Prosser 3rd, Williams dumped

August 20th, 2014 at 6:59 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

NZ First MP is set to be dumped to a seemingly unelectable position on the party list, and former MP is set to rejoin the party ahead of the general election. 

Stuff understands a draft copy of the NZ First list, determined by the party’s selection committee last weekend, has Williams ranked at 13 and Mark at 9.

The draft list is understood to have MP ranked at No 3.

Prosser became infamous in 2013 for writing in his regular column in Investigate magazine, that all young Muslim men – or those who “look” Muslim – should be barred from flying on Western airlines. The rights of New Zealanders were being “denigrated by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan”, Prosser wrote. He later apologised for the comments.

The guy who said the most racist thing in the last three years is rewarded with the No 3 spot? Only in NZ First.

I also can’t understand why Williams would be ranked so low, at 13.

While Williams did some silly stuff as Mayor of North Shore, my observation of him as an MP is that he has generally been quite sound and hard working. He hasn’t generated anywhere near the negative headlines of MPs such as Prosser and Lole-Taylor yet he is the one dumped. This is very weird.

Williams said his ranking on the list came as “a bolt out of the blue”.

“I think most people would agree around Parliament I’ve been a pretty able MP,” he said.

“I’ve performed for the party, I’ve done a lot of hard work for the party and I’ve represented the party as well as I could.”

The ranking was no reflection of his ability or contribution, but attributable to internal party politics, Williams said.

“I’ve had the most portfolios of any MP. I’ve had 11, plus I’ve been an associate to Winston on foreign affairs, trade, SOEs and finance,” he said.

“So I’ve had a very heavy workload, and the portfolios I’ve had have been pretty solid ones, like local government, veterans’ affairs, conservation, environment, energy; all of which I’ve been solidly batting on.”

Williams said he would like to know what the selection committee’s criteria were for selecting the top 10 candidates for the party.

He had sought an explanation for the drop but had not received a response.

I think he has been hard done by.

The return of Ron Mark at No 9 is interesting. They’ll need to lift their vote slightly to get him in, but if they do, then they may have a potential sucessor to Peters.

UPDATE: Have spoken to someone close to NZ First and they say that the sole criteria for list ranking is total devotion and loyalty to Winston, so in that context the list makes sense!

They also made the point that while Ron Mark has some relationships with people in National, he is also very close to someone in Mana, and his inclusion should not signal they’ll go with National, but equally be used to form a Labour-Greens-NZ First-Mana-Internet Government.

Tags: , , ,

35 Responses to “Prosser 3rd, Williams dumped”

  1. Brian Smaller (4,013 comments) says:

    Now Williams knows how a tree feels.

    Vote: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  2. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    This looks bizarre.

    But Winston Peters is involved. Williams probably tried to have a voice in the party. A bit like Brendan Horan. Have ambition, get dumped.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2 You need to be logged in to vote
  3. duggledog (1,528 comments) says:

    That tells you all you need to know about the NZ First campaign, Prosser in 3rd. I guess they will use him for his one trick profile to get over the line. It’ll work though. Young Muslim are a problem, ask an Australian or a Pom or a Frenchie.

    After the election if they get in to Parliament Prosser will go down the ladder and Mark will go up.

    Vote: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  4. Other_Andy (2,612 comments) says:

    “The guy who said the most racist thing……”

    Whatever you think of what he said.
    Agree or disagree.
    Don’t call it racist.
    No matter how you spin it, Muslim is not a race.

    [DPF: If he had just said Muslim, I agree. But when he said anyone who looks like a Muslim, then I think that is referring to race]

    Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 6 You need to be logged in to vote
  5. Ancient Dan (46 comments) says:

    I’ll go with Pete George – Williams showed some promise, fatal in that outfit.
    Ron Marks should be number 3 not Prosser.
    It has all the look of the scaredy cat King syndrome

    Vote: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  6. greenjacket (459 comments) says:

    And the absurd Asenati Lole-Taylor remains on the list? To be sure, a lot of MPs from all parties are pretty useless or muddleheaded. But Asenati Lole-Taylor is on a whole new level of ridiculous. Only in Winston First.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  7. Redbaiter (8,551 comments) says:

    “The guy who said the most racist thing in the last three years is rewarded with the No 3 spot? Only in NZ First.”

    How can we see any difference betwen Labour and National when you both play the race card at the drop of a hat?

    Other_Andy is right. Muslims are not a race, they are a religious group.

    The issue is culture, and the questions that need to be asked are not about race but about what happens when you mix cultures.

    Is our traditional culture worth anything on its own?

    Is our traditional culture improved by being diluted by a sub-culture?

    This is the discussion. Talking about race on every damn occasion is just divisive Marxist BS and just reinforces the impression that the people in charge at National are little different in their political and social viewpoints to the people in charge at Labour.

    Both groups just the same unthinking & brainwashed PC whitebait who have just graduated from the Progressive induction process that masquerades as education in this country.

    Vote: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 4 You need to be logged in to vote
  8. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    The issue is culture, and the questions that need to be asked are not about race but about what happens when you mix cultures.

    Is our traditional culture worth anything on its own?

    What happens is you get countries like New Zealand. And just about every other country in the world.

    My extended family is a blend of English, Maori, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, West Indian negro, American Indian, German and Italian that I know of. Predominately New Zealand. I have grand children born in New Zealand, Australia and Switzerland.

    What happens when you mix culture? You get normal.

    What is our ‘traditional culture? Which one? Rural South Island? East Coast? Metropolitan Auckland (which is a real mix of cultures anyway)?

    Vote: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 6 You need to be logged in to vote
  9. Simon (698 comments) says:

    Will National rule out Prosser from having a ministerial position?

    Doubt it John Key it has been shown over the last week has a weak character.

    Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 9 You need to be logged in to vote
  10. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    DPF:
    The guy who said the most racist thing in the last three years is rewarded with the No 3 spot? Only in NZ First.

    White mother fucker…? :-P

    Vote: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  11. Changeiscoming (184 comments) says:

    Is this a Winston decision or a NZFirst board decision?

    Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  12. Mobile Michael (446 comments) says:

    Don’t be silly, Changeiscoming. Every decision in NZ First is a Winston decision. Everyone kowtows to him. The right word in the right ear and its done.

    In an ideal world, Winston gets 4.5% and an early retirement.

    Vote: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  13. tvb (4,364 comments) says:

    I saw a report that had Mark at no 3. But in the end it is in the mind of Winston. It is his play book. The party will die once Winston moves on. All that heavy smoking drinking and late nights must be taking their toll. He seems indestructible. And no exercise as well. Something has to give soon.

    Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  14. OneTrack (3,023 comments) says:

    Pete – “What happens when you mix culture? You get normal.”

    I am not sure some of the Brits or the French are overly happy with their new “normal”.

    Vote: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  15. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    @ pete George
    (Radio NZ interview)
    Dunne got shown around London by Rothmans, someone got 100 Q for (something) but Dung says nothing to see. He doesn’t know why they would want to show him around London (he forgets how he made noises on their behalf).

    “A bit like Brendan Horan”
    Emphasis on “bit”

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 3 You need to be logged in to vote
  16. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    No worries. NZ first won’t make the 5%.

    Vote: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 3 You need to be logged in to vote
  17. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    NZ First is a protest vote party.
    National’s drive to increase the population is to feed the construction center “whether it is good for the economy or not” Stuff you rest of NZ.

    Meanwhile Trendy Lefty

    Fantastic piece. Thanks so much.
    Vancouver’s experience is probably like Canada’s on the whole. Trudeau brought in multiculturalism by federal directive in the 70s (“Although there are two founding peoples there is no founding culture…” and that mirrored Laurier before him…) Then in 1982, multiculturalism was enshrined in the Charter. Then in the mid-80s a Conservative PM enacted the “Multiculturalism Act”.
    Now in Canada’s large cities it’s somewhat amusing to hear people speaking English. Fourth generation Canadians are seen as an amusing relic. Do you eat roasts? Do your parents wear sweaters to dinner and talk about classical music, ha ha ha?
    The reality is that in NZ, the hegemony of Anglo Saxon culture refuses to die. The Interfaith dialogue was a fantastic example of that. Also, we never had (much) immigration from Central, Eastern or Southern Europe. We still treat South Africans and Pomps as “one of us”.

    http://publicaddress.net/speaker/what-diversity-dividend/

    Party Vote Sir Winston Peters.

    Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 4 You need to be logged in to vote
  18. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Ron Mark – he would be more successful with National – he is with the wrong Party.
    Winston will not have any competition whatsoever.
    Prosser is aptly name as Tosser.

    Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  19. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    Mr China No More
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/mr-china-no-more-clive-palmer-out-of-luck-again-20140819-105yhb.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-blasts-china-on-qa-20140819-3dx15.html

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  20. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    All this claiming xenophobia and racism re China from the left reminds me (possibly) of Chamberlain pre WW2. What if we look back in 30 or 40 years and we are really full of Chinese and under China’s thumb? Does our useless greedy government give a toss?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 4 You need to be logged in to vote
  21. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    Party Vote Sir Winston Peters.

    Sir Bob Jone$
    Dame Jenny Shitley (China Girl)?

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 5 You need to be logged in to vote
  22. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    hj – I don’t know if it’s intentional or not but you have falsely associated a radio interview (presumably from last Friday) with something totally unrelated to me and looks like it’s from last century.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  23. Other_Andy (2,612 comments) says:

    [DPF: If he had just said Muslim, I agree. But when he said anyone who looks like a Muslim, then I think that is referring to race]

    Sigh…
    That’s what you get when you are so focused on race.
    “Looks like a Muslim” couldn’t possibly refer to Islamic dress and distinctive facial hair (fiṭrah)?

    That is how I recognize a Muslim.
    I have no idea what the “Muslim race” looks like.

    If I said that somebody looked Amish or like a Brethren, would that be racist too?

    Vote: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  24. polemic (460 comments) says:

    The Peters party is anti anyone that doesnt support its only policy plank.

    It is not known as the “Winston First Party” for no reason!!!! It has been well rehearsed and drummed into its limp sycophants, who worship his Lordship Winnie!!

    It never has been NZ First

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  25. ChardonnayGuy (1,199 comments) says:

    OMG. So sycophancy to his Winstonicity is the litmus test for NZF List status? Shades of Muldoon era National and Labour’s Mad Mike personality cult in the early nineties. This does not bode well. True, Ron Mark is sensible, but this probably means that the toxic and gaffe-prone Asenati Lole-Taylor is up in the list ratings as well…

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  26. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    @winstonpeters

    New Zealand First’s list will be announced imminently. Any talk outside of this is pure speculation

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  27. Chris2 (762 comments) says:

    After his disgraceful behaviour as Mayor of North Shore City, and his subsequent failure to be elected to the Auckland Council, Williams should never have even been selected by NZ First anyway..

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  28. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Yes question the Leader and don’t kiss his boots then down the list you go.

    Whats worse is try and suggest to the old fart why he would be better off doing/saying ……..and taking this position on the policy plank …………

    then Hey Presto down the list you go even further – “Mark” my word

    As for Ron Mark he is a “has been” anyway

    Long Live “The Winston First Party”

    Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  29. Unity (530 comments) says:

    Very interesting and also perplexing. I would have thought Ron Mark would be higher up the list and I also thought Williams was doing a reasonable job. He’s come across as very able, the few times I’ve heard him speak. I wonder if Prosser is being groomed as the next leader? Actually in spite of what’s been said above, I’ve actually heard Prosser speak and thought he was also very able and competent. I also enjoyed his column when he used to write for the Investigate Magazine. I actually agreed with most of what he said about the Muslim menace. This country would do well not to allow them to settle here. Other English speaking countries are now suffering for it and the potential threat to their way of life s not looking very good.

    Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 2 You need to be logged in to vote
  30. deadrightkev (441 comments) says:

    I’m hoping that the NZF 4.6% polling sticks right through to the election night.

    Winston is a loser delivering loser policy.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  31. Shazzadude (526 comments) says:

    Wairarapa will be an interesting contest.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  32. Boris Piscina (51 comments) says:

    Just a thought; ask yourself this question, and answer it honestly. If the Arab world didn’t have any oil, would the civilised world give it the time of day let alone tolerate its repugnant abuses of ordinary human rights?

    And further to that, if the Arab world didn’t have any oil, would the rest of the Muslim world have any money to buy weapons and bombs and stuff?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  33. Unity (530 comments) says:

    Oil is the driver, Boris, for much that is going on in the world especially as far as the US is concerned. If oil wasn’t there, they wouldn’t have interferred in so many places. Also as you asked, if the Arab world didn’t have any oil, the Muslims wouldn’t be nearly so powerful and armed to the teeth. In fact they wouldn’t have the ability to try and annihilate the world so they could be dominant which is their current stated aim and why we should be very careful who we let into country.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  34. ChardonnayGuy (1,199 comments) says:

    Oh well, His Winstonicity got it half right. Tosser’s still there, but apparently Asenati Lole-Taylor is seventeenth on the NZF party list! To paraphrase Elizabeth I, I’m not sure if this is the Lord’s doing or not, but it is marvellous in mine eyes! No more ridiculous histrionics about street sex work! No more toxic twitterings about Chinese immigrants! No more bizarre ideas about the Reserve Bank! Now, if only we could (a) get rid of NZF altogether, permanently; (b) insure that the Con Party doesn’t get into Parliament either; and (c) hope Ian Wishart decides to move to Queensland, closing down Investigrunt, I would be a very happy man.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 3 You need to be logged in to vote
  35. deadrightkev (441 comments) says:

    Williams, Prosser, Lole-Taylor and Peters are all awful MP’s.

    You are starting from a very low level as your standard DPF.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.