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June 26, 2006 4:56am by David Farrar

Bob the Builder profile

The NZ Herald has a profile of the MP for Tauranga, which is a good read.

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Oswald Bastable

That’s the sort of chap we need more of- people who have actually done real work and made a success of themselves.

Ditch the current collection of queers, steers and schoolteachers!
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June 26, 2006 6:03am
brian_smaller

Having someone in government who actually knows how the real world works? Wash your mouth out Oswald!
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June 26, 2006 8:47am
Redbaiter

Bob’s main issue seems to be his reluctance to lie. Can’t see him lasting.
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June 26, 2006 9:22am
Cadmus

The Dithering old fool (Clarkson) is well due for retirement. I can see he would make a good neighbour for old Digger Don in Q-land.

I liked this piece from Clarkson the so called

Actually his real private member’s bill submitted for the ballot would allow …..

“New Zealanders to build their own homes, licensed or unlicensed.”

Now this comes from the National Partie associate housing, building and construction spokesman ( Clarkson) Looking into the leaky homes debarkel??
??
Heck the National Party must be desperate for spokespeople, at least they only gave the old codger Clarkson the “associates” role.
Clarkson has proved just what a real joke he is! Bob Parliament can only have one clown and I’m afraid Rodney Hide has that job! retire Bob before the guys in white coats come to pick you up!
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June 26, 2006 11:58am
Dirty Rat

Some of us who werent fooled by his ‘homely, family guy’ image werent fooled into voting for him. We predicted that he was just there for his ‘peoples friend’ vote to oust Winston and once elected, relegated to tea making duties for three years. “Yes, Bob, Im sure that would work” would be the most common responce to his ideas.
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June 26, 2006 12:25pm
James

Still sore over Winnie getting turfed out by the long suffering suckers in Tauranga who were lied to by him time after time Cadmus?…awww poor baby! ba da bing! ;-0
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June 26, 2006 12:30pm
Cadmus

No James, Clarkson is only there as the National Party Tea Boy, he will be as much use as a used teabag to National come next election! In other words Clarkson a.. One Term Wonder!
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June 26, 2006 1:31pm
sonic

Just what we need another multi-millionaire property developer sorry I mean ordinary man of the people.
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June 26, 2006 1:52pm
tim barclay

There you go again. Bob will win the seat handsdomly. The only niggle is a possible deal with Labour about standing a candidate. But Tauranga is blue ribbon National and Bob I predict will have a 10,000+ vote majority in 2008.
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June 26, 2006 2:18pm
pundito

poor old cadmus, the fact bob has positively affects more lives in 1 week than you will ever really grates doesn’t it? Winnie’s long gone, and will never regain tauranga, let alone break 5%. The real question will be which poodle will you be supporting in 2009?
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June 26, 2006 3:22pm
sonic

“bob has positively affects more lives in 1 week than you will ever really

Well known fact about property developers that is, all they live for is to do good for others!
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June 26, 2006 4:07pm
George

Don Brash has called him a rough diamond. I forget the specifics, but wasn’t he rather prone to talk about his genitals?
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June 26, 2006 5:37pm
McPhee

Im a bit surprised that Bob sees his ideal job as a parliamentary under secretary scruitinising construction tenders?
That sort of thing went out with Muldoon, as famously Piggy or his cronies would just find some feature to delete, which would have to be put back in 15 years later at a cost equivalent to the original job.
Bob doesnt seem to realise that Ministers have very little operational control over departments and none whatso ever over construction contracts.

Having said that, I hope Bob really crushes some nuts over the cost of new prisons. The costs of them are a total scandal. When a 5 star hotel in the centre of Auckland with 450 rooms can sell for $96 million ( I presume without the land underneath) but a new womens prison way out in Wiri can cost $190 million. And this is a low rise low security place. The cost of other prisons is even worse and those are in rural locations. For $190 million I would have thought we could have got a 2500 cell building to replace Mt Eden.
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June 26, 2006 6:32pm
David Farrar

Sonic – well as Bob over turned a 10,000 majority for Peters I guess a lot of voters feel he has done a lot of good for others.
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June 26, 2006 6:47pm
brian_smaller

Sonic said “Well known fact about property developers that is, all they live for is to do good for others!”

Why the jealousy Sonic? I imagine the only thing that you have ever risked is wrist strain. People like you always put down people who have made money. People who have risked everything they own to make that money in the first place. Voters like Clarkson because he took risks and made himself a bundle, was not born with a spoon in his mouth and doesn’t spend his life encumbered by the ideological baggage the prevents you socialists from making anything.
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June 26, 2006 7:00pm
toms

Clarkson is simply proof that in the provinces, the local lord can get elected by adusing their semi-feudal powers to purchase the result. Along with Chris Tremain, Clarkson has purchased a seat to play at politics.

The National Party appears to welcome the return of rigged elections and feudal nobles buying their seats.

The party of the snobbish, anal and dreary tory squatocracy has moved on to become the party of the crass, sexist and boorish railroad barons.
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June 26, 2006 11:17pm
tim barclay

Good old TomS full of his old Labour prejudices. The only seat buying goes on in the Labour Party with Union officials pressurising their members to vote Labour and they take money out of their pay packets and “donate” that money to the Labour Party. And them makes them members of the Labour Party and “vote” on their behalf by way of card votes at Labour Party conferences and selection committees for their candidates.
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June 27, 2006 7:23am
Graham Miller

Well, by TomS
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June 27, 2006 8:02am
sonic

Looks like national has got it’s demographic sorted for the next election, lets all help the rich!

Some people never learn that in democracy the rich only get the one vote same as the poor, and there are a lot more of us.

Remember last election? more to come.

xxx

S
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June 27, 2006 8:26am
Cadmus

Your right Sonic. The game Brash/Hide were playing was we are for the average NZer, which the people worked out was a crook of Cr*p. I doubt Brash won’t be around to much longer and a swing back to the middle will take place, National/ACT used the divide and rule using the Maori as a football, but this backfired! They also tried bash the beneficary, trouble is a working person no matter your status could also end up on a benefit through no fault of their own. BTW I’m “not” on a benefit either!
This also backfired. National know they have no policy other than divide and rule. They tried and failed. I doubt they will follow that path next election. I also believe with common sence Policy Labour & others could still be in power after the next election.
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June 27, 2006 9:14am
david

Bob gave away most of his wealth when he donated the Stadium to the people of Tauranga and the Mount. He is an outstanding philanthropist and is in sharp contrast to mealy mouth dicks like sonic and TomS.He is very down to earth and when building something always gets his hands real dirty working with his crew. In other words he is everything Labour is not, and that is , a man of the people, for the people.He will be their MP for a long time.
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June 27, 2006 9:17am
John

Sonic Said: “Some people never learn that in democracy the rich only get the one vote same as the poor, and there are a lot more of us.”

You’re right Sonic there are a lot more poor than there are rich in this country and unfortunatley its growing.

Just look around South Auckland (Where I live). The general lives of those in this area isn’t getting better despite all the welfare payments.

Kids are still being sent off to school without breakfast, shoes and the basics. The Adults are no longer sitting around their homes during the day on an unemployment benefit but are instead now sitting around their homes on a sickness benefit. And whats labours answer pour more benefits into the area such as working for families.

I’m not going to say National (or any other party) has the answer to this issue as lets be honest the ‘South Auckland’ syndrome has been in place at least the last 30 years (my lifetime) but as a labour stronghold and former home of a Labour PM you would think that they would be able make some sort of an improvement wouldn’t you?
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June 27, 2006 9:34am
sonic

“Bob gave away most of his wealth when he donated the Stadium to the people of Tauranga and the Mount”

Got any figures on that?

BTW John, totally agree. Poverty is the silent issue in NZ politics as everyone runs towards the center.
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June 27, 2006 10:01am
brian_smaller

“Got any figures on that?”

I haven’t, but the stadium sits on what used to be Ted Lett’s old chicken farm where I worked when I was at Mount College along with some school mates. I am sure that Ted didn’t give the land away.
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June 27, 2006 10:58am
david

“got any figures on that?” Yes. And when you disclose your real name and address, occupation, what you own and what you owe, then maybe I will share them.
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June 27, 2006 12:05pm
sonic

Shorter David

Got any figures on that?

No.
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June 27, 2006 12:11pm
Graham Miller

Sonic: see http://www.national.org.nz/Bio.aspx?Id=48 for the following statement:
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June 27, 2006 12:47pm
sonic

The statement at question is this

“Bob gave away most of his wealth when he donated the Stadium to the people of Tauranga and the Mount””

Not who I am, who who gave someone what award when or how much my cat gave to charity last week.

So Mr Miller to you wish to back up David’s claim, or are you just throwing mud to save him from embarrasment?

If you do not wish to answer just throw out more ad hominem chaff and we will be able to take that as an admission that Bobby did not “give away most of his wealth”

xxx

S
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June 27, 2006 12:55pm
Graham Miller

Further to my previous contribution, and since Sonic may be incapable of navigating to the National Party website, see: the reference to “Robert Moncrieff CLARKSON, of Tauranga. For services to philanthropy” at http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/honours/lists/list.asp?id=8
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June 27, 2006 12:58pm
Graham Miller

Sonic
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June 27, 2006 1:13pm
sonic

“would have thought it was obvious from my contribution that I have *no specific knowledge* of Bob Clarkson
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June 27, 2006 1:23pm
gd

Graham Miller Dont tell anyone but the Socilaists think that any honours receiptiants who arent “one of them” has “bought” their award.They also all suffer from ‘small willie syndrome” But as I said Dont tell anyone
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June 27, 2006 1:33pm
david

sonic, Just what is about “yes” you dont understand?
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June 27, 2006 1:33pm
sonic

“sonic, Just what is about “yes” you dont understand?”

Well I’d have to say that I fail to understand how it is an acceptable answer to the question

“Bob gave away most of his wealth when he donated the Stadium to the people of Tauranga and the Mount”

Got any figures on that?”

Don’t worry mate it’s obvious you were just making it up, happens to the best of us, just let it be a lesson.
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June 27, 2006 1:39pm
Graham Miller

Sonic wrote: “Well thats ok then, thanks for your honesty, apology accepted”. Feeling smug behind the keyboard are we, Sonic? Please do explain how you extracted an apology from the midst of my detailed explanation of why your piddly “debate” is a pointless exercise in socialist jealousy. Others can read my posts and judge for themselves, as gd has clearly done, whether I had anything worthwhile to contribute.
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June 27, 2006 1:43pm
sonic

I’m sure they can Graham, I’m sure they can.

After all I did the evil, jealous, socialist thing of asking someone to back up an assertion with a fact or two.

Not proper Conservative behaviour at all, next time I’ll just take my better’s word for it like a good little hedgehog.

xxx

S
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June 27, 2006 1:50pm
david

sonic, let me type slowly so you are clear. You asked if I have figures, well yes I do. But that doesnt mean I will share them with you. The figures dont change the fact he gave them a stadium.
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June 27, 2006 1:55pm
sonic

I last recall hearing that line of debate in the school playground David, thank you for sparking off such nostalgic memories.

You know what though, and you will laugh, see the little kid who claimed he had the proof but would not show us it, turned out he was just making it all up!

Hard to believe I know.
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June 27, 2006 1:59pm
david

Now now sonic, stop behaving like a spoiled child who cant get his way. Playground indeed. .
A question for you: How much do you think the stadium is worth?$5 million? $17 Million? Is that a lot to give away? You know very well that if you wanted to, you could refer to the MPs declaration as to their assets. Do some work and figure it out for yourself instead of whining all the time when others let you remain ignorant.And still a dick.
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June 27, 2006 2:21pm
sonic

And people say the right-wing don’t know how to debate!

Lets keep going then David, why should I do any work when you have all the facts to hand to prove your ludicrous claim.

Oh I forgot, you refuse to tell us as you are letting me remain ignorant as a punishment….

Forget playground, this is Kindy level.
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June 27, 2006 2:38pm
david

sonic says “why should I do any work”. Sums it up really.Too lazy to think.Well Bob did do some work. A lifetime of work. Then he gifted the fruit of his efforts away and it is churlish to disparage his generosity with the mealy mouth politics of envy you subscribe to.
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June 27, 2006 3:05pm
david

sonic,here , let me help you. I’m starting to feel sorry for you.
1. What is the stadium worth?
2. What is the value of Bobs assets on his declaration?
3. If 1 is a lot more than 2, then isnt that “most of his wealth” like I say.
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June 27, 2006 3:16pm
weizguy

Come on then David, quantify it then. How much is Bob the Builder’s personal fortune worth? How much of it did he give away as part of the stadium? How much was it worth before?

Surely you don’t think you can get away with making a claim with absolutely zero supporting evidence…?
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June 27, 2006 3:24pm
sonic

You have to admire David’s whole new line in logical argument. He makes a stupid statement then demands that someone else prove it for him.

Truly one could not make it up.

I wonder how he got on at school.

Q What were the origins of WW1?

A I know but I am not going to tell you as you are far to lazy to work it out for yourself!

This boy will go far.
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June 27, 2006 3:31pm
weizguy

Here are Bob the Builder’s declared assets:

Bob CLARKSON (National, Tauranga)
1 Company directorships and controlling interests
Baypark Speedway Limited
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June 27, 2006 3:42pm
tim barclay

You never see any leftie type giving away wealth, ever. Look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffet giving away billions. That kind of philanthropy is beyond the comprehension of any leftie.
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June 27, 2006 3:51pm
david

Well done weizguy.Remember he gave it away a while ago(2002?) and since then has completed several developments to rebuild his wealth. Not absolutley sure what the stadium would be worth but have heard 17 million mentioned. Youd need a lot of property assets (a house in Morrinsville? and that koru club membership is worth a fortune..) to get past 17 mio.
See sonic, not too hard if youre prepared to try.
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June 27, 2006 3:59pm
sonic

“[I] have heard 17 million mentioned”

You know some people would call that speculation and hearsay.

Got a value on-7 Superannuation schemes, Baypark Speedway Limited
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June 27, 2006 4:04pm
david

Sonic, I’ll leave this debate with snippets of others comments. Mark “sonic doesnt get it, not too many brain cells floating around in there I would say”, Psycho Milt “indeed, how foolish and lacking in brain cells that sonic must be” and my favourite from that font of wisdom Insolent Prick “you’re a fuckwit sonic”
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June 28, 2006 10:11am
sonic

Smart move David, get back to us if you ever find any evidence that your silly claim is true

xxx

Sonic-1 David-0
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June 28, 2006 11:27am
weizguy

david

Not really worried about the real property – more the trusts, and directorships…

Speedways and construction companies… Did he develop those after the stadium did he?

Face it, you said something that you hadn’t thought through.
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June 28, 2006 12:00pm
brian_smaller

Clarkson himself reckoned that the cost of the stadium consents was just under a million dollars. Most of that would have been before a spade went into the ground. Whether Clarkson gave 10%, 50% or 90% of his wealth is irrelevent. He did, in effect, give away a substantial amount of money for a facility that the locals love. Sonic – how much, as a percentage, of your income do you give? Would it get you an award for philanthropy? If you live in Wellington I would like to meet you, if for nothing else to confirm the mental picture I have of you – a miserable, arrogant little twat. And that was meant as a personal attack.
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June 28, 2006 1:00pm
david

weizguy,The stadium is the speedway.A construction company is a trading entity, only as good as current contracts held. I guess I’m in the position where while I have good information I will not disclose the source to prove it. Over to you if you believe me or not.Whether I thought it through or not doesnt change the fact that what he gave away is worth a great deal of money. And he is a hell of a guy for doing it.Partisanship aside, you have to admire him for it.
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June 28, 2006 1:01pm
sonic

“Whether Clarkson gave 10%, 50% or 90% of his wealth is irrelevent”

Except of course when someone says that he gave away most of his wealth, then it does become relevent.

“If you live in Wellington I would like to meet you’

I am flattered but, sorry, it’s a policy of mine not to date people I’ve met online. There are probably other sites were you could have more success hooking up.
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June 28, 2006 1:07pm
weizguy

Seeing as I think your hypothesis is an unlikely one, and since you seem to be speculating wildly, I’m unlikely to take your word for it – especially seeing as you appear to be retreating from your original position:

“Whether I thought it through or not doesnt change the fact that what he gave away is worth a great deal of money.”

You don’t want to identify the source? At this stage i’d settle for the evidence.

I’m happy to accept that he gave a lot of money away, and I respect him for that. My problem is with your attempt to pass off hyperbole as fact.

The best thing that Clarkson’s election will do for NZ is the evaluation of the current electoral spending laws, which enabled him to procure services at far less than market rates.
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June 28, 2006 2:44pm
llew

“I forget the specifics, but wasn’t he rather prone to talk about his genitals?”

Something about his left testicle, and rumour has it he also clutched his groin in front of a female reporter. But hey, at least he didn’t clutch the reporter’s groin, and maybe, just maybe, he was doing Michael Jackson’s Beat it at Karaoke?

“Clarkson is simply proof that in the provinces, the local lord can get elected by adusing their semi-feudal powers to purchase the result.”

I really think Winston lost the election rather than Clarkson won it in his own right. Pretty much anyone could have stood against Winston & won.

“You never see any leftie type giving away wealth, ever. Look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffet giving away billions. That kind of philanthropy is beyond the comprehension of any leftie.”

Pretty fatuous comment there chum. The unqualified shouldn’t really comment on anyone’s comrehension surely? But how about Bono? Actually, I always assumed Gates was a leftie. Is he not?
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