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March 13, 2007 2:56pm by David Farrar

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Craig Ranapia

But don’t forget the Hoe has America’s first black president on the road for her. 🙂
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March 13, 2007 5:45pm
Ruth

This isn’t funny David – I thought you were a better than this misogynistic garbage.
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March 13, 2007 6:24pm
phil u

um..bros was a really shocking band…

and ‘hoes’ plough fields..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 13, 2007 6:32pm
tim barclay

My money is on Hilary even though I think she is a turbo charged Helen Clark. At the moment Obama is campaigning in states that have a big black constituency but Hilary is in the race. The game will change soon. Of course I think they will both be on the ticket it is just a matter of which way around. But if one accepts the first law of politics that the warm politician (Obama) drives out the cold polician (Hilary) then Obama will get the nomination.
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March 13, 2007 7:10pm
sonic

Note to self, remember this post the next time Mr F pulls fake moral outrage at “personal attacks” on a National party member.
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March 13, 2007 7:31pm
Seamonkey Madness

“And in breaking news, the fun police have raided the comments section of Kiwiblog.”

Both of you obviously didn’t see the ‘humour’ tag.
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March 13, 2007 7:49pm
dad4justice

Its the money or the hag ? No thanks I take the bro .
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March 13, 2007 8:22pm
side show bob

Will Hilary be Obama’s bitch if he wins and she comes in second?
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March 13, 2007 8:30pm
Pip

Don’t worry about it. We all know the term is used by men who feel threatened at the fact that their friends have lives and girlfriends.

Ho ho. Nothing to see but some fratboy bonding.
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March 13, 2007 9:17pm
Porcupine

Oh please let it be Hilary vs Arnie so that politics can finally be exposed for the sick joke it is!
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March 13, 2007 10:21pm
David Farrar

Good God I can’t believe how serious some people are taking this. I suspect Mrs Clinton herself probably laughed when she saw it.

I actually think Clinton is a better qualified candidate than Obama for President, so Sonic’s pathetic nonsense about this being a personal attack is just that.

And Pip please lay off your self appointed role of psychiatrist. I doubt I have ever used ther term in my life. There’s a difference between using a term and laughing at a cartoon which uses it.
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March 13, 2007 10:46pm
Chris

Of course the thing about US primaries is that they are anything but predictable. Frontrunners going into the primaries often fall within the first few weeks, although this time around given the sums of money involved, it’s hard to see where a surprise challenge of the sort Bill Clinton pulled off in 92 could come from? A last minute entry by Al Gore perhaps?
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March 13, 2007 10:59pm
Craig Ranapia

Ruth:

If you want to talk about “misogynistic garbage”, wouldn’t it be nice if some of the media spotlight would be turned on her actual policies and track record as the junior senator from New York? I figured out years ago that Hilary Clinton is a woman – perhaps the MSM could too and move on.

Don’t you find it just a little patronising that we’ve got to be constantly reminded that Senator Clinton is (shock!) a woman, and Senator Obama is (horror!) black.
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March 14, 2007 2:33am
ZenTiger

And John Edwards?
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March 14, 2007 3:21am
Craig Ranapia

Oh my God, this is the man who’s ouraged by being ‘smeared’ by Ann Coulter – but apparently not enough to use it as a fundraising tool. I think that says all that needs to be said about Mr. Edwards.
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March 14, 2007 4:00am
ChickenLittle

Hmmmm – What do Ruth,Sonic and Pip all have in common?

I think it is best left unsaid but……..
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March 14, 2007 6:59am
Danyl Mclauchlan

Good God I can’t believe how serious some people are taking this. I suspect Mrs Clinton herself probably laughed when she saw it.

I’d be interested to hear you (or anyone) explain why the tee-shirt is funny. I genuinely don’t get it.
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March 14, 2007 7:34am
Adolf Fiinkensein

I think I can figure out ‘Bros’ but will someone a little closer to contemporary culture fill me in on ‘hoes’?
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March 14, 2007 8:10am
Danyl Mclauchlan

I think I can figure out ‘Bros’ but will someone a little closer to contemporary culture fill me in on ‘hoes’?

Just google the term – it’s totally work safe.
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March 14, 2007 8:26am
David Farrar

Chris – in 1992 there was no clear front runners – a very wide field. For 08 hard to see how it won’t be two of the big five (or six if Gore runs).

Danyl – if one has to explain humour, then it’s too late. I see it actually as a parody of african american culture (yes in fact Obama not Clinton has more right to be offended) which to varying degree uses both the bro and the hoe word.
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March 14, 2007 9:39am
lyndon

I see it actually as a parody of african american culture (yes in fact Obama not Clinton has more right to be offended) which to varying degree uses both the bro and the hoe word.

I don’t. Oh, maybe… almost. Does that make it better?

Okay, now I can thinks it’s funny for seconds at a time. But priceless? This is my disappointment talking.

It did lead me to look on unbrandictionary and find people do really use the gardening-impliment spelling. I’m aware that in some people use the word as if they don’t think it’s offensive, but, I think that’s because they’re misogynists.

As a general note, being left cold by a joke because it perpetuates something you despise is not the same as no sense of humour. I am extremely secure in my sense of humour.
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March 14, 2007 10:37am
lyndon

Don’t get me wrong. I think Bros was a terrible band too.
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March 14, 2007 11:01am
NX

it’s actually as a parody of african american culture

Geeze Danyl, unless you’re recieving a pension you should known this.
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March 14, 2007 11:05am
tc

Its funny, “priceless” even, because an ex-senior member of the National party organisation who worked in the office of a NZ prime minister, is calling the wife of a US president and presidential candidate a whore.

It proves just how anti-American this country has become.

Maybe it shouldn’t be taken seriously, after all this wasn’t. Just a jolly jape, eh?
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March 14, 2007 11:07am
NX

^^ Twat. Watch MTV, buy an iPod, & drag yourself into the 21st century.
Bros before hoes is an expression like ‘the best thing since sliced bread’. It simply means putting your friends before your Mrs.
Don’t comment if you don’t understand.
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March 14, 2007 11:16am
Danyl Mclauchlan

DPFs et als delight at the tee-shirt (‘the dummiecrat candidates is a wimmin and a nigra, haw haw!’) is interesting in light of this essay by Gary Kamiya written in the wake of Ann Coulters latest ‘scandal’.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2007/03/13/coulter/

Money quote:

As should be amply clear by now, there is virtually nothing that Ann Coulter can do that will cause her to be cast out of the bosom of the American right. And even if she was to lose her head and cross a line that even she can’t cross — calling Obama a “nigger” is about the only thing that would do the trick — a thousand hissing Coulters would spring up to take her place.

For this isn’t really about Coulter at all. This is about a pact the American right made with the devil, a pact the devil is now coming to collect on. American conservatism sold its soul to the Coulters and Limbaughs of the world to gain power, and now that its ideology has been exposed as empty and its leadership incompetent and corrupt, free-floating hatred is the only thing it has to offer. The problem, for the GOP, is that this isn’t a winning political strategy anymore — but they’re stuck with it. They’re trapped. They need the bigoted and reactionary base they helped create, but the very fanaticism that made the True Believers such potent shock troops will prevent the Republicans from achieving Karl Rove’s dream of long-term GOP domination.
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March 14, 2007 11:19am
NX

Danyl – you obviously don’t understand this modern lingo. Perhaps you should go back to your cross stitch and butter churning & quit worrying about the world around you.

Oh, and by the way, your quote hardly describes Rudy Giuliani – a man who took part in a gay rights march, he must be hateful & soulless.
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March 14, 2007 11:34am
David Farrar

Oh dear more sensitive souls. Make sure you don’t see the latest Southpark episode where they use the word Nigger around 50 times. Quick go lock them up.

All humour is offensive to someone. And no humour is funny to everyone.
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March 14, 2007 11:57am
Pip

Sorry DPF, no psychologist here, I was just parodying fratboy culture.

Don’t take it so seriously, someone might suspect you of sensitivity.
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March 14, 2007 12:17pm
tc

“Oh dear more sensitive souls.”

The issue isn’t my sensitivity. I couldn’t give a rats. If you think that calling a president’s wife a whore is “priceless” all power to you.

The issue is your inability to eat your own dog tucker when it’s shoved back at ya.

NX – your gangsta roots are as impressive as they are irrelevant. As Freud might have said, sometimes a hoe is just a hoe.
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March 14, 2007 12:22pm
Craig Ranapia

Oh dear more sensitive souls. Make sure you don’t see the latest Southpark episode where they use the word Nigger around 50 times. Quick go lock them up.

And how many precious petals are boycotting Everybody Hates Chris – you know, the vaguely autobiographical sit-com created and co-produced by Chris Rock, whose stand-up routine once contained a rather notorious monologue with the *ahem* provocative title ‘Niggers vs. Black People’. I didn’t see him being blacklisted from any Democrat fundraisers.

The politics of humour is a rather funny beast – often more amusing than the comedy itself. Personally, I find Borat about as funny as a caustic soda enema – but it’s absolutely hilarious seeing people explain that it’s OK to laugh at gross racism, Jew-bating and homophobia because Sasha Baron-Coen is Jewish. South Park however is fascist bigoted trash.

Or we’ve got to be tolerant of the misogyny and queer-baiting in hip-hop culture, because it’s a response to back oppression by the forces of colonialism. (What that has to do with habitually trashing black women as gold-digging nymphos fit for little beyond giving head is beyond me, but never mind.) Country music, however, is sexist and enjoyed by too many ideologically unsound white people.
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March 14, 2007 12:26pm
David Farrar

TC – how intersting you refer to Mrs Clinton as the wife of a former president, rather than on her own achievements as a US Senator and leading presidential candidate. Wow you must be a sexist bigot.

And TC any moron can take something humourous, and without referencing it in the context of a joke, make it sound really bad. Of course this is intellectually dishonest to say I called her a whore, but that doesn’t stop you.

But hey go ahead. Quick e-mail all the media and tell them about this thread. I want them to be able to come in and laugh at how pathethic you are.
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March 14, 2007 12:40pm
Craig Ranapia

BTW, while Daryl cranks up the faux outrage around Coulter has anyone noticed the deafening silence about Isaiah Washington (the Grey’s Anatomy who really did check himself into ‘rehab’ after calling a fellow actor a ‘little faggot’ in an on-set argument) received an NAACP Image Award a few weeks back.

It looks like homophobia seems to be pretty acceptable at the heart of the black liberal establishment as well.
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March 14, 2007 12:48pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

Personally I think South Park, Chris Rock and Borat can defend themselves my using the ‘it’s just a joke’ defense on the excellent grounds that their material is, well, funny – even if I don’t agree with their politics. And if someone challenged me to explain WHY Borat is funny then I think I could effortlessly do so.

DPF seems somewhat less capable of explaining why it’s so hilarious to point out that Obama is black and to call Hilary a ho.

As regards humor in general, there’s a (pretty fucking obvious if you ask me) difference between comedians commenting on the issues of racism or sexuality and a political figure attacking their opponents using racial or sexual slurs.

As a hypothetical illustration, I wouldn’t have a problem with a political cartoonist showing Hilary as a hooker lining up a bunch of Johns who symbolise all the special interest groups the Dems have to pander to – this would be mildly amusing and make a point.
DPF’s ‘priceless’ tee-shirt doesn’t work on that level though – it’s message is simply that Hilary is a whore and Obama is a nigger. Bigotry simply doesn’t get any dumber.
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March 14, 2007 1:18pm
tc

DPF, I also referred to her as a presidential candidate.

Not sure how being First Lady for 8 years, and a very influencial one at that, is trivialising her achievements, but you said it. Is your hostility to Clinton and anti-American thing or is it just that you don’t like her politics? Can there be a difference between the two positions? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Still, you seem a tad touchy this far down in the thread. Can we be expecting one of your oblique retractions a la EBs soon?
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March 14, 2007 1:35pm
David Farrar

TC – I was just showing you how easy it is to accuse people of things, with no basis.

You also seem to have a lack of reading ability. You invent this notion of my hostility to Clinton. I don’t think I have ever expressed hostility to her. In fact I have said I believe she is more qualified than Obama for President. At this stage I even favour her over Edwards. So stop making things up.

And you also twist what you call my retraction on the EBs. I have never done anything with the EBs to retract.
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March 14, 2007 2:16pm
David Farrar

Danyl – I am not going to tolerate your assertions. Tough but this is my blog and you are no longer welcome. I will not allow anyone to effectively call me a bigot on my property.

Go set up your own blog and call me all the names you like.
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March 14, 2007 2:26pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

Danyl – I am not going to tolerate your assertions. Tough but this is my blog and you are no longer welcome. I will not allow anyone to effectively call me a bigot on my property.

Go set up your own blog and call me all the names you like.

It seems strange to me to post that picture and then throw a temper tantrum when people are offended by it, but as you say it’s your prerogative and I’ll no longer comment on your blog. It’s been fun.
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March 14, 2007 2:49pm
tc

Great DPF quotes of our time:

“I grew up as a competitive debater, and I tend to use debating type rhetoric in some of my posts…I am using hyperbole and partly taking the piss… This is what happens in competitive debating”

“Danyl – I am not going to tolerate your assertions. Tough but this is my blog and you are no longer welcome.”

Competitive debating is *so* much easier if you can shut out the competition.
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March 14, 2007 2:52pm
David Farrar

Danyl – I have not acted against anyone else who said they don’t like the picture, or are offended by it. That is their right. I have even debated TC at length on the issue.

But when you use it to portray me as a bigot motivated by political hatred to label CLinton a whore and Obama a nigger is so far beyond the pale, than you have crossed the line. You have no idea how offensive you are with that.

Good God I think it will be a good thing when the US has a female President and a black President.

Humour comes down to motivations. A Jewish joke told be a Jew to Jewish friends is for example different to the same joke told by a Nazi at a KKK meeting. Motivation is evrything when it comes to humour, and you attacked my motivation to paint me a bigot. You got the logicial response.
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March 14, 2007 3:08pm
sonic

Your blog and your call David, however you seem to be overeacting a bit.

Still as I said, your call.
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March 14, 2007 3:38pm
tc

Thing is, Danyl is probably the most reasoned and polite poster on this forum.

“A Jewish joke told be a Jew to Jewish friends is for example different to the same joke told by a Nazi at a KKK meeting.”

For sure. So in what manner did you qualify to run the “priceless…humour” tag on this one?
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March 14, 2007 4:04pm
David Farrar

I agree Danyl is generally one of the best posters. But you need to understand that I only blog because I enjoy it. No I don’t do it to secure global victory for the forces of right. Now when someone takes my sense of humour and uses it to paint me as a bigot, well that destroys all enjoyment for me. It makes me want to give up blogging. That is why one of the rules is to not to attack my motives (my reasoning, my facts etc are all fine).

As for how I qualify. Easy. I don’t hate/dislike Hillary or Barack Obama, let alone women or blacks generally. When I saw the t-shirt my visualisation was of a Democrat supporter of Obama wearing it as a joke.

It amazes me that anyone could think it is seriously calling Clinton a “Ho”. Bill Clinton maybe, but not Hillary!
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March 14, 2007 4:38pm
Dave

“A Jewish joke told be a Jew to Jewish friends is for example different to the same joke told by a Nazi at a KKK meeting.”

As a white guy telling jokes about women and blacks where do you sit in that analogy? Dumkopft!

Personally if I got that upset when someone called me a bigot I’d stop making jokes that made me look like a sexist racist asshole.
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March 14, 2007 4:44pm
Craig Ranapia

tc:

Oh, Daryl was being nothing of the kind – sorry, but I don’t have any sympathy for trolls, flamers and thread-jackers who play the victim when they get exactly what they’re after. I just wish David would do it more often – or at least someone come up with a bit of code where you could put the hardcore loons on some kind of ‘igonre’ list.
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March 14, 2007 4:48pm
Craig Ranapia

BTW, I’m MUCH more offended by the rather superficial mainstream media coverage of the already dumb-as-nails Democratic primary – which that T-shirt catches all too accurately, IMO. Then again, this is a country where a disturbingly large chunk of the population regards The Daily Show as a credible news source, so I understand why some folks wouldn’t see the joke when ‘news’ parodies itself with surreal ease.

And the Republican primary hasn’t even hit it’s stride yet… that looks like it’s going to be a horizontal shitstorm, and we’re all going to be suitably outraged when Giuliani and McCain get the piss taken out of them.
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March 14, 2007 5:01pm
NX

Danyl said “ I’ll no longer comment on your blog. ”

And good riddance.

The ‘bros before hoes’ expression is in the same vain as ‘pimped out’. Something that is pimped out has nothing to do with prostitution or sex for money, but rather that it’s been upgraded. Just as with ‘bros before hoes’ has nothing to do with race or sex-isms but rather putting you mates before your girlfriend.

I suggest you stuff your ears with cotton wool if your over reaction to this is anything to go by.

It seems strange to me to post that picture and then throw a temper tantrum when people are offended by it
What about people offended by your ‘off the scale’ almost unhinged response to the parody?
David has been fair and articulate in his replies yet you respond with the most vile and repugnant of charges.

There is an expression that ‘thoses who study evil become evil’. The same applies to Danyl and his racist & sexist accusations. To to be so quick off the mark to label David a racist & a sexist indicates his frame of mind & how he views the world. Basically Danyl’s accusations are a reflection of how he thinks.
Just like when Helen Clark called Dr. Brash cancer & corrosive said more about her.
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March 14, 2007 5:02pm
David Farrar

God so many idiots in the one day. I did not say that only Jews can make Jewish jokes. I said it is different to Nazis doing the same. Hell life would be boring if I could only make jokes about short white guys.

The point being made was motivation. And as I said this is the one place on the Internet where you do not get to question my motivation.
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March 14, 2007 5:04pm
sonic

“this is the one place on the Internet where you do not get to question my motivation.”

Hmm I wonder why you said that…..

😉
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March 14, 2007 5:06pm
tc

“No I don’t do it to secure global victory for the forces of right.”

Nicely put. And most people who read you understand what you are on about and where you stand, liberal, tolerant and neoconish. All perfectly valid positions. But then debating rhetoric takes over…and you start sounding like Ian Wishart or worse, so where do those that would respond in kind stand?

“It amazes me that anyone could think it is seriously calling Clinton a “Ho”.”

Given your sensitivity over the John Key cartoon you spoke about why is this amazing? The word appears in large letters under her bust. For me it is strange that you can get on your high horse over one issue and totally disregard peoples’ concerns in a similar situation. Not to at least recognise this seems, um (tries not to get banned), a little one eyed.

Craig – I suppose you persist in misnaming Danyl because you want to set yourself apart from “trolls, flamers and thread-jackers”.
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March 14, 2007 5:09pm
Craig Ranapia

Craig – I suppose you persist in misnaming Danyl because you want to set yourself apart from “trolls, flamers and thread-jackers”.

That’s really rather pathetic, tc. It’s amusing you’ve not engaged with anything substantive in my posts on this thread, but decided to weave some deadly insult out of the fact I carelessly left ONE LETTER out of Darryl’s Christian name! Regrettably careless, certainly – especially when I feel a twinge of irritation when my surname routinely gets mangled (and mispronounced, in person, come to that). But trying to inflate that into some hypocritical flame on my part – too funny.
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March 14, 2007 5:33pm
NX

tc said ““It amazes me that anyone could think it is seriously calling Clinton a “Ho”.”
Given your sensitivity over the John Key cartoon you spoke about why is this amazing? The word appears in large letters under her bust.”

What you fail to understand tc is that you’ve taken hoe out of context of the phrase. The phrase is not personally about Clinton or about Obama. It’s nothing to do with any of them at all. It’s a phrase rappers use in their songs – if you can call them songs.

The ‘joke’ being the unique situation where there is a woman and a black guy after the same job juxtapositions against a stupid phrase used in the streets – none of the elements are related. There is nothing sinister about it whatsoever.
Stop making it into something it’s not.
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March 14, 2007 5:39pm
tc

Craig

“I carelessly left ONE LETTER out of Darryl’s Christian name”

Heh, that was funny and I presume deliberately so.
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March 14, 2007 5:45pm
David Farrar

Sonic – heh now that is funny 🙂

TC – with the Trace Hodgson cartoon, I did not label it anti-semitic. I said some had found it that, and listed the pros and cons for whether it might be, and stated that in the end I couldn’t conclude if it was.

Now to compare to this, it would be like if Trace Hodgson had a blog, had that cartoon on his blog and I went to his blog and called Trace Hodgson a jew hating bigot.

And thank you to NZ for putting things in the right context. It isn’t about Clinton or Obama. It’s about taking a common saying, and using it in an different setting for humour value.
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March 14, 2007 5:48pm
barry

Why all the fuss over the years with the word Nigger. This was merely the southern states’ pronunciation of Negro, a word which I have used all my life [73yrs] and still do although some now seem to think negro is racist. We should be using African American, or just plain Black. What’s in a name?

Not much, as we now finally have evidence that dominant West African tribes played a major part in the negro slave trade, in concert with the Europeans.

Anyway how about the 2008 Republicans’ ticket — John McCain with Condy Rice as running mate!!
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March 14, 2007 9:34pm
barry

Why all the fuss over the years with the word Nigger. This was merely the southern states’ pronunciation of Negro, a word which I have used all my life [73yrs] and still do although some now seem to think negro is racist. We should be using African American, or just plain Black. What’s in a name?

Not much, as we now finally have evidence that dominant West African tribes played a major part in the negro slave trade, as well as the Europeans.

And how about the Republicans 2008 ticket — John McCain with Condy Rice as running mate!!
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March 14, 2007 9:42pm
barry

Why all the fuss over the years with the word Nigger. This was merely the southern states’ pronunciation of Negro, a word which I have used all my life [73yrs] and still do although some now seem to think negro is racist. We should be using African American, or just plain Black. What’s in a name?

Not much, as we now finally have evidence that dominant West African tribes played a major part in the negro slave trade, as well as the Europeans.

And how about the Republicans 2008 ticket — John McCain with Condy Rice as running mate!!
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March 14, 2007 9:45pm
barry

Why all the fuss over the years with the word Nigger. This was merely the southern states’ pronunciation of Negro, a word which I have used all my life [73yrs] and still do although some now seem to think negro is racist. We should be using African American, or just plain Black. What’s in a name?

Not much, as we now finally have evidence that dominant West African tribes played a major part in the negro slave trade, as well as the Europeans.

And how about the Republicans 2008 ticket — John McCain with Condy Rice as running mate!!
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March 14, 2007 9:47pm
lyndon

DPF, If you happen to catch this…

I would submit that at least a couple of the comments you have taken strongest exception to don’t say what you seem to think.

They think the tshirt is bigoted. Tshirts are not famous for subtlety of sentiment or deep context, although this is, of course, not the USA and we might miss some stuff that difficult to explain.

You did express support for the tshirt, and if someone has issues with the original then they’ll probably have issues with that; that not the same thing as calling you a bigot.

I can see how you took Danyl to be attributing what he (me too, to some extent) sees as its sentiment to you but that’s not my reading.

It is of course your blog and you’re not obliged to tolerate anything that annoys you. Just makes me sad is all.
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March 15, 2007 9:58am
Katie Carter

Oh well there goes the last reason to read the kiwiblog comments threads 🙁

If Trace Hodgeson drew a cartoon of John Key and Judith Collins and called it “Kikes before Dykes” and refused to apologise saying it was a “priceless joke” then it would be right to tell him he was an anti-semite and jew-hater and David Farrar would be the first person in line and wouldn’t be worried about spoiling Hodgesons enjoyment of cartooning or questioning his motiviations.

Danyl Mclauchlan was right to say that the tee-shirt is insulting and that people who think it is funny are bigots. It’s a shame that he hurt your feelings and that you were offended by this but the most important part of NOT being a bigot is to understand that black people and women are even MORE hurt and offended when you refer to them as “Bros” and “Hoes”. If you don’t get that then maybe Danyl was right.
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March 15, 2007 10:19am
NX

Katie said ““Kikes before Dykes”

The difference being Katie is that the quip above is something you just made up & is targeted @ the people in the cartoon.

‘Bro’s before hoes’ is common street slang and is not targeted @ the people in the picture. That’s why it suppose to be funny because it’s mixing elements that have nothing to do with one another.

You, Danyl, & tc have obviously never heard this expression yet you take it upon yourself to call everyone else bigots. Where the hell do you get off… sanctimonious ass-wipes.
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March 15, 2007 11:40am
Katie Carter

Boy there’s none so blind as those who will not see.

“‘Bro’s before hoes’ is common street slang and is not targeted @ the people in the picture. That’s why it suppose to be funny because it’s mixing elements that have nothing to do with one another. ”

I’ve heard the phrase “Bros before Hoes” before. I know it’s a common phrase. It’s also a very offensive phrase. As a woman I find it incredibly offensive being referred to as a “ho”. If you haven’t figured this out for yourself you must be very young or very stupid. “Tight as a Jew” is also a common phrase but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to stick it on a tee-shirt and make disgusting jokes about Jewish politicians.

And how can you claim that the elements in the picture have nothing to do with each other? There’s a picture of a black man and a women directly above the words “Bros” and “Hoes”? Do you really believe your own words? Once again I think you must be very young or very dumb.

And if you think I’m being a “sanctimonious ass-wipes” then I think you should try and experiment. Get up from your computer and go outside and try calling every woman you see a “ho”. If they get angry tell them that it’s just a common phrase and they are just being a sanctimonious asswipe. Let me know how that works out for you.
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March 15, 2007 5:03pm
NX

OK, Katie I’ll try and meet you half way. I can see how the phase can be offensive, particularly to women & to someone of your vintage.

But try & understand the point I made in my last post; the phrase is not personally targeted @ Hilary or Obama because it wasn’t coined for them. Do you get that? It was made by someone else for another situation. It’s as simple as that. The humorous aspect, which has been explained to dead, is juxtaposing the street phrase with the unique situation that the two front runners in the Democratic premiers is a black guy and a women. It was never meant to be sinister – unless you over analyse it like you have. Jokes are never meant to be analysed & I’m kind of embarrassed to be still discussing it.

The real issue Katie, which David has correctly reacted to, is people like you going off the deep end and calling everyone ‘bigots’ then suggesting I should call every women a ‘hoe’ in an effort to convey how offended you are. The irony is yours and Danyls reactions are far more offensive than the original joke.
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March 15, 2007 7:56pm
Katie Carter

“The real issue Katie, which David has correctly reacted to, is people like you going off the deep end and calling everyone ‘bigots’ then suggesting I should call every women a ‘hoe’ in an effort to convey how offended you are. The irony is yours and Danyls reactions are far more offensive than the original joke. ”

LOL. When people let you know you have BO do you spend hours trying to tell them your armpits smell like lavender so their nose must be the problem?
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March 16, 2007 10:01am
NX

LOL.

About bloody time.
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