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August 6, 2009 12:54pm by David Farrar

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Two cartoons from blunt, which are topical:

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burt

What seems missing from all the climate prediction models (well at least missing from the explanation) is what happens when (not if, it’s happened before in a cyclical fashion) the ice caps melt and the sea level rises. Seems obvious to me that the extra weight in the ocean basins would cause an imbalance against the weight of the ‘floating’ solid land. This would then cause plate adjustments which would result in volcanic activity. Volcanic activity causes cooling through ash etc. The cycle continues.
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August 6, 2009 10:25pm
burt

Basically we are fucked, if the ICE cores teach us anything then to ‘fight’ global warming, or fight an ice age, is to intervene in the natural order of the planet.
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August 6, 2009 10:26pm
jarbury

What was that sound????

…. oh, a dog whistle. Thought so.
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August 6, 2009 11:49pm
burt

jarbury

If you and I live forever we will get to reflect on the validity of the science in the early 2000’s. Other prophets of doom will have come and gone as they have before and all the time stuff would have been changing. So the science is settled then? I’m a ‘AGW’ skeptic, get over it. Do some digging on climate prediction science over time. Come back to me when the science is settled.
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August 7, 2009 12:05am
Falafulu Fisi

Cerium said…
The deniers have taken what has become the standard approach. If you can’t prove them wrong then they must be right. It’s not a coincidence the same approach is taken on “intelligent” design, and Obama’s birth certificate, as it was with Iraq’s WMD.

You should learn of what First Principle is, in its application to physical science, before you spew out your ranting here. Try to be more informative about scientific methods first before plunging into illogical unsubstantiated assertions.
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August 7, 2009 12:13am
bill hicks

ok…….. After the pacific forum people from kiribati are really going onto to much about global bullshit.They think there islands are shrinking………… they want to move to new zealand or aussie.UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM better life welfare???? i think they should move inshore.Like maori settlements over the centuries who had to move into land.The sea rises and falls over centuries etc,The moon and the sun have tital effect over the earth.I think island nations should hop onto what ever the no name whale rider and robin whats here names shows big moon chins………………………………plenty of room there
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August 7, 2009 12:29am
Glutaemus Maximus

The believers seem to rationalise things like Mao Tse Tung.

I know we will have a campaign to massively improve the grain harvests by killing all the birds.

Hmmmm. That will work, won’t it?

Leave Nature alone. Co2 is not a pollutant.

The only Global problem we have is over population in poor countries.

That is linked to Pension Provision.

They have loads of kids to ensure food and shelter in their old age.

The developed world of course pays taxes to Governments so that they (Government) can have Gold plated pensions.

AGW is linked directly to All Gores super fund. (Joke)
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August 7, 2009 1:29am
Glutaemus Maximus

The Whale Rider actress went to the Solomon Islands to explore the devastation caused by AGW.

Anybody know what she actually found? We know that water levels haven’t risen!
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August 7, 2009 1:31am
Cerium

All scientists should be skeptics. They readjust their ideas based on new evidence and indications as they become available.

I’m not a scientist, I simply don’t know with any certainty the validity of the ACC claims. I’m skeptical about a lot of it, but I think there is a possibility some of the current science could be partly right.

Would those that claim there is absolutely no significant ACC consider exercising a bit of skepticism about their position?
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August 7, 2009 7:35am
Andrew W

Fletch’s “97% empty” claim seems to be a reference to only about 3% of the planet being urbanised, Fletch, how much of this “empty” planet do you think we should urbanise? If we go for 100% the planet could support over 200 billion people!

Burt and Glutaemus Maximus both say we should leave nature alone and not to interfere in the natural order of things, um, yeah, got that.
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August 7, 2009 7:49am
Patrick Starr

Lawrence Hakiwai. If you’re proposing they just look after their own lives that defeats the purpose of what they’re trying to achieve.
They live to tell you how to live, what to do, what to say, what to eat, how to dress, what to drive, how strong your shower is ……
These pricks cannot help but interfere in your life
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August 7, 2009 7:54am
Herman Poole

Would those that claim there is absolutely no significant ACC consider exercising a bit of skepticism about their position?

I am skeptical about the status quo of global mean temperature fluctuations between 5-15 degrees celcius Cerium.

Same as I’m skeptical about other observed phenomena such as gravity is down and the earth orbits the sun.
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August 7, 2009 8:10am
Cerium

I’m skeptical about how how genuine your skepticism is Brian. Only being skeptical about what you disagree with isn’t skepticism. Yesterday Rick called that dogmatism.
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August 7, 2009 8:36am
Glutaemus Maximus

Cerium, why do you post here?

Not like you will be an opinion former on this blog.

Best if you retreat to the Standard!

Idealogue!
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August 7, 2009 8:39am
Redbaiter

“Best if you retreat to the Standard!”

Agree. Kiwiblog is completely flooded with posts from this insipid patronising condescending self obsessed extreme left BORE.
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August 7, 2009 8:46am
siobhan

from the herald this morning – Key says he’ll chat to Keisha

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10589176

This gets on my goat.

When are will the rest of us be invited to have a chat – oops thats right not all of us are low rate, know nothing celebrities. What a fucking joke?
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August 7, 2009 9:09am
KiwiGreg

@ cerium “What about the dire population projections? That have been coming to pass every year.”

Go back and read “The Population Time Bomb” – we were all supposed to be fucked ages ago. Didnt happen. We didnt run out of oil or iron, we arent all standing shoulder to shoulder, there’s plenty of food to feed everyone.
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August 7, 2009 9:29am
Andrew W

People should all be grateful that Cerium and PhilU comment here, Red will always look for a target and he shifts his sights from left to right.
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August 7, 2009 9:30am
LUCY

Shunda barunda (689) 23 1 Says:

August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again,
The world is going friggin nuts.

Yep!
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August 7, 2009 9:37am
Cerium

“We didnt run out of oil or iron” – can you guarantee we won’t?

“we arent all standing shoulder to shoulder” – maybe not all of us, yet
http://coolstuff.floristone.com/china-beach.html

“there’s plenty of food to feed everyone” – that statement speaks for itself
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August 7, 2009 9:39am
Ryan Sproull

There is plenty of food to feed everyone. It’s just not getting to many of them.
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August 7, 2009 9:41am
KiwiGreg

@ Ryan actually it mostly is. Not too many people starve to death nowadays. But those that dont get it live in largely non-democratic and/or non-capitalist societies so it’s pretty much self inflicted.

@ Cerium that’s not really a rebuttal of any sort. But the short answers are “yes”, “any fool can show localised crowding” and “wtf?”
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August 7, 2009 9:51am
Cerium

Greg, are you saying that as long as we have enough oil and iron and space and food during our lifetime then stuff rest of the world and our kids and grandkids?

There were 923 million hungry people in the world in 2007, an increase of 80 million since 1990, despite the fact that the world already produces enough food to feed everyone – 6 billion people – and could feed double – 12 billion people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

Can’t always trust the wiki but…..I could have been wrong on the food production capability. Projected population by 2050 is about 9b. But – it would take a 40% reduction in ingestions by the affluent 🙂
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August 7, 2009 9:59am
Herman Poole

There were 923 million hungry people in the world in 2007

About 300 million of those hungry people are in the US judging by the size of them.
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August 7, 2009 10:07am
Herman Poole

as long as we have enough oil and iron and space and food during our lifetime then stuff rest of the world and our kids and grandkids?

Mass and Energy are conserved Cerium. It just so happens that at the moment there is so much oil and iron underground that it is far cheaper than reprocessing what we have already extracted.
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August 7, 2009 10:11am
bill hicks

If john key meets whale rider girl for a chat on global bullshit then he should also meet mike hunt,wayne king,dick hertz,eric tyle, justin case,tim burr and pier nuss
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August 7, 2009 10:44am
siobhan

You forgot Gavin Head
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August 7, 2009 10:47am
Kris K

Talking about ‘rent-a-mob’ for your latest green cause.
I recall some TV show in the states where a mock ‘latest threat to the world’ type campaign was setup to see who would by in. This guy started a petition outlining the ‘dangers’ of Di-hydrogen oxide to the environment. The number of Keisha C-H types that signed up was incredible, and scary.

[Obvious note: Di-hydrogen oxide = H2O = water]
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August 7, 2009 1:16pm
Kimble

Bullshit, by Penn & Teller.
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August 7, 2009 1:37pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan actually it mostly is. Not too many people starve to death nowadays. But those that dont get it live in largely non-democratic and/or non-capitalist societies so it’s pretty much self inflicted.

Non-democratic, maybe. But not part of the global capitalist economy, with plenty of capitalist FDI in their country?
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August 7, 2009 2:04pm
LiberalismIsASin

Providing a counter to the Greenpeace campaign: http://signoff.org.nz/
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August 7, 2009 4:14pm
philu

“..KiwiGreg (450) Vote: Add rating 4 Subtract rating 1 Says:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am

@ Ryan actually it mostly is. Not too many people starve to death nowadays. But those that dont get it live in largely non-democratic and/or non-capitalist societies so it’s pretty much self inflicted…”

like..you are fucken kidding..aren’t you..?

“..it’s pretty much self inflicted…”

..eh..?

gag-inducing ignorant..!

phil(whoar.co.nz
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