General Debate 18 January 2009

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Brian Smaller

I brought a pup yesterday. Is there anything quite so nice as wacthing kids playing with a new puppy? Sorry – just being soppy.
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January 18, 2010 10:17am
Redbaiter

” Is there anything quite so nice as wacthing kids playing with a new puppy? ”

Something needs to be done about you communist subversives…!!!
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January 18, 2010 10:19am
Grant Michael McKenna

Lady Gaga done up as a Barbie doll, or the other way around. http://www.toywhimsy.com/2010/01/lady-gaga-barbie-and-more-news-from-americas-favorite-doll.html
Given how little she wears, how on earth do people think that she may be a transvestite?
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January 18, 2010 10:22am
Brian Smaller

Red – I will put myself against the wall and shoot myself forthwith.

Something else – good to see the science is settled
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece

Of course, this is science that is based on an eight year old magazine article that was based on a phone call to an unknown researcher in India who said he was ‘speculating’. Cough up those Carbon credits baby.
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January 18, 2010 10:30am
Inventory2

Excellent editorial in the Dom-Post this morning on Simon Bridges’ campaign for tougher sentences for animal abusers; a campaign I support wholeheatedly

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/01/onya-simon.html
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January 18, 2010 10:35am
Redbaiter

” Red – I will put myself against the wall and shoot myself forthwith. ”

Well, OK, but I’ve already added your name to the ‘lamp post list’.

A good article in the Times. Meanwhile the useless NZ Herald is still trying to push the propaganda, claiming that a new poll showing widespread disbelief in the UN Climate change theory demonstrates that we’re just not educated on the facts.

What a disgrace for a newspaper.

If they had been doing their jobs they would have been investigating this scam right from the start. Instead they acted as enthusiastic propaganda agents for the UN.

The NZ Herald is a collection of state worshipping scum who have betrayed the craft of journalism.
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January 18, 2010 10:38am
Murray

Chrsitians have Pat “Haiti Was Caused by Godlessness” Robertson and the AGW crowd have Danny Clover.

Haiti was caused by the failure of Copenhagen!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2594693/danny_glover_haiti_caused_by_failure.html?cat=9

Bat shit insanity knows no political allegiance and a religious nut job is a religious nut job.
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January 18, 2010 10:40am
Positan

Guys, I hesitate to say it – but the standard of intellectual comment thus far today competes dangerously with the levels one expects to find on Red Alert.
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January 18, 2010 10:41am
Redbaiter

The white male fights back-

” A businessman is suing British Airways over a policy that bans male passengers from sitting next to children they don’t know – even if the child’s parents are on the same flight.

Mirko Fischer has accused the airline of branding all men as potential sex offenders and says innocent travellers are being publicly humiliated. ”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243625/Businessman-Mirko-Fischer-sues-British-Airwars-treating-men-like-perverts.html
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January 18, 2010 10:44am
Brian Smaller

Guys, I hesitate to say it – but the standard of intellectual comment thus far today competes dangerously with the levels one expects to find on Red Alert.

You are right. I apologise for my puppy post.
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January 18, 2010 10:45am
KiwiGreg

What an idiot. I’d pay not to be seated next to kids on a plane.
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January 18, 2010 10:45am
Murray

Parody Positan. The sincerist form of mockery.
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January 18, 2010 10:50am
Redbaiter

“Guys, I hesitate to say it – but the standard of intellectual comment thus far today competes dangerously with the levels one expects to find on Red Alert.”

Never mind. Your egregrious comment has raised the level astronomically.
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January 18, 2010 10:50am
Redbaiter

“What an idiot. I’d pay not to be seated next to kids on a plane.”

You need to read the article. He was forced to move from a seat next to his pregant wife.
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January 18, 2010 10:51am
dime

Avatar worldwide gross – $1,602,168,000

Breakdown: US $491,767,000 Worldwide $1,602,168,000

This thing should crack 2 billion. thats fuckin nuts.
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January 18, 2010 10:51am
Murray

So you’re happy with being profiled as a potential paedophile then Greg?
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January 18, 2010 10:51am
cha

Rush Limbaugh:
Don’t give Haitians a penny

“This [the earthquake] will play right into Obama’s hands,” said Limbaugh. “He’s humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community – both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. This is made to order for them.”
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January 18, 2010 10:51am
Murray

Imagine if they’d spent any money on a script dime instead of making Pocahontas in space.
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January 18, 2010 10:54am
Alan Wilkinson

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3236182/Hero-drags-family-from-torrent

If the story is true this lot seem to have made a failed attempt for a Darwin Award.
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January 18, 2010 10:55am
Redbaiter

Gee Cha, your posting links to twisted hate and lies about Rush Limbaugh again???
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January 18, 2010 10:55am
david

Seems that theAusses have picked up on the glacier thing as well . http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/united-nations-blunder-on-glaciers-exposed/story-e6frg6n6-1225820614171

But I wouldn’t be holding my breath for it to appear in a NZ rag, nor it would seem for anyone to draw the obvious conclusion about the overall veracity of the IPPC pronouncements in general.

Makes rather a mockery of “settled science”, “scientific consensus”, peer reviews and all the other “we-know-and-you-are-ignorant-so-just-believe-everything-we-say-without-question” BS that the media have been feeding us for the past 10 years.

How the hell is world climate expert lprent going to explain this one away I wonder.
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January 18, 2010 11:00am
Pita

So the “peer reviewed” IPCC report on Himalayan glacier retreat, that forcast their complete loss by 2035, was based on an eight year old “New Science” article that was based on a passing comment by a scientist at some Indian University..sounds like a good enough observation to raise taxes.
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January 18, 2010 11:02am
Pete George

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

Scientists have discovered the earliest known Hebrew writing — an inscription dating from the 10th century B.C., during the period of King David’s reign. The breakthrough could mean that portions of the Bible were written centuries earlier than previously thought.

“It indicates that the Kingdom of Israel already existed in the 10th century BCE and that at least some of the biblical texts were written hundreds of years before the dates presented in current research,” said Gershon Galil, a professor of Biblical Studies at the University of Haifa in Israel, who deciphered the ancient text.
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January 18, 2010 11:11am
wreck1080

The South Wairarapa Mayor needs a bollocking…

South Wairarapa Mayor Adrienne Staples said warning signs were meant to be in place before Christmas.

She was surprised they had not been erected yet, but said she believed campers had to have “some personal responsibility”.

So, she expects tourists to know local conditions at council campsites. And, pray tell, where would a tourist find out this information? Surely there should have been warning signs put up years ago.
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January 18, 2010 11:12am
dime

murray – agree! its a leftists wet dream… of course it wasnt “left” enough and was attacked last week for being racist – the white man having to come in and save the natives lol
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January 18, 2010 11:18am
Captain Crab

I wonder how lprent can explain this.
“The reliability of data used to document temperature trends is of great importance in this debate. We can’t know for sure if global warming is a problem if we can’t trust the data.
The official record of temperatures in the continental United States comes from a network of 1,221 climate-monitoring stations overseen by the National Weather Service, a department of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Until now, no one had ever conducted a comprehensive review of the quality of the measurement environment of those stations.”
“we found that 89 percent of the stations – nearly 9 of every 10 – fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own
siting requirements that stations must be 30 meters (about 100 feet) or more away from an artificial heating or radiating/reflecting heat source.
In other words, 9 of every 10 stations are likely reporting higher or rising temperatures because they are badly sited.
It gets worse. We observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time also has caused them to report
a false warming trend. We found major gaps in the data record that were filled in with data from nearby sites, a practice
that propagates and compounds errors. We found that adjustments to the data by both NOAA and another government
agency, NASA, cause recent temperatures to look even higher.
The conclusion is inescapable: The U.S. temperature record is unreliable.”
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/surfacestationsreport_spring09.pdf

I’m reminded of that highly technical scientific term; “Garbage in equals garbage out”
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January 18, 2010 11:20am
TripeWryter

I am often impressed by ‘Brian’, an octogenarian talkback caller who seems to know a bit about constitutional matters.

From him I learn that the Supreme Court of New Zealand — Margaret Wilson’s gift to the nation — sits only 22 days a year.
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January 18, 2010 11:20am
KiwiGreg

“You need to read the article. He was forced to move from a seat next to his pregant wife.”

Nah, then I’d have facts to work with and that would interfere with my thought processes.
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January 18, 2010 11:22am
Pete George

“He was forced to move from a seat next to his pregnant wife.”

He could have swapped seats with his wife – I know it says she wanted the window seat but swapping with her would surely have been better than moving somewhere else.

But he is right, he should not have been made to move. If they want to be that pedantic (I don’t see that it is justified) they should have moved the kid.
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January 18, 2010 11:28am
DJP6-25

Brian Smaller 10:30 I wonder if this would have come out were it not for climategate.

cheers

David Prosser
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January 18, 2010 11:40am
PaulL

1. Warning signs. Yes, it would be nice. But I agree that if you camp right beside a river, you probably should be thinking about what happens if that river floods. Particularly if there are heavy rain warnings out. You don’t really need a sign to tell you that low lying ground next to a river could be in trouble if it rains heavily.

2. Moving if next to kids. I much prefer sitting next to a kid than having the little shit sitting behind me kicking my seat. I think this guy has a point – he was sitting next to his pregnant wife, the kid’s parents were elsewhere on the plane. Move the kid, or move one of the parents so that the kid is sitting with his parents. I also note the kid was 12 – probably old enough to make a ruckus if someone tries a bit of kiddy fiddling. You’d be a brave paedophile who’d give that a go in a crowded plane.
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January 18, 2010 11:41am
bearhunter

It might be just me, but I found the coverage of the Heineken tennis on TV1 to be a bit odd. No issues with the coverage of the action (although the level of commentary and pre/post-match interviews left something to be desired), but I found it incongruous that after the presentation of the trophy to US American winner John Isner someone decided that the appropriate track to close out the coverage was Green Day’s American Idiot.
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January 18, 2010 11:41am
Chicken Little

From The Australian article that david links to above

Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on Himalayan glaciers in the 2007 IPCC report……..

…..Professor Lal admits he knows little about glaciers.

Does anything more need to be said?

Why YES it does.

John Key and his little friends needs to start backing off from this bullshit right now or National faces losing more credibility with the NZ public.

Face it boys you got suckered. Time to admit it, repeal the ETS, stop funding crap alternative power sources that only survive because of subsidies and by making consumer prices more expensive, time to stop pandering to the EU using what amounts to blackmail, time to tell the multitude of ‘activists’ where to go.

The window of opportunity is there right now for a new Right political party that doesn’t buy into this crap.

All of the Right has lost credibility over this issue and IMO now ranks right down there with Labour and the Watermelons ( aren’t they quiet at the moment? Maybe facing a 20% or more loss of support which equals being turfed out at the next election is got them gulping like landed whales and unable to speak? )

I’d be interested to gauge if there is support out there for a new political party of the Right that actually listens to their constituents.

What say ye?

Oh, and who cares what lprent thinks? the guy is a cock of the highest order.
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January 18, 2010 11:47am
Jack5

On reading the following stories in the NZ Hooerald, I reconsider my opposition to the white-feather-like fern flag some propose for New Zealand. On further thought I think it would be appropriate for a country that sells out so easily.

Seriously, first National, and second, Bro Key, can be held largely responsible for what underlies these Hooerald headlines today:

1.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620758

2.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620791

On the first story, the move to a multicultural NZ (or even Chinese NZ?) the reporter, Tan, noted:

…the new Chinese immigrants were an “untapped resource” to help New Zealand exporters and businesses to tap into the Chinese market…

With NZ’s big trade deficit, what are the Chinese migrants are adding to exports, apart from tins of baby formula from our supermarkets? I don’t see the migrants in farming or even horticulture, or fishing, or mining. They are overwhelmingly Queen Streeters, adding to the economic distortion that comes from a non-industrial country headed towards having 40 to 50 per cent of its population in one city.
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January 18, 2010 12:02pm
Alan Wilkinson

wreck1080: “The South Wairarapa Mayor needs a bollocking ..”

Nope, we’ve generated a mollycoddled generation that are useless for anything except shopping and self-reproduction. They need a bureaucrat to change their nappies every day of their lives and will happily camp in a river bed while there is a deluge in progress.
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January 18, 2010 12:04pm
Jack5

Further on the deal to change the name of Ninety-Mile Beach to something in Maori (link below) as part of the settlement with Northland’s Te Hiku forum.

The likely Maori name? Te Oneroa a Tohe.

Treaty Settlements Minister Chris Finlayson says the deal will be finalised by the end of the year.

Finlayson in his maiden speech to Parliament recounted how he had acted for Ngai Tahu in its generous settlement, which resulted in the tribe getting first and second rights to buy South Island crown property for ever:

… I was involved in Treaty litigation. In particular, I acted for Ngai Tahu in its claim against the Crown. The proudest moment of my professional career was being at Kaikoura on 21 November 1997, when former Prime Minister Jim Bolger and Sir Tipene O’Regan for Ngai Tahu signed the deed of settlement…

The link to the 90-mile name change in the Hooerald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620791
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January 18, 2010 12:14pm
freethinker

Chicken Little (590) Says:
January 18th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Dead right Chicken – as ACT appears to have lost its way and backbone – hopefully only tempoarily – at the next election with the deceit that National will create over the MMP referendum – a centre right party that listens and acts on its supporters views is required.
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January 18, 2010 12:47pm
cha

Rush Limbaugh ‘meant’ what he said about Haiti.
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January 18, 2010 12:50pm
Yvette

Alan Wilkinson – “They need a bureaucrat to change their nappies every day of their lives and will happily camp in a river bed while there is a deluge in progress.”

You can see where the confusion arises.
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January 18, 2010 12:51pm
Redbaiter

Rush Limbaugh ‘meant’ what he said about Haiti.

Of course. Mr. Limbaugh always means what he says and says what he means. He just did not say what you claimed he did in your first post. (” Do not give Haitians a penny “) That claim was a lie and a cowardly smear.
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January 18, 2010 1:05pm
trout

How did we ever develop this obsession with saving people from themselves? We do NOT want signs on riverbanks where there is freedom camping; God knows there are enough signs in this country. People who are absolved from responsibility are bound to make the wrong decisions when it really counts. I applaud the Mayor for dealing to the dumbwit on National Radio when he tried to make a Federal case out of there being no sign where people chose to camp in wet weather. And commiserations to those who have had to listen to National Radio over the break; a pot pourri of trivia and vacuous nonsense.
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January 18, 2010 1:22pm
trout

How about this as a metaphor for Maori ‘cultural renaissance’.
The Herald reports that a ‘real Maori’, Mr. Kairau stations himself at the Viaduct and has himself photographed with tourists for $5.00 a pop. No problem with that; private enterprise at work. But his comment is priceless;
‘I am not doing this for financial interests. It is for cultural (reasons). However, it is rather lucrative.’
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January 18, 2010 1:27pm
Komata

Re the threatened ‘re-naming’ of Ninety-Mile Beach. What the Herald doesn’t say, although it was stated on the o600 RNZ news this morning(18 January 2010) is that the spokesman said that the tribe was ‘determined to get rid of all signs of ‘occupation’ and that this was one of the moves to achieve that end.

‘Occupation’? Yes folks, we’re in Hariwera territory – where the mantra is White man evil, Maori GOOD, and an area where, ironically, there isn’t a true ‘maori’ anywhere in sight, and many are on the DPB and U-B

On the basis of the claim that this spokesman made, and in the belief that the local ‘maori’ evidently believe that ALL things white are bad, I wonder what the screams would be about if the (whiteman’s) government decided to stop the various benefits which are being provided to Northland ‘maori’, along with health services, road-maintenance etc, etc, etc?

We know of course that it will never happen, but it does make one wonder. . .
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January 18, 2010 1:45pm
Brian Smaller

How about this as a metaphor for Maori ‘cultural renaissance’.
The Herald reports that a ‘real Maori’, Mr. Kairau stations himself at the Viaduct and has himself photographed with tourists for $5.00 a pop. No problem with that; private enterprise at work. But his comment is priceless;
‘I am not doing this for financial interests. It is for cultural (reasons). However, it is rather lucrative.’

This is no different to the guys who dress in crappy theatrical Roman oufits and hang around the Colloseum and Foro Romano having their pictures taken with tourists in exchange for too many euros. Good on the Maori joker I say. The only thing is that he shouldn’t be embarrassed about saying “I am in it for the money”.
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January 18, 2010 2:35pm
PaulL

The only thing is that he shouldn’t be embarrassed about saying “I am in it for the money”

+1
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January 18, 2010 2:56pm
Alan Wilkinson

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum and running rampant:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10620823
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January 18, 2010 3:04pm
Viking2

A good thought provoking read.

http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly212.htm

http://www.nzcpr.com/guest177.htm

More Nat. skulduggery and an attempt to decieve and control the issues of democracy in NZ.
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January 18, 2010 7:10pm
Whafe

Penny Ashton needs to pull her head out of her ass….

Taking offense at the term Cougar… Give me strength….
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January 18, 2010 7:10pm
TripeWryter

I have just seen ms Ashton on Close Up, which pretends to be a serious current affairs programme. It does, doesn’t it?

It doesn’t? Oh, well, never mind.

Anyway, she reminds me of the woman who followed that segment in an ad. You know, the redhead who earbashes her husband in traffic. Then they win the Lotto, and they’re in a boat, and she still earbashes her husband, and he just opens the throttle …

Penny Ashton needs to get a life. Until I saw her, I probably wouldn’t have given too hoots about the ad. Now that she has paraded herself on Close Up, well, I have to say I think the ad’s great.
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January 18, 2010 7:23pm
big bruv

Who the fuck is Penny Ashton?
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January 18, 2010 8:02pm
Southern Raider

That Cougar ad is very funny. Have none of the people complaining been to the Lime Bar on Ponsonby Rd and seen them in their natural habitat?
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January 18, 2010 8:22pm
Southern Raider

Guess what country seems to be making the biggest difference in Haiti.

Yes that much dispised Israel.

A baby saved from the destruction has even been named after his rescuers.
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January 18, 2010 8:23pm
big bruv

Raider

Pop on over to Tumeke and tell Bomber the news about the great work done by the Israel’s.

Bet your post does not make it past moderation, he and Luc are not interested in anything positive when it comes to Israel.
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January 18, 2010 8:33pm
Southern Raider

Whafe etc. Penny Ashton isn’t even funny and yet calls herself one of NZ’s top comedians.

Her issue would be she’s too fat and ugly to be a Cougar and so feels discriminated against.l
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January 18, 2010 8:34pm
Southern Raider

By the time France (yes the ex Colonists rulers) had 5 search dogs on the ground, Israel had 120 paramedics and also additional specialised recovery teams.

But yes hard to see Luc etc acknowledging any of this.
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January 18, 2010 8:39pm
Whafe

Yes hear you on that one S Raider – She has sour grapes because no one would be wanting to play horizontal bungee with her…. She was absolutely pathetic….

I can say seriously, it is pitiful being down the waterfront in Auckland, the amount of Cougars on the prowl is so so amusing…. Head on down to Pasha Bar, sheesh it is a sight for sore eyes….

Can tell all the recent divorces, new nails, new hairdo and a new gym body…
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