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July 4, 2010 8:00am by David Farrar

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krazykiwi

Look with phil gone there’s a chance I’ll no longer be slimed as a Christo-facist/christian-fascist/whatever. I’m gonna miss that ‘abuse’ really. Perhaps American Gardener will pick up the standard and fight on.

On a slightly serious note, phil has been is a bit unstable recently. I’d expect his banishment is the source of huge amount of anger and bitterness for him right now. I hope his son is ok. Does anyone have the CYFS helpline number?
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July 4, 2010 9:18pm
Redbaiter

You poor people who can’t find anything else to talk about but Phil Ure need to get a fucking life.
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July 4, 2010 9:30pm
Pete George

I doubt it’s enough of a basis to contact CYFS. Is it a full moon? RB has been tetchier than usual over the last two or three days too.

Does raise a point I have thought about, RB seems to get so wound up sometimes, it’s impossible to know if it’s an act or for real. I’ll keep standing up to him and admit it’s sometimes hard to resist pushing his buttons but I wouldn’t want to help push him over the edge. That’s one major drawback with online contact, you can never be sure what the real reaction and is at the other end.
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July 4, 2010 9:35pm
Johnboy

“You poor people who can’t find anything else to talk about but Phil Ure need to get a fucking life.”

I would but the wife’s gone to bed and I’m stuck here with only the keyboard to occupy my hands.

Should I hire a video perhaps?
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July 4, 2010 9:36pm
Redbaiter

“I’ll keep standing up to him”

Haha.. you pathetic coward.. what’s that mean? Making yellow false allegations that you go to water on as soon as you’re asked to back them up with facts? Pissant. You couldn’t stand up to a one cell amoeba.
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July 4, 2010 9:39pm
Johnboy

“I’ll keep standing up to him ”

Ha hah ha. You will need to up your dose of Viagra I think Petey going on past performance. 🙂
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July 4, 2010 9:39pm
Pete George

If you are looking for something interesting Johnboy try this.
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July 4, 2010 9:40pm
starboard

..party vote ACT… anybody ?
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July 4, 2010 9:41pm
Pete George

You couldn’t stand up to a one cell amoeba.

A one celled amoeba would make more sense than you RB. Centrist, no right or left cell there.
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July 4, 2010 9:43pm
Johnboy

I prefer this Petey. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHDBL7CNA4

It reminds me of someone? Fucked if I know who. 🙂
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July 4, 2010 9:44pm
Pete George

That’s Redbaiter?
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July 4, 2010 9:46pm
Johnboy

I couldn’t possibly comment.
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July 4, 2010 9:48pm
Redbaiter

“A one celled amoeba would make more sense than you RB”

I’m not the one linking to fake web sites embellished with out of context and fabricated quotes. I always play it straight up. I write here and what you see is what you get. You on the other hand Pete are a sneaking sly vacillating weasel who couldn’t be up front if your damn useless life depended on it. The only thing that is the slightest bit remarkable about you is your seemingly endless capacity for deceit and cowardice, matched by few other contributors to this site.
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July 4, 2010 9:50pm
krazykiwi

Excellent essay here: Climate Change and the Death of Science. Worth a read as it unpacks the idea of post-normal science in some detail.

An extract:

Mike Hulme, founding director of the Tyndall Centre, and Professor of Climate Change at the University of East Anglia (UEA), prepared climate scenarios and reports for the UK Government (including the UKCIP98 and UKCIP02 scenarios, and reviewer for UKCP09), the European Commission, UNEP, UNDP, WWF-International and the IPCC, and was co-ordinating Lead Author for the chapter on ‘Climate scenario development’ for the Third Assessment Report of the IPCC, as well as a contributing author for several other chapters. Hulme has been a champion and exponent of post-normal science for some years to serve his own socialist agenda, and this is what he has to say about post-normal science:
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“The idea of climate change should be seen as an intellectual resource around which our collective and personal identifies and projects can form and take shape. We need to ask not what we can do for climate change, but to ask what climate change can do for us…Because the idea of climate change is so plastic, it can be deployed across many of our human projects and can serve many of our psychological, ethical, and spiritual needs.”
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“Within a capitalist world order, climate change is actually a convenient phenomenon to come along”
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“The danger of a “normal” reading of science is that it assumes science can first find truth, then speak truth to power, and that truth-based policy will then follow…exchanges often reduce to ones about scientific truth rather than about values, perspectives and political preferences.”

So let’s get this perfectly clear: Climate Change is post-normal science experiment designed to usher in social and political change. We must resolutely reject this manipulation.
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July 4, 2010 9:50pm
bhudson

Johnboy,

hahaha. What a classic. And in the best possible taste.

You gotta wonder with these ultra rightest, intolerant, hardliners. Remember the boy’s father in American Beauty? We saw his true colours in the end…eh?
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July 4, 2010 9:50pm
Pete George

I always play it straight up.

Yes, you try and play it straight up people’s arse’s with a verbal jackhammer. The problem is it sounds like canned quotes borrowed from other try-hards, randomly applied so the meaning gets lost in the foam.
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July 4, 2010 9:59pm
Johnboy

Don’t get me wrong bh. I agree with Curtis LeMay and Redbaiter.

We should have nuked the slit eyed little fucks back into the stone age when we had the ability and I was around when it could have happened (unlike most who comment here).

Its just that I like to take the piss. It amuses me. 🙂
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July 4, 2010 10:01pm
Sonny Blount

You gotta wonder with these ultra rightest, intolerant, hardliners. Remember the boy’s father in American Beauty? We saw his true colours in the end…eh?

Oh god, are you aware of the difference between liberal Hollywood movies and real life?
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July 4, 2010 10:44pm
bhudson

Sonny,

it was a joke. Could even be argued as a bit of a play on Johnboy’s prior post of the Kenny Everitt video.

Do you lack the functioning neurons to be able to figure out something that bleeding obvious?
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July 4, 2010 11:02pm
Luc Hansen

A late comment after catching up on the fate of Phil U.

I understand his suspension because his personal attack on DPF was unwarranted and was particularly nasty, but Phil’s main point about the contradictory nature of the right wing in bemoaning abortion but also bemoaning benefits to support babies is a legitimate line of enquiry.

Of course, many of us here come under personal attack, and posters like Redbaiter (you fucking coward) and Johnboy (Fuk off you piece of shit) and Hurf Durf (think of an insult: he’s delivered it) seem to get very wide latitude to abuse other posters.

I do my best not to get sucked into responding in kind, but I’m only human, sadly, and sometimes get carried away.

Personally, I would like to see DPF take a hard line on all personal attacks – so pointless because few of us have met in person, and probably never will – rather than just the ones on himself. His current approach is arbitrary at best, selective at worst (in my humble opinion).

Then we could all just concentrate on debating issues, rather than the amount of imaginary faeces supposedly wrapping our words.
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July 4, 2010 11:07pm
Luc Hansen

Johnboy again:

We should have nuked the slit eyed little fucks back into the stone age

But you aren’t a racist, are you JB?

I wish I knew whose company car you drive – I wonder if they know the vile racism you demonstrate on here.
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July 4, 2010 11:10pm
Redbaiter

“Of course, many of us here come under personal attack”

Waaaah waaaah waaah Luc Hansen, like every other brain dead extreme left liberal out there, the perpetual victim.
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July 4, 2010 11:14pm
Luc Hansen

Thank you RB…

right on cue…

you piece of gutless shite…

cocksucking fucken coward…

not worth the effort of spitting upon…

You and Johnboy obviously swap sphit, don’t you…

(Sorry DPF, I just couldn’t help myself. Demerits will not be protested).
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July 4, 2010 11:28pm
Hurf Durf

Luc Hansen and Philip Urine are the same person.

Think about it. Same smugness, same deluded sense of enlightenment, same impotant rage, same hatred for the “Xtian facists.”

Luc is Phil if the latter didn’t have a monged brain.
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July 5, 2010 12:05am
Luc Hansen

Hurf Durf:

At least I’m not a racist, arrogant, white supremacist, pimply faced, fucked up retard like you.

You turned down a genuine offer to debate face to face, remember?

Frightened that facts might overwhelm your prejudices?
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July 5, 2010 12:40am
Pete George

I write here and what you see is what you get. You on the other hand Pete are a sneaking sly vacillating weasel who couldn’t be up front if your damn useless life depended on it. The only thing that is the slightest bit remarkable about you is your seemingly endless capacity for deceit and cowardice, matched by few other contributors to this site.

I thought the gross exaggerations were part of an attention seeking act. If you truly believe that what you write is straight you are more nuts than I thought. From my experience you are often so wide of the mark it’s as if you’re trying to shoot arrows at a target on your backside. Blinded by ideology.

You are most accurate when you inadvertently describe yourself, which is often.

It’s a shame, the basics of some of your ideas make sense, but you destroy any semblance of credibility by going over the top more often than the troops in WWI.
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July 5, 2010 7:04am
Hurf Durf

Hahaha, Luc’s set his bitch factor to 11. I like it. 😀
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July 5, 2010 9:01pm
Redbaiter

Yeah- one thing about commies, if you just give them the chance, they can teach you so much about maturity. 🙂
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July 5, 2010 9:11pm
Johnboy

“(Sorry DPF, I just couldn’t help myself. Demerits will not be protested).”

David doesn’t read your pathetic Jew hating comments Luc.

Some of us do (now and then) only because we feel that your self abuse just isn’t enough to fully demonstrate what an nasty piece of shit you actually are.

Personally, I like many others here, I am happy to abuse you whenever you like.

If you feel I am not paying you enough attention feel free to say so. 🙂
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July 5, 2010 9:19pm
big bruv

“white supremacist, pimply faced, fucked up retard like you”

Our Jew hating pal Luc has quite the turn of phrase when he puts his tiny little mind to it.

“You turned down a genuine offer to debate face to face, remember?”

Now that has a ring of familiarity about it…..does Luc live in Christchurch?
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July 5, 2010 9:31pm
dad4justice

Get help FFS with your pathological obsession big blouse you cowardly smear. You are one very sick unit!
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July 5, 2010 10:01pm
reid

Personally, I would like to see DPF take a hard line on all personal attacks

I don’t get Luc why lefties seem so concerned about this issue – it’s very common on left blogs to have policies against personal attacks but I’ve personally never understood the issue. As you say, blogging is anonymous and it’s therefore not personal. It’s not as if we’re all sitting in the pub and risk a biffo breaking out. So why is it any big deal at all?

I seriously don’t get it.
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July 5, 2010 10:32pm
Johnboy

Lefties only work well when they are empowered in a gang reid, witness the stranded.

They really hate it when others gang up on them.

I guess they are all masochists too, that’s why they come here.
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July 5, 2010 10:42pm
reid

“I guess they are all masochists too, that’s why they come here.”

Well they certainly don’t win very often, do they. But I had concluded that was due both to our superior conservative intellect combined with their appallingly simplistic almost child-like naivity.

But maybe I’m wrong, JB. Maybe we really are supermen, after all.
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July 5, 2010 10:54pm
Redbaiter

“I seriously don’t get it.”

Well Reid its long past time you bloody well did get it. The fact that it is mainly the left who seem so preoccupied with this issue is the first clue.

First you need to understand that everything the left does is planned to have gradual and increasing effect. They don’t think in months or years, they think in decades.

Secondly you need to know that the left generally anticipate every action and reaction. Everything is planned.

They know that there will eventually be a section of the population that will rebel against their collectivist political ambitions. This rebellion will in the first instance manifest itself by means of a general contempt towards those who advocate left wing policies.

They must suppress this contempt or risk their long term plans stalling. Therefore they introduce into society a mood whereby any such expressions of contempt are considered unhealthy. Like drink driving, speeding, religious activities, drinking, smoking, racism, sexism, and other such unhelpful behaviourial factors that they seek to control.

Therefore the person who challenges leftist doctrine becomes persona non grata. Kind of like being sent to a gulag in the old soviet days.

As you’ve already noticed, you only have to see the codes of conduct on left wing blog sites, universities, schools, government services, anywhere there is a central control point issuing instructions to a wider group of people.

Look at the socialist conditioning and indoctrination I highlighted in my post to the ‘Computers in schools’ thread for a very good example.

Its all part of the plan and its focused on paving the way for universal socialisation of everybody’s attitudes and behaviour. Make you into a compliant brainwashed easily manipulated little collectivist lemming.

You should know this Reid. You should have known it a decade or two ago.
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July 5, 2010 11:03pm
Johnboy

Superhero

* Extraordinary powers and abilities, relevant skills and/or advanced equipment. Superhero powers vary widely; superhuman strength, the ability to fly, enhanced senses, and the projection of energy bolts are all common. Some heroes, such as Batman, Green Arrow, Hawkeye and the Question possess no superhuman powers but have mastered skills such as martial arts and forensic sciences to a highly remarkable degree, which means they can be classed as superheroes. Others have special weapons or technology, such as Iron Man’s powered armor suits and Green Lantern’s power ring. Many characters supplement their natural powers with a special weapon or device (e.g., Wonder Woman’s lasso and bracelets, Spider-Man’s webbing, Wolverine’s adamantium claws, Daredevil’s billy club, or Thor’s hammer).
* A strong moral code, including a willingness to risk one’s own safety in the service of good without expectation of reward. Such a code often includes a refusal or strong reluctance to kill or wield lethal weapons.
* A motivation, such as a sense of responsibility (e.g. Spider-Man), a formal calling (e.g., Wonder Woman), a personal vendetta against criminals (e.g. Batman), or a strong belief in justice and humanitarian service (e.g. Superman).
* A secret identity that protects the superhero’s friends and family from becoming targets of his or her enemies, such as Clark Kent (Superman), although many superheroes have a confidant (usually a friend or relative who has been sworn to secrecy). Most superheroes use a descriptive or metaphoric code name for their public deeds. Secret identities were almost universal in early superhero comics, but have been decreasingly popular in recent years, beginning with the publication of Fantastic Four and accelerating due to “modern” tastes.
* A distinctive costume, often used to conceal the secret identity (see Common costume features).
* An underlying motif or theme that affects the hero’s name, costume, personal effects, and other aspects of his or her character (e.g., Batman resembles a large bat, operates at night, calls his specialized automobile, which also appears bat-like, the “Batmobile” and uses several devices given a “bat” prefix, Spider-Man can shoot webs from his hands, has a spider web pattern on his costume, and other spider-like abilities).
* A supporting cast of recurring characters, including the hero’s friends, co-workers and/or love interests, who may or may not know of the superhero’s secret identity. Often the hero’s personal relationships are complicated by this dual life, a common theme in Spider-Man and Batman stories in particular.
* A number of enemies that he/she fights repeatedly. In some cases superheroes begin by fighting run of the mill criminals before supervillains surface in their respective story lines. In many cases the hero is in part responsible for the appearance of these super villains (the Scorpion was created as the perfect enemy to defeat Spider-Man, and characters in Batman’s comics often accuse him of creating the villains he fights). Often superheroes have an archenemy who is more troubling than the others. Often a nemesis is a superhero’s doppelganger or foil (e.g., Sabretooth embraces his savage instincts while Wolverine tries to control his; Batman is dark, quiet, and grim, while the Joker is colorful, loquacious, and flamboyant).
* Independent wealth (e.g., Batman or the X-Men’s benefactor Professor X) or an occupation that allows for minimal supervision (e.g., Superman’s civilian job as a reporter).
* A headquarters or base of operations, usually kept hidden from the general public (e.g., Superman’s Fortress of Solitude or Batman’s Batcave).
* A backstory that explains the circumstances by which the character acquired his or her abilities as well as his or her motivation for becoming a superhero. Many origin stories involve tragic elements and/or freak accidents that result in the development of the hero’s abilities.

Yep.

That’s me in the middle reid. Say why do you wear that funny hat?

http://www.blogcadre.com/files/images/superheroes.jpg
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July 5, 2010 11:04pm
reid

RB I was wanting Luc to explain it in his own words.

Measure of the person vs measure of the movement.
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July 5, 2010 11:08pm
Johnboy

Note particularly reid:

* A strong moral code, including a willingness to risk one’s own safety in the service of good without expectation of reward. Such a code often includes a refusal or strong reluctance to kill or wield lethal weapons.

* A motivation, such as a sense of responsibility (e.g. Spider-Man), a formal calling (e.g., Wonder Woman), a personal vendetta against criminals (e.g. Batman), or a strong belief in justice and humanitarian service (e.g. Superman).

* Independent wealth (e.g., Batman or the X-Men’s benefactor Professor X) or an occupation that allows for minimal supervision (e.g., Superman’s civilian job as a reporter).

* A number of enemies that he/she fights repeatedly.

Just don’t try to make too much capital out of our superhuman strength, the ability to fly, or our distinctive costume!

Remember we have a ” supporting cast of recurring characters, including the hero’s friends, co-workers and/or love interests, who may or may not know of the superhero’s secret identity”.

So watch it!
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