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August 2, 2010 9:00am by David Farrar

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Keeping Stock discovered the original version of the Chris Carter letter. Heh.

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Inventory2

Thanks for that DPF. I have to confess; it was filched from Facebook (with Peter McCaffrey’s permission), and has done the rounds of Twitter. But what the heck; it all adds to the farce!
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August 2, 2010 9:14am
ben

Very good.
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August 2, 2010 9:29am
American Gardener

Cheap pointless attack on Chris Carter that probably says more about the person who wrote it. Doesn’t really add much to the debate does it ?
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August 2, 2010 9:32am
Hagues

Its not meant to “add much to the debate” its a joke designed to make people laugh. Get a life.
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August 2, 2010 9:36am
Rufus

AG – what debate?

Carter behaved like an idiot. Debate closed. Talk about not having a sense of humour… sheesh
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August 2, 2010 9:41am
Manolo

“Cheap pointless attack on Chris Carter..”

Really? Carter has debased himself beyond any possible joke.
The trougher should resign immediately and disappear from the political scene forever.
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August 2, 2010 9:43am
YesWeDid

It clearly part of DPF’s ‘job’ to post something everyday for at least a week about Carter. It is part of keeping the story active, keeping it in the public view. Doesn’t matter how meaningless the post is.
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August 2, 2010 9:49am
OliverI

Oh well I lol’d
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August 2, 2010 9:51am
American Gardener

I love the way ‘trougher’ has entered the lexicon of the right. Given that a trougher is ” someone who eats lots of bad food all the time.” it seems very, very unlikely to be an accurate way to describe someone who has travelled extensively on the public purse.
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August 2, 2010 9:51am
Maggie

Someone has a puerile sense of “humour”. Rightwingers gleefully picking over Christ Carter’s bones have very short memories.

Any of you recall Richard Worth?
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August 2, 2010 9:57am
Inventory2

@ American Gardener – you miss the irony. When he was still Education Minister, Carter sent an e-mail to a young person who had written in to him. Carter’s e-mail contained multiple spelling and grammatical errors. I suspect that this might be a gentle reminder, as well as a satirical comment on Carter’s Clouseau-like exceution of his attack on Goff.
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August 2, 2010 9:59am
trout

Re Carter this is where the rubber hits the road. Goff can kick him out of caucus but does the Party have the goolies to kick him out of the Party? Andrew Little on radio this morning prevaricated when asked; mentioned legal issues etc. etc. They are still running the line that Carter is under stress (by inference unbalanced, mentally deranged and if we could we would lock him in an asylum – this is the way we on the left deal with dissidents). Carter of course is very clear headed; he faces another three years without the perks he has become accustomed to. So the party want to kick the messenger rather than heed the message. My guess is that the gay faction and the PC brigade are going to rally around to prevent Carter from being expelled and trade with the Unions to make it through to the next election so that they can get Little in place to unseat Goff.
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August 2, 2010 10:00am
niggly

Conspiracy Theory time 🙂

Interesting to see Labour’s factions putting up a united front last week to “get in behind” Goff. Even Maryan Street did so.

But the damage in public perception has been done, which is that CC as a senior Labour MP made public, discontent that Goff can’t win the 2011 election (which we all knew anyway although not so much Goff really as Labour can’t).

In terms of timing – the latest MP expense claims were old news as soon as it was released (ie who cared), so was it that that drove CC to do what he did?

Or was CC looking at what the Australian Labor Party have done as inspiration?

Or the pressure on him?

Or did someone in NY “use” CC (eg as one of those “useful fools”) to do some limited damage against Goff but more importantly sow the seeds for behind the scenes maneouvering post 2011 election (to replace Goff and/or King) with someone else to carry on the Clark legacy?

For CC’s sake I hope not because if so, he has sure been “used” … and now been disgarded by his closest friends 🙂
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August 2, 2010 10:03am
david

You have all got it wrong.

CC has very carefully maneouvered himself into the perfect position to take over as Leader of the Jamtin Party from whence he will easily rally the necessary 500 members to raise it from the dead and enjoy all the perks of being a Party Leader in the House, will pipe up periodically when he is briefly in the country or when it is the most embarrassing to Phil-in, all the while “absolutely supporting Labour”.
He will be the ultimate supporter for Labour so just give him the nickname “jockstrap” and lets move on.

You heard it here first.
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August 2, 2010 10:28am
Don the Kiwi

The Petulant Poof deserves all he gets.
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August 2, 2010 10:36am
Doug

Labour cautious about Carter’s fate.

Rebel MP Chris Carter could escape expulsion from the Labour Party and may only be suspended as party bosses tread warily over how to discipline him for public attacks on leader Phil Goff.

This would be a major back down.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/politics/3979874/Labour-cautious-about-Carter
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August 2, 2010 10:59am
Inventory2

Indeed Doug. It seems that amongst all the bluster on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, Goff and those who spoke out to kick Carter forgot about the principles of natural justice. They had already tried Chris Carter, found him guilty and sentenced him to political execution without giving him the opportunity to mount a defence.

If that’s the kind of fundamental mistake the Labour leadership would make in dealing with one of their own, can we trust them to run the country?
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August 2, 2010 11:14am
Pete George

Don’t forget that Carter has admitted his guilt and in fact re-emphasised what he initially said in his letter. It’s only the sentence, which does seem it could be a bit less clear cut than made out last week.

Rudman says “And if they stick to the Labour Party constitution, nor can they have him expelled from the party at this Saturday’s meeting of the New Zealand council.”

But he also says “Expulsion is the ultimate weapon, saved for the grandest of crimes and misdemeanours.It’s not something to be used by a leader in a tit-for-tat spat over the passing-round of a rude note cheeking yourself.”

Publicly undermining the Labour Party is not a grand misdemeanor? Do they want sand in the recovery gearbox?
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August 2, 2010 11:31am
RightNow

Awesome Maggie – “Christ Carter”. He’s been crucified, but will he be resurrected?

Seriously, this is one trougher that Labour could do without. As much as I don’t want them back in power, I also think we need them to be a strong opposition party to keep National on their toes. It’s fundamental to our political system.
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August 2, 2010 11:52am
Kris K

“Love Kris Karter
Love not Kris Karter”

I’d just like to clarify that I am NOT Kris Karter!!! 😳 😆
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August 2, 2010 11:53am
RightNow

P.S Maggie, I recall Richard Worth with much amusement. The left were quick to rush to judgement, labelling Neelam Choudary (http://grassroots.labour.org.nz/profile/NeelamChoudary) a ‘victim’. That went well didn’t it?
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August 2, 2010 11:55am
Pete George

Yeah, yeah Kris, but did you write that note? Funny, I didn’t think of you until you pointed it out.

This is different to the Richard Worth thing. All the “victims” here are in Labour (maybe they need an epidural):

– Carter is a victim of diminished troughability
– Goff is a victim of poll trough, and Carter shat all over the sides of the trough making emergence more difficult
– the Labour Party is a victim of an opposition trough of low pressure with internal storm front
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August 2, 2010 12:10pm
davidp

I don’t see how Labour can get rid of Carter. He is well past his 90 day probationary period. Have Labour followed the proper processes of counseling him and giving him written warnings? Because sending him a message to “go home and think about your future” via TV, or hinting that he has mental health issues in a blog post just aren’t going to be sufficient if Carter takes his case to an employment tribunal. Lastly, Carter will have the full force of the unions behind him… They’re not going to be happy that the sort of dodgy employer they’ve been looking to use to discredit National’s employment law reforms turns out to be their own political wing.
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August 2, 2010 12:14pm
Inventory2

Indeed davidp – it sounds like a clear-cut case of constructive dismissal to me 🙂

Carter should take the Labour Party to the Employment Court before National changes the rules on frivolous actions. He could be in for a generous payday!
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August 2, 2010 12:44pm
RightNow

I think the term Gross Misconduct would apply. If I delivered a letter to the media blatantly stating my employer was unfit for his role I’m sure I’d be sacked by lunchtime.
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August 2, 2010 12:47pm
KevinH

He forget the kisses XXX
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August 2, 2010 12:49pm
Yvette

What is most amazing about Carter’s letter is that Goff didn’t just publically ignore it, especially once he knew where it had come from.

Two sentences about a supposed Goff gaff on the tradability of a week of annual leave entitlement, with a prediction about union based MPs will challenge Goff tomorrow, spread into two more sentences about general discontent with Goff and how happy this must make Cunliffe. That could have all died tomorrow as a non-event.

Then three short sentences about George Hawkins, the main point appearing to be that Labour can’t afford by-elections. So?

Once he nipped in the bud any possible move tomorrow, Goff could have quietly dealt with the matter in his own terms and time.
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August 2, 2010 12:49pm
American Gardener

“The Petulant Poof deserves all he gets.” – ummm I think this might be the real reason the Right hate Chris Carter so much – he is a successful gay man. The Right hate uppity minority groups: the VRWC detest it when gay men, lesbians, brown men are successful and take every opportunity to shoot them down. That was Shane Jone’s real crime: being a user of pornography wasn’t the issue, being a brown one was.
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August 2, 2010 1:01pm
Viking2

Goff should quit and find a job where his considerable talents could be much better utilized. Tht’ what Preb’s and Moore did and ask either if they would go back to the Labour mess and the answer is veryclear. Even Moore is well embrased in capitalism and thinks its great.

Goff quiting would be the death nell for any Labour Party especially if King and co followed as they will. No one of Labour Principles left.
Then the outfit could be renamed for what it really would like to be.

the
Rainbow Union Party.
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August 2, 2010 1:03pm
Put it away

Rufus – American Gardener is a troll who’s method is to take the stupidest position on any issue and attempt to defend it with the stupidest possible argument – psychobabble. “Projection” is a favourite of his, most of his replies amount to some varation on the theme – basically he thinks “it takes one to know one” is the strongest argument known to man…
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August 2, 2010 1:06pm
davidp

AG >”he is a successful gay man”

Not that successful… He is currently in the process of being thrown out of his own party, the general public think his defining quality is a sense of his own importance and entitlement, and I haven’t been able to find a single person so far who can point to anything Carter did well in parliament except being Clark’s toady.

But the real question is not why the “Right” hate Chris Carter, but why the Left do. After all, Labour MPs voted unanimously to suspend him from caucus and there wasn’t a single National MP in sight.
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August 2, 2010 1:10pm
Don the Kiwi

American Gardener @ !.01pm.

You’re digging in the wrong patch there pal.
“Petulant” describes the manner of Carter’s conduct.
“Poof” is his defence when people disagree with him (“They’re attacking me because I’m gay”)

Your analysis puts you in a similar LLL boat – Liberal Lefty Looser.
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August 2, 2010 1:13pm
Inventory2

@ American Gardener – it’s not the VRWC which is currently calling Carter “unwell”, “pretty irrational” and “self-destructive”. Those are all direct quotes from some of his senior colleagues; Phil Goff, Trevor Mallard and Maryan Street respectively.

Get with the game AG; the flack that Carter is drawing from his colleagues is far worse than what the blogosphere has been saying about him for years.
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August 2, 2010 1:59pm
kiwi in america

AG
Carter was caught excessively spending tax payers money on frivilous luxuries, was petulant and unrepentant when it was publicised and was forced by Goff give an apology through clenched teeth. It wouldn’t have mattered if he was brown, Jewish, gay, transgender, Assembly of God or Pasifika – he had his snout in public trough. If he was heterosexual he’d be getting the exact same amount of stick for his conduct. Stop distracting with PC BS and fake conspiracy crap and try and get a sense of humour. Of course him being gay will now be reason for the most PC factions in the Labour Party to rally around him and undermine Goff’s attempts to be “rid of this turbulent priest”.

You remind me of a hilarious play I saw at the Court Theatre that featured a rugby playing kiwi bloke and his flatmate who was the Sexual Harrassment Officer on campus at Massey. It was the most hilarious piss take on political correctness I had ever seen and the entire audience were wetting themselves – except this precious couple dressed in the requisite hemp hand woven attire with the anti-vivisection, pro whale, vegen, Green Party, Pruis driving, Morris Dancing look about them. They scowled though most of the first half and staged a public footstomping walkout just before half time provoking the portion of the audience who could view them to laugh doubly hard!
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August 2, 2010 2:01pm
Yvette

American Gardner – “That was Shane Jone’s real crime: being a user of pornography wasn’t the issue, being a brown one was.”

No, being brown wasn’t either – watching them on our tax paid money was.
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August 2, 2010 2:10pm
BeaB

Mind you, being brown/gay/whatever all adds to the merriment. Diversity is always much more fun than boring old white guys on the lech.
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August 2, 2010 2:21pm
tom hunter

Chauncey goes fishing.

Chauncey gets bites.

Chauncey squeals with delight.
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August 2, 2010 2:24pm
Rex Widerstrom

I’ve seen some commenters on the right decribe John Key as a “successful” trader. I guess he is, if “getting filthy rich while producing nothing of any value” defines success. Now American Gardener describes Carter as a “successful gay man”.

Someone who’s spent the greater part of his adult life receiving a handout from the public purse isn’t “successful”, whether he’s troughing his way round the world on a diplomatic passort or sitting at home running a “news aggregator”.

Some people on both the right and the left have very distorted view of what defines “success”. I have a simple one – has the person made the world, or a small part of it, a better place? That might be through being a good employer, or doing voluntary work, or by lifting his own family out of poverty, or any number of other means. It isn’t by creating money out of nothing or by successfully ingratiating yourself with your party superiors so you can stay attached to the teat.

By that measure, Key still has the potential for success (though he’s not showing much propensity for it) and Carter has very little… though he could of course still suffer an attack of remorse for having achieved nothing while we were paying him and endeavour to put that right by volunteering his time to a worthy cause after the soon-to-occur end of his political career. But I ain’t holding my breath.
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August 2, 2010 2:25pm
Kris K

American Gardener 1:01 pm,

If Chris Carter is the archetypal “successful gay man”, then heaven help all other examples of successful individuals.

Although thinking about it, Weedeater, Chris “Once was a rainbow warrior” Carter is certainly an example of what it is to ‘successfully’ promote his sexual perversion, and to further push the normalisation of the homosexual ‘lifestyle’ and agenda.

If I had my way queers wouldn’t be involved with anything which required any amount of moral integrity and values based decision making and influence. That would include MPs, Chief Censors, teachers, lecturers, caregivers, church workers (priests), etc.

One can but only dream …
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August 2, 2010 2:30pm
RightNow

It’s his troughing and emotional immaturity that has done for him, not his sexuality.
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August 2, 2010 3:23pm
Fot

“If I had my way queers wouldn’t be involved with anything which required any amount of moral integrity and values based decision making and influence. That would include MPs, Chief Censors, teachers, lecturers, caregivers, church workers (priests), etc.”

Then thank goodness bigoted wankers like you do not get to make the choice.
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August 2, 2010 3:36pm
eszett

If I had my way queers wouldn’t be involved with anything which required any amount of moral integrity and values based decision making and influence.

Don’t be so modest, Kris. You wouldn’t let anyone be involved who doesn’t subscribe to your perverted and extremist christian worldview.

Nice to see your so-called “christian” values shine through. Homophobic, intolerant, misogynist, bigoted, fascistic and full of hatred to anyone that is not like you.
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August 2, 2010 4:04pm
mikeysmokes

This place used to be great before it became an online religous debate
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August 2, 2010 4:15pm
Fot

Well said Mikey.
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August 2, 2010 4:18pm
Don the Kiwi

Where’s the religious debate?

All we have is one radtrad fundamentalist christian giving his POV.
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August 2, 2010 4:22pm
Pete George

There’s no such thing as a religious debate.

One side keeps saying x
The other side keeps saying y
And everyone else goes zzzzzzzz
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August 2, 2010 4:26pm
Kris K

Don the Kiwi 4:22 pm,

Where’s the religious debate?

All we have is one radtrad fundamentalist christian giving his POV.

Thankyou, Don.
I don’t even have to cite a Bible verse, and suddenly it’s a religious debate.
You’ve got to laugh at the handwringing liberals that frequent this site – a Christian even opening their mouth is controversial to these morons.
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August 2, 2010 5:03pm
Don the Kiwi

That’s OK Kris.

To be fair, most of the commenters IMO are reasonable guys covering the political spectrum.(the odd whacko t’be sure)
So, you see, its OK to talk about politics , but not about…….uummmm.

IIRC, DPF was going to give the occassional religious topic for debate.

I actually find discussing/debating religion as interesting as politics.

On both topics, as Pete George rightly points out above, no-one will change their beliefs here. 🙂
Political or religious – but there’s nothing wrong with an exchange of POV s .
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August 2, 2010 5:30pm
mikeysmokes

Surely there is a “I love/hate God Blog” out their for the religious nuts.
This shit makes the D4J versus BigBruv rants seem entertaining
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August 2, 2010 5:47pm
Don the Kiwi

Mikey.

Get off that shit you’re smoking – its making you intollerant, incoherent and a bigot.
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August 2, 2010 5:50pm
mikeysmokes

Im not intolerant, incoherant or bigoted. I’m just a little bored of the same religious babble from the same people/person on every thread.
If your after a bigoted, stone age opinion look no further than the god botherer
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August 2, 2010 5:57pm
nickb

he is a successful gay man.

(Citation needed)
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August 2, 2010 7:40pm
dad4justice

“This shit makes the D4J versus BigBruv rants seem entertaining”

Hey mikeyfags – do you think Chris got school cert English. Are all MP’s that thick?
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August 2, 2010 7:53pm
Fot

” a Christian even opening their mouth is controversial to these morons.”

Not at all KrisK, I do not share your beliefs as I consider myself to be far more enlightened than you but that does not mean I am going to denigrate you for being a Christian.

I will however denigrate you for your staggering bigotry and outright stupidity.

You give Christians a bad name.
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August 2, 2010 8:07pm
mikeysmokes

Yeah good one D4J, a bit of playground name calling always goes along way towards making your point.
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August 2, 2010 8:15pm
Hurf Durf

Chwith Carter? Successful? AG, man, your trolling is piss poor. 2/10.
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August 2, 2010 8:48pm
fishbowl

Where do you think Chris will spend his 2 months holiday ? and who will pay to get there ?? Bet he goes via NY
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