General Debate 5 January 2011

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Redbaiter

We though get tired of your constant sneering false claims to be “amused” by everyone you don’t agree with. About time you found a new line you cheap little schoolboy wanker.
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January 5, 2011 8:07pm
Kris K

MyNameIsLegion (for we are many) 7:39 pm,

It is possible, and common, to be both a secularist and a religious follower.

… not if you’re a Muslim, though. In Islam there is no separation between “Mosque and state” – which, of course, was the point I was making, and the same one which you missed.

Mind you, I can understand you missing it – all those competing voices in your head must be a real handicap …
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January 5, 2011 8:09pm
Johnboy

Sorry Petty I thought you were talking serious stuff and had knowledge of internal revolution from the left or the Murris or whatever.

I never realised that you were just trying to make a point to emphasise your dislike of the right thinking people here.

My mistake. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 8:09pm
Pete George

You’re OK way down in NZ Pete. For now anyway.

Why? Is your revolution not getting much traction? Can’t you talk anyone into doing your dirty work?

Johnboy, Red has posted more than enough about wanting to string up politicians and journalists, to eliminate anyone he disagrees with. You like his campaign for revolution?
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January 5, 2011 8:13pm
MyNameIsJack

Perhaps KK, you can tell me the difference between Mumtaz Qadri and Scott Roeder.

Just. tell. The. Truth.
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January 5, 2011 8:13pm
Johnboy

‘We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.’”

Why bother with the causalities and the selection process involved? Rephrase it to.

“We should nuke their countries and kill them all”.
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January 5, 2011 8:14pm
Kris K

Pete George 7:53 pm,

Good to see you expanding your horizons, Pete – if you read enough posts and comments at Crusader Rabbit & TrueBlueNZ you MAY even eventually improve your comprehension abilities … we live in hope and a belief that miracles are still possible even in this secular age.
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January 5, 2011 8:18pm
Redbaiter

If you weren’t totalitarian by nature Pete, you’d know that a bit of counter culture is no harm. We’re not to the hanging stage yet.
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January 5, 2011 8:20pm
MyNameIsJack

Perhaps KK, you can tell me the difference between Mumtaz Qadri and Scott Roeder.

Nope. Didn’t think so.
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January 5, 2011 8:22pm
Johnboy

You know you are doing something right when the opposition (even if they are doddering old farts) read your blog Red. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 8:24pm
Redbaiter

Why don’t you tell us the difference between a cultural Marxist like you and a totalitarian?
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January 5, 2011 8:24pm
Pete George

Have you decided not to push that line at the moment Red? You have mentioned wanting to hang anyone you find disagreeable from lamp posts often enough in the past. And you have talked up armed insurrection, like KK. Entrenched religious intolerance of anyone you don’t like.

You accusing someone of having totalitarian traits is like Phil Goff accusing someone of having poll problems.
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January 5, 2011 8:25pm
Redbaiter

“You know you are doing something right when the opposition (even if they are doddering old farts) read your blog Red.”

You ought to see some of the hate messages they leave there. Old MNIJ is especially prolific.
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January 5, 2011 8:26pm
Johnboy

Simple Red.

The cultural Marxist like Petty has fuck all money and is hoping to get shit loads once his mob take over become totalitarians and shoot the rich. 🙂

Ask me another. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 8:28pm
Kris K

Johnboy 8:14 pm,

“We should nuke their countries and kill them all”

Perhaps, Johnboy, Pete is volunteering for the role of ambassador to the Muslim world, and he’ll go and reason with the Islamists? While the result wouldn’t be quite as quick are your suggestion, I imagine after several months Pete would have bored them all to death.
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January 5, 2011 8:29pm
Redbaiter

Pete you wouldn’t have a fucking clue what anyone was saying you blabbering time wasting bandwidth wasting nitwit. 8582 posts of worthless shit in two years. Fucking hopeless.
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January 5, 2011 8:30pm
Put it away

” Shark sighted at Wellingtons Lyall Bay. That’s good news… the sewerage must have cleared.

So, if the coast is clear, should we ask Turiana and Hone to go swimming? 🙂 ”

Nah if the sewerage has only just cleared, let’s not spoil it again.
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January 5, 2011 8:31pm
Johnboy

I suspect after a few days of Petty’s doddering marxist rantings they would quietly behead him in his sleep and blame it on the SAS. 🙂

We would all grieve of course. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 8:33pm
Pete George

Redbaiter, you’re so predictable, always reverts to abuse when your your position is indefensible – which is most of the time.

Kris, are you volunteering to “invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity”? There’s more Catholics than any other Christians, would you rather they did it for you?
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January 5, 2011 8:38pm
Johnboy

Now your talking Petty. A bloody crusade turning into a world war.

Just what we need to get the wheels of industry turning again.

I like your thinking my man.

Very capitalistic for a leftie. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 8:41pm
tom hunter

I have been addressing nothing but Kris’s assertion that all Muslims are murderers waiting to happen. I did not lump you in with his absolutism;

Really? Because the very next thing you write is…

you (apparently) leapt to its defence.

Why that’s so disingenuous a slur as to be cute! Well played sir.
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January 5, 2011 8:49pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (12,618) Says:

January 5th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
“You know you are doing something right when the opposition (even if they are doddering old farts) read your blog Red.”

You ought to see some of the hate messages they leave there. Old MNIJ is especially prolific.

Once again, liar.

Post ’em if you’ve got ’em.
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January 5, 2011 8:49pm
Kris K

Johnboy 8:41 pm,

Now your talking Petty. A bloody crusade turning into a world war.
Just what we need to get the wheels of industry turning again.

Given that the West is heading into possibly the worst depression in recent history, and that WWII followed on the heels of the Great Depression of the 30s, then perhaps we’re about due for WWIII. And especially when you start factoring in the Globalists’ and Islamists’ agendas …

Lock and load, boys!
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January 5, 2011 8:50pm
MyNameIsJack

Good ole Kris Klux Klan, running away from the question.

Unable, or unwuilling, to show the difference between Mumtaz Qadri and Scott Roeder.

why. KKK? Why?

Because Roeder is on your team and he is as big an arsehole as Qadri?
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January 5, 2011 8:50pm
reid

Detroit in decline:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit
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January 5, 2011 8:59pm
Johnboy

“Lock and load, boys!”

To be honest Kris I suspect WW11 was really a continuation of unfinished business from 1918. The Versailles treaty created the sore and the depression just inflamed it.

The Marshall plan with help from the nuclear deterrent stopped that happening again for 65 years so far but it is in our nature to be combative.

Shortage of resources spurred by the madmen of the Asiatic races will start the next one.

As long as they keep it up north it may be to our advantage as long as we have a big friend, something that the lefties think we don’t need in the fools paradise they exist in.
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January 5, 2011 9:01pm
Kris K

Whenever MyNameIsLegion starts talking I’m never sure which personality I’m dealing with …
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January 5, 2011 9:02pm
Put it away

MyBrainOnCrack – “show the difference between Mumtaz Qadri and Scott Roeder.”

The main difference is that Roeder was a schizophrenic not taking meds, which requires a PC crim-cuddler such as yourself to feel sorry for the poor widdle darling and make him a nice cup of tea and tell him how it’s all somebody else’s fault. Rich pricks, probably. Or does the milk of human kindness not flow when the nutter has a loony mission you disagree with?
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January 5, 2011 9:11pm
tom hunter

The point Ryan has been trying to get across is that the vast majority of Muslims show no evidence of acting on the sleeper terrorist-in-waiting label that Fletch and Kris keep going on about.

And the point I have been trying to get across is that concepts such as vast majority and tiny minority are ridiculous argumentative debating terms in the context of said tiny minority still being big enough to cause serious problems in the West. Given that it already has done so it’s amazing that this simple fact has to continue to be pointed out – but that’s cognitive dissonance for you. In short, accepting that point would make yours irrelevant – and you’re not about to let go of that warm feeling the words “vast majority” give you.

Still, I realise that as long as there is a vast majority vs. a tiny minority you’ll feel comfortable and unworried…

Tom, I see more threat to us here from wankers trying to talk up revolution and violence in NZ.
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Local zealots trying to incite nutters are more of a potential ongoing threat.

Wait! What?
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January 5, 2011 9:12pm
Kris K

Johnboy 9:01 pm,

Shortage of resources spurred by the madmen of the Asiatic races will start the next one.

You could be right, too.
Although the way China’s gearing up, and with its interest in buying up New Zealand farms, etc, and with Australia’s vast mineral wealth, I think they may also have eyes on Australasia being their southern hemisphere base in the event of a World War. When I mentioned the Globalists and the Islamists earlier I should probably have added the Communists – especially communist China, and likely some expression of interest from the old USSR.

Interesting times – times when a “big friend” never goes amiss.
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January 5, 2011 9:19pm
reid

Tom you’re quite right a very small cell could cause immense damage that’s absolutely the fact.

However what Fletch and Kris go on and on and on and on and (sorry) on and on and on and on and on about (imagine what it’s like being in the debate with them) is the general population dynamics of having Muslims in the community in the first place. Because they, apparently, see potential terrorists all over the place, everywhere. In the supermarket, in the dairy, in the butcher, particularly halal, on the bus, in the train, every single place you go there’s a Muslim just waiting to leap up and cut your throat as he loudly shouts ‘Allahu Akbar’ and his womenfolk do that ghastly ‘ulululuuing’ thing they do.

They don’t seem to understand you see, that not every single Muslim is in fact a terrorist and not even a potential terrorist and the terrible thing is they seem to have no recognition of the fact that the very best way to in fact bring about that outcome is for everyone to behave in exactly the way they are behaving. And aren’t they therefore just great big sillies is my private thought to myself about that.
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January 5, 2011 9:24pm
Ryan Sproull

Have you got my favourite yet, Ryan?

“In Diana Jones and the Temple of Poon”

Oh, how I wish I thought of that one.

I considered that, Adze, but wasn’t sure how to tone it down for a “less ambitious” title.

I had, for example, “Adequate Will Humping” and “Nineteen-Eating-Three (I Like Big Lover)”.

It’s a delicate balancing act.
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January 5, 2011 9:27pm
Ryan Sproull

In retrospect, I could have gone with “I Love Medium-sized Brother”.
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January 5, 2011 9:28pm
Kris K

Reid 9:24 pm,

They don’t seem to understand you see, that not every single Muslim is in fact a terrorist and not even a potential terrorist and the terrible thing is they seem to have no recognition of the fact that the very best way to in fact bring about that outcome is for everyone to behave in exactly the way they are behaving.

Riiiight, so let me get this straight, Reid.
People like me and Fletch are obviously wrong about the vast bulk of Muslims … BUT … if we carry on the way we are we will invoke Islamic aggression/terror (presumably from the vast bulk of Muslims) … and therefore such acts of Islamic aggression will not be the fault of the perpetrators, but RATHER the fault of those who dared to incite them in the first place.

You remind me of the typical cry of the Islamists themselves:
“Islam is a religion of peace … and if you deny this truth we’ll kill you”.

I guess I better start apologising in advance for the next Islamist terror plot – it’s obviously my fault, afterall.
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January 5, 2011 9:39pm
Johnboy

Perhaps if we all became Muslim then the peace loving Islamic people would stop killing us?
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January 5, 2011 9:43pm
Redbaiter

Reid, any comments on Muslims in Paris?

http://jbpaz101.blogspot.com/2010/09/islamization-of-paris-streets.html
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January 5, 2011 9:44pm
Johnboy

Now shall we become Sunni or Shite?

Oh Shite! 🙂
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January 5, 2011 9:44pm
Luc Hansen

Now Australia has a Muslim in its cricket team!

I guess the game is over, guys. Time to concede defeat and move on to the next challenge – like, how many wives can I afford?
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January 5, 2011 9:50pm
Kris K

Johnboy,

You reminded me of the Muslim weather report:
Partly sunni, but mainly shi’ite.
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January 5, 2011 9:51pm
Johnboy

I suggest you marry Ewe’s Luc. They are cheaper to keep than Wimmin and fit in well with Islamic tradition when no Camels are available. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 9:54pm
Kris K

Johnboy 9:43 pm,

Perhaps if we all became Muslim then the peace loving Islamic people would stop killing us?

The trouble is, Johnboy, when they’re not killing the Jew, the Christian, or the infidel, they’re killing each other. So even if the entire world was Islamified, the violence and killing wouldn’t stop. Think Iran-Iraq war.

[Not that I need to tell you – for the benefit of the useful idiot appeasers]
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January 5, 2011 9:57pm
reid

Riiiight, so let me get this straight, Reid.

OK Kris. So the straight fact is that the Muslim population in NZ as far as I know hasn’t yet committed a terrorist act, it hasn’t yet demanded that Christians stop ringing their church bells on Sunday, it doesn’t broadcast the call to prayer however many times daily they have a wont to do, it doesn’t demand special political or social treatment in anyway whatsoever and has never done and I don’t know, what do you reckon, let’s say we have 100,000 here right here right now.

I’m just not seeing the problem Kris.

Or do I have to wait. OK, well while I’m waiting for critical mass to develop before they start introducing Sharia Law, perhaps sometimes between now and the time that happens, preferably before you retire tonight, you could answer this: if every one of us believed as you did toward Muslims and we had Muslims living amongst us, how would that sit with your values?
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January 5, 2011 9:58pm
Johnboy

Yes Kris. As I said “Oh Shite”

Do you think Luc would like me to outfit his many wives in suitable wedding attire?
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January 5, 2011 10:00pm
reid

Reid, any comments on Muslims in Paris?

RB, my standard question on Muslims in Europe generally, is why have their own politicians allowed this to happen to their own citizens. And personally I have several answers for that but what do you think?
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January 5, 2011 10:02pm
Johnboy

Maybe we have had a temporary reprieve on your scenario reid.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4483453/Divisive-imam-leaves-NZ-denying-he-preached-jihad
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January 5, 2011 10:03pm
reid

You think this is a common thing Johnboy? You think its insidiiously creeping into the fabric? Seriously?

If so, what is the best possible strategy with which to attack it?

Is it not, tear the carpet up, and expose the bugs: i.e. isolate them, and kill them.

Way to do that, is to get the whole community on your side, in genuine, not bullshit, partnership, all the time. Then they expose the bad ones, for you.

Appreciate many Muslim people haven’t been bought up in NZ these days. So what? Neither have lots and lots and lots and lots of others.
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January 5, 2011 10:08pm
Put it away

Luc Hands-on – “I guess the game is over, guys. Time to concede defeat and move on to the next challenge – like, how many wives can I afford?”

Looking forward to the day that when you “accidentally” grope some girl on the bus, her testimony in court would be legally worth 1/4 of yours?
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January 5, 2011 10:14pm
Johnboy

Sorry reid but the only way to kill a cancer is to cut it out and in doing so you have to take some of the healthy tissue around it as well.

We have to get rid of all Muslims in NZ simple as that. Deport them to countries that share their faith.

Why would a devout Muslim wish to come here and then complain that we should change our ways to suit his faith unless his aim was to eventually submit us all to Islam.
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January 5, 2011 10:14pm
Luc Hansen

As I have said before, step one is to pull our armies out of Muslim lands.

Then just leave them alone to sort themselves out, and write cheques for their oil for as long as we need to buy it – hopefully, not much longer, if we want our civilisation to survive.
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January 5, 2011 10:17pm
Put it away

Red Reid, any comments on Muslims in Paris? http://jbpaz101.blogspot.com/2010/09/islamization-of-paris-streets.html

Now would be a good time to invent a “traditional” Parisian ceremony of driving a bulldozer down particular streets on a Friday.
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January 5, 2011 10:18pm
Kris K

Reid obviously won’t be happy until New Zealand has the same Muslim problems as Paris does (as outlined in Red’s 9:44 pm link).

You may as well say there’s no Muslim problem on the moon, Reid – but only because there are no Muslims there. You really do live in la la land.

And by the way, I think you’ll find that the FIRST hijacking of a plane in NZ was carried out by a Muslim woman. And Muslim MP Ashraf Choudery has already called for the cross atop a certain clock-tower to not be reinstated after routine maintenance.
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January 5, 2011 10:18pm
Luc Hansen

How can the University of Auckland continue to employ Chris de Freitas? He must be a huge embarassment!

He calls himself a climate scientist, but his arguments are non-science and risible.

Will someone please point him to http://www.skepticalscience.com/
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January 5, 2011 10:23pm
Luc Hansen

KK, the first hijacking was indeed carried out by a Muslim, but not because she was Muslim. So her religion is a red herring.

And I agreed with Ashraf Choudray about the cross.

We live in a secular society and religion is meant to be a private and personal business, right?
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January 5, 2011 10:29pm
Johnboy

Ashraf Choudray actually called for something! He actually made a statement.

A miracle!

I wonder how his Skycity shares are doing.

Got a special dispensation from Allah to buy those I guess. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 10:35pm
reid

Why would a devout Muslim wish to come here and then complain that we should change our ways to suit his faith unless his aim was to eventually submit us all to Islam.

Johnboy I think you’re conflating a religious human being for a fanatic who is willing to die for a cause.

The fact people do things in the name of Islam and the fact the Koran and Islamic philosophy has strands in it which can be interpreted as encouraging that, is not significant and the reason is you could paint Christianity in exactly precisely the same way if you wished to – as a religion. Fact is, I could paint Paul, the greatest Christian Missionary who ever lived, as a murderous thug, were I Satan.

You can do it, to any religion.

Now, as to the people who worship that religion, that’s a different matter,

Christians aren’t Muslims, in terms of genetics and temperament because of the geography and gene pools. The Caucasian versus Asian versus Arabic genetic pools.

And that’s what they’ve done in the media, is conflate the religion with the temperament of a people, and melded them together into a story. For most Arabic and the more extreme Asian temperament is such as to be inflamed by the natural reaction of us, to stories of their religious zealotry.

BTW Kris, if every one of us believed as you did toward Muslims and we had Muslims living amongst us, how would that sit with your values?
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January 5, 2011 10:36pm
Johnboy

Its a fine line between a religious human being and a fanatic reid. It doesn’t take much to turn one into the other whatever the religion (you don’t have to dig to deep to find it here). 🙂

I’m a realist. I don’t believe in fine words or ardent promises. If I perceive a threat I prefer to act rather than react.

You may make all the apologies you like for Muslims but I see them as a threat to our way of life and a risk we don’t need to tolerate.

As far as I am concerned they bring no good to this country and they should all be deported to whatever Islamic nation they choose where they can pursue their religion as and when they see fit without inconveniencing us.
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January 5, 2011 10:49pm
nickb

Another example that Islam is the religion of peace:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12116764
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January 5, 2011 10:50pm
Kris K

Reid 10:36 pm,

Kris, if every one of us believed as you did toward Muslims and we had Muslims living amongst us, how would that sit with your values?

If everyone believed as I did … we wouldn’t have non-assimilating Muslims in NZ. The only way a Muslim would get into NZ would be if he fully renounced Islamism … that would sit very well with my values.

Night all – done my dash for the day in Kiwiblog land (or whatever alternative universe this is).
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January 5, 2011 10:51pm
nickb

Oh and reid thats for the photo link, I find the decline of Detroit to be truly fascinating. I would love to go over there on a photography trip someday.

Have you watched the BBC documentary “Requiem for Detroit”?
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January 5, 2011 10:55pm
Nomestradamus

Luc Hansen:

You seem to wear the “hands-on” label as a badge of honour.

Which begs the question: do you still stand by this comment?

Luc Hansen (2,282) Says:

June 30th, 2010 at 8:44 am
IV2 @ 8.18

I find this report truly disturbing. What sort of level of “groping” earns a strike? What man hasn’t “groped” sometime? Like late in the night at a party, during a kiss under the mistletoe at a company bash, brushing past a hot babe in a bar and giving her left buttock a light pinch…even rubbing “inappropriately” while dancing.

While I agree with Murray’s (above) general sentiment, I do think it’s a matter of degree and environment.

If my wife was subjected, for example, to a drunken grope, depending on the actual circumstances and given the serious consequences now awaiting the offender if convicted, I would be loath to press charges, whereas before I would have happily agreed to the guy getting a wake up from the courts.

I wonder if the victim understood that this conviction could result in this person’s future long term incarceration for perhaps relatively minor offences, which may include the inevitable miscarriages of justice?

Hmmm?
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January 5, 2011 10:59pm
Johnboy

Night Kris. Likewise.

Night all.

Night Grandma. 🙂
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January 5, 2011 11:00pm
Hurf Durf

As I have said before, step one is to pull our armies out of Muslim lands.

Bitch, please. There weren’t any pre-2001. Didn’t satisfy your Resistance friends then, wouldn’t satisfy them now.

omfg Peter Williams said “nigger” on TV. SACK HIM NOW.

Nomestradamus: no wonder he’s got eight kids! He’s got something of the Assange about him.
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January 5, 2011 11:07pm
reid

Cheers nickb.

Johnboy and Kris and Fletch, goodnight and far thee well and would appreciate discussing more at a later time.
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January 5, 2011 11:10pm
Luc Hansen

Nomestradamus

Absolutely I stand by that. It’s honest comment, in context.

And for true and honest debate, context is important.

You will notice, for example, that I have called for Assange to return to Sweden to face his accusers over a relatively minor charge (the penalty is a fine, at most).

Any chance that you can engage in substance, for a change?
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January 5, 2011 11:14pm
Luc Hansen

More Hurf Durf crap:

There weren’t any pre-2001

You need to read a little bit of history instead of doing drugs, poor boy.

Our involvement with subjugating the ME began in 1916 with the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided up Arab/Muslim lands before they were even conquered, and never ended, whether through overt or covert operations.

Pull the troops, pay for the oil (even better, go post-oil real quick), and leave them alone.

What’s your problem with that?
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January 5, 2011 11:27pm
Hurf Durf

You need to read a little bit of history instead of doing drugs, poor boy.

Alright then, enlighten me. Tell me what divisions stationed in what countries and what commanders there were directing these occupations.

Unless you’re just being obtuse again.

Our involvement with subjugating the ME began in 1916 with the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided up Arab/Muslim lands before they blah blah blah.

Thought so.

Reality 87, Luc Hansen 0.
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January 5, 2011 11:39pm
Nomestradamus

Luc Hansen:

And for true and honest debate, context is important.

Yes, context is important. I could easily have quoted you as saying “What man hasn’t “groped” sometime?” and left it at that, but I didn’t, did I? Instead, I quoted your comment in its surrounding context, and asked if you still stand by it six months later. I was curious to know if your position had changed, as the “hands-on” label seems to have, er, stuck ever since you made that comment.

You will notice, for example, that I have called for Assange to return to Sweden to face his accusers over a relatively minor charge (the penalty is a fine, at most).

Actually, I have a life outside of Kiwiblog, so I don’t read everything that you say. But I’ve just done a quick targeted google search and found this comment:

Luc Hansen (2,288) Says:

December 21st, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Since we eagerly lap up the Wikileaks leaks, I take it we are all contributing Assange’s defence fund?

I must admit, I would prefer him top go back to Sweden for his questioning session (and it’s only a case of his word against theirs, and it’s only a misdemeanor) but we all know the US is gunning for him so maybe he is better off where he is. I don’t know.

But I do know all you who use and enjoy the results of his work and his courage and don’t donate to keep him going are hypocrites, writ large!

Read in its surrounding context, I think that’s a fairly qualified statement, which makes your characterisation of it above misleading. As you say, for true and honest debate, context is important.

By the way, I’m not sure if your position on criminality is consistent, as I’ve also seen another comment from you supporting Wikileaks supporters’ DOS attacks on Visa.com (“Bloody good job,” you said). Perhaps you could clarify when you think someone should be charged, if not a drunken groper, and if not a misguided computer nerd?
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January 5, 2011 11:51pm
reid

…I’ve just done a quick targeted google search and found this comment

Is this how the really good lawyers win their cases or is that just a simplified version for the audience at home?
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January 5, 2011 11:58pm
Nomestradamus

Reid:

Huh?

The purpose of doing a targeted Google search was to find a comment that Luc Hansen said he’d made. I initially was going to say “I haven’t seen that comment (which isn’t to say it doesn’t exist)” but then I decided to go looking for it.

I can assure you that the really good lawyers (your words) do Very Important Things, none of which have anything to do with targeted Google searches!
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January 6, 2011 12:06am
reid

Really? Bugger. It’s just I’m quite good with Google so was wondering how long it would take.. never mind.
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January 6, 2011 12:14am
Nomestradamus

Reid:

Oh goodness, you sound so disappointed.

Perhaps this suggestion will help: you could invest in a caselaw database and put your Google skills to good use. Who knows what gold nuggets you might find and share with the Kiwiblog community? 🙂
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January 6, 2011 12:25am
Guy Fawkes

So, in the olden days when the Socialists were in Government in Italy, their leader Bettino Craxi went on a state visit to China. His aide pointed out that in China they were all Socialists. To whom he replied: “But if they’re all Socialists, who do they steal from?”

This joke cost the (left leaning) comedian who uttered it a 10-year ban from Italian TV.
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January 6, 2011 2:46am
Pete George

Mission impossible…

Kris K (3,475) Says:
January 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

The only “safe” Muslim is one who has left Islam; one who has fully renounced its teachings, its prophet, and its false god – IMHO.

I have a certain amount of sympathy with Ann Coulter’s view:

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.”

Was Coulter one of GW’s advisers?

Any obviously impossible aim anyway, but just say it was achievable, what then? If all the world were Christians, could anyone seriously believe that there would be no disputes, disagreements, rivalries? No crime, no fighting, no wars, no shite? Wan’t WW I mostly Christian versus Christian? And much of WW II.

KK has already stated he not only wants everyone to be Christians but not just any old Christian, he wants Christians to all be his version of “ideal” Christian. That’s a version that wants to kill off anyone who disagrees. If JC could see what was being suggested in his name he would turn in his grave.
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January 6, 2011 6:58am
tom hunter

Because they, apparently, see potential terrorists all over the place, everywhere. In the supermarket, in the dairy, in the butcher, particularly halal, on the bus, in the train, every single place you go there’s a Muslim just waiting to leap up and cut your throat as he loudly shouts ‘Allahu Akbar’

I wonder how many of the families of the dead Fort Hood soldiers would accept that sort of suspicion in a heartbeat if it meant their loved ones could be with them today:

You didn’t have to be “alert” to spot Maj. Nidal Hasan. He’d spent most of the past half-decade walking around with a big neon sign on his head saying “JIHADIST. STAND WELL BACK.”

But we (that’s to say, almost all of us; and certainly almost anyone who matters in national security and the broader political culture) are now reflexively conditioned to ignore the flashing neon sign. Like those apocryphal Victorian ladies discreetly draping the lasciviously curved legs of their pianos, if a glimpse of hard unpleasant reality peeps through we simply veil it in another layer of fluffy illusions.

But hey – maybe somebody finally did look at him sideways on that fateful day. I hope they’ve had time to reflect on their error – assuming they survived of course.

….they seem to have no recognition of the fact that the very best way to in fact bring about that outcome is for everyone to behave in exactly the way they are behaving.

Ryan made the same argument some months ago during another tangle with Kris K – self-fulfilling prophecies and all that. The next thing you know people like me will be getting blamed for Darryl Harris committing crimes as a result of losing his benefit. Interesting that a right-winger would subscribe – only in this argument apparently – to such a leftist linkage of cause and effect.

The thing is I doubt that one person in a thousand in the West during the 1990’s ever gave a thought to Muslims or Islamist terrorism, let alone went around seeing potential terrorists everywhere. Yet that genial ignorance did not prevent the African embassy bombings in 1998 or the 9/11 attacks.

But then I also realize that my argument will be considered irrelevant to people who assign the responsibility for the 9/11 attacks not to Islamist terrorists but to….. other actors.
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January 6, 2011 8:26am
iMP

Yeah, and look at the hoo-hah against Bill O’Reilly on “the View” wid Whoopi Goldburg walkin’ out SIMPLY because BO said “Muslims killed us in 9/11” when he should have said (Lib-speak) “Extremists.” The BIG prob for the West in the immediate future is, how can we all tell? The real onus is on Moderate Muslims to fight back and reclaim the public arena. Where are their intellectuals and academics voicing protest?

If they don’t, we’ll reach a point politically in the West enacting ghastly generalised anti-Muslim laws and restrictions simply to protect Western culture (ala France anti-Burkha, and Germany expelling Turks).
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