General Debate 1 January 2012

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Other_Andy

Griff

Here are 900+ Peer-Reviewed Papers that do not support AGW or are skeptical of AGW

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Probably not to your liking either.
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January 2, 2012 12:43am
Yoza

Its really not that difficult.

This planet, relatively speaking, is a closed system.

Its resources are finite; as is its capacity for dealing with the waste created from the exploitation of those resources.

We are approaching a confluence of crises which, in and of themselves would be disastrous, but as a combined event have the potential to be catastrophic. Ignoring an increasing occurrence of lethal events, events which are the direct consequence of an economic model that puts short term corporate profits ahead of any other consideration, in all probability could have cataclysmic outcomes for humanity as a viable species.

If humanity can be thought of as a single living organism (and that organisms purpose is to persevere and thrive), then it must find a way to eliminate toxic mutations that threaten its survival; the most threatening contemporary toxic mutation is the 1% and their necessarily manufactured illusions. The denial of climate change as a consequence of human activity is but one manifestation of those illusions.
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January 2, 2012 1:41am
Griff

So smart you guys you “know”the science better than the experts
As I said dodgey links and pr drivel
The dead giveaway is always shift the goal posts
you wiki good
I wiki bad,
co2 good, its not happening, it is but is not that bad, its natural, its the sun cycle, CERN disproved it ,its a conspiracy to form a world government. drivel for useful idiots

AGW
its the scientific consensus
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January 2, 2012 2:19am
Fletch

This post by John O’Sullivan debunks the ‘arctic is melting’ narrative.
As he says – go to the link at Cryosphere Today – it shows the ice coverage on dates you can enter.
He compares a date from 1980 with one in 2010 and there is no change in sea ice concentrations (purple)

Arctic ice is not melting. I’ve always loved the ‘cryosphere today’ site as linked above by Igor. Whenever someone wants to tell me that the Arctic is nearly melted away I send to them this link because it allows you to make any image comparison of satellite images you like – try it. But remember, for fair comparison stick to the same day and month but see the changes on the same day for 5, 10, 20 or 30 years before.

Look here and learn, alarmists, use your eyes and see how you’ve been lied to by the media, junk scientists and self-serving politicians. I’ve picked January 10, 2010 to compare with the same day in 1980 – see anything unusual? >>>

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=10&fy=1980&sm=01&sd=10&sy=2010

The liars are exposed – crooks like Al Gore keep telling you the Arctic has already melted by 60% ( total lie) and will be gone in 5, 10, or 15 years. All bogus! Use the cryosphere today site to prove what Lord Monckton has been saying is true. For example Monckton said the Arctic lost 25% of its ice for a few weeks only, in September 2007. But by September 2008, almost half of the missing ice had returned. By September 2009, nearly all of it had returned. It fluctuates because it moves due to changes in wind patterns. It melts then refreezes – check it for yourself and see! We know that the temporary loss of late-summer sea ice at the minimum in September 2007 was not caused by “global warming” for three reasons. First, the climate of the Arctic is known to be highly volatile: it was actually warmer in the 1930s than it is today. Secondly, a paper by NASA in 2008 attributed the disappearance of the sea ice the previous summer to unusually strong northbound currents and winds from the Tropics that had very little to do with “global warming”. Thirdly, just three weeks after the 28-year Arctic sea-ice minimum, the Antarctic sea ice – which had been growing steadily – reached a 28-year maximum.
Have fun looking! It’s very educational.
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January 2, 2012 6:23pm

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