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philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-bomber-bradbury-has-some-timelyappropriate-advice-for-both-the-labour-party-and-the-greens/

bradbury:..”…With the Greens ruling out working with National –

– David Shearer should seize the moment now –

– and call on the Greens to meet and work out what policy they can agree on –

– and how they can assist each other in the election –

– rather than vote split electorate seats…”

(ed:..one of the horror stories for me from the last election was how even a cursory glance at the electorate stats shows how labour and the greens ate each other…

..(and the dumb/stupid/self-defeating votes made by supporters of both parties..)

..and in the process the progressive-parties let national cruise thru the middle…

..and win the election..

..a combination of mutual take-no-prisoners..and a puzzling reluctance from/by both the greens and labour to tell/show their supporters how to tactically vote..

(a reluctance..as far as i can ascertain..that also stems from some warped sense of ‘fairness/playing the game’..(!)

..which for the life of me..i cannot understand..)

..as a slightly harder look at those stats reveal that had labour and the greens played-together/in mutual interest..

..they would now be the government..both now..and for the forseeable future…

..and that just leaves the question..(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 8:25am
philu

(and this is trans-ideological:…a shout-out to all glasses-wearers..!..good/great-news to hand..!..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/empower-smartglasses-the-glasses-that-change-prescription/

“..If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, a lot of boomers are going to see the latest product from PixelOptics as a pretty beautiful innovation.

The Roanoke, Va.-based company is bringing smartphone technology to eyeglasses – allowing users to change prescriptions with a quick swipe or touch to the temple.

The emPower glasses even plug in so the internal battery can charge overnight.

As opposed to old-school bifocals or semi-new-school progressive lenses –

– emPower glasses let wearers switch focus according to distances – and can even toggle automatically for varied-distance activities such as playing golf or climbing stairs…”

(ed:..woo-hoo..!..eh..?..brothers and sisters in spectacle-hood..!..how cool is that..!..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 8:34am
big bruv

Well that’s the GD thread stuffed for the day…
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April 14, 2012 8:36am
Steve

General Debate is buggered
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April 14, 2012 8:38am
thedavincimode

“It is not hard to attain real nothingness”

Aplogies to Tetsuzan Shinagawa.
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April 14, 2012 8:38am
mikenmild

Another loss for the Blues; thought they looked a bit more likely at times, but sometimes when you’re on a bad run nothing goes right.
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April 14, 2012 8:41am
joana

Does anyone know much about Anne Tolley’s Corrections Amendment bill?
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April 14, 2012 8:55am
Nostalgia-NZ

big bruv
8.36

Don’t be so positive.
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April 14, 2012 8:57am
Nostalgia-NZ

mikenmild (3,626) Says:
April 14th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Another loss for the Blues; thought they looked a bit more likely at times, but sometimes when you’re on a bad run nothing goes right.

Too frenetic. Looking too much for one play to change the game instead of getting back to basics and building a platform, better to win ugly than to lose. I’m starting to think they need to return to a 10 man game, using a pivot employing a Grant Fox type game.
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April 14, 2012 9:01am
holysheet

At the risk of inviting all the weirdos on KB to vilify me for daring to ask this question, here goes:

Why does philu write such dribble in such an incomprehensible, unreadable manner. I never even read what he writes because it is just a load of shit not worthy of my time.
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April 14, 2012 9:12am
SalParadise

I hate the idea of the Greens and Labour encouraging their supporters to vote tactically, it just isn’t democracy. It would be better to see both Parties support preferential voting in the MMP review.

Re the Blue: Piri needs to be starting
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April 14, 2012 9:16am
philu

so..holysheet..yr question is more rhetorical..?..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 9:22am
philu

but sal paradise..had they voted tactically..

..today they would be the govt..

..(whether that thought pleases you or not is irrelevant..it is just a fact..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 9:24am
labours a joke

philwhore…the result of 2 cousins sleeping together.
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April 14, 2012 9:38am
virtualmark

philu

but sal paradise..had they voted tactically..

..today they would be the govt..

..(whether that thought pleases you or not is irrelevant..it is just a fact..)

Nope. If they had voted tactically then they might have picked up more electorate seats. Probably with the result that there’d be more Labour electorate MPs, but less Labour list MPs.

But parliament, and hence government, is driven by the list votes not the electorate votes. And I don’t see how or why the Greens and Labour could screw the scrum on the list votes.
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April 14, 2012 9:48am
Keeping Stock

We wonder how David Shearer and Grant Robertson are feeling today seeing Australian business leaders green with envy at NZ’s economic direction

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/new-zealand-envy.html
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April 14, 2012 9:52am
eszett

I hate the idea of the Greens and Labour encouraging their supporters to vote tactically, it just isn’t democracy.

Why exclude National and Act from that list, Sal? Epsom anyone?
Oh, right, it’s only bad when the left do it.

So why exactly is tactical voting bad? I would cast my vote so I get achieve the outcome that I think is best. How is that not democratic?
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April 14, 2012 9:56am
SalParadise

I don’t accept that as a fact. How does tactical voting take the Labour Greens forty-eight seats to sixty-one?
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April 14, 2012 10:01am
mikenmild

Like virtualmark said, it is the overall party votes that mean the most. At best, tactical voting gets a few other MPs in on the (pretty small) coat tails of poodles like Banks, Adnderton or Dunne
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April 14, 2012 10:06am
SalParadise

Eszett, I don’t exclude National and Act from that list. But Philu doesn’t make any mention of Act and National in his original post.

It isn’t only bad when the left do it, I am just more disappointed by it.

Why is it bad? I believe that you should vote for the party/person who best represents your beliefs/interests. When a Labour supporter is voting for the National candidate to prevent the Act candidate being elected it doesn’t sit well with me.

That is why I support repeal of the electorate seat threshold and preferential voting in electorate seats.
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April 14, 2012 10:12am
Pete George

In his sports column in the ODT Brent Edwards talks about “faceless critics and social media making life hell for rugby coaches” in relation to the disgraceful abuse of Pat Lam this week.

It’s a form of cowardice. How can you judge the merit, or otherwise, of someone’s opinion if you don’t know the person or their background?

But the personal and rascist abuse directed at Lam, and his family and players, has nothing to do with rugby and everything to do with people sniping away under cover of anonymity.

It’s an issue which should concern all New Zealanders. It’s time for the faceless critics to shut up or be held to account.

This isn’t about anonymity, even though it does aid some cretins. What is important is for the majority of decent people commenting online to stand up against it. Anonymous people can play as much a part in this as well as identifable people.

Speak up against abuse, personal attacks and online cowardice and it will be less of a problem.

Faceless critics and social media…
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April 14, 2012 10:14am
Viking2

Debasement of our tax base.

When will the Govt. close this loophole.
Either the Govt. should close the loophole or remove GST. That’s the ethical position.
That’s the position that is fair to NZer’s and NZ buisness.
Giving a free ride to oversea’s businesses at the expense of our own will just close down more businesses and jobs. More unemployment and so it goes. Unintended consequences, which it seems politicians are unable to understand.

But like old age pensions it will be in the to hard basket for these lazy pricks.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6741475/Trade-Me-global-deal-skips-GST
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April 14, 2012 10:24am
Put it away

holysheet – in phool’s weed-clouded, heroin-damaged and nutrient-deprived mind, he’s discovered a new improved way of writing English, which he is convinced is the way of the future. Not making that up, he’s actually stated that. And yet, after may years and many tens of thousands of posts in phoolspeak, across god knows how many forums, the total number of people, out of a world population of seven billion, who’ve looked at phool’s new improved English and decided that is a good idea with obvious advantages, and they have decided to use that style themselves, remains exactly zero. My estimate of the number of people who think he’s an unreadable fucking mong for writing like that, is about 7 billion.
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April 14, 2012 10:25am
Other_Andy

@PIA

Thanks for the laugh.
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April 14, 2012 10:46am
Monique Watson

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5122787/Army-reveal-new-tractor
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April 14, 2012 10:48am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-the-nation-a-review-2/

duncan garners’ political-summary of the week consisted of informing us that most politicians are off on holidays..

..(ed:..no warehousing of their children during school holidays ‘cos of work imperatives..eh..?..

..politicians’ holidays and school holidays are seamless..)

..what follows is an intelligent conversation on the need for overseeing of the dark art of lobbying..

..curran from labour..turei from the greens..and williams from new zealand first all make sense…and make the case for reform..

(with turei performing particularly well..)

cameron slater/whaleoil does a hatchet job on a p.r.person who moved from sky city to work for len brown..

(and slater cites the inclusion of a theatre in the convention centre plans as evidence of his dark-deeds..this theatre apparantly a sop to the likes of columnist rudman..and ‘the liberal elite’…)

then two practitioners of the dark art appeared to lobby against the bill..

..one of whom could hardly have been less condescending/patrician..

..(in the/a monty burns mould..)

..who started his piece by boasting how much power/influence over politicians he (a paid-for lobbyist) has..(!)

..and in doing so helped cement the case for reform..(cont..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 10:49am
joana

Phil,
It wasn’t Williams from NZ first , it was Denis O’Rourke.
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April 14, 2012 10:57am
philu

(thanks for the correction..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 14, 2012 10:59am
Viking2

Diane Smith’s serious fall in 2003 led to the amputation of her lower left leg six years later but she’s had a long battle for ACC entitlements. Photo / Brett Phibbs
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Diane Smith’s serious fall in 2003 led to the amputation of her lower left leg six years later but she’s had a long battle for

ACC case managers called a woman “completely deranged” and a “pain in arse person” as they discussed her case in internal emails.

Auckland amputee Diane Smith has received an apology from the Accident Compensation Corporation – her third in four years – but says she now considers ACC apologies worthless.

Case manager Lesley Wilson declared Mrs Smith’s claim “a NIGHTMARE!!”, while colleague Rachael Wilson wrote in March 2008 “this woman is completely deranged”.

“… she is a pain in arse person,” Ms Wilson said in an earlier email, which was part of a series of messages in which staffers mock Mrs Smith’s requests for assistance.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10798749

Said IT before and its needs REPEATING IN A LOUD MANNER.

ACC. NEEDS A CLEAN OUT FROM THE BOARD DOWN AND ITS NEEDS ITS A MUCH BETTER CUSTOMER FOCUS ENTRENCHED IN ITS CHARTER.

WE HAVE TO BE LEFT WONDERING HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF OTHER FILES CONTAIN THE SAME LANGUAGE.?
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April 14, 2012 11:04am
bereal

Memo to Pat Lam.

Wanna fix the Blues ?
Simple…
1.. gather up the whole pittiful useless squad.
2.. take them down to the barber.
3.. make them all get a normal fuken haircut.

Note. Check out the photo of these drongs on page B28 in todays Herald.
If these girls put in as much effort in training as they do preening their hair they might get a result.

i call it the Nonu syndrome.
(cute little beard though Ma’a, you might be hopeless, but you must be the prettyist cutie in the squad, you girl)
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April 14, 2012 11:15am
mikenmild

One of the problems for the Blues is that they picked up two players (Weepu and Nonu) who have a long history of pissing around in Super Rugby and stepping up enormously once they’re back in black. How to fix that…?
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April 14, 2012 11:17am
virtualmark

Viking2:

ACC. NEEDS A CLEAN OUT FROM THE BOARD DOWN AND ITS NEEDS ITS A MUCH BETTER CUSTOMER FOCUS ENTRENCHED IN ITS CHARTER.

WE HAVE TO BE LEFT WONDERING HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF OTHER FILES CONTAIN THE SAME LANGUAGE.?

Alternatively … they may be right. I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who’s had to have their leg amputated – that must be a terrible thing to have to go through. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility that ACC have done everything they reasonably should do for Diane Smith, and that she is indeed a pain in the arse.

ACC is an insurer. It’s not the fairy godmother. It’s job is to provide the support it’s contractually obliged to, up to the limits of the policy. It’s not there to act as a make-a-wish foundation for every one with a grudge.

If ACC have skimped on their duty to Diane Smith then they deserve to be raked over the coals. But that’s not to say they’ve met her every wish and desire.
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April 14, 2012 11:19am
trout

After having dealings with ACC (without problems) I can see there is a great deal of confusion in their minds and that of clients as to whether they are a welfare agency or an insurance company. Meddling by politicians has not helped; feel good extensions to ACC coverage has given the populus an enlarged sense of entitlement and a sense that because it is State backed ACC is capable of unlimited generosity. (Just like WINZ).
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April 14, 2012 11:30am
Keeping Stock

@ virtualmark – Viking only sees things in two colours; black and white 🙂
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April 14, 2012 11:34am
Longknives

The Blues are a pathetic joke- Their players and management can cry crocodile tears and howl “racism” when anyone dares to criticise them but at the end of the day this is merely a smokescreen for the fact they are lazy, underperforming Prima Donnas. There is more to being a professional sportsman than having a pretty haircut and a Twitter account…
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April 14, 2012 11:42am
virtualmark

bereal, milkenmild,

Seems to me there’s two models of rugby team … one model where you have a strong coach and strong disciplined team culture, and another model where you have player power, led by a few key “star” players, who think they run the team.

The Hurricanes has historically been the player power model, dating back to Tana Umaga’s time. Everyone loves him, but I think he’s responsible for the ‘canes going off the rails. I gather that Cooper never got on top of that “player power” culture. And lots of home-grown stars (Dagg etc) left rather than kow-tow to the “stars”. Hammett went head-to-head with the stars in a “this town ain’t big enough for both of us …” kind of manner. Now the pressure’s on him to prove he can make the other model work, and so far it looks okay … just watching from the stands you can clearly see the change in team culture.

I can’t help wondering if the Blues are where they are today because the players have got the upper hand over a less-dominant coach. It sure looks like they players aren’t playing for each other – heck it often looks like they haven’t even been introduced to each other. Looks like they need a coach who will come in and smack some heads together. Lam has to go. But I’d say a few star players have to be slaughtered too, pour encourager les autres.

But you can keep Ma’a. We don’t want him back.
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April 14, 2012 11:46am
bereal

mikenmild
Nonu is the biggest con in world rugby.
He is almost useless (did you ever see him make a tackle ? a decent tactical kick ?)

He cons his way into the Allblacks somehow and when surrounded by a world class team is set
up to make the odd decent run.

However, i will give him credit for being the lovellyist, cuteyist, eye made up, dreadlock adorned, coloured ribbon in the hair wearing girls blouse on the park.
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April 14, 2012 11:50am
barry

It was interesting listening to Laws yesterday where needless to say ther subject was the Big Blub by that wanker Pat Lam.
It was noticeable that several PI’s commented that the problem with PI’s was that “when we are up , we are up, but when we are down we are hopeless.”

Seems that maybe some of the comments directed at Lam have more than a ring of truth to them

Anyway – looks like Hammit (sp?) in wellington at the Hurricanes was right. Getting rid of that pofter Nonu and fat boy Wipu has ceratinly helped the Hurricanes and ruined the blues.

Hell – I just cant stand some big blouse getting on TV and blubbing because someone said something he didnt like. We really should go back to that ols saying: “sticks and stones will hurt your bones, but words will never hurt you”
If one akes that attitude then the best response from Lam would have been ‘Go screw’ – and then start calling himself a New Zealander and stop this PI crap.
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April 14, 2012 11:51am
wat dabney

ACC has a dreadful reputation amongst suppliers. The staff know they can be as arrogant as they like because they are a state monopoly.

Part of the reason state employees are so opposed to jobs cuts is that they know no one in the private sector wants to employ them.
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April 14, 2012 11:52am
Longknives

Well said Virtualmark- My footy team went out and watched those Hurricanes train once during the Umaga era…my god half the players strolled in late (looking hungover) and no-one was wearing team kit. They pretty much slacked around and did what they wanted, no intensity and not a hint of urgency or anything remotely resembling professionalism. I remember the boys laughing and noting that our club sessions were harder and more disciplined..
Also interesting to note that Hammett came in for a lot of nasty, often racially motivated and barbed comments (from Hurricanes fans and even a few players) when he did his ‘clean out’ last year…Yet he didn’t go blubbing to the cameras about it-just got on with the job of being a PROFESSIONAL sports coach…
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April 14, 2012 11:55am
mikenmild

Personally, I wouldn’t rate Hammett as a success or Lam as a failure just yet. It is always tempting to ascribe failure or success to a few factors. It seems pretty well established that when a team succeeeds it is because of the players and when iot fails it’s because of the coach.

The Hurricanes this year aren’t actually playing any different than what they have done since 1996. Often a culture or style develops in a team that simply doesn’t change, no matter who is in the side or coaching it.

Good coaches and players can fail; poor coaches and players can succeed. I shouldn’t really say ‘poor’ – at that level there aren’t really any bad players or coaches (except John Mitchell!).
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April 14, 2012 12:03pm
UpandComer

Yeah have to admit it is very telling how well the Hurricanes are doing now that Weepu and Nonu are gone. Wellington have always had acres of talent but could never win anything. I remember Norm Hewitt saying in his biography that you have to coach the brown boys with a bit more lassitude and let them play. Well, it’s hard to let em play when they are overweight like Weepu. Seems like something has been rotten with wellington for a long time and now it is getting cleaned out by Hammett. And good on him, he is obviously doing a great job there. I think wellington can be seen for what it is with the state of it’s sevens teams. They are always completely hopeless.

Gosh I wonder what Philu would do without kiwiblog. The poor man would be utterly bereft of purpose
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April 14, 2012 12:04pm
mikenmild

I wouldn’t rave too much yet about the Hurricanes. I had the misfortune of going to see their effort against the Cheetahs two weeks ago. It was embarrassing.
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April 14, 2012 12:25pm
Viking2

virtualmark (1,201) Says:
April 14th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Alternatively … they may be right. I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who’s had to have their leg amputated – that must be a terrible thing to have to go through. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility that ACC have done everything they reasonably should do for Diane Smith, and that she is indeed a pain in the arse.

ACC is an insurer. It’s not the fairy godmother. It’s job is to provide the support it’s contractually obliged to, up to the limits of the policy. It’s not there to act as a make-a-wish foundation for every one with a grudge.

If ACC have skimped on their duty to Diane Smith then they deserve to be raked over the coals. But that’s not to say they’ve met her every wish and desire.

ACC is an accident compensation corporation with statuary roles. Its has a culture of them and us , us being the payer for their services. If they don’t wish to provide the services as required then remove our compulsory funding and let them wither and die.
I have seen so many people beaten up by thier attitudes. I now consider them not normal people to deal with.

They are not an insurer as such but use a faulty insurance model to fund their ongoing customer requirements. That it is run by insurers is probably the problem. Had they simply been funded as they go and not been required to fund businesses overseas and in NZ by owing shares and other equities to bolster their payments then we would have a better proposition. One wonders why the need to invest our money this way probably paying hefty fees in the process and losing money on the investments.

Its a typical lefty fuckup. Lefties being people who know fuck all about customers.

But my point in posting above really was that there is a bad culture amoung their staff that they are so dumb and fucking stoopid that they write emails containing the kind of derogatory terms that these two did.
Its symtomatic of the organisation as these things always are. Given we have had a number of cases like this and more that are apparently covered up then everyone should ask for their full files and we could then see just how bad the culture is. I have no doubt that my name is balcklisted for helping others.
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April 14, 2012 12:27pm
mikenmild

I agree V2. It’s reasonably common in my experience for workers to grumble about the odd difficult customer. It’s more concerning that they would write emails in such terms – that to me is a sure indication of a bad attitude.
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April 14, 2012 12:31pm
grumpyoldhori

Brown coaches are kind and understanding and never demand much of their players, fuck, some one had better tell Joseph he has got it wrong.
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April 14, 2012 12:55pm
barry

Joseph is a maori – not a PI.

Some maori are as mentaly weak as PI’s – but a good proportion of them are hard working people who understand the need to get on with it – Joseph is one of these. Dont take any shit and set some rules and make them real.
I guess weepu thinks hes a PI by the way he fools around.
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April 14, 2012 1:18pm
virtualmark

Viking2:

ACC is an accident compensation corporation with statuary roles

They are not an insurer as such but use a faulty insurance model to fund their ongoing customer requirements.

ACC are an insurer. A state-owned monopoly insurer, with us Kiwis compelled to use its services whether we like it or not. But they are an insurer, and not some other type of business made to use a “faulty insurance model”.

On the one hand, I don’t know of any state-owned company with customers compelled to use it that has good customer service. Basically, if your customers are forced to use you then the chances are your customer service will suck. So I totally expect that ACC’s customer service is second rate. The solution? Open them up to competition.

On the other hand, every insurance company faces a segment of their customers who think being a policyholder entitles them to receive everything they want and more. And those customers complain bitterly when faced with the realities of what their insurance cover actually provides. That doesn’t mean the customer is right. And it doesn’t surprise me that the insurance company thinks those customers are a pain in the arse. Because they are. And it doesn’t upset me if the insurer’s staff call a spade a spade … or a pain in the arse a pain in the arse.

If you think ACC’s customer service and its policy cover sucks then open it up to competition. Simple. If they have to fight to win customers then you might find they treat them better.
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April 14, 2012 1:21pm
Johnboy

Years ago Bernie Fraser used to turn up at my work in a professional capacity.
The Maori girls got their photo taken with him.
None of them would believe he wasn’t Maori! 🙂
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April 14, 2012 1:53pm
bereal

i still think it’s quite simple to fix the Blues. Pat Lam, please listen.

There is enough latent talent there but they are not performing to their potential.

All the talk about PIs with no, ….well, …..discipline/self discipline is academic bull.

i don’t care who the coach is. He needs to exert some authority and…….

Take the whole crew out to the barber shop.

Get them all a short back and sides each. (and if you could survive the player revolt that that would provoke, then
you would have a team)

Then, they would change from putting all their effort into growing a grouse pair of pigtails down to their arsehole
or, like Nonu, into his lovely eye makeup, dreads and little chinny, chin chin poofter beard. (wait for the faggoty, spikey, hair gelled D’Atangnon type moustace next week. Maybe a few rainbow colured rags in his hair, that would be appropriate)
and put that effort into the game.

Over to you Pat….got any guts ?
Must be worth a try babe. Now you got nutin to lose.
Your way sure ain’t workin.
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April 14, 2012 2:59pm
Johnboy

Maybe Pat should have avoided Mark Hammett’s discards Beryl? 🙂
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April 14, 2012 3:10pm
bereal

Maybe true Johnboy but now it’s done and even these bigheads are not total drongs.
They may have turned into prima donna girls but.

They need some discipline to force them to step up to the plate.

Making them get a fuken haircut and forcing them to respect the team would be a good first step.
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April 14, 2012 3:17pm
Longknives

Bereal-
“Take the whole crew out to the barber shop.
Get them all a short back and sides each”

Now Johnny Unitas…There’s a haircut you could set you watch to!
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April 14, 2012 3:17pm
bereal

Longknives, thats why Johnny Unitas was a genius.

He saw the way straight through the shit.

Just hope Pat is reading this and takes it onboard.
It’s so simple.
Otherwise he is fucked.
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April 14, 2012 3:30pm
bereal

Anyway,
if Pat Lam saw the photo on page B28 in todays Herald of Nonu surrounded by his faggot looking mates,
even Pat must start to get some idea.

Stop blubbering like a sooky girl and exert a bit of discipline mate.

Step one… At least force them to start LOOKING like men…
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April 14, 2012 3:45pm
bereal

How many of the Sharks had a double pigtail down to their arsehole ?
How many had a cutey cute cute little beard ?

How many had something living on the back of their heads ?

How many looked like neanderthalls ?

Thats questions for Pat.
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April 14, 2012 3:54pm
Johnboy

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO PI HARDMAN CULTURE?

Now there is the real question for Pat!
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April 14, 2012 4:50pm
mikenmild

I’m sure bereal with short back and sides is a lot tougher than Ma’a Nonu, a better tackler and boasts a much more astute kicking game.
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April 14, 2012 5:04pm
eszett

SalParadise (13) Says:
April 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am

Eszett, I don’t exclude National and Act from that list. But Philu doesn’t make any mention of Act and National in his original post.

It isn’t only bad when the left do it, I am just more disappointed by it.

Why is it bad? I believe that you should vote for the party/person who best represents your beliefs/interests. When a Labour supporter is voting for the National candidate to prevent the Act candidate being elected it doesn’t sit well with me.

That is why I support repeal of the electorate seat threshold and preferential voting in electorate seats.

@Sal, sorry, I didn’t realise that you were responding to a post as I usually don’t read phils post (way too long and convoluted ) 😉

I agree with you that the preferential voting is better, although I don’t think it will prevent tactical voting. Labour and greens voters could still give their first preference to the National candidate.

Also if you think of 3 candidates A, B, and C and A is your candidate, but doesn’t stand a chance against C, but you think B would be a better candidate overall, why is it bad to vote for him. That’s essentially what preferential voting does.

Besides tactical voting has effect is limited, people get tired of it pretty quickly.
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April 14, 2012 5:28pm
Johnboy

But I bet he can’t drink a class act like Jesse under the table milky no matter how he styles his hair.

True sportsmen are born not trained!
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April 14, 2012 5:33pm
Viking2

Keeping Stock (7,413) Says:
April 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am

@ virtualmark – Viking only sees things in two colours; black and white 🙂

Well that’s a good thing really. Better than seeing things through rose coloured galsses and the things being seen being all blurred a blue colour that looks pink.

That’s what’s wrong. The red and blues are pretty much the same. Different shades of pink. like fannies eh! 😯
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April 14, 2012 5:34pm
Viking2

If you think ACC’s customer service and its policy cover sucks then open it up to competition. Simple. If they have to fight to win customers then you might find they treat them better.

When can we do it? Yesterday?
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April 14, 2012 5:37pm
Viking2

Headlines in the Manawatu times.

Dangerous man wanted

Sits vacant for one of you mad buggers.

😆 :rofl:
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April 14, 2012 5:41pm
Viking2

You know there are so many TV channels, each starved of new programs.
In a rural program for farmers, a female TV reporter seeking the main cause of Mad Cow disease,
arranged for an interview with a farmer who may have some theories on the matter…

The interview was as follows:

The lady reporter: I am here to collect information on the possible sources of Mad Cow Disease.
Can you offer any reason for this disease?

The farmer stared at the reporter and said,
Do you know that a bull mounts a cow only once a year?

Reporter: (obviously embarrassed): Well, sir, that’s a new piece of information
but what’s the relation between this phenomenon and Mad Cow disease?

Farmer: And, madam, do you know that we milk a cow twice a day?
Reporter: Sir, this is really valuable information, but what about getting to the point?
Farmer: I am getting to the point, madam.
Just imagine, if I was playing with your tits twice a day….
and only screwing you once a year, wouldn’t you get mad?

😮

THE TV INTERVIEW WAS NEVER AIRED…
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April 14, 2012 5:43pm
Viking2

Mother in law

A mother in law said to her sons wife when the baby was born

“I don’t mean to be rude but he doesn’t look anything like my son”

The daughter in law lifted her skirt and said

“I don’t mean to be rude either but this is a fanny not a bloody photo copier”

8) 😆 😎
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April 14, 2012 5:43pm
bereal

Johnboy @ 4.50

You put your finger on it right there Johnboy.
and the sad answer is….

That culture has been handed down, by generations of proud warriors to other generations….
it has been carried by many fine men………
untill the torch came into the hand of Pat Lam.

Now lets face it.
He still has time to continue the tradition, just… ,, BUT..

When he is happy to let his team turn up looking like a bunch of retarded poofter neanderthralls.
And he is unable to apply any discipline,, then, that is the end of a very proud line.
Thanks Pat Lam.
You still have one chance left mate.

i do so hope that you can rise to the occaision.

Ball is in your court mate,,,,,,,,,,,,

Do something. It’s not too late to develop a backbone…
Or, retired hurt and blame everybody else for being racist.
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April 14, 2012 5:48pm
Johnboy

“Sits vacant for one of you mad buggers.
😆 :rofl:”

We might be fucking mad V2 but none of us are fucking mad enough to move to the Manawatu!! 🙂
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April 14, 2012 5:53pm
RF

To remind me that we are fortunate to live in a country where the National Govt holds the purse strings I slum over on the Standard once in a while. I know its not a perfect world but what an evil bunch of wankers lurk on the dark side. If you dare to not toe the party line or agree with their pathetic crap they dump on you from a great height.

If the Labour Govt ever gets back in power this country is royally stuffed and I would have to look at crossing the ditch to cleanse myself. Actually evil is not a strong enough description of these knuckle draggers.
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April 14, 2012 6:19pm
nasska

Imagine this happening on the Waikato River…..the nannies at OSH would spontaneously give birth:

http://www.wimp.com/hochi/
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April 14, 2012 6:51pm
Johnboy

Will never happen nasska.

Murris couldn’t paddle a digger like that good ole boy can! 🙂
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April 14, 2012 6:56pm
Other_Andy

@Nasska

Bloody brilliant!
Up the creek without a paddle.
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April 14, 2012 7:20pm
Viking2

The Divorced Barbie Doll

One day a father gets out of work and on his way home he suddenly remembers that it’s his daughter’s birthday.He pulls over to a Toy Shop and asks the sales person, ‘How much for one of those Barbie’s in the display window?’The salesperson answers, ‘Which one do you mean, Sir?We have: Work Out Barbie for $19.95, Shopping Barbie for $19.95, Beach Barbie for $19.95, Disco Barbie for $19.95, Ballerina Barbie for $19.95, Astronaut Barbie for $19.95, Skater Barbie for $19.95, and Divorced Barbie for $265.95’.

The amazed father asks: ‘It’s what?! Why is the Divorced Barbie $265.95 and the others only $19.95?’

The annoyed salesperson rolls her eyes, sighs, and answers: ‘Sir…, Divorced Barbie comes with: Ken’s Car, Ken’s House, Ken’s Boat, Ken’s Furniture, Ken’s Computer, one of Ken’s Friends, and a key chain made with Ken’s balls.
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April 14, 2012 7:21pm
big bruv

bereal

“Nonu is the biggest con in world rugby.
He is almost useless (did you ever see him make a tackle ? a decent tactical kick ?)”

Are you pissed or is it that you just know nothing about rugby?
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April 14, 2012 7:23pm
Monique Watson

That raft digger is awesome.

It’s a simple life seeing the world as different shades of crap. Ggod crap. bad crap. Holy crap.
Or: Shit happens. And why are we all here and what’s it all about.
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April 14, 2012 7:37pm
Johnboy

Just for you Monique. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk&feature=fvsr
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April 14, 2012 7:41pm
Elaycee

@Big Bruv: 10,000 and counting. Well done.
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April 14, 2012 7:49pm
nasska

There was a mine in a small town that completely collapsed.
One of the engineers who miraculously survived the
disaster went into the local watering hole.

The bar was empty except for one lonely soul at the
other end of the bar. “Hey bartender” said the Engineer,
“I’ll have a beer and pour another one for that guy down
at the end there.”
The bartender responded, “I’m sorry sir but that guy’s a
commie and a union agitator, and we don’t serve his kind
around here.”

“Well, you’d better because if it weren’t for that guy,
I wouldn’t be here. You remember that mine that caved in,
well I was in that mine and so was that guy. When the last
of us were escaping, he held the roof of the mine up with
his head! So get him a beer and if you don’t believe me,
look at the top of his head and you’ll see that it’s
flat from holding the roof up.”

The bartender skeptically served the commie his beer and
then came back to talk to the Engineer:
“I saw the flat spot on his head
but I also couldn’t help noticing the bruising under
his chin.What is that all about?” The engineer responded:

“Oh…that’s where we put the jack.”
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April 14, 2012 7:55pm
labours a joke

yes well done big bruv..I enjoy your posts especially the digs at the resident parasite.
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April 14, 2012 8:02pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=4h-wVe9a6rQ
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April 14, 2012 9:00pm
Viking2

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/vietnamese-cop-gets-wild-ride-on-front-of-bus-3218915.html?from=newsbox
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