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Other_Andy

Mayor’s $1257 ‘female’ chair chosen on staff advice

Ms Hardaker entered local government promising a prudent approach to council spending.
She has spent almost $92,000 in a year on running her office, with the new chair, pens, flowers and a Koru Club membership among the expenses.

Sounds prudent to me….(?)
Maybe they could seek advice from the “democratic support services team” or the “democratic support service manager” if they are on the right track?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796831
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April 5, 2012 8:08am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-great-marijuana-debate-round-2-should-marijuana-be-legalized-for-recreational-use/

“..You read their original statements and voted overwhelmingly for Corry’s legalization position with 96% of readers agreeing with Corry before the debate – and 97% agreeing with him after reading both statements.

So, we invited both men back to give them each a chance to respond to their original statements and try to sway your opinion on the issue one more time.

Now, we present: The Great Marijuana Debate, Round Two–Corry’s and Enyart’s rebuttals.

Read Corry and Enyart’s original statements – their new rebuttals to one another –”

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 8:14am
Keeping Stock

Full marks to Judith Collins for putting both her reputation and job on the line:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/putting-her-job-on-line.html

But d’you reckon that Mallard and Little will resign if Collins is proved not to have been involved in leaking the Pullar e-mail as she claims? Neh; there’s as much chance as that happening as there is of a certain someone who has posted directly above me getting a real job of his own volition, not Paula Bennett’s.
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April 5, 2012 8:19am
hmmokrightitis

Didnt you know KS, work is for others to do so that the intellectual gliterrati can be paid by the taxpayer to comment on our failings.

Do keep up 🙂

Me, I work my ring out. And this weekend I shall celebrate with some seriously great wine, some wonderful food, and 4 days at my palatial lake house, some great MTB trails, and great friends. Becuase this time 25 years ago I was on the bones of my arse.

Amazing what a little hard work can do for you 😉
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April 5, 2012 8:27am
Falafulu Fisi

Does anyone here (especially from readers here in their late 50s or above) have any clue to the original title of song with the melody as shown below. I believe that the original song is a jazz one from perhaps from 1940s, 1960s or later. The singer below, just put lyrics to the song, but the original didn’t have lyrics since it was a piece of jazz music or something similar (folk music perhaps). It has a calypso beautiful tune to it.

Happy Happy Tonga

I thought that I heard the song (instrument only) in one of the classic James Bond movies (Dr. No or From Russia with love) when I rented those DVDs in recent years. Those films were made in the 1960s. I may have to rent those movies again just to find out if that jazz song is on the sound track.

Phil U, any clue about the name of the original song title?
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April 5, 2012 8:30am
Pete George

Keeping Stock – Mallard et al claim to be holding the Government to account. Shouldn’t they be held to account too?

Mallard is not averse to putting other people’s careers in jeopardy, through fair means or fowl. But I don’t think he’d have the balls to put his own job on the line. He doesn’t have that sort of integrity.
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April 5, 2012 8:36am
Fletch

Falafulu, does sound vaguely familiar, but I’m not sure. As far as the Bond reference, you’re probably thinking of Three Blind Mice, from Dr No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BAXBPHBHsE
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April 5, 2012 8:39am
mikenmild

Pete
‘fair means or fowl’
Are you calling Mallard a chicken?
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April 5, 2012 8:42am
East Wellington Superhero

%@#ing useless Parliamentary Press Gallery. Why aren’t they hounding Mallard and Little to put-up or shut-up?
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April 5, 2012 8:42am
James Stephenson

Mallard is not averse to putting other people’s careers in jeopardy, through fair means or fowl

Ahem, do you mean foul, or are you saying that Trev’s a chicken as well as a duck?

Edit – gah! beaten miken..
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April 5, 2012 8:44am
Falafulu Fisi

Fletch, you’re correct, I’ve mistaken the tune for Three Blind Mice.
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April 5, 2012 8:52am
Pete George

mikenmild – a duck is a fowl.

But I think Mallard can look like a dishonest bully who will do what he can to bring other MPs down (and the Government too if he could), but he doesn’t seem to put his own career on the line. Call that what you like.

And he also may well have effectively put David Shearer’s leadrship on the line. If Mallard’s campaign against Collins backfires it could easily crash Shearer, but do you think Mallard will lose his job?
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April 5, 2012 8:52am
philu

how do you do it..?..pete george..?

..and i know i’m not the first to say it..

..but every day…total fake-authoritative/overwrought shite…

..which orifice do you pluck it from..?

..how could shearers’ job be possibly ‘on the line’..(oo-err..!..)..?

..do you spout crap like this just for shock-effect..or what..?

..you string strawman-suppositions together to come to an absolutely horseshit-conclusion..

..it must take a certain warped skill..to be so consistant..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 9:12am
Keeping Stock

@ hmmokrightitis – I share a similar tale. Just a decade ago I was working unsociable hours on minimum wage following a mid-life crisis. Nowdays I can feel some smugness that my taxes let people like the aforementioned chap eat, drink, smoke dope and go to the library to blog.

In the meantime I, like you work hard, and when the opportunity arises, play hard. I’ve taken risks in building up several businesses in an uncertain economic environment, but I’ve taken good advice, and now am delighted to be employing more than forty staff. Though I won’t be doing any MTB riding this weekend, food and wine will be on the agenda, together with sharing in the joy of a staff member’s wedding. It’s moments like that which make the long hours, the sleepless nights worrying about things and the other stresses of business ownership wholly worthwhile.
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April 5, 2012 9:13am
Keeping Stock

@ Phil; because Shearer let slip on Firstline yesterday that he had let Mallard and Little off their leashes to attack Judith Collins. So much for his desire not to be involved in “gotcha” politics…
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April 5, 2012 9:14am
Yvette

Keeping Stock –
Did Shearer actually say he had fore-knowledge of the Mallard, Little remarks or that he has been closely advising since they made the comments?
There is of course a big difference between the two.
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April 5, 2012 9:27am
philu

i see using mallard as an attack-dog…

..as utilising an available asset…

..nothing more..

..and seeing as they are going up against collins..

..it is fighting fire with fire…

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 9:34am
Jack5

Even while Europe threatens to burn to cinders over a common currency across very different economies, the possibility of a common Australia-NZ currency raises it’s head again.

This time the Telegraph of London reports today: “Australia and New Zealand will consider adopting a single currency under a proposal jointly floated by the countries’ productivity bodies”.

However, a quick check of the NZ Productivity Commission site shows the actual position on a single trans Tasman currency (which would probably mean NZ adopting the Australian dollar):

Currency union … is one area where the loss of local decision-making can be problematic. On one hand, there are potential benefits in avoiding the transaction costs associated with having separate
currencies. On the other, where business cycles and economic changes (such as the ‘mining boom’) affect the two countries differently, there could be costs in not having independent exchange rates. The recent experience of countries in the Eurozone is instructive in this respect.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/9186360/Australia-and-New-Zealand-could-adopt-single-currency.html

AND

http://transtasman-review.productivity.govt.nz/study/issues-paper

Whew!
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April 5, 2012 9:47am
Jack5

If anyone is really pissed off by Philu, they might like to try this Philu killer I’ve kept a note on from a few years ago.
It’s supposed to strip out any poster that you don’t like. Let’s know if it still works!

Go to addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/521 and click the green Add to Firefox button and Install it now.
Download the Kiwiblog RIP. Import the Kiwiblog RIP into your installed RIP addon. Edit it to change “AnIdiot” to whatever name you want to ignore.

Good luck
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April 5, 2012 9:50am
Pete George

Yvette, from what I’ve seen Shearer has publicly joined Mallard and Little after their comments, but he has clearly nailed his colours to Mallard’s mast.

Mr Shearer said there was no need for the two to apologise.

“I think they’ve really got a case there and I think we’ll be really interested to see what actually happens if it does go to court.”

It would be a chance to “open the books” on Ms Collins’ emails, texts and phone calls and what was really going on in her office.

Mr Little’s and Mr Mallard’s comments were simply a case of MPs having “a go at each other”.

“It was really just a bit of rough and tumble that you would expect given the circumstances and given the fact that the minister wasn’t answering the questions in the House,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6688693/Bring-it-on-Labour-says-to-legal-threat

If this backfires on Mallard he’ll dive for cover and keep his job, but Shearer will be severely exposed.

Shearer has already been compromisd, previously promoting a “new kind of politics” without bickering between parties. Mallard has dragged him in to attack politics already.
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April 5, 2012 9:53am
mikenmild

Gee, Pete, you seem to be getting more and more anti-Labour. What would you do if they got close to forming a government next time and your leader changed camps (again)?
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April 5, 2012 9:56am
adc

What’s with all the Huawei bashing?

Where does Labour think it is going with that. So there’s no guarantee that if we use Huawei gear we won’t be compromised.

well, in the real world, there’s no guarantee of that NO MATTER WHOSE gear you use.

American companies have to incorporate wiretapping provisions in their kit already.

At the end of the day, any infrastructure or software that starts phoning home (which you can see if you monitor your traffic) will quickly be identified, and any company making such stuff will go out of business. It’s commercial suicide to do that. I’m sure Mr Zhengfei didn’t work this hard for this long to shoot himself in the head like that.

Personally it just stinks to me of american corporates worrying about losing contracts lobbying to the whitehouse.

And…. anyone with sensitive stuff going over the net that isn’t already encrypted should be fired already.
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April 5, 2012 9:57am
Jack5

More on my 9.50 post about a Philu stripper…

Or, more easily go to your Firefox add-ons and search for Remove it Permanently.
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April 5, 2012 9:59am
philu

“..but Shearer will be severely exposed…”..(oo-err..!..)

..exposed’ to what..?..who..?..what outcomes..?

..phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 10:01am
philu

jack 5..that is recommended for those who like to listen to just one side of a discussion/conversation..

..do they play..fill-in-the-gaps..?..(phil-in-the-gaps..geddit..?..geddit..?..)

d’yareckon..?

..to each their own..eh..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 10:04am
Lee01

Phil,

Get a job you lazy, bludging parasite.
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April 5, 2012 10:05am
Jack5

In adc’s defence of Huawei’s NZ infrastructure contracts at 9.57….

anyone with sensitive stuff going over the net that isn’t already encrypted should be fired.

What sort of encryption do you advocate, adc? Something that can’t be busted, like RSA?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218857/Researcher_follows_RSA_hacking_trail_to_China
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April 5, 2012 10:06am
Nookin

“..how could shearers’ job be possibly ‘on the line’..(oo-err..!..)..?”
Shearer has clearly aligned himself with the Mallard/Little strategy of refusing to apologise and refusing to substantiate the allegations. He said that by doing this, they will force disclosure of all Collins’ e-mail, phone calls etc. He used the term “we..” yesterday morning. He stands to sink or swim on this one. It surprises me. He could scuttle both Mallard and Little (Little particularly) if he showed some balls and stood by his “no gotcha” comments.
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April 5, 2012 10:20am
meh

Just heard on the radio that Collins’ will not be including Shearer in with Mallard and Little because “no-one takes him seriously” hahahaha
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April 5, 2012 10:29am
philu

why would he want to ‘scuttle’ mallard/little..?

..who is going to ‘sink’ him..?

..and what ‘gotcha’-politics..?

..collins/national are setting this up on a plate..

..providing a rolling banquet…

..and as for successor-aspirations..

..it is collins with this…and joyce sticking to this stinker of a casino deal..

..that will unravel any leadership aspirations they both have..

..that aside from their inbuilt-faults..

..collins may claw her way to the top of national..

..but there is n way nz’ers will elect..what is in effect..

..a female muldoon…

..and joyce shares the inbuilt-cobbler that english has..

..coma-inducing boredom in listeners..whenever they open their mouths…

..national would be best to look to their younger ones..after 2014…

..both collins and joyce are too tainted/stained..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 10:32am
Brian Smaller

Muslims getting angry. Who would have thought? When I first saw this I thought they were angry that someone was mixing coke with vodka.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Muslims-angry-at-alleged-vodka-blasphemy-20120404
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April 5, 2012 10:47am
Pete George

mikenmild at 9:56 am
Gee, Pete, you seem to be getting more and more anti-Labour.

I’m not anti Labour, I’m anti dirty politics, and it happens to be some of Labour who seem to be getting their hands dirty at the moment. I’ve been pro Shearer (giving him a chance) up until he got sucked in to Mallard’s game, now I am very doubtful he’ll survive let alone be a refreshing new leader.

What would you do if they got close to forming a government next time and your leader changed camps (again)?

I’ll probably do what I do now, call things as I see them. I criticise National and Key now if I see fit.

But that’s a question that would be better directed at Labour. They appear not to want to deal with UF again going by how they keep attacking Peter Dunne (they were doing it in Parliament again yesterday).
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April 5, 2012 10:50am
Weihana

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/04/opinion/colb-strip-search/index.html

(CNN) — On Monday, a 5-4 majority of the U.S. Supreme Court approved strip searches of everyone entering jail after arrest for even the most minor offense. The ruling exposed a disturbing insensitivity.

The plaintiffs in the case, Florence v. Board of Chosen Freeholders, were arrested for relatively minor offenses, such as walking a dog without a leash. Their lawsuit challenged a policy in two New Jersey detention facilities where all arrested people are strip-searched before joining the inside population.

In one facility, this means “a complete disrobing, followed by an examination of the nude inmate … by the supervising officer, which is then followed by a supervised shower with a delousing agent.” In the other facility, the booking process “required groups of 30 to 40 arrestees to enter a large shower room, simultaneously remove all of their clothing, place it in boxes and then shower.”

If you have ever driven over the speed limit in New Jersey, it could be you in that shower.

So while retarded conservatives scream and wail over the government forcing them to buy health insurance for themselves, apparently the government examining your testicles for a minor regulatory offense is quite acceptable. Unbelievable.
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April 5, 2012 10:52am
publicwatchdog

Any thoughts (preferably considered 🙂 on this issue Kiwibloggers?

UPDATE: Bridgecorp directors Rod Petricevic and Rob Roest have been found guilty on all charges of misleading investors in the company’s 2007 collapse.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/judgment-day-bridgecorp-directors-gb-115897

MY COMMENT:

“All three directors face six counts under the Securities Act 1978 in respect of untrue statements in prospectuses and investment statements dated December 21, 2006, distributed by Bridgecorp and Bridgecorp Investments.”

Ok – so why were former fellow Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, John Banks and Don Brash not even CHARGED for signing Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme registered prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009, which contained untrue statements?

Has the failure to apply ACT’s ‘one law for all’ to the current and former Leaders of the ACT Party been an arguably corrupt form of political protection because this National Government is dependent upon the vote of the MP for Epsom, Minister of Regulatory Reform (no less) John Banks?

How would a fair-minded member of the public ‘perceive’ this????

Upon what FACTS and EVIDENCE do Transparency International base New Zealand’s ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

Unsubstantiated opinion from anonymous businesspeople?

Is Transparency International’s ‘Corruption Perception Index ‘ even worth the paper upon which it is written?

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
Attendee: Transparency International Conference 2010
waterpressure@gmail.com
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April 5, 2012 11:01am
adc

Jack5.

depends on how sensitive it is. There is also a time factor to this, as some cryptos which can’t be busted now (in a timely or economic way), may be in future.

My point is, the internet should not be assumed to be private or secure.

So, moaning about a vendor simply shows that the moaners have no clue.

And so what if someone in China hacked RSA Security Inc. Read some Brice Schneier. Anyone that knows anything about crypto knows that relying on secrecy for security is no security at all.

All the crypto algorithms used in modern PKI are open and published. We don’t rely on algorithms being secret. Part of the security we get from them comes from this, they can be peer-reviewed, and tested.
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April 5, 2012 11:01am
adc

unless of course they managed to steal the private keys that is… 🙂 In which case someone at RSA should be shot.
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April 5, 2012 11:02am
voice of reason

“Weihana (1,724) Says:
April 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/04/opinion/colb-strip-search/index.html

…….So while retarded conservatives scream and wail over the government forcing them to buy health insurance for themselves, apparently the government examining your testicles for a minor regulatory offense is quite acceptable. Unbelievable.”

Weihana – you can also add alowing TSA agents to grope air passengers to that list
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April 5, 2012 11:04am
grumpyoldhori

Weihana is the US supreme court a court or a body of judges selected by them being members of either the GOP or the Democrats to be a political body to make laws such as busing ?

And I’m cynical enough to believe if Gore had a majority on the court he would have been selected by the court to be president.
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April 5, 2012 11:21am
DJP6-25

East Wellington Superhero 8:42 a. For the same reason sharks don’t attack lawyers. Professionsl courtesy.

cheers

David Prosser
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April 5, 2012 12:30pm
Weihana

grumpyoldhori,

While the court is supposed to be impartial, reality dictates that politics will always play a part to some degree.

But when it comes to strip searching people, humiliating them and having the government effectively rape them of their dignity, for nothing more than extremely minor infringements, then I think we are witnessing a true fundamental violation of the people’s constitutional rights. Violated by a bunch of asshole judges that know they will never be subjected to such treatment and know that it will be the average joe (probably black) who will have to deal with the humiliation and indignity inflicted on them by the ever-growing police state.
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April 5, 2012 1:14pm
Lee01

“But when it comes to strip searching people, humiliating them and having the government effectively rape them of their dignity”

Oh bollocks. So the cops want to check people for weapons and drugs before allowing them into the prison population. So what? Get a grip.

” and know that it will be the average joe (probably black)”

Because black people commit by far and away the vast majority of crime, especially violent crime. The problem is not “poverty” or white “racism”, the problem is an ethnic community that refuses to take responsibilty for themselves, are in perpetual victim mode, and believe that the world owes them something for nothing.

Heres a hint. If blacks don’t want to come to the attention of the police, stop commiting crimes.
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April 5, 2012 2:12pm
philu

robertso has just alleged in parliament that both banks and brown did not declare gifts of 15 grand each got from sky-city..

..a ‘crime’ with a maximum 2yr sentence..

..and as such..if guilty..banks wd have to resign..

..and whither brown..?

..it also puts the ambivalence of brown re pokie-deal in a new light..

..whoar..!

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 2:15pm
Weihana

Lee01,

So the cops want to check people for weapons and drugs before allowing them into the prison population. So what?

So… the invasion of privacy, the humiliation, the loss of dignity is not justified for minor infringements (such as not paying a fine which you did in fact pay). Your views may differ, but it is often considered that a right to personal privacy is a fundamental right that should not be violated without reasonable cause. I put it to you that the unwillingness of the state to make an effort to find alternative security solutions for minor offenses is not a reasonable justification for ignoring fundamental rights.

The problem here is that the United States is waging a war on its own people, imprisoning vast numbers of people who are otherwise non-violent and creating a permanent underclass that is attracted to gangs and violence for lack of realistic alternatives. This problem is burdening their financial ability to cope with these prisoners and so instead of taking extra measures to differentiate different types of offenders, they would rather ignore fundamental rights for the sake of efficiency. Easier to presume everyone is dangerous, no matter how minor the offense they are alleged to have committed.

Problem is it’s generally always easier to just ignore fundamental rights. That in itself is not a justification to do it.

Because black people commit by far and away the vast majority of crime,

No, they constitute less than half of incarcerated individuals. Committing a disproportionate level of crime does not equate to the “vast majority” of crime.

especially violent crime. The problem is not “poverty” or white “racism”, the problem is an ethnic community that refuses to take responsibilty for themselves, are in perpetual victim mode, and believe that the world owes them something for nothing.

The problem is an ethnic community? So not only do violent criminals who are black deserve blame but everyone else who is black also deserves blame by virtue of sharing similar skin pigmentation?

Of course I’m sure none of the prejudice which you so clearly display has any effect on the prospects of your average black person.

Heres a hint. If blacks don’t want to come to the attention of the police, stop commiting crimes.

Yet when whites commit the same crimes they are more likely to get away with it.

Information on race is available for each step of the criminal justice system – from the use of drugs, police stops, arrests, getting out on bail, legal representation, jury selection, trial, sentencing, prison, parole and freedom. Look what these facts show.

One. The US has seen a surge in arrests and putting people in jail over the last four decades. Most of the reason is the war on drugs. Yet whites and blacks engage in drug offenses, possession and sales, at roughly comparable rates – according to a report on race and drug enforcement published by Human Rights Watch in May 2008. While African Americans comprise 13% of the US population and 14% of monthly drug users they are 37% of the people arrested for drug offenses – according to 2009 Congressional testimony by Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project.

Two. The police stop blacks and Latinos at rates that are much higher than whites. In New York City, where people of color make up about half of the population, 80% of the NYPD stops were of blacks and Latinos. When whites were stopped, only 8% were frisked. When blacks and Latinos are stopped 85% were frisked according to information provided by the NYPD. The same is true most other places as well. In a California study, the ACLU found blacks are three times more likely to be stopped than whites.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html
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April 5, 2012 2:50pm
F E Smith

Hi all,

just a flying visit to leave a link to an interesting newspaper article on prosecutorial misconduct.

This doesn’t just happen in the USA (which is where the article originates), but also in NZ. The difference is that in NZ there is almost no penalty for it, and the Attorney General is able to protect prosecutors from private prosecution over their misconduct by staying the charges. Anyway, must go,
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April 5, 2012 3:03pm
Lee01

“No, they constitute less than half of incarcerated individuals. Committing a disproportionate level of crime does not equate to the “vast majority” of crime.”

Read the Color of Crime. You can download it as a free pdf.

“68% of all violent crime arrests are of Blacks. Blacks commit 8 times as many assaults as Whites. Blacks commit 14 times as many murders as Whites. Blacks commit 19 times as many armed robberies as Whites. All categories of violent crime considered, Blacks are found to be 50 times more violent than Whites. Now, in order to understand the enormity of that discrepancy, one need only translate it into a percentage: Blacks are 5,000% more violent than their White counterparts. If a neighborhood is only 8% Black, the average White victim of violent crime in that area will still almost certainly identify his or her assailant as Black — and for that matter, so will the Black, Brown, and Yellow victims. While Blacks make up roughly 14% of the American populace, half are women, and another margin is made up of the very old and the very young, so the egregiously offending demographic (Black males, age 13-35) make up about 3% of the U.S. population. Incredibly, that 3% of the population is responsible for more violence than all other people in the country combined.”

“The problem is an ethnic community? So not only do violent criminals who are black deserve blame but everyone else who is black also deserves blame by virtue of sharing similar skin pigmentation?”

No, by virtue of the fact that they help to enable the crime by refusing as a community to take responsibility for the extremely high levels of violent crime perpetuated by members of their ethnic group, by excusing black criminals as victims of “racism” and blaming their problems on other ethnic groups (notably whites and Jews).

“Of course I’m sure none of the prejudice which you so clearly display has any effect on the prospects of your average black person.”

People are responsible for their own lives. Blaming “racism” is an excuse. It is also a hypocritical one given that the most racist ethnic group in the U.S. are blacks themselves.
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April 5, 2012 3:04pm
Lee01

“The police stop blacks and Latinos at rates that are much higher than whites.”

Of course they do. Statistically they are far more likely to be engaged in crime than whites.

Thats not racism, its reality.
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April 5, 2012 3:06pm
Ryan Sproull

No, by virtue of the fact that they help to enable the crime by refusing as a community to take responsibility for the extremely high levels of violent crime perpetuated by members of their ethnic group, by excusing black criminals as victims of “racism” and blaming their problems on other ethnic groups (notably whites and Jews).

That reminds me. I need to start taking responsibility for the high levels of white-collar crime in my white-skinned community.
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April 5, 2012 3:19pm
Weihana

Lee01,

The Color of Crime? “Yellow” victims? lmao.

Jared Taylor is a racist and clearly you are as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor

If anyone is interested in the kind of “intellectuals” Lee01 aspires to.
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April 5, 2012 3:23pm
Shazzadude

Roy Morgan’s just released a poll.

NAT 44%
LAB 30.5%
GRN 17%
NZF 5%
MRI 1.5%

0.5% each for Mana, ACT, UF and other.
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April 5, 2012 3:37pm
bereal

It will be some time before we next see Ms Julie Ann Genter (list mp , Greens) asking another question
in parliament.
Two days in a row she has proved the folly of putting an air head up against Brownlee. He smacked her for a six
both days. Left her gasping like a beached fish. She seems to rate herself but you would have to ask, why ?

Maybe there is a corresponent who could explain the point she was trying to make with any
of her questions over the last two days.
i worked out that she is against having roads in NZ but that was about it.

On a superficial level you could see how she was able to con her way up the Green party list (no competition) but
scratch the surface and there is obviously nobody home there.

A quick glance at her Wikipedia page would lead you to suspect she wrote it herself.
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April 5, 2012 3:43pm
philu

well..a serious answer to a stupid question..

..the fact that brownlee admitted that cost-benefit analyses for the highway building projects was not done untill nine months after the projects were announced..

..that should disturb anyone..

..no matter what yr political-stripes..

oh..and traffic volumes are static..have been for awhile…

..which also dents the case for a super highways spendup…

..and today brownlee just answered genters valid questions..

..using/uttering errant nonsense..

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 3:51pm
Pete George

Shazzadude – that’s interesting.

National -4.5%
Greens + 4.5%
Labour +0.5%

So National taking a hit, but Labour gain little from it. My guess is that most of the Greens gain is mostly due to “neither of the other two”. Attack politics is a very risky game.
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April 5, 2012 4:01pm
bereal

Of course bludgers who sit on their arse all day surfing the web and smoking dope are unlikely
to be big road users.

This type of bludging loser will tend to have a problem with any govt expediture that is not on social welfare.
Roads are for fat cat capitalists and fuken idiots who use them to get to work.
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April 5, 2012 4:05pm
philu

ooh..!..that’s quite the dazzling riposte there….

..statistics/facts be buggered..eh..?

..just falling back on the phrase-book..?

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 4:09pm
cha

Here’s the SLPC profile of Jared Taylor and a search of his contributions to American Renaissance.
He’s popular with the menchen over at Stormfront too.
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April 5, 2012 4:20pm
Pete George

The poll isn’t quite as bad as it sounds for National, the last one was a blip up:
47, 46, 45.5, 45.5, 45.5, 48.5, 44.5

But they may be starting to worry about the trend.

Greens will have a happy Easter.
Labour will think they have to attack even harder.
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April 5, 2012 4:25pm
RRM

Bereal –

All of which merely goes to show how silly and futile parliamentary debate can be! 😛

Julie Anne Genter has worked as a traffic planner in private enterprise here and overseas so presumably knows something about roading design.

Gerry Brownlee, on the other hand, is a ‘raconteur’ who could tell you a few things about Finland (that are wrong). Basically a talking head on top of a tub o’ lard.

I know who I would listen to on that particular topic…
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April 5, 2012 4:33pm
bereal

Jeez it’s funny.
Every time you pull the monkeys chain the monkey flushes.
The monkey just can’t help himself.

Pull chain. Speak up monkey. Pull chain. Speak up monkey.
Chain,,,, monkey,,,,

…………..Over and over…….eh!!! …..duh………..
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April 5, 2012 4:35pm
mikenmild

cha
Funny that Lee hasn’t been back yet to defend his hero…
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April 5, 2012 4:39pm
bereal

Well. No suprise there RRM

You go with the air head of course.

Birds of a feather and all that .

By the way, don’t credit her above her station.
It was a PARKING expert wasn’t it ?
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April 5, 2012 4:45pm
cha

He’s probably off watching miracles happening MnM.
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April 5, 2012 4:47pm
RRM

Bereal –

When the alternative is an ex-carpenter who failed to make good in his old man’s timber business and then taught woodwork at high school for a while before getting into career politics… yes! Gimme the “airhead” any day 😛
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April 5, 2012 4:47pm
Longknives

Weihana- “when whites commit the same crimes they are more likely to get away with it”
Lee01-” Blacks commit 14 times as many murders as Whites. Blacks commit 19 times as many armed robberies as Whites”

Jesus Weihana- By your logic the Cops must be doing a hell of a lot of cover-ups for their beloved Aryan race!!!
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April 5, 2012 4:48pm
thedavincimode

Lee01

Back from the march in Christchurch are you?

How is Kyle? Still cutting a dashing figure as a leader of men and the great resistance?
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April 5, 2012 4:49pm
bereal

RRM

You don’t like Brownlee. Fine. But why is that ? C’mon mate, spit it out.

Did he fail you in third form woodwork and that ruined your life ? Is that it ?

i take it that you feel Julie Ann would make a better Minister of Transport, right ?
Well i admit that she can woffle up a good storm of bullshit, maybe that appeals to you.

Jeez o’dear.
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April 5, 2012 4:59pm
thedavincimode

RRM

Just to save Lee01 the grief of wearing out another keyboard, and everyone else simply a lot of grief, could you please just confirm that your reference to an ex-carpenter who got into politics is not a refernce to another another ex-carpenter who did a lot of walking on the hustings a couple of thousand years ago.

Longknives

Please don’t use the “J” word when you know Leeo1 is on the prowl. You know what happens.
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April 5, 2012 4:59pm
RRM

Casey Ryken joined Right Wing Resistance a year ago after being involved with various skinhead movements. He said every other group wanted violence to achieve its ends, but Right Wing Resistance was doing something good for the community.

“I’ve never been into the violence, it makes all white nationalists look bad.” He moved from Hawke’s Bay to Christchurch because groups had the freedom to operate without fear of reprisal. “In the North Island if we had a white pride march we would just get attacked. It’s a lot safer to do it down here.” Ryken said that most people thought being a white nationalist was akin to being a “racist Nazi”.

Translation: Every time we try to have a White Power march in Hastings, Maoris bash us and everybody laughs… sniff… it’s JUST NOT FAIR!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6673662/White-power-movement-delivers-warning
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April 5, 2012 5:07pm
philu

genter would make a great minister of transport..

..she seems eminently qualified/on top of the job…

..whereas brownlee dosen’t appear to have a fucken clue..

..no economic logic at all..

..a govt blinded/owned by its’ twisted ideology..

..and the road lobby…

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 5:11pm
RRM

Davincimode – good point. Confirmed. I meant Gerry Brownlee, not our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. ( 😛 )

Bereal – I don’t like him because he’s an idiot and he talks a lot of BS. I can see that appeals to you…
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April 5, 2012 5:11pm
RRM

philu – There’s no ‘Road Lobby’

But agreed 100% Brownlee is (despite appearances) an incredible lightweight, how he ever became the Nats’ darling is quite beyond me…
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April 5, 2012 5:13pm
cha

Kiwi Sarah Mason’s round three heat at Bells.

http://live.ripcurl.com/?aid=2043

edit: Paige Hareb surfs the next heat.
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April 5, 2012 5:44pm
philu

rrm..

https://www.google.com/search?q=road+lobby+in+new+zealand&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 5, 2012 5:46pm
Michael

Just read the names and nationalities of the people charged for trespassing onto a BP oil rig in New Plymouth – can’t Greenpeace get anyone who lives in New Zealand to protest? Only good thing will be most of them could be deported.
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April 5, 2012 5:54pm
bereal

Now i know that this is not really of great moment, however if you can be buggered, at about 2.00 mins into
this the girl that a bludging leech reckons would make a great minister of transport reveals how an airhead can
never cut it. Despite all the hand waving histrionics.
http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/12393

Hope you see this RRM

And Brownlee maintained good humour throughout.
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April 5, 2012 6:01pm
Viking2

The female dentist pulls out a numbing needle to give the man a shot of Novocain.
“No way! No needles. I hate needles” the patient said..
The dentist starts to hook up the nitrous oxide and the man objects..
“I can’t do the gas thing. The thought of having the gas mask on, suffocates me!”
The dentist then asks the patient if he has any objection to taking a pill.
“No objection,” the patient says. “‘I’m fine with pills.”
The dentist then returns and says, “Here’s a Viagra.”
The patient says, “Wow! I didn’t know Viagra worked as a pain killer!”
“It doesn’t” said the dentist, “but it’s going to give you something to hold on to when I pull your tooth”
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April 5, 2012 8:50pm
nasska

A ringer from a huge cattle station in outback Australia appeared before St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.

“Have you ever done anything of particular merit?” St. Peter asked.

“Well, I can think of one thing,” the ringer offered. “Once, on a trip to the backblocks of Broken Hill out inNew South Wales, I came across a gang of bikies, who were threatening a young shiela. I told them to leave her alone, but they wouldn’t listen. So, I approached the largest and most heavily tattooed bikie and smacked him in his face, kicked his bike over, ripped out his nose ring, and threw it on the ground.

I yelled, “Now, back off!! Or I’ll kick the shit out of the lot of ya’s!”

St. Peter was impressed, “When did this happen?”

“Just a couple minutes ago…”
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April 5, 2012 8:59pm
Leaping Jimmy

Operation Hot Mic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Czo5Vf8KZs&feature=player_embedded

Isn’t fact and fiction all bizarre kind of maybe, maybe not; sometimes.
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April 5, 2012 9:07pm
Weihana

Longknives (839) Says:
April 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Weihana- “when whites commit the same crimes they are more likely to get away with it”
Lee01-” Blacks commit 14 times as many murders as Whites. Blacks commit 19 times as many armed robberies as Whites”

Jesus Weihana- By your logic the Cops must be doing a hell of a lot of cover-ups for their beloved Aryan race!!!

It pays not to rely on figures from Lee01. 🙂

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

Homicide by race 1976-2005

Offenders
White 45.8%
Black 52.2%
Other 2.0%

But more importantly, the fact that blacks are disadvantaged in the US criminal justice system is not necessarily a reflection of intentional racist motivations. Prejudice plays a huge role in how we act and how we treat people. It can cause an overzealous neighbourhood watchman to shoot dead an unarmed teenager whose only suspicious activity seemed to be that he was black and wearing a hoodie. I don’t think the shooting was racially motivated but prejudice led the shooter to imagine things that just weren’t real.

This sort of thing happens every day whether it’s a jury pondering the innocence or guilt of a black defendant or whether a cop is deciding whether to go frisk someone. People rarely think about how their prejudices affect how they think and the assumptions they employ in everyday life. Either that or they are blissfully unaware that they do it. And EVERYONE does it.

But unfortunately for blacks we have this thing called the war on drugs and in that war they are the primary targets and as such a huge proportion of the negative social consequences of this ridiculous and immoral war fall on them.
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April 5, 2012 9:26pm
Other_Andy

@Weihana

Don’t really want to get into left wing ‘identity politics’ or CRT.
To me arguing the relation between skin pigmentation and murder doesn’t make sense.
The only reason why there is a link is because somebody has made the link and various groups are now (for different reasons) using it to advance their ideologies.

There are lies, , damned lies, and statistics.
Percentage of “Blacks” and “Whites” of the US population (2011).
“White” – 72.4%
“Black” – 12.6%

Homicide by race 1976-2005 (From your statistics)
Offenders
“White” – 45.8%
“Black” – 52.2%

So according to this, while “Blacks” only make up 12.6% of the population they make up 52.2% of the offenders.
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April 5, 2012 10:28pm
Other_Andy

@Weihana

It is a good example of the “Pygmalion effect” and various race-baiters, race-hucksters and political groups have a vested interest in keeping it going and to reinforce it.
One site uses the statistics to show that [Fill in preferred Ethnicity] are inferior and how bad [Fill in preferred Ethnicity] are.
The other site uses the statistics to portray [Fill in preferred Ethnicity] as victims of racism and the need for special treatment such as “positive discrimination”.
Both sides have an interest in keeping it going and the media deliberately (There are several examples) fans the flames for a good story.
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April 5, 2012 10:48pm
Lee01

Weihana,

“Jared Taylor is a racist and clearly you are as well.”

Jared Taylor is not a racist, he just tells the truth. Of course, in the Liberal world anyone who does not agree with the ideology of multiculturalism, or who does not buy into the “all blacks are victims of white racism” meme are called racist.

Cha,

Relying on the SPLC for accurate information is like relying on Labour for a balanced view of National.
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April 6, 2012 9:30am
philu

lee 01…

..if jared taylor isn’t a racist…who is..?

..examples..

(i mean..taylor has those tan-lines from wearing the ‘hood’ for too long in the bright sun…

..kinda like the effect a nun would get from lying in a sun-bed..habit-ed-up..

..what more do you need..?..)

phillip ure@whoar.co.nz
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April 6, 2012 9:54am
Lee01

“..if jared taylor isn’t a racist…who is..?”

Al Sharpton comes to mind.
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April 6, 2012 9:56am
Lee01

Weihana claims:

“. It can cause an overzealous neighbourhood watchman to shoot dead an unarmed teenager whose only suspicious activity seemed to be that he was black and wearing a hoodie.”

His only suspicious behavior?

Lets see. He was suspended from school three times for drugs and other concerns. He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a ‘marijuana pipe’ and a baggie with drug residue. He was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a ‘burglary tool’ and a bag full of women’s jewelry.

Now he was inside a secure gated community, at the time he was confonted. Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they’re not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.

Trayvon then said, “Well, you do now” or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there’s been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon’s family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range, according to authorities.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html
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April 6, 2012 10:19am
Weihana

Other Andy,

There are lies, , damned lies, and statistics.

…while “Blacks” only make up 12.6% of the population they make up 52.2% of the offenders.

I never questioned that they make up a disproportionate percentage of the offender population. That is not what Lee said. He first insisted they commit the vast majority of crime, not true, and then insisted that they commit 14 times as many murders, again not true.
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April 6, 2012 3:02pm
Weihana

Lee01,

His only suspicious behavior?

Lets see. He was suspended from school three times for drugs and other concerns. He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a ‘marijuana pipe’ and a baggie with drug residue. He was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a ‘burglary tool’ and a bag full of women’s jewelry.

Oh my he’s a teenager using marijuana. Stop the presses! How does that qualify as suspicious behaviour on the day in question and which Zimmerman could reasonably rely on as justifying his concern? He was walking home eating skittles FFS.

Now he was inside a secure gated community, at the time he was confonted

He was staying there you idiot. But of course a racist like yourself obviously doesn’t expect that a black person could possibly reside in a gated community.
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April 6, 2012 3:35pm
Weihana

Lee01,

Just one more thing. A neighborhood watchman is not a police officer. They are a civilian and they have no authority to approach anyone or to demand anything of anyone. If there is someone acting suspiciously then they should call the cops and let them handle it.

If you were walking down the street minding your own business and someone started following you and then approached you, what would you do? To be honest I don’t know what exactly happened between Zimmerman and Trayvon. But why is there this underlying assumption that the black guy doesn’t get to defend himself when approached by a nut with a gun but the white guy can use any and all force including death just because he’s a grown man in his late 20s with a gun and he’s scared of an unarmed teenager?

This is the problem here. Stand your ground only applies to the white guy. The black guy doesn’t get to stand his ground. When a crazed nut with a gun approaches him he’s not entitled to feel frightened, but the white guy is entitled because he’s scared of a black guy in a hoodie. That is the racism that is implicit in the application of this law.
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April 6, 2012 3:49pm
tom hunter

And you’re sure that he’s white guy Weihana? What was the phrase the MSM used: a white-hispanic because of his white father? So Obama is now a white-black?

It’s almost like the bad old days when hundreds of South African “coloureds” would find out each year whether they’d been classed as white or black. The NYT would have fit in with the Boers better than they imagine.

Obumble has been especially quiet about this since his could have been my son moment, which is not surprising when the MSM, the US left, and others have been walking this back in the last few days.

Maybe you should as well.
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April 6, 2012 4:32pm
Weihana

tom hunter,

Prejudice is about image. It doesn’t matter who your father or mother are, it’s about how people judge you in the split second when they first encounter you. The sting of racial prejudice doesn’t require racism per se. When one see’s a black youth in a hoodie people immediately stereotype that individual.

Now we could easily blame it all on the hoodie but the reality is that white boys in hoodies or Asian boys in hoodies do not generate the same stereotype and the same fear in people who wonder whether the young black boy in the hoodie is up to no good.

People are quick to understand why Zimmerman did what he did and to accept that, if the young black kid tried to defend himself from a nutter following and harassing him, deadly force was acceptable.
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April 7, 2012 1:40pm
tom hunter

Prejudice is about image …

Actually it’s about created images, but in any case …

NOW HEAR THIS
NOW HEAR THIS

THIS IS A NARRATIVE DESTRUCTION EXERCISE.
THE PROCESS WILL TAKE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 1 MINUTE.

THANK YOU

“You will recall the incident of the beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer. The beating sparked outrage in the community but there were very few that stepped up to do anything about it. I would presume the inaction was because of the fact that he was homeless not because he was black.

Do you know the individual who stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them flyers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??

That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.”

– from a letter to Turner Clayton of the Seminole County NAACP written by “a concerned Zimmerman family member”
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April 7, 2012 3:57pm
Weihana

tom hunter,

You seem to be insinuating that the narrative I am advancing is that Zimmerman is a racist. I am not. Indeed the first thing I said was that I don’t believe it was racially motivated. What I am saying is that prejudice plays a part, that we are all prejudiced, even the most tolerant people who are community-minded and who step up and take action when they see injustice. My point is that the existence of such prejudice contributes to racial discrimination and racial disadvantages even though it is not intended.

Unfortunately such prejudice is next to impossible to address. What can be done, however, is to get rid of laws that amplify the negative consequences of that prejudice. Florida can do away with “stand your ground” which encourages people to take the law into their own hands. They can expect that people will back off and call the police.
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