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Don the Kiwi

Great Day !!
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August 16, 2012 8:04am
Pete George

NZ Green economic policy has been labelled ‘daconomics’ – see ‘Daconomics’ bad, ‘evil coalition’ ok?

What are the features of daconomics? Double government spending, no cars, no mining, no drilling, no business, don’t worry, be happy?

Suggestions welcome.
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August 16, 2012 8:13am
Longknives

35 years since the death of the King….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9saX9cF248
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August 16, 2012 8:20am
Viking2

Only difference to Labour is that they would take the money from the rich pricks and give it to the unions and beneficiaries to help alleviate poverty in one of the richest countries per capita in the world.

Fucking idiots both lots.

Mind you their partners in this charade ain’t much better. They are giving it all to the brown bro people whilst all the time taxing everything that moves and borrowing to make up the difference..
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August 16, 2012 8:23am
graham

What the hell is ‘daconomics’?

Oh I get it – if it’s the Greens, it must be “smoke a lot of dak and hope everything just works out, dude …”
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August 16, 2012 8:26am
hj

Karl du Fresne: A quiet demographic revolution

Interesting that Spoonley states as fact (Q+A) “Well, Auckland – there’s an agglomeration effect, so the bigger Auckland becomes, the more attractive it becomes. It becomes more attractive economically, but it also becomes more attractive as a place to live.”

He (apparently) isn’t familiar with the findings of the Savings Working Group who blamed high immigration for high house prices, higher interest rates and lack of capital deepening. Or the Australian Productivity Commission which pointed out that there was little or no discernible economic benefit to Australians from immigration: “it had all been captured by the migrants”
http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/karl-du-fresne-quiet-demographic.html
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August 16, 2012 8:28am
hj

Spoonely thinks positively trumps objectively in journalism:

In summary, the decade can be divided into two parts. The first is dominated by a
moral panic about immigration, specifically from Asia, which was reflected in media
reporting. The politicisation and problematisation of Asian migration was mirrored
in the print media. After 1997, and certainly since 2000, opinion and feature writers
adopted a very different approach, prompted in part by a major downturn in Asian
immigration and a greater appreciation of at least the economic benefits of
immigration but also as a result of a growing awareness amongst journalists that
they had a role to play in explaining (positively) the complex issues of immigration.
There was a realisation, from both managers and the journalists concerned, that these
new migrants were an increasingly significant audience in their own right, underlined
by the decline in print sales and revenue.
Reporting Superdiversity. The
Mass Media and Immigration
in New Zealand
Paul Spoonley & Andrew Butcher (Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee)
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August 16, 2012 8:31am
smttc

The NIMBYs of Whanganui need to grow up.
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August 16, 2012 8:45am
Keeping Stock

Josie Pagani has taken a right good swing at The Standard, and the keyboard warriors who inhabit there. One day they might realise how much harm they are doing to “the cause”, but hopefully not before the 2017 General Election 😀

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/josie-pagani-responds.html
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August 16, 2012 8:51am
Falafulu Fisi

To Epilepsy & Heart patient readers here or perhaps clinicians who are specialists in these 2 areas. Or may be readers who know a patient.

I have a question that you may be able to give me some hints on its market viability.

Would you like to see a electronic wearable mobile application tools available in the market to:

– detect the onset of seizure

– detect the onset of VF (Ventricular Fibrillation), VT (Ventricular Tachycardia) or PVC (Premature Ventricular Contraction).

thus giving the patient a warning or alert the specialists or perhaps ambulance for hospitalization – via smart-phone, etc?

This technology hasn’t been widely commercialized yet, but lots of R&D that have been published on how to do those. I’m just basically want to jump and develop these applications. There’s no point in developing these apps. if there’s no markets for it (well, initially).

Here is a brief of how the technology works. In the case of an epileptic patient, he/she wears an EEG data-acquisition head-set like this one here. The head-set monitors the brain signal and transmitted to your smartphone wireless which is then remotely transmitted to a central server to be processed and detect any signature of an impending seizure and give a warning before it happens. The same thing for the heart patient. The patient wears a small device with electrodes that are hooked up to him/her to measure the ECG hear signals. Again, this data is transferred to the smartphone and transmitted into a central server somewhere to be processed in real-time and detect any anomaly which are signatures of VF, VT or PVC and then alert you or your specialist, etc…

The 2 systems here are separate systems. Epileptic detection system and heart failure detection system.

Please give me an indication here if you are susceptible to or suffer either one of the above conditions, if this is something viable commercially. Perhaps I can start locally in NZ then try to market it internationally. I already have a small team of software developers (signal processing engineers, physicists, mathematicians) that we can do this and may be we can pull in some investors & venture capitalists to fund it.
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August 16, 2012 9:03am
Keeping Stock

@ smttc – I don’t agree with the pitchforks and bonfires brigade that a certain talkback host is pitching his message to, but there is genuine unease in the community about the decision to relocate Wilson here. He is a bad piece of work with no remorse for his past offending. Given half a chance, it is highly likely that he will reoffend. And, living as I do less than 10 kms from the prison, I do not want my wife, nor any of my friends to be his next victim.
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August 16, 2012 9:04am
MT_Tinman

Having talked to a couple of people connected to the Wanganui decision recently I am convinced that Wanganui is the perfect place for Mr Wilson to reside.
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August 16, 2012 9:16am
nasska

Keeping Stock

Wilson is a piece of shit & it is not surprising that people don’t want him in their midst. It is although, worth pointing out to the hysterical ones that he is not a street mugger or rapist. His modus operandi is to befriend & then abuse vulnerable women & their children.

So long as his presence in any community is revealed & his movements are watched he is highly unlikely to be dangerous.
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August 16, 2012 9:22am
smttc

KS, you may not. But the NIMBYs oif Whanganui are not dealing with legal reality.
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August 16, 2012 9:22am
William J

If you have a bit of ‘Thursday-itis’, check out this group of Waiheke Islanders aged 65 years to 96 years old dancing in downtown Auckland last Thursday. They are the World’s Oldest Flash Mob. Will make you very proud to be a kiwi 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMd5KFG1vQ
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August 16, 2012 9:24am
Falafulu Fisi

William J, the choreographer did a very good job there with the oldies.

Anyway, those oldies perhaps is the target market that need the real-time heart monitoring technology of which I described in my previous post above.
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August 16, 2012 9:32am
nasska

Falafulu Fisi

Mercifully I don’t suffer from either complaint & nor do any of my surviving immediate family. That is not to say that I or them wouldn’t embrace such technology in the future should it come available. Cost will be a factor of any uptake…..just because there is a need doesn’t mean that people will sell their houses to buy such an invention.

Wouldn’t the Heart Foundation or Epilepsy New Zealand be worth canvassing for their views?
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August 16, 2012 9:46am
Falafulu Fisi

Nasska,

I’ve sent messages to them on Tuesday on Tuesday, but the reply I’ve got from the admin (both organizations) that they have forward my messages to certain specialists where they might be able to give me their views on such technologies. I’m awaiting some feedback from those specialists.
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August 16, 2012 9:51am
Brian Smaller

The “nimbys’ of Wanganui are the nimby’s of every town and suburb in New Zealand who would not want this thing living in their community. Of course, smttc, you wouldn’t mind if he stayed next door to your place I am sure.
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August 16, 2012 9:54am
smttc

Brian, personally it wouldn’t affect me as I live alone.

But the reality is Corrections can’t keep this man in prison any longer and he has to be housed somewhere. It turns out it will be next to a prison 10 kms from Whanganui under strict conditions.

Corrections seem to be doing all they can to deal with the problems this man presents.

NIMBYs of Whanganui deal with it.
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August 16, 2012 10:12am
graham

And if you had daughters, smttc, would you be so carefree?

Yes he has to be let out, and obviously has to live somewhere. Just saying, I can understand the concerns of Wanganui residents. I have a daughter, and I’m very glad I don’t live in Wanganui, because I would be worried sick for her safety, and her friends.
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August 16, 2012 10:19am
bereal

“But as long as a man
Has the strength to dream
He can redeem his soul and fly.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CMlYVu9J4g

Elvis, inspired by Dr Martin Luther Kings speech, “I have a dream.”
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August 16, 2012 10:35am
Keeping Stock

What does concern me smttc is the appeal by those who ought know better to the redneck fringe (of which Wanganui has as many as anywhere else) to take matters into their own hands over Wilson. Such a response leaves us just a hop, skip and a jump away from anarchy. I do not want Stewart Murray Wilson in this community, but I would expect the full force of the law to be applied to anyone who tried to solve the problem of Wilson for themselves, and against those who have given them the idea.
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August 16, 2012 10:38am
smttc

Graham, I do have a daughter and I am not being carefree.

Corrections are doing all they can.

If the guy breaches any of the conditions imposed on his release, he will be back in prison before he can do any harm.
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August 16, 2012 10:40am
Keeping Stock

@ smttc – unfortunately, there’s no guarantee of that. Wilson is rat-cunning, manipulative and without any apparent sense of right or wrong. And when he reoffends, there will be a victim; that’s a plain, simple reality. It’s one hell of a dilemma.
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August 16, 2012 10:48am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

It turns out babies don’t have a moral compass after all, New Zealand researchers have found.
An Otago University study has quashed the findings of a landmark 2007 Yale study which found that infants could tell the good guys from the bad guys.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7489540/Babies-have-no-moral-compass-NZ-study-finds

Just like the climate change science is peer reviewed and ‘set’?
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August 16, 2012 11:04am
graham

KS @ 10:48 – Got it in one.

Yes to rehabilitation, yes to “done the crime, done the time”, yes to “reintegration into society”, and all that. But at the end of the day … I don’t want my daughter to be the example pointed to by people who say “THIS is why he shouldn’t have been let out”.

NIMBY mentality? Maybe. But my family comes first. Sorry ’bout that.
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August 16, 2012 11:11am
joana

Why are the muslims celebrating Eid in parliament this year? At the invitation of Judith Collins no less..See Winds of Jihad.
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August 16, 2012 11:52am
backster

It has been stated that Wilson will be monitored by two people 24 hours a day. Does that mean 8 or more people full time? There was a lesser pedophile offender monitored in such a manner living incognito at Pukerua Bay some years ago. He avoided his watchers and was located some days later in a Wellington Brothel. Admittedly he wasn’t wearing a positioning anklet. There is a lot of open easy country around Wanganui in which a resourceful determined prisoner could exist reasonably comfortably and so many roads exiting the district that the first problem would be where to look first.
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August 16, 2012 12:08pm
kowtow

joana

I hope no one brings the discussion around to family and marriage. Could cause some indigestion.
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August 16, 2012 12:29pm
joana

Kowtow,
How many other groups get this ”entertained in parliament routine?” Why isn’t this in our NZ papers? The only other group I know of to get such red carpet treatment is the Sensible Sentencing Trust..I don’t live in Wgtn so am out of touch. How appropriate is it for a religious group to receive this kind of fanfare?
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August 16, 2012 12:42pm
Luke Mutton

UK police prepare to over ride Ecuador’s diplomatic sovereignty and arrest Assange.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-police-raid-assanges-embassy-refuge-20120816-249pe.html

Is there no government prepeared to say a big FUCK YOU to the US? Other than ecuador, that is.

Look out Kim Dotcom, I’m pretty sure any day now the FBI will “discover’ your stash of kiddie porn.
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August 16, 2012 12:53pm
bhudson

”A capital gains tax is fundamentally important to direct investment capital into productive exports on the basis of profitability – instead of away from it because of a tax bias.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7490633/Labour-eyes-new-hands-on-economic-policies

I notice that then media, yet again, fail to call David Parker on how a capital gains tax that taxes productive and non-productive investments the same will somehow create an incentive to favour one over the other.

Oh, that’s right. Parker doesn’t want to treat them all the same – art and jewellery collectors won’t have to pay CGT. And you won’t have to pay CGT on the family home. But you will have to (in effect) pay death duties on that family home if you inherit it.
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August 16, 2012 1:22pm
Paulus

Heard that Wilson will cost at least $100,000 a year to monitor.
And a free State house, to be delivered on site.
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August 16, 2012 2:04pm
David Garrett

joana: what “red carpet” treatment did SST get at parliament pray? Must have happened either before or after my time…
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August 16, 2012 2:39pm
cha

The fantasy scenario you know who would pen.

Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future.

In May 2016 an extremist militia motivated by the goals of the “tea party” movement takes over the government of Darlington, South Carolina, occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council, and placing the mayor under house arrest. Activists remove the chief of police and either disarm local police and county sheriff departments or discourage them from interfering. In truth, this is hardly necessary. Many law enforcement officials already are sympathetic to the tea party’s agenda, know many of the people involved, and have made clear they will not challenge the takeover. The militia members are organized and have a relatively well thought-out plan of action.
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August 16, 2012 2:54pm
my 2 cents

Nice trolling Cha
It’s days old.
lets try to bang the Americans/tea party/right wing/christians shall we?

How about we talk about how broke NZ is really?
Maybe about the fact that Super is broken and heading to a crash?
Maybe that only 168,000 Kiwis pay 98% of all the personal collected tax?

These are things that need fixing asap?
Got any coherant ideas??
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August 16, 2012 4:36pm
chiz

Zombie Garden gnomes.
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August 16, 2012 5:05pm
Nookin

Uncle Sam isn’t doing too well in our Court system, is he?

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/from/decisions/judgments (refer High Court decision USA v Dotcom)
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August 16, 2012 5:12pm
Viking2

US appeal on Dotcom evidence dismissed
KELSEY FLETCHER
Last updated 16:25 16/08/2012

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The US bid to extradite Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom has suffered a knock back.

A New Zealand judge has upheld a decision that the US Government must reveal the information it has gathered about Dotcom which forms the basis of its court case in the US against him.

The United States had sought to judicially review the decision saying it was unprecedented in New Zealand law. It said there was no requirement to reveal its case to Dotcom as it pursued an order to have him extradited back to the US to face copyright charges.

This afternoon Justice Helen Winkelmann dismissed the application for review saying without disclosure Dotcom and his co-accused would be considerably constrained in their ability to defend an extradition hearing.

Lawyer John Pike, acting for the US government, had earlier told Justice Winkelmann that it didn’t have to disclose all this information as it needed only to prove its case was strong enough that a jury could reasonably convict Dotcom and his co-accused.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7491404/US-appeal-on-Dotcom-evidence-dismissed
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August 16, 2012 5:55pm
cha

The grammar is way too familiar so I’d say you’re someone’s sock puppet .

Anyhoo….

Nice trolling Cha

Yup, perfect. You bit.

It’s days old.
lets try to bang the Americans/tea party/right wing/christians shall we?

Perhaps the 20 year old Charles Dunlap essay, The Origins Of The 2012 Coup, is more to your liking?. And fuck yeah, lets!.

How about we talk about how broke NZ is really?

SFW, they were saying the same thing when I first voted in 1975. Besides, don’t you believe JK when he says we’re doing OK?.

Maybe about the fact that Super is broken and heading to a crash?

SFW, I’ve been saving since 1970 so any NS I pick up will help pay for all those luxuries I deserve.

Maybe that only 168,000 Kiwis pay 98% of all the personal collected tax?

SFW, I’ve never been on any sort of benefit, been sick or had any kids and I’ve never whinged and whined about or begrudged paying tax since starting work as a sixteen year old. Why would I start now?.

You?.

These are things that need fixing asap?

Sure, you should start right away.

Got any coherant ideas??

Nothing I’d care to share with you socky boy.
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August 16, 2012 6:01pm
Viking2

She also found the “Record of Case”, the document which made the argument for extradition, did not currently meet the legal requirements.

She said the FBI was under an “obligation of candour” to provide any evidence which could impact on the court’s judgment of whether the extradition threshold had been met – and no information had been provided to support FBI claims. The document “did not comply”, she said.

Justice Winkelmann said Dotcom had a legal right to see the evidence on which he was to be extradited. Without it, she said someone in his position would be “significantly constrained” in participating in the extradition hearing and the United States – in this case – would have a “significant advantage” by having access to the evidence.
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August 16, 2012 6:09pm
nasska

V2

I’m actually discovering a new respect for the NZ Judiciary. When the police first arrested Dotcom after the Rambo wankfest I immediately presumed that “the system” would collectively roll over & wait for the Yanks to do a tummy rub.

Instead Hollywood’s bum boys are really struggling to present an acceptable, coherent case for extradition.
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August 16, 2012 6:40pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/brittni-colleps-accused-of-having-group-sex-orgy-with-four-students-filmed-on-a-mobile-phone/story-fnddckzi-1226451490649

I was hoping this was what “Tomorrows Schools” was to have in store for me but alas, no.
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August 16, 2012 7:17pm
Viking2

naaska, its really is nice for a change to have a Judge have some principles that are not driven by fear and socialist upbringing.
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August 16, 2012 7:27pm
Viking2

Gentlemen,
I have been riding your trains daily for the last two years, and the service on your line seems to be getting worse every day. I am tired of standing in the aisle all the time on a 14-mile trip. I think the transportation system is worse than that enjoyed by people 2,000 years ago.
Yours truly,
Patrick Finnegan

——————————–

Dear Mr. Finnegan,
We received your letter with reference to the shortcomings of our service and believe you are somewhat confused in your history. The only mode of transportation 2,000 years ago was by foot.
Sincerely,
Irish Railway Company
———————————–

Gentlemen,
I am in receipt of your letter, and I think you are the ones who are confused in your history. If you will refer to the Bible and the Book of Numbers Chapter 22, you will find that Balaam rode to town on his ass.
That…. Gentlemen, is something I have not been able to do on your train in the last two years!
Yours truly,
Patrick Finnegan.
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August 16, 2012 7:28pm
Viking2

BRYAN’S wife thought it was very romantic when he vowed to have a picture of her tattooed on his arm.

“There’s just no pleasing some women!” he moaned, after she threw him out of the house..

http://screencast.com/t/9CtD7ejZlICI
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August 16, 2012 7:42pm
Viking2

The Maori Alphabet

ACC-DPB-KFC-TAB-WINZ- and now H2O

Now I know my ABC, lets go claim the whole Country!
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August 16, 2012 7:43pm
Viking2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/7489843/Victim-warns-people-to-look-out-for-spiders

A Blenheim man is paranoid about what lurks in the tool shed after a white tail spider bite.

After being bitten by the spider, Peter Crighton said an itch had turned into a throbbing pain.

“It’s not gonna kill you, but it is going to mess your day up.”

Mr Crighton suspected he had been bitten by a white tail spider after he began to feel dizzy and sick, but decided to wait until the next day, a Monday, to visit his doctor.

The doctor confirmed he had been bitten three or four times and guessed the culprit was a white tail.

The bite was sliced open with a knife, and a foul-smelling liquid erupted from the wound, Mr Crighton said. “The stench was indescribable,” he said.

“It just exploded all over the nurses, I felt so sorry for them.”

Don’t treat them lightly.
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August 16, 2012 7:48pm
nasska

A man from Dublin wrote to an English editor, “If you
don’t stop printing those derogatory Irish jokes, most
of which imply we’re thick & dishonest, I’m going to quit stealing
your stupid magazine.”
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August 16, 2012 8:01pm
nasska

And something for the bleeding heart “crims are just misunderstood & weren’t breastfed brigade”. 🙂

Ref: http://i.imgur.com/26Twq.jpg
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August 16, 2012 8:08pm
kowtow

nasska is so thick that when he was a nipper he used to play truant on Sundays.
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August 16, 2012 8:30pm
Reid

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/15/air-force-hypersonic-test-fails/

Alrighty then.

What I don’t understand is, why are they bothering pretending they don’t already have much more advanced technology than this rather primitive stuff?

I mean what pray tell do they think the public are? A bunch of low IQ know-nothing naive morons? We’re not like that at all, are we? I just wish just for once, we learned them, then they’d know. Those bastards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CdXD2a3Jpp4
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August 16, 2012 8:37pm
nasska

Recently leaked documents from the Vatican have shown why the Catholic Church is protecting paedophiles.

Apparently, the last time they shunned a child molester, he started Islam.
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August 16, 2012 8:41pm
Johnboy

Coming to your local picture theatre soon. Starring Sir Ted as John the Baptist and SBW as Jesus.

“COMETH THE WORD OF THE GREAT REDEEMER”

Bigger than Charlton Heston as Moses, Bigger than Cecil B DeMille. Bigger than BIG.

Book your tickets now.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/7493896/Henry-believes-SBW-will-return-to-rugby
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August 16, 2012 8:53pm
Reid

If you’re interested in a potential tangent to take up later over the weekend at your leisure, watch from 1:10 to at least around 1:15 in order to get the full flavour of what he’s talking about, less than that, you risk making pre-judgements and not getting the full picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE&feature=related
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August 16, 2012 9:22pm
BillODrees

Paganis prefer Kiwiblog to The Standard! And the have the ear of Goff, King, Mallard, Robertson and the two limp-dick Davids…not Cunliffe.

It is official. These phenomenal strategists, who have shepherded the Labour party to fantastic successes since 2008, are at home with Key’s Fan Club. Farrar and friends: I take off my cap off to you.

PS. If I send you adoption papers, and $10k per name above, will you have them?

$11k?
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August 16, 2012 10:43pm
Monique Watson

I missed the joke session. For those up early.

I was at the airport and a guy come up to me and said, “lost something mate”? I said, “yes, my wife”. He said: “Me too”.
I said, ” What does she look like”? He said, “Blonde,long tanned legs up to her neck,wearing a mini skirt,no knickers,no bra,big tits and a see thru top”. “Whats your look like”? I said, “Who gives a fuck. Lets look for yours”.
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August 17, 2012 5:16am
Manolo

Backing a clown, a buffoon: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/presidential-campaign/243983-white-house-says-obama-is-sticking-with-biden-as-running-mate
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