General Debate 17 December 2012

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mikenmild

Gosh, is that the time? Must rush off to work!
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December 17, 2012 8:03am
graham

No, that’s not the time. Time is an arbitrary concept.

That’s your computer’s clock display 🙂

/smartarse
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December 17, 2012 8:13am
Longknives

And todays instalment in the ongoing series ‘Lies that David Bain told Binnie’….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10854521

‘Would have been a World-famous singer’…Hmmm
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December 17, 2012 8:13am
Pete George

The corruption of Christmas continues. On top of the commercial clamour to buy buy buy we now have the money lenders offering quick cash loans – two weeks interest free, or a chance to win a technogadget – and slightly delayed financial misery for the gullible and desperate.

It reminds me of The Temple:

I got heaven and I got hell.

And

My temple should be a house of prayer,
But you have made it a den of thieves.

I’m not religious, but I wonder at what has become of <a href="http://yournz.org/2012/12/17/christmas-crashed-and-crushed-by-consumerism/".Christmas – crashed and crushed be consumerism.
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December 17, 2012 8:14am
Pete George

Lack of edit is a bit of a bugger.
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December 17, 2012 8:15am
Manolo

Gosh, is that the time? Must rush off to work!

comrade mike, does WINZ open that early? 🙂
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December 17, 2012 8:22am
peterwn

Manolo – Employee starting time in shops and offices is generally much earlier than public opening time. Most work gets done when the front door is locked. Banks used to open 10am – 3pm. The rest of the time was needed to balance tills (they had to balance to the last penny) and update the ledgers.
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December 17, 2012 8:31am
Paulus

Bain Case – who would ever thought that I would agree with Tapu Misa in the Harold today where she agrees with Judith Collins’s handling of this Canadian report.
Well done Tapu.

Whereas on the following pages they have full page devoted to that failed UK Labour MP Bryan Gould who, as a member of the NZ Labour Election committee, or whatever it is called, who of course takes the opposite to Tapu in criticising Collins.
Typical ignorant blinkered Labour PRAT…………….no wondered he did not get re-elected in UK, so Helen (his friend) gave him a sinecure at Waikato ????University.

Herald Editorial ……..Get Real
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December 17, 2012 8:33am
James Stephenson

The corruption of Christmas

The campaign for a real Christmas in NZ is starting? Excellent, can we move the bloody thing to the middle of winter where it’s supposed to be?
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December 17, 2012 8:35am
Keeping Stock

Rodney Hide has a measure of sympathy for Brendan Horan and the way that Winston Peters has dealt to him. But if Horan’s phone records (with nothing illegal on them) are fair game for public release, why not release all NZF MP’s phone records, including those of the leader. I am sure that they would provide some very interesting reading…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/hide-on-horan.html
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December 17, 2012 8:42am
RRM

Typical ignorant blinkered Labour PRAT…………….no wondered he did not get re-elected in UK, so Helen (his friend) gave him a sinecure at Waikato ????University.

faculty appointments in the universities

The Evil Helen’s reach is indeed wide… and now she can even control faculty appointments in the universities! 🙂

The shadow is now upon us… the end has come.

( Only 4 more days until the end of the world, what are kiwiblog peeps doing to fill in the time? 😉 )
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December 17, 2012 8:51am
joana

What is it with posers in NZ Unis? New , new , world first , unique , unique..bla bla bla.. So called researchers at Victoria and I think Massey are blithering on about the increase in church attendance in Canterbury since the earthquakes..Why the surprise.??….this is very old news..The fact that earthquakes greatly increase church attendance has been known for decades. I have mentioned it to people over the years..
These posers seem to think that if something is new to them it is a world first when really all they are revealing is just how poorly read they are.
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December 17, 2012 8:56am
dime

lol that David Bain really is a piece of shit.

He thinks he would have been a famous opera singer!! im surprised he didnt go the hole hog “i would have pioneered late 0’s boy bands” or “i would have been bigger than michael jackson”.

he feels he lost the years where he would earn the most money?? really? who the hell makes most of their money between early 20’s and mid 30’s? dudes in boy bands? all blacks??
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December 17, 2012 9:11am
James Stephenson

who the hell makes most of their money between early 20′s and mid 30′s? dudes in boy bands? all blacks??

~~Ladies~~ persons of negotiable affection?
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December 17, 2012 9:19am
James Stephenson

Curse the lack of edit.

Bain-y could have been the real Deuce Bigalow.
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December 17, 2012 9:21am
RRM

LOL – plenty of kids with good voices work really hard at it for years and still don’t make it in the Opera world.

He could start having lessons now, what’s stopping him?

If his voice could hack a big Verdi role he could probably bring some real insight to the role of MacBeth though… 😆
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December 17, 2012 9:26am
Pete George

( Only 4 more days until the end of the world, what are kiwiblog peeps doing to fill in the time?)

This Mayan calendar thing is freaky. A couple of cartoons sum it up: Space out Mayan Calendar
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December 17, 2012 9:32am
dime

( Only 4 more days until the end of the world, what are kiwiblog peeps doing to fill in the time? )

Dime spent the weekend locked in a hotel room with his hot little 22 yr old chick. Happy Dime.

Dimes getting old. Not blue pill old, but i think i did a hammy and im sleepy…
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December 17, 2012 9:39am
Longknives

“If his voice could hack a big Verdi role he could probably bring some real insight to the role of MacBeth though…”

Brilliant!
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December 17, 2012 9:40am
RightNow

Stuff: “Man dies after freak dump accident”

Not what I thought it was going to be.
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December 17, 2012 9:44am
peterwn

Re Brendan. This just shows the importance of being ‘squeaky clean’ when you are a trustee of money (whether as a club treasurer, your aged parents’ affairs, etc). What may be OK for your own finances is not OK as a trustee. If Brendan had noted in (say) a notebook all transactions on behalf of his mother, kept her money separate from his and was transparent about any borrowings, suspicions would not have arisen and if they did would have been immediately quelled. So at the very least he is now suffering because he was not careful and transparent in the way he handled his mother’s finances. The onus tends to be on a trustee to prove he or she is doing the right thing, not the other way around. His ‘she’ll be right attitude’ (even if there is smoke without the fire) has cost him his political career.
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December 17, 2012 9:45am
Elaycee

dime:

he feels he lost the years where he would earn the most money?? really? who the hell makes most of their money between early 20′s and mid 30′s? dudes in boy bands? all blacks??

Paper boys? 😀
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December 17, 2012 9:46am
Elaycee

Bugger – no edit. Wasn’t meant to be in bold.
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December 17, 2012 9:47am
Paulus

RRM

I am fully aware that the appointment to source Gould from UK by an Auckland Consultant, who flew to UK to talk to him , as he did not have a job, was heavily influenced by Helen Clark.
Of course the Faculty made the decision – Yea
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December 17, 2012 9:57am
Falafulu Fisi

I’ve been alerted by my mates at the University of Auckland Physics’ Department, that a physicist from JPL-Caltech/NASA, Dr. Amy Mainzer is holding a talk at PLT1 lecture theater from 2pm to 3pm this afternoon to talk about her work. Anyone can go in, so I’ll be knocking off mid-day so I can check out this lecture. Her talk wasn’t scheduled since she decided at the last minute to fly over here from Aussie after visiting research collaborators at ANU. That’s the reason why her visit wasn’t published at the Uni event newsletter. She’s here briefly to see research collaborators at Auck Uni Physics Department.
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December 17, 2012 9:57am
James Stephenson

@Paulus

no wondered he did not get re-elected in UK

Actually, after he lost the post-Kinnock leadership election to John Smith, he threw a hissy over something and resigned from Smith’s shadow cabinet.

Don’t, and can’t, disagree with your basic assessment of his qualities though…
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December 17, 2012 10:15am
David Garrett

It says a great deal about the Herald that they continue to give op-ed space regularly to the failed Labour hack Gould..They used to make some effort to make their op-eds balanced – they published stuff of mine, and pieces by Minto and Bradford and the like. Now it’s four or five Tapu Misa’s and Bryan Gould’s for every one piece by some rightie no-one has heard of…
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December 17, 2012 11:21am
Fletch

Dammit, what’s with the Metservice video?
They haven’t updated the forecast since Friday.

Oh, and they’ve redesigned the site so the arrows in the logo are now Maori koros FFS.
Does everything have to have a Maori symbol/connection?
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December 17, 2012 11:40am
Carlos

Sorry, to be positive but I felt compelled to share this.

Moments that restored our faith in humanity this year:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments-that-restored-our-faith-in-humanity-this-y
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December 17, 2012 11:42am
Fletch

Hah, this is funny…

Conservatives were really worried about the Obama Administrations involvement and giving inside info to film makers for the new release Zero Dark Thirty, about the capturing of Osama Bin Laden. They feared it would be a propaganda piece for Obama. Instead it validates Bush’s War On Terror and it’s interrogation techniques and makes Obama look weak.

Well done! The writer of the following article from the NY Post almost makes the point that waterboarding is not torture, and that several people including actors have volunteered to have it done to themselves.

After seeing it, I can report that it is a clear vindication for the Bush administration’s view of the War on Terror. Moreover, “ZD30” subtly presents President Obama and by extension the entire Democratic establishment and its supporters in the media as hindering the effort to find bin Laden by politicizing harsh interrogation techniques and striking a pose against them that was naive at best.

Does “ZD30” glorify torture? No, because no one is tortured in it. The worst procedure shown is waterboarding, and while this is an extremely unpleasant process (it’s not even easy to watch a movie simulation of it), it isn’t torture.

Any reasonable definition of torture must exclude procedures that sane people would undergo on a lark. Journalists such as Kaj Larsen and Christopher Hitchens have volunteered to be waterboarded in exchange for nothing more than a cocktail-party anecdote and some copy. (Indeed, Larsen paid $800 for the privilege.) A mixed-martial-arts trainer named Ed Clay volunteered to be waterboarded because he was upset about the general tenor of discussion during a Republican presidential debate and wanted to prove something or other.

Method actors are being waterboarded. Not only did “ZD30” star Jason Clarke volunteer to undergo the procedure for the role — though his character is the guy administering punishment, not taking it — even Denzel Washington says he consented to the procedure while preparing to make the silly thriller “Safe House.” It’s getting so you can’t attend a dinner party in Washington, New York or Beverly Hills without meeting someone who agreed to be waterboarded.

Would any of these people have agreed to undergo having their fingernails ripped out one by one? Would any have said, “I need a topic for my next column/something to talk about for my profile in Entertainment Weekly. Will someone please sever my little toe with a rusty butcher knife?”

[…]

Such subtleties escape Obama in the only scene in which he appears. It’s a clip from an actual “60 Minutes” interview in which he says primly that America doesn’t torture, won’t torture under his watch and needs to restore its moral standing in the world.

None of the CIA agents in the room responds in words, but to me the look on Chastain’s face is disbelief at Obama’s naivety. Certainly she isn’t happy, and it’s very much to Bigelow and Boal’s credit that no one in the CIA is ever shown playing to the cheap seats by moaning, “Oh God, what are we doing? This is so wrong! Somebody go to the press with all the evil stuff we’ve been up to!” CNN national-security analyst Peter Bergen wrote, “In the film, Obama’s opposition to torture comes off as wrongheaded and prissy.”

The upshot of the “60 Minutes” clip is that Maya and the CIA are presented with a new ticking clock. They now must work against a countdown to the faux-moral posturing of an incoming president who will be severely restricting their ability to obtain information.

[…]

It’s amusing to observe liberal film critics getting discombobulated as they try to reconcile the film’s evident strengths, and its message, with their own discomfort with an America-first narrative and their belief that such stories are for cretins.

New York magazine’s lively critic David Edelstein, for instance, calls the movie “The most neutral-seeming ‘America, F–k Yeah!’ picture ever made. In its narrative arc, it is barely distinct from a boneheaded right-wing revenge picture.” Also he calls it a “borderline fascistic” and “unholy” film that “borders on the politically and morally reprehensible” — even as he endorses what it depicts and calls it the best picture of the year. He calls the opening interrogation scene “unpleasant but not unwelcome” (so is he calling himself a fascist?) and goes on to aver that, “To paraphrase Dick Cheney, you sometimes have to go to the dark side.”

Edelstein once called Cheney “so much scarier than Darth Vader,” “entrenched in evil and slime” and said, “there’s no way to account for him on a terrestrial level.” One movie changed his mind and put him on the pro side of the evil-slime debate?

Read the whole thing –
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_lesson_of_zero_dark_thirty_SCajSstz6mhANEFnny0m0I
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December 17, 2012 12:17pm
Fletch

~~almost~~ also makes the point
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December 17, 2012 12:19pm
graham

So it turns out that Gerard Depardieu decided that he would move to Belgium to escape from the increasing tax rises enacted by France’s president François Hollande.

And it further turns out that the French prime minister has got the pip and called him “pathetic”, and another Socialist MP has called for the actor to be stripped of his nationality.

And the latest update states that Depardieu may do the job for them – he intends (supposedly) to turn in his passport and renounce his French citizenship.

Now, who was saying that higher taxes are the answer, and of course all the rich people wouldn’t leave France???
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December 17, 2012 12:19pm
hinamanu

TWO shadows running past GYM while police are heard saying ‘THEY are coming toward us. We got THEM’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnoljgC-2xM

Another shooting with more shooters involved
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December 17, 2012 12:56pm
Harriet

“…..They used to make some effort to make their op-eds balanced – they published stuff of mine, and pieces by Minto and Bradford and the like…..”

Liar!

Your not at the opposite end of the intelligence spectrum DG! 😎
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December 17, 2012 1:31pm
Manolo

Lets hope the Japs come right: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/16/15944080-conservatives-sweep-to-power-in-faltering-japan?lite
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December 17, 2012 2:38pm
Rodders

RRM @ 9.26am – If Macbeth doesn’t suit the vocal range, Iago or The Duke of Mantua might 😉
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December 17, 2012 4:14pm
David Garrett

Harriet: The medication sometimes takes a wee while to kick in…Hang in there…
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December 17, 2012 5:36pm
tristanb

A NZ jury does it again.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8089583/Manslaughter-conviction-and-acquittal-for-journalist-death

Manslaughter and aquittal.

A fucking joke.
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December 17, 2012 6:29pm
mikenmild

Did you hear all the evidence, tristan?
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December 17, 2012 6:33pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249028/Bob-Blackman-Tory-MP-leading-crusade-safeguard-traditional-marriage-11-year-affair-wifes-back.html

I think I may have found Andrei – marriage between one man and one woman — you just don’t count the mistress of 11 years you have been shagging on the side. Good times
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December 17, 2012 7:11pm
mikenmild

PEB
Reddy might come along to tell us that Bob Blackman was obviously a commie all along.
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December 17, 2012 7:16pm
mikenmild

I liked Bob Blackman’s electoral opponents comment on him:
“So sorry my failure let this abominable fool become an MP. Lets make him a one-term wonder.”
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December 17, 2012 7:21pm
mikenmild

[opponent’s] Please bring back the edit function.
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December 17, 2012 7:22pm
bhudson

The inconvenience to you of our stuff up is so important to us we’re going to give you something that has a marginal cost to us of basically nothing. Please say thank you.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10854587

“Telecom’s free calls spark more criticism”

Is it any bloody wonder?
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December 17, 2012 7:27pm
bhudson

“Cottrell trial: One guilty of manslaughter”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10854659

Please tell us the jury didn’t return a not guilty to murder because the assailant ‘couldn’t have known that he suffered from a condition that made his bones brittle.
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December 17, 2012 7:33pm
nasska

Another hard week coming up in the public service sector:

Monday: Diversity training
Tuesday: Planning for New Year’s industrial action
Wednesday: Xmas shopping
Thursday: Whole day bitching about Key & Parata
Friday: Sickie
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December 17, 2012 7:53pm
Steve (North Shore)

Actually nasska I was just going to make the statement:

General Debate is very quiet today for a Monday. The schoolteachers are on holiday until fuck knows when, so they should be on the blogs in full force.
Meanwhile, the producers keep on working
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December 17, 2012 8:18pm
mikenmild

nasska
I wasn’t planning on that strenuous a week.
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December 17, 2012 8:22pm
nasska

It’s a tough life for those poor buggers hanging on the public tit Steve. Everything gets closed down for a week while the poor petals recuperate from the exhaustion of doing stuff all for another year.

As for the teachers it will give them a chance to plot industrial action for next year.
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December 17, 2012 8:29pm
nasska

mikenmild

You’re honest….hopeless, left leaning & bone idle but honest. 🙂
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December 17, 2012 8:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

Where is ‘johnboy’?
Geeze I hope he has not found some Australian sheep, or some desert goats in the wastelands that want to pay money
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December 17, 2012 8:50pm
nasska

There were two blondes who went deep into the frozen woods searching for a Christmas tree. After hours of subzero temperatures and a few close calls with death, one blonde turned to the other and said,
“I’m chopping down the next tree I see. I don’t care whether it’s decorated or not!”
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December 17, 2012 8:55pm
mikenmild

Bone idle? Who keeps the country running over the holidays? Police, nurses, doctors, air traffic controllers, etc, etc.
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December 17, 2012 8:58pm
nasska

And it’s the poor bloody farmer loading hay on Xmas day who gets mugged for the tax to pay them! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:02pm
Pauleastbay

milk

But you are none of those, you dont even fucking work you just latched onto the idea that you were a PS when someone suggested on here
And Doctors or nurses aren’t public servants, jesus, proves my point that you never leave your bed sit in Naenae
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December 17, 2012 9:09pm
Johnboy

I’m here Steve (North Shore).

I’ve just being struggling with Mr. Lanza’s deeds.

I’m wondering if he was a frustrated opera singer somewhat similar to our own mass murderer. 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:17pm
mikenmild

PEB
It’s quite a while since I lived in Naenae; but do tell why doctors and nurses aren’t public servants.
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December 17, 2012 9:19pm
Johnboy

My Doctor is in Naenae and he is a fuckin good chap.

Must be I haven’t died yet! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:24pm
Kea

milk

But you are none of those, you dont even fucking work

Neither do his ideas. I think we can all be grateful he is not out there in the community actually doing things.
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December 17, 2012 9:25pm
HB

I am a teacher.
I was at work today. I will be tomorrow and the day after.
After this I won’t be back onsite until Jan 22nd.

I will be doing some course planning and professional reading. I will check my emails about once a week. Will probably only add up to about 2 hours a week. Except for the day that NCEA results come out. Based on January this year I will probably spend all day working through the results of the students I teach, other classes from my department and the results of the 210ish students that I Dean.

I am really looking forward to my holiday and spending lots of time with my kids and family. I don’t feel guilty about that at all.
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December 17, 2012 9:25pm
nasska

“What the fuck’s all this?” said the wife opening her Xmas present.

“Just what you wanted!” he replied.

“Well I don’t think I’ve ever asked for a tin of axle grease, a crowbar and a tyre lever?” she shouted.

“Oh I think you did!” he said. “I distinctly recall you saying, that all you wanted for Christmas was to somehow squeeze in that size 18 dress you love.”
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December 17, 2012 9:27pm
mikenmild

Johnboy
Your doctor must be ethically opposed to involuntary euthanasia.
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December 17, 2012 9:27pm
Johnboy

Fuck HB. I get to stop on Dec 24th and back on Jan 7th. Still I have a factory to run that employs folks and is a net contributor to the government coffers.

Glad I am helping you out with your holiday pay! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:29pm
Pauleastbay

Because the ones I know are self employed and don’t rely on the goverment for their income.

Now you can carry on being a tedious little twerp and say everyone in any service industry or busines is a public servant but being on a benefit does not make you a public servant it makes you a liabilty.

and

Jb

I don’t mean to be a gloomy bugger at this time of the year but one day that doctor will let you down.
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December 17, 2012 9:29pm
mikenmild

PEB
Sorry I’m not on the pension like you, but I still have something to contribute.
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December 17, 2012 9:30pm
Johnboy

I don’t think so Milky. He told me to keep drinking my normal amount if it keep me healthy! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:31pm
Pauleastbay

Well MM I wish you would get off your arse and contribute -6066 comments on here this year are not what JB would call a net tax contribution and I sure as shit dont voluntary community work doesn’t count either.
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December 17, 2012 9:34pm
Johnboy

Certainly not PEB. MM is just at the 30% tax rate of my 9523 pearls of wisdom so he is just about to start paying his tax! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:38pm
Johnboy

You of course are in arrears! 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:38pm
Pauleastbay

Pension- said like a lifetme taker, I ll never retire the same as most of my generation, I will change jobs to suit and will have hopefully worked myself back into a position where I can cut down hours but that wont be happening in the next decade.

Try working sometime it broadens your view and allows you to have an opinion on things that are not copy and pastes off wikipedia all day.
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December 17, 2012 9:38pm
mikenmild

Someone drank a bit too much bitter this evening.
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December 17, 2012 9:45pm
Johnboy

“and will have hopefully worked myself back into a position”

Finally got wise and bloody well fired you did they? 🙂
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December 17, 2012 9:48pm
RF

bhudson…7.33pm.

Stone agers 1.. Justice nil.

About time they brought in Judge Alone trials. Fucked up Jury system. Now we will hear reports that the defendants and the jury were eating out together.
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December 17, 2012 10:07pm
lilman

HB I know teachers well, 4 aunties,3 friends,2 dps in high schools, 2 sisters all teachers and I can say without doubt the most unprofessonal bunch of bitches our country has the honor to employ.
The fact that they piss and bleat continuously about their employer and take extended leave because they have issues with another staffer when the rest of the real world gets told to sort it ,or piss off and get another job just screams of Infantism.
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December 17, 2012 10:55pm
itstricky

Doesn’t mean all teachers are like that. Does mean you know eleven people like that. So careful buddy, you’ve left yourself wide open there with a comment about your friends and family being unprofessonal(sic) b*

Perhaps you can do a better job that your relatives. Maybe you should try. Certainly with your can-do attitude, I’m sure you’d go a long way in the profession.

BTW, open wide open for the crunching tackle again with usage of the word infantism(sic, again) when your handle is ‘lil-man’…
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December 17, 2012 11:19pm
questions

As much as you lot dislike people with brown skin, it is pretty clear cut in both cases, manslaughter over murder and beyond reasonable doubt, will be interesting to see if the crown/police even bother appealing.
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December 18, 2012 1:09am
Viking2

Early morning reading for dime.

A few months before their wedding, David Prior (not his real name) told his fiancée Sue his biggest secret. Although the couple had a good sex life, and were committed to a future together, he was addicted to visiting prostitutes.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10852373
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Ian Bradford: Is any of the material we are fed by the climate alarmists’ reliable?
Breaking Views
"Late-Stage Anti-Capitalism"
Not PC
Claim: Global Warming is Spreading Malaria and Dengue to Europe
Utopia
Word of the day
Hompaddock
Darkness – And Then A Glorious Light
No Minister
Open letter to Hon Paul Goldsmith
Point of Order
The Working Group Weekend Politics with David Seymour, Chris Penk and Damien Grant
The Daily Blog
This is fine
The Standard
THE WAY THINGS WERE
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
"Comity" versus the rule of law
No Right Turn
Jacinda’s legacy – Increasing number of abortions
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
United Rugby Championship Predictions for Week 15
Stats Chat
Despair - construction consenting edition
Offsetting Behaviour
Coalition Promises
NZCPR
Tougher than that
Croaking Cassandra
ABs stripped of 2011 title after try disallowed
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz