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Dead Earnest

The left wing voter’s conundrum:

NZ First voters, who don’t like foreigner ownership, will be voting for a government that will be propped up by a foreign criminal who has bought a political party.

Green Paty voters who dream of a warm fuzzy multicultural future will be voting for a government that includes xenophobes (NZF) and racial supremacists (Mana)

Mana Voters will be voting to prop up a government that “doesn’t want them.”

Dope growing Internet voters find they are in a marriage of convenience with Mana, whose leader wants to shoot them.

Labour voters (those that are left) will be voting for a government in which Labour has very little real influence.

The lucky ones are Maori Party voters, Mr Cunliffe has kindly ruled them out, and so they now know they will be voting for a “place at the table” in a government that has proved it can deliver real and tangible benefits for the Maori people.
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September 9, 2014 8:02am
hj

“Christchurch – mostly flat – was nicknamed ‘Cyclopolis’ in the early 20th century. In 1924 the city council’s motor inspector estimated that there were 40,000 cyclists in the city – half the population. A 1936 traffic census found 11,335 cyclists passed one corner of Cathedral Square between 8 a.m. and 5.30 p.m., a rate of 19 per minute. Christchurch was home to 50,000 of the 250,000 cycles in New Zealand in the late 1930s.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/bicycles/1/4

Now 138 in the world.
http://www.cityclock.org/urban-cycling-mode-share/#.VA4KzK1xOPJ
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September 9, 2014 8:03am
Chuck Bird

“NZ First voters, who don’t like foreigner ownership, will be voting for a government that will be propped up by a foreign criminal who has bought a political party.”

NZF is far more likely to go with National and National is keen to have them.
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September 9, 2014 8:04am
IGM

Hear the pathetic goose Cunliffe being allowed (by Newstalkzb) to try and justify his exclusion of Maori Party. Who in hell does this apology for a rainbow think he and his party of vile deviants and leeches are?
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September 9, 2014 8:04am
Viking2

Question for the day.

When National talk centrist, do they really mean socialist meant in a caring manner?
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September 9, 2014 8:04am
hj

Many Chinese want to escape “the intensity of the urban population”. In many cities there is a lack of personal space and the presence of smog, making a trip to New Zealand feel like an out-of-this-world experience.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8602673/Building-the-Chinese-connection
Aspects Migrants liked most about NZ
Climate or natural beauty or clean and green
Friendly people or relaxed pace of life
Can achieve desired lifestyle
Safety from crime and violence
Recreation and leisure activities
Small population
Education system or educational opportunities
Having family here
Political stability and freedom or lack of corruption
Cultural diversity
Job opportunities
Good provision of services
Good housing
Lack of inter-racial, ethnic or religious tensions
Economic conditions
Other
None
…
http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/Browse%20for%20stats/LISNZ/HOTPWave1/L-I-S-NZ-Tables-update.xls

There is (was) an economic value to being a member of a nation. That’s what Jamie Whyte ignores when he says “it isn’t your land”.
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September 9, 2014 8:09am
holysheet

Good news about Kate And William and their new Baby. Did Our PM have anything to do with it? Is it a coincidence that it is timed to be announced just a week before our election?
Any good royal news is good for the Nats as it takes the oxygen away from the worries of the election.
Just saying
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September 9, 2014 8:09am
RF

I find that when using an ipad you have to be very careful when up / down ticking as I have inadvertently hit the report comment twice now.

Sorry…
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September 9, 2014 8:10am
Redbaiter

University of Otago politics researcher Geoffrey Miller-

“In the past, the differences between parties were starker. For example, there were more businesspeople in National, and almost none in Labour.”

However, a merging of policies was forcing parties to focus on the personalities, he said.

“Labour and National are now almost interchangeable in terms of policy, which is why some are keen to distract voters with scandal,” Mr Miller said.

“In 2014, it would be difficult to imagine National repeating its famous 2005 billboard campaign in which it directly contrasted its policies with Labour’s, because there is now so little difference.

“Working for Families, KiwiSaver and subsidising first-time home buyers are all examples of policies which Labour and National now largely agree on.”
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September 9, 2014 8:11am
Viking2

holysheet (314 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:09 am

Good news about Kate And William and their new Baby. Did Our PM have anything to do with it? Is it a coincidence that it is timed to be announced just a week before our election?
Any good royal news is good for the Nats as it takes the oxygen away from the worries of the election.
Just saying

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Yep well look for Wills to be our next Governor General after Uncle Gerry retires.

Keys best kept secret. Didn’t even come out in the emails. WO is well out of the loop.

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September 9, 2014 8:13am
oldpark

I heard a squeaky voice on the radio today whingeing and cringing about Nationals’,, potential tax benefits to wage earners.The voice turned out to be the other partner in crime for the Labour Party, the guy an Australian commie import called Russel Abnormal ,or is it Norman.,from commie Green Party, who are sneaking under the radar ,with their potential NZ economy wrecking ball if they get elected.Norman’s grand plan with Labour ,is to not only have an INHERITANCE/DEATH TAX of 40% on NZ family home.They plan in conjunction with Cunliffe’s Labour Party, to tax anything that moves, needs painting or can be tied down.Yet in his criminal Aussie voice Norman has the gall to put the boot into National for at least planning to give tax decreases to NZ home owners ,and wait for it.NO INHERITANCE DEATH TAXES.BY NATIONAL A vote for Labour/Green party must be because voters have a death wish.
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September 9, 2014 8:15am
Griff

V2 I stumbled across this in cyber space you might find it amusing.
http://www.babbel.com/magazine/139-norse-words?slc=engmag-a17-info-139norsewords-ob
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September 9, 2014 8:16am
Harriet

Thomas Sowell on the population at large:

“The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”

He nailed that.
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September 9, 2014 8:19am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10474271/Greens-rebuked-for-email-tactic

Greens being hypocritical wan*ers again.

So they phone you (from database) and have a chat about the submission process on something and if you sound like you are on their side they email a submission in , in your name and email addy, without you knowing about it!

But its the GCSB that we need to worry about WRT email privacy really!
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September 9, 2014 8:19am
mandk

holysheet: “Did Our PM have anything to do with it?”

Nah mate, I’m sure I heard him say that he’s had a vasectomy. 🙂
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September 9, 2014 8:21am
Lindsay Addie

Some random thoughts/questions about the election campaign:

1. When will the Green’s and NZF start going after the voters of the Labour Party whose electoral chances look increasingly mortally wounded.

2. When is DC going to apologise for having a CGT policy? Heck he’s said sorry for most other things.

3. Was the National Party tax cut policy a lot of hot air or did I miss something?

4. Where is Peter Dunne?

5. When will DC learn to talk directly to people instead of over, through or past them?

6. The wheels are starting to fall off the KimDotCom party. It’s not as surprising as the media thinks it is.
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September 9, 2014 8:25am
WineOh

How dare John Key encourage Kate and Wills to have another baby… IN AN ELECTION YEAR!? This is clearly against the unwritten protocols and will give the Nats an unfair advantage at the election. For Shame.
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September 9, 2014 8:26am
Left Right and Centre

Any good royal news is good for the Nats as it takes the oxygen away from the worries of the election.

What’s old Davy boy’s excuse for morning sickness, huh ? 🙂
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September 9, 2014 8:27am
Dennis Horne

@DPF.

Disqus checks to see if you really want to report a comment; you can back out if it was an accidental “hit”. Also, the KiwiBlog report button is “live” without logging in.
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September 9, 2014 8:28am
Ross12

Yes Colville –absolutely dirty , fraudulent politics from the Greens. But they will try to palm it off as a prank.
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September 9, 2014 8:29am
hj

“Racism has no place in the selection of migrants. Unlike Mr Peters, we don’t start with an assumption that ‘Kiwi values’ are somehow superior to those of new migrants.

“In fact, more effort needs to be put into educating New Zealanders about the cultures and religions brought here by new migrants.”
http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/immigration

There is a difference between choosing migrants because they are needed and policies to benefit the migrants and Kings of Property.
The verdict is out on that
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf
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September 9, 2014 8:29am
kowtow

Sex slavery is an integral part of the Koran and has subsequently been practised by conquering Muslims from the time of Mohameds’ wars right down to the present.

Tolerance and respect?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11080165/Yazidi-girl-tells-of-horrific-ordeal-as-Isil-sex-slave.html

ps Mrs Obama and other conerned celebrities ,how’s that Nigerian girls hashtag campaign going,are they home yet?
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September 9, 2014 8:32am
flipper

A couple or three random thoughts ……

1. – Armstrong is at it again this morning, likening all the hagerisms to Watergate. I suspect that Bob Woodward would look at the Herald’s geriatric scribe in a manner that expressed incredulity. This is the second attempt by Armstrong. Once is a mistake. Twice is a campaign, albeit one that is missing its target – the great unwashed voter. Not a good look Mr Armstrong.

2. – Small, and the Dom(com) Post, plus Herald editorial opinion writers are adopting the Cunliffe line on yesterday’s tax comments by J Key and W English. Pity they cannot read.

3. – It is amusing that the David Excel led “Citizens for Rowling” was the invention of that closet left wing TV dickhead. It seems as though we have several would be TV cheer-leaders for CminusT – like Gower, Dann, Campbell and the faceless, manipulative ultra left producers. Those fools, plus Hager et al, have no sense of history. Citizens for Rowling was a death-dealing blow back against Rowling. Dirty Politics complete with hagerisms is the death of CminusT, et6 al.
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September 9, 2014 8:32am
IGM

What the hell is going on? These PSA leeches are unemployable anywhere else, and now they want more from taxpayers . . . sack the lot of them, they will not be missed, only by Labour for their capitation fees.
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September 9, 2014 8:33am
Hugh Pavletich

Christchurch Mayor calls for rethink on council structure … Lois Cairns … Fairfax New Zealand

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10473965/Mayor-calls-for-rethink-on-council-structure

Congratulations Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Council team !

Former Labour Central MP Brendon Burns summed up the issue most eloquently in a The Press Op Ed February 2012 … … SHINING A LIGHT IN THE DARKNESS … soon after the 4,000+ Peoples Protest (google search CHRISTCHURCH: THE WAY FORWARD ).

Here is what Mr Burns had to say …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness

“For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.”

“To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council.”

You may find this discussion in Australia of interest …

NZ shows Australia how to address housing policy | Leith van Onselen | MacroBusiness

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/09/nz-shows-australia-how-to-address-housing-policy/

… and too … the Local Authority de-amalgamations underway in Queensland … recent Queensland State Government release …

De-amalgamation … Queensland Department of Local Government …

http://www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/bc/
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September 9, 2014 8:34am
Komata

Heard on Radio Red’s 0600 ‘news’ this morning that Hone sent an expletive-laden email to his German master concerning the latter’s online advocacy of delegislation of weed use. Unsurprisingly, the email has been (conveniently?) leaked, and in the absence of anything to the contrary being reported, anywhere else, may well be as genuine as anything ever is on-line.

If Red radio is to be believed, it would seem that Mr. Hariwera has finally decided to take a ‘principled’ stand on the matter, although I suspect it may be too late for his ‘image’. Perhaps mummy ‘prompted’ the change of heart?

Did anyone else hear the ‘report’?
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September 9, 2014 8:35am
doggone7

“Whangaruru.” Just in case it doesn’t get mentioned here.
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September 9, 2014 8:35am
kowtow

The cost of refugees. This is Australian but could apply here too.Culture and race does count.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/doubling_our_refugees_means_adding_to_our_welfare_bill/
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September 9, 2014 8:35am
oldpark

Materaialistic Turei and Russel( joe Stalin)Norman from sneaky commie green party, have a master plan for Wellington if elected.Appears they have come in under the radar and been given a free ride by the union infested Main Stream Media.Firstly they are planning a so called light rail journey to hillside suburbs.The cost a potential billion dollars.five hundred million dollars of the money will be gouged from the rest of NZ by taxing family homes and dead peoples estates.The other five hundred million will be levied on Wellington Rate Payers,for a potential light rail train wreck.That is just for starters.They plan to cancel Transmission Gully contracts.Not bad for a so called political party ,run by imports ,with no electoral seats.In fact plastic list MPSs.Where the voting public have no say who is on the list.Be it Friar Tuck,Jesse James.or even a bunch of ISIS terrorists.More like the latter as the unelelected electoral seat Green Party cut a swathe through the well being of NZs to satisfy the socialist lust, and commie distribution, in the ideaology of Karl Marx or Joe Stalin. Two ticks BLUE, will at least help keep the commie greens at bay for three more years.
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September 9, 2014 8:35am
waikatogirl

Thank goodness the Greens can’t get hold of the ballot boxes! 100% voting gone to the Greens. Line up my people, hand in your belching vehicles for your allocated bicycle, your bus pass and you kilo of weed to keep you mellow. You won’t notice while we strip you of your wealth to hand-out to all the needy and useless. You will be removed from your large house so we can allocate it to a needy large family with poor hungry kids, and you shall move to something more appropriate to you. we will pay all your nationalized power bills and reduce your income to a more acceptable level so nobody is different from anyone else. What fun we will have Watermelon paradise…
Think before you vote!
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September 9, 2014 8:35am
Harriet

“…..Unlike Mr Peters, we[greens] don’t start with an assumption that ‘Kiwi values’ are somehow superior to those of new migrants……”

When you value everything the same you don’t value anything at all.

And that’s the problem – society no longer knows what to value, so all that stands in the public square is tolerance.

No wonder little kiwi muslim girls are having their excitable bits cut off.
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September 9, 2014 8:38am
flipper

For the benefit those who choose not to read, or two twist what J Key/W English said yesterday:

*** “A re-elected National Government’s five fiscal priorities will be:

• Return to surplus this year, stay in surplus, and reduce debt
• Reduce net government debt to 20 per cent of GDP by 2020
• Further reduce ACC levies on households and businesses
• Begin to reduce income taxes from 1 April 2017, providing economic and fiscal conditions allow
• Use any further fiscal headroom to reduce debt

New Zealanders have a stark choice this election.
We can continue to support National’s clear plan that is working for New Zealand, or we can put it all at risk by changing course to who knows what direction.
Labour, the Greens, and Dotcom would stall our economy with a recipe of five new taxes and big increases in spending.” – W English
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September 9, 2014 8:40am
Gravelroad

Holysheet and Co:
Ever thought that the timing of the new royal baby announcement might have something to do with the up-coming separatist vote in Scotland??
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September 9, 2014 8:43am
Komata

hj

Re: “In fact, more effort needs to be put into educating New Zealanders about the cultures and religions brought here by new migrants.”

Yes, like the fact that because of what is written in the Koran the majority of those from the Middle East are dedicated to the destruction of our society and the imposition of their own ‘values’ upon this country!

There’s really nothing like encouraging the lion in the cage with you to view you as the main course..

In their naivete, the Gweens simply cannot see the consequences to such actions. ‘Willful’ blindness perhaps; or just a total belief in the ‘correctness’ of ‘Chairman Wussel’s’ pronouncements?

(Steps back and awaits the usual suspect/s to come baying-in from stage left; as they will…)
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September 9, 2014 8:46am
Keeping Stock

@ Komata – it was reported on One News last night. But Laila says everything is sweetness and light between her and Hone. I suspect that will be the case only until the first cheque bounces.
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September 9, 2014 8:46am
Viking2

Griff (7,104 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:16 am

V2 I stumbled across this in cyber space you might find it amusing.
http://www.babbel.com/magazine/139-norse-words?slc=engmag-a17-info-139norsewords-ob
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Thanks Griff. have a good read later. Interesting. They forgot to add that the Viking dislike the Papists and went thru France and nearly to Rome.
Looks like we need rebirthing again to clean out the nasties that have taken over Europe and England.
That will be fun.

You can understand now why the Scot’s want out of England. More related to the Danes than the German English Men.
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September 9, 2014 8:48am
Lindsay Addie

Re JK and Wills and Kate having another baby.

Unless Nicky Hager, Winston Peters or Kim Dotcom have proof I doubt if JK had anything to do with Wills getting one past the goalie. 😉
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September 9, 2014 8:48am
Rogy

Anyone else having issues accessing whale oil? seems to be down again 🙁
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September 9, 2014 8:49am
EAD

Really Flipper 8.40am – do you believe that cr*p?

Do you think their “plan” is working. The only people who try and centrally “plan” economies are Socialists and Communists. Everything going their way – mass immigration, record dairy prices, $20 billion+ coming into the country via insurance payouts, a booming China, interest rates at record lows yet they’ve still managed to hang the noose of $90b of debt round our neck.

How are they going to run a surplus when they are spending like drunken sailors – a billion dollar “boost” to health here, $500m “ringfenced” for education there, home equity grants over there, a massive TOW settlement here and the baby boomers continue to retire in record numbers. How are we exactly going to run a surplus when world dairy prices are collapsing?

The so called “rock star economy” is really just a “smoke and mirrors” economy.

A smoke and mirrors economy for a smoke and mirrors political party.
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September 9, 2014 8:49am
Redbaiter

Hey Ead what really pisses me off is when they say they have a “balanced” budget when all it means is they’re accounting for and covering in taxation the huge interest payments on massive ongoing and expanding debt.

Just charlatans.
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September 9, 2014 8:54am
Harriet

“….500m “ringfenced” for education there…”

That’s right.

NZ public service has ring fenced 92% of children into being taught by them.

North Korea has ringfenced in 100%.

$500m will see it completed. 😎
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September 9, 2014 8:55am
Hugh Pavletich

Leadership debate another catastrophy for Cunliffe … Mike Yardley … Opinion … The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/columnists/mike-yardley/10473944/Leaders-debate-another-catastrophe-for-Cunliffe
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September 9, 2014 8:58am
Sublime

Investigative writer Nicky Hager said he kept some journalists out of the dirt in his latest book Dirty Politics in hope of a cleaner future

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/10474046/Hager-avoids-shaming-journalists

“If you see a name of a journalist in the book, they are the ones I don’t think have done anything wrong”

Clearly not in the public interest then! 😀
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September 9, 2014 8:58am
ross411

Colville (2,215 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:19 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10474271/Greens-rebuked-for-email-tactic

Greens being hypocritical wan*ers again.

So they phone you (from database) and have a chat about the submission process on something and if you sound like you are on their side they email a submission in , in your name and email addy, without you knowing about it!

It sounds like fraud to me.

Sage said she had apologised over the phone to a person unhappy about the submission being sent on their behalf.

What does this even mean? It just sounds like she did a token apology so she could sound like she regretted her actions and could imply admission of wrongdoing.

Oh, hello..

It been abandoned in Christchurch because of the botch-up but would continue to be used elsewhere.

They are going to continue to fake responses to their ill thought out actions?
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September 9, 2014 9:01am
publicwatchdog

Show us the (tax) money John Key!

Where’s the devilish detail?

Penny Bright
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September 9, 2014 9:02am
geoff3012

Rogy (3 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:49 am
Anyone else having issues accessing whale oil? seems to be down again 🙁

Can’t get in either…..get a page dated 5th september….
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September 9, 2014 9:03am
ross411

Hugh Pavletich (123 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:34 am
Christchurch Mayor calls for rethink on council structure … Lois Cairns … Fairfax New Zealand

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10473965/Mayor-calls-for-rethink-on-council-structure

Congratulations Mayor Lianne Dalziel and Council team !

What are you talking about with this self-serving nonsense? Lianne Dalziel is a feckless parasite who just wants to spend more money and control something she isn’t equipped to control. I wouldn’t let her push my stalled car, if she had six PR goons to do the pushing for her, which she likely has.
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September 9, 2014 9:05am
EAD

Yes Harriet:

it is worth remembering the 10 planks of the communist manifesto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

I spend a lot of my spare time speaking against #5 “Install a Central Bank”, but #10 is worth noting in your example “Free education for all children in public schools.”

That way they can all go to school and read Michael King’s version of history, be good little recyclers, embrace the dilution of their culture as they celebrate “multiculturalism” and learn about little Wiremu who is lucky to have “two daddies who are married”.
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September 9, 2014 9:05am
dime

Dime is loving the Mana/Dot Com thing.

Step 1 – rich, fat euro buys greedy Maori cheap
Step 2 – rich, fat euro appoints more whites as leaders
Step 3 – greedy Maori in the shadows, forgotten
Step 4 – there’s a war coming!!!!
Step 5 – its too late greedy Maori, rich euro is here to stay, you have to deal with his minions
Step 6 – the bleating. greedy Maori starts demanding compensation

Then of course you have the other dynamic – the marriage of two far left wing political parties. maybe they should brush off wussells thesis and see what went wrong last time.. oh wait, its the same moronic chick involved HAHAHA
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September 9, 2014 9:06am
mandk

@ Viking2
Your brothers in Shetland don’t consider themselves to be Scots, so how would it be if they pressed for independence after a Yes vote in the upcoming referendum?
Most of the oil is in Shetland waters (North Sea and North Atlantic), so they could be as rich as any of the Gulf states.
That would really give the Scots something to complain about!
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September 9, 2014 9:11am
Sublime

ross411: It sounds like fraud to me

Oh no, nothing like that! It was all an “honest misunderstanding” ….

Sage said the emails were not checked before they were used.

“We were using a new method of public engagement, having people call people on our database to alert them to the submission process,” she said

LOL. In other words, we tried something dodgier than a new DVD in Asia and we were caught out!
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September 9, 2014 9:11am
Sublime

To be honest Penny, I too wish the boss would tell us what’s in this deal.
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September 9, 2014 9:12am
kowtow

Anti Catholic bullshit from “Viking” again. Facts are Vikings became Catholics.Founded one of the greatest Norman ,and very Catholic dynasties.The mark of these men lasts to this day. Catholics.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Rollo.aspx
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September 9, 2014 9:16am
IGM

Hear Labour have stooped even lower. Not only do they wish all jailbirds to have a vote; they have been soliciting votes from intellectually handicapped and dementia patients . . . how filthy can these bastards get?
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September 9, 2014 9:16am
MT_Tinman

ross411 (354 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 9:05 am

What are you talking about with this self-serving nonsense? Lianne Dalziel is a feckless parasite who just wants to spend more money and control something she isn’t equipped to control. I wouldn’t let her push my stalled car, if she had six PR goons to do the pushing for her, which she likely has.

Ross, I’ve now had three people tell me she’s been pissed by lunch time (three separate occasions).

She may want all sorts of things but I doubt she’s got the ability to get them.

Overall an excellent example of a Labour politician.
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September 9, 2014 9:17am
MT_Tinman

IGM (159 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 9:16 am
Hear Labour have stooped even lower. Not only do they wish all jailbirds to have a vote; they have been soliciting votes from intellectually handicapped and dementia patients . . . how filthy can these bastards get?

Every election in recent times I’ve heard tales of the “nice” Labour people trawling the rest homes “helping” the residents (particularly those lacking reasoning ability) to vote.

The answer to your question; Very low and filthy indeed – and they stay there for a very long time.
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September 9, 2014 9:21am
Nookin

There is no detail, Penny. That is because it is not and was never meant to be anything other than a signal of the direction that the government is taking. It intends to create surpluses some of which will be used for debt repayment, some of which will be used to reduce the amount of money that it will be taking out of wage packets on a weekly basis and some of which will be used for government expenditure. The government does not need to show you the details. It is a reduction in the tax on income. The amount and where the relief will lie will depend on the next two years.

The situation is entirely different to the Labour Party’s CGT (which you appear to accept without question) which is an entirely new animal altogether. It has never been applied in New Zealand. Nobody knows anything about it. One of those who is particularly ignorant about it is its author, David Cunliffe, who could not even say whether the family home in a trust would be subject to the tax. Nor did he know whether tax would be payable should parents die in the property sold. His total isolation from reality was illustrated when he said that the tax would kick in if the property was not sold within one month of the owner’s death.
Like, relatives are real keen to get the property on the market and sold within that timeframe! For the most part, you are lucky even to get probate within that period.

You want to spray your obsessive anti-national mantra, why don’t you come up with something that is not an insult to the intelligence of a sackful of hammers
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September 9, 2014 9:23am
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Congrats to Kate and Wills… Pregnancy Is a bit like the run up to the election, We are all feeling a bit unwell / unsettled, but it’ll be all right on election night when the votes come in with a National win. Royal baby news can only help with the good news feeling… Vote the Right way!

Prince Harry for our next Gov General!
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September 9, 2014 9:24am
Dead Earnest

Chuck Bird said: “NZ First voters, who don’t like foreigner ownership, will be voting for a government that will be propped up by a foreign criminal who has bought a political party.”

I wish you were right Chucky, but no body knows what goes on in side Winnies little brain.

There is a very real risk that his deep seated animosity against National, would lead to him thumbing his nose at the NZ people and supporting a 5 headed Hydra.

Socially conservative voters are far better to give their vote to Colin Craig, at least he is up front and honest with his intentions.
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September 9, 2014 9:28am
Harriet

“….and learn about little Wiremu who is lucky to have “two daddies who are married”….”

I was thinking just this morning EAD that future generations of ‘perfect kiwis’ in Orwell’s PC NZ – will sit in the privacy of their own homes watching comedy;

re-runs of David Attenborough’s nature series – and sniggering at the absence of homosexual animals, and the preponderance of animals in ‘natural order families with their defined roles’. It will be the most un-pc show on tv in the future.

It’ll never be ‘normal’. Science will always say so.
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September 9, 2014 9:30am
stephieboy

This is interesting one which I hope DPF will take up ,

It’s much easier for politicians in NZ to admit they’re Atheists than compared with the USA.

Note John Key apparently describes himself as an Atheist and unsurprisingly so goes ACT’s Jamie Whyte. Metiria Turei does so too.

So much for the undue and nefarious influence of of the US Christian Right and the alleged separation of Church and state.

It doesn’t work here. !

The freedom politicians have here is one to be treasured and honoured.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/09/08/its-incredible-how-easy-it-is-for-these-new-zealand-politicians-to-admit-they-dont-bel

BTW I don’t describe myself as an Atheist.
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September 9, 2014 9:32am
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Minor comment for site admin:
“Report comment” is placed too close to the tick boxes – it is too easy to report someone instead of giving them an uptick!!!
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September 9, 2014 9:35am
Cunningham

I support National but the whole way they handled the tax cut policy is very poor. They hyped it up and then delivered a pretty pathetic result yesterday. They now leave themselves open to attack over a tax cut which is small and insignificant (and years away). Big lack of judgement from National over this IMO.
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September 9, 2014 9:37am
Gravelroad

Tinman,
Labour did appear to have one “nice” person.
Think his name was David.
David Shearer.
Is he up for election this time, or on their list?

Can’t go back, but, Labour could not be doing any worse if he were still their leader.
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September 9, 2014 9:39am
kowtow

stephieboy is obsessed with the “American Christian right” and its alleged influence here in “Godsown” ,I wonder if the American Christian right are responsible for that name ?

Christian missionaries were respnsible for much of and were a leading force in the colonisation and civilising of New Zealnd,back to the foundations of this country. Nothing to do with Americans. A majority of us still count ourselves as Christian,and many who don’t recognise that Christianity is still a cornerstone of our cultural and political traditions.Parliament starts with an Anglican prayer and MPs of all parties (apart from the Greens)still swear an oath on the Bible.Is that an American Christian right influence?

stephie should worry instead about the atheist cultural marxism that has come to pervade all aspects of New Zealand life.
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September 9, 2014 9:52am
MT_Tinman

Gravelroad, I have no doubt Labour has several “nice” people.

The most impressive pollie I’ve met recently is Rino Tirikatene, Labour pollie for the Southern Maori seat.

Unfortunately, even with the rapidly diminishing membership Labour has, several is still far too few, the vast majority being of the type I referred to earlier.
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September 9, 2014 9:52am
MT_Tinman

A majority of us still count ourselves as Christian,

From NZ Statistics:

Religious affiliation
Fewer affiliate with Christian religions than in 2006
In 2013, the number of people who affiliated with a Christian religion (including Māori Christian) decreased to 1,906,398 (48.9 percent of all people who stated their religious affiliation),

Facts make the best argument.
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September 9, 2014 9:56am
EAD

Delingpole smashes the climate Nazis to pieces:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/08/Obama-s-97-Percent-Climate-Consensus-debunked-demolished-staked-through-the-heart

Great top rated comment as well:

“Communism never died, it just killed its host, went airborne metastasizing into thousands of special interest groups eroding our constitution and civil liberties one by one.

Climate change, social justice, false racism charges, undemocratically institutionalized multiculturalism via mass immigration …all tools of the left by which they tear nations apart, pit people against one another and centralise power.”
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September 9, 2014 9:59am
Griff

Kow tow you are wrong about New Zealand religion
http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-culture-identity/religion.aspx
In 2013, the number of people who affiliated with a Christian religion (including Māori Christian) decreased to 1,906,398 (48.9 percent of all people who stated their religious affiliation), down from 2,082,942 (55.6 percent) in 2006.

This is even lower now as the decline in Christianity has been trending down since the fifty’s
There is no silent “Moral majority” In New Zealand.
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September 9, 2014 10:00am
Pete George

I support National but the whole way they handled the tax cut policy is very poor. They hyped it up and then delivered a pretty pathetic result yesterday.

Hyped or not I agree that tax changes should normally be incremental and subject to changing financial conditions. Expectations of major election handouts/bribes driven by media dramatics are not good governance.

With bracket creep we should be due a bit of an adjustment by 2017.

We shouldn’t have election driven lurches one way or the other, especially when they impact has not been thoroughly assessed in advance.
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September 9, 2014 10:03am
stephieboy

kowtow, Iwas speaking of the influence of the Christian Right in the US and not here where there is little influence by the local Christian Right.
We have moved on , I would of thought from the colonial era ,that you seem to so nostalgically and wistfully look back on.
John Key’s and Jamie Whyte Cultural Marxists .?
Its a pejorative term that members of the Christian Right like to fling against anybody who disagrees with their narrow and restricted world view .
Interesting how the the US President has been able to embrace views similar to John Key. And he has every right to do so despite the hysteria generated by the US Right.
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September 9, 2014 10:04am
stephieboy

EAD, Delinghole is not a scientist nor has any scientific training .

His speciality is polemics , propaganda and rhetoric,
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September 9, 2014 10:07am
EAD

and Al Gore and O`bummer are scientists Stephie?
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September 9, 2014 10:09am
kowtow

By juxtaposing the 2 you were talking about here.And you continue to in your 1004.

If Key and Obama have similar views I’ll leave that statement of yours to speak for itself.
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September 9, 2014 10:10am
Griff

Naomi Oreskes found no rejections of the consensus in a survey of 928 abstracts performed in 2004. Doran & Zimmerman (2009) found a 97% consensus among scientists actively publishing climate research. Anderegg et al. (2010) reviewed publicly signed declarations supporting or rejecting human-caused global warming, and again found over 97% consensus among climate experts. Cook et al. (2013) found the same 97% result through a survey of over 12,000 climate abstracts from peer-reviewed journals, as well as from over 2,000 scientist author self-ratings, among abstracts and papers taking a position on the causes of global warming.

In addition to these studies, we have the National Academies of Science from 33 different countries all endorsing the consensus. Dozens of scientific organizations have endorsed the consensus on human-caused global warming. Only one has ever rejected the consensus – the American Association of Petroleum Geologists – and even they shifted to a neutral position when members threatened to not renew their memberships due to its position of climate denial.

In short, the 97% consensus on human-caused global warming is a robust result, found using several different methods in various studies over the past decade. It really shouldn’t be a surprise at this point, and denying it is, well, denial.
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September 9, 2014 10:11am
Ross12

colville and ross411

The Greens must have had a ring from their lawyers. I see Sage has come out with a “public apology” saying it was all a communication error and ” says calling teams are no longer being used to encourage people to make submissions.”

So they have also backed down on the bit highlighted by ross411 “It been abandoned in Christchurch because of the botch-up but would continue to be used elsewhere.”

They were caught red handed , lets just sweep it under the carpet. Hypocrites !!!

But I think we should follow their lead on other issues –lets have an inquiry or maybe a Royal Commission. //sarc
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September 9, 2014 10:12am
EAD

Grief – the “publicwatchdog of global warming”
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September 9, 2014 10:14am
Redbaiter

All that 48.9% figure shows is that a fair percentage of NZ based Christians have fled overseas because they can’t stand the incessant high pitched whining of the obsessive Atheists any longer.

FFS they are an intolerable bunch of whiners and complainers. Mostly in dire need of psychiatric treatment for OCD.
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September 9, 2014 10:30am
RightNow

My current boycott list:
PaknSave
Evo Cycles
2 Degrees
Bridgestone / Firestone
Voyager
Avis

They don’t want business from right leaning people like me and I’m happy to oblige.
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September 9, 2014 10:31am
kowtow

fair enough.But that’s 48.9 of those who declared a religious affiliation. I’d guess that one could find 1.2% of those who didn’t declare an affiliation were Christian?
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September 9, 2014 10:33am
Griff

EAD
The wingnut who gets science from a man who admitted he actually doesn’t read any science.
Blind leading the blind or is that the incredibly thick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0wmuhKzYp4s
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September 9, 2014 10:34am
minus

A strange item on Whaleoil claims that a lie being spread by Labour is Slater hired a hit-man to assault an individual.

Bizarre “details” as they exist –

• Cameron Slater understands that the supposed victim of this is also spreading this around town.
• Police have already arrested someone in connection with that crime and he has been charged.
• The Labour MP doing this [also spreading the rumour] is known.

So –
• It would be interesting to know the identity of the victim, to evaluate any connection to Slater or Labour
• If the victim is helping spread the so-called lie, have the Police arrested the wrong man, or does the victim also corroborate Police evidence.
• Why does Slater write of this in his blog, but apparently has not advised Police directly of the criminal slander against him?
• Why is the Labour MP involved, not named?

Or is this all rumour, like possibly the other one Labour spreads [but about their own Leader]?
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September 9, 2014 10:34am
MT_Tinman

But I think we should follow their lead on other issues –lets have an inquiry or maybe a Royal Commission. //sarc

I’d like to see you remove the “//sarc” Ross12.

It’s about time the rampant dishonesty and fraudulant behavior by the Reds was highlighted before the general public.

In days gone by the fourth estate would have done this already but as they’re now politicised and/or bone idle lazy a public enquiry, indeed even a Royal Commission is justified.
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September 9, 2014 10:36am
MT_Tinman

kowtow (8,031 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 10:33 am
fair enough.But that’s 48.9 of those who declared a religious affiliation. I’d guess that one could find 1.2% of those who didn’t declare an affiliation were Christian?

Which would alter the % very little indeed.
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September 9, 2014 10:37am
Redbaiter

“A strange item on Whaleoil claims that a lie being spread by Labour is Slater hired a hit-man to assault an individual.”

Can’t say I have much sympathy for Slater.

His blog has smeared plenty of other people with lies.

Don’t need his kind in the National Party.
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September 9, 2014 10:45am
kowtow

“Which would alter the % very little indeed.”

True ,but of course I meant a total 1.2% .

Of greater concern than nitpicking over small percentages is the fact that our traditions and culture are being slowly but surely eroded. A victory to the left.And what is replacing the vacuum created by the activists.
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September 9, 2014 10:46am
Griff

EAD (879 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 10:09 am

and Al Gore and O`bummer are scientists Stephie?

😆
O’bumma and gore are politicians EAD not scientists and other than wing nuts like you are never mentioned on here in reference to climate science.

How ever we do mention a few scientific organizations that support the consensus of science on climate change occasionally
(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
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September 9, 2014 10:48am
Redbaiter

Did I just scroll past another of Penny’s tedious comments?
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September 9, 2014 10:50am
fernglas

Minus.
Criminal Slander doesn’t exist as an offence any more, and that is what Mr Oil was going to complain to the Police about. Otherwise. spreading malicious rumours is a civil matter, so I doubt the Police will be able to do anything.
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September 9, 2014 10:51am
RightNow

Add RSI in your scroll finger to the list of climate catastrophes
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September 9, 2014 10:53am
publicwatchdog

Nookin – for 11 pages explaining the Labour Party’s policy on a Capital Gains Tax – try going to their website http://www.labour.org.nz ?

Penny Bright
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September 9, 2014 10:54am
Griff

Redbaiter rightnow EAD ostrich head sand.

Funny how you all deny reality for your political expediency
Just shows what truly ignorant ranting loons you are.
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September 9, 2014 10:57am
IGM

Public Dog: Go peddle your crap elsewhere.
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September 9, 2014 11:10am
Nookin

Penny
I may do when they stop changing it and filling the gaps. In the meantime it is a work in progress that they are making up as public outcry demands.
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September 9, 2014 11:11am
IGM

Public Dog: Labour’s policies are as reliable as Hager’s books . . . something you are familiar with.
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September 9, 2014 11:13am
publicwatchdog

Just helping you friendly Kiwibloggers ‘seek truth from FACTS’.

Penny Bright
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September 9, 2014 11:13am
G152

Rogy (3 comments) says:
September 9th, 2014 at 8:49 am
Anyone else having issues accessing whale oil? seems to be down again

Can’t get in either…..get a page dated 5th september…
…………
The price of popularity and real news dissemination..
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September 9, 2014 11:14am
publicwatchdog

Have you read Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ yourself ‘IGM’?

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September 9, 2014 11:15am
IGM

Public Dog: I would sooner speak to an old broken down socialist like you, than read the filth that disgusting gutless little queer puts out.
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September 9, 2014 11:18am
publicwatchdog

With all due respect Nookin – if you haven’t read Labour’s Capital Gains Tax policy for yourself – then you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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