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Kea

she doesn’t know she’s doing the third and would be horrified if she did know.

Reid, okay point taken. I will let readers decide for themselves if these fine upstanding folk look like neo-nazi or not. Who am I to say !

https://libcom.org/news/neo-nazis-far-right-protesters-ukraine-23012014
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October 14, 2014 9:12pm
Johnboy

Only if they could tap the public purse Shawn. I’ve never met anything more miserable than a fucking socialist bastard! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:13pm
Johnboy

I still think she has legs to die for tom! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:15pm
Andrei

Lucia supports an independent and democratic Ukraine.

There is nothing democratic about servants of the anti Christ coming from the USA, fomenting trouble and funding the armed and bloody overthrow of an elected Government to replace them with puppets who will do their will which includes ethnic cleansing of the lands they wish to rape for fracking and also use as a launching platform for missiles to attack Russia who has attacked no one.
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October 14, 2014 9:15pm
Shawn Herles

Of course there are neo-Nazis in the Ukraine kea. Your mistake is in assuming, maliciously, that anyone opposed to Putin’s actions therefore supports them.

That is not remotely a valid or rational argument.
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October 14, 2014 9:18pm
Johnboy

“There is nothing democratic about servants of the anti Christ coming from the USA”

I thought Obama was the first black Christ Andrei?

When did he lose the magic? 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:19pm
Shawn Herles

There is nothing democratic in Putin’s puppet shooting protesters in the Ukraine, then Putin invading when he was rightly removed by the Ukrainian people.
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October 14, 2014 9:21pm
Kea

“It goes like this: You; “Lucia, do you oppose Putin’s annexation of Crimia?”

I have told Lucy the Crimea was annexed, FROM RUSSIA, by the Politburo under the USSR in the 1950. They are ethnically and culturally Russian.

She excused the Ukraine neo-nazi on the basis Russia has some as well ! It is extremely offensive to suggest such a thing of people who suffered more than anyone in the war against the Nazi. It would be like accusing Israel of being run by neo-nazis.
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October 14, 2014 9:23pm
tom hunter

… which includes ethnic cleansing of the lands they wish to rape for fracking …

I was reading an article in Metro the other day (2010 article) where they interviewed drug dealers in NZ and one guy talked about how his P cook just unwound one day and then sat around for several days with a handgun, shotgun, and tons of ammunition, demanding that the dealer keep searching for the cops in the trees outside who were watching him.

This reminds me a lot of that, in the sense that every time I think Andrei has reached his peak – he unwinds a little further.
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October 14, 2014 9:25pm
Reid

There is nothing democratic in Putin’s puppet shooting protesters in the Ukraine, then Putin invading when he was rightly removed by the Ukrainian people.

How come some people know the Western MSM lies all the time about, I don’t know, mass immigration to the West, for decades, or say, the GFC and the too big to fail bollocks or say, BCCI, or Iran-Contra, and on and on and on and on, and some people don’t even know about those very very very basic things, even now.

Any yet, when it comes to Wussia, or Iswael, or Sywia, or Libya, or Egypt, or any of the other more recent coups, none of these so-called self-professed “educated” people are able to add 2+2?

The galloping mentals are gathering, neighing and whinnying, about to launch at full roar, at the wrong hill, where the enemy aren’t.
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October 14, 2014 9:26pm
Johnboy

Course the Ukranians hated the Jews and in fact made the worse concentration camp guards.

They seemed to have much more stomach for the nasty stuff than even the Germans.

They were of course completely outclassed by those bloody Catholic Croats for sheer evilness and brutality! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:27pm
calendar girl

Shawn, thanks for your reply at 7:46pm. Loved the mischievously-deliberate grammatical, with the accompanying smiley face. Good to see you can stop to laugh at yourself – always a sign of a decent bloke!
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October 14, 2014 9:27pm
Reid

Course the Ukranians hated the Jews and in fact made the worse concentration camp guards.

That’s their rep Johnboy. Did you know BTW Ukraine is the historical home of the Khazarians?
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October 14, 2014 9:30pm
Johnboy

“The galloping mentals are gathering, neighing and whinnying, about to launch at full roar, at the wrong hill, where the enemy aren’t.”…..Didn’t Tony Richardson do that one in 1968 Reid? 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:31pm
Kea

Of course there are neo-Nazis in the Ukraine kea. Your mistake is in assuming, maliciously, that anyone opposed to Putin’s actions therefore supports them.

That is not remotely a valid or rational argument.

Shawn, no it would not be valid or rational, if it were true.

The point is she does know and has been provided the evidence, not that it should be necessary given her level of interest. The information is freely available for all to see. Confronted with this she then defends them and again attacks Russia. Enough about Lucy, she is not here, but there are many others doing the same.

This is not about Putin being a good guy or loving Russia. It is about the legitimate right of the ethnic and culturally Russian people to correct a mistake imposed on them by the USSR, following a referendum.

It is also about you seeing that it is not just RT and Putin who spout propaganda. Our side does it too.
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October 14, 2014 9:32pm
Johnboy

I think it was the wrong valley actually! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:33pm
Andrei

Yes Reid where ever the Americans meddle it always ends up the same bloodshed, chaos and a failed state and it is always some body else to blame.

For some reason the Americans think it their divine right to put missiles that potentially will kill millions of Russians right on Russia’s border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ
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October 14, 2014 9:34pm
Reid

Didn’t Tony Richardson do that one in 1968 Reid?

I hope so Johnboy. we all need a laugh, I suspect…

Luckily the Labour Party is giving us that.

Maybe that should be their next election slogan:

Labour: funnier than Ebola.

Party Vote Labour!

For some reason the Americans think it their divine right to put missiles that potentially will kill millions of Russians right on Russia’s border.

Yeah but that’s OK Andrei, after all, they’re not real human beings…
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October 14, 2014 9:34pm
Kea

Course the Ukranians hated the Jews and in fact made the worse concentration camp guards.

Johnboy, you know the Ukrainians accidently shot down a Russian passenger plane from Israel, that was full of Jews… with a missile ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

[Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was a commercial flight shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. The plane, a Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-154, carried an estimated 66 passengers and 12 crew members. Most of the passengers were Israelis visiting relatives in Russia.]
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October 14, 2014 9:37pm
Johnboy

Was that the Khazarians or Kardashians Reid?

If it was the latter one can only assume that all Ukrainians are a big pack of arses really! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:37pm
EAD

Good post Reid at 9.29pm

The media are now the enemy of truth and no country do you see it more than the UK whose populace has been on the coalfront of this new world order of mass immigration, needless wars, massive currency debasement, de-industrialisation, dumbing down of education etc. which is why Nigel Farage is being relentlessly smeared and threatened. When he talks to ordinary people face to face, without media smears, lies and disinfo, he wins. If there is anything that shows how rotten the UK and most of the former Western World (and I include NZ) has become, it is that the Fourth Estate is now indistinguishable from the political establishment it was supposed to hold to account.

Our ruling class establishment has come to believe in its right to rule over us, the establishment have become a single entity following a common purpose to the detriment of the citizens they are supposed to serve.
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October 14, 2014 9:42pm
Johnboy

Don’t forget that the USS Vincennes took out 290 Kea. Dodgy business this flying lark as I thought you would realise? 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:42pm
Rowan

“That is not remotely a valid or rational argument.”

Shawn
Thats the sort of arguments you get when you try to debate with the parrot, I get the same sort of responses when debating with Mike and Stupidboy. They lack the ability to think rationally and just post large amounts of irrelevant dressed up bs and try to sound intelligent when in reality their comments are nothing but entertainment value.
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October 14, 2014 9:43pm
Johnboy

It wasn’t Baldrick Reid. This Tony Richardson was the director of “The Charge of the Light Brigade”! 🙂
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October 14, 2014 9:47pm
Kea

It has become apparent that those of us opposed to war, suffering and destruction, are the bad guys on KB

Those of us who want a world where we keep out of other peoples affairs and show true tolerance and compassion are set upon by those who preach American exceptionalism and radical militaristic Christianity.

I feel like Ghandi when engaging with – some – of the Christians here.
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October 14, 2014 9:47pm
Griff

Close the boarder to any one who is from regions effected.
Now.
before it gets here.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/un-worker-dies-ebola-in-germany-6106784
An UN worker being treated for Ebola at a hospital in Germany has died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29588493
A Texan health worker who treated Ebola victim Thomas Eric Duncan before he died has tested positive for the deadly virus.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/health/2014-09/11/c_133634149.htm
SYDNEY, Sept. 11 (Xinhua) — A 25-year-old man has been rushed to an Australian hospital on Thursday after displaying symptoms of the Ebola virus, health officials said.
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October 14, 2014 9:47pm
stephieboy

kea, correct the Ukrainians did shoot down the Aeroflot Airline and fully admitted it . Furthermore they paid $15 million in compensation to the deceased families affected .

Now do you seriously think if the Dutch Safety board finds against the Doensk rebels that Putin will similarly oblige..?
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October 14, 2014 9:48pm
Kea

Don’t forget that the USS Vincennes took out 290 Kea. Dodgy business this flying lark as I thought you would realise?

Johnboy, they were only Persians and probably Muslim, so it does not count. In fact, even mentioning it means you support ISIS and hate baby Jesus. They deserved it, because even though Iran has attacked nobody in around 300 years, we know that they really want to, because the bible said so 🙄
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October 14, 2014 9:52pm
The Right Way

Labour: from despair to derangement.

It is a thing of beauty.
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October 14, 2014 9:52pm
Johnboy

I’m not a Christian Kea but I think we should nuke everybody that pisses us off.

I see myself more as this chap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHDBL7CNA4
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October 14, 2014 9:52pm
Kea

stephieboy, why should Putin pay ? According to you it is part of the Ukraine, not Russia.

Anyway, good to know you think shooting down planes full of Jewish civilians is okay, provided it is done by neo-nazi Ukrainians and they flick the victims family a few notes.

You must be missing Lucy tonight ?
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October 14, 2014 9:55pm
Reid

The media are now the enemy of truth and no country do you see it more than the UK whose populace has been on the coalfront of this new world order of mass immigration, needless wars, massive currency debasement, de-industrialisation, dumbing down of education etc. which is why Nigel Farage is being relentlessly smeared and threatened.

They tried to kill him EAD. You’ll be able to read behind the lines on e.g. this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519753/Pilot-threatened-kill-UKIP-leader-Nigel-Farage-election-day-plane-crash-dead.html

Most won’t, but I know you can.

P.S. I know you probably already know. Others may not. Still others might look at it and not even recognise what they’re looking at.

Our ruling class establishment has come to believe in its right to rule over us, the establishment have become a single entity following a common purpose to the detriment of the citizens they are supposed to serve.

Slice at a time EAD. Hard to overcome this democracy hallucination, esp in this tiny backwater where nothing ever happens. On the surface.
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October 14, 2014 9:55pm
Johnboy

I forgot that Kea. There were 66 children on board. I suppose they would have grown up to be Muslim fanatics so we probably did them a favour really.
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October 14, 2014 9:58pm
Kea

“There were 66 children on board”

Johnboy, yes well they are all fanatics those descendants of Ishmael. They had it coming. You know even god does not like them much, unlike his favourites the descendants of Isaac ?

[Persians are not Arabs, but hay they are all rag heads and we should nuke-em. Its what Geeeeeeeesus would want]
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October 14, 2014 10:06pm
Kea

More news from the NOT NEO-NAZI Ukraine, whom our very own Lucy adores:

“Another Right Sector video shows one of their members, Olexandr Muzychko, as he barged into a prosecutor’s office in the Rovno Oblast and proceeded to threaten and rough up the official, much in the line of Hitler’s brownshirts in a different era.

A prominent figure in Svoboda, Muzychko has publicly vowed to fight “against Jews, communists, and Russian scum” for as long as he lives. And finally, and equally ominous, on March 18 several Svoboda members of Parliament, including the deputy head of Ukraine’s committee on freedom of speech, stormed their way into the offices of the president of the National Television Company of Ukraine and after beating up the official they forced him to resign.

They were furious and called it treasonous that the national TV companyshowed Russian President Putin signing a bill to make Crimea part of Russia.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-medias-disinformation-campaign-on-ukraine-there-are-no-neo-nazis-in-the-interim-government/5376530
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October 14, 2014 10:12pm
Scott Chris

Classic Everett JB
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October 14, 2014 10:12pm
stephieboy

kea, the Doensk rebels happen to be pro Ukraine.? News to me. ! Even by Russian standards it was not just flicking a few dollars here and there .
In fact a most generous pay out.

Neo Nazi Ukraine’s .???

And who are these exactly.?,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGP4jjBp1g
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October 14, 2014 10:15pm
cha

Always been a favourite.

The Charge of the Light Brigade

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
   Someone had blundered.
   Theirs not to make reply,
   Theirs not to reason why,
   Theirs but to do and die.
   Into the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
   Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
   Rode the six hundred.
IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
   All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
   Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
   Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
   Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
   Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
   All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
   Noble six hundred!

Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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October 14, 2014 10:17pm
EAD

@ Reid:

This misunderstanding and misuse of the word “democracy” is depressing … democracy in it’s pure form is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority at any given time frame, democracy is a deficit without a constitutional republic whose rights of the citizens and limitations of the “majority” are written in stone.

When I look at people like Shawn who from a position of ignorance, thinks he knows everything about Russia, Iran etc. (who he alone knows are the bad guys) and realise his vote counts the same as someone who has actually thought about the issues rather than just regurgitated memes and talking points from our corrupt MSM, the whole concept of democracy is a joke. Without a proper media, holding the political elite to account and informing the electorate about the real issues (ever heard them talk about monetary systems?) democracy will continue to be a farce and the people mentally and financially enslaved.

Let’s look at the Shah of Iran for example:

Who were the people that the Shah so terribly oppressed? Well, mainly Islamic maniacs who sought to impose their theocracy upon all the peoples of Iran, and Communist agitators who sought to promote the chaos of warring ideologies.

Google “Iran before and after the Shah” and view the very sad and disheartening evidence of how a beautiful and mostly free cosmopolitan society in Iran was transformed into an Islamic theocratic nightmare.

The same theocratic nightmare that Western Leaders are slowly leading us into.
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October 14, 2014 10:19pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D10Y_35p98
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October 14, 2014 10:23pm
cha

A last hurrah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8TsAh-zYFI
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October 14, 2014 10:23pm
stephieboy

kea and shall I add EAD? And you believe this piece of information from the Global Research archives,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-a-time-for-truth/26430?print=1

Andre, yes we all know about the KKK . Common knowledge but is utterly shameful that you attempt to deny there are equivalent kinds of organizations in Putins Russia.
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October 14, 2014 10:24pm
Reid

Its what Geeeeeeeesus would want

Kea you, along with many, really need to learn how to distinguish God’s actual will from what the people on Earth who profess God, say is God’s will.

As you probably already know, Iran bows to God more than any other nation.

Why then is it so prosperous?

Go figure.

For example.

But does it profess God or Satan?

Isn’t that an interesting question.
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October 14, 2014 10:25pm
Andrei

Common knowledge but is utterly shameful that you attempt to deny there are equivalent kinds of organizations in Putins Russia.

There isn’t a nation in the world that doesn’t have its nutcases – they are even here in good old NZ
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October 14, 2014 10:29pm
Reid

One of the most brilliant guitar solo’s you’ll ever hear. With thanks to cha for remembering me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw
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October 14, 2014 10:31pm
EAD

Stephie’s favourite Republican Ted Nugent also does a great guitar solo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHDA5nHlDrQ
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October 14, 2014 10:36pm
Kea

Kea you, along with many, really need to learn how to distinguish God’s actual will from what the people on Earth who profess God, say is God’s will.

Reid, actually that is where I was going with that bit of sarcastic humour. Many of the hawks think it really is Gods will. Have you noticed how many of our most religious commentors are the ones constantly crying out for even more war ? They consider non Christians as uniquely evil, except for Jews, they are very special.

You are not like that and I know you are a Christian. So much so that you even read the bible past the violence of the old testament. People like Shawn should have paid more attention in Sunday school.
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October 14, 2014 10:39pm
Scott Chris

A last hurrah

I didn’t quite get it Cha. Seemed more bitter than poignant whether he’s referring to himself or not.
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October 14, 2014 10:42pm
cha

Oh look, a chickenhawk admirer.

name:
Theodore Anthony “Ted” Nugent

rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
December 13, 1948
home state:
Michigan, then Texas
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:

None
preferred activity:

Wearing feces-encrusted trousers
occupation:

Noisemaker

This twit pretends to be a tough guy, but in 1990 he confessed that to dodge the draft he crapped in his pants for a week before reporting for his physical. It’s understandable why — he’s a coward. What’s harder to understand is why the Army lets him entertain troops at Gitmo and Walter Reed.

http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=74
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October 14, 2014 10:49pm
Reid

Have you noticed how many of our most religious commentors are the ones constantly crying out for even more war ?

Of course I have. And it breaks my heart. But just because you know the truth in one area of life Kea doesn’t mean you’ve discovered it in others.

You are not like that and I know you are a Christian. So much so that you even read the bible past the violence of the old testament.

Kea I’m blessed with the gift of discernment. Everyone has gifts, that’s one of mine. Other people are blessed in different ways. All of us, whether or not we profess, are gifted, normally in more than one. When you see someone who loves their work, that’s because it gives them the opportunity to practice their gift(s).

Discernment means ability to discern spiritual vs worldly machinations. Broadly.

When I read the Bible I don’t internalise thous and wherefores, I internalise heavenly choirs and wisdom far beyond my understanding yet at the same time, tempered with my understanding.

When I read instructions to kill everyone including the livestock in the ancient caravan, which are then disobeyed, such as in Exodus, I don’t celebrate a triumph of humanity, I mourn a lost opportunity to cleanse an evil more powerful than the Nazis and Ebola and ISIS combined.

For the one begats the other my friend. That, it seems to me, is a missing part in your understanding.
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October 14, 2014 10:57pm
cha

Seemed more bitter than poignant whether he’s referring to himself or not.

An acknowledgement that Alzheimer’s has taken him, I think.
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October 14, 2014 10:57pm
cha

ZZ Top, 1970

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz3rstGIEAEwFdH.jpg:large
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October 14, 2014 11:15pm
Scott Chris

An acknowledgement that Alzheimer’s has taken him, I think.

I see. Thanks. Better to burn out maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcaRTg4-fM
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