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June 18, 2015 12:11pm by Kokila Patel

General Debate 18 June 2015

Apologies for the lateness….Kokila

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stigie

Now you can go for it chaps but play nicely !~
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June 18, 2015 12:13pm
hj

What is left for the Left (Brian Easton) left me none the wiser (eg) where is the War on Human Nature?
http://pundit.co.nz/content/what-is-left-for-the-left-0
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June 18, 2015 12:15pm
mandk

Don’t you love the irony of an institution calling itself the Cosmopolitan Club barring a Sikh because he is wearing a turban?
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June 18, 2015 12:17pm
kowtow

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/346128/greens-call-increase-refugee-quota

And on Seven Dull last night Pippa Witless made an empassioned plea for us to take more. No thank you.
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June 18, 2015 12:21pm
hj

Imagine telling a close friend “If someone kills me it will be my partnet”. You would think the victim would expect that big hint to help solve the case. Or imagine you come back from the afterlife to point the finger, only to find the judge rules it inadmissible?
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June 18, 2015 12:22pm
Paulus Gnome

Transracial! A new term coined by the confused Rachel Dolezal in explaining how her inner black persona burst out of her imprisoning Caucasian shell!

I wait with baited breath to the acceptance of the term so my whiteyboy frame can embrace my inner maori thereby being excused traffic offences in south Auckland, appear on Road Cops & Police 10/7 and benefit from the state largesse courtesy of the homie bro’s! (that means you)

Beam me up Scotty!
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June 18, 2015 12:25pm
Chuck Bird

@hj

This should be considered a very important issue. No doubt many of the lawyers on this site will say the hoi polloi are just stupid and do not understand how the law works. The problem is we do and do not think it works very well with innocent people being found guilt and the guilty walking free.

I do not case if a witness has a dozen charges for fraud and perjury the jury should hear him or her. The judge can comment on the witnesses credibility and the final call should be that of the jury.

The law is an ass.
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June 18, 2015 12:30pm
mara

Or next time you are pulled up for drunk driving, tell the Cop that you “identify” as being sober.
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June 18, 2015 12:33pm
waripori

Nick Smith has probably got a bit ahead of himself with announcements about using surplus Government land for housing but I cant see he has done too much wrong really. The government could see the interest rate cuts coming and needed to do something quickly to slow down the Auckland housing market a bit. The reserve bank is doing its bit on the demand side and the Government has to do something on the supply side quickly. That meant an announcement of intent without all the ducks lined up because the Auckland council is trying to hold the rest of the country to ransom.

If you were thinking about buying property in Auckland today at prices everyone thinks are more than crazy, the prospect that someone might actually get on and build 10,000 new dwellings over a couple of years would make you think again wouldn’t it?
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June 18, 2015 12:41pm
hj

Brian Easton:
“On environmental sustainability, the green Left particularly has a creditable record.”
http://pundit.co.nz/content/what-is-left-for-the-left-0

Green Left Says:
Royal Society shows its tunnel vision on population

For example, Frances Moore Lappe and Rachel Schurman argue for a “power structures analysis” that: “stresses the impact on fertility of women’s subordination to men, a condition that contributes to the social pressure for many births. But it places this problem within the context of unjust economic structures that deny people realistic alternatives to unlimited reproduction.

“Within such a framework, rapid population growth is seen to result largely from efforts by the poor to cope, given their powerlessness in the face of the concentrated economic strength of an elite…

“From the level of international trade and finance, down to jobs and income available to men as well as women, anti-democratic structures of decision-making set limits on people’s choices which ultimately influence their reproductive options …

“Without such a concept, we believe it is impossible to understand the complex and interacting problems of poverty, hunger, and population, much less act effectively to address them.”

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/51220

“It would also be racist to try to dictate family size, given that the various ethnic groups in our society have different birth rates.

“Their document ‘Ecological Footprint of New Zealand and its Regions’ enumerates the carrying capacity of New Zealand, but the Green Party ‘recognises that a sustainable population level for New Zealand would not be “final and fixed” but flexible.’
“However, it would be quite wrong to take from this that we are asking parents to have less kids,” Mr Locke says.
“It is anathema to myself – as it is to the Green Party – that any person should interest themselves in the right of any one to choose how many children they have,” said Mr Locke.

https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens%E2%80%99-population-policy-misinterpreted
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June 18, 2015 12:43pm
Albert_Ross

Paulus Gnome, the problem is not whether Ms Dolezal is or is not black. The problem is that it matters for some purposes whether she is black or not, and it really, really shouldn’t. There should be no context in which being black or not being black makes a difference to how she is treated, or thought of, by other people. Her own opinion as to whether she is black or not should therefore be equally irrelevant.

Having said which, I’m still mulling over that comment of Thomas Sowell: If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.

Is that true? Does anti-racism now require us to accept different rules and different standards for different races?

Has anything been heard from the Race Relations Commissioner recently?
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June 18, 2015 12:46pm
G152

I see Liebor writhing with the pleasure they’re taking in the death of
a child.
The ‘cold’ house has had innumerable other families there over the years and
apparently they all survived.
Maybe just maybe the Coroner got to be wrong in his ‘opinion’
It happens.
Or maybe he could point us to the many other fatalities that that particular ‘cold’ house caused?
But we shouldn’t hold our breath
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June 18, 2015 12:50pm
hj

On population Dawkins says no (selfish gene) would put the effort in only to see so many of it’s progeny starve. But you see that all the time in nature (seeding). Why do people living off rubbish dumps still have lot’s of children?
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June 18, 2015 12:52pm
Viking2

Two more interest rate cuts this year, at least.

We only did a 0.2 instead of the expected 0.6

Yep everything is rosy in the Nat world. Manufacturing is growing.
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June 18, 2015 12:59pm
kowtow

Waterloo anniversary tribute to history’s greatest Irishman.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-duke-of-wellington-s-drunken-dublin-years-1.2244707
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June 18, 2015 1:03pm
hj

On the Panel Ella Henry asked why anyone who wasn’t black would want to be. She says that white people have privilege and she has had to live with the burden of being “black” all her life. E.g she was at at a symposium in Oz and went to a Supermarket; she had her bags searched but her two white attendees didn’t. She should have been born a Japanese?
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June 18, 2015 1:04pm
mikenmild

Anglo-Irish surely kowtow?
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June 18, 2015 1:09pm
Jack5

A Rohingya Muslim — from the same people who are pouring out of Mynamar-Burma as boat people — calls on New Zealand to admit more Muslim refugees to settle in the country, and of course Radio NZ’s Labour Radio, relays his message.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/276577/%27give-more-refugees-an-opportunity%27
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June 18, 2015 1:09pm
Odakyu-sen

Ella Henry is mistaking “privilege” for “reputation and trust.”

The former is bestowed; the latter is earned must be maintained.
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June 18, 2015 1:14pm
AgentBallSack

Paulus the official term is Race Dismorphia. Or it will be once the liberals get involved.
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June 18, 2015 1:45pm
Shawn Herles

Reclaiming Conservatism from Libertarians.

“Since the 2012 election, a wide-ranging and helpful debate about the direction of conservatism has broken out among conservative commentators seeking to re-brand the movement. Key in this debate is how far conservatism should transform itself into libertarianism. Ben Domenech championed what he calls “populist libertarianism,” echoing Peter Suderman’s generous appraisal of what libertarianism can offer. Ross Douthat gave it a cautious critique, while Pascal-Emmanuel Gorby steered towards a slightly more traditional conservatism. The appeal of libertarianism is that, as political theories go, it is simple, consistent, and easy.

It is also radically unconservative, politically infeasible, and would result in awful public policy. It will never work in the real world—for which we should be grateful, because a pure libertarian state would be a terrible dystopia.”

Read more at: http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/09/reclaiming-conservatism-libertarians.html
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June 18, 2015 1:53pm
rangitoto

Paulus: “I wait with baited breath:

It’s “bated breath”.
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June 18, 2015 1:57pm
stephieboy

Jack 5,

“Radio NZ’s Labour Radio, relays his message.”

Do you believe it should of been censored ??
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June 18, 2015 1:59pm
Komata

Concerning the ‘refugees / boat people (in light of recent events and pronouncement by various individuals and political ‘leaders’):

Should such a craft be ‘discovered’ making its way across the Tasman (and based on previous experience and observation of MSM practices), would it be reasonable to believe that the kiwi MSM will give the country breathless (hysterical?) ‘minute by minute’ updates as to how it is progressing and its whereabouts, together with full television coverage when it was finally sighted off our coasts? Or that the gweens and labour will be positively falling over themselves with adoration and ecstasy (probably that as well) and that there will be the full ‘Welcome to New Zealand’ committee (s) when the boat load of SMUGGLED (and ILLEGAL) people finally makes its (equally) illegal way onto our shores – irrespective of where it may be.

As with a certain Mr. Zaoui, the fact that these people are ‘illegals’ will of course be completely overlooked and the irresponsible NZMSM will once again try to persuade us that it is ‘asking the ‘hard questions’ – the ones that ‘YOU’ want answers to.

Given that more boats will inevitably try their arm to cross the Tasman, It will be interesting to see whether my hypothesis is correct…

BTW: When (not if) such vessels sink while trying to cross a stretch of ocean renowned as being amongst the roughest in the world, any bets that the MSM (and other ‘special interest’ groups) will loudly wail that ‘its all the (National) government’s fault and deride JK for not personally swimming out to save them?
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June 18, 2015 2:01pm
jp_1983

Transracial!

Whats an other letter already added to the alphabet. Im sure Cr. Casey would like to fund another focus group for this?

GLBTIQT?
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June 18, 2015 2:04pm
MT_Tinman

hj (8,236 comments) says:
June 18th, 2015 at 12:22 pm

Imagine telling a close friend “If someone kills me it will be my partnet”.

Imagine being convicted and punished accordingly because of what someone made up or imagined the victim said.
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June 18, 2015 2:05pm
Jack5

Stephieboy at 1.59, said in response to my noticing Radio Labour broadcasting a Muslim refugee’s call for New Zealand to admit more Muslim refugees:

Do you believe it should of been censored ??

It’s not a question of censorship, Stephieboy, but of Lefties promoting Leftism. Reporting on State radio that a Muslim refugee wants more Muslim refugees admitted is equivalent to Radio Labour phoning northern Canada and reporting a Eskimo says it is snowing.
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June 18, 2015 2:08pm
Julian

mara @ 1233 – brilliant!
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June 18, 2015 2:09pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, so your now attempting to determine whether an item of news such as this is worth mentioning ?

What else do you think is not newsworthy other than those that confirm your own prejudicial opinions ??
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June 18, 2015 2:17pm
Chuck Bird

Four trampers rescued in freezing conditions

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11467243

This is unbelievable. I can understand a couple of people being stupid and starting a climb a 4pm without proper gear. However, there were 8 climbers or trampers. Surely one would have had enough common sense to see it was a bad idea.
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June 18, 2015 2:17pm
Odakyu-sen

Paulus: “I wait with baited breath:

It’s “bated breath”.

…You only need to say his name three times. 😉
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June 18, 2015 2:19pm
Dennis Horne

Paulus: “I wait with baited breath … “

It’s “bated breath”.

Have you smelt it?
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June 18, 2015 2:23pm
stephieboy

According to the last NASA satellite imagery imagery the worlds main aquifers are starting to dry up and this is directly linked to climate change ,

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/the-water-table-is-dropping-all-over-the-world-new-nasa-study-reveals-global-drought#__federated=1,

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11466783

Climate deniers like Republican Steve Stockman will of course deny it sticking to his mantra that all the earth is there for is drilling holes and sucking the gas and oil out of it.

Or could it be a UN or Papal plot ?
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June 18, 2015 2:25pm
Inandout

Jack5: There is something weird about Muslims in that they are so easily sucked in by ISIS pied piper behaviour, in that a whole family can take off to certain death like the one in the UK. How could they take their little kids into a pedophile environment such as those terrorists inhabit? And before Muslim lovers jump in here, the Jim Jones camp was nothing like this. As has been suggested many times before on here, stop importing Muslims; they are potentially bloody dangerous and the likes of Mohamed Shah Alam Ali should be told to f… off.
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June 18, 2015 2:26pm
stephieboy

Inandout,

all the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims sucked in by ISIS’s “pied piper behaviour ” ???
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June 18, 2015 2:28pm
Jack5

Stephieboy at 2.17:

….Jack 5, so your now attempting to determine whether an item of news such as this is worth mentioning ?

Stephieboy, it’s understandable why you like the Leftist tripe from Radio NZ’s Labour Programme. However, a taxpayer-funded news medium should strive to be non-partisan, and the Labour Programme is enthusiastically Left wing rather than impartial.

To be newsworthy an item usually has to have an element of the unusual or the unexpected. Reporting a Burmese Muslim refugee wants NZ to admit more Burmese Muslim refugees is an Eskimo saying there’s a lot of snow around.

By the way, Stephieboy, have you apologised to Manolo for snidely targeting what you perceive is his ethnic/racist background? (The Stephieboy post at 10.59, in the thread, under the heading, Transracial.) Be a man, Stephieboy, and apologise (unless you are a woman posting under a male pseudonym, in which case, be a good woman and apologise).
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June 18, 2015 2:34pm
artemisia

Today a turban. Tomorrow a burkha. What’s a Cossie Club to do?
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June 18, 2015 2:36pm
Shawn Herles

Meet the N.C. Mother of 3 Who’s Fighting ISIS in Iraq

” A North Carolina mother of three has left her home and family to fight against ISIS in Iraq.

Gretchen Carlson reported on “The Real Story” today that Samantha Johnston, 25, of Emerald Isle, N.C., volunteered to serve with Kurdish Peshmerga troops. She is the only known American woman in Iraq involved in the fight against the terrorist group.

“It was my choice. It was something that I decided and prayed about,” Johnston explained in an interview with WJZY-TV. “Luckily, my family – they don’t support me being here – but they’re being supportive, if that makes sense.”

“I told them that I was leaving for a little while to help other little children.”

Johnston previously served in the U.S. Army from 2008 to 2011. She has been with Peshmerga forces near the city of Kirkuk for more than two months.”

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/17/meet-nc-mother-three-samantha-johnston-who%E2%80%99s-fighting-isis-iraq
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June 18, 2015 2:38pm
mandk

@ Shawn Herles (1.53pm)

I think what conservatives need to recognise and address is that many people who regard themselves as libertarians are simply libertines in drag.

Equally, many people who regard themselves as social liberals are the most illiberal people around.
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June 18, 2015 2:39pm
Shawn Herles

121 Illegal Immigrants Released By Obama Admin, Now Accused of Murder

” More than 100 illegal immigrants who were released by the Obama administration are now facing murder or other homicide related charges.

According to government data released Monday, the Obama administration has released 121 illegal immigrants between 2010 and 2014.

The illegal immigrants were scheduled for deportation by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), but were never removed from the country.”

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/17/obama-adminstration-released-121-illegal-immigrants-now-accused-murder
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June 18, 2015 2:39pm
kowtow

“Anglo-Irish surely kowtow?”

No , Old English, part of the Norman invasion. But Irish nonetheless.
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June 18, 2015 2:43pm
Brigitte

Okay, Donald Trump humour time. Huff Post has put some animals up that “share his hair”. First one is spooky.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/donald-trump-hair-animals_n_7600270.html
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June 18, 2015 2:44pm
SGA

mandk at 2:39 pm

I think what conservatives need to recognise and address is that many people who regard themselves as libertarians are simply libertines in drag.

In what way in drag? Sorry, trying to understand your allusion.
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June 18, 2015 2:44pm
Griff

Liberal
Why dont you twats use the word correctly ?
In case you have not noticed.
This is a liberal blog.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement

Political Views
I self identify as a classical liberal, which the Institute for Liberal Values of New Zealand succinctly summarises as a belief in individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason.

Hardly anyone bothers with Conservative blogs in NZ
Wounder why?
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June 18, 2015 2:46pm
Shawn Herles

“In case you have not noticed.
This is a liberal blog.”

Yes, but nobodies perfect, so I don’t hold it against David. 😉
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June 18, 2015 2:51pm
Dennis Horne

… mother of three has left her home and family to fight against ISIS in Iraq … to serve with Kurdish Peshmerga troops. “It was my choice. It was something that I decided and prayed about,”

Either none of the gods answered or the gods are capricious and untrustworthy.
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June 18, 2015 2:51pm
mandk

@ SGA, in disguise, if you prefer.

@ Griff, I was careful to say social liberal. But, by resorting to using an abusive term, I think you helped to make my point.
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June 18, 2015 2:54pm
Shawn Herles

Are your gods not working for you Dennis? 😉
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June 18, 2015 2:55pm
AgentBallSack

However, Trevor Easton, the general manager of Outline – a national counselling service specifically for the lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender, intersex and questioning (LGBTIQ) community – was outraged by the incident.

“I’m absolutely appalled. I can’t believe in this day and age that we live in, that conversation needed to happen. It’s a shocker.”

Of course he was “outraged” and “appalled”. It’s all gay people seem to be capable of these days. HTFU not everyone accepts your lifestyle!
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June 18, 2015 2:57pm
RightNow

stephieboy… “According to the last NASA satellite imagery imagery the worlds main aquifers are starting to dry up and this is directly linked to climate change ,”

Neither of the articles linked mention climate change at all… seems to be mining and irrigation that’s using water, in other words land use changes.
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June 18, 2015 2:57pm
Shawn Herles

The new emoticons have a flaw. You can barely tell the difference between a smile and a winky, so just to be clear my last two were winkys!
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June 18, 2015 2:58pm
Dennis Horne

my last two were winkys!

I’ll get a hanky. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 18, 2015 3:00pm
Shawn Herles

“I’ll get a hanky.”

Ok, just don’t give it to me when your done! 😉
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June 18, 2015 3:02pm
Shawn Herles

The Black Book of the American Left, Volume IV – Islamo-Fascism and the War Against the Jews.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/lee-bender/the-black-book-of-the-american-left-volume-iv-islamo-fascism-and-the-war-against-the-jews-3/
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June 18, 2015 3:03pm
Shawn Herles

3 Ways America Is Older Than You Think.

https://youtu.be/NYpYQWF_3cg
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June 18, 2015 3:05pm
Shawn Herles

Well my wife says I have a lot to brag about Dennis! 🙂

Though it’s possible she may just be winding me up.
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June 18, 2015 3:08pm
trout

Re: Chuck [email protected] referring to the stupidity of 8 trekkers attempting to climb Mt. Ngauruhoe after 4pm in the winter the latest FMC bulletin has an interesting comment on the incidence of ‘risk-shift’ -‘a social psychology term for the tendency of people to make more daring (riskier) decisions when they are in groups than when they are alone. A corolory added was that this phenomonen ‘was particularly true of young men , whose judgement does not fully develop until they are in their mid twenties’. I would have thought groups would be more rather than less conservative in decision making although I have seen a group on top of a mountain split into 3 subgroups because of disagreemant as to the the best route to descend.
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June 18, 2015 3:10pm
kowtow

The Sikh and the Club.

It’s not ‘discrimination”, it’s the house rules.

Try walking into a Sikh temple with your shoes on.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Visiting_a_Gurdwara
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June 18, 2015 3:14pm
Shawn Herles

“This is a liberal blog.” and dissenting views will not be tolerated!

Kinda walked into that one Griff! 😉
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June 18, 2015 3:32pm
stephieboy

kowtow, love your typically lopsided logic .Removing your shoes is the same as been forbidden membership ?

Remember this is the year 2015 not 1915 !

Right ?
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June 18, 2015 3:41pm
Andrei

Your video is almost comical Shawn Herles

Where was the“rule of law” when the USA illegally invaded Iraq in 2003 Shawn Herles?

Where was the “rule of law” when the USA was supplying the KLA, a terrorist organization, with weapons in the 1990s to undermine the lawful Government of Yugoslavia and then bombing the shit out of the place when the Yugoslav Government, the LAWFÜL Authority in those lands tried to put an end to the problems the US Government was making in their territories.

And where was the “rule of law” when the USA bombed Libya into anarchy handing it over to Al Qaeda effectively.

American hubris at its finest
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June 18, 2015 3:49pm
Griff

Twat is for butchering the language not for having the dissenting view .
Most mean socialist when they use liberal.
An Americanism that is not valid here were we speak the Queens English not yank.
The national party has its roots in the nz liberal party.
The NZ Conservative party are socialist .
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June 18, 2015 3:49pm
mandk

“Twat is for butchering the language not for having the dissenting view”

Howls of derisive laughter, Griff!

If you are going to abuse someone for butchering the language, you need to be faultless yourself.
What do you call someone who is unable to punctuate “Queen’s English” properly?
And what do you call someone who does not recognise that “The NZ Conservative party are socialist” is not grammatical?
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June 18, 2015 4:25pm
Griff

Functionally illiterate.
As I have admitted I am on this blog in the past… So f##kin what.

DPF is a liberal.
This is a liberal blog with most posts having a liberal slant in both economic and social matters.
You use liberal to mean socialist.
You can be a liberal socialist or a Conservative socialist.
The New Zealand Conservative party is socialist.
It had an economic policy of retaining government control of industry which is the definition of socialist.
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June 18, 2015 4:33pm
Shawn Herles

Where was the rule of law when Russia launched pogroms against Jews Andrei?

Where was the rule of law when Russia helped Hitler carve up Poland.

Where was the rule of law when Russia starved millions of of it’s own people and many others?

Where was the rule of Law when Russia crushed the Prague spring?

Where was the rule of Law when Russia used mass shelling against civilians in Chechnya?

Where was the rule of law when Russia invaded Georgia?

Russia filled the 20th century with the bodies of millions upon millions of innocents. Russians have no right to judge any other nation on earth.

Once again, your hypocrisy is showing.
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June 18, 2015 4:44pm
Shawn Herles

The issue of whether or not this blog is liberal or not is irrelevant. DPF allows all views to be shared here. There are no KB rules against conservatives posting here.

National was for most of it’s history a small-c conservative party. It’s membership and it’s MP’s have today have a large number of conservatives. It has only very recently adopted social liberalism, and even then, many of it’s MP’s would not agree with this.
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June 18, 2015 4:52pm
calendar girl

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11467354

“New Herald editor Appointed

One of country’s most respected journalists and newsroom leaders take the reins of the weekday New Zealand Herald.”

The poor bloke. His new staff can’t use correct grammar even in the announcement of their new boss’s appointment.

(It’s only a typo, but it does tend to typify the sloppy, present-day standards of the newspaper and its online version.)
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June 18, 2015 4:54pm
mikenmild

kowtow

After his death Irish and English newspapers disputed whether Wellington had been born an Irishman or Englishman.[185] During his life he had openly disliked being referred to as an “Irishman”
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June 18, 2015 4:54pm
mandk

I don’t have a problem with you being functionally illiterate, Griff.

But perhaps you should steer clear of berating me for, in you opinion, butchering the language, when you mutilate it yourself.

Equally, if you want to berate people for being, in your opinion, unscientific on climate change matters, it is probably better not to spout obviously unscientific drivel, as you did on yesterday’s thread about abortion.
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June 18, 2015 5:10pm
nasska

Shawn

You miss the gist of Griff’s comments. DPF may be a National supporter but he is a self professed liberal.

The mystery is why his blog gets gunked up with the witterings of diehard conservatives when their natural homes should be “True Blue”, “Crusader Rabbit” or “NZ Conservative”.
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June 18, 2015 5:23pm
Griff

What I am disputing is the frequent use of liberal in the American idiom as a term for socialist.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Liberal
I take it as an insult against the New Zealand public who are in the majority liberal, The host of this blog who is a liberal and my own liberal politics.

National has only very recently adopted social liberalism.

Wrong we are and have always been a socially liberal country.

On 19 September 1893 the governor, Lord Glasgow, signed a new Electoral Act into law. As a result of this landmark legislation, New Zealand became the first self-governing country in the world in which all women had the right to vote in parliamentary elections.

The establishment of Māori electorates came about in 1867 during the term of the 4th Parliament with the Māori Representation Act,

the Prostitution Reform Act, passed in June 2003. The decriminalisation of brothels, escort agencies and soliciting, and the substitution of a minimal regulatory model created worldwide interest; New Zealand prostitution laws are now some of the most liberal in the world.

Mandk
Wanking as genocide.
A liberal joke that obviously past right over your head.
A reaction to the “unborn child”oxymoron that always infest the abortion debate
TDVM picked up on the Monty python source
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June 18, 2015 5:28pm
mandk

@ nasska

If this blog didn’t get gunked up with the witterings of diehard conservatives (and the occasional lefty, for that matter), wouldn’t it just become a right wing version of The Standard?

That would be very dull.
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June 18, 2015 5:29pm
stigie

You need to give Reddy a hand Nasska and get his site cranked up ole chap !~
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June 18, 2015 5:29pm
nasska

That’s what happens when Baity chucks a wobbly & abandons his fellow loops Griff.

They forget that the proper term is “progs”. 🙂
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June 18, 2015 5:31pm
nasska

….”That would be very dull.”….

True! There’d be no one to pick on. 🙂
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June 18, 2015 5:32pm
stephieboy

On learning the fact the fact that the Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington was born in Dublin May 1 1769 must be an unbearable burden for kowtow to bear !

Tsk, tsk, tsk !
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June 18, 2015 5:34pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

All that ground water abstraction is estimated to produce about 25% of sea level rise for last few decades – which is rather inconvenient for the Alarminati as it means that underlying sea level rise is basically unchanged at about 2mm/year for last century, starting decades before CO2 rose significantly ~1950).

http://www.un-igrac.org/publications/422
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June 18, 2015 5:37pm
Griff

Sea level rise was 1.2mm a year over most of the last century
Up until about 1990 when it accelerated to 3.2mm
Using an average to hide the increase shows you lack of mental capacity to understand basic statistics .
In fact this is even in your link

This turned out to be 0.8 mm per year, which is a surprisingly large amount when compared to the current sea level rise of 3.3 mm per years as estimated by the IPCC. It thus turns out that almost half of the current sea level rise can be explained by expansion of warming sea water, just over one quarter by the melting of glaciers and ice caps and slightly less than one quarter by groundwater depletion.

The greenhouse effect started rising as soon as we started releasing co2 during the industrial revolution
Not in 1950 but in the 1800’s.
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June 18, 2015 5:44pm
Shawn Herles

Naaska,

“You miss the gist of Griff’s comments. DPF may be a National supporter but he is a self professed liberal.”

No I got that, I just don’t see it as being relevant.

“The mystery is why his blog gets gunked up with the witterings of diehard conservatives when their natural homes should be “True Blue”, “Crusader Rabbit” or “NZ Conservative”.”

That’s not a mystery. Center Right National party conservatives prefer center Right National party blogs.

The first two blogs on that list are far Right and anti-National, so they are not the natural home of folks like me, and the NZ Conservative is primarily a Roman Catholic blog, and those of us who are not RC might want a wider discussion and engagement with a more diverse set of views.
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June 18, 2015 5:50pm
Shawn Herles

“I don’t have a problem with you being functionally illiterate, Griff.”

He’s not. I may have strong disagreements with Griff on some issues, but he is one of the more intelligent and well read commentators here.
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June 18, 2015 5:51pm
kowtow

stephiechild

“On learning the fact the fact that the Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington was born in Dublin May 1 1769 must be an unbearable burden for kowtow to bear !”

How do you come to that ?
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June 18, 2015 5:53pm
kowtow

mm

“After his death Irish and English newspapers disputed whether Wellington had been born an Irishman or Englishman.[185] During his life he had openly disliked being referred to as an “Irishman””

Citation required.
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June 18, 2015 5:54pm
mikenmild

Wikipedia
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June 18, 2015 5:58pm
nasska

Shawn

….” Center Right National party conservatives prefer center Right National party blogs.”….

That may be true in your case but this time last year about a dozen of the noisiest conservatives were wrapping themselves protectively around Colin Craig or kneeling clutching at the cuffs of his pants while berating JK & National for being progs.

After their idol predictably went toes up they slithered back here hoping that no one would remember their foolishness.
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June 18, 2015 6:02pm
SGA

kowtow at 5:54 pm

“After his death Irish and English newspapers disputed whether Wellington had been born an Irishman or Englishman.[185] During his life he had openly disliked being referred to as an “Irishman””
Citation required.

The [185] style of referencing usually indicates Wikipedia as the source.
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June 18, 2015 6:10pm
Shawn Herles

“That may be true in your case but this time last year about a dozen of the noisiest conservatives were wrapping themselves protectively around Colin Craig or kneeling clutching at the cuffs of his pants while berating JK & National for being progs.”

There’s no accounting for taste nasska.

Personally I went from cautiously hopeful to very skeptical fairly quickly, and ended up deciding that the party had about as much to do with conservatism as a gay pride parade.
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June 18, 2015 6:11pm
nasska

….”the party had about as much to do with conservatism as a gay pride parade.”….

🙂
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June 18, 2015 6:16pm
kowtow

185 would relate to the newspaper claims . I seek citation on the dislike.

In any event the Duke hated dealing with reporters and biographers and “one of the Duke’s more curious traits was a studied indifference to his own history”

Wellington,The Years of the sword , Elizabeth Longford.

Who also stated there is documentary evidence of the Duke’s family as having lived in Ireland since 1226.
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June 18, 2015 6:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Griff… 4:33pm

Functionally illiterate.
As I have admitted I am on this blog in the past… So f##kin what.

Feel free to tell me to piss off… as I know this is personal…..but it is also a matter that interests me…

I don’t for one minute think you are functionally illiterate. Your reading level must be at that of a university graduate, at least.
I think you must have had poor instruction in spelling sometime fairly early in your education. Possibly this has lead to problems with you expressing yourself using formal English conventions. However none of us on this blog have any great difficulty understanding your message(s).
I am vain enough to think that I could sort out your spelling problems (to a certain degree), or at least show you some techniques to improve things.
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June 18, 2015 6:19pm
ngatimozart

Seems Colin Craig is going to get the sack as Conservative Party leader. Apparently the party have had enough of his PR stuff ups so the axe falls in a coup tomorrow. This according to Gower on 3News.it seems that the party want to ally themselves with National and Craig is the obstacle to that plan.
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June 18, 2015 6:24pm
Shawn Herles

“Seems Colin Craig is going to get the sack as Conservative Party leader.”

That would be a good move. He’s a liability. They need to look at their policies as well. I see nothing conservative in binding referendums, and nothing economically useful in opposing asset sales.

“it seems that the party want to ally themselves with National and Craig is the obstacle to that plan.”

Hell yes. His petulant demands for National to gift him a seat while at the same time bashing them was bizarre and must have been embarrassing for many in the party.
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June 18, 2015 6:32pm
doggone7

ngatimozart @ 6:24 pm

So do you reckon the Nats will do a David Seymour with Christine Rankin or some other so they have another ally in the House?
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June 18, 2015 6:32pm
Griff

Alas Maggie it is a Little late for that.
As you know I am an aspie.
One of the factors often linked with that is I lack the small motor skill needed to write legibly.
My reading age and comprehension was at university level at age ten.
Unfortunately back in the seventy’s I was excluded from success at school due to my inability to write clearly. My own stubben attitude meant I refused to actually do any work at school if I always received a d due to my work being illegible . My formal eduction ended at fourteen.
A good reference frame is reading the girl with the dragon tattoo. Lisbeth is an Aspie caricature very well drawn.
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June 18, 2015 6:37pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2faiEGBJyM
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June 18, 2015 6:39pm
Shawn Herles

“A good reference frame is reading the girl with the dragon tattoo. Lisbeth is an Aspie caricature very well drawn.”

I agree, and it’s a damn good read. I know you generally don’t watch tv but there is a good little series called The Bridge available online, a very intelligently written crime drama, in which the main protagonist, a female detective, is an aspie. I though her portrayal was spot on.
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June 18, 2015 6:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Griff…
for goodness sake… I’m married to a mad scientist; I’m not exactly Mrs Normal myself….I don’t need any more insights into the great range of “normality”

But you have confirmed exactly what I thought…. you have been cheated of a decent school education.

I have taught class-loads of boys/young men that have been similarly cheated. All of them liked science when I taught it with hands-on practicals.

Well, my method(s) involve hard work… but 5 minutes/day could produce some results.
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June 18, 2015 6:59pm
stephieboy

kowtow, you appear to have a problem with the Irish or is it only the Catholic ones ?
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June 18, 2015 7:00pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmgdnq5ccxj08vu/Godnutters%2028.png?dl=0
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June 18, 2015 7:25pm
mikenmild

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holy_Foreskin
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June 18, 2015 7:28pm
nasska

The Mother Church has much to teach us Mike. 🙂
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