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August 5, 2015 11:13am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 August 2015

My bad. KP is away, and I forgot!

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iMP

Comic sketch show “Seven Days” has taken on Colin Craig’s mass mailout booklet. I guess “7Days” will now be sued “within 48 hours.”

Not a show I especially watch, but it’s here for a laugh:

http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-DAYS-Ep-21—Colin-Craigs-Little-Booklet/tabid/3692/articleID/117064/MCat/2901/Default.aspx
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August 5, 2015 11:16am
Albert_Ross

I see that the hunting community is arguing that hunters have every interest in maintaining healthy, thriving populations of the animals they hunt; for example http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11492227.

I wonder how they reconcile that with their argument that 1080 is a bad way to control/reduce predator populations and that a better alternative would be to reward hunters for killing them? for example http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/08/surely-this-isnt-really-necessary/
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August 5, 2015 11:19am
stephieboy

The President on tackling Climate change,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33753067

But not if the Koch( we love snorting Co 2 ) brothers and the Repugnanticans get their way.

Meanwhile the world burns with close record temperatures in the Middle East – 73 C . Yes thats right 73c Celsius !,

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198954

Not to speak of a record in retreating glaciers ,

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/glaciers-are-retreating-faster-before-180956158/?no-ist
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August 5, 2015 11:19am
Manolo

For those who have Apple shares: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-a-deeper-dive-by-apple-could-crush-this-market-2015-08-04

Crumbles by commodities and the Colossus of Cupertino have been getting much of the blame for the stock market slumping in seven of the past 10 sessions.
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August 5, 2015 11:20am
Manolo

Meanwhile, in bucolic NZ progressive stephieboy cheers his Kenyan idol.
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August 5, 2015 11:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Stephie Boy
That 73deg C is a make-up “feels -as-if” metric….. a heat index temp & humidity scale

The thermometer did not read 73 deg…..It was 46deg C

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/27848/53/
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August 5, 2015 11:27am
theoldbloke

Stephieboy. Interesting that Smithsonian has to quote an article in the Guardian.
But read the bit about glaciers. Interested in the comment from the researchers.

Researchers note that the retreat is profound enough that even if climate change somehow stopped and temperatures remained stable, glaciers would likely to continue to melt.

This after researchers also note glaciers have been retreating since the end of the mini iceage in the mid 1800s!!!
So wouldnt get too excited about using this as a hammer in the man made global warming debate.
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August 5, 2015 11:29am
starboard

Classy eh..sexually assaulting a 71 year old lady. What a fuckin scumbag. Bids on , I wonder what ‘variety’ he is..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/70838753/elderly-woman-sexually-assaulted-at-home
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August 5, 2015 11:31am
stephieboy

Manolo, Queen Sarah’s page boy go and indulge yourself ,

TEA PARTY AND THE RIGHT

8 Jaw-dropping Inanities Far Right Wingers Said This Holiday Week

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/8-jaw-dropping-inanities-far-right-wingers-said-holiday-week
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August 5, 2015 11:33am
Don the Kiwi

stephieboy.

Keeps looking for the splinter in the eyes of those he disagrees with, but forgets the log in his own.

Talk about blind……..none so blind as those who don’t want to see.
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August 5, 2015 11:36am
starboard

yes , you know the variety don’t you Stephieboy, mr downticker..
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August 5, 2015 11:42am
Chuck Bird

Just more father bashing by Amy Adams and the Law Commission. Men are still being affected by the miscarriage of justice by the Peter Ellis case. The Minister of Injustice cares more about process than doing something about this blot on the NZ Justice system.

I have read the document that blames men for the vast majority of domestic violence without evidence provided so the evidence is accessible.

It mentions the much higher rate of Maori violence but do not demonize Maori like the paper does with men.

It also mentions higher rates of homosexual violence but instead of blaming homosexuals society is blamed due to discrimination.

Editorial: Adams wise to review abuse guidelines
5:00 AM Wednesday Aug 5, 2015

The right to privacy in these circumstances is surely superseded by another person’s right to be warned against a high risk of physical harm. Let’s stop using gender neutral terms on this subject. Men might sometimes be injured by violent women, but the injuries a man can do to a woman are usually very much worse, which is why any man who strikes a woman is beneath contempt. His rights to privacy are hard to respect if police have found his female partner has been battered.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11491946
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August 5, 2015 11:54am
stephieboy

Oh dear upsetting the touchy sensitive sensibilities of our current in resident rabid righters and climate deniers .

As to glacial retreat and relationship to climate change this article has an excellent handle on it ,

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/

But I can apprecaite the futility of convincing the nay sayers who are utterly convinced ,along with the Koch brothers , that the earth’s 7 billion people ,including fossil fuel emissions, have absolutely no effect on our climate and weather !
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August 5, 2015 12:02pm
kowtow

“Just more father bashing by Amy Adams and the Law Commission”

It also goes by the term cultural marxism.
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August 5, 2015 12:02pm
Griff

Oh Stephie Boy
That 73deg C is a make-up “feels -as-if” metric….. a heat index temp & humidity scale

Actually it is an important and relevant measurement as at that level of humidity/ temperature your chances of death due to heat stroke increase. Your body can not regulate its internal temperatures using evaporation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index .
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August 5, 2015 12:03pm
kowtow

Velly intellesting. But the msm will ignore.

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/76906/ron-pol-argues-theres-missing-dimension-aucklands-housing-debate-new-controls-needed
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August 5, 2015 12:10pm
Shawn Herles

“Obama’s New Energy Plan Could Cost $2,500,000,000,000 in Lost Economic Growth” but “Climatologists estimate that the administration’s climate regulations will avert less than two hundredths of a degree Celsius by 2100.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/nicolas-loris/obamas-new-energy-plan-could-cost-25-trillion-lost-economic-growth

So it will cost Americans billions in lost economic growth, and raise energy and gas prices for low and middle income earners, and achieve NOTHING AT ALL.

Liberals are stupid.
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August 5, 2015 12:10pm
Manolo

Obama is the first anti-American president. The Kenyan will go down in history as a complete failure.
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August 5, 2015 12:13pm
cha

Bye Muzza.

Andrea Vance
‏@avancenz

Treasury papers (quietly published yesterday) reveal they objected repeatedly to the Saudi deal. Full details on @NZStuffPolitics soon

https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/628711813060804609
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August 5, 2015 12:14pm
Left Right and Centre

Classy eh..sexually assaulting a 71 year old lady. What a fuckin scumbag. Bids on , I wonder what ‘variety’ he is..

I wonder if the house was locked ? Did he just walk in ? Break in ? ‘Sexual assault’ but not rape ? Is that saying it’s not rape, might/ might not be or is it code for certainly was rape ? Really bad but how to reduce / eliminate crime rates?

As for variety – I thought one dude would be brown and he was Slovakian – hahaha shame on me.
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August 5, 2015 12:14pm
Brian Smaller

Please stephieboy – do your bit to make a real reduction in CO2 output. Hold your breath for the next three or four decades.
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August 5, 2015 12:15pm
Griff

Conservative are a bunch of gullible easily confused idiots .
The costs and benefits

John Quiggin, Professor, School of Economics, University of Queensland

The really striking feature of Obama’s climate change plan is the calculation that the local environmental and health benefits of reducing the use of coal to generate electricity will far outweigh the direct economic costs, even without considering the impact on CO2 emissions. This is consistent with economic research on the subject, most notably this 2011 review, which concluded that the overall damage done by coal is potentially several times larger than the benefits.

A similar assessment is reflected in the Chinese government’s decision to close down all the coal-fired power stations in the vicinity of Beijing and other major cities.

This means we are still in the region of “no regrets” policies on climate change, in which measures to reduce CO2 emissions are beneficial even without taking climate change into account. The fact that so much can be achieved with so little downside is largely due to the availability of so much “low-hanging fruit” in energy efficiency measures, and even more to the startling reductions in the cost of renewable energy, particularly solar photovoltaics. These reductions have rapidly reached the point, where, depending on the vagaries of electricity pricing, renewables are often cheaper than new coal-fired power plants.

https://theconversation.com/obama-takes-biggest-step-on-us-climate-policy-experts-react-45644
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August 5, 2015 12:15pm
Shawn Herles

Majority of House Backs Resolution to Kill Iran Deal.

“A majority of House lawmakers now support a resolution to reject the recently signed nuclear agreement with Iran, marking another blow to the White House’s aggressive push to convince Congress to back the deal, according to sources on Capitol Hill.”

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/majority-of-house-backs-resolution-to-kill-iran-deal/

Good. Obama must not get away with his plan to fund Iranian terrorism.
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August 5, 2015 12:15pm
Huevon

Not quite sure what to make of this….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FkNbtkgps
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August 5, 2015 12:17pm
Shawn Herles

World Stands Against Radical Islam… World Doesn’t Stand With Obama!

“Colleen Huffard was murdered in Oklahoma because she was not Muslim. An Islamic terrorist decapitated her and the president said nothing. He released five Taliban terrorist from Cuba in exchange for a traitor by the name of Bergdahl. If Bergdahl were Christian he would have never come home. How many lives have been lost at the hands of these terrorist since their release? Now terrorist have struck again in Paris and once again our president has said nothing. While leaders throughout the world stand against radical Islam our president stands with Islam.

The American people were tricked into believing they were electing a black president who stood for hope and change. If this country had known what Obama stands for he would not have been elected. It is painfully clear to see that Obama stands with Islam and not the American people. ”

http://dcgazette.com/world-stand-radical-islam-world-doesnt-stand-obama/
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August 5, 2015 12:18pm
Manolo

Krauthammer on Carson: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/04/krauthammer-on-carson-tortoise-in-race/?intcmp=hpbt1

“He’s the tortoise [in the race]… He’s slow, he’s steady, he’s quiet, but he’s staying there, and he’s got staying power.”
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August 5, 2015 12:18pm
Scott

As well as others I noted the new domestic violence measures being led by Amy Adams. She says that New Zealand incidence of domestic violence remains “horrific” despite the world leading domestic violence act of 1995.

For my $.02 worth I would say that one of the causes of domestic violence is the decline of marriage and the rise of live-in partners. The numbers show that husbands are much less likely to abuse their spouses than partners are to abuse their live-in partner. So I would like to see us raise the culture of marriage and encourage everyone to get married rather than live together. Experience and revelation go hand-in-hand on this one.

I would expect to see with the rise of marriage a decline in domestic violence which would be welcomed by people from all walks of life.
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August 5, 2015 12:18pm
Shawn Herles

Japan Just Showed Obama How to SHUT DOWN Radical Islam Entirely

http://800whistleblower.com/japan-just-showed-obama-how-to-shut-down-radical-islam-entirely/
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August 5, 2015 12:18pm
Shawn Herles

This from a hard Left source, Mother Jones:

“The White House Broke Its Promise to the Victims of the First Fort Hood Shooting. Will History Repeat Itself?”

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/how-white-house-military-failed-fort-hood-victims

Yes it will. Obama does not give a shit about the victims of Islamic terrorists or illegal immigrant criminals. He stands with Islam and criminals.
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August 5, 2015 12:21pm
Shawn Herles

The Problem with Liberalism

http://www.billoreilly.com/b/The-Problem-with-Liberalism/-413044328694732867.html
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August 5, 2015 12:22pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, from your “outstanding link this piece of utter crap,

http://dcgazette.com/watch-hillary-clinton-supporters-on-repealing-the-bill-of-rights/

I of course am not surprised that your far right will do anything to lie themselves backing into office 2016 !

And your hang up with Liberalism that gave us e.g the abolition of slavery , ,, universal franchise , end to child labour,factory safety laws etc, etc

Trump , Cruz etc want to roll these all back ?
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August 5, 2015 12:23pm
Shawn Herles

Black Democrat Politician Speaks Truth – Planned Parenthood is RACIST!

http://eaglerising.com/21752/black-democrat-politician-speaks-truth-planned-parenthood-is-racist/#iVZ7r50rxPI4fOV1.99

The Real Racist History of Planned Parenthood

“In both word and deed, there has never been a more successful racist in America than Margaret Sanger and the Planned Parenthood she gave birth to. Her group’s systematic extermination of black America isn’t some random coincidence, but rather a well-coordinated plot.

Since 1973, Planned Parenthood has helped execute 13 million black babies before they were born. That’s more than 20 times the total number of Union soldiers the racist Confederate army killed, wounded or captured during the entire Civil War. If the carcasses of all the black babies Planned Parenthood has killed and dismembered were its own state, it would be the 5th-most populous state in the nation.”

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/the-real-racist-history-of-planned-parenthood
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August 5, 2015 12:26pm
Manolo

Please stephieboy – do your bit to make a real reduction in CO2 output. Hold your breath for the next three or four decades.

I wouldn’t be that ambitious.
stephieboy, just stop breathing for ten minutes!
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August 5, 2015 12:29pm
Shawn Herles

And stpehie stands shoulder to shoulder with the racist Planned Parenthood’s plan to exterminate African Americans.

Will you be joining the KKK as well stephieboy?
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August 5, 2015 12:29pm
kowtow

Good news for the export economy.

“De Longis, whose company manages $233 billion, projected the Canadian dollar will weaken 14 percent in the next one to three years. He estimated the Aussie will fall in the same timeframe to 60 cents per U.S. dollar and the kiwi to drop to 50 cents.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/the-devastation-in-global-commodity-currencies-is-far-from-over
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August 5, 2015 12:31pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles ,

Another myth that has percolated on conservative right wing Christian websites, blogs etc in the US is that the Crusades were a “defensive” undertaking and the idea it was aggressive is “ unhistorical “ . According to former Presidential candidate Rick Santaorum , “a fabrication of the left,a group defined by its hatred for Christendom and for Western Civilisation.

The link below dispels and rejects this kind of conservative rhetoric and pseudo history with a more complex reality . The facts are the crusaders themselves did not view their actions as “ defensive “ subsequent to Pope Urban II thundering from his pulpit in 1095,

“The crusaders had one goal in 1096: to capture the Holy Sepulcher, the tomb of Christ, in Jerusalem. Christianity at this time was less about ideas and more about things–places, objects and bones. The highest devotional practice was the pilgrimage, a journey to a holy site, to pray before the body of a saint. The model saint whom all others imitated was Christ, and His tomb was the most sacred one imaginable even though, unlike other saints’ shrines, Christ’s was empty.

The First Crusade, then, was not about turning back centuries of Muslim expansion. It was about seizing control of sacred landscapes. It was, in modern parlance, “a war of choice” or “an act of aggression.” On July 15, 1099, this wilfully chosen campaign ended victoriously when the crusaders conquered Jerusalem….”

Sure as the link continues ,after the capture of Jerusalem they subsequent crusades were largely defensive ,but only in the sense of trying to keep what they had conquered and certainly not the conquest , pillaging and plundering of Constantinenoble in 1204 . This act of sacrilegious vandalism severely weakened the Byzantine State and Eastern Orthodox Church.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-rubenstein/myths-about-crusade-myths_b_1031722.html
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August 5, 2015 12:36pm
sam green

@starboard

“Classy eh..sexually assaulting a 71 year old lady. What a fuckin scumbag. Bids on , I wonder what ‘variety’ he is..”

I suspect he was of the male variety.
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August 5, 2015 12:37pm
kowtow

scott

Domestic violence and marriage. You’ve nailed it. And domestic violence and child abuse will only get worse as the cultural marxists succeed in destroying the family and marriage .And the state will respond with even more laws to pretend to address the issues which of course they can’t.

The far left so called anti smacking bill is a good example . pretend to address the appalling child murder rates we have but creates division in the family and criminalisation of good people. And has it done any good?
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August 5, 2015 12:40pm
cas

Living in a rural area 5 hours drive from Auckland and on rural delivery , we don’t get much junk mail so it was a very great surprise to pick up the mail this morning and see that Colin Craig’s pamphlet has managed to get down to the sticks. Just in time – after the rain there are a few frosts predicted so we need stuff with which to light the fire.
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August 5, 2015 12:40pm
Scott

Interesting comments from stephieboy about the Crusades. The facts are that the Muslims were harassing and killing pilgrims to Jerusalem at the time. They also took action to destroy the tomb of Jesus, the holy Sepulchre. This was important because in those days holy sites and particularly the site of the tomb of Jesus were at the centre of the religious practice of Christians.

So the Pope was calling for a crusade to aid the pilgrims so they could travel to Jerusalem safely and also to take over Jerusalem so they could restore the holy sites. So the Crusade was a response to Muslim aggression, which unfortunately stephieboy has omitted to describe.
For further information check out this site -http://churchoftheholysepulchre.net/
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August 5, 2015 12:45pm
kowtow

“Saladin picked his way adroitly through this deadly game. Man brings him at last to his great victory in 1187 at Hattin, and its aftermath, when he beheaded the rogue knight Reynald of Châtillon with his own hands and ordered the execution of 200 more. (This early champion of a pan-Islamic state based on Syria and Iraq seemed to his European contemporaries the very flower of chivalry, but he decapitated helpless prisoners as ruthlessly as his successors in Isis do now.) And so to Jerusalem. Saladin had announced that he would take it by the sword: “The men I will slaughter, and the women I will make slaves.” But he changed his mind. He needed money more than blood. He allowed Christians to buy their freedom, and so his reputation for mercy was formed.”

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/genghis-and-saladin-men-who-invented-global-terror

In fact the women of Jerusalem who could not be ransomed were turned into sex slaves. Muslim apologists always ignore that fact of history. Saladin the Merciful is yet another created myth.
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August 5, 2015 12:49pm
Left Right and Centre

Aotearoa-NZ; Aorangi-Mt Cook; Mt Egmont-Taranaki . . .
Tauranga-??; Rotorua-??; Whangerei-?? Nah – sweet as.
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August 5, 2015 12:50pm
kowtow

Cultural marxists and other rabid anti Christians always blame the great Pope urban for starting those wars ,in fact the west was responding to the invitation from the Emperor in Constantinople for help.

We’re often taught significant dates in history ,but in the context of the modern Near and middle East perhaps this is the most important.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert
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August 5, 2015 12:53pm
Dennis Horne

Shawn Herles August 5 12:21pm. Obama does not give a shit about the victims of Islamic terrorists or illegal immigrant criminals. He stands with Islam and criminals.

Are you sure Kiwiblog-style group therapy is right for you? Telling us how you feel is good but is it enough?
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August 5, 2015 1:01pm
stephieboy

Scott, one thing is for sure that in 1089, the crusaders after laying siege to Jerusalem conducted an unprecedented act of wanton massacre of it’s inhabitants . The debate as here whether it was out of religious zealotry or an act of cold blood -ethnic cleansing ? A combination of both more likely .

http://www.medievalists.net/2011/01/14/crusaders-massacre-of-jerusalem-was-done-in-cold-blood-not-religious-frenzy-historian-argues/

There is no evidence that the Christian and Jewish population were subject to murder, massacre and casual brutalities , The first crusade was not a rescue operation but a prime aim to capture the Holy Sepulcher, the tomb of Christ..

Kowtow,. again spending misinformation and lies about the Crusades. You might like to explain there crusaders sacking and plundering of Coinstantinenoble 1204
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August 5, 2015 1:02pm
Chuck Bird

She will probably get PD.

Mother admits selling daughter, 14, for sex
IAN STEWARD

August 5 2015

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70849424/mother-admits-selling-daughter-14-for-sex
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August 5, 2015 1:24pm
Nigel Kearney

What do the Crusades have to do with anything today?

Expansion of territory was considered normal at the time and there is little point in judging that by today’s standards. The Turks were not going to stop trying to expand westward so there had a to be a fight sooner or later. Massacre of civilians was by no means unprecedented though the Muslims generally preferred to sell their captives into slavery.

From about 1500 onwards, Europe moved ahead of the rest of the world due to a range of factors, but mostly due to governments encouraging trade, competition and science against the wishes of religious leaders. Whereas in China and the Muslim world governments and religious leaders worked together to prevent progress.

Prior to 1500, there was nothing particularly civilized about Christian societies compared to Muslim or Chinese ones. Surely the superiority of Christian societies over Muslim ones today is self-evident without trying to defend what happened in the middle ages.
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August 5, 2015 1:27pm
kowtow

You might like to explain there crusaders sacking and plundering of Coinstantinenoble 1204

Simple. Historic rivalry between Venice and Constantinople. No big deal. All part of regular European politics.
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August 5, 2015 1:33pm
Ryan Sproull

To those of you who deny life begins with human DNA – What qualifies you to say that? It’s a belief – that’s all. And the belief may be wrong. Meantime, millions of potential human beings have been destroyed and if you voice objection then you are declaring war on women. Just ask Hillary Clinton.

Wait, Mr O’Reilly, does life begin with “human DNA” or is it millions of potential human beings being destroyed? Are they actual or potential?
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August 5, 2015 1:37pm
stephieboy

kowtow, simple rivalry between Venice and Constantinenoble ? You mean under the Ottomans which was a a major feature of major trade and political rivalry and a very big deal !especially when the Ottomans conquered the Byzantine capital in 1453 and Empire shortly after ,

http://www.historytoday.com/geoffrey-woodward/ottomans-europe

Nigel Kearney, a key tot he wests success cf to the Muslim world was neutralising the power of the church ,notably the Papacy !
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August 5, 2015 1:47pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70849424/mother-admits-selling-daughter-14-for-sex
There’s more where that came from as Auckland families struggle to meet rent or mortgage payments I’m afraid . . .
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August 5, 2015 1:49pm
Hugh Pavletich

Montgomery: Iron Ore going to $10 … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia http://www.macrobusiness.com.au

Via … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/08/montgomery-iron-ore-going-to-10/ … behind subscription wall …

In the studio with Roger Montgomery – The Business – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-04/in-the-studio-with-roger-montgomery/6672450

Chinese property not for the faint hearted – The Business – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-04/chinese-property-not-for-the-faint-hearted/6672448

… and soft commodities … Milk …

NZ milk crash goes from bad to worse – MacroBusiness

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/08/nz-commodities-crash-goes-from-bad-to-worse/

… and further, with last night’s Global Dairy Auction … down 9.3% overall …

Home » GlobalDairyTrade

https://www.globaldairytrade.info/

https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/
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August 5, 2015 1:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

IS THE PRESS INTERESTED IN SURVIVAL BY BEING RELEVANT ?

From: Hugh Pavletich [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2015 1:39 a.m.

To: Kamala Hayman (CPL)
Cc: [email protected]; David Killick; John McCrone (CPL); Liz McDonald ([email protected]); Lois Cairns (CPL); [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: IS THE PRESS INTERESTED IN SURVIVAL BY BEING RELEVENT ?

Gerry Brownlee leaps to councillors’ defence | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/70820947/gerry-brownlee-leaps-to-councillors-defence

Dear Kamala and team …

Like Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlee ( Old Bruiser very often an adversary of mine), I view this assessment of CCC Councillors a complete botch. Even the article titles miss the mark.

The major reason for this, I think, is because The Press assessment exercise is not issues focused.

As I see it … the key issue is …

… how are the CCC elected representatives performing, in leading the changes required, so the organisation is in a fit shape to assume its responsibilities and restore confidence ?

The most helpful aspect of the earthquakes, is that they showed up clearly just how dysfunctional the Christchurch City Council is.

Some of us … just some of us … were well aware of this since the early 1990’s.

The result has been that what should have been about a $20 billion exercise, will blow out to in excess of $46 billion (and it won’t stop there … to say nothing of the unnecessary heartache involved as well) … for the reasons outlined within an Interest Co NZ article I wrote way back in the very early stages of June 2011 …

OPINION: Hugh Pavletich accuses Christchurch City Council of blindness, blunders and chain dragging; calls for effective leadership, ‘open land’ policy and bendy zoning. Your view? | interest.co.nz

The trail of recent emails below may be of some assistance too.

As the lead independent advocate on essential and long-overdue housing / local government reform issues, in all fake humility, I think I have been in large measure proven correct.

Former politician and lawyer Stephen Franks touched on these matters within an article back in February …

StephenFranks.co.nz » Blog Archive » Banal business naivete on politics (and the RMA and Councils)

Now … I’m not going to tell you how to do your job.

Whether The Press is interested in survival, by being relevant, is up to you guys. I sincerely hope this happens.

With best regards to you all,
Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Performance_Urban_Planning & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Demographia
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August 5, 2015 2:00pm
Biscuit

Anyone been following the ongoing story (a real indictment on the ‘average’ Australian) about the abuse an AFL player of aborigine-origins by the name of Adam Goodes has been copping?

Goodes is 35 and has been a dual Brownlow Medallist (think ‘Best and Fairest’ in the comp), a dual premiership player, a four-time All-Australian, was named a member of the Indigenous Team of the Century and has represented Australia in the International Rules Series.

Wikipedia writes:

‘In an essay titled “The Indigenous Game: A Matter of Choice”, published in the 2008 AFL history book The Australian Game of Football Since 1858, Goodes writes of the ancient Aboriginal game, Marngrook, and its theorised link to the origins of Australian rules football: “I don’t know the truth, but I believe in the connection. Because I know that when Aborigines play Australian Football with a clear mind and total focus, we are born to play it.” Controversy erupted when, during an appearance on The Marngrook Footy Show, AFL historian Gillian Hibbins called Goodes a “racist”, adding: “If you define racism as believing a race is superior in something, this is basically what he [Goodes] was doing.”
On 24 May 2013, during the AFL’s annual Indigenous Round, a 13-year-old Collingwood supporter called Goodes an “ape”. Upon hearing the abuse, Goodes pointed the girl out to security and had her ejected from the stadium. After the game, Collingwood president Eddie McGuire apologised to Goodes on behalf of the club. McGuire said that Collingwood had a zero tolerance policy towards racism, but also said that the girl, who later apologised to Goodes, did not know that what she had said was a racial slur. Goodes said that he was “gutted” and that he had “never been more hurt”.
Over the following years, and particularly in 2015, Goodes was repeatedly and loudly booed by opposition fans at most matches. The motivation for and acceptability of the booing generated wide public debate, which dominated media coverage from both sports and political commentators for weeks at a time during the year, and even drew comment from the Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abbott. Many considered the booing to be unacceptable and motivated by racism—either through a dislike of his inherent aboriginality, or because those booing were affronted by the strong political positions Goodes had taken on racial issues – and called on the AFL to take direct action to stop it. Others considered the booing acceptable as a show of disapproval for Goodes’ actions – including a perception that his approach in dealing with the Collingwood fan who called him an ape was heavy-handed, and for statements he had made during his time as Australian of the Year which had been seen to denigrate the history of European settlement in Australia – and defended the rights of fans to continue booing.
During a match against Carlton in May 2015, Goodes celebrated a goal by performing an indigenous war dance in which he mimed throwing a spear at the Carlton cheer squad. Goodes said after the incident that the dance was based on one he learned from under-16s indigenous team the Flying Boomerangs, and that it was intended as a symbol of indigenous pride during Indigenous Round, not as a means of offending or intimidating the crowd. However, many spectators were offended by the aggressive nature of the spear-throwing gesture or considered it retaliatory against the booing he had received in previous weeks, and it was criticised by many commentators for being inflammatory to the situation which had received particularly wide media coverage during the previous week. The booing of Goodes intensified in the months after the war dance.
Owing to the stress caused by the booing and attention, Goodes took leave from the game in August 2015. Many clubs and players in the AFL supported Goodes in the first week of his leave by wearing indigenous-themed guernseys or armbands, and a video was prepared by the eighteen club captains to discourage the crowd from booing.’

Me, I am just imagining Phil Twyford and Andrew Little…

Angry Andy: ‘What’s all the fuss about?’
Pathetic Phil: ‘No idea, boss. It’s not as if Goodes is an Aboriginal-sounding name…’
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August 5, 2015 2:58pm
dime

lol @ whale oil. begging for money again.

he doesnt even do it himself. he gets Pete to write a love letter. freaking hilarious.

but a bunch will cough up money.. maybe they can buy their way out of a ban.. most banned for using the same language WO uses everyday on the site.
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August 5, 2015 3:01pm
Manolo

The only problem with the Crusades is that were not enough of them!
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August 5, 2015 3:02pm
Scott

Replying to Stephieboy at 1:02 p.m. “There is no evidence that the Christian and Jewish population were subject to murder, massacre and casual brutalities , The first crusade was not a rescue operation but a prime aim to capture the Holy Sepulcher, the tomb of Christ..”

The great thing about the Internet is that you can say what you like whether or not it has any truth to it. There is heaps of evidence and the historians I read while doing a paper on the Crusades this year at Massey University are in agreement that pilgrimage to Jerusalem was very dangerous and many were getting harassed and even murdered on the way.

The by now Turkish rulers of the area persecuted Christian pilgrims who were also harassed by local villagers and bandits. This meant that only very well armed parties of pilgrims were able to actually make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Others were turned back. Rodney Stark “God’s Battalions”.

In regard to your 2nd point the Crusade was to recapture the holy Sepulchre because it was being destroyed by the Muslims.
“In 1009 the holy Sepulchre had been vandalised on the orders of the Fatamid caliph Hakim. The tomb had been levelled almost to the ground so that only the floor and the lower parts of the wall survived”. Jonathan Riley Smith – The Crusades: A History.
Regrettably the Muslims of yesteryear were just as likely to destroy religious monuments they did not approve of as are the Muslims of today.

With regard to the crusaders laying siege to Jerusalem and massacring its inhabitants that’s probably true, though stories of blood up to the bridles of the horses is probably an exaggeration and reflects biblical apocalyptic imagery rather than the facts. However it must be said that according to the rules of the time cities who did not surrender when faced by an opposing army were liable to have their inhabitants massacred as a deterrent to other cities. Cities who surrendered rather than necessitating a long siege were likely to have their inhabitants spared. Those were the brutal rules of the time, unfortunate though they may be.
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August 5, 2015 3:10pm
Scott

While on the subject of family violence-

“Obscured in the public conversation about the violence against women is the fact that some other men are more likely to protect women, directly and indirectly, from the threat of male violence: married biological fathers. The bottom line is this: Married women are notably safer than their unmarried peers, and girls raised in a home with their married father are markedly less likely to be abused or assaulted than children living without their own father.
….Marriage is no panacea when it comes to male violence. But married fathers are much less likely to resort to violence than men who are not tied by marriage or biology to a female. And, most fundamentally, for the girls and women in their lives, married fathers provide direct protection by watching out for the physical welfare of their wives and daughters, and indirect protection by increasing the odds they live in safe homes and are not exposed to men likely to pose a threat.”

The Washington Post 10 June 2014
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August 5, 2015 3:13pm
SGA

The only problem with the Crusades is that were not enough of them!

Really, why? While those to the middle east had some victories, I had the impression that overall they were far from overwhelming successes.
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August 5, 2015 3:32pm
stephieboy

Manolo and Scott, as regards the The Crusades especially 9/11 and the war on terror its not easy to look back at the Crusades with some objectivity and an impartial regard to the facts . A lot of fear and prejudice has been whipped especially in Conservative American Christian University’s and colleges etc that has caused a revisionist approach to the Crusades and not with due regard to objectivity and the facts . hence this simplistic interpretation of them been a defensive operation in favour of the key players like Pope ran II.

The following thesis by the Theology student does to appear to have a due regard scholarly to the facts of history without pushing any ideological agenda both left or right , c.f “God’s Battalions” by Rod Stark . BTW a sociologist and not a Historian ,

http://uir.unisa.ac.za/bitstream/handle/10500/13767/dissertation_theron_j.pdf?sequence=1

I was not aware that the Seljuk Turks were anywhere near the Holy lands during the first crusade ?

Manolo,

“The only problem with the Crusades is that were not enough of them!” ?Just shows how besotted you are with mindless prejudice !
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August 5, 2015 4:03pm
Manolo

The Queen under scrutiny, according to The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-looks-into-security-of-clintons-private-e-mail-setup/2015/08/04/2bdd85ec-3aae-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html

The FBI has begun looking into the security of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private e-mail setup, contacting in the past week a Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the unusual system, according to two government officials.
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August 5, 2015 4:39pm
stigie

The bitterness and vitriol towards Sir Peter Talley and the Talley Group at the Stranded is astounding. They want people to refrain from buying their products in a post called the “Talley Ban”.
Reminds me a while back Darien Fenton wanting people to blacklist all of the Mad Butcher shops because Sir Peter Leitch endorsed the Prime Minister FFS !~
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August 5, 2015 4:44pm
Manolo

@stigie: These people at The sub-Standard are losers in life, bastards who have never accomplished anything, and who take pleasure in attacking successful people like Sir Peter Talley.
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August 5, 2015 4:46pm
Scott

stephieboy- you would do well to read your own sources my dear chap-

“True, the Muslim expansion was a reality, and
during the late eleventh century the Seljuk Turks were pressing westwards conquering
Palestine, Syria and Anatolia, which placed them within striking distance of
Constantinople itself (Tyerman 2006:11,12). This imminent threat on the Byzantine
Empire, prompted the emperor, Alexius Comnenus, to appeal to Western Europe for
military assistance (Bartlett 1999:5).”

“Although Pope Urban apparently had a genuine desire to defend Christianity against a
Muslim onslaught..”

So yes the crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. And Rodney Stark is a sociologist and an historian but the quote from him is uncontroversial- Christian pilgrims were being harassed and murdered and prevented from getting to the Holy Land by the Muslims.
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August 5, 2015 4:48pm
deadrightkev

Slater has so many posts on WO about Colin Craig of late its getting embarrassing.

For someone that is not worried about Craig’s legal challenge Slater is doing a lot of attacking. I wonder if anyone has told him that his unrelenting personal attacks on Craig are unlikely to help his cause?

Dime

I once considered giving Slater a donation but then I found out he wasn’t an independent blogger. Then came dirty politics and I bet most of his donors or advertisers have gone too.
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August 5, 2015 4:58pm
Viking2

Late Night Vet Call.

A dog lover, whose dog was a female and “in heat,” agreed to look after her neighbour’s male dog while the neighbour was on vacation.

She had a large house and she believed that she could keep the two dogs apart. However, as she was drifting off to sleep, she heard awful howling and moaning sounds.

She rushed downstairs and found the dogs locked together and unable to disengage, as frequently happens when dogs mate.

Unable to separate them, and perplexed as to what to do next, and although it was very late at night, she called her vet, who answered in a
very grumpy voice. After she explained the problem to him, the vet said, “Hang up the phone and place it down alongside the dogs. I will then call you back and
the noise of the ringing will make the male lose his erection and he will be able to withdraw.”
“Do you think that will work?” she asked.
“Just worked for me,” he replied.
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August 5, 2015 5:06pm
mikenmild

The crusades were not really n response to ‘Muslim aggression’. At the time of the First Crusade, Jerusalem had been under Muslim rule for centuries.
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August 5, 2015 5:12pm
stephieboy

Scott , old son am not sure if we are referring to the same document , but we have this here ,

4.2 The ideology surrounding the First Crusade p 31 – 32

“…It is therefore of vital importance to investigate firstly the thinking of the people during the crusades, and secondly the thinking of later generations concerning the crusades. It should also be noted that the focus will mostly be on the thinking of those in the Latin West, since this is where the idea of crusade originated (Lock 2006:299). The crusade as practised by the West with a combination of pilgrimage, penance and holy war was completely foreign to the thinking of the Christians in Byzantium who considered defensive wars necessary but regrettable (Lock 2006:299).

4.2.1 Violence

As pointed out in the previous chapter, Christian thought developed from pacifism to just war to holy war during the centuries leading up to the First Crusade. Already in the ninth century, Pope Leo IV, declared that if a man were killed in battle while defending the Church, he would receive a reward in heaven (Bartlett 1999:11). Others after him went even further, declaring that those dying for such a cause should have all their sins remitted (Bartlett 1999:11). It was also during the ninth century that Charlemagne converted pagans by the power of the sword, making violence into a method for mission acceptable to the Christian community (Pillay & Hofmeyr 1991:91).

According to Madden (2002:71), no crusade would be possible without the eleventh century ‘revolution in Church thinking’ concerning violence. It was during this century that holy war became part of the papal programme (Tyerman 2006:47). The association of the papacy with holy war was first made clear with the Civitate campaign of Pope Leo IX in 1053 (Madden 2002:72). During this campaign the papacy could not secure imperial aid against Norman counts in southern Italy, so Pope Leo recruited German soldiers and personally led them against the Normans (Madden 2002:72). Although Pope Leo maintained that he raised this army ‘to compel the Normans to submit without shedding blood’, the outcome was a battle in which the papal troops ‘suffered a decisive defeat and Leo was captured’ (Madden 2002:72).

During the eleventh century, the Church’s policy resulted in the directing of aggression towards non-Christian enemies (Bartlett 1999:11). Gregory VII, the most militant of the reforming popes (associating with holy war) attempted to recruit knights from across
Europe to form a papal army to fight for papal interests (Tyerman 2006:47). Gregory ‘significantly developed the theory and practice of holy war and holy warriors’ (Tyerman 2006:47). One of his favourite scriptural quotations was Jeremiah 48:10 – ‘…and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed’ (Tyerman 2006:47). Gregory VII also granted spiritual rewards on several occasions to those who took up arms for his cause (Madden2002:74). …”

BTW, the expansion of the Seljuk Turks was not an exclusive concern to the Western Christians and Byzantines but to other Muslims as well .
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August 5, 2015 5:24pm
stigie

Anyone out there know when the 2 storey hovel in Kingsland will be auctioned ?
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August 5, 2015 5:45pm
Fletch

The Crusades were totally a response to Muslim aggression. Mohammed was a warlord who forced his ideology (I won’t call it a religion) on others by force, slaughtering Jews, Christians, and anyone else who didn’t convert to Islam. Even after he died his followers conquered North Africa, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Spain, and on and on. They were only stopped by the Crusades. They did this from the year 630 until the present day.

Here’s a timeline.

The Timeline

630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting ‘agreements’ from northern tribes. They could enjoy the ‘privilege’ of living under Islamic ‘protection’ (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).

This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: ‘The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.’ To this Khalid retorts: ‘How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many’ (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: ‘[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists’ (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine).

634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.

705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids

756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia

807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country

831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy

850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France

869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia

928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti—Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo

c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids

1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al—Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca

1090—1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands

1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970

1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.
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August 5, 2015 5:55pm
nasska

Nookin & Nostra gave us a pretty good rundown of the situation the other night stigie. Apparently the process is not dissimilar to the making of good cheese…..time is of the essence.

Meanwhile construction of her new residence is under way. 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/twmfngxrornldtv/Waterwoman%2011.jpg?dl=0
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August 5, 2015 5:57pm
mikenmild

So your theory, Fletch, is that Christendom patiently put up with all this Muslim aggression for four and a half centuries and then finally, reluctantly no doubt, decided that Palestine needed to be reconquered?
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August 5, 2015 5:59pm
nasska

….”Here’s a timeline. “….

More like a pre crapped toilet roll of cut & pasted waffle!
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August 5, 2015 6:01pm
Reid

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/02/the-company-getting-rich-off-of-the-isis-war.html

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/08/03/washingtons-fifth-columns-inside-russia-china-paul-craig-roberts/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-eu-ukraine-association-agreement-and-the-upcoming-war/5466573

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Top-WSJ-Editor-Plots-with-Pro-Israel-Group-to-Thwart-Iran-Deal-20150731-0030.html

http://www.rt.com/news/311372-universal-battle-robotic-platform/
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August 5, 2015 6:07pm
mikenmild

Want to sum any of that up for us who don’t feel like wading through multiple links?
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August 5, 2015 6:12pm
stephieboy

Fletch, it would be helpful if you sourced your time line ?
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August 5, 2015 6:12pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/woy63n7uzfi4f24/Jenner.jpg?dl=0
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August 5, 2015 6:15pm
stigie

“Meanwhile construction of her new residence is under way.”

By looking at her new residence Nasska, she will be free of a resource consent and rates ? Huge savings !~
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August 5, 2015 6:16pm
SGA

Fletch 2015 at 5:55 pm

Mohammed was a warlord who forced his ideology (I won’t call it a religion) on others by force, slaughtering Jews, Christians, and anyone else who didn’t convert to Islam.

I was having a quick look at info about the crusades earlier – one thing I hadn’t realised was that European Jews got massacred from time to time as part of the crusade process as well.
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August 5, 2015 6:19pm
Reid

http://viewsandpreviews.com/the-great-unraveling/
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August 5, 2015 6:24pm
Reid

Another Windows 10 crap feature. By default it shares all your wifi passwords with any old one.

That’s right.

And naturally the default is a bitch to find and disable.

http://reviews.gizmodo.com/why-the-hell-is-windows-10-sharing-my-wi-fi-passwords-1719900675
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August 5, 2015 6:42pm
Fletch

Check out The Legacy of Jihad, By Andrew G Bostom, and Jihad in the West: Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries, by Paul Fregosi.
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August 5, 2015 6:46pm
Fletch

Another Windows 10 crap feature.

Be sure to disable the keyloggers etc.

Windows 10 defaults to keylogging, harvesting browser history, purchases, and covert listening

By default, Microsoft gets to see your location, keystrokes and browser history — and listen to your microphone, and some of that stuff is shared with “trusted [by Microsoft, not by you] partners.”
You can turn this all off, of course, by digging through screen after screen of “privacy” dashboards, navigating the welter of tickboxes that serve the same purposes as all those clean, ration-seeming lines on the craps table: to complexify the proposition so you can’t figure out if the odds are in your favor.

http://boingboing.net/2015/08/03/windows-10-defaults-to-keylogg.html

http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/
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August 5, 2015 6:50pm
AgentBallSack

Carrying on the theme of another post, Should the police have secretly warned the jury Bob Schollum was already serving a sentence of imprisonment for rape? Or is it only acceptable to breach the privacy act when it doesn’t involve ex police officers.
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August 5, 2015 7:00pm
wikiriwhis business

NRT: 43,000 unemployed under National

The latest Household Labour Force Survey was released today, showing that despite Treasury projections of a fall, unemployment had risen for the second quarter in a row. There are now 148,000 people unemployed, 43,000 more since Nationa has taken office

So much for the “recovery” – unemployment bottomed out at 5.5% in September last year, and is now going back up, so it doesn’t look like we’ll be seeing kiwis back in jobs anytime soon. Instead, unemployment seems to be structurally a full 2% higher under National than under Labour. Which is 40,000 more people out of work, their families scraping to get by on a pittance. As for National’s “something special”, we blinked and missed it. Unless you’re a rich MP owning multiple houses in Auckland, of course, in which case you’re rolling in it while the peasants starve…

http://thestandard.org.nz/nrt-43000-unemployed-under-national/
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August 5, 2015 7:01pm
AgentBallSack

Slaters crusade against Colin Craig is a fucking joke. Even his loyal readers don’t seem to be enthusiastic about donating money. But since 99% of the blog is written by Pete Belt is it any wonder readership and interest has declined.
Karmas definitely a bitch when you have slagged off, maligned and lied about just about everyone in New Zealand.

On the “about” page he is still using the numbers from September last year as his ‘readership’ figures.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/whaleoil-numbers/

Real readership is about a million eyeballs a month, mostly sycophants and declining.
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August 5, 2015 7:06pm
Manolo

A scientific triumph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11783399/Amazing-picture-of-Earth-beamed-back-from-new-weather-satellite.html

The new satellite will send back images of the Earth’s surface and atmosphere in 12 different wavelengths once every 15 minutes when operational.
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August 5, 2015 7:10pm
AgentBallSack

If you beat your kids and your wife because you’re an asshole but get name suppression to protect your kids, how does that save one future beaten woman?

Breach of name suppression, perverting the course of justice, offences against the privacy act. Well done Amy Adams.
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August 5, 2015 7:22pm
EAD

Reid,

Your views and previews article was an excellent read. The problem the likes of you and I have is that in explaining what we see is that most people are only able to see events in isolation. “The dumbing down” of education has been evident in NZ since the 1990s and in America long before then. Most people will debate though the individual merits of NCEA or charter schools or comment on school leavers rudimentary grasp of English and Maths. Few see the long term trend and to recognise it is deliberate because to do so would shatter their faith in the system and our rulers who are supposed to act in our best interests.

The other thing most fail to grasp is that we have in fact become a 1 parry state adopting the same socially destructive policies AS EVERY SINGLE WESTERN COUNTRY but when you point this out, most people retreat back to the left vs. right politics they imagine rules the world.

Reminds me of the great quote by Nietsche – “insanity in individuals is rare, in Nations it is the norm”
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August 5, 2015 7:24pm
mikenmild

Reid
Your views and previews article was a load of bullshit. The problem the likes of you and EAD have is that in explaining your insane conspiracy theories most people are able to see events as a totality. Luckily, most people have sufficient education and insight to see through your codswallop.
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August 5, 2015 7:29pm
nasska

AgentBallSack

The legislation regarding name suppression needs to be taken apart, scrutinised & rewritten. As it stands it protects violent & sexual offenders far more than the victims who at very least deserve to have final say on whether it needs to be granted.

I note that in the USA court ordered name suppression is unknown yet the sky stays firmly in its place.
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August 5, 2015 7:33pm
EAD

Mike – the problem you have is you believe what you are told and have utmost faith in the benevolence and wisdom of a central ruling power called “The State”

Given that they give you a paycheck and you attend their propaganda workshops as part of your conditions of employment this does not surprise me.

As such, debating such profound matters with yourself is about as stimulating as banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall.
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August 5, 2015 7:36pm
AgentBallSack

nasska I agree with the American form of naming the offender but not the victim. We are sadly lacking in that area. I for one would welcome all sex offenders being named but with MAJOR suppression orders surrounding the nature of the relationship to the victim.

As it stands now, the law is an ass.
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August 5, 2015 7:38pm
SPC

Re the Crusades, both Jews and Moslems died at Jerusalem when the crusaders arrived. Theocracy ruins places when it arrives. Christian or Moslem or Jewish.
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August 5, 2015 7:43pm
nasska

There’s another aspect worth looking at ABS. As such offenses can absolutely wreck a person’s reputation regardless of whether they are actually found guilty there’s a good argument for automatic suppression up until when or if they are convicted.

On conviction they get named…..no exceptions.
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August 5, 2015 7:44pm
AgentBallSack

How to opt out of Windows 10 spylogging, distributed service and wifi sharing:
Don’t fucking install it.
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August 5, 2015 7:44pm
mikenmild

EAD
It may surprise you to learn that I do not attend any ‘propaganda workshops’. I have been exposed to many bullshit ideas during my long working life, but for a sustained flow of nonsense there is no more reliable source than some of the regular Kiwiblog commenters.
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August 5, 2015 7:45pm
AgentBallSack

I agree nasska.

I am not against it per se, our laws need to be updated to account for the crimes that are insidious. We need to punish the offenders. But how many times do we see a case where some dirty scumbag has their name protected to protect others? How do we as parents, safeguard our children against those offenders? This is where Ms Adams has let down caring trustworthy males to focus specifically on ‘protecting women’. Most offenses should be publicly accountable not just ‘save the woman week’.
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August 5, 2015 7:50pm
stephieboy

Reid , re your Paul Craig Roberts link,

He typically fails dismally to provide any form of independent and corroborating evidence to support his assertions about US and Western perfidy in the Ukraine against Russia.

All we get is the same tiresome paper trail that take us back to the Kremlin >>> Global Research >>> Kremlin >>> etc, etc .

I guess the old fondness for the benign and cuddly ole Uncle Joe is still bewitching , alive and well !
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August 5, 2015 8:04pm
Reid

Sad isn’t it, EAD.

Their grandchildren are really going to curse them for being so profoundly stupid, at a time when the writing was clearly on the wall, a mere click away. How could you be so fucking stupid grandma and granddad, the kids are going to say.
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