General Debate 2 June 2016

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mikenmild

Blame it on the Ancient Polynesian Seafarers’ Union, burt. Gosh, you post some nonsense.
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June 2, 2016 1:48pm
Scott Hamilton

Excellent comment by Ed Snack on the possibility of pre-Maori inhabitants of NZ.

Burt still seems to be claiming that information on a pre-maori civilisation has been embargoed for seventy years. That conspiracy theory seems unkillable, even though the report in question’s been available since 1996 and can be accessed online.

I was thinking the other day about this fascinating find at Muriwai beach back in the 1920s. As much as I’d love to annoy the Celtic NZ crowd by creating a theory claiming that Australian Aboriginals got to NZ first, the curator’s interpretation of the find sounds pretty reasonable: http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=1338&page=0&action=searchresult&target=
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June 2, 2016 1:48pm
burt

Scott

That conspiracy theory seems unkillable, even though the report in question’s been available since 1996 and can be accessed online.

Link ?
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June 2, 2016 1:52pm
Stars And Stripes

Child dies suddenly at south Auckland property
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80672720/child-dies-suddenly-at-south-auckland-property

Call me judgemental if you like but this has all the hallmarks of another one for Duncan Garner to burst into tears over.
10 police cars and a South Auckland address which looks pretty rough.
Well I will get in first anyway and blame CYFS.
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June 2, 2016 1:52pm
Nigel Kearney

It’s irrelevant who was here first. Nobody should be treated differently because their ancestors arrived here before or after somebody else’s. Most of us can’t even legally live and work in the countries our ancestors lived in before anyone else.
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June 2, 2016 1:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

I wondered if one of you compassionate Auckland posters could pop over to Spray & Walk Away’s place and check if she’s OK?
Alex Masterly, you live quite close don’t you?
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June 2, 2016 1:59pm
Scott Hamilton

Go to these pages, Burt, to read Michael Taylor’s 1988 report on Waipoua Forest, along with numerous other reports on the forest and adjacent areas. Taylor’s report has also been in various libraries – the University of Auckland library, for example – for donkey’s years, and yet conspiracy theorists keep claiming it was suppressed because it described a vast stone city in the forest.
http://whangarei.m.recollect.co.nz/nodes/view/1505
http://whangarei.m.recollect.co.nz/nodes/view/1766
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June 2, 2016 2:02pm
Odakyu-sen

Nigel,

“Nobody should be treated differently because their ancestors arrived here before or after somebody else’s.” I agree.

There are vested interests in having certain groups be treated differently in terms of their parliamentary representation, taxation status of their assets, reserved jobs, space in the queue to acquire State assets, funding for their exclusive projects and so forth.

The downside of this protection is that it makes the receivers of the benefits weaker in the long term (as they don’t need to compete or be self-reliant) and fosters resentment among the rest of the population.
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June 2, 2016 2:07pm
Nostradamus

Captain Mainwaring:

The Public Watchdog has found a new home (if you’ll excuse the pun) at The Standard. She’s posted there today, yesterday, and the day before yesterday.

So, if you feel like torturing yourself, pop over to The Standard for a discussion with the clueless, the deluded and the downright loony!
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June 2, 2016 2:15pm
stephieboy

The gullibility of people like Burt has no bounds .There is zero evidence that Celtic or Greek white settlers predated the arrival of the Maori c 1350 AD.The idea of an ancient stone city in the Waipoua forest is laughable . The only recourse for those like Burt is to resort to a cover up or conspiracy theories which provides plenty of opportunities to keep shifting the goal posts of denial.
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June 2, 2016 2:41pm
alex Masterley

Captain Mainwaring,

While it could be said I live in reasonably close proximity to the watchdog, I can’t be arsed wandering over to her address for a gander. It is a bit out of the way.

Nostradamus

How long the standardistas will put up with her I don’t know. She will be back sooner or later like the proverbial…
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June 2, 2016 2:50pm
big bruv

I know I should not tempt fate by asking but……………….why has the non rate paying parasite stopped her contributions to this site?
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June 2, 2016 2:51pm
starboard

“I’m just wondering who might have settled New Zealand first. Was it the Greeks, Egyptians, Phoenicians or Celts?”

Well mm, we certainly know one thing..it wasn’t the murri..and if its ever questioned…out comes the ‘racist’ word, eh mm.
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June 2, 2016 3:01pm
AgentBallSack

I know I should not tempt fate by asking but……………….why has the non rate paying parasite stopped her contributions to this site?

Who cares?
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June 2, 2016 3:12pm
mikenmild

It always gives me a laugh we you confirm your complete ignorance, starboard.
Anyway, how was your euchre night at the Papanui RSA?
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June 2, 2016 3:14pm
Captain Mainwaring

@Nostradamus 2:15
“Captain Mainwaring:
The Public Watchdog has found a new home (if you’ll excuse the pun) at The Standard. She’s posted there today, yesterday, and the day before yesterday.”
……………………………………………………………………………………….
Bloody Hell. I went over there for about two minutes and it made me feel like committing suicide.
And that banner at the top of the page looks like something out of the 1830s.
Just like the mindset of most of the posters there.
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June 2, 2016 3:16pm
starboard

You’re such a card mm, a real wit, and about as appealing as a fart in a lift. Do you still wear platform shoes ?
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June 2, 2016 3:17pm
stephieboy

starboard , Greeks, Egyptians etc ? Please don’t forget your monthly check up with your local shrink !
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June 2, 2016 3:23pm
AgentBallSack

I know where the missing million votes are. It’s all those +1000s the Standaristas give each other when someone says something that gives them a hard on.
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June 2, 2016 3:29pm
starboard

Morning stiffybot..hows life at your Mt Eden villa? Have you managed to venture down to Mt Mogadishu ( formerly Mt Roskill ) lately?
Maybe you could pop in for a kebab on your daily trip to Countdown for your Pegasus Bay Chardonnay?
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June 2, 2016 3:33pm
AgentBallSack

Big bang in Auckland and a child dies. It wouldnt be people making P in State Houses now would it?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80672720/child-dies-suddenly-at-south-auckland-property
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June 2, 2016 3:57pm
AgentBallSack

The world is fucked.

An Auckland food court favoured by All Blacks and budget diners is set to close for good, despite a last-ditch effort to save it from demolition.

After 22 years, Mercury Plaza is set to make way for the underground Karangahape train station as part of the $2.5 billion City Rail Link.

The plaza, which features Asian cuisine and an Asian supermarket, has been a regular haunt for All Blacks including Richie McCaw and Sonny Bill Williams.

Bowl the fucking thing. It has a zomato rating of 3.5 FFS!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/80657751/aucklands-mercury-plaza-on-the-chopping-block-ahead-of-new-station-build
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June 2, 2016 4:06pm
Stars And Stripes

Ballsack- No P this time just a shotgun instead.
As I said blame CYFS for this one.
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June 2, 2016 4:08pm
AgentBallSack

Very sad for the family. A 2 year old girl died needlessly.
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June 2, 2016 4:20pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80672720/child-dies-suddenly-at-south-auckland-property

How fucking low can you go…shooting a 2 year old. We know don’t we, but we will turn another blind eye and add her to the list.
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June 2, 2016 4:26pm
Stars And Stripes

Ballsack – “Very sad for the family”

Yes but the shooter was the womens partner living at the house and no one at the address had a firearms licence and so on.
Been down this road a million times before and will go down it a million times more.
Same shit different day.
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June 2, 2016 4:35pm
starboard

Must share this with you

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1464165135

Thais love to point at things…

http://www.thaispointingatthings.com/
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June 2, 2016 4:54pm
Ed Snack

Mikenmild, I thought there was some evidence for significantly older contact via carbon dated polynesian rat bones, but I see that a more protracted study didn’t find sufficient evidence to support the initial datings. Looks like around AD1260-80 is the accepted earliest date from any official studies.

Conspiracy theorists would say that of course they would say that !

I’m open to the possibility but I’m also happy to accept the current generally accepted dates for first settlement with the proviso that I don’t think that establishes that there was no earlier settlement, only that we have no evidence of any. Absence of evidence is no evidence of absence as they say. And before stephieboy gets all huffy about it, that’s a scientific approach, a thousand studies showing nothing earlier than, say, 1250 can be overturned by a single verified study showing, say, 350 AD. But that’s pretty unlikely just on practical grounds and I doubt we’ll see such good contrary evidence, but I’d hate to see the end of being able to query any consensus with scientific evidence.
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June 2, 2016 5:03pm
Odakyu-sen

starboard,

We don’t know if the shooting was deliberate or an accident.

I would like to know if the shooter was simply negligent or had some substances in his bloodstream that would impair his judgement.
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June 2, 2016 5:05pm
mikenmild

Ed
Yes, indeed.
I’m quite interested in pseudohistory and the misuse or misreading of history.
The various whacky theories about NZ prehistory generally spring from set agendas – this has been the case right the way through from early nineteenth century attempts to explain how the Polynesians discovered and settled islands across such a cast expanse of ocean.
Scott Hamilton, in his comments here and on his own blog, has done quite a bit to show the neo-Nazi associations of some of the most vocal proponents of pre-Maori settlement.
We have an interesting enough history without jazzing it up with a babble of nonsensical theories.
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June 2, 2016 5:21pm
starboard

Odakyu-sen, unfortunately all facts so far point towards something sinister I’m afraid. Seen it all before.
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June 2, 2016 5:22pm
starboard

The truth is coming out mm, albeit slowly..but it will come. Maori were not here first.
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June 2, 2016 5:30pm
Don the Kiwi

Newt Gingrich quote:

“If Hillary wins the White House, it will be Obama plus Corruption.”

Absolutely correct.
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June 2, 2016 5:33pm
mikenmild

Who was, starboard? Answer in as much detail as you like and cite as many references as you need.
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June 2, 2016 5:38pm
starboard

Wait mm , wait…
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June 2, 2016 5:44pm
mikenmild

But you seem to have the answers already. Why are you so shy about sharing?
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June 2, 2016 5:52pm
Nostradamus

Mikenmild:

Who was, starboard?

Is this an appropriate moment to introduce Ugly Truth’s “hollow Earth” theory into this discussion?

The point you’re missing is that others live there [in the hollow Earth] – at least that’s the story from those who have come back. … If people were aware that there was an alternative society, then they would want to know how it differs from their local one, and they’re going to want to know why you’ve been lying to them about it.
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June 2, 2016 5:53pm
mikenmild

Yes, even nuttier. No word yet on what other crazy theories starboard endorses.
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June 2, 2016 6:04pm
Happychappy

I wonder if Andrew or Trev gave the Activist and Union Organiser a reference for the Judge when charged with child sex porn images in his possession.
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June 2, 2016 6:23pm
Reid

Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one, often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. ‘The CIA killed Hendrix’, ‘The Pope had John Lennon murdered’, ‘Hitler was half Werewolf’, ‘Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone’ etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.

So its hardly surprising that the events of September 11th, 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is – sadly – a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.

One of the wilder stories circulating about September 11th – and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs – is that it was carried out by nineteen fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they ‘hate our freedoms.’

Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.

Normally I don’t even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.

These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organising them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks – linked to the CIA – the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about nineteen Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer four planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly two hours, crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.

The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.

It’s difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog, they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as ‘the fruit loop’ and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (il)ogical conclusions.

According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, nineteen Arabs took over four planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns, knives, box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren’t any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID – but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities – they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

“Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?”

“A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get.”

“Very strange”, thinks the security officer, “that’s the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask…and why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess…”

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time , the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis. They will allege that the hijackers’ passports were found at the crash scenes. “So there!” they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.

Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, “who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!” And so the whole loop starts again. “Well, why aren’t they on the passenger lists?” “You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!” And so on…

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion, the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

“Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? “The answer of course is that its just one of those strange coincidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen.

This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The ‘improbability drive’, in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens – just about all the time in their world. There is a principle called ‘Occam’s razor’ which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam’s razor.

Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with the silly story of the nineteen invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.

Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that September 11th, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas – after they had attached their masks, obviously – but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.

So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of ‘our freedoms’, it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar – really impeccable Islamic behavior – and then got up at 5 o’clock the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.

It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist, too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.

Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there’s nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.

Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.

There weren’t any explosives. It wasn’t an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable, quite remarkable. Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically Kerosene, and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 degrees Celcius has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourising sixty-five tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around fifteen tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of Kerosene – let alone the boiling point – which is what would be required to vapourise a plane. And then there’s about fifty tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of Kerosene.

For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as ‘mumbo jumbo’. This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of Kerosene, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourised into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.

“Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact”, they state with pompous certainty, “watch any Bruce Willis movie.”

“Care to provide any documented examples? If it’s a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation – other than Bruce Willis movies?”

At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.

“Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there’s no way of telling.” they counter with a sly grin. Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourised into nothing. “But not big planes, with that much fuel”, they shriek in hysterical denial. Or that much metal to vapourise.

“Yes but not hijacked planes!” “Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?” “Now you’re just being silly”.

Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground, or have bombs planted aboard them, and don’t vapourise into nothing. What’s so special about a tower that’s mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. “It’s a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact.”

Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a “well known fact” and that “its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to”, the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves – if not too many other people – that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourisation of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit loop.

But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of Kerosene. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning Kerosene.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose Kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourising a sixty-five ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000 degrees centigrade for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper’s steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn’t make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of Kerosene is enough to:

– Completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft

– Have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel – melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel

– Still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building

This Kerosene really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those Kerosene heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourised. And never again will I take Kerosene lamps out camping. One moment you’re there innocently holding the lamp – the next – kapow! Vapourised into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning Kerosene melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the black smoke coming from the WTC indicates an oxygen starved fire – therefore not particularly hot – they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 degrees centigrade, without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.

Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.

Since they’re already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and redefined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of September 11th. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. “Muslim terrorists stole my notes,Sir.” “No Miss, the Kerosene heater blew up and vapourised everything in the street, except for my passport.” “You see Sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms.”

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term ‘creative science’ and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly Kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can’t be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat – although 2000 degrees centigrade isn’t really required, 100 degrees centigrade will generally do the job. This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.

That’s right, if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in New York, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourised by the fuel tank explosion, maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.

So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you’re in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you’re trying to sell at any particular time.

This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30-35 feet deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 foot diameter through three rings – six walls. A little later a section of wall about 65 foot wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 feet and a length of 155 feet, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.

But hey, we’ve already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell – why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is ‘mumbo jumbo’. It conflicts with the delusion that they’re hooked on, so it ‘must be wrong’ although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.

Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned. They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourised by it’s exploding fuel load, and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. That’s a wonderful fruit loop. Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 foot deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building – even though the building shows no sign of such damage. As for what happened to the wings – here’s where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.

When it suits them, they’ll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly – ignoring the undamaged lawn – while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an ‘irrecoverable angle.’ How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.

Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.

As America gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it’s not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist ~~Bush~~ Obongo regime.

At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on September 11th, and the subsequent war crimes committed in ‘retaliation’ are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.

Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about September 11th.
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June 2, 2016 6:24pm
mikenmild

For those interested in Reid’s babble, all of those ludicrous notions have been refuted, many, many times. A good guide here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
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June 2, 2016 6:30pm
nasska

TLDR
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June 2, 2016 6:31pm
Dennis Horne

Watched again the DVD CLIENT. Story of how the psychopaths on Wall Street manipulated the FBI to bring down Governor Eliot Spitzer as punishment for exposing their criminal activities while Attorney General.

A highly intelligent man with scruples who liked sex. Gee. Should have been next President.

God Bless America and God help the rest of us.
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June 2, 2016 6:32pm
Griff

Reid
tl.dr
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June 2, 2016 6:32pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid (copy mikenmild). Can I take a raincheck on alternative explanations for those aeroplanes flying into the twin towers and setting them alight? Thanks.
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June 2, 2016 6:37pm
lofty

As I watch the latest BS from Labour and the watermelons I am reminded of this…

If sheep could vote, they would always vote for the person that feeds them, even if the same person was the one who slaughtered them a little later in their lives.
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June 2, 2016 6:42pm
Reid

Bwahaha.

You dummies have no explanation, do you.

And continue to behave precisely as outlined above.

While the world continues to go to hell in a handcart as a direct result of that event.

And you don’t even question it.

What puzzles me is, if you don’t give a fuck about yourselves (which anyone who hasn’t realised the above questions are all valid and have profound implications, clearly doesn’t), then why don’t those of you with kids give a fuck about the world you have brought them into and what’s been happening to it since?

That’s what I don’t get.

Maybe you just don’t care about them.

Because your silence in the matter will kill them.

Your wilful ignorance in the matter will kill them.

Yet you clearly don’t give a fuck.

Interesting.

And very, very sad.
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June 2, 2016 6:49pm
nasska

I never enfranchised my sheep Lofty. After seeing what Labourites did with their vote it didn’t seem worth taking the risk. 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:51pm
Johnboy

I’ve always Frenched my sheep nasska! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:53pm
Johnboy

Good grief. I see that Dennis has finally made another successful lamding!!!! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:55pm
nasska

We need all that info condensed for us Reid. After all, as you have pointed out on many occasions we are sheeple & thus ill equipped to understand all those big words. Not only that we have the attention span of retarded goldfish & by the time we get half way through your dissertations we’ve forgotten our own names never mind what you’re banging on about.

Tailor your wisdom to your audience! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:56pm
Reid

Watched again the DVD CLIENT. Story of how the psychopaths on Wall Street manipulated the FBI to bring down Governor Eliot Spitzer as punishment for exposing their criminal activities while Attorney General.

As I’ve explained many times here Dennis. Just search for reid and spitzer on this site.

Another truth dummies don’t get, or can’t or won’t face.

We need all that info condensed for us Reid.

Certainly nasska.

The biggest geopolitical event since WWII is an obvious crock of shit and if you don’t know that you’re a moron. Read the above to find out why.

I’m sorry I can’t paraphrase the biggest geopolitical event since WWII into a few doz words, but I can’t.
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June 2, 2016 6:56pm
nasska

….”I’ve always Frenched my sheep”….

Wise move JB. A satisfied sheep seldom strays. 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:57pm
Stars And Stripes

Christchurch union organiser pleads guilty to child porn charges
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80691436/christchurch-union-organiser-pleads-guilty-to-child-porn-charges

Wonder if he is a PSA man Mikey?.
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June 2, 2016 6:58pm
All_on_Red

‘rain check on alternative explanations for those aeroplanes flying into the twin towers and setting them alight? Thanks.’

Poor Dennis, talking about aeroplanes crashing is probably a bit sensitive for him. Do share with us. Did you give up flying because you had your Licence taken off you or because of your concern for the Planet and all the CO2 you were emitting?
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June 2, 2016 6:58pm
Johnboy

“Tailor your wisdom to your audience! ?”

The last intelligent conversation Reid had was at the Lighthouse! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 2, 2016 6:58pm
Johnboy

“Poor Dennis, talking about aeroplanes crashing is probably a bit sensitive for him. Do share with us. Did you give up flying because you had your Licence taken off you or because of your concern for the Planet and all the CO2 you were emitting?”

Nah….he ran out of gas! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:00pm
All_on_Red

JB
Seriously? What a rookie mistake. Nah, can’t be right. On the video they fiddle with the engine and then (try to) take off. That didn’t go so well did it. That has to be one of the most embarrassing things I’ve seen.
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June 2, 2016 7:03pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

Any truth in the rumour that you have a VIP guest (Public Watchdog) staying with you this week? And did you receive a knitted barbed-wire present in lieu of board payments?
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June 2, 2016 7:09pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. The engineer who designed the twin towers gave a perfectly persuasive explanation for their ‘failure’ and an apology.

My acceptance of the obvious is not based on trust – except in my own judgement – rather that the theory they came down by a controlled demolition is as far fetched as the conspiracy that tens of thousands of scientists are working together to perpetrate a hoax.

If you’re seriously worried about the future, you might ponder a 3C rise in temperature by the end of this century, with several metres rise in sea level, if we carry on “business as usual”. Of course not all countries are led by amateur actors:
http://www.dw.com/en/a-look-at-chinas-efforts-to-reduce-coal-use/a-19002640
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June 2, 2016 7:14pm
nasska

And if so, has she had a bath yet JB? I understand that the water supply is a little slow at Body Odour Central! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:15pm
Johnboy

“If you’re seriously worried about the future, you might ponder a 3C rise in temperature by the end of this century, with several metres rise in sea level”

You’ll never get the crate down on the beach again if that happens Dennis….unless it’s a flying boat! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:18pm
Dennis Horne

http://nzcivair.blogspot.co.nz/2016/04/other-departees-from-dargaville-16-4.html
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June 2, 2016 7:20pm
Johnboy

To the two “N’s”…..no……but I wish! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:20pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

Dennis might be available to transport the Public Watchdog down your way at short notice? Of course, if he has any sense, he’ll ask for payment in advance!
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June 2, 2016 7:24pm
Johnboy

He’d have to land on the beach at Fitzroy bay cause CWB hasn’t built a cycle way let alone an International Airport at Wainui yet.

Still that would be no sweat at all for an aviator like Dennis! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:29pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

I think Dennis has a preference for water landings. Is there a stream or creek on your property (or near it) that he could use?

(The linked video shows that Dennis has the required skill level to get in and out of tight spots!)
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June 2, 2016 7:31pm
Johnboy

There is a very suitable large pond at the Seaview sewerage works I believe old chap.

A crash landing in the digester would save his poor, long suffering wife the cost of a funeral. 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:35pm
Reid

@Reid. The engineer who designed the twin towers gave a perfectly persuasive explanation for their ‘failure’ and an apology.

So did the MSM when they explained Iraq had WMDs Dennis.

That didn’t make it so, did it.

Unless of course you HAVE to believe it, lest your worldview collapse and you need to re-calculate every little thing, which people like you don’t [subconsciously] want to do, because the pain involved in so doing would be too great, since it would mean admitting to yourself you’ve been wrong about everything since day one. And most people’s ego’s aren’t robust enough to entertain even embarking on that journey, let alone bring it to its logical conclusion.
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June 2, 2016 7:38pm
Johnboy

If he lands in the Seaview digester all his future attempted takeoffs will be much shittier than that Nostradamus! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:41pm
mikenmild

Surely he could land on Wise Park, Johnboy.
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June 2, 2016 7:43pm
Johnboy

Hello milkey old chap….got you out of semi-retirement have I? 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:44pm
wiseowl

Winston calls proposed RMA reforms racist.

So bloody right and time to stop this pandering bs once and for all.

Watch the surge in the polls.

Go Winnie.
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June 2, 2016 7:44pm
mikenmild

About 15 years ago I was very surprised to see gliders landing and taking off from Strand Park, Johnboy.
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June 2, 2016 7:46pm
Dennis Horne

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818111001469
Sea level projections to AD2500 with a new generation of climate change scenarios

S. Jevrejevaa, , , J.C. Mooreb, c, d, A. Grinstede
a National Oceanography Centre, Liverpool, UK
b College of Global Change and Earth System Science, Beijing Normal University, Beijing, China
c Arctic Centre, University of Lapland, Rovaniemi, Finland
d Department of Earth Sciences, Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden
e Centre for Ice and Climate, Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Received 18 April 2011, Accepted 12 September 2011, Available online 21 September 2011

We estimate sea level rise of 0.57 – 1.10 m by 2100 with four new RCP scenarios. ► Sea level will continue to rise for several centuries reaching 1.84 – 5.49 m by 2500. ► Due to long response time most rise is expected after stabilization of forcing. ► 200–400 years will require dropping the rate to the 1.8 mm/yr- 20th century average.

http://www.nature.com/climate/2010/1004/full/climate.2010.29.html?-session=user_pref:42F949BC0f43105923ONnS2F9B04#close

Stefan Rahmstorf, 2010
Has the IPCC underestimated the risk of sea level rise? Recent studies predict that sea level could rise by more than one metre this century if greenhouse gas emissions continue to escalate.

In its 2007 report1, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected a global sea level rise of 18 to 59 centimetres from 1990 to the 2090s, plus an unspecified amount that could come from changes in the large ice sheets covering Greenland and Antarctica.
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June 2, 2016 7:47pm
Johnboy

And here was silly old me thinking that a fellow like you would regard glide time as a right not a surprise milkey old chap. 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:49pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. I suppose I could say that at least you are a pleasant lunatic, Reid! That’s what differentiates you from the others … the ‘pleasant’, I mean. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:50pm
Johnboy

If only you could have copied and pasted your flight plan so well Dennis old chap! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:51pm
Awww C-mon

What has the Watchdog been upto?

From today’s Facebook

“The ‘sod turning’ ceremony to launch the start of the Auckland CRL (Central Rail Link) project at Britomart Thursday 2 June 2016

Caught PM John Key on the way out, after the ceremony was over.

Don’t think the PM liked my poster much – he told me to ‘pay my rates’ (yawn ….)

Bwahahahaha. Even the PM tells the mad cow to pay her rates ???

Her Warship 🙂
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June 2, 2016 7:51pm
Nostradamus

Awww C-mon

Don’t think the PM liked my poster much

Was the Public Watchdog wearing her cross-dress Shon-Key suit?
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June 2, 2016 7:54pm
Dennis Horne

Yeah, back to Penny What’s-her-Name. Don’t want to sweat the small stuff on kiwismog, like fucking up the planet.
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June 2, 2016 7:55pm
Awww C-mon

I didn’t look closely Nostra, but no suit.

No suit, no taste, no class, no idea and no chance
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June 2, 2016 7:58pm
Johnboy

“Bright says she’s been arrested more than 40 times in her lifetime and says the latest arrest won’t stop her from protesting further.”

None of her court appearances have obviously resulted in a life sentence unfortunately! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 8:00pm
Nostradamus

Awww C-mon:

I didn’t look closely

Perfectly understandable. We wouldn’t want you to be turned into a toad, or something equally unpleasant, old chap!
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June 2, 2016 8:00pm
Awww C-mon

Do the world a favour Denis, stop exhaling CO2. You a freaking ruining the planet
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June 2, 2016 8:02pm
Johnboy

Here we go….a piloting trick for Dennis next time he’s knackered at 30,000 ft in his Jabiru! 🙂

http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/is-denzels-upside-down-flying-trick-plausible-123318220/?no-ist
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June 2, 2016 8:07pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Denis:

Back in reality NOAA tidal guages confirm that sea level continues to rise at the same 1.5-2mm/year it has for roughly the last 100 years. http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ScreenHunter_2763-Aug.-27-12.31.gif

~0.8mm/year of which is due to agricultural ground water extraction (~300km³/year, mostly India), leaving ~1mm/year from other sources, mostly thermosteric (thermal expansion), as recent data has shown that globally Icecaps are losing almost no mass. http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

So your linked paper’s claims of 1.1m rise by 2100 would require that (non-ground water extraction) sea level rise rate jumps from ~1mm to >12mm/year for the next 85 years.

How can you be so credulous of such claims? It is nothing but Millennialist fantasy fed to unthinking true believers seemingly bereft of critical faculties. Don’t outsource your thinking. Nullius in Verba.
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June 2, 2016 8:13pm
Johnboy

Jesus imagine how low sea levels would be now if we had voted for Helen in 2008 and she’d implemented her low-flow showerhead policy……be aware UN……be very aware! 🙂
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June 2, 2016 8:21pm
Dennis Horne

@UrbanNeocolonialist. 3.4mm +- 0.4/y Read the science and stop “thinking” …

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

West Antarctic ice sheet likely to collapse if we continue “business as usual”.
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June 2, 2016 8:32pm
All_on_Red

Dennis
Any comment on the Volcanic activity going on in the West Antarctic peninsular?
Amusing you deny the data from NOAA.
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June 2, 2016 8:45pm
EAD

@ Reid 6.24pm,

What an enjoyable read – it’s the ol maxim that the only sane ones who ate able to deduce facts in this insane world are labelled “conspiracy theorists”.

Just look at Islamic immigration, it is obvious to all bar Stephieboy that this is having a disastrous impact and setting us up for a nightmare future and 99% of people want it stopped. But, regardless of what party is elected, it continues, unabated, no questions asked.

PS, have you read the Savants recent article and what did you make of it? I intend to do a post on it soon with my own observations:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/is-globalist-agenda-in-trouble.html?m=0

“In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

“Truth is treason in an Empire of lies” – Ron Paul
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June 2, 2016 8:46pm
Dennis Horne

Gosh, is that the time? Sorry, I’ll have to leave you to read this…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/30/what-6-feet-of-sea-level-rise-looks-like-for-our-vulnerable-coastal-cities/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/05/20/10-things-you-should-know-about-sea-level-rise-and-how-bad-it-could-be/
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June 2, 2016 8:47pm
All_on_Red

OMG I see Dennis is quoting Rahmsdorf
Bwahahahahahahahaha
No wonder he’s so fucked up
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June 2, 2016 8:48pm
All_on_Red

50 foot rise?
Really you’re deluded.
If you are so concerned Dennis, why aren’t you setting an example by not flying and emitting CO2 anymore?
Makes you a complete hypocrite no?
Do as I say huh.
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June 2, 2016 8:57pm
Dennis Horne

This explains how the Antarctic ice sheets are melting:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/warm-waters-melting-antarctica-from-below.html

This explains why it isn’t volcanoes:
https://news.vice.com/article/no-volcanoes-are-not-the-primary-cause-for-the-melting-ice-caps
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June 2, 2016 8:59pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

AoR: yep that is the path of the righteous Millennialist true believer; Ignore real world data and listen only to the priestly models + be not led into sceptical temptation, burn the heretics and follow the gourd!!
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June 2, 2016 9:00pm
All_on_Red

Dennis
That Pollard Paper. Are you really really sure the assumptions used for those ‘models’ haven’t been disproved by observation? Snigger- you need to keep up.
And there is volcanic activity in the West Antarctic Peninsular. Quoting a link to ‘Vice’. Idiot.
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June 2, 2016 9:04pm
AgentBallSack

Western ice sheet likely to collapse….. Don’t worry Dennis you’ll be dead long before then.
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June 2, 2016 9:10pm
Reid

So why have the NWO globalist nation-wreckers miscalculated so badly? Or….. have they miscalculated? Maybe they know something that the rest of us don’t. Could it be that they know of some impending event that requires such urgent action?

Given the enterprise has been going for at least three centuries and they have succeeded in starting and concealing their involvement in two (upcoming three) world wars and many smaller projects, and given their computer modelling would have told them what would happen were they to be so stupid as to do something so obvious as the EU invasion, and given in the past they have always retreated for decades if necessary, since their plans are sourced not from men, but from far more diabolical minds, I too are finding their recent actions hard to fathom EAD.

My personal suspicion is they will do something like nukes to distract the sheeple’s attention because they know there is no more time, it’s their last desperate gambit.

As always I hope I’m wrong.

I look forward to your analysis.
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June 2, 2016 9:13pm
AgentBallSack

NZ First leader Winston Peters has labelled the National Party “racists” over their drafting and support of controversial Resource Management Act reform.

“They’re supporting racist legislation and I’m proving it by the number of references in this legislation,” he said.

Peters made a submission to a Parliament select committee on Thursday, telling MPs his party would fully support RMA reforms on the condition “separatist and race-based proposed laws, starting with the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill” were removed.

“Sir Bob Jones had to fork out $4500 for a resource consent and a cultural impact assessment, after consulting with 13 iwi, all because a reinstated window looked over a designated heritage site in Auckland.

National has already altered the RMA to transform iwi into consenting authorities.”

Might have to vote for NZFirst just to put the shits up the National party.
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