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August 19, 2016 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Griff

Goody I am going dressed as a forest ranger and commemorate our proud settler past.
http://www.richardstowers.co.nz/uploads/2/8/9/9/2899402/1757582_orig.jpg?612
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August 19, 2016 9:25pm
Stars And Stripes

We broke that sucker.
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August 19, 2016 9:27pm
Northland Wahine

Griff did it! Was all his fault!
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August 19, 2016 9:28pm
Scott Chris

Okay if there was a really spunky chick that didn’t fancy me on General Debate this is the song I’d try and woo her with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
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August 19, 2016 9:30pm
Northland Wahine

Thom Yorke hated Creep… An all time fave from Radiohead. Best tho would be fake plastic trees.
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August 19, 2016 9:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kimbo

Nonetheless, does that mean church/religious figures are excluded from giving “motivational speeches” in the public domain?

Not at all…. but a school has a responsibility to ensure that their guest speaker stays on message…..and the message is appropriate.

One guy who came to speak at Rongotai College when I taught there was an “ex-gang member” who had served jail time for the gang rape of some-one “on the block”.. but who was now reformed after having found Jesus. He raved on about what a bad boy he had been, how staunch he was, etc, etc, and other nauseating shit…(no mention of hurting his victims, trying to put things right,). and now that he was a fat,old, has-been, he had re-invented his life.

Take home message for the pupils: do all your naughty stuff when you are young, repent and you can talk bull-shit when you are old.
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August 19, 2016 9:33pm
William of Ockham

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-sea-level-rise-global-warming-climate-change-british-antarctic-survey-a7195481.html

Finish with some good news. Floods don’t start tomorrow. But can we trust the scientists?
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August 19, 2016 9:37pm
sam green

Oh look. Everything has disappeared. How surreal.
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August 19, 2016 9:37pm
Scott Chris

Northland Wahine (1,187 comments) says:
August 19th, 2016 at 9:33 pm
Thom Yorke hated Creep… An all time fave from Radiohead. Best tho would be fake plastic trees.

NW, fake plastic fantastic but pretty sure Creep was an essay he got sick of explaining.
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August 19, 2016 9:38pm
Northland Wahine

Probably found God because he was an old fat has been. Gang members are reluctant to smash over a man of the cloth.
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August 19, 2016 9:39pm
sam green

Yes Maggy – completely agree.
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August 19, 2016 9:41pm
Jack5

Great, we’ve bust the blog counter.

Meanwhile, the tide of political correctness continues to roll in.

The venerable American Ivy-League university of Princeton has issued guidelines on gender-free English.

Out are “fireman”, “policeman”, “mankind”, “man (meaning any human being)”, “average man “, “man and wife”, “workmanlike”, “actress” ….

https://www.princeton.edu/hr/progserv/communications/inclusivelanguage.pdf
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August 19, 2016 9:44pm
rangitoto

“Aussie America’s Cup boat sinking in 1995 – I still have a VHS recorder so I can play the tape. ”

No need to play a tape. It’s on youtube.
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August 19, 2016 9:44pm
Manolo

Wow. 500+ comments! KB is starting to look like The sub-Standard.
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August 19, 2016 9:45pm
calendar girl

Where can we access the 500 previous GD comments? Surely they haven’t simply disappeared into the ether!
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August 19, 2016 9:49pm
William of Ockham

Manual, manned, manhole …
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August 19, 2016 9:50pm
Jack5

Calendar girl 9.46

They’re now oral history … we’ll pass them on to the grandkids and they can use them at the Second Waitangi Treaty of Xin Xiland.
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August 19, 2016 9:50pm
Northland Wahine

If you go to popular comments for today’s general debate you should be able to scroll back, calendar girl
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August 19, 2016 9:52pm
Northland Wahine

Sorry Scott, that was for maggys post…

And I’m being moderated again!

Calendar girl, if you go to popular posts for today’s GD, you should be able to scroll from there.
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August 19, 2016 9:54pm
Scott Chris

Northland Wahine (1,188 comments) says:
August 19th, 2016 at 9:39 pm
Probably found God because he was an old fat has been. Gang members are reluctant to smash over a man of the cloth.

NW you lost me there. Paranoid Android? Kid A? I’m not big on narrative just like the songs.
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August 19, 2016 9:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@William of Ockham

Oh yes, you have to trust these British Scientists who published their peer-reviewed paper in Nature last month showing NO temperature rise on the Antarctic peninsula this century……
Gosh, even our top NZ geologists who go down to the ice each year were surprised.

https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/a-recent-pause-in-antarctic-peninsula-warming/
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v535/n7612/full/nature18645.html

And if you want to check out a few other places that have forgotten to warm during “the CO2-induced global warming period” you might
like to look through the 32 recently published papers mentioned herein

http://notrickszone.com/2016/08/15/abundant-scientific-evidence-that-global-warming-is-a-made-up-concept/#sthash.NNJsgHGV.dpbs
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August 19, 2016 10:03pm
Scott Chris

Or if you have any musical fortitude try Beethoven’s great 9th symphony composed when he was profoundly deaf; and is widely regarded as the pinnacle of rare musical genius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOjHhS5MtvA
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August 19, 2016 10:17pm
William of Ockham

Maggy Wassilieff. No warming? So why are the ice shelves being undermined and what has caused more snow to fall on the very high mountains.
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August 19, 2016 10:34pm
William of Ockham

Maggy Wassilieff. no tricks zone: abundant scientific evidence global warming is a made up concept.

Do you have any idea how fucking mad that sounds?
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August 19, 2016 10:48pm
Scott Chris

Yeah no warming it would seem William of Ockham. But Shostakovich 11, the 1905 story.

Takes a while to warm to it to but it’s so real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED5-QGuxJs8
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August 19, 2016 10:51pm
William of Ockham

Scott Chris. Took the opportunity to listen to von Karajan’s 1960s recordings of the symphonies on CD last week. Bought them on vinyl 40 years ago; should get them out again. I think Beethoven would have preferred the Berlin Philharmonic to the ‘authentic’ orchestras, which I also have on CD.
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August 19, 2016 10:53pm
Scott Chris

check out this bit:

https://youtu.be/ED5-QGuxJs8?t=1576
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August 19, 2016 11:15pm
sam green

I like you guys.
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August 19, 2016 11:49pm
sam green

The beginning of that Shostakovich always sounds like it’s going to morph into the Star Trek theme.
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August 19, 2016 11:58pm
William of Ockham

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/18/naked-donald-trump-statue-leaves-new-york-in-giggles/
“NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small,” a spokesperson told AFP in an email.
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August 20, 2016 1:49am
William of Ockham

Maggy Wassilieff. Here you are, a fellow traveller.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/noahs-ark-climate-change-fact-irish-mp-danny-healy-rae-bible-science-a7198711.html Noah’s Ark story is a ‘fact’ that disproves climate change, says Irish MP
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August 20, 2016 2:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

@William of Ockham

I am no fellow traveller of any religious adherent.

Did you read any of those papers I referred to?
Check out a few
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016EF000352/full
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v9/n7/full/ngeo2727.html
http://www.clim-past.net/12/1485/2016/cp-12-1485-2016.pdf
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/cdeser/docs/fan.antarctic_seaice_trends.grl14.pdf

Don’t worry about the blog title, read the actual papers.
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August 20, 2016 3:10am
starboard

wakey wakey trendsetters ! Lydia Ko doing very well after a comeback overnight..what a chix. Hole in one and 4 birdies.
Medal contention ! What a fantastic Kiwi.
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August 20, 2016 6:36am
Kriss X

Griff did it! Was all his fault!
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Indeed he did Maggy.

The sullen and joyless prophet of doom spreads his Godless message of despair far and wid in an attempt to lure the vulnerable to his compound in the far North to await end.
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August 20, 2016 7:28am
Griff

Maggy Wassilieff. no tricks zone: abundant scientific evidence global warming is a made up concept.

Do you have any idea how fucking mad that sounds?

Yip she does.
I have informed her many times .
but she is unable to look past her faith that global warming is not real.
She is quite strange eh.

I could go to that no tricks zone site and point out the tricks.
but if you do she will still keep exactly the same view.
I have even had her insist a paper talked of a pause or hiatus in warming and she pointed to a paragraph as proof .
The proof was where the paper said the words hiatus and pause were not applicable to the slow down in warming .

Here is an abstract from her list
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JPO-D-13-096.1

Interpretation requires close attention to the long memory of the deep ocean, implying that meteorological forcing of decades to thousands of years ago should still be producing trendlike changes in abyssal heat content. Much of the deep-ocean volume remained unobserved. At the present time, warming is seen in the deep western Atlantic and Southern Oceans, roughly consistent with those regions of the ocean expected to display the earliest responses to surface disturbances.

Well hello we know that before the industrial revolution the globe was cooling for five thousand or so years .
This is old news .
That deep oceans are still showing the response to this historic cooling in not proof that global warming is not happening at all in any way .
But the web site says it is so maggy dear a phd in botany believes it .

here is another
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013JD021395/abstract

The cooling trend in the eastern tropical Pacific sea surface temperature (SST) during 1979–2008 is examined by using a wide variety of data sets for the ocean and atmosphere. The results show that the cooling trend is statistically significant at the 10% level out of the equator rather than along the equator. Diagnostic analysis indicates that the SST cooling in the eastern tropical Pacific is resulted from a competition of global warming mode, Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation (IPO) mode, and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) mode. The cooling trend is preliminarily dominated by the phase transition of IPO from positive to negative phases in the year around 1998/1999, which overwhelms the effect of global warming in past three decades.

What it is telling us is the IPO basically the ratio between El Nino and LA Nina was in a phase where La Nina dominated from 1999 . We know that this will cause the eastern pacific to cool as water is driven from Winds east to west resulting in cold deep water up welling along the coast of Peru.
Of course this is an Oscillation so it does not stay that way for ever.
A look at the present conditions would show you as we are moving into a positive phase of the IPO and the recent surge in warming was from a strong EL Nino driving hot water the other way.

Basic shit but Maggy has blinders on that makes it impossible for her to lean .
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August 20, 2016 8:43am
William of Ockham

Maggy Wassilieff. Yes, man does generate energy which dissipates as heat. What percentage of total energy would you estimate that to be? (Where is your sense of proportion?)

Sorry, but you are a follow-traveller of the nutter who says the floods prove it’s not CO2. You follow Treadgold and cranks. Where is your scepticism?

Why don’t you try to learn some science from those who demonstrably know what they’re talking about? There are thousands and thousands doing the most amazing work. Their knowledge is incredible.

Richard Alley of Penn State is very informative and highly entertaining. Well, he appeals to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RffPSrRpq_g
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