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Nostradamus

On 12 October 2013 the good people of Dunedin had to make a difficult and potentially life-changing decision: should they elect Pete George as the town mayor and a ward councillor?

The election results indicate that Pete George was an unpopular candidate:

– Mayor: Pete George came 6th (782 votes) out of 9 candidates. [removed by DPF]

– Ward councillor: Pete George came 22nd (342.208472979 votes – blame the 9 decimal places on the Single Transferable Vote system) out of 35 candidates. [deleted by DPF]

So why was Pete George such an unpopular candidate? This video shows why. It’s 5 minute 21 seconds long. After about 38 seconds, Pete George sends everyone to sleep. If you’re feeling lucky, and want a challenge, try watching the whole video!

(This comment has been independently certified as compliant with Pete George’s good blog commenting guide.)
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January 9, 2019 8:01am
- oldgolfer
  
  I made it to 46 sec.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:09am
  - Longknives
    
    The wife must be thrilled Oldpark!
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:11am
    - Longknives
      
      Sorry OldGolfer! (Edit function seems to be playing up today)
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:12am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Thanks, Oldpark.
      One does one’s best.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pussy…1.04 🙂
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:47am
    - waikatosinger
      
      No mention of pussy at all at 1:04. I feel tricked.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:50pm
  - Nermal
    
    27 sec
    
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    January 9, 2019 3:27pm
  - RF
    
    Man… you have staying power..
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:28pm
- Philview
  
  I have never looked at his website but just went and had a look. The lead article talks about geopolitics in 2019 from the view that NZ is some kind of impartial observer while extremism reigns elsewhere.
  I disagree, Jacinda Ardern has pushed us well and truly into the same currents and aligned us with Berlin. We have a proposed FTA that proposes that the laws in of our country on many areas will be in alignment with Brussels. She did a speech in Berlin pledging support for the concept of Open Borders. The Government has signed the Migration Compact and pledged per objective 17 for state of control the media on the issue.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Objective 17 asks signatory countries to:
    Eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public discourse to
    shape perceptions of migration
    I doubt this forms the basis for ‘state of control the media (sic)’.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:26am
    - Philview
      
      Per Objective 17 – 33 (c)
      
      “Promote independent, objective and quality reporting of media outlets, including internet based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising, and stopping allocation of public funding or material support to media outlets that systematically promote intolerance, xenophobia, racism and other forms of
      discrimination towards migrants, in full respect for the freedom of the media”
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      Who approves the “evidence”?
      
      That is the key.
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      State controls what constitutes “evidence based”, and we really really trust the state to define that, don’t we.
      
      Same with discrimination, if one can define what discrimination actually is then you can control and criminalize anything. Let’s say that discrimination is inequality of outcomes, so all people must achieve the same “success” regardless of talent, application, and effort. Could do a lot with that, though ultimately the only way to ensure it would be to insist that everyone has nothing. Of course those imposing such rules would have to be exempt the provisions of equal sharing, but, hey, that’s just how it goes.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:02am
      - Ed Snack
        
        What’s with the “awaiting moderation” appearing so often. What are the key words or phrases to avoid ?
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:03am
    - MickMac
      
      what is the objective?
      
      Control of commentary opposed to the compact!
      
      If you Truely, do not understand this mikemild, then I am sorry for you. For you are a dangerous fool.
      
      However if you do, then you must be treated as the enemy of democracy in NZ that you are.
      And an Islamic useful idiot.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:35pm
- Pete George
  
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  So you are resorting to making things up Nostradamus? What got you in such a snitch?
  
  “he’d appointed himself as a blog guardian”
  
  That’s very funny considering the lengths you go to here to try to protect the abusive Kiwiblog culture. Lying won’t help.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:47am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Pete George:
    
    Hilarious – you’re accusing me of “making things up” and “lying” – and then (for the second day in a row) accusing me of protecting “the abusive Kiwiblog culture”!
    
    By the way, did you see the Kiwiblog poll results yesterday (including 2 polls that you initiated), where the overwhelming consensus of those who voted was that the current system is working fine?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Given Maggy’s comments about George ignoring her requests and not stopping Griffs bullyingI think he needs to attend to the abusive culture on his own Blog.
      What a hypocrite
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:06am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I never said P.G. had ignored my requests.
        He took down the offending material.
        
        It doesn’t solve the problem that I will still get abuse if I post on that site.
        
        I’m not going to sit around all day/night waiting to see if some anonymous chap places abuse about me on the blog and then ring P.G. up again and again and again.
        
        I’m over it… Griff can have his free speech unheeded.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:43am
      - Pete George
        
        That’s false, I didn’t ignore her requests. I dealt with them as son as she informed me.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:43am
    - Pete George
      
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      You have lied here to discredit me with what loks to me like obvious intent to stoke up the Kiwiblog abusive culture against me.
      
      This is a gutless attack by someone hiding behind a pseudonym. This sort of thing has been happening for a long time here, and you often seem to getting involved trying to protect this personal attack culture.
      
      This is not just about me. Awww C-mon got a 5th strike – 05/01/19 – for something similar.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:13am
      - Swifty
        
        Cool it Pete.
        
        Everyone gets the shit put into them from time to time here.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:28am
      - MickMac
        
        Sorry Pete
        You are a dick.
        You have allowed abuse by not banning the offender.
        therefore all you do is delete the evidence of your mate.
        
        Man up, deal to him.
        
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        January 9, 2019 8:39pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Pete George:
      
      You have lied here
      
      Once again you’ve accused me of lying. I maintain a practice of providing links to substantiate my comments. The reference to “blog guardian” was intended to be humorous – and I didn’t expect anyone (except perhaps you) to take it any other way.
      
      This is not just about me.
      
      Well, colour me surprised, because so far on this thread, on yesterday’s thread, and on at least 3 threads at your own blog, you’ve made it all about you!
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:05am
      - Pete George
        
        “The reference to “blog guardian” was intended to be humorous”
        
        That’s one of the oldest excuses in the book. Make up whatever you like, present it as if it could be seen as fact, then call it ‘humorous’, a joke.
        
        You’re digging deeper into a dirty hole.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:43am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pete George:
        
        I assume that you complained about my comment.
        
        Would you like me to repost the edited text so that other Kiwiblog readers can tell you if it was humorous or not?
        
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        January 9, 2019 4:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus,
        
        “..That’s very funny considering the lengths you go to here to try to protect the abusive Kiwiblog culture. Lying won’t help.”
        
        Acute and perceptive observation!
        
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        January 9, 2019 8:28pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Hey Stephieboy:
        
        Why did Nostalgia-NZ describe you as a “fiddler” on his blog? Was his description “acute and perceptive”? Does he know something about you that we don’t? Do tell!
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:32pm
  - igm
    
    Bet George is a mate of this guy:
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/01/salinger-throws-his-toys-on-zb/
    Maybe he attends a mosque!
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:23am
- jonno1
  
  I got to 2 minutes! The eyelid fluttering and head-jerks by various other candidates were the best parts – I’ve done that myself on occasion. Ironically, I think that Pete had some good points; the problem was in the delivery.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s like smelling a fart. It’s still “air” but you don’t really want to breathe it in…..
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:51am
  - secondcumming
    
    You are right about it being a problem with the lack-luster delivery…..
    maybe PG just needs a few lessons? 😎
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:07am
- Manolo
  
  Please, tell me: who is this Mr George? 😀
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:53am
  - sooty
    
    Someone in the relam of morrisey, that they both have a blog that no one visits!
    So they have to go visiting some else’s blog to prove how useless their own is!
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Best not to ask…..
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:52am
- Pete George
  
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  In trying to respond to a comment I have had a comment quickly disappear into moderation again.
  
  And this comment went straight into moderation. Looks like something else at play here.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s a glitch in the software
    It’s been happening for a long time and certainly isn’t some sort of conspiracy.
    FFS
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:13am
  - All_on_Red
    
    See just happened to me then
    ‘Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    
    It’s a glitch in the software
    It’s been happening for a long time and certainly isn’t some sort of conspiracy.
    FFS’
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:14am
    - Swifty
      
      Tell that to Stiffy – he thinks it’s all a grand conspiracy against him and that we should all own up!
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    Probably your own computer chips are trying to save you further embarrassment…
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:53am
  - igm
    
    Do f/wits like you never get the message?
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:13am
    - MickMac
      
      err No it seems.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:40pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Pete. I suspect the good folk at Kiwiblog are testing Mr Farrar. Some are obviously willing to cop a ban in order to find out if the 5 report policy is indeed for abusive comments only.
    
    It is particularly ironic that the supposed home of free speech has such a major flaw preventing it.
    
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    January 9, 2019 1:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  You’re on fine form today. Good to see a sensible post at number 1.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:48am
secondcumming

Someone has just accused me of Plagiarism.

Their words, not mine.
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January 9, 2019 8:03am
- stigie
  
  Pete George first to downtick..?
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:08am
  - Biscuit
    
    Dunno, stigie, but I was first to uptick YOUR comment!
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:10am
  - Longknives
    
    Did Pete George get as many votes as Scout Barbour Evans did?
    Gotta love Dunedin! More Leftie fruitcakes and weirdos than anywhere else in New Zealand…
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Scout didn’t run in 2013.
      In 2016, They (she/he) got 1043 votes.
      Mayoral candidate Scout Barbour-Evans fell just short of the votes required for election to the council.
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/mayor-back-hot-seat
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:24am
      - Longknives
        
        I rest my case.
        I went to Otago University and had a blast (The good old Cook and Bowler days)
        But Christ Dunedin is a weird little place..
        
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        January 9, 2019 8:28am
      - doggone7
        
        It’s quite funny seeing Dunedin described as a weird little place having more fruitcakes and weirdos than anywhere else in New Zealand.
        
        Any regular passer-by to this site would see more here on a daily basis fitting that description than you’d find in Dunedin.
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        I dunno doggy but have you considered that a lot of the posters on here are located in Dunedin?
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:55am
    - Philview
      
      Sorry, Longknives I accidentally reported you. The Otago Daily Times has morphed into media arm of the Labour Party (perhaps it always has been). The ODT seems to forget that Otago comprises other towns that are very successful and have residents that aren’t all hardened socialists. A bit more balance might sell a few more newspapers.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:45am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Philview:
        
        I accidentally reported you
        
        You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting abuse culture 🙂
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        Naughty chair is now located at “morris minor’s ” place.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:56am
      - Bill felt
        
        I think that if you have a good look you will find that there is a Labour Party machine in South Dunedin that actively manipulates blogs, and other media in the region to the benefit of the Labour Party. That manipulation is led by none other than the previous Minister of Open Govt – Claire Curran (you just couldn’t make this stuff up)
        
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        January 9, 2019 12:04pm
    - igm
      
      Look at the putrid mayor and politicians they elect . . . the place must be full of retards, losers, and leeches.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:14am
      - RF
        
        Dunedin has its fair share of nutters.
        
        I can remember driving a Police car through the students quarters and with students firing Sky rockets at me through plastic downpipes. They were bouncing off my car in all directions.
        
        Must admit it was quite scary.
        
        How many of those bastards are now high court judges.
        
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        January 9, 2019 8:38pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Nope Longknives, Dunedin is a distant second to the cool inner city hipsters of Wellington for leftie fruitcakes and weirdos.
      Was there in October, and there was a preponderance of men dressed in frocks and with makeup on.
      Oh, wife did mention that they should at least shave….
      
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      January 9, 2019 12:12pm
Biscuit

Why IS it that every ‘charity’ I see these days is no longer simply grateful that I give them some of my hard-earned but feels obliged to lecture me non-stop about their perceptions of the world?
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January 9, 2019 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  Charity is a commercial enterprise and wants to part you from your money with a combination of hard sell and heart sell.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:11am
- Jules99
  
  Because it appears to work. They get lots of praise and pats on the back but don’t notice the fall off in donations. Virtue signallers tend to be young with no money.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Virtue signallers tend to be young with no money”
    
    ardern the liar, virtue signaller extraordinaire…$10K per week, not bad work if you can get…
    
    golly, genter etc….$3500-$5000 per week.
    
    Nice to see our money going to such worthy recipients.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:59am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Because they no longer want your money? You have stopped giving to them, haven’t you?
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:00pm
kowtow

More enrichment.

‘A man has been sentenced to six years in prison and deportation from Sweden for raping a nine-year-old girl in a shed outside an apartment building.’

https://www.thelocal.se/20181228/man-jailed-in-malm-for-raping-10-year-old-girl
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January 9, 2019 8:09am
- Chuck Bird
  
  If it happened here he would probably get home detention.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:11am
  - peterwn
    
    No, in NZ he would probably have got 10 years less 25% discount for early guilty plea. I do not know Sweden’s parole rules, but the end result would be similar for both nations.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:01am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Any worldly possessions should be sold and the proceeds given to that poor wrecked child, how horrific if then expected to be his wife.
      
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      January 9, 2019 4:06pm
    - RF
      
      Chuck Bird…….No. Ardern would be kind to him and put him on her payroll.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:40pm
- oldpark
  
  kowtow, i heard of a guy called Mohammed who did the same thing some time ago,and yet he has been heralded ever since. Whats going on ?.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:13am
- Tall Man
  
  “And of course, an immigrant from an islamic country.”
  
  The final sentence in the article.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:02am
Longknives

I see Stuff are ranting about Climate Change again (And turning it into an attack on National)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/109799207/national-party-must-stop-holding-kiwis-ransom-with-climate-change-outlook

A couple of questions for them (As they won’t accept my comments)-

Why is ‘Capitalism’ always to blame? Do Communist and Socialist Countries never pollute?
And any thoughts on a Prime Minister who commandeers planes to zoom halfway across the World by herself??
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January 9, 2019 8:10am
- stigie
  
  Yes, 108 tons of c02 Longknives, but it’s different when the left do it !~
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:16am
  - Biscuit
    
    Stigie, and that excludes the pollutants her body emits -I’m thinking orally but the other end is applicable, too! – personally…
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:19am
    - freethinker
      
      The same pollutants are emitted from both Orifices.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:40am
- LTA1955
  
  Jim “Compromised” Salinger got owned by Tim Dower on ZB this morning, he called the host a denier and hung up on him. Climate change psychosis is now a notifiable disease. Jimbo needs help.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jim Salinger is the only Senior Scientist that I know that has been sacked whilst in the employ of the NZ Government.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/2361900/Niwa-sacks-Jim-Salinger
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3185809/Jim-Salinger-sacking-justified-ERA
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:28am
    - Paulus
      
      Salinger got sacked as I understand for falsifying and publishing internationally false doctored climate statistics.
      Silly old fool still.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No,
        the official reason why he got sacked was for talking to the Media (his mate Jim Hickey) when he had been specifically told that was not his brief.
        Jim Salinger has lost his job after reportedly ignoring Niwa policy against speaking publicly without prior approval.
        
        (It seemed such an odd reason to lose your job in the NZ Public Service).
        
        Perhaps The then Minister of Science… Dr Wayne Mapp. could fill in the details…
        Ms Fitzsimons said the Minister of Research, Science and Technology, Wayne Mapp, should call in Niwa and tell them to “get to the bottom of this messy matter”.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/2361900/Niwa-sacks-Jim-Salinger
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:18am
  - cmm
    
    NIWA are scientists in name only. They are really taxpayer funded activists.
    
    A few years ago I asked NIWA for some data so that I could verify something. They refused to give it to me until the data had been “corrected”.
    
    I asked about raw data. They said they did not keep the raw data but discarded it after correction.
    
    That is a crime against science. You **never** destroy raw data. You need to preserve it in case you want to apply new models and filtering etc to it in the future.
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:58am
    - KevOB
      
      They followed their friends at Hadley in the UK who proposed hidden adjustments to data when they couldn’t find warming. (1989 leaked emails). Dishonesty is never science.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:34am
      - MickMac
        
        no it’s Lying.
        
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        January 9, 2019 8:47pm
  - Morrissey
    
    …Salinger got owned by Tim Dower…
    
    That sounds doubtful. There’s an I.Q. gap of about fifty points there. Dower is lightweight, even for NewstalkZzzzzzB.
    
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    January 9, 2019 2:07pm
  - MickMac
    
    Jailing if he”s using our money…..
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:44pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Jim Salanger was being interviewed by Tim Dower on ZB and he abused Tim and hung up on him for questioning him for real evidence.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:19am
- wiseowl
  
  That opinion piece is reprehensible.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:28am
- G152
  
  And why are those claiming ‘global warming’ the same who are doing the measuring, massaging the data and publishing their results that agree with their basic premise.
  And these same cannot tell us what the weather will be in a weeks time with any certainty…
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:32am
  - backster
    
    Meanwhile global warming seems to be passing Europe by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hglel8buyjs&feature=em-uploademail
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:14am
- howzit
  
  The author is working on a PhD in climate change and is an obvious socialist.
  
  A PhD in climate change sounds akin to a PhD in Scientology. You have skipped the scientific arguments and jumped into the deep end of your belief.
  
  Socialist scientists tend to set about proving their gut feelings rather than trying to disprove a theory to legitimately argue a point.
  
  Speaking of PhD’s does anyone know what Dr. David Clark has a PhD in that somehow qualifies him to be minister of health. It’s right up there with useful degrees such as a PhD in the viscosity of my 3rd beer on the first Friday of a leap year.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:00am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Dr David Clark. His doctorate is in theology:
    
    Member of Parliament for Dunedin North 2011 – current
    Labour Revenue Spokesperson 2012 – 2013, 2013 – current
    Labour Small Business Spokesperson 2013 – current
    Labour Associate Finance Spokesperson 2013 – current
    Labour Associate Health Spokesperson 2013 – current
    Labour Economic Development Spokesperson 2013 – 2013
    Labour Associate Tertiary Education Spokesperson 2012 – 2013
    Warden, Selwyn College Dunedin 2008 – 2011
    Advisor, to Hon David Parker 2006 – 2007
    Analyst, Treasury 2003 – 2006
    PhD Student, University of Otago 2000 – 2003
    Presbyterian Minister, Community of St Luke 1997 – 2000
    University Exchange Student, Germany 1997
    Student, University of Otago, BA, BTheol (Hons I) 1991 – 1996
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:14am
    - sooty
      
      He’s lucky that stephie was not a member of his flock. In the area.
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:17am
    - howzit
      
      technically his PhD is on the work of another theologist called Hulmut Herbert Hermann Rex who was a Theologist and did a thesis on.. wait for it, “did Jesus rise from the dead”
      Talk about scientific based studies…. Meanwhile somewhere in the ocean there was a unicorn called Colin strutting about a large boat filled with animals. Suddenly in the distance he spies another unicorn so off he trots to introduce himself to his mate.
      As he approaches he yells out, Gudday gorgeous my names colin what’s your name? with a falorn voice the reply was, “Murray is my name.”
      
      This will be the topic of my thesis on why Colin and Murray are the reason unicorns are extinct.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:26am
  - Dave Mann
    
    A PhD in climate change sounds akin to a PhD in Scientology. You have skipped the scientific arguments and jumped into the deep end of your belief.
    
    Brilliant. ✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:24am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Somebody must have reported me at some time recently, because my comments across several threads are ‘awaiting moderation’ – including the SPCA thread where I welcomed DPF back and wished him a Happy New Year! 😀
      
      p.s. This comment is awaiting moderation.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:29am
      - Morrissey
        
        Welcome to the club, bro!
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:30am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Phew… I’m out of the wilderness. It’s a scary dark feeling of helplessness to be awaiting moderation. Am I addicted? 😀 😀 😀
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:16am
      - holysheet
        
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        January 9, 2019 1:42pm
      - holysheet
        
        Copy your comment under moderation, leave a . and repost your copied comment again.
        Works every time for me.
        
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        January 9, 2019 1:43pm
      - holysheet
        
        Well buggar me It didn’t just then.
        Copy your comment under moderation, leave a . and repost your copied comment again.
        Works every time for me.
        
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        January 9, 2019 1:44pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Oh dear DM seems that “Your comment is awaiting moderation” is now a big feature as much here as on Stuff. What a shame.
        
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        January 9, 2019 2:19pm
  - alwyn
    
    According to his entry in Wikipedia it will be in Theology.
    “Clark undertook university study at the University of Otago and Eberhard Karls University, Tübingen. He completed degrees in German and theology before a PhD on the work of German/New Zealand refugee and existentialist thinker Helmut Herbert Hermann Rex. ”
    I have no objection to people using the honorific Dr if they have a PhD in anything EXCEPT for the Health Minister. If they call themselves Doctor it tends to be interpreted as being a medical qualification and Clark certainly doesn’t have that.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:56am
    - howzit
      
      Bang on and you get my point exactly. How many people in NZ are fooled into thinking that his Dr. title means he is obviously a medical expert and exceptionally qualified for his role. If you see my point above you will see what the pinnacle of Helmut Herbert Hermann Rex’ work was. mmmm.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:38am
    - jonno1
      
      I agree in general, although some doctorates are just weird (eg that of Dr Russel Norman). I have a friend who refuses to use that title even though she still works in the field. Her argument is that her PhD thesis is now so out of date it’s irrelevant. You can guess that her ethics are beyond reproach..
      
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      January 9, 2019 1:06pm
- Ross12
  
  As I said the other day, expect a whole lot more of this every week this year as they build up the BS to support Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act.
  
  Meanwhile data is coming out of Germany and the UK, in particular, about how much their “transition” has cost and how little has been achieve.
  It is also coming out in Australia showing the renewables push is really just another form of corporate welfare for the companies and investors involved. (here is one piece about it
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/01/crossbench-senators-wasted-20-billion-propping-up-renewables-australia-institute-pr-agency-for-renewables/ )
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:30am
- Niz
  
  If we accept everything the climate change zealots tell us, we’ve ‘locked in’ at least 1.5 degrees C of warming in the next century or so – it’s coming no matter what we do. We’ve ‘locked in’ droughts, floods, and coastal erosion. So, if we accept all of of this, we have more immediate concerns than trying to undo this climate change. Money spent on trying to undo this climate change is money wasted (because it’s ‘locked in’). If we’re going to spend money, it should be spent on more immediate concerns, like _adapting_ to the climate change.
  That way, it doesn’t matter if you think humans are responsible for the climate change, or if you think humans can undo the change, because the money spent is being spent on something practically everybody agrees with (i.e. the climage changes).
  Many (most?) ‘deniers’ don’t _deny_ climate change at all. If they have any brains at all they know that climate changes/varies all the time. This should be no revelation to anybody. Any ‘scientist’ that labels somebody as a ‘denier’ isn’t being a scientist, they’re being a cunty politician (or maybe just a cunt). An actual scientist would be able to calmly refute a ‘denier’s bizarre claims with actual evidence.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    globally ocean is only warming at 0.15°C per century (upper ocean at 0.3°C per century) – According to high accuracy Argo buoy system. Is atmosphere warms (currently at about 1.3°C per century, no sign of acceleration) it will inevitably have in increased ‘clamping’ effect that reduces the rate of air warming.
    
    Global warming as actually of benefit to NZ – improves agricultural output and rainfall, and 2mm/year of sea level rise doesn’t have any significant impact.
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Overlay the graph of the sun spot cycles
  with the
  increase in temp.
  Funny how there is at least a small bump in temp just a couple of years after each increase in sun spot activity.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:22am
  - MickMac
    
    As Prof Fred Singer stated in his book “Global Warming every 1500 years”.
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:52pm
- cmm
  
  Only wealthy countries can afford to care about the environment which is why it always suffers under communism.
  
  Just look at the Black Triangle in Eastern Europe. Buggered by 45 years of communism (1945-1989) but slowly improving since the wall came down.
  
  Compare it with the Black Forest in South Western Germany – just 500km away. Almost pristine.
  
  The difference: communism vs capitalism.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Triangle_(region)
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:30am
- Komata
  
  LK
  
  Re: ‘Communist’ pollution
  
  The CPR and (when it existed) the Soviet Bloc were / are some of the heviest polluters around, but ‘cos it doesn’t fit the narrative, are never mentioned, much less upbraided for their ‘crimes’.
  
  When the Komrades are in charge, should we be surprised…?
  
  (Surprise, surprise, I’ve been ‘Moderated’; a painful afflicition; Must have ‘annoyed’ the machine…)
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:28pm
Huevon

Wide ranging academic study concludes that in New Zealand men suffer from greater discrimination than women:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6564767/Men-face-discrimination-women.html

I guess Jacinda, JAG and every other whiny feminist crone will shut up now…

….still waiting…
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January 9, 2019 8:11am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  The index used ranks Saudi Arabia as third least discriminatory, with women marginally better off than men. Hmmm.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:57am
  - MCos
    
    So basically if you wait around long enough a report will come out that proves anything you like.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:03am
    - Piniwi
      
      Or MCos if you carefully hand pick the author and pay them enough they will dress it up and say what they are told to “report”.
      
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      January 9, 2019 1:50pm
- Niz
  
  I think JAG has a plan to get more women in prison, have them die at work at the same rate as men, and have them succeed at suicide as well as men.
  It’s all down to institutional bias don’t you know.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:38am
- KevOB
  
  In the USA the top 4 out of 5 CEO positions of military arms producers are now women. The FBI has been taken over too at the top. There could be opportunities there for the Green women-identifying MP’s.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:40am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Women promoted to the top ranks of the FBI does not constitute a takeover.
    Just saying.
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:51am
    - KevOB
      
      Having them run the global arms supply is novel.
      
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      January 9, 2019 5:13pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Kev, it wont be long before Labour insist on Chris Hipkins and Ian Lees-Galloway identify as women so they can get to their 50% quota….
    
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    January 9, 2019 12:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  I strongly advise you to not hold your breath.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:10am
auckwood

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109788886/fonterras-kapiti-cheese-name-tuteremoana-insulting-to-decedents-of-great-chief-advisor-says

Taiuru said New Zealand businesses should be consulting with Māori as a matter of course when considering whether to use of Māori culture or names for a commercial purpose.

“It is not difficult to fact check names.”

He said he knew of at least two families who were direct descendents of Tuteremoana who were insulted by Fonterra’s use of their ancestor’s name on its cheese.

“There should be some consultation and an apology.”

They want to force Te Reo and Maori culture down our throats, then claim appropriation when someone else is making a buck…
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January 9, 2019 8:12am
- sooty
  
  I think he means koha!
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:18am
- cmm
  
  I wonder if the same applies when:
  * Maori want to write anything down using the Latin alphabet.
  * Maori dress in Western clothing.
  * Maori “perform” rap music.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:20am
  - Longknives
    
    I’d like to add all those ‘Maori songs’ our kids are forced to sing at School.
    Most are old English songs rewritten with Maori words.
    *Oh and I wont even go into the origins of the Acoustic Guitar…
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:31am
    - starboard
      
      Murri are taonga remember..*snigger *
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:34am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hmmm
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:06am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        DPF I wrote a comment that was possibly highly offensive, so I tried to delete it. The delete function does not work. I could, fortunatly edit it…
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:08am
    - LTA1955
      
      I hope Maori are aware that royalties are due to Antonio de Torres Jurado for inventing the modern guitar and payable back to 1850. This sort of rubbish over “name” intellectual property will descend into madness eventually.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:01am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I agree. “name” intellectual property is rubbish. To demonstrate this, why don’t you open a fast-food restaurant and call it McDonald’s?
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:35am
      - Tall Man
        
        So “mikey”…did your mummy and daady pay a “royalty” to use the name michael?
        
        I’ll bet they are disappointed about that….
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:13am
      - auckwood
        
        Sorry mikenmildagain I accidentally hit report (as the reply option wasn’t available which I didn’t realize till after, an honest mistake)
        
        I was going to reply with – what about any insult anyone named or descended from a McDonald might take against the use of their family name being used as a purveyor of fast food (and all negative stereotypes associated with fast food) ?
        
        What if I personally feel that a large tool manufacturer has the same name as my family, and therefor feel it’s akin to suggesting my family & I are tools?
        
        Can I get a koha to make me feel better..?
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:19am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Not a good analogy at all, mma. Tuteremoana lived 20 generations ago according to the linked news item and does not have a commercial reputation as a cheese maker to protect.
        
        The Duke of Wellington died much more recently, yet there are several hotels named after him. Whether or not his descendants were consulted I have no idea, but see no reason why they should have been.
        
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        January 9, 2019 3:04pm
    - howitis
      
      I had the teev on this morning.
      It was on Duke which has multi choice quizzes.
      
      One that cracked me up:-
      What is the maori word for ‘Wednesday’
      Year right!
      The Maori had the Julian calendar sussed in 1450 A.D. with calendars of topless wahines hanging in the 1450 A.D. workshops where they serviced their 1445 model Mk -22 Ford Zephyrs. 🙂
      
      Most ‘Maori words’ today are derivatives of English words as the Maori vocab was teeny (iti) .
      Talk about cultural appropriation.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:59am
  - namron
    
    cmm, few people remember [and no Maoris] that music is a Western creation and the 8 note harmonic scale and everything that results was brought to NZ by the missionaries with their Christian hymns.
    Prior to that, Maoris didn’t “sing”!
    With they way Treaty pay-outs have been going, perhaps there should be some “music payouts” to the rest of us every harmonic song they sing.
    
    Quite fascinating that composers like Mozart, Bach, Handel etc were busy in Europe composing
    some of the greatest songs ever written, but Maoris had only discovered a couple of notes and couldn’t even write them down.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      Had some good “long pork” recipes though.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:13am
    - Ed Snack
      
      There was certainly music before musical notation and writing down of scores was invented. All peoples “discovered” singing and music, but certainly the current method used to write down music and most of the current western musical oeuvre is does indeed conform to a specific “European” invented scheme. I believe the first written musical scores are from 14th century or thereabouts, and in Northern Italy (makes sense at the start of the Renaissance).
      
      Potentially, in the same spirit as the Maori claims for ownership of names and spirituality, Europeans could claim the same over musical expressions in this canon.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:14am
    - cmm
      
      You’re over-egging the pudding.
      
      I’m fairly sure pre-colonial Maori would have sung and make music of sorts since:
      * Everyone else has done so (inc in Africa, Australia etc)
      * They did make rudimentary musical instruments (a whistle-like thing).
      
      But that music would certainly not have had any formal structure (scales etc) which are a European and Asian invention.
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:48am
    - Piniwi
      
      Funny namron they already, well at least some seem to think they do have claim to both song and guitar. Performing in a country pub a very drunk Murri sheila asked : “where’d a honkie learn to play like that” Just told her all my honkie friends play this way as it is the way we always have. Might expect such an individual to be sure “My Old Man’s An All Black” might also be a Murri song.
      
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      January 9, 2019 2:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Certain Maoris have learned that “consultation” results in big rewards.
  
  If taxpayers, ratepayers and shareholders are happy to pay out , then those Maoris are onto a good thing.
  
  The question becomes , who’s the idiot ?
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:22am
- wiseowl
  
  New Zealand businesses should avoid using Maari names at all and indeed if already using a race based name should change to a good english name.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  With all the synthetic Te Reo words created for the modern world, it should be simple enough to develop an algorithm that can spit out Maori-sounding names for New Zealand business.
  The Japanese seem to use it for car names. For example:
  – Runx
  – Vitz
  – Laputa
  – Fuga
  – Legnum
  – Zenra
  
  It must be possible to come up with synthetic Maori names that sound great but don’t mean anything.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:29am
  - dubya
    
    I believe ‘la puta’ means ‘whore’ in Latin America
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:38am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      dubya,
      To be fair, there is a world of difference between “Laputa” and “La puta.”
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not so much really ( ). That’s it..
        
        In case gump and steffy girl are tuned in…It’s a space 😉
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:15am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Indeed, there is a Hayao Myazaki animated film (and a good one) called “Laputa” (Castle in the Sky) in English. That name most probably derives from Jonathan Swift’s Laputa from Gulliver’s Travels.
        
        I doubt that Swift was aware of the Spanish alternate meaning !
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:18am
      - dubya
        
        Either way, best not to tell the wife you’ve ordered one.
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:33am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        On the contrary, Ed. Given Swift’s satiric intent, his attitudes to modernity, his education, his willingness to shock readers, I have no doubt at all that he knew the Spanish meaning.
        
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        January 9, 2019 3:44pm
    - Huevon
      
      That’s true. Another good one is Mitsubishi Pajero – that means masturbator in Spanish ?
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:34am
    - JibberJabber
      
      To get conversant in Latina just binge Narcos and El Chapo on Netflix, Pedejo, Cabrone and of course, the favourite expression of the Democratic party in the US, La Puta Madre.
      Tho` like in Englesi, context provides for differing connotations.
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:22am
  - Jazzby
    
    Brilliant idea! What would Maori make of that? – my bet is that they would still dream up some claim to ownership. After all, they’re the people of myth, aren’t they?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:38am
    - tf78
      
      They will just claim the alphabet.
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:59am
  - SGA
    
    @Odakyu-san
    
    can spit out Maori-sounding names for New Zealand business
    
    Sorry, I’ve missed something here. Are NZ businesses are being asked or required to do this or something?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:50am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I guess some of them would want to apply “Maori sounding” names to their products to differentiate them from foreign competition.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:20am
      - SGA
        
        If it is a good marketing model, why not? Or they could just use a Maori word with the overtones that you want for the product (like the motorcycle industry does sometimes with Japanese words – Kawasaki Ninja or Suzuki Katana). I just put the word “Aroha” into google and apparently a NZ drinks company is already using it.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:49am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Only in the fevered imagination of some Kiwibloggers.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:36am
      - Tall Man
        
        And in the anxious moments of some truly deluded lefties.
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:16am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It would seem unremarkable that some companies in NZ would market their products using “New Zealand” sounding names – and that would often mean words that are or at least appear to be in Maori (perhaps better described as Te Reo for you mma).
        
        Quite common across the world to localize a product for marketing purposes. Not sure why you should be so dismissive of the concept.
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:22am
  - Random T Person
    
    My personal favourite is the Mitsubishi Starion. ‘Not like a mispronunciation of Stallion at all’…
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:24am
  - Ruahine
    
    Odakyu-sen. You missed a couple of other Gems such as Sylphy and Bongo.
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:43am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The great Mazda Bongo van. What a classic!
      
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      January 9, 2019 4:23pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Emina was the one that left me …confused.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And Renowned bone Carver Owen Mapp was told in no uncertain terms yesterday that he didn’t deserve his New Years Honour because he was a pakeha.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/internationally-recognised-bone-carvers-new-year-honours-award-causing-controversy-due-his-race?variant=tb_v_1
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:31am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    This would be like the English complaining about Kazuo Ishiguro winning the Booker Prize for English literature on account of his ethnicity.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuo_Ishiguro
    
    This criticism of Owen Mapp is racist.
    
    Waiting for someone to agree…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I agree and I complained about Owen’s award when it came out as it was a ‘maori only’ perception.
      
      Now I am pleased to back Owen with his title because if pisses those racist maori off.
      
      Sailors around the world. including those with red hair and a propensity to get sunburnt, have been carving things from bone long before maori, with no metal tools, even came ot Godzone!
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:08am
- waikatogirl
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:32am
  - stigie
    
    Yes waikatogirl, if that white experienced bone carver had been brown, there would have been no issues !~
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:43am
- G152
  
  And the bone carver who got an award for his many years at the trade.
  And some sad sack Maori demands that the award should go to him or his cuzzies because…
  Awfully like racism
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:36am
- kloyd0306
  
  All people other than Maori living in cities, towns and rural areas with Maori place-names, pay a token royalty (10c) added to their rates.
  
  Meanwhile, all Maori living in cities, towns and rural areas with English place-names, also pay a token royalty (10c) added to their rates.
  
  Equality – so wonderful, so fair!
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:05am
- KevOB
  
  Maori activists are feeling their oats. As there is is no Maori Nation per se the different tribes are open for exploitation by radicals. I read recently they wanted tikanga instead of our present legal system opening up historic grievances and present action to utu.
  
  What’s not accepted is that Maori and other Polynesian societies had an oral culture and recorded honours in ways which can be remembered. A place name can commemorate a historic significant brave event. We would not name a cheese factory after Winston Churchill or Sir Edmund Hillary without being aware that we were tramping on toes.
  I don’t see this as enforcing Maori culture but basic respect that other people regard some names as reserved with significant meaning attached. Money is not likely to ease the way.
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:46pm
holysheet

Donald Trump wants to ban the sale of pre-shredded cheese. –
He wants to make America grate again.
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January 9, 2019 8:13am
- kiwitoffee
  
  And his favourite rock band is the Grateful Dead?
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:26am
secondcumming

Here’s something ‘The Beige Badger’ might like to sink his teeth into…..

BLOGGING = FLOGGING

Ralf Badawi, a *Saudi blogger*, who was sentenced to 1000 lashes and 10 years in jail for ‘insulting Islam’, has been described by his wife as being near death…..

https://twitter.com/NatashaFatah/status/1082357405751508992

[WARNING: Some may find content disturbing]
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January 9, 2019 8:14am
Peter S

UK Telegraph reporting that Trump has downgraded the EU (and its ambassador) from member state to international organisation.
To add insult, the EU had not been informed.

The EU had spent so much time and energy getting Obama to change the status, and all that has gone in an instant. So sad……..NOT.
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January 9, 2019 8:15am
- peterwn
  
  It does seem strange that EU nations have two bites of the diplomatic cherry (three for the Holy See).
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Just like the Malaysian PM downgrading ardern the liar’s meeting with him to….no meeting and not telling her.
  
  Priceless.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:19am
hullkiwi

This morning from the world of fake news as reported in the Horrid.

PM saves NZ $750k by implementing parliamentary pay freeze. In the words of the Oracle, “so fucking what?, your tertiary fees policy is wasting $1.2bn to increase student numbers by how many?”

But, but, but wait, ehhhhh didn’t first year tertiary student numbers go down last year? Therefore her policy was a big fail! So, in fact rather than saving $750k, the SLG(B) has cost NZ, $1,100,250,000.

Let’s not do this!
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January 9, 2019 8:16am
- sooty
  
  Again. This year!
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:21am
- flipper
  
  Good stuff.
  But did you check with the Tas PS milkybar?
  That smart arse cannot accept that some folks have know more than him and his pea brain.
  But you must get his approval 🙁 or 🙂
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:33am
cmm

South African columnist Max Du Preez laments that 25 years after the end of apartheid, they’re still stuck with the burden of racism.

Well, dude, I have a shock for you. NZ gave Maori the vote in 1852 – 167 years ago – and we still stuck with the burden of racism here.

There will never be enough. It is like the Catholic Original Sin, just for being white.

Likely in another 500 years they will still be ringing the racism bell, if there are any whites left by then.

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/MaxduPreez/when-will-we-be-released-from-the-burden-of-racism-20190102
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January 9, 2019 8:17am
- Lance
  
  On the news last night a blatant racist was let loose to spew forth his bile.
  
  Apparently you can’t receive an honor for bone carving if you are a whitey?
  
  What a cock
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:28am
  - Longknives
    
    Maori invented Bone Carving.
    Didn’t you know?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:34am
    - cmm
      
      Dremel is an old Maori family that goes back for centuries. They managed to sail the seas and get to USA where one started a tool company exporting Maori customary technology.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:47am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      What did Maori carve their bones with before the whiteys provided them with sharp metal tools?
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Used very hard stone adzes/chisels..
        Greenstone/Pounamu preferred, but chert, argillite, basalt etc also used.
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/kohatu-maori-use-of-stone/page-1
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:10am
      - Paulus
        
        Captn M
        Their teeth of course !
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:39am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Obviously with sharp bits of stone. They were a stoneage culture after all.
        
        p.s. I wonder if this flagrantly abusive racist hate speech comment that I just made will get through the moderator? 😀 😀 😀
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Dead slaves teeth. Slaves were quite useful, they were hard workers and providers of protein. You didn’t like it then when you were invited around for “dinner”.
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:22am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Pointless question really, they did quite elaborate carving with stone tools. Metal is obviously superior as a tool, but with sufficient time and application stone works pretty well
        
        A few purists still insist on using the old tools, but mostly people prefer to think that the mechanism is less important than the expression.
        
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        January 9, 2019 11:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        Captain Mainwaring,, you would of done exactly the same if you were in their situation.
        
        Dave Mann, stone age? Neolithic to be exact!
        
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        January 9, 2019 1:43pm
oldpark

Who would believe this . You know you are old when you’re pacemaker makes the garage door go up when you see a pretty girl.Surely not that old. Just Saying. Maybe we could ask NZs self appointed dictator Peters.
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January 9, 2019 8:20am
- sooty
  
  Moral of the story.
  Don’t have a shag in the back seat of the car (if you have a pacemaker) in the garage, or the garage door would fly off its tracks!
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:26am
- G152
  
  Damn. Now we know what gets the old duffer up in the morning
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:40am
hullkiwi

Then from London, Heathrow was shut for a period Tuesday because of drones disrupting aircraft.

When are the UK authorities going to admit that British airports are susceptible to low cost attack by terrorists, causing terror and economic damage using drones?
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January 9, 2019 8:22am
- cmm
  
  An interesting article that puts the rik in perspective.
  
  https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/drones/what-might-happen-if-airliner-hit-small-drone
  
  There’s a lot of sky so it is quite a challenge to actually get a collision between a drone and a plane.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    cmm, the problem with airports like Heathrow is that the runways are east/west with roads at either end. The roads are such that as planes are taking off or coming into land they are no more 25to 100 meters overhead if you are at either end of the runway. I kid you not that at the Western end of Heatgrow’s 2 runways you have plane spotters with very expensive technology parked up photographing planes as they take off. It would be all too easy to interfere with a plane from such spots.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:00am
    - MCos
      
      Wellington Airport is surrounded on all four side by public roads . . . .
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:10am
    - Durden
      
      100 mtrs? So a lonewolf with a vehicle mounted rocket propelled grenade or a man with one in a ute is far more likely to cause more damage?
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    or sucked into the engine vents which could be catastrophic!
    
    https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_01/textonly/s01txt.html
    
    Moderation, in this case,(and others) equals censorship and an abuse of the process IMO
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      “IMO”
      
      Nobody cares about your opinion.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:24am
  - secondcumming
    
    They were saying that drones weighing over 250gm may be banned for private use……just how large are these things now?
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:04am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Drones could be devasting:
    
    FPV drones could be flown into cockpits or engines of planes just before they rotate during night time takeoffs – drone flyer knows where target will be to within a few 10s of square metres on runway (height and lateral location). With 5-10 gps guided drones arrayed across a runway (available off the shelf) you could take a big jet plane down launching from a car 10km away.
    
    If you had access to detonation cord then could hang long line of detcord under drone above end of runway with suitable trigger for when plane hits cord and it wraps around wing.
    
    A big acid spraying or grenade dropping drone (drop bombs on wing root) could take out most aircraft at an airport – do a few billion in damage in minutes.
    
    First person video (FPV) drones could be flown into wheel wells at night to clamp or glue themselves in and await airborne detonation. Airports are noisy, probably wouldn’t be noticed.
    
    But high speed rail is even more vulnerable – not just to drones, eg drop some heavy sheet metal on track just before train arrives. Or dangle a big heavy object from a bridge into its path. A few such derailments would probably spell end of high speed rail.
    
    Cruise ships are also very vulnerable a smallish boat with improvised ramming attachment or 5-10 limpet mines planted around water line at night…
    
    Or a paraglider dropping a 100kg nail bomb into a packed stadium…
    
    Or a van with a big high pressure steam filled boiler in the back, if broken open by a few shotgun shells it is essentially a huge bomb (no need to source explosives, just steel and a welder).
    
    Or a Concrete mixer driven through Xmas in the park…
    
    Or someone deciding to spread ebola to the west.
    
    It is impossible to anticipate and prevent all the myriad easy attack vectors. All we can do is focus on intercepting perpetrators and be thankful that the terrorists are mostly thick.
    
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    January 9, 2019 12:46pm
    - MickMac
      
      or make mistakes.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:05pm
- kiwitoffee
  
  I suspect the drone was flown from Brussels.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:30am
  - holysheet
    
    nah wait for someone to blame Trump
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:40am
  - freethinker
    
    I didn’t know Junker had wings.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:54am
    - Random T Person
      
      Junkers did, in WW2…
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:31am
- GazzaW
  
  …….as is Auckland Airport to anyone with an axe to grind about a new runway, flight paths or the nearby housing development. What would the NZ authorities do? Auckland Airport is so Health & Safety focussed that they totally evacuate the airport if someone burns the toast in the lunchroom. Are there any effective deterrents in place? I believe it’s five years jail in the UK. Time for urgent action by the Government or a private member’s Bill from National.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:55am
  - peterwn
    
    Suggested to a friend that such drone operators be pilloried in the terminal building with lots of rotten fruit available. He thought something harder should be provided.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:14am
Happychappy

Not much comment from the Deputy PM but MSM and the Spinoff seem to be trying to push the story of him sueing the Crown for 1.8 million dollars for the release of his Pension details that made the headlines in July 2018. So is or has NZ Firsts internal Polls been showing that they are still well below the 5% threshold and he needs to have old story’s republished again to feed the push that National are the nasty Party that spread the rumour or is he about to file more claims to try and con the public again.
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January 9, 2019 8:25am
- sooty
  
  Shane spreading his wad not working?
  Goldcard holders going to get some largess shortly.
  I know there is calls to give them free bags to replace supermarket bags.
  I just hope that they are a good quality to use on the aeroplane for overseas trips!
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:33am
- hullkiwi
  
  I agree with the thrust of your post, but it was July 2017, not July 2018.
  
  Time is moving on and the Toxic Gnome’s case is looking more doubtful the more time moves on.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:37am
- michael_s2
  
  We should not forget that the first public comment on Peters’ signing for a benefit level he wasn’t entitled to came from Peters himself. He may claim others were spreading rumours. He went public.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Correct, a strategy to get him in the media. Typical of the scrote.
    
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    January 9, 2019 12:46pm
- Bill felt
  
  I am pretty sure that the legal case has been stopped as there was, and is, no case to answer for. But no formal announcement has been made. Winston will make an announcement when the timing is right for him.
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:30pm
secondcumming

no delete function
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January 9, 2019 8:27am
Morrissey

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John Banks.
Just want to keep this lowlife’s name out there.
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January 9, 2019 8:29am
- Happychappy
  
  Darren Hughes a low life that chased a naked lad out of another Labour MP’s house and down their Street and should be in Morrissey’s top five but conveniently is left off the list.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:45am
  - starboard
    
    A certain ex gay liarbor MP used to frequent Cambodia with his gay partner and seek out young men to slip it up their Kaisers. He should be added also.
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:48am
    - Inandout
      
      Maybe the ‘member’ had a shaven head and acted for a peninsular electorate?
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ex gay or ex member……..
      
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      January 9, 2019 12:47pm
    - GazzaW
      
      …….and allegedly a young party member who had a propensity for underage girls at a Labour Party weekend camp. To be continued………
      
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      January 9, 2019 2:01pm
  - sooty
    
    Morrisey Breen! Have to keep his name out there at the head of the deviants list.
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:54am
  - stigie
    
    But Morris needs you to find evidence before he puts him on his list Happychappy.
    Very fucking convenient all right..?
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:02am
  - MickMac
    
    err didn’t the lad wake up to his ministrations, before jumping up and fleeing the scene naked?
    And was it ascertained that he went to bed partly clothed?
    
    Darren was whisked off to NY and Aunty Helen and the lads family were Labour people??
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:07pm
- starboard
  
  Morrissey
  
  another mouth farter, M Breen.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:45am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’d take John Banks over you any day of the week Morrissey.
  
  It must be awful waking up every morning full of hate, spite and envy. Your glass-three-quarters-empty worldview isn’t healthy.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:52am
Morrissey

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GROPERS
No. 66: R Kelly

…You learn that Kelly used the abortion of survivor Lizzette Martinez, who met him aged 17, as creative fodder to write Michael Jackson’s hit “You Are Not Alone.” You hear from Demetrius Smith, the simpering former personal assistant who squirms through his memories of watching Kelly, at 27, marry 15-year-old Aaliyah; he never explicitly says who forged the documents to state her age as 18.

Those who read Kelly’s 2012 memoir Soulacoaster: The Diary of Me will already know that he has said he was sexually abused as a child by an older woman for several years (“I remember it feeling weird. I remember feeling ashamed.”) You’ll have seen the fans who backed Kelly during his much delayed child abuse images case in 2008. But hearing directly from former fan Jerhonda Pace flips that perspective anew. She met Kelly outside the courthouse aged 14, and says he later emotionally abused her in his Atlanta home, slapping, choking and spitting on her. Essentially, Surviving R Kelly brings to life the women whose voices DeRogatis quoted in print for years – most recently and vividly with his 2017 BuzzFeed investigation about the “sex cult” that women allege Kelly runs. …

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/07/surviving-r-kelly-documentary-lifetime-what-we-can-learn

https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/01/shark-tank-judge-advises-r-kelly-to-kill-himself-in-jail/

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
See the whole collection HERE….
https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/gropers-no-66-r-kelly-nov-9-2019.html
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January 9, 2019 8:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:01am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Capitalisation: twenty cents. It’s over-valued.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:28am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck off you pervy cunt.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:12am
  - Morrissey
    
    You heard him, Cap’n—fuck off!
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:28am
- Ed Snack
  
  Bit racist criticizing R Kelly morrissey, you whitesplaining again ?
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:01pm
Odakyu-sen

I have noticed that the people who advocate changes in society are almost always the people who would be least disadvantaged by the changes they propose.

What is it in the mentality of such people that they hate their fellow countrymen so much? Have they no sense of “nation”?

(As Japan wrestles with the issue of letting in foreign workers. I suggest it better to preserve your culture and let the market cause wages to rise.)

But then, what do you do about the inefficient aspects of Japanese production (namely farming)? Is it moral to throw rural communities under the bus so that people in Tokyo can buy cheaper American rice or Chinese vegetables?
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January 9, 2019 8:38am
- SGA
  
  I have noticed that the people who advocate changes in society are almost always the people who would be least disadvantaged by the changes they propose.
  
  It’s also likely the case that the people who advocate the status quo are almost always the people who are least disadvantaged by the status quo. It’s probably a two way street that way, human nature being what it is?
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:22am
- stephieboy
  
  Odakyu-sen, veiled attempt at traditional Japanese trade protection advocacy?
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:38am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    stephieboy,
    
    I am in principle in favor of freedom of trade and the liberalization and opening of markets. On the other hand, I have seen first-hand the destruction to commuities that can result in the opening up of markets and the removal of protection.
    
    It’s a tricky problem. No protection and rural communities wither and die. Too much protection and the communities develop a sense of entitlement and make no effort to modernize or increase efficiency.
    
    What to do?
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:35am
JIV

Apparently Simon Doull isnt a Climate Change believer.

Stuff briefly had an article highlighting his off the cuff comments and even opened up comments on the article. Possibly the first AGW article that has allowed comments in months. The curious fact about the comments was, only alarmist comments were allowed. Some received over 50 down ticks, so you can imagine more than that were reading the comments and probably submitting their own views. However only 8 AGW comments got past the arbitrator as they agreed with the alarmist newspaper. So they closed the comments section.

It must infuriate them that so many readers disagree with their “end is nigh” belief

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/109793397/simon-doull-dismisses-climate-change-as-rubbish-in-odi-cricket-commentary
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January 9, 2019 8:39am
- Morrissey
  
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  Apparently Simon Doull isnt [sic] a Climate Change believer.
  
  Translation: Apparently Simon Doull doesn’t accept science.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:43am
  - stigie
    
    Like the rest of us, i don’t think Simon Doull denies climate change, it’s what little ole NZ can do about it that’s got people buggered without making us a poorer country..?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:54am
    - starboard
      
      Doull for PM !
      
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      January 9, 2019 5:28pm
  - JIV
    
    I must have missed something. Can you clearly explain the “science” of climate change please.
    
    Interestingly my kid was doing some research on global warming and gave up trying to google the “science” because all he got were alarmist articles. He could find the greenhouse effect but not a clear and concise explanation of the scientific theory of global warming; with feedback loops defined, hotspots identified and all verified by actual observations.
    
    He was also curious as to why theres not a discovers name attached the the theory. Like Newton’s laws. How come there isnt a great scientist lauded as the savior of the human race?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:56am
    - Poppa
      
      Climate change is the new religion. It is designed as a means to control the people in much the same way as religion was started for the same purpose
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:07am
    - stephieboy
      
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      JIV, your kid could most productively and usefully begin with these highly informative NZ Royal Society articles,
      
      https://royalsociety.org.nz/what-we-do/our-expert-advice/all-expert-advice-papers/climate-change-implications-for-new-zealand/
      
      The scientific consensus about climate begins with these Nobel Laureates which will help to persuade him ( but not necessarily you as climate denial is a bit of jaggery pokerry )
      
      https://www.lindau-nobel.org/tag/climate-change/
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:30am
      - stephieboy
        
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        “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
        
        Is this yet another belated attempt at censorship by a certain cabal of posters on KB?
        
        Come out and identify yourselves!
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:34am
      - Swifty
        
        It happens to all of us Stiffy – it is a bug in the software apparently.
        
        Don’t be so paranoid.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:16am
      - sooty
        
        HA, HAA, HHHHAAAAA. You are funny stephie!
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:26am
      - JIV
        
        Youve linked another alarmist website and not an explanation of the scientific theory of global warming. There are numerous publications explaining other scientific theories in both technical terms and for the layman, but nothing on the theory of global warming.
        
        If your only evidence is “oh look its sunny” or “someone said theres a consensus” then thats not a theory or science.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:55am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        “Come out and identify yourselves” all you who would censor Stephieboy’s comments.
        Well the rest of us put our heads together and grabbed one of those anti-Trump algorithms that Google and Facebook use, modified it to censor your posts SB, et viola – all your comments are held up in moderation while we congratulate each other for our infinite cleverness.
        It’s all very Dark Web, so no names can be mentioned. 😉
        
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        January 9, 2019 7:45pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      JIV,
      What a great opportunity for your son to develop his critical thinking skills.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:35am
      - JIV
        
        Indeed. He got massively frustrated and now sees why the theory is questioned by those with an inquisitive mind.
        
        People that like being told what to think are happy with the theory.
        
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        January 9, 2019 10:57am
    - Niz
      
      Jim Hansen?
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:43am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think it might be quite rare now for seminal scientific principles to be discovered and formulated by single individuals.
      Without trawling the webshites, I cannot tell whether your son has come up with a specific denialist talking point that has not hitherto been made.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:45am
      - MickMac
        
        seminal?
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:13pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    How long before you manufacture something so he can feature in ur ~~Daisy~~Turdcutter Sports Inc?
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:49am
- freethinker
  
  Stuff as a reliable source of accurate factually reported news is irrelevant.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:58am
- labrator
  
  Your first mistake was reading Stuff.
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:42pm
Manolo

Higher taxes anyone?
https://www.atr.org/dems-eye-33-corporate-rate-hike

House Budget Chairman John Yarmuth (D-Ky.) has announced that the forthcoming budget blueprint will call for a 33% corporate income tax rate increase by hiking the rate from 21 to 28%.

This would make the U.S. a less competitive place to do business and make the U.S. statutory rate higher than many developed competitors.
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January 9, 2019 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, the facts are certain things have to be paid for.
  
  Notably the President’s border wall and especially that limitless black whole of expenditure, defence!
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:04am
  - starboard
    
    “Faaaarrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttt “..
    
    You really are a fooool, shariaboy.
    
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    January 9, 2019 5:21pm
Manolo

Deport the invaders:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6564707/Police-launch-hunt-migrants-abandoned-inflatable-boat-Kent-coast.html

Eight migrants have been detained after a dinghy was found abandoned on a remote Kent beach this morning.
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January 9, 2019 8:48am
- JibberJabber
  
  Katy H tells it like it is,
  
  https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=so5O1_1546799777
  
  InFuckingSanity
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:52am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Crikey, I knew the UK’s welfare for the Islamic invaders was generous, but didn’t realise it was that generous. No wonder they seek to flee war-torn and tyrannical France.
    
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    January 9, 2019 11:33am
Lee C

Pete George stood up for something he believes in. he took (and takes) the time, trouble and effort to try and improve the world in some small way.
The majority of us come to KB to spew a bit of bile and then return to our smug, hermetically-sealed little silos.
Pete George, I salute you and your efforts, even if I don;t share many of your views. The Standard may censor by literally cutting you out of the conversation, but I feel my moral and political values set the bar a tad higher than that.
I’m glad I was offered an opportunity to sneer (I made about 7 seconds into the speech – thanks to the gift of being Attention-Deficit ), but actually, this became an opportunity to laud someone who is at least prepared to get off his arse and give it a go.
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January 9, 2019 8:50am
- GazzaW
  
  flipper tried that yesterday here on KB and got pilloried for his efforts because his writing wasn’t up to the ‘desired’ standards.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True. The ‘desired’ standards for a post of coherency, decency and intelligibility were clearly not met by flipper.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:14am
    - GazzaW
      
      …….and who’s the judge of those standards? DPF found them acceptable and it’s 100% his call – not yours, not mine and certainly not any member of the coherency police. Criticise the content by all means but not the manner in which it was delivered.
      
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      January 9, 2019 3:50pm
  - labrator
    
    Tried what exactly? He wasn’t pilloried at all. There was valid criticism of his writing style. Some sentences literally didn’t make sense as written. I got through it with effort I wouldn’t normally give to anonymous blog postings. I appreciated the point but that doesn’t make it good writing.
    
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    January 9, 2019 12:39pm
- brett68
  
  Lots of baby boomers on both this blog and the standard.
  
  Boomers are very tribal and conformist they passionately hate people who don’t fit into a particular box, they find them threatening and annoying.
  
  This is hardly surprising when you consider how monocultural and traditional New Zealand was 40 odd years ago.
  
  Thank god that attitude has basically disappeared with later generations.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:13am
  - GazzaW
    
    brett68? I assume that the 68 refers to your year of birth. Coming up to 51 years old then and on the downhill road to 60? It’s a bit of a bastard realising that you’re getting old isn’t it? Rest assured you’re no different to the rest of us and that you sit perfectly in your own particular conformist box.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:44am
- fernglas
  
  Hear hear. I think the NZ expression is to play the ball, not the man. Most of the noise on here is from men with no balls playing at being the man.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I, too, am a supporter of Pete.
  I like some of the stuff he covers on his blog.
  I really like his slogan:
  Free speech for those who don’t threaten free speeech
  
  But there is a problem…
  I hinted at it yesterday…
  On at least 3 occasions I have been abused/defamed after I have put up a post on his blog. I have informed him of those 3 incidents.
  
  I follow blog rules, I don’t abuse folks…but clearly my views upset other folks who are prepared to stalk me across blogs.
  
  Blogs suffer from the “Tragedy of the Commons” or Karl Popper’s Tolerance of the intolerant paradox.
  
  Pete has created a site where abusers can flourish, just as they do at other sites.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Are we getting the underground COL troll brigade at work over several sites they may not like?
    Don’t expect them to reveal themselves. Some of the pro-COL team act by stealth and on their own initiative. Have encountered them previously. They believe anything they do is right and just for their cause.
    
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    January 9, 2019 3:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Lee C , good one! As you suggest many come to KB and try to turn it into a feral children’s playground, with their vitriol of hate and abuse!
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    Day after day after day you come here and do nothing but slur and pick fights with other posters – and then whine about abuse.
    
    You have got to be the least self-aware poster here.
    
    Think about it.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:20am
  - pentwig
    
    pot – kettle stoopidthing
    sigh and sigh again
    
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    January 9, 2019 1:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well said. I think Nostradamus could put his not inconsiderable archival research and writing skills into more productive comments that hassling poor old Pete George or doxxing stephieboy.
  But perhaps he is just like me and many others here. As you say:
  
  The majority of us come to KB to spew a bit of bile and then return to our smug, hermetically-sealed little silos.
  
  That’s me too.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:50am
  - dirty harry
    
    Mouth farter extradonaire..that’s you.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:26am
- Philview
  
  I haven’t been following what Pete George stands for but I came to Kiwiblog not to spill bile but out of frustration of the total mainstream media political bias. It dawned on me when the NZ media started ramping the stories when Trump was on the campaign trail that he was up there with the most evil human beings in history.
  
  The NZ media frenzy about Russian involvement in elections overseas but very lazy about looking into some unusual meetings here.
  
  Then we had “Jacindamania”. What the hell is that and who is pulling the strings and coordinating the media? Why is she untouchable?
  
  The NZ media after deriding Nigel Farage every day for years have a coordinated blackout of his visit here in September. Weird!
  
  The media have been tearing Simon Bridges apart from the day he stepped into the job. Why is that? A youthful leader, inexperienced and now getting the blame for all decisions made by the National Government in the last 30 years.
  
  At least Kiwiblog is a place for people making the same observations to try and connect the dots.
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:54am
  - DigNap15
    
    You forgot their crusade on Climate Change and pushing Maori language down our throats.
    F..k them I say.
    
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    January 9, 2019 12:39pm
    - starboard
      
      I concur, sir.
      
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      January 9, 2019 5:15pm
    - MickMac
      
      I concur.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:16pm
- stigie
  
  “Pete George stood up for something he believes in”
  
  Just the same as Dad believes that transgender cops have pursued him and have him stopped..?
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    I believe he stands up for something more substantial than that ie the principles of free speech.
    
    BTW apparently not universally accepted by certain KB posters as I’ve experienced this morning so far.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:08am
    - Swifty
      
      Don’t be a wanker.
      
      It’s a bug in the KB software – every comment I’ve made today has gone into moderation. Don’t slur us just because you don’t know a bug when you come across one.
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:39am
    - srylands
      
      I think the fact that you have been allowed to post circa 15,000 comments here says a lot about free speech.
      
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      January 9, 2019 12:24pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Diddums….
      
      ardern is a liar…
      
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      January 9, 2019 1:30pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Not so rare footage of Stephie on his way to St Lukes,
    
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=C3b32_1546890494
    Great soundtrack, looking good Steph.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:32am
slightlyrighty

I had what I can only describe as an epiphany last night.

In 1979, Monty Python released Life of Brian. It was roundly condemned by Arch Conservatives like Mary Whitehouse, Malcolm Muggeridge and our own Patricia Bartlett for it’s content.

One of my favourite parts of that movie is when we are introduced to the Peoples Front of Judea, where Stan is ridiculed for wanting to have babies and be known as Loretta.

It struck me that this narrative, in this day and age, would be roundly condemned by what I now refer to as “The New Puritans” who are governed not by faith, but politics.

They are just as bad, but are now armed with the greatest weapon known to those intent on social change. Social Media.

The Bartletts, Whitehouses and others were easier to ignore in the 70’s. Put one foot wrong in this day and age and there are thousands of people who will happy line up and publically destroy you in a matter of hours.

We must fight the New Puritan Movement, or at least help them to take a joke.
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January 9, 2019 9:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think your epihany might apply equally to people on the other sides of whatever issues you are about, and that they could readily see you as the ‘New Puritan’, or whatever.
  Welcome to the many debates where different sides feel that their interlocutors are puritans, libertines, fascists, communists, [insert epithet of choice], etc, etc.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:18am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The issue that I am trying to highlight is that when you take on the same Tactics as those you oppose, are you furthering your cause?
    
    The #MeToo movement is a prime example of a movement that goes too far. Harvey Weinstien deserves everything coming his way, but the backlash against Matt Damon for suggesting that there is a difference between a lewd comment and rape, and the response to each should be measured accordingly, even though both are wrong was nonsensical.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:43am
secondcumming

From the *Family Album* 😎

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwG4g6qWwAInaZE.jpg
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January 9, 2019 9:11am
- Tall Man
  
  How did you get a “family” photo from ardern the liar’s parents?
  
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  January 9, 2019 1:29pm
- Ed Snack
  
  What a woossie, that’s only a half-pint !
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:08pm
The Heat

The current system works fine.

Moderation by hand is a time consuming task. It doesn’t scale. The only way to do it on a blog this size is with rules and a community feedback mechanism.

The number of comments show how successful this strategy has been. The conversation in here flows freely and there is wide leeway where even left-wing trolls can get heard, albeit later hidden, if they are not adding anything to the discussion.

Will some people be silenced under such a system? Yes, but given the parameters, you really have to run very wide, and have done so over time in order to build a poor reputation. You should take it as a signal that this isn’t the home for you and you may find your audience elsewhere.
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January 9, 2019 9:14am
big bruv

I see that Bradbury wants to purge the public service of all those who do not offer unswerving loyalty to dear leader. Any who do not follow the dictates of dear leader will be sacked.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/01/09/hey-jacinda-a-mother-of-4-living-in-a-tent-wasnt-your-government-gonna-kinda-do-something-about-that/
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January 9, 2019 9:38am
- dirty harry
  
  Sheesh..9 looooong years of neglect by that other crowd…
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:23am
- srylands
  
  “the neoliberal Wellington bureaucratic elites know they just have to wait it out before National are back in charge again”
  
  He is seriously deluded.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:41am
- GoVege
  
  Somebody needs to explain to young parents that it’s a good idea to try and buy a home to house your kids BEFORE you have too many.
  We got turned down for a home loan once for having 4 kids….despite having almost 50% deposit.
  We eventually got around it by saying our eldest was staying with relatives.
  Just as we were signing the paperwork with the mortgage broker, eldest son arrives home from school… 🙂
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:59am
- peterwn
  
  Trouble is, this works both ways and if he got his way NZ would be like the USA with many jobs on the line with a change of President (ie the Executive).
  It is interesting that the nature of the NZ Public Service has not changed much since a major reform over 100 years ago aimed at stamping out corruption.
  Oh by the way, Ginny Anderson, how is your fight against corruption in Government going? Waiting for you to speak out about Shane Jones.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  Bradbury is a fuckwit.
  enough said.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:39am
  - sooty
    
    Which one Martin or Martyn?
    
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    January 9, 2019 5:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/invisible-children
  
  A very interesting read if you’re interested.
  
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  January 9, 2019 1:36pm
- Komata
  
  bb
  
  For Mr Bradbury to turn on the SLG is quite remarkable; From ‘fan’ to ‘anti’ in 12 short months…
  
  Long may it continue.
  
  As the SLG only gets her news at 1800, she will, of course not even know he wrote anything…
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:58pm
MCos

Outlandish promises & outright lies on the campaign trail to get attention and stoke the base become a catastrophe when attempted to fulfill in office.

Garry Kasparov

Apply that to whom so ever you like
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January 9, 2019 9:39am
Nostradamus

Hamilton assault accused granted bail, loses suppression

A Hamilton 26-year-old charged with assaulting a man who later died has lost his bid for name suppression. … [The man’s lawyer] told Judge Paul Mabey QC his client was keen to pursue name suppression due to a furore over social media since his arrest that a man had died and he had only been charged with assault. However, the judge reminded Tran that to qualify for further name suppression the applicant had to endure “extreme hardship”. After a short break, [the lawyer] abandoned the bid and the suppression lapsed.

At first I was wondering why the victim died but there was only an assault charge. Then I read on:

]The] Police prosecutor … said police were awaiting further forensic reports before deciding on whether to lay any further charges.

So potentially a more serious charge like manslaughter may follow.

But, getting back to the name suppression issue, there seems to be an increasing trend for people to claim name suppression on some ground relating to social media. If the test is “extreme hardship”, then there surely wouldn’t be many cases (if any) where social media creates extreme hardship grounds.

And in relation to the Grace Millane case:

The man applied for interim name suppression when he appeared in the Auckland District Court for his first appearance on Monday. Despite Judge Evangelos Thomas refusing to grant the application, the man’s lawyer, Ian Brookie, indicated he would appeal the decision to the High Court – invoking an automatic 20 working day suppression order.

I believe (on a quick calculation) that the 20-working-day period ends tomorrow. If he doesn’t file an appeal application, then his name won’t be suppressed.
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January 9, 2019 9:41am
- alex Masterley
  
  The court is open for filings but not hearings following the Christmas break.
  I suspect any application for name suppression will be made tomorrow to take advantage of the Christmas break and the period between tomorrow and the resumption of the court’s sitting days at the beginning of February.
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:42am
The Heat

Stuff double down:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/109799207/national-party-must-stop-holding-kiwis-ransom-with-climate-change-outlook

It starts with the line “I believe it is high time for the National Party to retire their climate villain persona. ”

What “climate villain persona”? https://www.national.org.nz/climate_change

“Let me be clear – if we get an insufficient draft Zero Carbon Bill next year it will be because the National Party is using the futures of all Kiwis as a political football. An ego-driven, point scoring game.”

Or it could be because they see the legislation as being flawed, in which case it is up to LabGreenFirst to draft more effective legislation. Legislation that makes a positive difference.

“It’s not just drought either. Add to that list severe flooding and storms – remember the Edgecombe flooding and Tropical Cyclone Gita? And also coastal erosion – have you been to the Hawkes Bay or West Coast lately? Climate change isn’t a future thing, it’s here now.”

That’s also called “weather”, and we’ve been having weather for some time now. The implication is that the NZ parliament can pass a bill and stop the current weather trend happening. It won’t. So, perhaps adapting to the natural process of climate change is a better idea?

“climate denialism is so very last century.”

It’s a shame that insults and weaponised science are so this century.

“What’s worse is that Simon Bridges, leader of the National Party, is now attempting to give false hope to communities affected by the halt on new oil and gas exploration permits by saying he would reopen the exploration permits if he got re-elected.”

Why “false” hope? We have a gas and oil requirement and if we don’t meet it locally then it will be imported. No, there is no substitute for oil and gas. No, solar and wind do not come remotely close.

“The residents should guide these changes and a safe space needs to be created for all to share their opinions. ”

Like Stuff, perhaps? It seems “safe space” might be code for “no opinions questioning the AGW political agenda”

“We need a strong law to guide us towards the solutions to all these problems; one that has genuine support from across the political spectrum”

Sure. Let’s all agree NZ makes no difference to global climate, so as the climate and weather patterns change, as they always do, we adapt. Yeah, didn’t think so.

“Current and future generations will harshly judge those who stand in the way of reducing New Zealand contributions to climate change”

Or they may pay it no mind at all, as it passed into history.

“So if you have a problem with ambitious climate action, Mr Bridges and Mr Muller, then step aside. ”

They aren’t the government. If they have a problem with the legislation I – as a National voter – expect them to oppose it. I do not want to see them sign us up to costs with no benefit and pointless virtue signalling.
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January 9, 2019 9:41am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thank you for that well presented rebuttal of the stupid Stuff piece.
  
  You have a good mind and high make absolute sense. Well written.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:37am
- Ruahine
  
  The writer is likely to be a future List Candidate for Labour and or the Greens. Note the new narrative. Climate change is caused by the National Party.
  Just like the rise in radioactivity in the atmosphere was always caused by US Nuclear testing. Never the Soviet Union.
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  stuff…the media outlet for coalition sewage……
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:59pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have stopped reading Stuff because of their attitude towards dissenting views on Climate Change. I would urge every kiwiblog reader to do the same.
  
  Much better news can be obtained via BBC, Fox and Reuters etc anyway.
  Start the Stuff boycott now.
  
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  January 9, 2019 1:04pm
  - MickMac
    
    We have done too.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:21pm
MCos

He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.

George Bernard Shaw
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January 9, 2019 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  GBS
  
  Admirer of Stalin and Hitler.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:32am
  - GazzaW
    
    & ardent socialist.
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:37pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Unacceptable these days, should be he/she/xer/{your personal pronoun of choice}
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:13pm
The Heat

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January 9, 2019 9:43am
Inandout

You mustn’t shoot drones down because they will come after you. They will sight you hiding in the thick bush, they will come after you.
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January 9, 2019 9:50am
mikenmildagain

Just testing. Comments are goin into moderation and the old fix of deleting and reposting the comment isn’t working.
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January 9, 2019 9:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:08am
- JibberJabber
  
  Relax, all my compendious, erudite and profound comments have been going into moderation all morning.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:40am
- labrator
  
  It would be nice if there was a whitelist. Apparently all my contributions today are in moderation because some dingbat has hit the report button… Takes the fun out of coming here.
  
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  January 9, 2019 2:11pm
freethinker

Reading Zerohedge this morning I noted reports of serious Yellow vest riots in several French cities and a link to similar protests in 4 UK cities, have not seen any NZ media reports of these incidents, why am I not surprised? The French situation seems to be developing into an attempt to overthrow Macron and his “Government” – a reprise of the last French revolution perhaps?
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January 9, 2019 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  Great isn’t it?
  
  The Frog Establishment celebrate murdering their king and constantly bang on about the “values” of the Revolution , but then complain when Les Vulgars put into action those same republican “values”.
  
  Their national anthem encourages blood letting , so let there be blood!
  
  ‘ Aux armes, citoyens
  Formez vos bataillons
  Marchons, marchons!
  Qu’un sang impur
  Abreuve nos sillons!’
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:31am
- fernglas
  
  Unless it has something to do with the Royal family or an impoverished person in South Auckland, it is deemed to not be of interest to the average New Zealander and therefore unworthy of online publication. They’re probably right about the average New Zealander.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:44am
- simpleton1
  
  Italy stirs. 🙂
  
  “I support honest citizens who protest against a governing president [who is] against his people,” said the Italian deputy prime minister. ….
  Di Maio said that politics, in both France and Italy, “has become deaf to the needs of citizens who have been kept out of the most important decisions affecting the people.” ….
  …. “The cry that rises strongly from the French squares is ultimately one of ‘let us participate!’ ”
  https://www.rt.com/news/448247-salvini-backs-yellow-vests-macron/
  
  The catch is who and how these protests be misused.
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:47am
  - simpleton1
    
    Another “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” at 10:47 though I know later it will feed through the system.
    
    It also seems then not show other comments even after, until out of moderation that leaves one in a “time warp”.
    
    Was this instigated or influenced by Pete George? 🙂
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:50am
    - simpleton1
      
      A “time warp” for me, as can not see any comments in any post since the initial 10:50AM
      About an hour I think then this will come out.
      I have stop started my computer refreshed in case a bug had come through, but to no avail.
      
      Just wish that some like Pete George would not interfere with the “moderation” system that Kiwiblog initially had when it is none of his business. 🙁
      
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      January 9, 2019 11:35am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The 1958 revolution,you mean?
  
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  January 9, 2019 11:12am
- simpleton1
  
  In moderation plus “time warp” of no other comments, except mine, for over 2 hours now.
  “Old Time Warp” is the pits.
  
  Well one day or one hour it will be out of moderation.
  If this is happening to others, then there could be a big back log, and perhaps everything is lost?
  I have noticed that others must have been in moderation as the “time stamp” does not place them in the “timely order”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBiHJxGxz1g
  1 min. 58 secs.
  “The good guys, the bad guys (French yellow-vest)”
  
  Just hate that these lovely young French people being suppressed. 😉
  Enjoyable song by some young and fresh French people 🙂 Might even entice me to visit France.
  
  Please do not suppress or moderate this French Free Speech. 🙂
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:47pm
secondcumming

DO WE GET THESE HORRIBLE THINGS HERE?

The BBC reports that a monster*fatberg* has to be removed from the sewers in Devon. It’s described as being ….. ‘a block of hardened fat, oil. and wet-wipes and more than 64 meters long!!’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwZAmcZW0AAxnHO.jpg

Personally, I’ve never used ‘Wet-Wipes’, but I have heard *Mike Hosking* say that he uses them regularly.
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January 9, 2019 10:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  monster*fatberg* thought he was living in Queenstown these days?
  
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  January 9, 2019 10:36am
- srylands
  
  Yeah we do but less people means smaller. IIRC there were reports of one in Wellington a couple of years back. 2 to 3 metres.
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:22pm
- mark15
  
  Is that nicky hagar’s arm?
  
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  January 9, 2019 12:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yep, but here call it the coalition….of liars…
  
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  January 9, 2019 1:01pm
kowtow

Who knew that turtles weren’t murdered by poor people’s plastic bags ?

‘ The Government’s plastic bag ban could affect the poorest the hardest, according to advice from the Ministry for the Environment.
To mitigate this problem, the ministry recommended people with Gold and Community services cards receive reusable bags for free.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/ministry-suggests-free-reusable-bags-low-income-people
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January 9, 2019 10:41am
sooty

Would the public of NZ except a male Prime Minister that spent his time travelling the countryside visiting every kindergarden and not turning up for work in parliament?
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January 9, 2019 10:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Except him from what?
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:32pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Sooty, if you are wondering what mm is referring to it should have been ‘accept’. And no, I doubt a male PM would get away with it with the voting public. But then he would only be the father of a baaybeee…
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:05pm
GoVege

Can’t understand how Kevin Spacey managed to grope a young waiter for a whole 3 minutes.
When I was a teenager, about one second’s groping would have been the max before I made my escape… 🙂
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January 9, 2019 10:52am
- GazzaW
  
  You obviously didn’t get any training at your local Labour Youth camp GoVege.
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:40pm
- RF
  
  GoVege.
  
  Thinking back to those days it was pure pleasure .. with the opposite sex.
  
  It still brings a contented smile to my face.
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:48pm
big bruv

Karel Sroubek.
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Just in case anybody has forgotten.
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January 9, 2019 11:27am
- sooty
  
  No one has. You can bet that the slease has not either. I would say he would be shitting bricks, knowing the best he can hope for is a seat up the back and the worse is a by election.
  
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  January 9, 2019 5:39pm
simpleton1

Test to see if Pete George is still posting and sending me to moderation and keeping me “time warp” of not even seeing new comments.
That is real free speech suppression. 🙂
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January 9, 2019 11:37am
Dave Mann

I think we have the same problem here in Kiwiland. Its called a Marama Davidson.

p.s. That was a gratuitous insult which probably won’t get past moderation…. but who cares, lets live dangerously!
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January 9, 2019 11:51am
skyblue

Has Clarke Gayford ordered any new lawnmowers in 2019 yet?
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January 9, 2019 12:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  skyblue, nope! The refurbished two-stroke Masport is doing just fine.
  
  Next…?
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:38pm
Jack5

The witch hunt against former British soldiers continues. Is this is what has inspired Hager the Horrible and the Leftist MSM to champion Afghan civilians against the record of our soldiers in Afghanistan?

The British legal profession is stained by members’ witch hunts against British servicemen, especially those in Iraq.

Behind the Iraq witch hunt, the British legal firm, Leigh Day, has been paid in legal costgs the British equivalent of 20.8 million NZ dollars by the British Ministry of Defence over 330 civil claims of alleged mistreatment of Iraqi civilians by British servicemen. The co-founder and head of the firm, Martyn Day, has told a British Parliamentary committee that he expected to succeeed in about 475 more cases.

The Ministry has already paid $NZ37.8 million to Iraqi claimants.

Day admitted to the Parliamentary committee that he had never visited Iraq, and that of his firm’s 500 staff only one member had ever travelled to the country, and on only one occasion.

As well as the civil cases pursued by Leigh Day, veterans have faced criminal investigations over Iraq. Cases were brought by disgraced human rights lawyer Phil Shiner, who represented Iraqi clients some of whose claims of abuse were later found to be lies. Shiner was struck off for dishonesty after being found guilty of a series of allegations of professional misconduct. A series of criminal inquiries into hundreds of British troops in Iraq was closed down.

British veterans who served in Northern Ireland are also under investigation for incidents that occurred as long as 40 years ago.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/08/lawyers-witch-hunt-british-troops-earn-11m/
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January 9, 2019 12:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s really the thin end of the wedge when soldiers are actually held to account for breaking the law.
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:32pm
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    Soldiers are usually accountable to military law.
    
    Easy-money crooks like Shiner and Leigh Day piss people off, Milky. And so do Leftist activists who use civilian law and the media to hound soldiers for political purposes.
    
    War is a dirty business, but Leftist activists and crooks in liberal societies identify their own legal systems and Left-leaning, sissified media as ways to capitalise on it.
    
    In some ways, holding soldiers to account for civilian deaths in wars, is like holding Ministry of Transport clerks responsible for road deaths.
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Britain has PC fucked itself big time.
  They have only themselves to blame. Voting for the same traitors year in and out.
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:47pm
Keeping Stock

Is it just me, or has no one commented here for more than two hours?
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January 9, 2019 12:39pm
Inandout

Jacinda is being very quiet of late. Mmmmm, what’s up Doc?
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January 9, 2019 12:50pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy is on holiday having worked extremely hard over the past few weeks before the House rose. All that ‘flomping’ into her seat after exhaustive questioning from Simon means she needs to completely remove herself and leave Angry in charge. She will return to public notice once the kindergardens reopen and she has somewhere to be.
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  January 9, 2019 4:13pm
- sooty
  
  Most unusual for her. But then there are no kindys open.
  
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  January 9, 2019 5:35pm
  - sooty
    
    What’s this about the granmother getting pe3ved to be fulltime babysitter.
    Where’s Comrade JacinDUH?
    Boy friend and baby in Gissy!
    Someones missing!
    
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    January 9, 2019 7:19pm
MCos

An interesting item on the wireless just now about garment workers in Myamar.
The poor sods who earn only a few dollars a day, that is to say about three or four, have been going on strike.
I don’t know if any stuff from that country winds up in NZ, but it would be interesting if any of the big name brands are thinking of producing a pamphlet with a break down of the retail cost of their clothing?
I remember a few years ago someone claimed that AB jerseys that retailed for way over a hundred bucks only cost eight dollars to make in Bangladesh.
Of course the figures on those pamphlets can manipulated to show, in the BP example, the taxman in a bad light. Their one shows 44% for tax, which is fair enough, but that includes 13% for GST that is charged on everything. Also it doesn’t say what their profit is, just lumped it in with something else that may be miniscule. BP also makes a profit from other facets of the production.
So if you buy an Adidas AB jersey don’t expect them to ever tell you that they paid thrupence to some wretch somewhere to sew it together.
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January 9, 2019 12:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Sweat holes like Bangladesh mean cheaper clothing for Western folk, but are people any better dressed than decades ago?
  
  Then, for example, there were well over 2000 people working in Christchurch clothing factories and eight or nine shoe manufacturers in the city.
  
  Clothes cost more but people weren’t poorly dressed.
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:23pm
  - MCos
    
    My original mother in law was a skilled seamstress way back. She also made loads of clothes for my then wife and later for our daughter after she retired.
    She was paid peanuts and after forty years had nothing in the bank. One of her workmates left and got some cleaning job or whatever and made more money.
    I’ve never forgotten that. I had no idea had little she was paid. I don’t think she did either.
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think there is some reporting of clothing companies environmental and labour practices. Remembr Denise L’estrange-Corbet getting inn a tizzy at the media last year when her ‘made in NZ’ scam label was exposed?
  Many companies, Farmers, for example, have some words about sustainability on their websites but won’t subscribe to any third-party auditing of their claims.
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:30pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t we have a right to know how much these poor sods get paid to make our clothes, and how much the middlemen are pocketing?
  I’m amazed they dare go on strike.
  After hundreds of poor workers were crushed to death in Bangladesh clothing factories some years ago, Time magazine started covering their conditions.
  One picture showed the body of a woman worker who had been tortured to death for protesting their wages, then chucked off the roof of the factory.
  
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  January 9, 2019 5:42pm
Odakyu-sen

Today’s General Debate seems to have stalled, with comments going into moderation…?!
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January 9, 2019 1:06pm
Jack5

Eat your heart out ~~Chlöe~~ ~~Chloё~~ dammit, Chloe Swarbrick, Green Party MP. The Guardian hints that Annie Lööf could become Sweden’s first female Prime Minister. Two diareses! She outguns you, Kiwi Chlöe, two “ö” to one, or should that be to none?

The dots in Swarbrick’s Christian name (I bet she prefers it to be called her “first name”): one set over one letter is called a diaeresis, or an umlaut (when it’s in German), or a trema. Mention two or more and the plural term is “diaereses”.

The mark, qualifying a traditional Roman alphabet character, and similar marks on other letters, are known as diacritics. Modern Maori language uses diacritics, notably the bar over a letter as in “Māori”. It calls this diacritic a tohutō, while in English it is a macron.

A poster pointed out on Kiwiblog a day or two ago that “Chloe” was spelled by some authors in English a long time ago as Chloё, which indicated the “e” was pronounced separately from the “o”. The name was to be pronounced something like “Cloh-ee”. The name Chloe, which goes back to Ancient Greece, mostly has appeared in English without diacritics, except when it popped up in literature with an “ё” – but not an ”ö.”

Swarbrick, or her parents, put the diaresis in the wrong place: over the “o” instead of over the “e”.

Regardless, Annie from Sweden OutLööfs NZ’s Greenie.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2019/jan/08/could-annie-loof-become-swedens-first-female-prime-minister
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January 9, 2019 1:29pm
- Longknives
  
  I very much doubt her parents had any input into that odd spelling.
  She has only just started with it recently.
  Google any old interviews/stories from her running for Council and Mayoralty days..
  
  I would say she is doing it for ‘Te Reo’ cred.
  Just like she ‘came out’ for Rainbow Crowd cred…
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:20pm
simpleton1

Test,, seems like moderation has per Pete George had become over bearing on Kiwiblog.

It seems that PG has even been able to sneakily ban access to kiwiblog, for any recent posts or comments.
Why do such people like PG like poking wasp nests.
That is why he will be stung., and possibly banned as a sanctimonious prat, who sprays and then walks a way and says it is nothing to do with him and he is all innocent.
Claims “free speech” then stuffs it up for others. 🙂

Stopped computer and modem,
Restarted, refreshed and again to no avail.
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January 9, 2019 1:35pm
Jack5

Are posts in a log jam awaiting “moderation”? Or …”
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January 9, 2019 1:44pm
MCos

I see we may or may not be getting an Ikea shop.
Awhile back there was a fuss when Krispie Kreme opened a doughnut shop in Manukau and I remember the turmoil when a McDonalds opened in Porirua.

How damned exciting.
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January 9, 2019 2:12pm
Johnboy

Oh look….Murri cheesed of again! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109788886/fonterras-kapiti-cheese-name-tuteremoana-insulting-to-decedents-of-great-chief-advisor-says
Surely by now they must be getting the vibe that virtually none of us actually give a fuck other than to deride them for their constant posing? 🙂
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January 9, 2019 2:15pm
Johnboy

Oh look….Murri cheesed of again! ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109788886/fonterras-kapiti-cheese-name-tuteremoana-insulting-to-decedents-of-great-chief-advisor-says
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January 9, 2019 2:16pm
DigNap15

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/109814719/trump-aide-kellyanne-conway-and-smartass-cnn-reporter-clash-outside-west-wing

Gee what a well presented cool woman.
Trump seems to get a few like this.
That Jim D’Costa gets his beans at 2:07
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January 9, 2019 2:17pm
Johnboy

Oh look….Murri cheesed of again! ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/109788886/fonterras-kapiti-cheese-name-tuteremoana-insulting-to-decedents-of-great-chief-advisor-says
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January 9, 2019 2:19pm
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January 9, 2019 2:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’re a trier, JB.
  
  Not going to give up after attempt 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, …
  
  And so calm, throughout.
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:23pm
Johnboy

Oh I could go on all day with this crap but I’d rather have another drink! 🙂
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January 9, 2019 2:23pm
- Longknives
  
  I can’t seem to post anything either Johnboy!
  I’ll come join you- What are we drinking?
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:01pm
Johnboy

Hello folks have the PC police taken over KB? 🙂
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January 9, 2019 2:26pm
- stigie
  
  Not much doing up your way today JB..?
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:53pm
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January 9, 2019 2:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:27pm
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    ..!!
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:54pm
Poppa

Oh God no!

I thought it was too good to be true, and so it was. In the middle of the Herald website who do I see but Jethro, another one of his brag stories that we are supposed to care about.

The silence was wonderful until that happened
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January 9, 2019 2:37pm
- Longknives
  
  I don’t want to incur the wrath of Sheriff Pete George but-
  Christ that Clarke Gayford is painful!
  Does that guy just fucking love the limelight or what? Cheap Fame Whore of the absolute worst kind…
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    Clarke has a thing about fish with big teeth and mouths.
    
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    January 9, 2019 3:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, the more you find him robbing you of your peace of mind and rattling your empty cranial the better!
    
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    January 9, 2019 3:43pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      What is an empty cranial SB?
      
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      January 9, 2019 4:37pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Oh god no indeed. Did you click on the article Clarke Gayford’s “Sexy Photo”. It’s a pic of his shirt pulled up and his pants pulled low exposing his sexy christmas belly, sexy fish and a product placement plug for the boat motor. Mrs Trump got international attention for dying her hair blonde and wearing gloves. Jethro put your clothes back on. Sheesh.
  
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  January 9, 2019 5:11pm
Captain Mainwaring

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January 9, 2019 2:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Captain Mainwaring, snooze button alert!
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:44pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    SB, there’s that bull’s-eye thing we talked about.
    Leave the humour to others.
    You just aren’t great at it.
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:09pm
stoptheboats

@3pm good speech by Trumpy , watch for the ugly witch Pelosi and devious Dems to be beside themselves as TDS consumes them!
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January 9, 2019 3:20pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Stephie and Morrisey, I know you’re behind those downticks!
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Apologise? To a twerp like you, never!
    
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    January 9, 2019 3:48pm
  - oob
    
    One is from me. If you’re a New Zealander and you’re a Trump supporter, you’re a fucking moron.
    
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    January 9, 2019 4:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Has the Trumpanzee agreed to get the Mexicans to pay for it after all?
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:46pm
- fernglas
  
  Straight out of the US Presidential speech rulebook, as originally crafted by Lincoln. Long on sentiment, short on facts and read flawlessly from an autocue.
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:22pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Those parochial dummies: Pelosi and Schumer I mean. Classic mistake of under-estimating the opponent and thinking the polititical mindset of San Francisco is representative of that of the Nation. Cosseted Cocksuckers, the pair of them.
  There is a mind bogglingly, huge drug epidemic in the States. A lot of it is trafficking across the U.S./Mexican and Canadian borders ie The Mexican and Chinese cartels. Border control is the biggest social issue confronting the current administration and the Dems know it.
  Heroin isn’t strong enough anymore and Carfentanil, (a grain can kill a person but is usually mixed with Oxy) is dropping addicts like flies.
  I’m fairly familiar with a rehab facility in Sonoma County 🙂 for addiction and PTSD treatment. Out of a 30 bed facility there have been three deaths of graduates recently due to ingestion of the shit currently hitting the streets in the Bay Area. One guy came in and pissed dirty for Carfentanil for 12 days.
  It’s bad. Real bad and Trump is attempting to curtail the scourge. By making it inaccessible and boosting funding for treatment.
  Good on him and shame on the Dems.
  
  This is funny:
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Chuck-Schumer-Nancy-Pelosi-memes-Trump-speech-oval-13519132.php
  
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  January 9, 2019 5:44pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Could that vacuous hag get her face hoisted any higher?
    And what a job for Chucky – following her around in case she falls over and breaks a hip. No man-card for Mr Schumer.
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:25pm
Swifty

Stephieboy owes all KB posters an apology.

At least twice today on GD Stephieboy slurred all KB posters by attempting to blame them for his comments going into moderation – when in fact it was a software issue affecting us all, as DPF has confirmed.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_3_january_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2398313

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/01/general_debate_3_january_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2398368

Be a man Stephieboy and apologise.
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January 9, 2019 3:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, apologise? To a twit like you?
  
  Never!
  
  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31456.The_Twits
  
  LOL!
  
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  January 9, 2019 3:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    No, not to me, to those you unjustly accused.
    
    Thanks for the reply though – it was just the response I expected from you.
    
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    January 9, 2019 7:50pm
- labrator
  
  Stephieboy wrong on something? I don’t believe it…
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Umm, steffy is a girl. Well, most of the time.
  
  ardern is a liar….all of the time
  
  🙂
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:24pm
- stigie
  
  Stiffy apologise…….you’re fucking joking !~
  
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  January 9, 2019 4:57pm
- holysheet
  
  Nah the little prick will not apologise, in the same way he will not answer very simple questions.
  
  Is this you Ralphie?
  
  http://nostalgia-nz.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-fiddler-ralph-taylor-doesnt-want.html#comment-form
  
  Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0Reply ReportDecember 30, 2018 6:32pm
  
  Nostradamus
  
  Ralph Taylor, like Robin Bain – has skeletons in his closet and Taylor now shows the same type of seething anger at being caught out, just like his sick mate that thought it was ‘okay’ for a father to teach a daughter to put her fingers inside herself – remember that person folks – a counterspin administrator. A devo right at the top. These people are sick deviates. Ralph Taylor is losing the plot so much now he seems totally comparable with his idol when he decided to ‘tidy up’ his sick life. Buy the book Taylor, let your pervert mates read it and weep.
  
  Ouch!
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  January 9, 2019 5:19pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holyruns,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjMqRBrOcdM
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:49pm
secondcumming

I read where Auckland University has just completed a year-long study into the effects that excessive Alcohol consumption had on walking.

The results were staggering.
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January 9, 2019 3:47pm
Cobolt24

While Schumer did seem more articulate than both Pelosi and Trump, it was all about “muh morality!”, “muh manufactured crisis!” rather than facts.
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January 9, 2019 4:23pm
waikatogirl

Glitch with the “comment awaiting moderation” – is it the Russians or the Chinese?!
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January 9, 2019 4:24pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Nice one waikatogirl – pretending you weren’t at the meeting where we all ganged up on SB to single him out for intense moderation.
  Wait until he finds out what we have planned for next week [ wink, wink ] !!!
  
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  January 9, 2019 9:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Shaun the Sheep, Tell us! Can’t wait.
    
    The Holy Index?
    
    Index Librorum Prohibitorum
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
    
    LOL
    
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    January 9, 2019 9:42pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      You win
      You’re funny
      Really really funny.
      //
      
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      January 9, 2019 10:01pm
Keeping Stock

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment has hired a security firm to increase staff skills in using fake social media profiles to gather intelligence.

Among the modules offered are harvesting information from social networks, creating back-stories for false online personae and creating dossiers on people and groups.

When informed of the training by the Herald, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones said senior ministers would be briefed on the issue when they returned to work at the end of the month.

“Kiwis should be able to go about their daily business without the fear of bureaucrats peering into their social media,” he said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12187230

It sounds like the Nats were doing a bit more snooping, until you read the timeline at the bottom of the story:

Timeline
• December 17, 2017 — Contract signed between MBIE and ZX Security Ltd to provide advanced social media training to staff using false online personae for verification and investigation services.

17 December 2017 – that’s a couple of months AFTER the Labour-led government took over; you know, the one that was going to be “the most open and transparent government ever”. Yes, Labour was going to teach public servants to set up fake socmed profiles to spy on other New Zealanders.

Serious questions need to be asked of the government over this. Unfortunately, as Jones notes, they’re all on holiday until the end of this month, by which time he hopes the issue will have died a natural death.
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January 9, 2019 5:03pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australian dwelling approvals are crashing – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/australian-dwelling-approvals-crashing/

By Leith van Onselen

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has released dwelling approvals data for the month of November. At the national level, the number of dwelling approvals fell by a seasonally adjusted 9.1% to 15,465. The overall fall in approvals was driven by the volatile unit & apartment segment (-17.9%), whereas the detached house segment also fell by 2.6%.

In the year to November 2018, dwelling approvals fell by a seasonally-adjusted 13.4%, with house approvals down 4.1% whereas unit approvals fell by 22.2%: … read more via hyperlink above …
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https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
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Aussie Building Permits Plunge After Prices Plummet Most In 35 Years | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-08/aussie-building-permits-plunge-after-prices-plummet-most-35-years
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January 9, 2019 5:51pm
- Cobolt24
  
  This indicates that supply has now exceeded demand!
  
  DIGITAL FINANCIAL ANALYTICS: Mortgage stress in Australia:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyDTmTurf3k
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:29pm
Johnboy

Oh…Hooray! Seems like I haven’t been banned yet. I’m certain a few of you will be slightly happy about that and as for the vast majority of you all…..keep on hoping folks. 🙂 🙂
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January 9, 2019 6:02pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Seems like I haven’t been banned yet
  
  Try a bit harder old chap! 🙂
  
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  January 9, 2019 7:51pm
  - stigie
    
    Seems we got a response from Dad early one morning this week. I think he’s in a great state of mind !~
    
    dad4justice
    
    I must be due another meltdown!
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:12pm
Southern Raider

Our mighty tangata whenua in action on Queen St tonight.

As a nation we should be so proud of our indigenous culture

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12187870
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January 9, 2019 7:26pm
- nasska
  
  From SR’s link:
  
  …..” three women were arrested as they screamed abuse “…..
  
  …..”A Police spokesman said two women were arrested for liquor offences.”……
  
  And now we cross for commentary from KB’s religious/conservative nuts:
  
  “Hic! Alcohol good, marijuana bad. Hic!”
  
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  January 9, 2019 7:38pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Someone I doubt drink or dope is the root of these three women’s demons
    
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    January 9, 2019 7:49pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Maybe Ardern can offer them some kindness.
      Or some more money to spend on booze.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:07pm
    - secondcumming
      
      I was walking up Queen Street while the whole thing was *kicking off*…..
      so I asked one of the young cops standing there what was going on?
      
      He just said, “Liquor”.
      
      I said, “Lick ‘er? I don’t even know the woman!”
      
      Honestly, these ‘new cops’ today…wouldn’t have a bloody clue.
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:32pm
- DigNap15
  
  Great advert for tourists.
  Maoris etc really need to up their game and get some decorum, manners and learn to speak English slowly and clearly and stop shouting and swearing all the time.
  (especially in my neighborhood)
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:06pm
  - holysheet
    
    The only way these ferals will improve is to breed out all the maori warrior genes that infect them. It will take more than a few generations. After all its only been about eight or nine since they were fighting and eating each other.
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holycrap, you excel yourself What a richly ironical way by which begin the New Year.!
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:43pm
    - MickMac
      
      good point!
      Is there free Snips anywhere but auckland dhb?
      In WTN it costs $425 but they only get 315 from Winz as a subsidy.
      
      I think they should all get Vacsectomies for free.
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:35pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Just as well there was no cruise ships in today
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:31pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy took advantage of the downtime (due to Kiwiblog’s moderation issue) to catch up on some essential reading for perverts.
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January 9, 2019 8:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nostradamus, this perceptive comment about you by Peter George is worth repeating,
  
  “…That’s very funny considering the lengths you go here to try to protect the abusive Kiwiblog culture. Lying won’t help.”
  
  8.47am
  
  And repeating again,
  
  “…That’s very funny considering the lengths you go here to try to protect the abusive Kiwiblog culture. Lying won’t help.”
  
  8.47am
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:36pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Pete George has yet to show a statement where I “lied” about him. I provided links to substantiate the facts in my comment. I also included some humourous commentary for the benefit of people other than Pete George (who evidently lacks a sense of humour). I have an email from DPF this morning (which I won’t quote out of respect for him) expressing a view on this matter.
    
    Anyway, why are you here? Shouldn’t you be at the Yoga Pantry?
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:50pm
    - stephieboy
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjMqRBrOcdM
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:51pm
    - nasska
      
      Somehow I think PG may have scratched you off his Xmas card list for 2019 Nostra! 🙂
      
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      January 9, 2019 8:54pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        He seems like more of a Festivus guy to me…
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:09pm
    - Pete George
      
      [removed by DPF]
      
      [deleted by DPF]
      
      Trying to claim they were jokes when called on lying is a woeful and weasely attempt to make excuses. It was a very deliberate personal attack. And I see you are flailing around at others here too. Dirty stuff.
      
      You seem to have really jumped the shark on this.
      
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      January 10, 2019 6:45am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pete George:
        
        Accusing me of lying, when it’s a lie yourself, does you no credit. Would you like me to reinstate the text so others can see how “blog guardian” was clearly a joke? Just say the word, and I’ll show everyone how you’re so lacking in humour that you resemble a shrivelled prune!
        
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        January 10, 2019 8:07am
      - Pete George
        
        To clarify, the removed and deleted above are to show that DPF found it justified in deleting/removing Nostradamus’ falsities (in the first comment of the day).
        
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        January 10, 2019 12:50pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pete:
        
        Not a clarification actually. I have an email from DPF that doesn’t substantiate your comment. Out of respect for him, I’m not going to quote his words. He deleted the text because you complained. That’s it. The deleted text was obviously satire, and the fact that you can’t see it that way, doesn’t really surprise me.
        
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        January 10, 2019 1:20pm
      - Pete George
        
        You’ve changed your excuse from ‘humorous’ to ‘obviously satire’.
        
        What you said about me and about someone else not involved here at all was false, and obviously aimed at attacking me and generating a mob response against me.
        
        You can apply whatever weasel words you like now you’ve been called on it, but it doesn’t change the facts – you made things up (lies) to attack me personally, and as the first comment in response to nothing I said. I’m sure some people here find lying funny and satirical, but that doesn’t excuse your motive.
        
        You also got into dirty attacks of others in this thread. You’ve been playing a role here for long enough that I expect you don’t have the conscience to see what damage you are doing to various reputations here as well as your own. DPF, Kiwiblog and National all have their reputations affected by the dirty abuse culture you’re an active and passive part of here.
        
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        January 10, 2019 1:39pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Poor Pete George. The word “humorous” and “obviously satire” have the same meaning. Check a dictionary if you need further guidance. Despite repeated requests, you still haven’t identified a specific “lie” – which is interesting for many reasons. But this is yesterday’s thread and you’ve become boring. It’s that “beige badger” personality you’ve become famous for. So don’t let me detain you further. Give your shiny “blog guardian” badge a polish, and off you trot!
        
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        January 10, 2019 6:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  There might be some other frequent commenters who might appreciate a good PUA manual like that…
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:53pm
  - starboard
    
    pppfffttttt..
    
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    January 9, 2019 8:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh, you manged to recover your password, and didn’t have log in as Dirty Harry.
      I can tell because of the distinct spelling of pppfffttttt..(sic).
      
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      January 9, 2019 9:06pm
      - starboard
        
        ” to log in ” special boy.
        
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        January 9, 2019 9:15pm
nasska

There’s a site called ‘rentagoat.com’ where you can get a goat to eat the grass on your lawn. “Rent A Goat helps businesses and homeowners landscape their properties in a safe and eco-friendly way, at a competitive price, by clearing their land with goats!”

This isn’t to be confused with ‘rentagoat.org’, which is a dating site frequented by Mt Roskill perverts.
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January 9, 2019 8:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska, you on the Board of Directors?
  
  LOL!
  
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  January 9, 2019 8:41pm
  - holysheet
    
    Not as bad as you being on the register of users and abusers.
    Think of those lovely goats that you love so much.
    
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    January 9, 2019 10:11pm
Wired-one

Great article on Stuff, from Todd Muller on Nationals position on climate change. I’m not really sure how to link it here, but if one of you more tech savvy guys or girls could do it, it’s a great read. I really like Todd, he’s a great communicator and has a big future in National.
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January 10, 2019 2:02am
- simpleton1
  
  Money can only be spent once!, and that includes what is borrowed, as then interest is also a cost.
  Decisions of major expenditure need to be done wisely and for the best effect.
  
  “But you do that in a proportional way. If you go too hard, and too fast, and too ideological you have bad economic outcomes, and bad climate outcomes, which is our criticism of the government’s oil and gas ban.”
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/108999245/nationals-climate-change-policy-not-focused-on-being-first-fast-and-famous
  At the same time the rivers, lakes and beaches also need to be protected.
  
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