General Debate 29 May 2019

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Pete George

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My take on the ‘Whale Oil’ book – it’s about far more than just the blog and Cameron Slater.

It is primarily about a campaign of harassment against Matt Blomfield and his family over many years. At it’s worst it involve an armed attack on them in their home. But it also involved many attacks online, and via text, with threats.

It is also about the concerning lack of action by police.

It also has wider interest in the prevalence of bullying online – this is one of the worst cases imaginable, but it is a big and topical issue.

https://yournz.org/2019/05/29/so-what-is-the-whale-oil-book-about/
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May 29, 2019 8:04am
- David Garrett
  
  PG: So…not enough readers visit your relatively obscure and poorly written website, so you need to shill it here?
  
  Oh, and the “story” you link to is full of grammatical errors (Yep, I followed the link, so your visit count is up at least one today).
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:12am
  - Pete George
    
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    I suggest you read the book David. Then you might have some understanding of what it is about, how bad the bullying and harassment has been for Blomfield and his family, and it’s wider importance, instead of trying the tired and petty little attack-the-messenger thing here.
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:21am
    - David Garrett
      
      Two questions Pete:1) did Hager pay you for that push piece; and 2) are you getting some commission on sales?
      
      Simple Yes or No answers will do.
      
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      May 29, 2019 8:35am
      - Pete George
        
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        Are you serious? Or just a being a dick.
        
        I haven’t been paid anything by anyone on anything related to the book. I haven’t been paid anything on any of this (I was accused of that in court once by Nottingham).
        
        More pertinent questions:
        Was Slater paid for the online hit job? If so by whom?
        Was the person convicted of assaulting Blomfield paid anything? If so by whom?
        
        Are you trying to play petty diversions for Whale Oil on a voluntary basis?
        
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        May 29, 2019 8:42am
      - David Garrett
        
        Petey: I just knew you couldn’t stick to simple yes or no answers! But thank you for the response.
        
        For your information, I have never actually met Mr Slater…although he still owes me for several columns I wrote for “Truth” when he was its last editor.
        
        And for God’s sake go and clean up your piece…it’s an embarassment for a man of your years, coming as you do from a time when schools taught us to punctuate and write proper.
        
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        May 29, 2019 8:53am
      - Pete George
        
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        It’s touching you’re so concerned the punctuation crime of the sentry, the really important issue here of course.
        
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        May 29, 2019 8:58am
      - David Garrett
        
        PG: So, someone allegedly invaded this Bloomfield fellow’s house and threatened him and his family with a shotgun. There are a number of very serious charges arising from such a scenario.
        
        Was anyone charged over these alleged offences? If so, what was the outcome, or are they still going through the justice system? Or did the events described perhaps never happen?
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:06am
      - sooty
        
        They must have giving prprint copy to Pete to proofread!
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:16am
      - Pete George
        
        It is detailed extensively in the book. It was also reported at the time.
        
        Death threats before attack
        
        A businessman who suffered facial injuries during a vicious fight in his home with a masked gunman had received anonymous death threats prior to the incident.
        
        Matthew Blomfield, 38, suffered facial injuries after being hit with a rifle and is understood to have narrowly avoided being shot when the gun went off during the terrifying ordeal last Saturday night.
        
        The gunman, wearing a Spiderman mask, tried to gain access to Blomfield’s home, where his wife and two small children were, it is understood.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241076
        
        Someone was eventually arrested, convicted and imprisoned.
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:18am
      - Pete George
        
        NZH on the book:
        
        According to the book, Blomfield received odd and frightening text messages forecasting physical harm ahead of a home invasion by gang associate Ned Paraha, who was sent to prison for the armed assault.
        
        The book speculated as to the blogger’s potential connection to gang members and included material hacked from Slater’s computer in which Slater is twice quoted as offering to provide Blomfield’s location for people who allegedly wanted to attack him.
        
        The book further recorded testimony from an associate of Slater’s in which a gang member was asked how much it would cost to “finish Matt off”. The sum quoted, according to the book, was $5000.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235063
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:22am
      - David Garrett
        
        PG: Thank you, I was unaware of all this…and for the record I wasn’t playing dumb; I had never heard of this Matt Blomfield before this morning (my participation in social media is strictly limited to this blog). I stopped reading the Herald or its woeful website long ago.
        
        I see nothing in what you have posted though to a proven link to Slater in all of this…Was he questioned by the police? Was he ever charged in relation to the attack or the threats?
        
        I repeat:I have never met Cameron Slater, although we have communicated by e-mail and spoken on the phone a few times.
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:28am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Pete – have you ever stopped to consider that your own long-running campaign against Slater is in itself a form of bullying?
      
      Two wrongs don’t make a right.
      
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      May 29, 2019 8:40am
      - Pete George
        
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        Have you ever stopped to consider how hypocritical you are given the repeated attention you pay to people on twitter.
        
        I suggest you read the book so you are actually informed about how serious this is rather than playing the poor Cam card.
        
        I’ll quote one relatively minor part of the book:
        
        Early March 2017 and Matt’s now ten year old daughter taps on the Snapchat icon on her phone. Someone called Cam Slater from whaleoilnz is asking to follow her.
        
        Fortunalely she recognised the name and didn’t accept the request.
        
        Keep trying to deter criticism of Slater if you like. I’ll keep doing what I think is justified exposure of someone involved in prolonged and nasty harassment.
        
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        May 29, 2019 8:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Am I defending Slater? No. He made his bed, and now has to lie in it.
        
        I can understand that you have very good reasons to strongly dislike Slater, and his mates, given that you got caught up in the endless litigation. But by posting about him endlessly, all you are doing is giving him oxygen.
        
        I’ve chosen to move on, after a significant and life-changing mental health episode. I’ve also chosen to be transparent on blogs and social media, and be accountable for every word I write. Credit to you for having been a forerunner in the latter, but now perhaps you should try the former; looking forward instead of over your shoulder is liberating.
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:06am
      - Pete George
        
        Try considering how important this book is to Blomfield and his family. They have been taken through hell for most of a decade, and this is their chance to say how it has impacted on their lives.
        
        If you read the book you will get some understanding.
        
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        May 29, 2019 9:11am
- Durden
  
  You just need to read the history of Blomfeld and his behaviour from the time of Hell Pizza days.. There is case to suggest that it is that behaviour and carry on which brought on these thing on to himself and his family.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    Uh…what? And how does that justify hired guns like Slater harassing Blomfield and his family? Slater isn’t the law, not by a long shot, and nor are his accomplices.
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:02am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Nor was Blomfield the only target, or did I get that wrong?
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:39am
  - Pete George
    
    This sounds like the sort of thing Marc Spring has been spreading around the Internet under many pseudonyms over the years.
    
    What exactly do you think deserved a home invasion and serious assault with a shotgun used in front of children?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:07am
    - David Garrett
      
      I am happen to respond to that. Nothing justifies invading someone’s house and threatening them with a shotgun…and the offence is ten times worse if children were terrorised. Any person involved in such behaviour should be sentenced to a lengthy term of imprisonment.
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:30am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Which begs the question; why haven’t they?
        
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        May 29, 2019 10:11am
- Random T Person
  
  Slightly unrelated but I believe Spanish Bride is fronting articles being written by Slater who is ‘too sick to work’.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:48am
- Andrei
  
  In the scheme of the universe this petty little spat between individuals who most people, even in this country have never even heard of, means not very much.
  
  It is hard to think of a more dreary thing to read about.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:56am
- srylands
  
  “but it is a big and topical issue”
  
  I don’t agree. And if it really is then we are stuffed.
  
  The under performance of the education system and woeful productivity should be the big topical issues. Not someone being mean to someone named Matt I have never heard of.
  
  Look at it this way. Misfortune happens. Today hundreds of women will be bashed by their partners, most of them Maori. Why don’t you make that a big topical issue by blogging on it?
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:59am
  - Pete George
    
    I blog about many things, and have done quite a few about the serious problems with family violence and violence in general in our society.
    
    Like, firearms attacks on families in their homes is a big issue for some people.
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why would you donate to Amnesty International?
Amnesty loses five bosses after report on ‘toxic workplace’
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48431652
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May 29, 2019 8:05am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: Sounds like Greenpeace! The lefties…always lecturing the rest of us, but unable to keep their own houses in order.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The new Head of Amnesty International -Kumi Naidoo has come over from being on the Greenpeace Executive.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumi_Naidoo
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:23am
    - dubya
      
      Pronounced ‘Cum and I do’?
      
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      May 29, 2019 8:51am
- Swifty
  
  Unbelievable.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:15am
- Jules99
  
  I wouldn’t donate to any of the larger charities now -hardly any of your donation gets to the needy.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    In my house… I’m the needy 😉
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:39am
  - godruelf
    
    You could probably add a few more to the list. The large local incident ones I am glad I didn’t contribute to.
    Pike River, Christchurch Earthquake and Christchurch shootings spring to mind. As a taxpayer I think my contribution has been more than adequate.
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:45am
    - sooty
      
      Metoo!
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs
    First couple of minutes.
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:52am
- tf78
  
  Maggy – glad I caught you, thank you so much for the Borderless link. It was really enlightening and as usual with Lauren, extremely well done. Thanks again.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wrong Maggie…
    I’m not Maggiepie.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Probly easy to confuse us – but sooo glad you found it interesting tf78 🙂
    Lauren is one fab lady and is also one of my besties on Insta as well – heres another link you may like:
    
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BWKKAthHNkq/
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:32am
    - tf78
      
      Thanks Maggie, I wish I looked like that.
      
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      May 29, 2019 11:50am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Under this guvmint – anyone can 🙂
        (providing you hand your weapon in)
        
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        May 29, 2019 12:09pm
- stephieboy
  
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  MW I , would donate to Amnesty given the Stirling work they do regarding religious rights and freedoms in Pakistan especially in respect of their Anti Blasphemy laws,
  
  https://www.amnesty.org.nz/pakistan-quash-conviction-and-death-sentence-alleged-blasphemy-facebook-post
  
  You seem to enjoy an inordinate amount of time uncovering the foibles and shortcomings of Aid organisations and other’s like Amnesty.
  
  Be sensitive to the fact how Jesus admonished and pillared those who focused on others shortcomings whilst ignoring their own.
  
  Now what are you and David Garret are going to for Christians and other persecuted minorities in Pakistan and elsewhere ??
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Be sensitive to the fact how Jesus admonished and pillared those who focused on others shortcomings whilst ignoring their own.
    
    I have no interest in your proselytizing cant.
    
    Now what are you and David Garret are going to for Christians and other persecuted minorities in Pakistan and elsewhere ??
    
    I think I will continue to spread my vision of life in the Peaceable Kingdom.
    https://pixels.com/featured/11-the-peaceable-kingdom-edward-hicks.html
    
    As for David Garrett.. How the heck would I know what he is going to do?
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:46am
kowtow

Further to yesterday’s post on anti semitism in Germany.

Now there’s a call for Germans to wear the kippah in support of Jews on “al Quds day” which sees large demonstrations calling for the destruction of Israel.

If you want to know where the anti semitism is coming from then examine the make up of the protests.

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Heavy-turnout-at-al-Quds-rally-in-Berlin-calls-for-Israels-destruction-559576
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May 29, 2019 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, and further again,
  
  Israeli envoy to Germany says he is shunning far-right AfD party
  
  Jeremy Issacharoff says it’s hard for him to imagine interaction with people who express nostalgia for Germany’s Nazi past
  
  The Israeli ambassador to Germany said Sunday that he was avoiding any contact with the far-right Alternative for Germany party because its leaders have said things that are “highly insulting for Jews, for Israel and for the entire issue of the Holocaust.”
  
  Jeremy Issacharoff told German news agency dpa it was very difficult for him to imagine any interaction with those who feel nostalgia for Germany’s past….
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-to-germany-says-he-is-shunning-far-right-afd-party/
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:36am
hullkiwi

Teachers strike and budget leak dominate the airwaves. Not a good time to be a Labour PR sinmeister!
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May 29, 2019 8:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The missing ‘P’….sinmeister!
  Very Freudian.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:54am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I noticed the error after it was too late to edit. Either way it is about right for them.
    
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    May 29, 2019 12:24pm
- rangitoto
  
  “Sinmeister” sounds about right
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:20am
graham

I almost didn’t read this piece, based on the front-page headline “Who are the real haters?”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/113066625/lefty-haters-gonna-hate-and-its-all-good-not-so-much-when-theyre-offended

Turns out it’s by Karl Du Fresne, with a big picture at the top of Guy Williams and Golriz Ghahraman, and the caption “Darlings of the left: Comedian Guy Williams and Green MP Golriz Ghahraman. It’s presumably OK for Williams to tweet about running down Don Brash so long as he doesn’t go all Right-wing on us.”

Good read 🙂
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May 29, 2019 8:10am
- David Garrett
  
  graham: It is one of Karl’s best recently – although he is always a good read. I’ll bet dollars to donuts he wasn’t responsible for the illiterate headline…almost as if the headline writer didn’t want anyone to read the column?
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:37am
- alloytoo
  
  I don’t know why Karl considers the hate from an unexpected source.
  
  We’ve have more than a century of identity politics from the left.
  
  Communists/Socialist governments persist in censoring/banning/deplatforming dissenting voices.
  
  Of course we shouldn’t merely consider those who called themselves socialist/communists, we should consider their economic policies.
  
  Price controls, parastatal monopolies, protective/exclusive employment practices are all the hallmarks of socialist philosophies.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:07am
  - sooty
    
    It’s not from the lack of trying!
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:33am
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  I don’t always agree with Du Fresne but on this occassion I agree with him concerning the attacks on politicians which are becoming more frequent and pose a genuine security threat.
  A milkshake,dildo or an egg may seem innocuous at the time but could easily become something more sinister like a knife or pistol.
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’ll never forget the dignified way Prebble took that egg so many years ago. Give that man a DB.
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:45pm
- jonno1
  
  Odd though that Due Fresne associated Nazis with the right, perhaps a typo, as in reality that historical example supports his thesis.
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:45am
Happychappy

What a piece of shit Mallard has turned out to be how can he ever expect a gong.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235193
I hope it costs him thousands for using his big mouth instead of his brain.
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May 29, 2019 8:12am
- niggly
  
  Not only that but the Duck has likened “hugs” to sexual violation … I bet Jacinda won’t be pleased about that since she relies on “hugz and feelz” to make her more appealing to the public – oh noes!
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:37am
  - sooty
    
    But it’s different when Cindy gives the hugz and feelz!
    What is with Labour and sexual perversion?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:25am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The next time Cindy hugs someone lets all,accuse her of sexual harrasement.
    
    Lets give the Left some of its own medicine. They can dish it out but they cant take it like all two faced arseholes.
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:38am
    - Jack5
      
      I think hongi, with their nose and forehead touch, are consensual.
      
      If not, even by misunderstanding, would they be rape by the Parliamentary Speaker’s standard?
      
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      May 29, 2019 11:50am
  - Rich Prick
    
    If a hug is sexual violation, then by their standards Labour’s sex camp guy should be sweating.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:01am
    - sooty
      
      Yes, he WOOD!
      
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      May 29, 2019 10:34am
    - Liberty
      
      No need to sweat. With friends in High Places.
      The court case already appears to have disappeared.
      
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      May 29, 2019 11:03am
      - calendar girl
        
        Seems to be scheduled for 2 September in the Auckland District Court.
        
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        May 29, 2019 11:39am
      - Liberty
        
        Calender girl
        
        Thank you for the date.
        But the odds of a trial on that day
        are not high.
        
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        May 29, 2019 12:29pm
  - Maxx
    
    Lets just hope that he has never hugged a child.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:27am
- Swifty
  
  Oh NOW he chooses to hold his tongue – a pity he didn’t do that a lot earlier.
  
  He’s in a big hole and everyone knows it.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:41am
  - David Garrett
    
    Swifty: Well said Sir…rather than “better late than never” this is surely a case of the horse already having well and truly bolted?
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:49am
    - sooty
      
      Or the duck quacked!
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:26am
- Prince
  
  As an aside, look at the interview with Paula Bennett, halfway down this article.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235193
  Watch the guy on Paula’s right – the left of the picture.
  
  What a shining example of the media in NZ !
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:14am
  - sooty
    
    He certainly wanted to be there!
    Who was he and who did he represent?
    Has he been sacked?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:31am
  - stephieboy
    
    Prince, yes I see. Your point?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:38am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    A leftie like all the MSM. If it had been a Labour/Green pollie he would have been fawning all over him.
    
    Anyone know who the moron is and which shit MSM he comes from?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:42am
    - dubya
      
      Pretty sure the young fair haired man you are talking about is Henry Cooke from Stuff.
      
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      May 29, 2019 10:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    He looks like someone needs to take him aside to ask if he is unwell? Then further discuss him coming to work looking like he is a regular late night heavy drinker. Compare him to his bright fresh colleague and to Paula who is a few years older but looks incredibly healthy.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:10am
    - Garbageman
      
      That’s my pick as well WG it just looks as though he had a big night combine that with having a job pushing a mic under some politicians nose, i would be bored silly as well
      
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      May 29, 2019 1:31pm
  - Sacha
    
    Paula’s direct replies to the questions are certainly in contrast to the waffle given by the Prime Minister. I think she is doing well.
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:44pm
Paginus

What are the major differences between Labour and National these days?
Because it isn’t welfare, immigration, abortion, sodomy, Maori rights, tax, etc….
I can only think of competency.
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May 29, 2019 8:14am
- Scott
  
  Paginus – quite right. On the subject of immigration I read recently that immigration levels are just as high under labour as they were under national. Labour of course also pledges to bring in more refugees, so we get the double whammy of continuing high immigration and more of the least skilled and qualified Third World immigrants.
  
  The problem is that both parties are full of globalists. National’s donors want the cheap labour and the Labour Party wants the new voters.
  
  I would be interested to know is it true that over the last 10 years we have brought in 700,000 immigrants? We really are seeing a dramatic population shift. The local Kiwi population is being replaced by foreigners.
  
  There is room on the right for a Conservative party of traditional values that stands up for New Zealanders. While New Zealanders cannot find housing we continue to import every month thousands and thousands of new people. The situation cannot go on.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:40am
  - artemisia
    
    Lots of new immigrants and student visas with work permitted, but employers cannot fill jobs. Especially tech jobs.
    
    We have a $20billion shadow economy, it is estimated, and it’s not all meth dealers.
    
    IRD annual reports mention that for each dollar spent on compliance they bring in several dollars in tax. Even though the new system there should throw up even more red flags to investigate, seems like a no brainer to seriously increase the compliance budget.
    
    Could start by putting tax inspectors top of the immigration skills list. Just not from countries where tax inspectors are the problem rather than the solution.
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:58am
    - Jack5
      
      We’re in an immigration trap.
      
      GDP per capita is virtually stagnant and will soon begin to fall. Hospitals, prisons, the school system, roads, city facilities are under heavy demand pressure.
      
      Soaring population stimulates GDP growth – as opposed to static and soon to be falling GDP per capita. This latter measures our citizens’ wealth compared with those of other countries.
      
      GDP growth from immigration creates more jobs. The people who fill them put pressure on infrastructure and expand demand for goods and services. This creates more jobs. This requires still more people and more immigration. It also pushes GDP per capita lower, because population growth is outracing economic growth.
      
      We are in immigration vicious circle, an economic feedback loop that will sink our living standard in comparison with the rest of the developed world.
      
      NZ is like a Titanic lifeboat taking in so many survivors that the boat is beginning to sink but the lower it goes in the water the easier it is to get in.
      
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  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If you do not have an awareness of your national identity, then you will easily accept your replacement.
    (It also helps if you are a nation of sheep.)
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:28am
- Tall Man
  
  A bit harsh.
  
  You cannot in all honesty judge a future government by it’s time in opposition.
  
  Some people just don’t get it, National are not the Government and do not have the votes to do fuck all.
  
  Yes, they could run around like a little dog yapping at the heels of the coalition and they do from time to time take a bite but seriously, why draw a line in the sand when you can’t enforce that line.
  
  Is it better to just let this disgusting coalition implode and then start to be a Government or waste your breathe pointing out every day that adern is lying about something again, twyford is not building houses, jones is not planting trees, mallard is a bullying oaf and so on.
  
  Look how frustrated most on here are with hugh and his incessant repetitious posts about the same subject.
  
  No one wants an opposition to run around screaming “wolf wolf”… even when there is a wolf. People just don’t care at the moment but they will come 2020.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:56am
Lee C

The tide has turned.
‘The Toxic Administration’
Who would the media want first to resign for incompetence or bullying? vote now!

Mallard – claims man is rapist
Twyford – need I say more?
Robertson – smears National for own his incompetence
Clark – bullies DHB’s removes targets
Whaitiri – ‘I didn’t touch her!’
Genter – for destroying 300 + jobs aganst all advice?
Golriz – for making sh*t up?
Jones – fill in the gaps?
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May 29, 2019 8:14am
- David Garrett
  
  Lee C: Jesus…don’t they call that “spoiled for choice”??
  
  Number one has to be Mallard, surely? Accusing a person who has been found not guilty of anything by parliamentary services of being a rapist…when the the man hasn’t been charged with anything, and there is no evidence the police are even investigating a complaint about him. I will be amazed if Mallard doesn’t face a defamation suit over it – that will be a first: a Speaker of the house the defendant in defamation proceedings.
  
  Number Two: Genter, for completely disregarding all advice, and not giving a fuck about 360 jobs in a small town which badly needs them.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:19am
  - Komata
    
    David G@0819
    
    But where are the Nats in all this? Surely they should be baying for the heads of these people and moving a Vote of No Confidence in the Speaker, but their silence is deafening.
    
    Perhaps, Simon actually AGREES with what they are doing? (It’s difficult not to come to that conclusion).
    
    Thank you.
    
    (0829)
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      “moving a Vote of No Confidence in the Speaker,”
      
      Why? Do they now have a majority in the house?
      
      Use some common sense. Why pick a fight that you cannot win this far out from an election?
      
      Find me 10 labour voters that give a stuff what ardern, twyford, mallard etc are actually up to or on twyford’s case, not up too.
      
      FFS, can’t you see there is no point at this stage and keeping your gob shut when the big boys and girls are playing in your patch isn’t acceptance, it’s common sense.
      
      2020 is when the fun really begins unless these dickheads shoot themselves down before then but hey, ever seen a lefty walk away from the trough and while ardern may be a sainted candidate for the UN the rest are not.
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    genter or sage?
    
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    May 29, 2019 8:30am
    - john1234
      
      Sage.
      
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      May 29, 2019 8:52am
  - Chris R
    
    No #1 has to be Ardern after all she is meant to be in charge of this ridiculous gang and can’t manage it. #2 is Winston for doing this to us…after that it is a stampede!
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    It would appear that the Green Ministers are there with the sole intent (supported by action) of sabotaging the economy.
    
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    May 29, 2019 1:52pm
- Komata
  
  LeeC@0814
  
  You left out the PriNZess; single-handedly destroying the Taranaki oil and gas industry on a whim, just to make herself look good.
  
  (0823)
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:23am
- kevn
  
  @Lee… Did you mean sage rather than jag?
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:40am
- artemisia
  
  Add Curran to that list.
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Genter – for destroying 300 + jobs against all advice?.
  you mean Sage?
  Genter: for overseeing large increases in road toll, handing out large uncontested contracts for her husband’s firm and generally working against efficient roading infrastructure development.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    $360,000 isn’t large when you can “donate” $740 million to the neighbours.
    
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    May 29, 2019 3:03pm
Maggie Pie

When this popped up on my twitter feed last nite, i was horified to read what happened to this young white couple in South Africa. Then i got to thinking – what would the headline have been in the ‘NZ Horrid’ if something similar ocurred here?

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1133317572215091201

Just saying.
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May 29, 2019 8:17am
Nigel Kearney

Two things that need to change in the education system:

1. Performance pay, so teachers who are doing a great job can be paid a lot more without blowing the budget.

2. Group students by ability not age. With all students in the class at the same level you can achieve much more. Add in even a small number (whether special needs or not) who can’t do the work the rest of the class is doing and the teacher workload goes up dramatically.
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May 29, 2019 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  Wrong…. to a degree.
  
  What needs to change is the behaviour of pupils and in some cases their parents.
  
  Ask McCos about the behaviour of kids in Thailand and I have even seen kids in Oz that have more respect for themselves and their teachers than here.
  
  Bring back Charter Schools for the kids that need that and let’s get into the real world about race based behaviour.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:04am
MCos

In Myanmar seven soldiers were convicted of murdering 10 unarmed Rohingya men in cold blood in September 2018.
They were released last November after about a year.
Two local Reuters reporters who exposed the atrocity were also sent to prison on spurious charges. They were recently released after serving longer prison sentences than the actual murderers.
https://coconuts.co/yangon/news/soldiers-behind-inn-dinn-massacre-quietly-freed-in-november-report/
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May 29, 2019 8:39am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  This conflict has gone on for many years.
  Burma is predomently buddhist around 88%, Christian 6%, and Islam just over 4%.
  Christianity has grown 2% the others are stagnant in numbers.
  Normally I have found Buddhism to be a very peaceful religion, I guess because the way they worship and their religious beliefs are very different.
  How can 4% of the population be so hated?
  Easy really, just turn all around you into a shithole where no one can live with ones neighbours.
  A more interesting article in this link is, Buddhists shutting down Ramadan celebrations in Rangoon.
  If you push peaceful people far enough, there will be blowback, and this is what is happening.
  I have visited Burma the first time in the 1976 and last time a few years back. Wonderful people, very poor but extremely friendly. Never went to the west this last time, as I thought it a little out of my comfort zone safety wise. I strayed a little closer in the East than I should have and very close to the other conflict that has gone on for eternity with the hilltribes.
  An interesting visit to a supermarket in Rangoon, a security guard at the end of each aisle, reason shoplifting no, shop had been bombed.
  2013 there were numerous bombings carried out by muslims up and down the country.
  The other really interesting aspect to this is Bangladesh don’t want a single one of these people in their country, a Muslim country shunning their own.
  If you push pacifists hard enough, you will get blow back.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    While non-violence is a central tenet of Buddhism, plenty of Buddhists have engaged in war.
    Funnily enough, this is similar to many other religions – Islam (religion of peace) and Christianity (founded by the ‘prince of peace’).
    I wonder if your idea that the Rohingya brought this on themselves would resonate with Jewish survivors of Nazi genocide.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:00am
    - Jack5
      
      Tibetan style Buddhism is in a revival in Mongolia.
      
      Mongolians and the nomadic people of western Tibet traditionally have been quite warlike Buddhists.
      
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      May 29, 2019 11:00am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      To compare Jewish Holocaust to this situation is a tad over the top.
      I made some personal observations of Burma, there is and will be ongoing conflict, both sides have blood on their hands, The Rohingya are fast running out of options, Bangladesh treat them like Lepers, Burma really has had enough of their antics.
      When you represent just 4% unless you are Winston Peters, you really have no moral or legal authority to change the whole country to comply with your wishes.
      Why is it that not one Islamic country puts its hand up to give these people a home, won’t happen. Maybe New Zealand will.
      Burma has shown patience in this matter, maybe the Chinese solution would be a better solution, no one ever seems to mention this.
      
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      May 29, 2019 2:28pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They have not really been a peaceful group within Myanmar for some time.
        
        There used to be an old immigration adage at our borders… “if in doubt, throw them out”… works for me.
        
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        May 29, 2019 3:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Islam (religion of peace) ”
      
      Not like you to misspell something mikey.
      
      Should be “pieces” usually other people’s……..
      
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      May 29, 2019 2:58pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Methods that have been tried in the past to address human rights abuses like this:
  
  1. Send in troops – usually works but is very costly.
  2. Pass a UN resolution – pointless virtue signalling.
  3. Refuse to play sport against them – pointless virtue signalling and not really applicable here.
  4. Wring hands and say how terrible it is – pointless virtue signalling and has already been tried.
  
  What’s your preferred option?
  
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  May 29, 2019 11:00am
G152

Sounds as if rawshark has changed his political outlook.
Sorry labor but we can remember when you were happy that the nats were hacked and now your most serious budget is a byline..
Suck it up
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May 29, 2019 8:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Remember the good old days when Kiwibloggers could complain about Nicky Hager receiving ‘stolen’ emails (The Hollow Men, Dirty Politics)?
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I do. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. My question is for the Brash and Slater hacks (which were most definitely illegal, as opposed to what seems to be at this point simply clumsy document control on a public facing website): were they stolen to order?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:31am
  - Happychappy
    
    When the law made precedent of it by allowing Hager to make money out of a crime, that opened the gate for everyone else to obtain the same sort of information legally. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, as this is
    also in the realms of public interest.
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:42am
  - alloytoo
    
    I would rather complain about his defence of being a journalist when he claims the contents are in the public interest and yet take a year to publish (after he’s edited all his mates out)
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    No “hack” here mikey…..
    
    Probably one of your ex colleagues happily driving the final nails into the coffin of the coalition.
    
    Still, look on the bright side, National 2020 will revive the economy and your job prospects 😉
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:55pm
- tf78
  
  G152, if you can believe Grant Robertson when he said “some of the numbers leaked were correct and some were not” leads me to believe it was a leak not a hack. A hack would have correct numbers. Would be interesting to find out who’s telling the truth.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:59am
- rangitoto
  
  The page was even in google’s cache when I looked. So it was found and indexed by a google spider. LOL
  
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  May 29, 2019 11:15am
alloytoo

I have always wondered why the Left persist on recruiting children to their causes, an immoral approach in my opinion, however I then realized, the Dunning Kruger is strong in teenagers.
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May 29, 2019 9:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  If you are worried about that, you’ll be appalled by the sight of children being taken to church services.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    I have voiced my objection to Sunday School and church “Youth” groups from an early age and continue to do so.
    
    However the following of a culture practice is, in my opinion, a lesser harm than dragging children into acts of civil disobedience what ever the cause.
    
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    May 29, 2019 10:19am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Youth think knowledge is wisdom. Elderly think experience is.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Knowledge is just a collection of facts, discovered by someone with wisdom.
    Experience is wisdom, limited by the scope of the person experiencing them.
    Should be read along side:
    A wise man, is one who learns from his mistakes.
    A genius, is one who learns from the mistakes of others.
    
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    May 29, 2019 1:19pm
srylands

I dodged some UNICEF collectors on the street yesterday. They are insufferable. Anyway on the way back I saw them again. They had captured a young woman with a small child, who did not look like she had money to spare. I gathered that they were signing her up for monthly donations.
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May 29, 2019 9:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Dr. Ludwik Rajchman is regarded as the founder of UNICEF. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwik_Rajchman
  
  A very interesting character. He was of great ability and talent, but favored socialism and Big Government.
  Perhaps because he was born in a Poland that did not exist as a country at that time, he always felt himself an outsider, with no true sense of national identity. (He did have a pan-national identity, that you can find out for yourself.)
  Perhaps individuals who are highly intelligence and who have a lack of a sense of national identity are more inclined to want a “world government” for the rest of us. After all they probably truly believe that “they know what is best for us.” (And there in lies the danger.)
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:40am
Tricati

Teachers strike today – Are Charter schools on strike, oh no, that’s right labour closed them down.
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May 29, 2019 9:23am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “…oh no, that’s right labour closed them down.”
  Giving the unions more power to oppose them.
  They gave the unions the very stick, that they are beating them up with.
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:21pm
Happychappy

I’m not a Barry Soper fan but you have to admire him for putting aside the apparent hacking and then giving Simon Bridges the accolades for the way he has smacked Labour and Grant Robertson with precision with their well time release of different pieces of Thursdays Wellbeing Budget.
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May 29, 2019 9:25am
Maggie Pie

Made the time to watch Question Time again yesterday. As my partner is such a ‘political junkie’, its good to be able to have an intelligent conversation when he gets home. I still think the PM should wear her hair up. She looks sooo last century. (Although having spoken to a couple of girls that knew her from school, apparently she has always been very self-conscious about her big ears). I must say that Nikki and Paula are both looking really svelte and elegant. Someone i hadn’t noticed before, was Labor list MP, Ginny Andersen. Shes actually very very cure and looks a lot like my bestie Fleur. The thing that did shock me a bit, was to see Nashie has obviously been sharing Nanaia Mahuta’s hair dye – watch here at the 50s mark and see what you think:
https://vimeo.com/338789833
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May 29, 2019 9:26am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Digestive Health Day!
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May 29, 2019 9:27am
- sooty
  
  Yer, shitting me!
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  One for all the wankers on kiwiblog:
  International Masturbation Day.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Masturbation_Day
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:49pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    You took time out of participating, to write that?
    
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    May 29, 2019 1:25pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The link is broken
    
    Pointing this out for a friend . . .
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You’re a day late…
    
    I hope you haven’t been at it since yesterday……….
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:48pm
lastmanstanding

One of the hallmarks of good governance is setting policies to ensure a minimum of industrial disruption and strikes.

An economy that isnt working isnt working.

Over the none years of a National Government we saw very little industrial disruption.

Contrast that with the last 18 months.

Whilst the citizens may have some sympathy for those who strike eventually that wears off with the inconvenience it causes ( think Teachers Parents) and the citizens punish the Government they see as not able to set the right policies.

The question is will this be a factor in Election 2020.
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May 29, 2019 9:27am
- alloytoo
  
  I think many would view teachers salaries as a better spend than free tertiary education.
  
  This makes Hipkins argument of limited resources ring very hollow.
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:03am
- RW Capitalist
  
  question:
  Considering the. almost universal support, labour got from the teachers unions, before the election.
  What promise did Hipkins make to them, that he hasn’t kept?
  This current action by the teachers seems disproportionate.
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:06pm
  - alloytoo
    
    This is about money, but it’s not about greed.
    
    Teachers aren’t being paid enough to attract enough candidates to the profession to replace those leave, thereby increasing the workload for those remaining.
    
    However on the money side consider:
    
    We are entrusting our most valuable possessions (our children) to degree qualified professionals.
    
    Then we want to pay them (relative to other degree qualified professionals with far less responsibility) a pittance.
    
    Take the billion dollars being wasted on free tertiary education and give it to the teachers.
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:04pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Teaching, not a bad part time job.
      assume 40hrs/week for 38 weeks, (1520 hr/yr, compared to a minimum of 1800 hr/yr for other mortals)
      10 sick days,
      sabbaticals every 5 years
      study leave every 3 years
      Allowances for ANYTHING and everything
      
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      May 29, 2019 3:12pm
- Paulus
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:24pm
rightoverlabour

I found this on Facebook. I didn’t write it, but if gives some context to Hipkin’ s $10,000..lie.

Quote below:

The truth about the Ministry of Education’s pay offer: Hipocritkins, Cinderella, Trace Martini et al are deliberately fudging the facts and compressing timelines when they say most teachers will be $10K better off.

To be fair, Hipocritkins recently (13 May) clarified that the pay offer would result in an extra $10K a year for primary school teachers only, with secondary school teachers earning slightly less. I don’t know a single primary teacher who will be in this boat, and I do know a few primary teachers.

The reality is that a high school teacher currently in their first year of teaching will be receiving an additional $4748 in three years time. A secondary teacher at the top of the scale will be $8230 better off in three years time. So there is a lot of “creative accounting” at play already. One of my main issues with the offer is that the ministry steadfastly refuses to increase the value of management units, which recognise the huge amount of extra work we do in positions of responsibility such as Teacher in Charge of subjects / Head of Department, Dean / Year Level Coordinator / Progress Leader, middle and upper management, etc. These MUs have been frozen for around a decade if not more – we’ve effectively taken a significant pay-cut and yet this is still not being addressed at all.

The reality is that our contract expired in October last year and the government has no intention to backpay any settlement back to the date of the contract’s expiration, even though every pay increase MPs ever receive is backdated.

In my case, if we accepted this current offer I would be about $30 a week better off after tax. Putting that into context, last year when my house was sold and a new property investor landlord took it over, my rent was immediately increased by $55 a week. (Luckily I was successfully able to negotiate this down a tad.)

Here’s why we won’t accept this offer: the Reserve Bank of NZ’s Monetary Policy Statement (May 2019) predicted that inflation over the next 4 years will run at around 7.5%. In real terms this means that the government is actually offering most of us a 1.7% increase spread out over three years (factoring in the likelihood that we’re not going to settle any time soon this will actually take us four years beyond the expiration of our contract).

Does 1.7% spread out over 4 years sound at all like “a lot of money”, like the “really good offer” Hipocritkins (on his $288,900 pa salary plus perks) is saying teachers are being offered? When Hipocritkins said “Teachers have got high expectations of this Government and that’s fine, I’m happy to live up to those expectations as long as they’re reasonable”, did he really believe that 1.7% OVER FOUR YEARS was living up to expectations?

By buying into the tripe that the government peddles, you support lies, hypocrisy, and blatant dishonesty. You allow them to pull the wool over your eyes and dazzle you with stardust. Stardust won’t cover my rent. Stardust won’t convert a horrendously over-worked and underpaid profession into an attractive prospective career for anyone at all. Stardust won’t resolve the looming teacher crisis and ensure that your children or grandchildren will have sufficient, experienced, passionate, healthy, secure teachers in the classroom. Do you really want someone in the classroom who can’t operate to the best of their ability because they’re having to moonlight as an Uber driver to supplement their income in order to afford rent or save for a deposit?

The Labour Party manifesto 2017 made this statement regarding education: “we face the very real prospect of a
critical teacher shortage unless urgent action is taken to avoid it.” Does 1.7% over four years qualify as “urgent action”?
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May 29, 2019 9:37am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’m pretty good with numbers but even I get confused when everybody is trying to make numbers seem bigger or smaller than they are, by changing the time period or counting or not counting inflation.
  
  If only we had people whose profession it was to discover the facts and impartially present them in an understandable way so we can make our own minds up.
  
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  May 29, 2019 11:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    “If only we had people whose profession it was to discover the facts and impartially present them in an understandable way so we can make our own minds up.”
    
    That would be the role of the media……. which they have handed over to spin doctors for the current bunch of absolute liars.
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:46pm
Than

Has the government actually published what the Wellbeing metrics being used in the budget are (and the relative weighting being given to each)? Or is this information being released on budget day?

I’ll admit to being skeptical about the concept, mainly due to the issue of how to weigh different measures of wellbeing. Not everybody values the same things in life. For example, if we had a list of wellbeing metrics including;

1) Income
2) (Self-reported) job satifcation
3) Number of pets owned
4) Average number of sexual encounters per month
5) Number of friends
6) Number of out-of-town holidays taken
7) Valuation of primary residence
8) (Self-reported) Quality of relationship with family

… different people are going to put completely different importance to each of these. A teenage boy would probably rate 4 as much more important than 3, while a retired widow likely the other way around. A workaholic Wall-Street type might value 1 and 7, and not care about 5 and 8 at all.

There is also the difficulty of how to comparing metrics measured in different units. If the job-satisfaction question is answered on an Extremely Satisfied/Somewhat Satisfied/Neutral/Unsatisfied scale, how do we determine how many cats those answers are equivalent to?

I have no problem with the notion that GDP shouldn’t be the be-all-and-end-all of the budget (and I don’t believe it ever has been), and agree the welfare of Kiwis should be a major factor when allocating spending. I’m just unconvinced that attempting to quantify something as nebulous as “wellbeing” can be done in a way that produces meaningful or useful information.
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May 29, 2019 9:37am
- Tall Man
  
  I’m happy to report to all those concerned for my well being that I’m a 10 on all the above measures.
  
  I can also report that ardern and her bunch of numbnut liars have has and will continue to have little impact on my life…… awesome.
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:43pm
Lee C

Milky – remember the days when they claimed ‘one can be in politics without lying”?

https://youtu.be/MoS5zjqP5b8?t=683
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May 29, 2019 9:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘they’?
  Not a claim I would ever make. I can’t off the top of my head think of any politician who never lied.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    “I can’t off the top of my head think of any politician who never lied”
    
    Fixed it
    
    I can’t off the top of my head think of any politician who never lied as much as ardern, including two new ones this morning.
    
    I agree mike, she is a busy bullshitter….
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:41pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Lying, requires a definition.
  Lying…telling an untruth, that you KNOW is not true.
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  I flew to the moon, last night….is a lie.
  mikenmildagain, tells the truth…is just gullibility.
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:29pm
slightlyrighty

Who else remembers Jacinda on the campaign trail telling us that there would be no large or nationwide strikes on her watch, and that she would lead the most open and transparent government ever.

Now they are squealing about leaks on the day when the country’s teachers are all on strike, nationwide.
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May 29, 2019 9:45am
- Tall Man
  
  Big squirrel released……
  
  Learnt from “what’s in it for wynston” and leaked the stuff themselves to deflect.
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:39pm
kowtow

Been for a vehicular run through town , height of rush hour , no congestion at all.

To save the planet more pupils should stay at home more often.
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May 29, 2019 9:52am
Poppa

Isn’t it fun watching the “was it a hack or was it a leak” show

My guess is that it was a leak which they are trying to cover up with an alledged hack story

It just doesn’t add up that someone would be able to hack into treasury with all of the security they would have. It is probably true that there were numerous attempts at it but that could be happening all the time
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May 29, 2019 9:55am
- greybeard
  
  Of course it could have been a case of incompetence, and the info was made available on the website too soon.
  You know, by some whizzkid with no common sense.
  
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  May 29, 2019 11:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    “You know, by some whizzkid with no common sense.”
    
    I’m tempted to “report” you for saying ardern is a whizzkid………
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It feels like after spin trying to muddy the waters.
  Wait till there is more.
  
  I sense the avalanche is just starting. The COL asked for it by fraudulently offering themselves up as capable when all they are are ideologues in drag.
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:42pm
Swifty

Wow!

Hats off to NZ farmers, orchardists, hotriculturalists, scientists, marketers and all those who support them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/113030014/kiwifruit-and-wine-the-stars-of-92b-horticulture-industry

The only question in my mind is how much damage the current government will do to them through their anti-business policies between now and when they are chucked out.
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May 29, 2019 9:56am
- Bill felt
  
  The court of appeal is about to come out any day now with a confirmation that many Kiwifruit growers will get a payment from the Govt of $500m+ relating to the kiwifruit virus scare a few years ago. That will make a few growers happier
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:33am
  - Swifty
    
    As one directly involved with and affected by PSA, I would suggest this is reworded to ‘make a few growers less unhappy’ if indeed there is some compensation forthcoming – tinged with regret of course, given that it is taxpayer money.
    
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    May 29, 2019 11:21am
    - Rob2
      
      They will take it back in tax from this year on.
      
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      May 29, 2019 9:22pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/113021969/christchurch-stadium-could-cost-almost-1b-to-build-and-operate

“Christchurch’s long-awaited stadium could cost almost $1 billion to build and operate – with a bill to the city of potentially $18 million a year to run.

The cost of running the facility may be as much as $450m for the first 25 years of its life, equating to $1.5m a month.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z780YbuZE2M

Mayor Dalziel assures Chch Rate Payers that they will not be burdened with any stadium shortfalls.
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May 29, 2019 10:09am
- Jack5
  
  If they force a name change on the Crusaders, the ratepayer backlash on the stadium will surge along with the costs.
  
  The Christchurch City Council is screwing the blood out of the city’s ratepayers. Dalziel’s assurance on the costs isn’t worth a nob of possum dung.
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:24am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Thank you for your comment Jack5.
    
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    May 29, 2019 11:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    A “nob”… you exaggerate good sir.
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:35pm
Happychappy

Simon Bridges telling the media that National have done nothing illegal didn’t hack the Treasury site and Grant Robertson needs to tidy his act up and stop smearing the National Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235276
Bridges went even further saying it’s not just smears and lies Grant Robertson ” is lying.”
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May 29, 2019 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Well played Mr Bridges. He’s certainly pulled the rug out from under Labour in a week where they would expect to control the narrative. The General Debate this afternoon should be a rollicking affair!
  
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  May 29, 2019 10:20am
  - Ross12
    
    Don’t worry Audrey has got the message and has got the defence strategy into action. /sarc
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235374
    
    The Govt. is rattled.
    
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    May 29, 2019 12:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Behind the wall…. best place for a hack journo.
      
      “The Govt. is rattled.”
      
      More accurately, the govt is Rooted……..
      
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      May 29, 2019 2:33pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny TS @ 10.20 am Trotter doesn’t see it that way as he is convinced that it should have been done through the Media party? Tui moment.
    The best practice was the best option as it is now a matter of record having been raised in the House recorded word for word. A much better method of exposure of Government incompetence of an even bigger leak than the previous one on the drug referendum. Leaving the Media party to do what they do best with speculation and guesswork.
    
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    May 29, 2019 1:59pm
- rangitoto
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/strong-evidence-treasury-was-not-hacked/
  
  Has Robbo resigned yet?
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
    
    Is “what’s in it for wynston” awake yet?
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:31pm
Jack5

German anti-Semitism, the Far Right, Jews and a painting with a nude girl …

The odd pro-Islamic poster on Kiwiblog has been highlighting the Far Right’s role in anti-Semitism in today’s Germany.

However, it’s more complicated than these posters would have it.

The first link below is to an Israeli group’s defence of a German Far Right group using a poster featuring a painting of Middle Eastern slave traders with a naked white girl.

The group reprinted an essay by Raymond Ibrahim, an American writer on Islam and the Middle East who is the son of Coptic Christians and who is author of the book, “The Al-Qaeda Reader.”

The painting:

https://www.jta.org/2019/05/24/culture/conservative-pro-israel-group-defends-far-right-german-partys-poster-of-muslim-slavers?utm_source=JTA%20Maropost&utm_campaign=JTA&utm_medium=email&mpweb=1161-11129-4812

On Raymond Ibrahim – a Jewish view of the writer:

https://jewishjournal.com/tag/raymond-ibrahim/
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May 29, 2019 10:22am
Lee C

Sorry Milky I misinterpreted Jacinda’s remark about ‘being in politics and not lying’ as a statement about her leadership of The Labour Party, and how she would like to run things on behalf of the country..

Are you saying her leadership is flawed, or that Grant Robertson is lying or both?

It is hard to keep up with all that dancing on the head of a pin.
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May 29, 2019 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  Simple, they are all lying.
  
  There’s been a hack…… lie
  
  There’s a rapist…… lie
  
  It’s not an MP or staffer….. lie
  
  We don’t want a trial by media….. lie
  
  That’s not the budget…. lie
  
  There’s is no leak…. lie.
  
  And to top it all off regardless of what she says I am banned from calling adern a liar.
  
  Why has this happened in godzone?
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:26pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I am banned from calling adern a liar.
    
    You should stop whingeing. Take it up with DPF. Copy his reply to the rest of us.
    
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    May 30, 2019 6:40pm
Hugh Pavletich

China showing signs similar to Japanese housing bubble that led to its ‘lost decades’, expert warns | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3011960/china-showing-signs-similar-japanese-housing-bubble-led-its

• China’s housing market showing signs of bubble similar to that seen in Japan in 1980s, says Asian Development Bank Institute dean and CEO Naoyuki Yoshino

• China’s loose policy following 2008 global financial crisis laid foundations for current housing bubble, with US-China trade war adding to concerns
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China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900
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China dreams on hold: heartland city feels chill of economic slowdown – Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-henan-socialmobility-in/china-dreams-on-hold-heartland-city-feels-chill-of-economic-slowdown-idUSKCN1SY017
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An under-the-radar way to measure economic growth in China is painting a bleak picture … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/28/falling-diesel-fuel-demand-in-china-paints-bleak-picture.html
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May 29, 2019 10:49am
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND …

Westpac (Bank) commissioned survey suggests many New Zealanders still pine for the quarter acre dream when it comes to their homes … Gareth Vaughan … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99890/westpac-commissioned-survey-suggests-many-new-zealanders-still-pine-quarter-acre

Many New Zealanders still pine for a home with a backyard despite the densification and rise of apartment living in some of our major cities, a Westpac commissioned survey suggests.

The Nexus Planning & Research survey of 1,008 people aged 18 and over shows 49% consider a backyard essential when buying a home, and another 42% think one would be nice to have.

“It’s interesting to see that people consider having a backyard much more important than living close to work, public transport, parks or schools,” says Westpac’s Robert Hill.

“Owning a home with a nice backyard has traditionally been central to the Kiwi dream, and the recent rise in house prices and increase in apartments doesn’t seem to have dented that.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Access important recent Stuff articles by Joanne McCarroll, Catherine Harris and Jo Carroll … and too … The Guardians Eleanor Ainge Roy via the 2019 Section Performance Urban Planning …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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May 29, 2019 10:52am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … NEW ZEALAND …
  
  A net 27% of respondents to the ANZ Business Outlook survey expect weaker conditions in residential construction, while the employment outlook in the sector is now at a 10-year low too | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/business/99919/net-27-respondents-anz-business-outlook-survey-expect-weaker-conditions-residential
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:36pm
JibberJabber

The Socialist Utopia Cindy wants for us all,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7077245/Inside-slums-socialist-paradise-streets-Venezuelas-murderous-Crazy-Boys.html
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May 29, 2019 11:03am
secondcumming

The *commercial building sector* continues to be of real concern.
Imagine a large established business having decided not to renew their existing lease, after having signed up for new premises in the *Commercial Bay Precinct*…..on the basis it was to be ready to occupy earlier this year. And now being told it is likely to be yet another year away.

Market uncertainty, and the need to renegotiate short term leases on existing premises, must result in additional huge cost burdens and anxiety for the future.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12235356
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May 29, 2019 11:31am
Jack5

Is this a trend? Journos with non-gender-specific names?

On the Radio NZ web site, an article takes a look at whether companies paying thousands to get a “rainbow tick” are actually safe for LGBTQI people. (“LGBTQI” are the initials of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning and intersex.)

The kicker is that the writer of the article is identified by only one name – Murphy. Obviously neutral. Is that going to be the trend in bylines?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390787/box-ticking-are-rainbow-tick-workplaces-really-safe-for-lgbtqi-staff
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May 29, 2019 11:44am
- graham
  
  If so this will be very handy and save me some time.
  
  Rather than having to get to know individual journalists, so that I can avoid reading anything by them, I’ll now be able to judge solely by looking at the name:
  
  First name and surname? Worth looking at.
  Only one name? Move on, nothing worthwhile to see here …
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Only one name? Move on, nothing worthwhile to see here …”
    
    graham…….
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:22pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/living/113056052/family-trades-in-sixfigure-salary-for-freespirited-life-in-a-house-bus

Some might see a bunch of free spirits living the life.

I see a bunch of bludgers living the life by sucking the rest of us dry.

I have no problem if they want to “live the life” and get out of the rat race, but then they should also get their snouts out of the trough that the rat race provides for them too, including medical services, roads and the welfare system.
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May 29, 2019 11:50am
- Tall Man
  
  “”super frugal” with Cindy not only cooking most meals”
  
  Cooking your own meal is “frugal”…..
  
  Am I missing something here?
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:20pm
rangitoto

AI neural network program Leela crushes mighty chess engine Stockfish in TCEC 100 game super final. Kinda interesting. Agadmator covers one of the games on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g08qtNIoJhM
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May 29, 2019 12:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Saw a job ad recently on a UK website :
  ‘AI startup needs smart people’
  
  lol !!
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:21pm
Morrissey

Even more bad publicity for the Nasty Party

Their hatchet man was, and is [] a scoundrel….
https://thestandard.org.nz/whale-oil-the-book/
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May 29, 2019 12:15pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ah, The Standard; the last bastion of free speech and objective political opinion. {sarcasm ends}
  
  Thanks for visiting there Morrissey, but I’ve already had a shower today and I don’t want to make myself unclean, so I’ll pass.
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:22pm
Tony Stuart

Parliament should be fun this afternoon. I would suggest things will be pretty robust, and Speaker Mallard may have to borrow yellow and red cards from former provincial rugby referee, Hamish Walker, MP for Clutha-Southland.
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May 29, 2019 12:22pm
- Happychappy
  
  KS : To go with that Grant Robertson has a problem on his plate with the revelation that there is proof that treasury might not have been hacked.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/strong-evidence-treasury-was-not-hacked/
  How is Grant Robertson going to sleaze his way out of this. Will there be two senior Labour MP’s choking on their words when apologizing.
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:44pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/113081108/government-says-no-to-suicide-prevention-target-recommended-by-mental-health-and-addictions-inquiry

Government rejects targets.

Yup, just like the road death toll then. Reject targets and they go UP!
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May 29, 2019 12:22pm
- Prince
  
  Again, it’s all about how much they can spend, nothing about outcomes.
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve got it.
    
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    May 29, 2019 2:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  But cmm there is more. After stalling so long on this critical issue the best they can do is establish another Commission to pass the can kicking to. Making jobs again just like in the past that are over 500 already this week plus the new one recently in Taranaki.
  On top of all the U turns and broken promises, failure of key policies the only way failures are not avoided is to pass the buck by paying big bucks to more quangoes. Standard MO from Labour minus the subtleties of those who tried before. What happened to “Lets Do This”?
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:12pm
The Feed

““One, two, three, four, teachers walking out the door,” the crowd is chanting in Queen St.
“Five, six, seven, eight, we just want to educate.”
“What do we want?” the speaker asked over a megaphone.
“More teachers!” the crowd roared.
“When do we want it?”
“Now!””

Educate….

Hmmm. I think they mean “them”?
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May 29, 2019 12:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You object to the grammatical formation of ‘to educate’?
  
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  May 29, 2019 12:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  ~~Educate~~ Indoctrinate.
  
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  May 29, 2019 6:44pm
RW Capitalist

Well being budget, described?
Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that’s turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind
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May 29, 2019 1:40pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The windmills of Grant’s mind?
  
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  May 29, 2019 1:40pm
SPC

“Tanks not teachers”.

This shows a lack of both integrity and maturity of National’s leader that he would use spending on defence for personal political advantage.

If he really believed that higher pay for teachers was more important than defence capability, his party would have known of this long ago – and the caucus that saw fit to choose him as leader would have increased the education budget to increase teachers pay last pay round.
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May 29, 2019 1:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  And did ardern vote for the anti smacking legislation, did she vote for an increase in the “welfare budget” as proposed by Sir William English… did she vote to increase the “maternity leave” provisions shortly before taking off on maternity leave?
  
  History is what it is but I do not recall the teachers having strikes on a regular basis when National was the Government.
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:09pm
  - SPC
    
    Apparently they expect more from a Labour government. Figurately …
    
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    May 29, 2019 4:42pm
mikenmildagain

RIP Tony Horwitz, author of Confederates in the Attic and A Voyage Long and Strange.
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May 29, 2019 2:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  This book of his looks like great reading,
  
  “Confederates in the Attic: Dispatches from the Unfinished Civil War “(Vintage Departures)
  
  By Tony Horwitz
  
  “Propelled by his boyhood passion for the Civil War, Horwitz embarks on a search for places and people still held in thrall by America’s greatest conflict. The result is an adventure into the soul of the unvanquished South, where the ghosts of the Lost Cause are resurrected through ritual and remembrance.>>>
  
  “.In Virginia, Horwitz joins a band of ‘hardcore’ reenactors who crash-diet to achieve the hollow-eyed look of starved Confederates; in Kentucky, he witnesses Klan rallies and calls for race war sparked by the killing of a white man who brandishes a rebel flag; at Andersonville, he finds that the prison’s commander, executed as a war criminal, is now exalted as a martyr and hero; and in the book’s climax, Horwitz takes a marathon trek from Antietam to Gettysburg to Appomattox in the company of Robert Lee Hodge, an eccentric pilgrim who dubs their odyssey the ‘Civil Wargasm.’
  
  Written with Horwitz’s signature blend of humor, history, and hard-nosed journalism, Confederates in the Attic brings alive old battlefields and new ones ‘classrooms, courts, country bars’ where the past and the present collide, often in explosive ways. Poignant and picaresque, haunting and hilarious, it speaks to anyone who has ever felt drawn to the mythic South and to the dark romance of the Civil War.”
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Confederates-Attic-Dispatches-Unfinished-Departures-ebook/dp/B003YJEZXW
  
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  May 29, 2019 6:34pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    Does it cover the Letters
    sent from Lincolm to Karl Mark
    
    You would celebrate the American Civil
    War as the first Battle of the Communist
    Revolution wouldn’t you.
    
    For many that is what it was the whole
    it was about … Slavery well
    
    Do your reading
    
    https://www.marxists.org/history/international/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm
    
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    May 30, 2019 12:27am
Fletch

In the U.S, some 15 states have come to an understanding that they will not follow the rules of the Electoral College during an election. Charlie Kirk, founder and executive director of Turning Point USA points out that if more states do this and it turns into a popular vote, then Republicans will never win an election again.

The National Popular Vote is a campaign to evade the electoral college via an interstate compact wherein partner states — via their own statewide legislation — agree to cast their electoral votes based on the national popular vote, regardless of how their own state’s citizens voted.

“Few people actually realize that Democrats and the left have done this in 15 states, already,” began Kirk. “This is called the National Popular Vote Compact — an interstate compact — where essentially states have agreed to send their electoral votes to the winner of the popular.”

“It’s kind of a way to constitutionally reverse-engineer the brilliance of the electoral college,” added Kirk, elaborating on his Breitbart News column entitled, “The Electoral College Stands Between the Constitution and the Mob.”

Kirk warned, “If Democrats and the left pull this off, forget about it. We’ll have a less than five percent chance of ever winning another election again. This is exactly what the Founding Fathers tried to prevent, which is the tyranny of the mob of the inner cities.”

The Founders established the Electoral College for just this reason – so that everyone had a voice.

Abolition of the electoral college, de facto or otherwise, would lead to urban domination of presidential elections, noted Marlow.

“We would just become L.A., New York, D.C., a couple for big cities in Texas might get some attention, and then the middle of the country would get completely ignored if we went away from the electoral college instead of making it a state-by-state deal,” Marlow said.

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/05/28/charlie-kirk-if-democrats-and-the-left-kill-electoral-college-we-can-never-win-another-election/
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May 29, 2019 2:38pm
- SPC
  
  It was the Senate that was formed to prevent (a temporary) popular majority rule (assisted by its overlapping 6 year terms) – smaller states not being overwhelmed by the larger ones (as all have 2 Senators each).
  
  The real problem is in the House as parties in control of state governments gerrymander boundaries for advantage at the national level.
  
  The electoral college not so much.
  
  The states have their population level electoral college votes. That states that vote Democrat would choose a nationwide popular vote that gives the same result changes nothing. It’s empty posturing. It’s grievance signalling that the GOP President does not have a popular vote majority. And that is all it is.
  
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  May 29, 2019 2:58pm
- Jules99
  
  Funny how the electoral college was fine for Obama, Bill Clinton and Kennedy et al. Now, suddenly, it’s not.
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes Fletch, the electoral college is a bulwark against democracy. It would be simply awful if the president were chosen by a majority vote.
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:56pm
Ross12

So we are now told there is no damage to the Wellington City Central Library , so no insurance claim.
It would seem it is just caught by changes to earthquake building code rating changes. Why would anyone think of strengthening or rebuilding the library when in 5 years time the rating will probably change again, on a whim.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1905/S00147/insurance-wont-cover-wellington-library-fix-mayor.htm

This is just like what Maggy W pointed out the other day with the cycle way to Petone . On the one hand they are happy to spend $75+ mill on a cycle way on the shoreline but in the next breath they lecture us about rising sea levels.
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May 29, 2019 2:53pm
- SPC
  
  The project to build a cycle way from Petone to Wellington includes work to improve the seawall.
  
  What it lacks is the efficiency of a third south bound lane which would add little to the cost.
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:04pm
  - Ross12
    
    What seawall? Yes there are some rocks/blocks to stop erosion from waves but it is hardly a seawall.
    
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    May 29, 2019 4:30pm
  - The Feed
    
    Where will they be riding to?
    
    Their jobs will be underwater.
    
    Apparently.
    
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    May 29, 2019 6:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Because the building codes are changed ‘on a whim’. If only those code changes were informed by engineering opinion, huh?
  
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  May 29, 2019 3:58pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    There seems to be an army of ‘consulting engineers’ in Wellington who are very adept at clipping the ticket.
    
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    May 29, 2019 4:15pm
    - greybeard
      
      Yep.
      The wellington Public Library was their latest cash cow.
      
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      May 29, 2019 5:18pm
  - Ross12
    
    MM. My use of the phrase “on a whim” was tongue in cheek.
    But these engineers you speak of are probably the same guys/ladies who approved the design and construction of the Stats Building that is being demolished –enough said.
    
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    May 29, 2019 5:51pm
- Prince
  
  King Canute is famous as a fool who went down to the beach to command the tide retreat.
  Wellington councils are spending $75mil to keep the tide at bay. They have as much chance of success.
  Who’s the bigger fool ?
  
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  May 29, 2019 4:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You have your history wrong.
    
    Canute went down to the sea to show his followers that he was not infallible.
    
    What will it take to finally show the lefties that ardern is not to be either adored or trusted?
    
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    May 29, 2019 9:46pm
Fletch

Facebook censoring a conference on (ironically) Christianity and religious freedom.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/04/why-is-facebook-censoring-a-conference-on-christianity-and-religious-freedom/
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May 29, 2019 4:30pm
MrTips

NZ First, for immediate release to anyone, especially my mirror fanbase

Winston Peters announced today that he is furious with the National Party. Not angry. Furious. “In all my time in Parliament, and I’ve had a few gigs sonny girl, I can’t recall a more despicable attempt to tell the truth regarding a governmental budget. All this talk of “coalition of losers”, “old naughty”, “amateur hour” and being a “drunken half awake old soak” is just the kind of unnecessary petty name calling that I’ve had to endure over the years. Now, the despicable National party is bandying around actual Treasury numbers that ultimately Grant left open and clear on the internet. Disgraceful”.

When questioned over just how furious he is, Mr Peters replied. “Now look here, on a scale of 1 to Provincial Growth Fund, its a full on well bred, good looking nag. And I’ve done more budgies than Brian Tamaki’s seen hot sinners, so that’s an indication of the scurrilous, despicable sort of thing the National Party is engaging in here”.

When asked what PM Ardern thought about him making this kind of statement, Mr Peters asked “who?”

BWAHAHAHAHA
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113055687/live-national-party-claims-its-got-leaked-budget-details
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May 29, 2019 5:05pm
- Swifty
  
  Very good.
  
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  May 29, 2019 7:06pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Typical Winston – he has ‘proof’ that the National Party obtained the budget information illegally…
  (Oh, they might have had help from a third party too).
  How many times has he said things like this in his career and proven to be wrong?
  
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  May 29, 2019 8:20pm
Happychappy

Can anyone come up with the name of a Speaker of Parliament that has used the saying shut your mouth. I find it disturbing and crude that Mallard uses the saying to emphasize his control.
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May 29, 2019 6:16pm
The Feed

Greens, when your BS is even seen through by teachers, it’s time to put a fork in it – you’re done.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nzgreens/status/1133492237399019523

A sputtering end to a pointless party.
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May 29, 2019 6:21pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm I wonder how Hipkins is feeling tonight? And why has stuff not reported a jot on Nikki Kaye’s statements about the negotiations? Tanks, Not Teachers, I hope the labour Loving Teachers think good and hard about who they should be voting for next time round. In the 22 or so years I have been teaching in New Zealand, there has been less industrial action under Nat governments and better negotiations. The last time there was massive industrial action was when Mallard was ruining the show….
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May 29, 2019 6:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Nikki Kaye is surely too clever to try the “Teachers, not Tanks” line.
  
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  May 29, 2019 6:57pm
nasska

“In a way, the world−view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.”

― George Orwell, 1984
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May 29, 2019 6:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But what is in Room 101?
  
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  May 29, 2019 6:52pm
  - nasska
    
    Rats!
    
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    May 29, 2019 7:30pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks nasska.
  
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  May 29, 2019 7:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Could someone flip through all of this Treasury LSF – dashboard stuff…and tell me if this being is well?

https://nztreasury.shinyapps.io/lsfdashboard/
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May 29, 2019 7:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Looks like a load of crap to me.
  
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  May 29, 2019 9:39pm
Suze Wainwright

Couldn’t really fathom Audrey Young’s and Claire Trevett’s articles in the NZH today.
Young says Bridges had to do two things surrounding his budget information re saying how he got the information and why he didn’t go the Police with it. Trevett says the whole announcement was a smokescreen for the National Party not to have to talk about Alfred Ngaro and the Party review… Really!?
I don’t think Bridges had to do anything re the budget information he had – especially now as it seems the information never came from a systematic, illegal hack (the Cindy & Grant Show in the House at QT proved that! – even Mallard didn’t jump in (much)).
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May 29, 2019 8:16pm
Jack5

A good, detailed exposition on the poor performance of the NZ economy at Michael Reddell’s Croaking Cassandra blog.

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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May 29, 2019 8:23pm
Jack5

Speaking out for New Zealand free speech!

1. David Cumin – https://youtu.be/gboFpLktQO8

2. Stephen Franks on the views of the Human Rights Commissioner – https://youtu.be/J1O1onS4HTo
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