General Debate 7 November 2019

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Last night was really bad for Donald Trump. (Or, as I’m going to refer to him from now on, Orange Donny – Trump loves to give opponents nicknames, so it seems only fair he have one too).

Despite Orange Donny personally campaigning for him, Republican Gov. Matt Bevin has lost the Kentucky governors race (pending a possible recount) to Democrat Andy Beshear. This despite Kentucky being a deeply red state (Cook Partisan Index R+15, and Trump won it by 30% in 2016) and the advantage of incumbency. Even if the recount does result in a narrow victory for Bevin, the size of the swing against him would still make this a very bad sign for Orange Donny and Republicans.

They can’t blame voter apathy either; turnout was 40% higher than the last governors race. People were paying attention to this race, they cared enough to get out to vote. And they voted against Orange Donny’s anointed candidate.

I assume they’ll try to console themselves with the excuse that Bevin was an unpopular governor. Which is true, but trying to blame an upset this big entirely on that one factor seems pretty optimistic.
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November 7, 2019 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  Than, by the time the big election comes about we might see Comey dressed in orange.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkmJsTk9RQ&feature=youtu.be
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:44am
  - Michael
    
    Comey and the others in orange. Please!
    
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    November 7, 2019 4:15pm
- oldpark
  
  Why only tell part of the story Than. Dont let the truth get in the way for some fake news on your part.
  Truth is a Libertian split the vote to the the tune of 28,000 votes. Most of the Libertian votes would have made sure the Republican candidate would have bolted in . Get your facts right and stop trying to mirror CNN and NZs fake news MSM.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Reports from Kentucky suggest legislators are considering calling the governor’s election ‘contested’ and so to be reviewed by the general assembly.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:49am
- Simon
  
  Yesterday, was a pretty good day for the GOP in elections. Of course if you listen to the fake media it wasn’t. The GOP swept MS, they swept KY except for gov, they lost a couple state Senate and house seats in VA, Sanctuary City status was defeated in Tuscon, AZ.
  
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  Don’t listen to fake news. Sad.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:53am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Yes, the Republicans won a bunch of safe Republican seats. A great and famous victory!
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    lost a couple state Senate and house seats in VA
    
    The removal of the racial gerrymander has actually see the republicans lose control of both houses of the Virginia legislature. But nice spin.
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:11am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘The Virginia Republican Party did not run candidates in 33 races for seats in either the state Senate or the House of Delegates.
      According to a review of the state election results from Tuesday, Democrats faced no Republican challenger in 10 out of 40 Senate races or 25 percent.
      The Republicans had no candidate on the ballot in 23 out of 100 House of Delegates races or 23 percent.’
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So? How did withdrawal from non-competitive races affect anything?
        
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        November 7, 2019 10:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  There were five other positions up for Election.
  How did they go?
  Lol
  Bevin was a ‘Ryan’ Republican and was wanting to cut Education, Teachers Pensions and Taxes.
  Unpopular is an understatement. The Teachers mobilised against him big time.
  Before Trump campaigned for him he was 17 points behind and after Trump helped ended up only .3 behind.
  Beshear is also a ‘very’ moderate Dem. He used to be AG. The Republican who won the vacant AG slot won it by +15!
  Nice try though Than.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:54am
  - Than
    
    Republicans can take some comfort in the five positions they won, sure. But Donny can’t. He tied his colors very firmly to Bevin’s campaign, endorsing him and directly asking people to vote for him.
    
    The Republicans who won didn’t get this Orange Donny seal of approval. Donny was the loser last night, big time.
    
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    November 7, 2019 8:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep, and Trump increased Bevins Vote from 17 points behind to only .3
      Numbers don’t lie Than.
      Also Trump campaigned for ALL of them. Not just Bevin. He had them all up on the stage at his Rally.
      Only a disengenuous liar would blame Trump for Bevins loss and not credit Trump for the others success.
      Sad!
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:32am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The vote falling away is one thing. But the impeachment inquiry is also taking a turn for the worst. I don’t think Trump has any loyalty to anybody so I wonder when he will turn against Giuliani. This on the former ambassador to Ukraine, threatened by her own Government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZxhTxKZXM
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:04am
    - All_on_Red
      
      What ‘Vote falling away’?
      The GOP lost one spot by .3 and creamed the other five Elections in Kentucky.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:29am
      - Than
        
        LOL, sure. In a state where the partisan lean has a generic Republican candidate winning by 10-15% or more, Trump holding it to only barely losing is somehow still a victory?
        
        That’s like the All Blacks being happy only losing against Namibia by 20-19, or the Patriots only just beating the Bengals with a last minute field goal.
        
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        November 7, 2019 2:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      Come on BM, you know that ‘impeachment’ is a catch cry which is increasingly being laughed at. Won’t and can’t happen, Schist is pissing into the wind with his Star Chamber.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:38am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Inandout, Giuliani’s not laughing apparently:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZxhTxKZXM
        
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        November 7, 2019 9:59am
  - Michael
    
    Thanks for outing Than.
    It is good to know who’s who in the zoo.
    
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    November 7, 2019 4:17pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “I assume they’ll try to console themselves with the excuse that Bevin was an unpopular governor. Which is true, but trying to blame an upset this big entirely on that one factor seems pretty optimistic.”
  
  All of that dibble, then you hit the nail on the head by your own admission.
  
  BTW “Orange Donny”? How old are you?
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:56am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    *dribble
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:03am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    “Orange Donny” is a stupid nickname for Mr Trump.
    It should be “Donny Orange”. That rolls off the tongue much more easily.
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:07am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Nah. They are both infantile. People need to grow up in my estimation.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:11am
    - Simon
      
      Fake news is off the charts. At the moment NYT and LAT are degrading the American family that was murdered by Mexican cartel.
      
      If you read something in MSM it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. If you form your opinions based solely on MSM you will be wrong. They lie constantly.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:14am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps it would be better to leave the childish nicknames to the pussy grabber-in-chief:
    ‘Crazy Joe’ Biden
    ‘Low-energy’ Jeb Bush
    ‘Crooked Hillary’
    ‘Lyin’ Ted’ Cruz
    ‘Nervous Nancy’ Pelosi
    ‘Pocahontas’ Elizabeth Warren
    etc, etc
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:18am
    - MrTips
      
      Perhaps it would be better to leave the childish nicknames to the pussy grabber-in-chief”
      
      You mean the person who used work in our current PM’s office?
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:44am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sure. That’ll be just fine when we have a tape of that guy saying “You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
        
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        November 7, 2019 10:00am
    - Inandout
      
      m&m, sadly Biden is losing it big time, Hillary can’t tolerate people looking into Bill’s fooling around, Nancy is crazy and Liz is an Indian. You forgot Shifty Schist.
      
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      November 7, 2019 10:10am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      “Perhaps it would be better to leave the childish nicknames to the pussy grabber-in-chief”
      
      Get some self-awareness. It’s never too late.
      
      I think what distinguishes Trump and his nicknames, is that they are a) typically accurate; and b) very funny.
      
      In contrast, “Pussy-grabber-in-Chief” and “Orange Donny” for instance are just woeful.
      
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      November 7, 2019 11:18am
      - gump
        
        I’m quite fond of the nickname: Agent Orange.
        
        Probably because I’m old enough to remember the devastation caused by the original Agent Orange.
        
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        November 7, 2019 1:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Wasn’t all losing. Daniel Cameron won Tuesday’s race for Kentucky Attorney General, and it was a historic victory. He is going to be the Commonwealth’s first African American Attorney General ever, as well as the first Republican Attorney General since 1948.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:50am
chaos

I would go further. Two or more years imprisonment is a bad example, we should know if they are found guilty of or plead guilty of a crime. Under this theory the labour youth camp rapist can become an mp because he got away with it. The teenager that raped a couple of girls and got a slap on the wrist because he was an future sports star could become an mp.

* Momentum is building in Parliament for more transparency around who the public is voting for in local body and parliamentary elections.

National MP Matt King has put forward a Members’ Bill that would require the disclosure of candidates’ criminal convictions if the offences resulted in two or more years’ imprisonment. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/bill-would-force-political-candidates-to-disclose-criminal-convictions.html
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November 7, 2019 8:33am
- cmm
  
  This is ridiculous. Surely those standing for office should be providing all information on criminal convictions, bankruptcies etc and it is up to the voters to determine what they consider acceptable or not.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:42am
  - Than
    
    In principle I’d want added to that list – whether they are going to take a leave of absence during their term, or anticipate not being able to complete the full term.
    
    Taking leave or planning on serving a part-term shouldn’t be disqualifying for a candidate. But voters absolutely have the right (or should have the right) to know whether they are going to get somebody in the role full-time and for the full term before they cast their vote. If a majority decide they’re happy with that, great.
    
    Not practical of course; once elected the MP will just claim the leave/retirement is the result of unexpected events or circumstances beyond their control (yeah, right) and there wouldn’t be much that could be done about it.
    
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    November 7, 2019 8:55am
    - MCos
      
      You mean commit themselves to a full term in opposition if their party loses the election?
      I would suggest that no prospective MP is going to commit themselves to no taking a period of leave.
      Who would go three years without a break of some sort if the need or opportunity arose?
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:23am
      - cmm
        
        Of course you should make allowances for unexpected illness etc, but things that are not acceptable are failing to disclose:
        1) Winning a position then resigning in a huff thus forcing a new election.
        2) When you’re pregnant or trying and are going to take time out for maternity leave/splitting responsibilities.
        3) When you have some serious condition (medical, mental etc) meaning you are likely to be unable to fulfill your duties.
        
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        November 7, 2019 9:35am
      - oldpark
        
        Yes especially when they got 56 seats and the present bunch got windbags got 46 seats. Maybe that is why they are getting out of a corrupt system when the ringmaster is in court on another matter attempting to defend the indefensible.Nuff said.
        
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        November 7, 2019 9:46am
- pb
  
  I would guess that the revolutionary left parties have a lot of skeletons in the closet to go, given the recent skeletons that have escaped. No way they will support this.
  
  All revolutionaries begin with sexual revolution:
  
  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/781664.The_Sexual_Revolution
  
  Although a truly conservative opposition (cleared of bad eggs) might. An opportunity to shine then. Matt King’s proposal of a public confession sounds good to me.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    pb ,
    
    “All revolutionaries begin with sexual revolution:”
    ???
    
    Excepting the American revolutionarie?. The Bolsheviks and Stalin proved more puritcannical thant their Romanov predecessors!
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:45am
    - pb
      
      Sure, that’s a bit of generality in that, but the Bolsheviks started off free-lovin, and Stalin had to stomp it out in the 30’s as it was tearing their new experiment apart:
      
      https://www.rbth.com/history/328265-russian-sexual-revolution
      
      American puritanism and the English Victorian puritan era was a reaction against the terror of the age: The French Revolution, the Marquis de Sade, and Napoleon. A porno show if ever there was.
      https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2885224.Marquis_de_Sade
      
      The English didn’t want to catch whatever social venereal meme the Europeans had gotten. Eventually though, they caught it. The 60’s happened.
      
      Now, in clown world, we have transvestite story hour in a school near you.
      
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      November 7, 2019 12:44pm
cmm

Spare a thought for the people of Zimbabwe.

The comrade government have re-floated their currency leading to immediate triple-digit inflation. They are firing up the printing presses as soon as they can afford to buy paper and ink (seriously) which is going to increase inflation further.

Electricity is now only available for 5 or so hours per day.

The water supply system in Harare has failed and people are collecting drinking water from boreholes.

Unemployment is approx 90%.

A third of the population have fled. More fleeing now. Unfortunately the passport office has run out of paper and ink, so the passport processing is about 400,000 passports behind.

Public service doctors have been on strike for two months and many were fired in the last 24 hours leaving just a handful on duty. Not that it really matters since the hospitals lack medicines, electricity and running water. Doctors get paid approx $US50 per month – not even enough to pay bus fares.

Public service workers are also on strike for more pay. A teacher’s monthly pay will hardly fill a hand basket with groceries or half-fill a car’s petrol tank or buy two chickens.

Over half the people in Zimbabwe are starving as Zim only manages to produce about 20% of its needs this year. Sure floods and droughts have had a hand in this, but it is mostly due to incompetence and corruption.

Of Air Zimbabwe’s fleet of 6, only one plane is flying and the rest are grounded in extended “maintenance”.

But, hey, there’s a bright side: the government has just bought two new 777s and have also said Zimbabwe will be exporting diesel and electricity in a few years. And Emmerson Mnangagwa recently received the Pearl Of Africa award for outstanding leadership!
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November 7, 2019 8:33am
- igm
  
  Bet the population yearn for a return to “Rhodesia”, with a booming economy, plenty of food, housing, and no tribal dictators handling the cash.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:36am
  - Evadne
    
    I’ve never forgotten the comments of black Zimbabwean I heard some years back. Asked if he blamed the British colonists for his country’s woes, he replied “Yes.” He then added, “I don’t blame them for coming. I blame them for leaving.”
    
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    November 7, 2019 8:59am
  - alloytoo
    
    Bet the population yearn for a return to “Rhodesia”, with a booming economy, plenty of food, housing, and no tribal dictators handling the cash.
    
    and those are the one’s living illegally in Johannesburg.
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:07am
  - Inandout
    
    igm, I couldn’t believe it when an Indian chap said life was much better under the British Raj.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:12am
- chaos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:37am
- mandk
  
  Also on the bright side, Maduro and Corbyn both think the Zimbabwe leadership is doing just fine.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:42am
- rererangihirihiri
  
  PNG to Zimbabwe, “hold my beer”.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:11am
- Random T Person
  
  Rhodesia was once the most prosperous nation in the world.
  Think about that for a moment.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:07am
- freethinker
  
  What a wonderful example of Africans solving Africa’s problems – perhaps population elimination through starvation and Murder is the policy which S Africa is now following. On a different subject I hear that Scientists have found a Gene that increases a primates brain power – could this be a long term solution to Africa’s problems? Continent of the Apes?
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Whinge as much as you like bu there is no question of going back to the” good old day”s of Smith and the UDC
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:46am
  - calendar girl
    
    Callous and indifferent as always, stephie, towards the man-made hell inflicted by “reformers” on poor, innocent people.
    
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    November 7, 2019 1:19pm
  - cmm
    
    Corruption, and being enabled by poxy lefties, will ensure that it takes a long time for Zimbabwe to come right – if ever.
    
    Some countries, such as Nigeria and Zambia, are welcoming ex-Zim/South African white farmers because they understand the value of skills.
    
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    November 7, 2019 3:06pm
    - Ruahine
      
      Quite a lot of interesting You Tube doco’s about the white Farmers from Sth Africa going to work on Chinese owned farms in many places in Southern Africa. Many people would be surprised at the amount of land in Africa under Chinese government control. They would also be surprised at the number of Chinese citizens living in Africa. Like over a million. They are needed of course to keep the mines working and the power generation continuing so as to keep their industries running.
      
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      November 7, 2019 5:42pm
mikenmildagain

Hey! It’s Hungarian Opera Day. So party like a Hungarian opera lover!
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November 7, 2019 8:34am
- Simon
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzo-qe6jxOo
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Lovely.
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:37am
chaos

Question about this gst that is coming in shortly.

If I have a relative that lives in America purchase my supplement from amazon then he sends it to me would I still have to pay the tax on it when it enters the country?
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November 7, 2019 8:35am
- cmm
  
  Yes. Tax has to be paid on all imports. Of course you might fiddle the paperwork, but that’s illegal and can result in goods being confiscated, penalties etc.
  
  Depending on the state you might end up paying twice since Amazon charges state GST according to the state where your relative lives.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:46am
  - chaos
    
    Thanks for that.
    
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    November 7, 2019 8:50am
  - alloytoo
    
    So further question.
    
    What if one’s overseas vendor does not meet the NZ turnover requirements for GST registration?
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      I expect the same applies as now: GST payable on imports worth over a certain amount.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:37am
    - srylands
      
      The whole thing is going to be a cluster****
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:46am
      - freethinker
        
        Just another benefit -not- of voting for this Coalition of Losers & Liars.
        
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        November 7, 2019 10:33am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  And from December 2019 GST will start being collected on the value and shipping costs of all packages coming into New Zealand shipped through NZ Post YouShop freight forewarding service.
  
  I suspect that YouShop services will show a downturn in activity.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:00am
  - freethinker
    
    And I expect Customs will be seeking more staff and more pay, and more delay in receiving imported goods.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:34am
Yvette

Winston’s court case. Media have recorded –
Boyle had consulted State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, who in turn consulted Solicitor General Una Jagose, before Tolley and State Services Minister Paula Bennett were told.

But Bryce Edwards this morning says – It’s yet to be proven that the National politicians were in any way involved in the leak – even if it seems highly likely. But what is not in doubt is that the dirt on Mr Peters was passed on to his political opponents by public servants. Mr Peters is right to challenge this.

I look forward to the court case covering what advice Solicitor General Una Jagose gave, if any.
Did the Solicitor General agree it was correct to “pass on dirt”, as Bryce Edwards states?

I wonder what Edwards would have made of an item had one hypothetically said –

It has been confirmed that two Department Heads did officially know of super overpayments to Winston Peters, but did not pass that information on under the “no surprises” policy for fear of prejudicing post-Election coalition negotiations between Winston Peters and National, since they anticipated some journalists would consider National suspect of any possible leaks.
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November 7, 2019 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  That Edwards puts a dirty politics spin on this is entirely unsurprising, given the red-tinted spectacles he views the world through.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:07am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Gray also said there was no fraudulent act but rather a mistake over an incomplete form, but that isn’t what is being said on message boards;
    “Gray said Peters’ lawyer had “dealt with the payment irregularity as if it were an allegation of fraud by the plaintiff” but it was a mistake over an incomplete form.”
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:23am
- Brian McDonald
  
  But Gray said: “Defamation deals with the publication of untrue facts. This case involves the publication of true facts.”
  Said by Tolley’s lawyer yesterday. One of the questions is what about ‘untrue facts’ that are embellishments of the allegedly true facts. If there had been no leak there would have been none of the defamatory comments made on message boards which have stretched the truth on this matter. No idea if Henry and Peters will see it that way but there’s plenty of evidence of it.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:16am
  - david
    
    Surely the term ‘ untrue facts’ is an oxymoron and totally self contradictory?
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:44am
Right of way is Way of Right

So, now senior officials in the immigration department are making policy on the hoof because the minister is asleep at the wheel. Ian Lees-Galloway and Phil Twyford appear to be engaged in a race to see who can be the most incompetent minister, which, in a party that includes the likes of Carmel Sepuloni and Kelvin Davis, is one hell of an accomplishment, although strangely enough, not one that the part time Prime Minister managed to squeeze in to her two and a bit minute propaganda video last week.
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November 7, 2019 8:40am
- artemisia
  
  Big surge in arranged marriages visa applications coming right up. Or it may be more accurate to say ‘arranged marriages’.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:49am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Where are all the Feminists complaining about the concept of an ‘arranged marriage’? That concept seems fairly coercive to me.
    
    Then again, the Indians can do what they wish, as it is their culture. However, it doesn’t seem to me to be a very enlightened practice, and antithetical to the principle of individual freedom. Are they us, Jacinda?
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:09am
    - artemisia
      
      I don’t have a problem with arranged marriages. I do have a problem with the slippery slope of cultural issues impacting visa approvals.
      
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      November 7, 2019 9:51am
    - Sacha
      
      What’s the fuss about arranged marriages? My Indian neighbours who had lived lived in NZ since they were children, sent their daughters back to family in India for holidays with extended family, and when they had finished their education went back to India to choose a husband who had already been selected as a suitable candidate. This person would come from the same caste, and the families would be known to each other. Romantic love didn’t enter the picture – good character, security and the ability to earn enough money to keep one’s family, and a good reputation were priorities. It was expected that love would follow, and indeed after 25 years, these NZ women are still happily married to their India-born husbands. The men are successful and law-abiding New Zealanders and they all value their Indian backgrounds.
      And their daughters visit India regularly –
      
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      November 7, 2019 10:05am
      - artemisia
        
        I have lived right next door to two Indian families with arranged marriages. All parties highly educated and a credit to New Zealand. One couple seemed happy. One definitely did not. Loud, bitter and regular arguments. I could hear every word even with the windows closed.
        
        Small sample of course.
        
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        November 7, 2019 10:55am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        The primary issue here is not the cultural practice. It is changing our rules to accommodate cultural practice. Should we allow incest due to the fact that, as a widespread cultural practice, Muslim fathers sleep with their daughters? I don’t think we should.
        
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        November 7, 2019 11:02am
- John Warren
  
  Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Sepuloni was at least a little less incompetent than most of the others.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    That’s faint praise for her.
    To be not as bad as the others!
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    Isn’t she the one that thinks Job Seeker benefits have spiked due to population growth?
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:13am
  - cut n paster
    
    Who mentioned “Krazy Carmel”? 🙂
    
    https://ibb.co/p2wN9jf
    
    Spend it, like you stole it – Wooo Hooo!
    
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    November 7, 2019 11:21am
mandk

Annual employment growth down by 74% between Sept 2017 and Sept 2019.

Stunning delivery!
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November 7, 2019 8:40am
Prince

Deputy PM Winston Peters says the hard line taken by Dept of Immigration on Visa partnership rules was taken as a result of NZ First intervention.
PM Jacinda Ardern says Immigration took the decision off their own bat and not as a result of NZ First intervention.

What do we make of two proven inveterate liars contradicting each other? We could ask Peters for proof such as a letter or meeting details when the instruction was given, but we all know that would be a waste of time.
In the end Peters will bluster through this, Ardern will move on, the media will return to important things like Chris Luxon’s religion. Our faith in politicians having a skerrick of integrity will diminish a little more.
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November 7, 2019 8:43am
- chaos
  
  I am surprised Winston hasn’t stated he is saving the tax payers money by receiving the correct superannuation payment now.
  
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  November 7, 2019 8:51am
Happychappy

Winston and Shane Jones have got the reaction that they wanted from Jacinda and Labour over the Indian Immigration Visa problem, NZ First want to take the anti Immigration stance to the Election knowing it will improve there percentage of the vote and Jacinda can’t risk a Indian rejection in the vote at the next Election as it could result in the demise of about after one term.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12282962
There is over 177,000 Indian immigrants out there and with other Nationalities probably thinking they could be next Labour can’t afford to take the risk.
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November 7, 2019 8:46am
Maggie Pie

A friend tweets – and i must say i couldn’t agree more 🙁

https://twitter.com/Ahhmandah/status/1191883827691393025
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November 7, 2019 8:50am
cmm

Did realestate.co.nz do any thinking when selecting their model for their ad?

https://www.facebook.com/realestate.co.nz

He looks just like ILG, but then also says something rather dumb so perhaps this is a deliberate piss-take.
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November 7, 2019 8:51am
peterwn

On Tuesday Mike Hosking rabbited on about local body elections –
“If they can’t count the votes properly, why vote at all?”
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mike-hosking-if-they-cant-count-the-votes-properly-why-vote-at-all/

He was especially referring to the Wellington Mayoralty election but I think he has his wires badly crossed. He seems to think that it is merely a counting error and if votes were more carefully counted there would not be a problem. He does not recognise the issue is not the counting itself but how voting papers which are incorrectly filled in, ambiguous etc are treated. If he had followed it more carefully he would have realised that – but hey! that would spoil a ‘good’ article. He would quickly be whistling a different tune if he was in the shoes of the returning officer and would realise that the issue is one of interpreting the ambiguous votes in the light of electoral law.

He also criticised winning candidates being drawn by lot in the event of a tie and considered it frivolous. He fails to realise that this is a requirement of electoral law and a returning officer is required to do this although the returning officer is left to choose the method which he or she would use in consultation with the tied candidates.

Cannot we have some real journalism, please.
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November 7, 2019 8:54am
- cmm
  
  I think it is fair to speak of poor definitions of eligibility as a “counting problem” and does not invalidate what he is trying to say: why vote if they don’t know how to count the votes?
  
  When speaking, or writing, you can’t cover ever little detail and definition and broad language is often required to make the material. To do so makes the language very cumbersome.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:44am
  - peterwn
    
    The Judge is likely to rule in the next few days whether a formal recount is to proceed. If the Judge upholds the Returning Officer’s decisions (ie interpretation of the law) then there is no ‘counting problem’.
    In particular the rules on what constitutes invalid votes are quite clear and Justin is effectively arguing against these rules. If the Judge upholds these rules , there is no mis-counting even with a very wide interpretation of what this means and hence the whole thrust of Mike’s article would fall flat on its face.
    Mike could have injected more precision into his article without making it unduly cumbersome. He is IMO either intellectually lazy or is relying on excessive licence to make the article hang together.
    
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    November 7, 2019 11:54am
- MCos
  
  Mike Hosking reminds me of the old Tina Turner song ‘Private Dancer’
  
  I’m your private dancer, a dancer for money
  I’ll do what you want me to do
  I’m your private dancer, a dancer for money
  And any old music will do…
  
  You want a column? Here’s a column.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:54am
- Steve Todd
  
  Good post, Peter. I agree, not Mike’s finest opinion piece.
  
  If a toss of the coin is “frivolous”, then so, too, is any other method of breaking a tie (short of holding another, expensive, election with the candidates being those who were tied. If there were more than two tied candidates, single-vacancy STV might better be used).
  
  When the electoral system is FPP, I think electoral officers should make use of the random number service, at https://www.random.org/. This is an example of what they could do: First, a number could be derived by the True Random Number Generator (on the RHS of the screen), being a number between the ages of the (almost always) two tied candidates.
  
  The minimum number might be Jack 56 and the maximum number Jill 68. If the random number is 63, then Jill becomes ‘Heads’ and Jack ‘Tails’. If the random number is 62, simply repeat the process. (If the candidates are both the same age (say 53), then enter their age plus days, e.g., 53138 and 53279, instead.)
  
  Then, at Coin Flipper, here: https://www.random.org/coins/, the Australian $1 coin could be flipped 25 times. If ‘Heads’ comes up 14 times and ‘Tails’ 11 times, then Jill becomes Cr Jill, and Jack returns to his normal day job. In the context of FPP elections, what could be simpler, or fairer?
  
  Of course, this way of doing things would best be undertaken *after* it was agreed there would not be a recount, or, following a recount, the tied candidates were still tied.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:59am
- Steve Todd
  
  Mike Hosking says, “In the Wellington case, the numbers have change[d] alarmingly and rapidly[.]”
  
  So far, all that has happened, is that there has been a preliminary count of the ordinary votes, as received by the electoral officer in Christchurch as at noon on polling day, 12 October; a second count (on 14 October?), that included the ordinary votes from council ballot boxes, received as at noon on polling day; and, finally, the official count (on 17 October?), that included special votes received by noon on polling day.
  
  Over those three perfectly normal counts, Foster’s majority went from 715, to 503, to 62. That was no doubt certainly alarming for Mr Foster, but all it does is simply reflect the fact that left-leaning voters scrambled to get their voting documents in on time; nothing more than that.
  
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  November 7, 2019 1:28pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Regarding the Lester recount application, things are looking up (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117238538/ousted-wellington-mayor-justin-lesters-vote-recount-hopes-take-a-hit). It turns out most of the 193 votes pointing to Justin Lester would favour Andy Foster.
  
  Not that it matters, because, as I pointed out at General Debate last Friday morning, in my view, they cannot lawfully be included in any recount, in any event.
  
  Lester’s lawyer, Graeme Edgeler, is still pushing for a manual recount. “‘It was important a manual count took place to ensure all those votes were counted correctly by the computerised system’, he said.” As I pointed out at General Debate on Saturday morning (and gave my reasons why), this is utter nonsense. A manual recount will give no such assurance.
  
  I’m starting to feel a little better.
  
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  November 7, 2019 5:02pm
Yvette

It may be an advantage, if left to us next year, in considering what further role Winston should play in New Zealand politics, to know –

• that Winston made not one, but several mistakes – wrong answers, as well as omissions of information in material he admits he did not fully read – on something as simple as an application form for superannuation, even with supervised assistance

• and that he can have such memory lapse as to who was with him at the time.

Later on Tuesday, Peters’ lawyer called Trotman as a witness. She said she did accompany Peters to the MSD office, and on arrival, “Winston went to the reception desk alone while I waited off to the side” …
Trotman said she left the meeting early to get the car ready for the pair to leave. She recalled a “long wait” while Peters met staff inside and had photos taken with them.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117167293/winston-peters-witnesses-covering-their-butts-in-legal-battle-with-the-crown
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November 7, 2019 8:55am
- sooty
  
  Should have taken his secretary with him to fill out the forms correctly!
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:17am
- Prince
  
  I hope she was OK after that revelation.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:24am
- backster
  
  This witness seemed to give evidence showing the character of the man ‘he funniest and most certainly truthful piece of Ms Nugent’s testimony has to be this:
  She said in another phone call Winston Peters “nearly bit my head off because he thought I was a media person and he’d forgotten my name”.
  “Once I clarified who I was he was far more pleasant,” she said.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:05am
- freethinker
  
  So winston by saying trotman accompanied him inferring her presence during the interview when this was not the case – what slimy deceptive POS he is.
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:02pm
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    Yes , the rotten mongrel even got on the stand on Monday and said she was by her side , yet on Tuesday she said she was in the car
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:37pm
marcw

For the first time in nearly three years, New Zealand has had two months in a row with cooler than usual temperatures, with last month being the coolest October in seven years.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117220028/two-cooler-than-average-months-in-a-row-for-the-first-time-in-nearly-three-years

This report appeared last night (2107hrs) in Stuff on-line. Gone from the front page this morning.

Two points:
1. No comments allowed (quelle suprise)
2. No listing or reporting in their “Climate Change” ~~propaganda~~ section.

The misleading and lying continues …
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November 7, 2019 9:02am
- Notsofast
  
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  The world had the hottest october ever after the hottest september and the hottest july. Some would consider that pretty uncool.
  I think there are quite a few heads in the sand around here, too much Leighton Smith, who is still at it.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:36am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Only a fool accepts the land based and Ocean Temp measuring systems are an accurate representation.
    I’m sure others can point out to NSF the futility of using an average for the global temp too.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:04am
    - Notsofast
      
      By all means post a link that shows this.
      I am a simpleton who sees temperatures follow predictions made by scientists, it looks walks and quacks like a duck.
      CO2 concentration and temperature increase are both running at thousands of times historic rates of change, this is what should alarm people.
      
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      November 7, 2019 10:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      You are wrong on that score,
      
      https://skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements-advanced.htm
      
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      November 7, 2019 10:49am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Skepticalscience? Is that the best you cab do?
        
        http://joannenova.com.au/2016/05/john-cook-wins-award-as-friend-of-planet/
        
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        November 7, 2019 12:24pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Still not as warm as the medieval warm period, so “Ever” by modern measurement margin of error is overstating it.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:37am
  - freethinker
    
    The comment was on NZ temperatures not the world or any where else.
    
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    November 7, 2019 2:05pm
- mandk
  
  Stuff also has the drying of the Aral Sea under Climate Change, even though the article makes clear that it was due to ill-advised river diversion in the Soviet era.
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:47am
peterwn

So James Shaw’s attacker got 9 months in prison. He would have got Home Detention if he had cooperated with the preparation of a probation officer’s report. However the judge seems to have left the way clear for a re-sentencing if he comes to his senses which he probably will after a few days in Rimutaka (John Burrett of kidnapping fame called the place ‘squalid’ – he spent 5 years there).
A surprising feature of the case was that he did not receive a ‘first strike’. That is because ‘injuring with intent to injure’ (max 5 years) is not a ‘strike’ crime.
Now, it seems strange that damaging someone’s face was not a ‘strike’ crime, whereas pinching a woman’s bottom (sexual assault) is a ‘strike’ crime.
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November 7, 2019 9:02am
- mark15
  
  So it should be after 2 other ‘strikes’ and countless other non strike offenses
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m assuming that if ‘pinching a woman’s bottom’ is a strike crime, then thrusting ones’ hands down the pants of several people is also a strike crime? Unless one is the son of a high ranking Labour party member perhaps.
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:33am
  - cut n paster
    
    It’s only assault, if you use your right hand….
    
    Women make way more noise when they get pinched.
    Men will invariably just slink away after a “good” face punched.
    
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    November 7, 2019 11:44am
Maggie Pie

I really really like listening to ZB’s Mike Hosking at breakfast time.
Although my partner reckons “….he spends too much of his time crawling up the arses of visiting pop stars”

LOL!!
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November 7, 2019 9:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The interview with Adam Clayton from U2 this morning was good enough, but the interview on Tuesday with Flea from Red Hot Chilli Peppers was off the charts good!
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:20am
hullkiwi

We live in ironic times.

Amnesty International (NZ) are crying foul. It seems they are very upset that the government is allowing only 4 days for consideration submissions on the terrorism prisoner legislation being considered by parliament currently. Amongst other things they are claiming there needs to be proper consideration of the legislation to ensure “peoples’ rights” (we are talking captured terrorists here) are being protected.

Now you may all remember back in April a bill was rammed through Parliament in 7 days making once innocent people criminals and outlawing legal ownership of particular sports equipment. Mark 2 of this legislation is also before parliament at this time.

The irony comes at 2 levels, these being:
1. I didn’t hear Amnesty (or fir that matter any civil rights advocates) protesting that the ramming of the gun legislation through parliament in 7 days was denying people proper opportunity to consider, make submissions and be heard on the proposed bill; and
2. I do not recall Amnesty or any other civil liberties group advocating that was and is being done to previously law abiding citizens and their rights to engage in lawful pursuits is a breach of their human rights.

We do live in times of double standards and irony.

This story can be checked out at http://www.rnz.co.nz just search for Amnesty International.
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November 7, 2019 9:05am
lastmanstanding

I just caught up with DPFs post of Warren and Trump yesterday.

I respectfully suggest that if it had been Hilary as POTUS and Trump as the contender the up ticks and down ticks would have been transposed.

Never let the principle get in the way of biase.
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November 7, 2019 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
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  DPF post was telling it like it really is . Whats wrong with that downtickers or not!
  
  This quote has some relevance if you carefully think about it,
  
  “The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
  
  ― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    stephie…CNN..say no more about fact and fiction.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:21am
igm

If Fairfax are not bombarding their diminished readership with bullshit anthropogenic global warming, it is something pro-islam and pro-race.
I wonder what treatment this person would have received if he were Christian and white?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/117219500/sonny-bill-williams-touching-homecoming-moment
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November 7, 2019 9:22am
- stephieboy
  
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  igm, irrespective of his religious leanings or whether he is white or not SBW stands on his own feet as a remarkable sportsman who has excelled at both Rugby codes.
  
  He can be likened in many ways to that other great player, Brad Thorn!
  
  https://www.radiosport.co.nz/galleries/brad-thorn-a-remarkable-career/
  
  On your part they call it tall poppy syndrome!
  
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  November 7, 2019 9:39am
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    November 7, 2019 10:01am
  - david
    
    At least Brad T. Recognised who he was representing and was willing to sing (or at worst pretend to sing) the NZ National Anthem. SW on the other hand keeps his mouth firmly shut, a practice he should follow more often.
    If representing a country and wearing the black jersey means nothing, I surely have the right to suggest that he should check that the door does not hit his sorry arse on the way out and that he does not darken the immigration counter at AIAL again. He deserves and will receive no respect from me.
    
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    November 7, 2019 1:03pm
skyblue

got the list of 11000 scientists from https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806

As alluded by Peter Williams there is an entry as one of the 11000 as Mouse, Micky – Professor Micky Mouse Institute for the Blind – Namibia.
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November 7, 2019 9:41am
- alloytoo
  
  974 entries have “Student” under “Professional position and/or discipline”, 32 have “Green”, 1441 have “Researcher”
  
  Argumentum ad populum
  
  Reminds me of this:
  
  https://dissentfromdarwin.org/
  
  Cult anyone?
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:49am
- rangitoto
  
  If Professor Mouse has really gone over to the alarmist side, we are doomed!
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:52am
- MrTips
  
  LOL. Saw that. Why anybody would have anything to do with Paul Ehrlich, the greatest bullshit artist and MasterofFail™ in modern science is beyond me.
  
  Many of the “NZers” look like European postdocs. Massey and Otago seem to well represent along with Plant and Food.
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:35am
- Straight arrow
  
  Sky News host Chris Kenny points out that, if you are going to include any “scientist” (my quote marks as many are not even that), then surely you have to measure that as a proportion of ALL scientists in the world, which he says could be 10 million, or 100 million (depending on definition as he says).
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:28pm
Morrissey

Good riddance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tom-watson-quit-mp-deputy-labour-leader-election-corbyn-west-bromwich-east-a9188491.html
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November 7, 2019 9:42am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Talking shit again Morrie.
  If Watson is a long-time rival of Commo Corbyn that makes him a good guy.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:05am
  - Morrissey
    
    Watson’s a liar and a crony of silly old Yenta Hodge. It’s a concern that Corbyn tolerated his open disloyalty as well as his mischievous character assassination.
    
    It’s interesting that lying and character assassination are what constitute a “good guy” in your opinion.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Couldn’t work with Corbyn huh?
  Looks like there is more room in that telephone box, for Corbyn’s friends.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:30am
- mandk
  
  Do you mean good riddance because he refused to be a ctrl-left attack dog and anti-semite like most of Corbyn’s supporters?
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:51am
  - Morrissey
    
    You never fail to post something flabbergastingly foolish. You’re more than just a cretin, you’re a phosphorescent cretin.
    
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    November 7, 2019 7:13pm
    - mandk
      
      Hey Morrissey, I wear your abuse as a badge of honour.
      
      But do try to be a bit less nonsensical. Phosphorescent cretin?
      
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      November 7, 2019 10:10pm
Maggie Pie

Personally, other than controlled public displays, I would like to see fireworks banned 🙁
Over the years i have either seen first hand, or read numerous reports of serious injury. Despite changes to the law in relation to the time and type of fireworks now available, this has done little to alleviate all the problems they can cause.
One of the girls i work with who lives in Epsom, was telling us last night close neighbors of theirs [Asians, who they have never actually met], appear to own a large Supermarket. This obviously gives them access to some sort of ‘commercial’ fireworks out of China. They always seem to have large noisy crackers available all year round, and often when your’e in bed late at night, the last thing you want or expect is to be woken up with a BANG!
She was saying that when she got back home yesterday morning from her shift, she found a huge Skyrocket embedded in the back lawn. She said the stick poking out would have been nearly a meter long, and the head of the actual rocket was of a similar size and shape to a standard nine-inch dildo. Now imagine if that had actually hit somebody?
Her husband has packaged it up and intends taking it into Customs and making a formal complaint, in the hope they might investigate further.
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November 7, 2019 9:43am
- Fletch
  
  often when your’e in bed late at night, the last thing you want or expect is to be woken up with a BANG!
  
  ?
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:10am
  - PhilP
    
    Fletch, I love a good BANG late at night!
    
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    November 7, 2019 12:00pm
- Rich Prick
  
  A rocket propelled dildo … the mind boggles.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Everything’s a dildo – if you’re game 😛
    
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    November 7, 2019 11:06am
    - chaos
      
      I’m not game, it can someone take the batteries out of it
      
      https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/k/x/5/n/g/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1420×800.1kx4mn.png/1502265412183.jpg
      
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      November 7, 2019 12:45pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Cacti?
      
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      November 7, 2019 12:48pm
    - david
      
      Are you suggesting that your neighbour ‘has your measure’
      
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      November 7, 2019 1:06pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Maggie
  The shear weight of double entendres I perceive in your comment takes my breath away. Don’t ever stop.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

CALIFORNIA’S HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FIASCO SPREADS …

How California Became America’s Housing Market Nightmare … Noah Buhayar and Christopher Cannon … Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-california-housing-crisis/

California, the land of golden dreams, has become America’s worst housing nightmare.

Recent wildfires have only heightened the stakes for a state that can’t seem to build enough new homes.

The median price for a house now tops $600,000, more than twice the national level. The state has four of the country’s five most expensive residential markets—Silicon Valley, San Francisco, Orange County and San Diego. (Los Angeles is seventh.) The poverty rate, when adjusted for the cost of living, is the worst in the nation. California accounts for 12% of the U.S. population, but a quarter of its homeless population. … read more via hyperlink above …
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4 out of 5 Americans say there is a housing affordability crisis (NAHB Survey) … Mortgage Professionals of America Magazine

https://www.mpamag.com/market-update/4-out-of-5-americans-say-there-is-a-housing-affordability-crisis-177571.aspx

Trump pushing for crackdown on homeless camps in California – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12266681
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November 7, 2019 9:52am
Tony Stuart

Well, well; when Stephen Colbert just “dropped in” to New Zealand the other week to see his friend Jacinda, the long-suffering New Zealand taxpayer picked up the tab, to the tune of $100,000.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12283112&ref=twitter
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November 7, 2019 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  The article says he has an audience of 3mill per show, in terms of traditional TV in the US that may be significant, but is it?
  Does Colbert really have a target audience who are going to log on and buy your packages to NZ?
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:46am
  - MCos
    
    That’s about the same as Sean Hannity, who is top dog on cable TV.
    BTW
    John Key was paid $250 for his appearance on Letterman, but some American PR company was paid about ten grand to get him on the show.
    Anyone who remembers his stellar turn will admit it was money well spent.
    At the time Mr Key said that paying for that sort of thing was nothing new.
    
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    November 7, 2019 12:02pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Tourism NZ has been spending our money like a drunken sailor for the last 30 years. They are never held to account for their over-hyped projections of economic benefit from their spending.
  
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  November 7, 2019 10:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    You are correct there. The potential outcomes from such spending ha always been hyped, but the resultant outcomes are very rarely measured.
    
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    November 7, 2019 11:59am
- mandk
  
  The photo of the PM is a real shocker.
  She’s looking more and more equine.
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:55am
Fletch

Did you see the story on the news last night, how NZ is paying $26 million for some stupid satellite to monitor methane levels? How many houses would that have bought?
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November 7, 2019 10:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  $26 million would have bought zero houses. However, it would have bought lots of hyper-fee-charging and donating-to-Labour consultants to advise.
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:45am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Methane is measured in Parts per Billion. To get an idea if we took rice analogy, a grain is about 1mm wide, and we took a billion rice grains it would stretch 1000kms. So the contribution of Methane on that scale would be the first 1,800mm or about 2 metres. CO2 on that scale would be the first 400 metres or so. And this is a crisis?
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:50am
- cut n paster
  
  Better warn air traffic control on Baked Bean night round here!
  They’ll be needing to do a few flypasts to check their equipment is ok.
  Readying a new tax map – the Taxman cometh
  FART TAX
  https://ibb.co/ZBv98B5
  
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  November 7, 2019 11:57am
- cmm
  
  Insane. It makes no sense for NZ, but I suppose NIWA want more toys – their supercomputer is getting lonely.
  
  The data can be bought off existing satellite data providers for way less than running your own satellite.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:10pm
  - chaos
    
    I see some benefit in nz owning a satellite, it could be used to find Labour Party policy, they seem to keep losing it.
    
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    November 7, 2019 12:42pm
    - sooty
      
      Why spend all that money?
      Helen could fly Greta around on her broomstick!
      
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      November 7, 2019 3:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The data will be free to anyone.
    
    The Satellite is being put up by the Environmental Defence Fund
    
    Public data for all to see and use
    Most satellites originate either from research and space organizations as large-scale projects requiring multi-purpose platforms, or from private-sector ventures selling data to corporate and government users. MethaneSAT combines the economic advantages of each model, and makes the results available to everyone.
    
    https://www.edf.org/climate/how-methanesat-is-different
    
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    November 7, 2019 5:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  The information is already available. It’s a total waste of cash. I would much rather that the money was spent on NZ’s membership of the SQA that the govt canned.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:48pm
- cut n paster
  
  Methane Megan
  https://ibb.co/cDkK954
  
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  November 7, 2019 4:53pm
Jack5

The world reacts to Chloe Swarbrick’s repartee in Parliament: “okay Boomber.”

Well so says the NZ Herald. But the New York Times front page today has a column about the phrase, and it doesn’t mention Chloe or her quip! Doesn’t mention NZ!

The reporter, one Farhad Manjoo, says this of the expression:

” …I’m not really O.K. with “ok boomer,” the latest rallying cry in the permanent war between the Young and the Old. As Taylor Lorenz reported in The Times last week, “ok boomer” is a meme started by teenagers to shred older people who express a broad range of antiquated ideas about the world. (The grammar snoot in me — and my copy editor — would prefer the meme rendered as “O.K., boomer,” with periods and a comma, but of course that’s not how teenagers write.)

Manjoo adds:

” … the phrase — which, since Lorenz’s report, has been co-opted and repeated into cringing ubiquity by just about every other generation … ”

What the NZ Herald says:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12283074

What the New York Times says:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/opinion/ok-boomer-billionaire.html
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November 7, 2019 11:32am
- cut n paster
  
  It’s like a nerdy little kid swearing for the first time..
  The mouse who roared a popular Meme from the interweb. All the sisters must have been proud as punch too.
  Ok -Boomer? Is this an Arabic hotel sign for making Suicide Bombers welcome?
  Woah!! Edgey “Chloe”….RESIGN
  How about progressing with a way to roadside test drivers who are under the influence of Cannabis before legally introducing another impairing drug to the masses!
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:11pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The masses already have access to cannabis. That horse has bolted.
    
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    November 7, 2019 2:38pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yes at that age we all thought we were so much smarter than our elders………………………….and then we grew up and realised………………….how much we didnt know.
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:45pm
krazykiwi

Does anyone know how much the NZ Taxpayer pays to UN agencies each year?

I’ve looked for this data but it doesn’t appear to show up in budget appropriations.

Any suggestions?
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November 7, 2019 11:54am
- Straight arrow
  
  This is Vote Foreign Affairs and Trade on treasury site.
  https://treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2019-05/est19-v4-foraff.pdf
  
  Page 127 is list.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:37pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks. So “Subscriptions to International Organisations” has us shelling out $12m for “United Nations Subscription”, and a whopping $29m for “United Nations Peacekeeping Operations”. That figure is more than 50% of the whole appropriation.
    
    I’m now trying to find how much money we give this club of despots and dictators for Climate Change™ stuff.
    
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    November 7, 2019 3:00pm
    - Straight arrow
      
      I have tried in past to quantify this. Hidden over multiple ministries and other government organisations, creative accounting (eg includes possible contingency liabilities for credits from memory).
      And I thought it was supposed to make NZ money, according to a previous Labour PM.
      
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      November 7, 2019 4:07pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Further to my earlier post…
  Of course, other international bodies dues come out of other departments, such as environment, communications, etc.
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

Magic radio are reporting that a man has just been arrested and charged with ‘dangerous driving causing death,’ after some poor unfortunate girl fell from his van up Northland way somewhere.

Have you ever wondered why you never hear of such dreadful incidents like this in say places like Remuera? [I have my own theory]
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November 7, 2019 12:19pm
- chaos
  
  Isn’t it obvious enough, those in Remuera are wealthy enough to have the bodies disposed of at sea or such, poor folks have to just dump them where they can.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:38pm
- cut n paster
  
  Doors? maybe…
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:38pm
  - sooty
    
    Roof surfing!
    
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    November 7, 2019 12:45pm
    - cut n paster
      
      And I move my pawn to “Seatbelts”?
      CHECK!
      
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      November 7, 2019 1:39pm
- MCos
  
  Remuera has had it’s own particular style of unfortunate mortalities over the years, for example the Bassett Rd machine gun murders of 1963.
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:48pm
  - Michael
    
    over years?
    come on list the other machine gun shootings in Remuera?
    
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    November 7, 2019 5:06pm
    - sooty
      
      I wonder if that gun was still around to hand in?
      
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      November 7, 2019 5:30pm
Right of way is Way of Right

There was a Health Select Committee meeting the other day where a terminal prostate cancer sufferer submitted a petition to mandate GP’s discussing the option of a PSA test for all NZ men over 40, which, if it had been done for him, would have possibly caught his cancer early enough to save his life.

The Ministry of Health sent three so called ‘experts’ to the meeting where the topic of discussion was prostate cancer.

All three were female, only one was a medical professional, and she was not a urologist!

Could you imagine that level of arrogance in a select committee meeting about breast cancer or cervical cancer?

All three so called ‘experts’ then proceeded to derail the discussion from the mandatory discussion of PSA testing to the surgical risks of prostate cancer surgery.

Oh for a few ‘stale pale males’ to provide some balance.

(Disclosure – I was diagnosed with grade 3 prostate cancer 5 years ago this month!)
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November 7, 2019 12:23pm
- chaos
  
  So how are you doing, are you all good now?
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:33pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Mine was about 10 years ago. PSA trend -> biopsy -> surgery. PSA testing does throw a fair number of false positives and miss some as well. Lots of old fellas die with it rather than of it.
  
  Not a lot of 40’s men – tends to show up in older guys. Medical opinion is divided on the cost/benefit of population screening.
  
  Just saying. I’m not a medic either.
  
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  November 7, 2019 12:51pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    That’s all well and good unless you happen to be one of the men diagnosed in their 40’s, like I was!
    
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    November 7, 2019 2:13pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Pretty good, after three years of androgen deprivation therapy and 7 weeks of radiation, went in to remission at the end of 2017, got some blood test results back today, all my numbers are still good. Back at work full time (never stopped actually) and being a full and active member of society, paying a shitload of tax and generally being an all round good egg!
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:11pm
  - chaos
    
    That’s good, may it stay like that u til you are long gone from old age
    
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    November 7, 2019 3:32pm
  - Swifty
    
    Good stuff.
    
    Best wishes from me.
    
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    November 7, 2019 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Last two tests had PSA at 8.9, then 6.2. Off to a professional soon. Don’t know what I am in for. Age 67.
  
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  November 7, 2019 5:43pm
  - chaos
    
    Good luck
    
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    November 7, 2019 6:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The PSA is good. Did you know that today is Public Service Day? See the link below for this year’s recipients of the Public Service Medal:
    https://ssc.govt.nz/resources/public-service-day-honours-2019#Service-Medal
    
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    November 7, 2019 7:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My oldest brother rang me the day before his prostatectomy to inform me that he would not be furnishing me with any more nieces (his speciality).
    
    As his last contributions to our clan had been about 40 years before, I told him I was surprised he still remembered how they were produced.
    
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    November 7, 2019 9:07pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Good luck.
    Mine was up a bit years ago, so I ate a can of tuna every day, and it came down.
    Fatty oil and omega 3 naturally.
    
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    November 7, 2019 10:05pm
Straight arrow

TVNZ
“A Māori group trying to claim land in Sydney has had its case thrown out of Australia’s Federal Court.

“Ngati Rangihou Corrangie Hapū believes 112 acres of land in Parramatta was gifted to Te Ruki Kawiti by Aboriginal people in 1811, which was witnessed by missionary Samuel Marsden.

“In May, Lady Crown on behalf of the hapū filed papers against the Parramatta City Council.”

“The Federal Court of Australia has dismissed the hapu’s case and ordered it to pay the costs of the proceeding.”

Haha. That will be one big bill.
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November 7, 2019 12:40pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Justice served, and well done too!
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:11pm
- sooty
  
  What you saying they don’t get the taxpayer funding in Australia!
  I bloody hope our government is not funding it!
  
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  November 7, 2019 3:04pm
  - chaos
    
    Our government, strangely enough, didn’t support them. The Maori minister with the ink on the chin that married her abusive cousin spoke out against them.
    
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    November 7, 2019 6:35pm
Swifty

Rare footage found of urban American female mating call and associated ritual:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=VxaR_1573064049

NSFW
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November 7, 2019 12:42pm
- chaos
  
  Weird but she sounds like this
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlYlNF30bVg
  
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  November 7, 2019 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vitamin P
  
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  November 7, 2019 5:38pm
chaos

How bloody stupid

* An advertiser has been ordered to remove an ad from a dairy which declared: “Ice cream makes you happy”.

The ad displaying three types of Streets ice creams — Paddle Pop, Magnum and Splice — was located on the outside wall of the Tui Crescent Foodmarket in Whangarei.

The order for its removal came after a local resident complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that the ad was “extremely irresponsible” given obesity and mental health issues in New Zealand.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/117228176/ad-watchdog-upholds-complaint-about-irresponsible-ad-linking-ice-cream-with-happiness
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November 7, 2019 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum just called in with a couple of Krispy Kremes for lunch.
She was telling me that ‘name suppression’ is in fact entirely a New Zealand invention, dating back to early last century.

You learn something every day.
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November 7, 2019 1:06pm
- cut n paster
  
  Yup .. We’ve known for ages Maggie, but we haven’t been allowed to tell you. 🙂
  
  SUPRESSION – It’s a bit shit, if your new neighbour is a serial killer…
  It’s a failed experiment. A deterrent lost to correctness 🙁
  JUST TELL US THE TRUTH!
  
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  November 7, 2019 1:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    About 5 years ago our then neighbor, [not a serial killer, lol], was sentenced to 18 months HD and handed down a huge fine for his part in a $67 mil fraud.
    Lucky for him, he was granted ‘Permanent Name Suppression’. At least that meant i could still drop his kids to Kings Prep every morning along with my boy. Otherwise, i doubt i could have afforded to be seen associating with them.
    
    So it does work, particularly when it’s only a white collar crime.
    
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    November 7, 2019 4:24pm
    - cut n paster
      
      Dare I say it, but wouldn’t suppression be better on a user pays basis?
      Could be quite a little earner – Bronze, Silver and Gold Level suppression packages, Pedo Specials – Pay up or your details are sold to the highest bidding media org,
      It could be run from the Ministry of Truth, before it’s used to try to censor our thoughts.
      
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      November 7, 2019 6:48pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Privacy is a relatively recent concept. It was practice in NZ for government to publish salaries and position of many state employees, such as police, railways etc.
  I have seen newspaper articles about intimate matrimonial relations eg husband denied divorce because wife wanted him to wear a condom, or when not enough sex, who “other party” was in adultery cases.
  Other news included who was on holiday, how they travelled etc.
  
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  November 7, 2019 6:00pm
- greybeard
  
  With compliments:w
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117058919/name-suppression-how-the-uniquely-kiwi-hush-hush-policy-became-law-and-morphed-over-a-century
  
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  November 7, 2019 6:28pm
Straight arrow

An Auckland Uni publication states “Oil and gas exploration has been banned although with controversial stipulations” which is not true. New licences have ceased being issued. If a company has existing licence it can explore. No wonder we do not believe activist academics.
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November 7, 2019 1:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  Straigh tarrow, which uni publication with link if thats not too much?
  
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  November 7, 2019 2:56pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Since you asked very nicely (no sarcasm)
    
    The Big Q
    “The Project for Media in the Public Interest (PMPI) is a website connecting audiences to informed [one-sided] dialogue about [left-wing] science, economics, arts and politics. Academics [Activists] from across disciplines [leftists and climate change] at the University of Auckland, across America, Europe, Australia and other universities discuss [push] their research [opinions] on important [and gender] topics via videos, podcasts, interviews, symposia and opinion pieces.”
    
    Generally an academic activists promo site. Few non-climate change scientists contribute I notice.
    
    https://www.thebigq.org/2019/03/13/qa-is-new-zealand-ready-to-go-carbon-zero/
    
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    November 7, 2019 4:36pm
secondcumming

So, you pass a law enabling the police to *disarm* the country’s law-abiding citizens.

Then you pass another law, allowing for the *early release* of criminals back into society.

Well that sounds like a plan to me…..
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November 7, 2019 1:46pm
Ross Jones

I see the Nats have realised it’s better being in the legislative tent ready to piss out, than stuck outside not being able to influence the brand of tipple served.
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November 7, 2019 3:25pm
chaos

* Jeffrey Epstein’s brother Mark says “unexplained” injuries were found on his body during the autopsy and is calling on the Department of Justice to release all forensic medical examiner files – including microscopic slides and autopsy photos – so that he can independently verify how the death occurred.

In August, the New York City Medical Examiner officially listed Jeffrey Epstein’s death as a suicide by hanging.

But Mark, 65, contends there are too many suspicious circumstances and questions to rule out homicide. He is now wondering why investigators have yet to share evidence with him indicating how they ruled out the possibility of murder.*

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-unexplained-injuries-wrists-shoulder-brother
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November 7, 2019 4:05pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Duke of Pork has gone very quiet 😛
  
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  November 7, 2019 4:28pm
  - chaos
    
    Maybe he’s looking for a new pimp?
    
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    November 7, 2019 4:59pm
  - Michael
    
    Paedophiles, they all need culling.
    
    The kids are damaged for life and then they argue like shit for their future life, which the kids can’t have.
    bastards.
    
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    November 7, 2019 5:19pm
- chaos
  
  * Virginia Roberts is hitting out at Prince Andrew in a new interview that is set to air this weekend on 60 Minutes Australia.
  
  She is also returning to the New York City mansion where Jeffrey Epstein first took her almost 20 years ago, when she was still underage and held captive by the pedophile.
  
  ‘Being a kid, I didn’t realize what world I was being brought into,’ says Virginia.
  
  ‘This mansion represents jail to me.’
  
  Now, she wants to see the men who she says sexually abused and assaulted her to go to prison too – allegedly including Prince Andrew.
  
  ‘Prince Andrew should go to jail. I mean, is he ever going to? Probably not,’ says Virginia. *
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7653245/Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-says-Prince-Andrew-jail-interview.html
  
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  November 7, 2019 4:32pm
  - sooty
    
    Those bloody Clintons have a lot to answer for!
    
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    November 7, 2019 5:23pm
  - cut n paster
    
    Randy Andy gone under groundy,
    The Duchess of York, always struck me as being quite dim. Perhaps, with a full royal libido, Andy bored her brains out… anyhoo!
    When, not if, they release the Epstein videos back catalogue, it will break the Internet. Cindy will firewall us with the Great Wall of Huawei.
    
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    November 7, 2019 5:53pm
    - chaos
      
      No he actually hasn’t, I was thinking the same and googled. He’s been at a conference in Bangkok. But agree the videos will come out. But I also have heard rumours that something that will shock the world is coming soon.
      
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      November 7, 2019 6:56pm
chaos

Are we going from measles to mumps?

* The Medical Officer of Health has confirmed 12 cases of mumps, three being Waikato University students and nearly all probably exposed at the same location on Hood Street, Hamilton on Saturday 12 October.

“These are significant numbers,” says Dr Richard Hoskins. “11 of the cases got sick within one week of one-another, almost all were at the same location during the time they would have been exposed.

“If you get symptoms that might be measles or mumps – please don’t spread it, no one wants these serious diseases in the run up to Christmas.*

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1911/S00147/12-confirmed-cases-of-mumps-in-hamilton-most-from-one-night.htm
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November 7, 2019 5:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What number Hood St? There are whorehouses there.
  
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  November 7, 2019 5:33pm
Straight arrow

In light of zero-carbon act passed today, where do you rate various groups (political parties, generations, XR, etc) according to Mental Defectives Act 1911? Also, where do Labour / Greens think normal people are on scale?

MENTAL DEFECTIVES ACT 1911.
” Mentally defective person ” means a person who, owing to his mental condition, requires oversight, care, or control for his own good or in the public interest, and who according to the nature of his mental defect and to the degree of oversight, care, or control deemed to be necessary is included in one of the following classes :-
Class I-” Persons of unsound mind “-that is, persons who, owing to disorder of the mind, are incapable of managing themselves or their affairs
Class II-” Persons mentally infirm”-that is, persons who, through mental infirmity arising from age or the decay of their faculties, are incapable of managing themselves or their affairs:
Class III-” Idiots “-that is, persons so deficient in mind from birth or from an early age that they are unable to guard themselves against common physical dangers, and therefore require the oversight, care, or control required to be exercised in the case of young children:
Class IV-” Imbeciles”–that is, persons who though capable of guarding themselves against common physical dangers are incapable, or if of school-age will presumably when older be incapable, of earning their own living by reason of mental deficiency existing from birth or from an early age :
Class V-‘ Feeble-minded “-that is, persons who may be capable of earning a living under favourable circumstances, but are incapable from mental deficiency existing from birth or from an early age of competing on equal terms with their normal fellows, or of managing themselves and their affairs with ordinary prudence.

Not in Act, but “Sane” is option for you to use as well.
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November 7, 2019 6:37pm
Fletch

DOC and “environmental groups” are planning to eradicate any plant that wasn’t here before the white man. To that end, they plan to get rid of all the beautiful Lupin plants in the South Island.

https://www.elocal.co.nz/Magazines/elocal-Digital-Edition/224?page=30-31

FFS, what is wrong with these people? ?
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November 7, 2019 6:59pm
Jack5

Tonga rising above sea level!

A volcanic eruption has sunk a small island and replaced it with a bigger one.

Hallelujah for all “climate panic” threatened Pacific Islanders. Perhaps they’ll have room for us, too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/07/volanic-eruption-creates-new-island-in-tongan-archipelago
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November 7, 2019 7:13pm
DigNap15

No comments on National caving in to the Greens.
On Facebook its going gangbusters
Time to remove the moderation DF.
And Make America Greater Again
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November 7, 2019 7:43pm
- Souvlaki
  
  National…a party of Coelenterates!
  I will no longer support them…they too have become insufferably woke! Supporting the knee jerk gun legislation..now this abject capitulation!
  They do NOT have our wellbeing at heart, just polishing their shiny arses
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    Then enjoy your Green Lab govt next term
    
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  Remember Bridges said there are 7 items he wants changed if he gets into government , the rye grass reducing emissions by 30% science based is huge , perhaps we should just wait and see how he sells this , because its not a matter of caving to the gweens , because Nats had already got many things dumped , if he sells this as business and farmer friendly he may well win on this , if not , the voters head to ACT and NC , so maybe it wont matter , I am worried working in agri but if they do the rye grass thing , im on board
  
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