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KevO'Brien

Climate crisis or out of depth busybodies?
Monckton massages the Lancet.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/05/lancing-the-lancets-global-warming-pustule/

This could have been addressed to our overly enthusiastic Govt too.
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December 6, 2020 8:04am
- Justitia
  
  Thank you for sharing this excellent letter Kev. The fashionable panic about “man made global warming”, now known as “climate change” is driven by the comparison, enshrined in the Paris Agreement, between “pre-industrial” temperature levels and modern levels which are said to be on the increase as a result of human activities and particularly carbon emissions arising therefrom. But nowhere is the term “pre-industrial” defined in terms of a specific time-frame in the Paris Agreement because there is no consensus on this fundamental baseline measurement. Proxy models have been created by estimating perceived human impacts but they rather beg the question. That is they assume the conclusion is correct in order to assert the premises. So the comparison between “then” and “now” which lies at the heart of the UNFCCC’s dire warnings is meaningless and a nonsense. Thanks for the “emergency” Jacinda, how much further damage will you inflict on this benighted country in the name of false “science”?
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:27am
  - Justitia
    
    To the phantom-downtickers: how about putting up some counter-arguments for a change? Oh, and here’s a bonus for you, busting the myth of “the 97% consensus”: https://youtu.be/knMXtKQebzY
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    December 6, 2020 10:01am
    - Mike
      
      The ravings of a lunatic do not constitute an argument, so no countercounter-argument is needed.
      
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      December 6, 2020 1:27pm
      - sooty
        
        So are you saying that cindy is a stark raving lunatic? If so, I will have to agree with you!
        
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        December 6, 2020 5:50pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Not often understood is that the rate of change of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 2000 times any previous rate, as shown by ice core analysis.
    So if increased concentration increases average global temperatures, it is because mankind burns fossil fuel.
    
    There are 3 possibilities:
    1. Increasing carbon dioxide has no effect
    2. Increasing carbon dioxide cools the planet.
    3. Increasing carbon dioxide warms the planet.
    
    I have no idea which is true as I am not a climate scientist, but I am reassured that Leighton Smith and Rodney Hide know the answer.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:15am
    - Justitia
      
      CO2 levels in the atmosphere have varied widely during Earth’s geological history, reaching as high as perhaps ten times current levels. Yet such periods have been followed by glaciations indicating “runaway global warming” propelled by CO2 is a myth. Analysis of ice cores can also be interpreted to show that CO2 levels increase in response to warming rather than causing it. The sea is a vast storehouse of CO2 which is released by warming.
      
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      December 6, 2020 5:11pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      As non-sequiturs go, this one will take some beating: “So if increased concentration increases average global temperatures, it is because mankind burns fossil fuel.”
      
      Your attempted critique falls at the very first hurdle – increased CO2 does not increase average global temperatures. Regardless of how you think the increased CO2 may have got there.
      
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      December 6, 2020 7:33pm
    - alphabeatrium
      
      I don’t so much doubt the scientific evidence about the effect of greenhouse gases. I simply reject the idea that more government is the solution to the problem. I further reject that it’s something I should be concerned about. If humans are to be on earth for a very long time, then we’re going to have to learn to deal with climate fluctuations. The good news is that we already have come out of the last ice age fairly intact.
      
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      December 6, 2020 10:22pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Ignorance :
    “The science proves man made climate change“. When the science actually disproves man made climate change.
    
    Conclusion: Jacinda doesn’t understand climate science. But then, what person whose highest intellectual crowning achievement was wrapping fish and chips actually would?
    
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    December 6, 2020 12:26pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Global warming…or just the weather.
  Go to the end of this for the temps, yesterday and today
  https://www.skyweather.com.au/
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:54am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Brilliant letter by a brilliant man. I particularly like the last sentence of this gem:
  
  “You have said China must do more, but China – though it has its own space programme and continues to occupy Tibet by military force – is exempt from Paris on the ground that it is a “developing country”. It is not required to forswear its sins of emission.”
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    Most countries throughout the world carry a debt to China:
    1. Howcome they are still a developing country?
    2. Howcome the rest of the world are prepared to sell coal and iron ore to China in order that they may further pollute the world?
    IMO, the whole thing (man-made global warming and sea level rise) is Bull Shit from a bloody big bull.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  Good, evidence-based letter from Monckton. He’s toned down the high brow prose from earlier writing making his arguments more accessible.
  
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  December 6, 2020 1:38pm
JibberJabber

No Tomorrow,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northland-age/news/no-tomorrows/OCXZV4VWWXCZLURYTQD3WJSAFU/
Surprised this made it past the Censor…
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December 6, 2020 8:06am
- David George
  
  The Northland Age, thanks to it’s editor Peter Jackson is a rarity, a delight after the predictable, lefty group think of our legacy media.
  That letter was “feature letter” and Peter’s fearless editorials themselves often have a go at the smothering orthodoxy inflicted on us elsewhere. Climate change or socialist and Maori bullshit are fair game.
  I’m surprised he hasn’t been cancelled or disappeared, the wet wokelets at associated NZ Herald must be “literally shaking”.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:10am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well Northland voted for Labour big time. So what is the problem? Let her spend.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:44am
Swifty

A real goody from the National Film Unit – Tongariro Power, 1970:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kbg9_z0fGo

I see it was another good one from Conan Fraser, a long time director for the NFU. I met him once at his house, he was the father of Peter, a good chum of mine at Wellington College in the early 80s.

(It’s even got something for Mikenmild – a reference to St Barbara who I think Mike mentioned earlier this week, from memory.)
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December 6, 2020 8:11am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Patron saint of tunnelers, and of the Russian strategic rocket forces.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:29am
- Ruawai
  
  Amazing these workers didn’t crash into each other as no one is wearing hi-viz!! Also many probably now need hearing aids as no ear muffs.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:26am
- tom hunter
  
  Great find Swifty. Wonderful stuff.
  
  I laughed out loud at around the 5min mark with the guys working on paperwork at some bench – while behind them on the wall were all the classic girly calendars. Similarly with the piece on the “Single Man’s rooms”, with the walls covered with the same sort of classic stuff, while the young sat there cleaning his rifle. Couldn’t see that happening in a NZ construction camp now, and if it was filmed it would be edited out for modern “sensitive viewers”, who are not unlike the old pearl clutchers who may have reacted the same way to those scenes, except now they’re accomodated by the filmmakers.
  
  As young teenager I saw the final stages of the Rangipo project when Mum, Dad and I drove up the head of the main tunnel on the Eastern side of the Plateau. Looked spectacular with huge dump trucks moving around.
  
  Back in Turangi you could walk into a display room with the a model of the whole scheme laid out, probably the one in the film. Every time I drive by those pre-fabs now I wonder what happened to it? Probably just thrown out, and certainly there are no prideful displays of such anymore. Along the same lines, several years ago I took my youngest boy to see the Maraetai powerhouses since I had vivid memories of seeing Maraetai II under construction. All security fenced now: you couldn’t get with 50 yards of the place. Our post 9/11 world.
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:57am
  - Swifty
    
    Cheers Tom, yes, a good find – glad you enjoyed it.
    
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    December 6, 2020 8:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ve squirelled a copy away to show the kids. I wasn’t in NZ at that time but have seen the amazing Tongariro.
  
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  December 6, 2020 12:16pm
- JJ56
  
  As Bob Norman was want to say “we built a ditch around the volcanic plateau.”
  
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  December 6, 2020 1:55pm
Swifty

Remind you of anyone we know?

“It’s a matter of whether you want charisma in a politician or not. Whether it should be just what the constitution says it is. Any citizen can do it. You only need average integrity. You pick up the garbage, you defend the frontiers of the country, you make sure the laws are faithfully executed, and you don’t try to be a star of any other kind. That should be nice, but people look for love in all the wrong places. They want a politician they can adore, who loves and cares about ‘me’.

And that can be very dangerous, because that’s the origin of demagoguery which is the origin of totalitarianism. It means someday someone is going to promise you a lot in exchange for something rather sinister.”

Christopher Hitchens – on C-span 2008
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December 6, 2020 8:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Hypocrite……Hipkins
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:59am
lazza

Another! draw.

Oz rugby will need more than a hard-arsed Kiwi coach to save it.
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December 6, 2020 8:17am
- Colville
  
  A decent ball carrier/hard man would help them.
  
  Rapt for the Argies tho… 2nd is a great result.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:57am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Always get Ms Castle back to fix the few minor problems that occurred under her watch.
  Money that was in the kitty wouldn’t pay an under 11 coach.
  Hopefully tourism comes back, I see a major sponsor to fill the gap Mr & Mr Joyce left.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:01am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Someone who doesn’t choke every time they get a chance to kick the winning goal would be a start. Reese Hodge clearly hasn’t got the ticker for the big stage.
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:41am
mikenmildagain

Dave Brubeck – born 100 years ado today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9Eh8wNMkw&ab_channel=ToriChitic
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December 6, 2020 8:19am
- Swifty
  
  Excellent.
  
  And apparently a hell of a nice guy.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:40am
MCos

The trinations rugby competition was won by the ABs. The only team that lost two games. They also won two games, which the other two teams couldn’t do.
Reece Hodge missed penalties three times that could have won Australia the games they drew including one of the two Bledisloe games out here.
A stack of red cards.
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December 6, 2020 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Both the All Black wins were by significant margins though, with bonus points for four tries. That gave us a far superior points differential.
  
  By contrast, Argentina had to win last night by 93 points, or Australia by 101 points. That was never going to happen. Third place in a three-team competition is not a flash start to Dave Rennie’s Wallaby coaching career.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:35am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    I think the Wallabies have shown enough to suggest they will become a strong team over the next couple of years. I hope the public back Rennie despite the performances, it is a long term project and he is an excellent coach. I want to see a strong AU team so we can have a proper contest between the All Blacks and Wallabies once again.
    
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    December 6, 2020 8:59am
    - Mike
      
      He is a good coach.
      What I’d like to see, though, is Argentina resurrect its traditional scrimmaging strength.
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:00pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Third place in a three team competition deserves a participation certificate which Cindy is happy to issue any time.
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:46am
Swifty

If of interest, some reading on historical Chinese and Maori market gardening in NZ:

https://rune.une.edu.au/web/bitstream/1959.11/16804/8/open/SOURCE04.pdf

Tough buggers.
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December 6, 2020 8:23am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Do they share the same habits with human waste, the Chinese are big on drop shots straight into the animal pen and fish farms.
  It is a little off putting, scoffing down your fresh Prawn Chow mien, then you go off to the toilet and feed the next dish.
  Many of their farming practices would make me not want to buy Chinese product.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do they share the same habits with human waste,
    
    No
    
    Māori did not use human or animal waste to fertilise their gardens.
    On sandy soils especially, there would be a loss in fertility over a continued period of crop removal.
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/gardens/page-1
    
    https://www.doc.govt.nz/documents/science-and-technical/sap235.pdf
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:19am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, wow, they actually had communal allotment gardens, just like in the Old Country.
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:26am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Nicest fruit I ever tasted was on Pitcairn Is and the only fertiliser used was SHIT
    
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    December 6, 2020 3:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why waste a valuable resource?
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095311913604074
      
      The Chinese have been able to crop some of their land continuously for thousands of years without exhausting its fertility.
      
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      December 6, 2020 4:50pm
Swifty

Richard Dawkins teaching evolution to religious students:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNhtbmXzIaM
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December 6, 2020 8:25am
- Scott
  
  Ah the high priest of evolution. Teaching us we evolved from the slime and to the slime we will return. There is no free will, no purpose, nothing but we have evolved over millions of years of death and destruction. What a hopeful message.
  
  Or you could understand that the world looks designed because it is designed. You could understand that the designer is knowable. He knows us and wants to be known by us.
  
  Remember this Sunday go to church. Then you will get to know the one who created you.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:10am
  - SB2
    
    “The one who created you..”
    
    In seven earth days or…?
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:27am
    - Scott
      
      Get to church yourself stephieboy. You’re supposed to be a Christian if I remember rightly?
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:35pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    What a hopeful message. Evolution being a scientific theory, the issue is not whether it is a hopeful, but whether it is true. Buttressed by facts, multiple independent disciplines, predictive and explanatory power, evolution is an extremely well supported scientific theory.
    
    He… wants to be known by us. Then your god should stop hiding so successfully that the majority of the world can’t find him.
    
    Then you will get to know the one who created you. Didn’t happen to me for many years, so I gave up – it’s difficult to distinguish the invisible from the non-existent. On the other hand, I did know well the two who (pro)created me, for which I am very grateful.
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:27am
    - Swifty
      
      Very well said.
      
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      December 6, 2020 10:34am
    - MFD
      
      “Then you will get to know the one who created you.”
      
      …and created the cancer that killed two of my family members…and created all those viruses and bacteria that killed and continue to kill children the world over.
      
      Is this creator malicious, incompetent or non -existant?
      
      Religion seems to be very good at fostering cognitive dissonance.
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Seek and you will find…
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:19pm
    - Scott
      
      Kiwi Dave – don’t give up. Seek and ye shall find.
      
      Evolution is not well supported by the facts. In the beginning nothing exploded and became everything. Slime evolved into cells into fish into mammals and humans. Through copying errors in the DNA. It’s nonsense man.
      
      Errors don’t create things. Our bodies are designed. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.
      
      Kiwis wake up!
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:34pm
      - Swifty
        
        “Evolution is not well supported by the facts.”
        
        Hey Scott, please tell us the facts supporting creation.
        
        Snigger….
        
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        December 6, 2020 7:31pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Evolution explains the development of life in its many forms rather than its origin. Two very accessible books on evolution (both in Auckland libraries several years ago) are Jerry Coyne’s Why Evolution is True, which presents some of the evidence for evolution, and Neil Shubin’s Your Inner Fish, which traces human physiology back to our piscine ancestors.
        
        For evidence of poor design in humans, search online the recurrent laryngeal nerve, or find out why humans have blind spots in their eyes or why our bodies can’t manufacture Vitamin C.
        
        As for seeking gods, been there, done that; the more I learn about nature, the more implausible the supernatural seems; the contradictory claims about gods, or even a single specific god suggest divinities, should they exist, are not reliably knowable.
        
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        December 6, 2020 8:06pm
      - alphabeatrium
        
        I like your Christian message (I’m Catholic). I’ll leave your creationism to you, though, and suggest you engage God’s gift of the intellect a little more.
        
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        December 6, 2020 10:27pm
  - dcrane
    
    The world looks designed because of natural selection.
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:28am
  - Swifty
    
    “There is no free will, no purpose, nothing but we have evolved over millions of years of death and destruction. What a hopeful message.”
    
    Gee Scott, that sounds like an admission that your religion is just wishful thinking…..and which of course it absolutely is.
    
    “Then you will get to know the one who created you.”
    
    Er, no actually. Better to watch the video right through and come back to me if you still have any questions.
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s an extraordinary number of design errors…
    https://earth.stanford.edu/news/what-caused-earths-biggest-mass-extinction#gs.mr3piz
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:04am
    - Swifty
      
      It’s one of the religious’ great deceits in my view – something goes right and they give credit to their god, something goes wrong and it’s all “oh well god moves in mysterious ways…”
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:16am
    - Nickc2
      
      and no Test Engineers, Quality Assurance or Human Resource Management people and still the project came in on time and under budget.
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:46am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    This “knowable” bloke you mention – does anyone know who created him?
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:51am
    - Scott
      
      God is uncreated. He is the beginning and the end. God is eternal.
      Thanks for asking ?
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:31pm
      - MFD
        
        Which god are you referring to? I understand that there were quite a few. Did the creator make all of the gods? The Jewish god said “no other gods before me” so that god clearly knew that there were other gods. Did the creator also make santa claus and the tooth fairy? I reckon the tooth fairy is a very strong argument against evolution as there is no fossil evidence to suggest how the tooth fairy might have evolved…and yet I still have the monetary proof that the tooth fairy exists.
        
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        December 6, 2020 7:22pm
      - Swifty
        
        “God is uncreated. He is the beginning and the end. God is eternal.”
        
        Please list the facts that support your assertion.
        
        Chortle….
        
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        December 6, 2020 7:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      A very good question.
      
      If in fact the Christian god, or any god for that matter, exists – who or what created him/her? And how and when?
      
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      December 6, 2020 12:48pm
      - alphabeatrium
        
        This is a nonsense question, and you know it. Christians define God as being uncreated. And you “retort” with the question of who created an uncreated being. The answer is no-one, and that was in the definition.
        
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        December 6, 2020 10:30pm
  - giltee
    
    Think about how many innocent lives and armies, indeed how few conflicts there may have been if there was no religion.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:01pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Sadly giltee, in absence of religion I think other excuses would have been found for those wars. Many, if not all, of them were really about one party trying to take what the other had and the other trying to resist.
      
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      December 7, 2020 10:04am
Greg Ettridge

All is good in the world down under, virtually no Wuhu flu.
The Socialist state of Pricktoria prepares to welcome back one and all fellow comrades that have been roaming the world, now won’t this be the supreme test.
The chances of avoiding a third lock down are almost not measurable.
The WA Premier pulled the travel trigger on just one case in NSW this week.
Spent 4 days in Sydney and a day in Melbourne, it is like two different worlds.
NSW with covid cases looks and feels like there has never been a case. Life is looking normal, 300 at the pokies in local RSL with as many eating, not a mask to be seen. Gladys is the stand out Premier, the rest are just weak fear driven idiots.
4 days without a mask was living normally again.
Melbourne looks and feels decimated, barely no one in the offices, hotels are cheap as no tourists, restaurants and pubs are empty.
They still have the sheep walking around with masks, but there is blow back, there has been a major outbreak of nostril flashing. More nostril flashers than you could poke a stick at.
Relaxation of masks in Vic today, the people decided this not the Premier, he had to follow.
With the state Premiers firmly in control, this could bubble on like the annual flu, till eternity.
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December 6, 2020 8:33am
- Harriet
  
  Gladys literally had her arse on the line – with regards to her private life coming out in the corruption enquiry – I’d imagine she has then used the pandemic to keep onside with the public in NSW. As an aside, NSW police commissioner has been one who gets on with the job it appears to me, and he is good on tv, is always on top of everything.
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:26pm
- giltee
  
  Western Australia has no community spread of Covid, hasn’t had so since the initial outbreak but as of 5th Dec the Labour socialist state has made it mandatory to use the Covid app in most places bar the supermarket. Most places I’ve been to have the 2nd option of writing in your name and phone no.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:06pm
fernglas

Has anyone thought through what will happen when this country eventually gets the Covid vaccine? In the US, the oppoaing priorities seem to be between “essential workers” who are often poorly educated, “of colour” and lower on the socio-economic ladder, to prevent the spread of the virus, or the elderly, to save lives. The fight against Covid is finally finding an ideological basis, and it won’t be pretty. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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December 6, 2020 8:36am
- SGA
  
  I’m not sure how much one can extrapolate from the US situation to here though. Their death toll due to covid-related causes continues to rise (currently 2000 /day on average) so there is much more pressure there. I’d imagine that we can afford to prioritise those at most risk and essential workers (e.g., health sector) without too much drama.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:51am
  - fernglas
    
    If we get the chance. The point that everyone here seems to miss is that New Zealand is one of the most vulnerable countries in the world. High obesity, diabetes and heart disease levels, urban poverty and crowded housing, and we have yet to be touched by this virus. If it gets away here, as it almost inevitably will, and our numpty Health Minister is holding the door open and saying “after you” to the countries with already high death rates, then we will be having to make the identical choices. Will Maori and Pasifika have priority over granny and grandad, literally because they are brown and poor, and granny and grandad are likely to be white? Or because they are essential workers and the GP’s are not? Or because we want to prioritise limiting spread ahead of fatalities? Where is the plan? Or will we just cross yet another bridge when we come to it?
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:39am
    - SGA
      
      It looks like you are creating a hypothetical scenario just to have a whine about Maori and Pasifika. Enjoy.
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:29am
    - Harriet
      
      Sure the financial cost to NZ and the US will be relative regards a vaccine but pharmaceutical companies only have to produce 5 million vaccines to vaccinate NZ.
      
      The pacific islands, NZ, Australia and Singapore add up to a total of less than 50 million. NZ, WA… can handle the vaccinations themselves……. everyone will chip in for the pacific I’d imagine.
      
      Business, home owners and tax payers will mostly demand it, the reserve bank will recommend it, I’d imagine.
      
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      December 6, 2020 3:40pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    That current American figure of 2000 Covid deaths per day is equivalent to 2 9/11 attacks every 3 days.
    What happened in America?
    I remember, a President who said maybe 1 death, maybe not.
    
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    December 6, 2020 7:29pm
- G152
  
  Seem to recollect an American President saying that a Covid inoculation would be available by years end..
  The fake news seems to have missed it.
  Wonder why
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:53am
  - SB2
    
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    All we know is that none of the vaccines now available were a bi product of the much-vaunted Operation warp speed.
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:26am
    - dcrane
      
      Don’t avoid the point. The vaccine makers changed their protocols for announcing vaccine progress to keep Trump from benefiting. And now we know he was telling the truth when he said a vaccine was around the corner. This was one of the steps involved in stealing the election, another of which was tech-based censorship of Biden scandal news in October.
      
      The last 4 years have shown that the “professional” class is entirely willing to compromise its norms and standards for political gain.
      
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      December 6, 2020 10:37am
  - fernglas
    
    I have read quite a bit about the vaccine being available, G152. Perhaps you should try the MSM.
    
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    December 6, 2020 9:41am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhgVZLrxiu0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX1QB7xVnAo
    These speeches are remarkably similar, but the MSM treatment of them isn’t.
    Also neither Johnson or Nixon, tried to take credit for Kennedy’s work or vision.
    Oh how times have changed.
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:16am
    - curry4me
      
      RW Capitalist: Thanks for these. I really like the sound of FKs voice; and Jackies too.
      
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      December 6, 2020 9:57pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Can’t have the truth can we? I’m guessing the Democrats will be first in line to get the vaccine injection tho.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:55am
- emmess
  
  People who are not elderly or who have co-morbidities don’t need it
  I am gen x and reasonably healthy so I don’t plan on taking it for at least 12 months.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:59am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    With ivermectin reducing deaths by about 80% (many many studies now) the population IFR is bought down to 0.1-0.2%. Same as your normal risk of dying in s 3week period. So covid now presents similar danger to a bad flu if you use ivermectin. vacination is just a cherry on top
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:22am
    - Nickc2
      
      How many mortalities did we have in NZ Quarantine? I don’t recall any so if we extrapolate that, maybe the virus is not as deadly as presumed?
      
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      December 6, 2020 11:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext
    and who said it didn’t work?
    How many lives could have been saved, if the politicians had stayed out of the debate?
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:00am
- curry4me
  
  fernglas: Good point. The Russians have started issuing the Sputnik V vaccine. It includes an insurance policy.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:46am
Dr John

Before you line up for your covid vaccination, take a look at this:
https://youtu.be/lkGB1-YFn1Q
there are a lot of competent people out there saying this sort of stuff.
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December 6, 2020 8:38am
- SB2
  
  One tweet,
  
  Griselda Wrzesinski
  
  Wake up people!!!!! This is the NWO TAKING PLACE
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:31am
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, just like wake up people, there is NO ELECTION FRAUD? Move on. Most honest election in US history.
    
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    December 6, 2020 10:21am
Tony Stuart

Weather permitting, the Blackcaps will complete a convincing victory over a disappointing West Indies side today.

You only have to look at the stats to understand why this is probably the best New Zealand test side in history. Between them, Kane Williamson (22) and Ross Taylor (19) have scored more than 40 test centuries, including three 200-plus scores each. Add in Tom Latham’s 11 hundreds, plus a sprinkling for Nicholls, Blundell, Watling and Santner, and the batting is as good as it has ever been.

And the bowling is even better. Tim Southee (3rd), Trent Boult (4th) and Neil Wagner (7th) are all in the top seven Kiwi test wicket-takers of all time. To have a bowling attack built around these three is massive, and long may it continue. And who knows how good Kyle Jamieson might become. After his debut against India last summer, he looks completely at home in test cricket. The late inswinging yorker with which Jamieson trapped Chase LBW yesterday reminded me of a similarly brutal Waqar Younis yorker that cleaned out Rod Latham at Hamilton many years ago.

Yes, the Windies batting was poor yesterday. But the New Zealand bowling, especially in the first innings, was devastating. As a fan of the game for more than 60 years, this is great to watch.
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December 6, 2020 8:49am
- Vallager
  
  Not sure I agree – once the ball stopped swinging, the bowling attack looked toothless.
  
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  December 6, 2020 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  TS, do the team do ‘Knees Down Mother Brown’ before every start of a day’s play?
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:24am
- rockape
  
  Dont forget you are plying the 8th ranked team. Anything but a decisive win would be embarrassing.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You can only play what’s in front of you. Given most of the squad have played little cricket, especially red ball cricket, since the season ended prematurely in March, a bit of rustiness would be expected. And let’s not forget our last test series was against India at home in February/March this year, where we won the series 2-nil, bowling India out four times, for a highest innings score of 242. A two-nil series win against the West Indies will move New Zealand ahead of England in the ICC Test Championship standings into third place, and with a genuine chance of making the final at Lord’s.
    
    As for the bowling, for years Hadlee was the benchmark, but he didn’t have an equally penetrative new ball partner. Richard Collinge retired early in Hadlee’s career, and after that it was mainly Chatfield at the other end, and late in Hadlee’s career, Danny Morrison. Chats took 123 wickets in 43 tests, Morrison 160 in 48 tests and Lance Cairns took 130 wickets from 43.
    
    Compare the current crop; as of this afternoon Southee has 289 wickets from 74 tests, Boult 269 from 68, and Wagner’s stats are improving all the time; 212 wickets from 49 tests. It’s the ability to keep pressure on batsmen from both ends that is paying dividends.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:35pm
- giltee
  
  The day they pc’ised cricket by going down on one knee is the last time I’ll watch NZ cricket. Same goes for the AB’s and Crusaders. Sport should remain as such and stay out of grievances and politics.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:13pm
Greg Ettridge

Dow Jones over 30,000, was around 19,000 when Trump became President.
Biden has the weakest wok-est team he is building and talking masks and gloom for first 100 days.
Some traders were talking 15,000, I don’t see this as being true, but if you shut down the economy it will come back to bit everyone economically big time.
As I point out to my children, their super has been great in the last few years on the coat tales of the DOW.
I might drop out of the market for a few months to see where the market settles, let the nudie creepy dog player find his way in the big world.
It could go the other way, but shares are a gamble, but a calculated gamble, look at iron ore and Fortesque this week.
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December 6, 2020 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  Greg, Joe has hinted on a CNN love interview if he has to stand down for ‘medical reasons’ he will. Harris just gave a sickly smile.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:26am
  - JackRabbit
    
    It was always going to be “Waking ~~Ned Devine~~ Joe Biden”. Creating the apparency of a real ‘compos mentis’ person that would stand down after winning.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:56am
  - artemisia
    
    There were all those clips of Mr Biden running down a runway, looking fairly spry. A lot of clips, though TBH they did look remarkably similar.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:37pm
Ruahine

It is all doom and gloom again according to someone at the UN. Hope McDonalds know about this.

https://www.rt.com/news/508748-un-2021-crises-famine/
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December 6, 2020 9:01am
Maggie Pie

Early Mass this morning and a reminder of the true meaning of Christmas.
The birth of Brian.

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December 6, 2020 9:05am
kowtow

Kind of ironic .

The day after a Media knob calls for Auckland to be more like Copenhagen , that Cash Drop thingy proved it ‘s more like Caracas.
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December 6, 2020 9:05am
Sigmund Freud

I note by the cover of the North Shore Times that the editors are attempting to incite race war.

Lovely!
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December 6, 2020 9:09am
lazza

Dave Brubeck may not have been “such a nice guy”. He never gave full credit to the genius of Paul Desmond .. or to the others, Eugene and Joe as well … for that matter.
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December 6, 2020 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  Lazza, there is b&w footage of Brubeck on YouTube playing ‘Take Five’..amazing.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:29am
  - MFD
    
    Even more amazing is Brubeck et al on YouTube playing a cover of the Stranglers’ “Golden Brown”.
    
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    December 6, 2020 12:01pm
  - Mike
    
    linked above
    
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    December 6, 2020 1:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks lazza, yeah I’ve heard of that but not looked into it in any detail.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:37am
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The states using Dominion software included those won by Trump Ohio , Louisana . Missouri etc

Fact check: Dominion software was not used only in states where Trump is filing lawsuits

“Thousands of social media users have been sharing posts which claim that software from Dominion Voting Systems (a company that supplies election technology) is used in the same six states where President Trump is filing lawsuits in connection with the presidential election, suggesting that Dominion Voting is responsible for election fraud. These posts, however, are misleading. Dominion Voting systems were used in at least 24 states….”

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-dominion-software-trump-law-idUSKBN27S2Z9

Trump legal team filing lawsutis in aforementioned states won by Trump.?

If not , why not?
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December 6, 2020 9:24am
- emmess
  
  The reason is because the lawsuits need to be ‘outcome-determinative’, i.e. can change the outcome of the election.
  In safe Republican or Democratic states this is much harder to prove. Perhaps, if the swing states are overturned, then there will be enquiries into all of the states. For now though, that is the answer to your question.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:12am
  - SB2
    
    That does not explain why the Doninion voting software could be compromised in those states Trump may of marginallly won compared to said the swing states .
    
    Deep state set up the Dominion software?
    
    Actual factual proof?
    
    LOL
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:33am
    - emmess
      
      Strawman, you did not ask that.
      Anyway I agree, we don’t know what went on with Dominion yet but widespread mail-in ballot fraud is undeniable at this point.
      
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      December 6, 2020 6:17pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Also, why the hell should he? His job is to make sure nobody cheated him out of states he would otherwise have won. Pretty obvious really.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:58am
Maggie Pie

THE SUNDAY LoL !! 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1335285675596394499
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December 6, 2020 9:37am
- Bobba Fret
  
  What about that Wayne bloke that drove 6+ hours from Palmerston North and spent $120 on gas to get there and is silly enough to admit it and be interviewed! And he doesn’t have enough money to get back. Is this the dumbest man in NZ? He should try to get on the Green Party list. Some people will always be poor.
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You often see Palmerstonians in the news for shit like that.
    
    And why is everybody from there called… ‘Wayne’?
    
    Just saying.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:34pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m Palmerston North born and bred, and my name’s not Wayne; just sayin’…
      
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      December 6, 2020 4:37pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You still living there Tone?
        
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        December 6, 2020 5:00pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Nope, an hour further west in Whanganui.
        
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        December 6, 2020 5:36pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        See what I mean 😀
        
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        December 6, 2020 5:46pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      And apparently a bloke called John Murphy spent $200 travelling from Levin! He’s now started a petition wanting compensation……perhaps he should ask for a bit of common sense could be more useful.
      
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      December 6, 2020 8:10pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Wow….. my reply to you Maggie has been in moderation for nearly three hours!
  
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  December 6, 2020 2:38pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Maybe the moderators have other things to do? I think they are volunteers.
    
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    December 7, 2020 10:21am
JibberJabber

A harsh lesson for Labour and Green voters in Aotea Square yesterday that there is No Free Money.
Maybe heed the words of the inimitable Iron Lady, to paraphrase,

The people who are prepared to work the hardest should get the greatest rewards and keep them after tax. That we should back the workers and not the shirkers: that it is not only permissible but praiseworthy to want to benefit your own family by your own efforts.

Of course, this will fall on the deaf ears of those that have been taught to be dependent on the State.
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December 6, 2020 9:38am
- RJ
  
  Or a good lesson for the company involved if you are going to have a voucher drop don’t claim actual money will fall from the sky. Bunch of idiots who wasted money they didn’t have going to it, but false advertising as well.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:02am
- peterwn
  
  And someone drove all the way up from Palmy to grab some of the free money. And they had insufficient money for petrol for the return trip. What is this about one born every minute.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:03am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Saw the original cast at the London Paladium
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCxHphgpgFU
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:13am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If someone felt sorry for him and gifted him say $20,000, he would again be broke in about two weeks. This is why there is a gap between rich and poor. Some people are just unable to help themselves and expect other people to help them.
    
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    December 6, 2020 11:44am
  - V
    
    In NZ it has to be there are 5 born every minute by now – all on a benefit.
    
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    December 7, 2020 12:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Great minds Jibbs!
  You ‘n me came within a minute of each other 😛
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:48am
  - JibberJabber
    
    wink,wink,nudge,nudge, Say no More! ?
    
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    December 6, 2020 12:02pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No good deed goes unpunished. This bad idea should have realised that when kids’ lolly scrambles have had to be abandoned their adults weren’t going to play nicely either
  
  Even if it had all been real money they would have still been beating each other up.
  
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  December 6, 2020 12:40pm
- MFD
  
  “there is No Free Money”
  
  Of course there is; superannuation. There is no requirement to have worked a day in your life in order to get it.
  
  As for Thatchers words; I am prepared to work really really hard…but I don’t. Should I get a really, really large amount of money?..or should it go to the cleaner at my place of employment who works really hard cleaning toilets and mopping floors but gets a tiny fraction of money that senior managers who cruise in at 8 and are out the door by 4.31 pm?
  
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  December 6, 2020 1:00pm
- V
  
  Now they want compo, in true degenerate style.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300176194/participants-demand-compensation-after-fake-money-handed-out-at-100k-giveaway
  
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  December 6, 2020 5:39pm
- V
  
  I should add, stuff doesn’t seem to allow comments on this article. I wonder why?
  
  I think the petition comments tell you why:
  https://www.change.org/p/the-safety-warehouse-new-zealand-turn-our-fake-money-to-real-cash
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:44pm
emmess

The ‘woman with the blonde braids’ has been identified and there is new video of her up to no good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlTZCsJ-9nE
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December 6, 2020 9:52am
- SGA
  
  Excellent, emmess. I imagine that they’ll be hauling her before the courts very soon. Regardless of the outcome of the election, she (and the dozens of others reported by witnesses in affidavits) have committed serious criminal acts that need to be brought to justice. I imagine the courts will be very very busy with them.
  
  At least I hope so, else it would mean that there wasn’t any evidence to start with (and that can’t be true, can it)
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:47am
- Fletch
  
  No doubt the whole thing is fishy. Them cheatin’ Dems.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:26pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

Trump Rally later today expected to be bigger than Rolling Stones concert.

Just saying.
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December 6, 2020 9:55am
lastmanstanding

History will judge the woke generation harshly. It will say they were indulged by their parents and grandparents. it will say that unlike their forebears in 1914/1918 and 1939/1945 whose concerns were if the the next bullet or shell had their name on it the woke generations biggest concern was looking for offensive everywhere and anywhere intended or not intended.

It will write them off as a waste of space with no discernable contribution to the human race.

And it will be correct.
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December 6, 2020 10:01am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Who raised the woke generation?
  Boomers…. well they would of if they hadn’t divorced their mums.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:32am
- Wired-one
  
  I’m a millennial, I’ve worked fulltime since I was 18 and part time since 15. I own my own home with no help from mum or dad and I dont have a social media account or enjoy avocado on toast. Please dont think all of us are these woke, Ardern loving, pronoun stating morons.
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:31am
- wilderbeast
  
  Agree history will judge them harshly. It’ll judge the rest of us harshly too if we don’t have the guts to head it off
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:40pm
- MCos
  
  Who exactly is this ‘woke generation’ you speak of?
  Everybody born after about 1940 who has no recollection of WWII? Which is pretty much everybody.
  If you are talking about people looking for offensive then there’s a lot of people right here on this forum who are constantly offended by anyone who won’t “see things their way”. Whether it be climate change, cycle lanes, electric cars, Maori wards, masks, hats in parliament, gun laws.
  It’s one thing to disagree about such things; quite another to be utterly intransigent.
  As for predicting how future generations will view these times.
  Nobody should be so smug as to think that history will treat them well.
  BTW
  My parents lived through WWII. However the Depression effected them throughout their lives.
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:47pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    You must have your head in the sand if you can’t see woke!
    
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    December 6, 2020 5:13pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Scenes from Rocky 20, set in Paris: https://twitter.com/i/status/1334966473840848898 3rd video
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December 6, 2020 10:11am
Maggie Pie

Just taking Devonshire Tea out by the pool and listening to ZB News on this beautiful God-Given day.
My partner reckoned if Mosques started to spontaneously combust at the same rate as Churches, there would be a full scale Royal Commission of enquiry.
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December 6, 2020 10:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  True dat…
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:24am
- Paulus
  
  Cindy is in Christchurch today I understand fraternising with the people who have received the abbreviated copy of the mosque Royal Commission and they are still complaining about New Zealand and who is to blame.
  Perhaps more money and Cindy’s hugs will help for Christmas.
  
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  December 6, 2020 1:51pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Who will be the first recipient of the Mosque Shooting Report to break the confidentiality agreement, and leak some or all of it to the media?
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends on Jaspinda. NZ or UN???
      You know she will drop NZ for that
      
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      December 6, 2020 5:15pm
lazza

What is it that produces a mindless woke generation?

Here are the principal candidates jointly contributing to a crowd/mob mentality that places appearances-charisma ahead of leadership and ethics (for eg) of our leaders.

Uncritical teacher moderators with testing -averse standards and “woke” based tuition and dogma.

Rejection of the scientific-method with evidential standards of proof in favor of popular (mass media and social messaging) virtue (and conspiracy theory) signals .

“Sheeple” entitlement perceptions of the world where (in Western Civilizations at least) the three necessities of life are typically supplied. If not, an all encompassing Nanny State will provide.

Substance -mind altering drug- abuse … the scourge of “P” and the now respectability of and widespread acceptance of party drugs

Rejection of Christian Judeo values, ethics and disrespect for the contrary views of others

Political thought and practice that foster woke viewpoints … and “they win elections”!

Peace in our/their time for all- without fears of military or public service messing up perfect lives.

Middle of the road ,plain vanilla public policy and politics in preference to radical left/right ideologies.

Ignorance of and apathy for “civics”

Any others?
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December 6, 2020 10:25am
- BananaLlama
  
  What is it that produces a mindless woke generation?
  
  Social media.
  
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  December 6, 2020 2:24pm
- Robert
  
  Yep, all that and being overpaid at a young age. Being paid adult wages while still a child.
  See it daily.
  Too much money, too little work and very little commitment to anything.
  
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  December 6, 2020 2:51pm
  - MCos
    
    When I was fifteen guy were leaving school to work on the Timaru waterfront or at the freezing works for the equivalent of several times what someone could possibly earn today at sixteen in a labouring job.
    I worked as a wharfie in the school holidays. It was so easy it was boring. A bit of rain and everything stopped except the money.
    No unemployment.
    I got a job with the MOW when I left school. Tertiary education chucked in with the salary package. Cheap accommodation on Oriental Parade.
    
    All we had to worry about was getting nuked by Moscow or invaded by the Viet Cong or someone.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:59pm
- Harriet
  
  Getting one’s scientific knowledge of global warming from a Swedish high school truant. And then wondering why your power bill doesn’t equate.
  
  Believing that feminism is an achievement in face of the fact that all western jails and army battalions are full of young fatherless males.
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:16pm
  - MFD
    
    “the fact that all western jails and army battalions are full of young fatherless males”
    
    Where did you get your scientific knowledge from? The bible? Has there been a massive outbreak of virgin births?
    
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    December 6, 2020 8:06pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Outstanding post. I’m not sure if it’s an additional point but I have a theory that some of the psychological factors at play in the rise of various Marxist uprisings etc are at play here. I think there’s a constant proportion in the population that just doesn’t feel fundamentally happy and wants substantive change to redistribute power, influence, jobs, money etc away from the existing power base.
  
  Right now I don’t think there’s any real evidence that society is more unequal than before – actually much of the evidence suggest otherwise – but with the ready access to information it’s much easier to make it look that way. Hence the various radical “isms” at play right now. And the more recent movement to pull apart western customs and reinterpret history as a simple case of western imperialism. Though they’re generally not so good at putting up a coherent alternative social framework it’s clear they’d like to see the existing one abandoned.
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:35pm
- gump
  
  Funny how the generation that criticises ‘woke’ children takes no responsibility for raising them.
  
  Reap what you sow.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:21pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But, you know “the youth of today”…
    
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    December 6, 2020 5:10pm
- MFD
  
  “What is it that produces a mindless woke generation?”
  
  You are begging the question. Since you seem to be a fan of the scientific approach how about you define your terms (eg, what precisely is the “woke generation”, what birthdate range does it span etc.) and the provide evidence that the members of this group are mindless ( and, once again, a definition of the term will be required). Once that has been established we can address the “what” part of your question.
  
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  December 6, 2020 7:33pm
  - Mike
    
    As if some kind of rational debate would ever happen on Kiwiblog…
    
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    December 6, 2020 8:43pm
    - MFD
      
      So cynical, Mike. Surely there’s a remote possibility(?)
      
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      December 6, 2020 9:41pm
Fletch

Yet another $11 million paid out to a Maori tribe in a deed of settlement. It’s never going to end…
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December 6, 2020 10:36am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYqINz8oSQY

No Central Bank Bailout for Chinese Businesses.

China painting a rosy picture of its economy and financial systems is beginning to result in an unmitigated catastrophe for the CCP. While its propaganda can relieve the pain in the short run, an economic system built on a foundation of lies, deceit and cover up cannot be stopped from unwinding and ultimately collapsing.
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December 6, 2020 10:37am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG3Z30s4vX8

PA Legislature Asks Congress To Reject State’s Electors, Citing Multiple Election Law Violations.

The PA legislature has asked Congress to reject the states Electors. They’ve cited
Concerns about mail in ballots, and other irregularities. [This can’t be true. I didn’t see it on CNN, $tuffed, or the Cindy News / sarc.]
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December 6, 2020 10:38am
- SGA
  
  [This can’t be true. I didn’t see it on CNN, $tuffed, or the Cindy News / sarc.]
  
  Thank goodness you’ve got access to Youtube. 🙂
  
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  December 6, 2020 6:11pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  I dis actually look at the video. The legislature has not asked Congress to reject the states electors. Instead 76 legislators have signed a letter asking they be rejected. There are 203 House of Reps members of 80 senators, so 27% have actually signed the letter. Which in any event has no legal effect.
  
  Still I am surprised so many signed.. It signifies a fundamental breakdown of political comity when over a quarter of legislators do not believe there was a honest election. And I imagine that percentage is replicated across the US.
  
  It does not bode well if so many on each side think the other side are totally corrupt. But then of course this is a country that has already fought one civil war. Maybe the rifts in that society are much more deep seated than we can imagine, with origins stretching back across centuries. While I can’t see civil war 2 breaking out, the long term moral authority of the US has been seriously eroded.
  
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  December 6, 2020 6:41pm
Jack5

Britain is issuing five BNO passports a minute to Hong Kong Chinese, the South China Morning Post reports.

British National (Overseas) status passport holders and their immediate families can apply for entry visas from January 2021, for either two periods of 30 months or a single period of five years, Britain’s Home Secretary, Priti Patel, has said.

After five years, holders of BNO passports can apply to settle in the UK, and for citizenship after a further 12 months.

The UK Passport Office issued more than 200,000 BNO passports to Hong Kong residents in the first 10 months of the year, reports the South China Morning Post.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3112738/uk-reportedly-granting-record-five-passports-minute-hong-kong
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December 6, 2020 11:07am
Captain Mainwaring

Taylor drops another sitter.
He really is a liability in the slips.
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December 6, 2020 11:35am
oldfella

Brendan O’Neill at Spiked stands up like a man (whoops!?) and weighs into the transgender debate.

“So that’s it, is it? Ellen Page is no more? She’s been disappeared? She’s been shoved down the memory hole, left to stalk that netherworld of people whose names must never be uttered out loud, like Bruce Jenner, Frank Maloney, Voldemort? Ellen Page, the actress most famous for starring in irritant quirkhouse movie Juno, has now declared that she is Elliot Page and that she’s a he. And, boom, just like that, Ellen’s gone. She’s being erased from film history. People are getting into trouble even for saying the word ‘Ellen’. ‘Who?’, woke identitarians ask, as if they’ve all gone mad.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/02/we-need-to-talk-about-ellen-page/
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December 6, 2020 11:48am
Maggie Pie

Trumpy has just tweeted…..

“Leaving for Georgia now!”

MAGA2021 😀
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December 6, 2020 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Tell us again ‘CJ’ how Trumpy never won?
  LOL!!
  
  https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1335368372226301952
  
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  December 6, 2020 1:24pm
  - Mike
    
    He is a loser alright…
    
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    December 6, 2020 1:33pm
  - MCos
    
    Trump lost the election, but by stringing out the doubts he’s sure laughing all the way to the bank.
    
    “ Trump won’t concede because it’s too lucrative to keep the long con going.”
    Max Boot
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-fundraising/2020/12/03/3aa1091a-35b6-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html
    
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    December 6, 2020 2:26pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Yep, that’s pretty amazing, Maggie, but, unfortunately, it means nothing in the face of this!! https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
    
    Unless those numbers can be overturned, um, somewhat quickly, then it continues to be, all over for Trumpy.
    
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    December 6, 2020 2:54pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      C’mon Steve…..”You gotta have Faith, Faith, Faith”
      
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      December 6, 2020 3:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Hhhnn, sorry Maggie, I just don’t feel it!
        
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        December 6, 2020 3:46pm
Inandout

Those Biden rallies were stupendously big.
https://www.wionews.com/photos/joe-biden-holds-drive-in-rally-a-week-before-us-election-2020-338552#staged-leader-338546
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December 6, 2020 1:53pm
- Joe Kerr
  
  Yes Biden claims that he won’t have a big inauguration due to covid, but based on his pre election rallies how hard could it be to keep somewhere between 10 to 200 people socially distanced?
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

McCloskeys are alive because of the Second Amendment. They are both being charged, yet nobody from the mob is charged,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Nu9JCu7iQ
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December 6, 2020 2:06pm
- SB2
  
  What a charming couple who have had a history of laying complaints about seemingly minor infractions of their property rights
  
  Often brandishing weapons it appears.
  
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  December 6, 2020 2:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Research stupid boy
    
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    December 6, 2020 5:18pm
Master Mariner

An interesting read from an industry journal regarding Hydrogen onboard ships.
Regarding article the Vessel mentioned has been built and waiting results.
https://thenavalarch.com/hydrogen-as-an-alternative-fuel-for-ships-to-reduce-emissions/
Hope some find it interesting.
Cheers
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December 6, 2020 2:22pm
Maggie Pie

‘THINK’ before you Tweet.

(You’re welcome)
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December 6, 2020 2:54pm
Maggie Pie

And just saw Judge Janine’s opening on Fox.
WOW – that girl sure don’t hold back any. LOL!!

Accused AG Bill Barr…” of acting like a pin-pricked Prophylactic”.

Can hardly wait to use that one myself next time IC5000 comments here 😀
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December 6, 2020 3:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Barr was once the mortal enemy of the left, now he is hailed as the hero. You can’t win with socialists.
  
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  December 6, 2020 3:54pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No one is hailing him as a hero.
    
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    December 6, 2020 4:37pm
Fletch

A new report argues that election deadlines are not set in stone.

The authoritative research paper breaks down the history of Electoral College deadlines and makes clear that this election’s December 8 and December 14 deadlines for the selection of Electors, the assembly of the Electoral College, and the tallying of its votes, respectively, are not only elements of of a 72-year old federal statute with zero Constitutional basis, but are also actively preventing the states from fulfilling their constitutional — and ethical — obligation to hold free and fair elections. Experts believe that the primary basis for these dates was to provide enough time to affect the presidential transition of power, a concern which is fully obsolete in the age of internet and air travel.

The white paper also shows that the December 8 “safe harbor” deadline for appointing presidential Electors does not apply to states where flagrant violations of state election laws affected the outcome of the popular vote. In fact, the only Constitutionally-set date in the election process is the assumption of office by the President on January 20.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/election-integrity-watchdog-amistad-project-december-8-deadline-for-selection-of-electors-does-not-apply-to-disputed-states-301186795.html

So, for those who are marking off the days until the electors meet and all is decided – it’s kind of arbitrary.
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December 6, 2020 3:55pm
- RJ
  
  The only date that is set in stone is jan 20th. It could even get to the point where the House of Representatives elect trump as president, and the senate elects Harris as Vice President. ?
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fletch will never run out of last straws to clutch.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:36pm
- RJ
  
  Imagine fletch, if trump had of got caught doing 1/4 of what the democrats have been caught doing these commies would be calling for his head. But instead they bury their heads in the stand and pretend there is nothing there.
  
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  December 6, 2020 6:38pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Just because a constitution does not cover everything that does not mean any legislation to fill gaps has no validity. Every article of the constitution has numerous laws elaborating the intent of the article.
  So yes, the constitution only mentions 20 January, when the the new president assumes office. Self evidently, other law is necessary to fill in the gaps between the popular election and the inauguration, such as dates to appoint electors, dates for electors to meet and dates for them to vote.
  Should this get to the SCOTUS, which is unlikely, they wont want till 20 January to decide. They know they have to decide on electoral matters before Christmas, and realistically before 14 December, the date when the electoral college meets to vote.
  
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  December 6, 2020 6:53pm
lazza

Judge Janine is certifiable.

Just look at those deranged eyes.

If I was in the box and she was on the bench … I’d be tempted to opt for hanging.
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December 6, 2020 3:57pm
- RJ
  
  Sadly in the world we live in today those who can’t debate what is said decide to go the level you went, sad.
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I hear it can actually be autoerotic?
  
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  December 6, 2020 4:28pm
- Inandout
  
  lazza, Pelosi or Harris have swivel eyes and Joe has, well something there.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:06pm
IC5000

Judge Janine looks hot for a 69 yo. No wonder Maggies needs a role model in her generation.
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December 6, 2020 4:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Honestly IC, you talk so much crap that you come across as a loner, who would find themselves extremely uncomfortable in female company.
  You exhibit what I’ve seen referred to as a ‘Norman Bates’ Complex.
  How is your mum by the way?
  
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  December 6, 2020 5:20pm
  - IC5000
    
    Well at least I don’t make fun of the mentally ill. I guess that’s what passes for entertainment in your life. Some people have no sense of shame degrading other peoples suffering.
    
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    December 6, 2020 5:53pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That the best ya got?
      You’ve never forgiven me eh, for exposing ya’ as part of Sydney’s heavy leather scene 😛
      
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      December 6, 2020 7:17pm
      - IC5000
        
        Why would I be ashamed about something like that even if it is a figment of your imagination? Clearly you have some issues about homosexuals that you think everyone else has as well.
        
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        December 6, 2020 7:37pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        On a positive note IC, the next time you’re feeling a little down, just remember you’re only two people away from a threesome.
        
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        December 6, 2020 7:52pm
      - IC5000
        
        Get that one from you partner as well. He’s got better material than you?
        
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        December 6, 2020 8:14pm
Fletch

Chinese whistleblower shows some of the scans of ballots he says were printed in China.

https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/china-whistleblower-with-royal-ancestry-steps-forward-reveals-video-photos-of-alleged-chinese-counterfeit-ballot-printing-operations-of-us-ballots-for-ms-fl-and-nc/
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December 6, 2020 4:34pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I was just going to ignore your link, at first. but then I noticed that the whistleblower has ‘royal ancestry’, so I reconsidered. Nope, still not reading that bullshit.
  
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  December 6, 2020 5:02pm
- MCos
  
  You should get a job with The Safety Warehouse convincing people that the Dems brought in suitcases of fake money.
  
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  December 6, 2020 5:11pm
  - RJ
    
    You should get your eyes tested instead of denying the actually video footage in front of you, na you commie supporters just close your eyes to all evidence, which at the moment with the Nevada case is over 8000 pages long
    
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    December 6, 2020 6:02pm
    - SGA
      
      You tell them, RJ. With all these videos, 5000 (I think you said) witness affidavits, 8000 of pages of evidence in Nevada alone, it won’t belong before dozens and dozens of people are learning about 52 U.S. Code § 20511 – Criminal penalties. That will expose this massive, systematic, fraud. And this can and should happen regardless of the outcome of the election.
      
      With so much conclusive evidence, it’s going to very odd if it doesn’t happen, you’d think?
      
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      December 6, 2020 8:45pm
      - SB2
        
        SGA, suggest you come out of orbit re-enter the earth’s atmosphere at once .
        
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        December 6, 2020 8:59pm
      - SGA
        
        Oh dear.
        
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        December 7, 2020 9:14am
- SB2
  
  Royal ancestry? Like Qin Shi Huang (221-210 B.C.)
  
  LOL
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:56pm
RW Capitalist

Grant Robertson’s actual job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQdZyi6fozY
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December 6, 2020 5:59pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Think of the SJWs going overboard if someone had that job today
  
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  December 6, 2020 7:18pm
Jack5

Extraordinary …

In the biggest city of New Zealand, a country that lives by its agricultural exports and is a free trader, hundreds of Indians protest about the removal of agriculture protections in India.

The Herald reports:

“We want New Zealand to pressure the Indian government to repeal these laws which will force farmers there to go into further debt,” said Harpreet Singh, one of the protest organisers.

There seems to be more than one Harpreet Singh in New Zealand. I wonder whether it’s the Harpreet Singh who in October co-founded in Auckland the Migrants United Council, with the reported aim of empowering migrant workers with awareness campaigns, consultation and workshops.

MSN reported that this Harpreet Singh came to NZ to work as Raagi Jatha, a role similar to a temple priest or preacher but involving singing, playing instruments and reciting religious hymns, at Sri Guru Singh Sabha Gurdwara, a Sikh temple in Papatoetoe in late 2017.

For half a year’s work, Harpreet Singh was paid only $2000 in cash and Jaswinder Singh $1000.

The Employment Relations Authority s ordered the temple to pay Harpreet Singh over $32,000 for lost wages and holiday pay, and compensation for humiliation and loss of dignity.

The Auckland demonstration in support of protection for Indian farmers:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crowd-gathers-at-aucklands-aotea-square-to-protest-against-indias-new-agriculture-laws/J7WYBTKXF3ZRWHMF7JRJHG5QRU/
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December 6, 2020 6:00pm
RJ

Well said,

“Bullies chased our witnesses to the vote count”

“Non transparent by force”

https://twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1335225504899739649
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December 6, 2020 6:14pm
oob

Check out the state of Trump’s star witness:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334490067675430914
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December 6, 2020 8:28pm
- Couchpotatoe
  
  it a slam dunk with Star witnesses like that.
  
  She is credible bigly.
  
  Come back Don all his forgiven.
  
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  December 6, 2020 10:05pm
- cha
  
  She’s quite the piece of work.
  
  https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26813/giuliani_s_michigan_witness_mellissa_carone_harassed_sent_sex_videos_to_boyfriend_s_ex
  
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  December 6, 2020 11:40pm
Alan Wilkinson

An excellent article:
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/12/05/research_shows_diversity_training_is_typically_ineffective_652014.html
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December 6, 2020 9:17pm
igm

Imagine the problems this would solve in NZ.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/12/06/mp-calls-out-forced-abortions-on-uyghur-women-in-china/
People would need to work for a living, not lie in bed all day breeding (for payment), no housing shortages; in fact we would once again be a prosperous and safe country to reside in.
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December 7, 2020 6:50am
Suze Wainwright

For some in aotearoa, the dream team would be Jacinda: PM; Chloe/Marama as co joint deputy PM. To be honest, I don’t think they’d get on very well together…

Btw, has anyone heard from Jacinda lately?
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