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Happychappy

Let’s face it our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is a compulsive liar and is prepared to blame anyone for her own misgivings, so where is Journalism in New Zealand that should be holding her to account.
Now for the second time in six months she is calling on others to “nark” on friends, families and acquaintances so she can take the accolades of stopping Covid -19.
Here is some of the drivel headlines in this morning’s media.
” Ardern is a great communicator but clearly not everyone is listening. ”
” A white shade of stale- Covid- 19 youth message criticized as too generic.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/124400849/jacinda-ardern-is-a-great-communicator-but-clearly-not-everyones-listening
Now younger people were those that gave our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern a large majority and a second term in Goverment and by the sounds of things are not happy with Jacinda Ardern’s continual attacks on them and the blame game that comes with it.
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March 2, 2021 8:00am
- pdm
  
  HC when the editors at stuff will not let you, I or anyone else politely say that Jacinda and her government are incompetent there is absolutely no chance their journalists will be allowed to.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Are you forgetting “Stuffed” has aligned itself with the pursuit of reporting the Maori side of issues? Hence their appalling piece on behalf of the KFC worker.
    
    Thus, the KFC worker is believed automatically, and the claim she needs an apology from Jacinda for not being told…etc., is completely valid in the eyes of Stuffed.
    
    In reality, Stuffed lost credibility when they started their crusade and this example only adds further to their lack of credibility as an objective news source.
    
    However, I believe it is reprehensible that Jacinda and Bloomfield have stooped to naming/identifying cases in the way they have. It is bad enough we are at Lvl3, but the root of the issue is, it is Jax’s policy and Bloomfield et al who have let the virus it the community, not the KFC worker or the 21 year old who went to the gym. Responsibility for this mess is with Ardern, Robertson, Chippie, and Bloomfield who have chosen to play politics with the public, not these stupid South Auckland kids.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:04am
  - all true
    
    What are you expecting from fish n chips wrapper
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:50am
    - oldfella
      
      Greasy rhetoric?
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I love this.
  
  ““The thing is we can’t really all go in on a 21-year old. We don’t really know what the wrap-around is around him, the communication that’s been delivered to him. He might just not know.””
  
  80 years ago 21 year olds from New Zealand were flying spitfires over England. Now they need support services to follow rules.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:31am
  - Frank the tank
    
    That is what happens when you continually dumb down the education and society over a 30 year period.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:53am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Your two downtickers (so far) are the dummies.
      Useless degrees anyone?
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:06am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Pointless feeding the trolls, complaining about them or giving them any attention whatsoever. Best to just ignore – dummies be dummies.
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:51am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Betcha he wasnt a White MotherF….. If he was the Police would have arrested him taken him to Court and prosecuted him.
    
    And thats why Cindy frustrated. She would have been able to look tough.
    Now she looks weak as dish water.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:06am
    - The Boss
      
      Cindy is frustraded because her wedding plans are in jeopardy
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:16am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You spelled jeprady wrong
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:52am
    - Apropos of the Wet Snow
      
      We live in an undeclared apartheid state. Look around you, notice the trends, notice the expectations and standards that are applied mostly to only one group, and then tell me why I’m wrong.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:36am
      - ecco
        
        Hilarious in the nz media stuff and nzh sites today. Trying to say now that the flouting of the law by these south Auckland families is all the fault of the messaging by the government departments. Are these people who didn’t isolate untouchable? Imagine if it were some white NZers on the North shore that had transgressed.
        
        The maori party woman leader seems to be calling for two different treatments of COVID messaging based on race. Of course it’s not these people’s fault, they didn’t know how serious it was because of the poor messaging. Of course not.
        
        Also Ardern totally ducking for cover saying it’s the police’s job to prosecute, not hers. Imagine if National were governing. Would then be all their problem and then anything implemented would have been construed as bullying.
        
        Nz will never get out of this mess till they start taking some harsher penalties for breaching isolation rules. Just like has been done in the likes of Taiwan. Otherwise this thing is going to never be contained with the liberal stance being taken by the NZ government to controlling it. Clearly the ‘honesty box’ approach is not going to work.
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:15am
      - Paulus
        
        And much to surprise this undeclared apartheid is gaining enormous exponential momentum.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:03am
      - PeeJay
        
        Not just NZ.
        
        Read an interesting story this morning about the young poet at Bidens inauguration – Amanda Gorman. Now I cannot comment on the poetry – not my strong point – but there has been a kerfuffle over the translation of her works. Apparently there was an ‘uproar’ because the dutch translator they hired (quite a successful writer apparently – Booker prize winner no less) was white – specifically that the translator was not “young, female and unapologetically black” – shit you not, the actual complaint.
        
        Now please correct me if I am wrong, but would this not be ageist, sexist and racist in a perfect trifecta of what the actual fuck? Can you imagine someone being fired from a role because they are not old, male and white? We would rightly complain and there would be no excuses for such a decision.
        
        What the fuck is wrong with the world?
        
        I grew up thinking racism and sexism were wrong – no exceptions, completely unacceptable and wrong. The worst part is the left – as lets face it, it usually is the ‘progressive left’ – cannot see the hypocrisy and inherent contradiction in their views where they scream out about a form of discrimination and solve it by …… well …… erm …. promoting discrimination. I say again – what the actual fuck is going on with that?
        
        As i said – clearly not just a NZ phenomena!!
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:13pm
    - Nickc2
      
      [Deleted – not here. Mod.]
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:12am
  - Exclamation Mark
    
    No, what they need is a wrap around, wrapped around them. Like a nice warm blanket made out of Jacinda Adern’s warm, beneficent aroha.
    
    ““The thing is we can’t really all go in on a 21-year old. We don’t really know what the wrap-around is around him, the communication that’s been delivered to him. He might just not know.””
    
    Jacinda Adern – The Great Communicator everyone! If there is one thing Adern is good at, it is absolutely mangling the English language.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:09am
    - David Garrett
      
      Exclamation: No, give the woman her due…she is living proof that her degree in “communications” wasn’t a waste of time.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:09am
      - PeeJay
        
        National could do a lot worse and headhunt her PR team. As much as i dislike the crap they come out with, it is very good and very effective.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Peejay:Jacinderella and her PRs own the media: State TV, State radio, and the rest on retainers. It’s hard to tell how good they would be in open competition.
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:25pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Cinders: a great communicator of self, hypocrisy and nihilism–useless and overpaid in govt.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:48am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    80 years ago my old Dad was facing Rommel in North Africa as a 21 year old. No namby pamby there. No counselling. Just a hot desert with Germans firing guns at you.
    
    He came home in late 1945 and never talked bout it. That was his generation stoic.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Many did not talk about it. I had one Uncle who did many tours (about 6) Today the kids in the Military see a gun, and need a safe place
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:43am
      - Jack5
        
        A bit tough, Steve.
        
        Some things are worse today: IED’s, suicide bombers.
        
        The brave generation of our parents at least didn’t have people like Hager, or the British legal vultures, hounding them for years afterwards,
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jack, the days of Willie Apiata are long gone. We now have a bunch of mummies boys – maybe except those in the SAS of course
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:10pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    1917 – Western Front. A great Uncle lost his life. Buried now in Belgium in a military cemetary.
    No wrap around support for his generation.
    His cousins, my great grandfather togther with his brother travelled to NZ at the age of 17. again no wrap around support.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:31am
  - SB2
    
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    Benedict Yu , totally false equivalence in an entirely different age and with the circumstances of a world war.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:01am
    - David Garrett
      
      SB: Bollocks to that…I don’t know how old you are, but I am willing to wager you wouldn’t have volunteered for war service, and if you had been conscripted, you would have claimed you had religious reasons for refusing to serve.
      
      (Given the bloodthirsty nature of their religion, the idea of a Muslim conchie is something of an oxymoron.)
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How would you make such a wager?
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:05pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Fuck off Milky…I am even more sure of my ground with you…You have “conchie” in every sentence.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You got Mike a beauty there DG
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:11pm
      - SB2
        
        DG, what makes you so sure you would pass the big hurdle of a physical examination and psychological assessment?
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:19pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Benedict: Yes indeed…and 21 year olds – sometimes younger – were Lancaster bomber captains responsible for themselves and six other crew on eight to ten hour flights to Germany and back.
    
    Bomber Command lost more men in one raid than were lost in the entire Battle of Britain. And those boys kept flying, Night after Night.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:07am
    - Batman
      
      Yep, and in the decades since we have discovered that the self-preservation and danger assessment parts of our brains are not fully capable until about 25 or so.
      
      Young men are perfect for fighting wars because they effectively act as if they’re indestructible. The very same factor which will have spurred the behaviour of the latest cluster members; the “what could possibly go wrong?” thinking.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:37am
      - David Garrett
        
        Batman: I don’t know why you would be downticked for that comment…you are spot on, although of course the idea that the brain did not fully mature until age 25 is a comparatively recent discovery.
        
        I started in the oilfield in the North Sea at age 18. I was present on rig when two men died, and half a dozen others were seriously injured. Of course that was never going to happen to me.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:02pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        The volume of downticks for the masterful Batman, might have more to with the fact that he is more special than the rest of us.
        After all, he is allowed be prosecutor and defence, moderator and commentator, both at the same time.
        As moderator, however, he is able to hide behind the abbreviated “Mod”. How convenient.
        Add to that, he has an agenda, which as moderator he is expected to be above.
        The downticks merely precede his reputation.
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:53pm
      - Batman
        
        Oh dear, Kloyd, I’m not hiding behind anything.
        
        You seem to want to play the ethics card in response to relatively harmless online banter, which shows you basically don’t have a reply, just more whining.
        
        As I’ve said before, there are a bunch of us who comment and moderate. I’m just the easy punching bag because I happen to disagree on some issues around US politics and the cyclical derangement syndrome which has moved from John Key haters to Jacinda Ardern haters, which doesn’t bother me in the least.
        
        Have a great arvo!
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:16pm
      - Batman
        
        DG yep you are correct that it’s fairly recent. I omitted to include that.
        
        Evidently there are a few sensitive petals around at the moment.
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:11pm
      - RichardX
        
        Kloyd0306,
        You were wrong yesterday and you are wrong again today. A mod who isn’t Batman responded to one of your baseless accusations yesterday. Maybe you should have a look.
        
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        March 2, 2021 7:05pm
- Paulus
  
  $105,000,000 makes good news.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:34am
- surfing
  
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  You are in the minority to believe Ardern is a compulsive liar.
  
  You could however criticise Ardern for actual failings — such as failing to secure population level quantities of vaccine.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:41am
  - rouppe
    
    Ardern regarding the KFC worker: “clearly they should have been isolating, the messaging is quite clear”
    
    KFC worker: I have a text right here saying “casual contacts to isolate and test – their families don’t need to”
    
    So that’s a flat out lie from the Prime minister.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:56am
    - surfing
      
      Now you are omitting information.
      
      There are two sides to the story…. Ardern takes her advice from the ministry of health… the ministry of health says the family were contacted verbally, by writing, and by text.
      
      If the ministry of health has provided incorrect information to Ardern, she can hardly be called a liar.
      
      If someone told you something which was a lie, and you repeated that to a 3rd party, does that make you the liar?
      
      You need to get a grip on reality.
      
      To prove Ardern lied, you need to see what the MOH told her, and compare that with what she told the public. You don’t have that evidence.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:55am
      - Paulus
        
        It is known that once she and the little chippy fella get advice from the MOH they do whatever they politically want.
        Politics beats Science remember.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:06am
      - amospicton
        
        She is a perpetual purveyor of mistruths….
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:35am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Ardern R. takes advice from no one. She doesn’t have the nous or mana to give advice so govt is a blossoming talk fest waiting for a capable leader and reform of the Pubic Service sycophantry.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:53am
      - lilman
        
        Lie,
        
        There is plenty of PPE.
        
        The police are door knocking to ensure that people are self isolating.
        
        I only found out about the sexual nature of the compliant when the investigation made its final report.
        
        It was never intimated that I would limit access to my office because of difficult Questions.
        
        No taxpayer money will be spent on the land purchase.
        
        Their is plenty of Flu jabs.
        
        We have plenty of Covid test kits ,you need one you will get one.
        
        We are testing at the border.(a govt report says,black and white,the PM was present when told this was not happening.
        
        The Brightline test will not extended in the next term.
        
        Lies, just a few,Im working,can add more if you want.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:38pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        If that is the case then ms Ardern should have said. ” I am advised by. ????? That xxxx “
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:04pm
      - SB2
        
        The truth is the PM is not in the same league as the serial liar the now vanquished ex-President Trump.
        
        One who has set a new ballpark in flagrant lying.
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:26pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Wow, see SB2 shoe horn in Trump again.
        
        Instead of Godwin’s law, that invariably someone brings the Nazis into any debate, we should have Fuckwits law, that SB2 will mention Trump.
        
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        March 2, 2021 3:05pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      So you think someone living in a house with persons who have been asked to test and isolate until their results are confirmed is sanctioned to be a possible transmitter in public?
      Here we go look at this from the person herself:
      “The family had been told to get tested after the first student tested positive on February 14. But while her two siblings were told to self-isolate, she says she was not.”
      You might believe that someone living in a house which eventually has more than 1 positive case of Covid has no clue that she might be a spreader before she was tested. I don’t.
      She may well have lived with her symptoms until her sickness worsened, found herself in the crap, and needing a test. At which point she outs herself on FB and blames others. Perhaps she should be blaming her 2 siblings who apparently did the right thing, but that wouldn’t work either.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:55am
  - calendar girl
    
    Absolutely right about the failure of the the present NZ Government to acquire sufficient anti-Covid vaccine to immunize the entire population.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:02am
    - SB2
      
      calender girl there at least 7000 billion waiting in the cue but I feel assured that we are getting there.
      
      Had my first jab last friday.
      
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      March 2, 2021 2:28pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        The word is ‘queue’.
        Presumably you must be in the frontline of health, but away from the border, as that was the secondary group to have Cov-19 vaccine priority.
        Hard to think that the word ‘{SB2}’ and ‘essential’ would be in the same sentence.
        Aside from, ….”essentially, a troll.”
        
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        March 2, 2021 3:13pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Bugger – you’re still here.
        
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        March 2, 2021 3:46pm
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Whether someone is or isn’t a compulsive liar is a matter of fact, not consensus. While I wouldn’t say she is compulsive, she lies and obfuscates frequently when forced into a corner to protect her sorry ass. Ardern is the epitome of someone who has got to where she is because she is mediocre at best, amongst a sea of utter incompetence.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:11am
    - tf78
      
      AND very expensive SLOGANS!
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:40am
  - NoFax
    
    She is either a liar or an idiot and I think we agree she isn’t stupid.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:35am
    - surfing
      
      What is your evidence she lied?
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:56am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Do you do Tui billboards?
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:55am
    - namron
      
      NoFax, I’d go for “idiotic-liar”!
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No minority, just media coverups
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Being in the minority in no way makes them wrong. In fact in this case it shows they have their eyes and ears open, and aren’t blinded by princess fairy dust and a complicit, bought-and-paid-for media.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:54am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and opinion is one thing, they can be molded and distorted.
    FACTS are another, they are pretty thin on the ground around ardern and this govt.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:51pm
  - virtualmark
    
    WTF are you talking about?
    
    We have purchased enough Covid vaccine for 14 million people. Just what do you think the population of New Zealand is??? Hint: It’s much less than 14 million people.
    
    Inconvenient facts available at https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-types-vaccines
    
    Muppet.
    
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    March 2, 2021 5:29pm
- EssenX
  
  Her communication skills are overrated. In an emergency, people respond to their leaders and the crisis makes the leader look good. The litmus test is how engaged people remain as the months and years (in the case of long wars) pass. Regardless of what one thinks about COVID or lockdowns, people are tuning out of Ardern. This could be damaging to Labour this term if it becomes a trend.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:49am
  - Liberty
    
    “Her communication skills are overrated.”
    The normal reaction after one of her rants.
    “What the fuck is that demented woman going on about”
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:37am
- Surely Knott
  
  Who is lying? The “communications” sent to the teens are disputed so why didn’t the journos ask for the evidence. They said that LETTERS were sent to the family on Feb 17 and 19th. WTF?!? There is a deadly spreadable pandemic and our only hope is elimination and billions have been spared to stop it. You can’t get through on the phone, and you send a letter?! A letter?!! That takes three days. Why not send one of the army around to deliver it, and get a signature on a contract abut the terms of isolation and the penalties. And while you’re there slap an orange quarantining do not enter or there’s a $10000 fine sign on their fence. And why is a copy of the letter showing the advice people should have received not published in the article.
  
  Then the authorities said they sent a text. Really. Even my hairdresser says push Y to accept, or N for No to confirm you read it and agree. The contents of that text is disputed with the teens saying that their advice was that family didn’t need to isolate. Could the Journalists not have looked at the text and verified it. Or even screenshotted it and printed it.
  
  Ardern said “… most family members in the Auckland cluster were asked to be tested and remain in isolation until they received their results.”
  
  “most people” “asked” It’s all very wishy washy.
  All people were emphatically told. Their houses had orange stickers. Their phones received alert signals. They signed contracts. We rang each day to confirm if those 4 households were complying and if they needed groceries delivered.. There were fines and consequences if they failed to isolate. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300242225/covid19-kfc-worker-claims-she-wasnt-told-to-selfisolate-before-going-to-work-wants-apology
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:00am
  - Maxx
    
    Comrade Ardern will leave enough wiggle room so that she can be “let down by the process”
    
    All talk, no accountability. I would suggest she reads this article https://hbr.org/2020/02/does-your-team-have-an-accountability-problem
    Spoiler alert – the first thing it states is check yourself before blaming others
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:54am
  - surfing
    
    I agree, the process is flaky. I don’t see evidence of lies from the PM , but the whole system of managing outbreaks is poor. Typical incompetence by labour though. Kiwibuild, 1 billion trees, electric car’s, housing people in motels, etc…
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      If you don’t see it, you’re deliberately blinkered.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:19pm
    - lilman
      
      Surfing plenty of proof, lol you know it too.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:40pm
- AndyW
  
  “In Hāwera, Taranaki, Whitikau Rio, 19, said the prime minister got the message across, but younger people might struggle to focus for her longer messages….Rio said making things tougher was that Māori in particular did not like being told what to do by the Government, “that’s just in our nature”. WTF??!! Imagine if a Pakeha, South African or anyone else said that.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:03am
  - Yabster
    
    yep but no one bats an eye – because to call that out would be racist apparently..
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:17am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Yeah, it’s like treason isn’t it. I bet you love being told what to do.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:15am
  - davidp
    
    >Māori in particular did not like being told what to do by the Government
    
    That makes no sense at all. If true, then Maori would all support ACT rather than the busy body Labour Party.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Us Irish too.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:57am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That’s right. My grandfather, a Cornishman came to NZ in 1910. A year later, his mother wrote and asked him, “What are the native people like?”
      My grandfather replied, “They are just like sunburnt Irishmen”.
      My grandfather learnt Te Reo within 2 years, and spent a few years working in the back blocks around Te Kuiti & Rotorua before enlisting and going to Galipoli, landing on the first day, and being evacuated with the withdrawal – spent the next 3 years in the trenches in France, was wounded at Passchendaele & reptriated home.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:16pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Talking of Stuff. Apparently the 21yo’s bad behaviour is the fault of white people:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124392502/covid19–young-people-to-government–your-message-is-too-old-too-stale-and-way-too-long
  
  Too old, too stale, not very Maori
  
  So there you have it, young brown people are too stupid to understand stuff and need to have it “translated”
  
  “Cuz udderwise it’s youse fault bro”
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Objectivity and credibility of Stuff = 0, again!
    
    Yuff says message too long, too white….really?
    
    Funny, it is the same message we got last March, last August and all Summer. These people are just full of it. Nothing else, and why Stuffed then choose to report, does their credibilityobjectivity no flavours at all.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:18am
  - ecco
    
    Yes I fell for that Stuff click bait headline as well. I really should show more discipline. It’s 5 minutes of my day I can’t get back.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:26am
- doggone7
  
  I watched most of the conference yesterday. I heard questioners seemingly trying to get Ardern to say she wanted people to ‘nark.’
  
  Did she say that? A reporter used that word. Reporter said, “You’ve asked people to nark to call each other out…” Ardern corrected the reporter. (48:00 minutes in the interview.)
  
  Saying she is a “compulsive liar” while deliberately misrepresenting what happened?
  
  And questioning the quality of journalism in New Zealand while perverting was it presented in it?
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:15am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The word “nark” has become a “luvvies” word where once it was a word used in the underworld to describe turncoats or informers.
    So the luvvies use gangster talking probably thinking it’s hip. In the next breath, they could be calling for tougher sentences and to be tough on gangs. Such are the perils of schizophrenia these days.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:12am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Ardern may not have sais “nark” but the equivalent is no different.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:59am
- RW Capitalist
  
  only this is not new,
  https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/resistance-responses-collaboration/german-collaboration-and-complicity/informants/
  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-germany-denunciati/germans-snitch-on-neighbours-flouting-virus-rules-in-echo-of-the-stasi-past-idUKKBN21K2RE?edition-redirect=uk
  
  Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim.
  George Santayana
  
  Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
  George Santayana
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:53am
- oldfella
  
  Happy, I’m intrigued by the MOH’s policy of ringing people in self isolation to make sure they’re staying home. Impressive? Nah, bro.
  What’s the bet most of those calls go to a cell phone, so the person on the other end could be next door having a beer – or further afield – and simply lie about their actual location.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:43am
fernglas

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/437440/business-leaders-demand-government-s-covid-19-plan-be-made-public
It seems fair enough. I’d quite like to know what plans there are for the future, if any
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March 2, 2021 8:03am
- alex Masterley
  
  I think there is a committee consulting on the plans at the moment. so the government will probably get back to us about 2030 with an interim proposal.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ ales masterly: first have to announce that they will make an announcement.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:13am
    - Maxx
      
      Don’t forget to repackage that announcement into new accoutrements.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:26am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Sorry forgot that bit.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      After the first announcement there will be a working group before the proper announcement
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:47am
  - Maxx
    
    The plan is in a constant state of flux i.e. we’re making it up as we go along.
    
    It’s a tricky virus
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:25am
  - arkhad
    
    When the second lockdown happened Jacinda kept referring to their resurgence plan. Mathew Hooten OIA’d it. There was no plan.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:11am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    ” back to us about 2030 with an interim proposal.”
    
    back to us about 2030 with an interim aspiration.
    
    There fixed it.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:43am
- Simon
  
  Lol – what’s the exist strategy?
  
  The exist strategy should have been the question in March 2020. But ho hum its only taken these clowns one year to ask.
  
  2020 was the Year of the Sheep for sure.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:10am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  “No plan is also a plan” – Cindy.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:16am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Is no clue also a clue (to stupidity?)
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:30am
- yossarian
  
  “We have a plan?”
  
  Evidence suggests otherwise
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:17am
- NoFax
  
  Most transparent government ever!
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    And She would get re elected tomorrow if there was an election. The ladies accept all she says.
    She is leading the nation like Boadicca against the horrible disbelievers.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:11am
    - tf78
      
      Paulus, I don’t think she will be popular for too much longer. The deplorables are starting to get restless.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yes, some of us at least, can see right through them.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdxd718WXg
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:31am
- david
  
  A reasonable number were asking that same question in April or May last year.
  What is the exit plan? they asked time and time again.
  All they heard were crickets.
  Certainly the media had their collective brain in neutral and there it has remained.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How could that be possible? Govt is as determined daily by the PM. Planning requires a skill outside our ruler and Court. She’s also beyond training. She’s been taught to emote, speak with an impediment and blather on being nice to media and paying them heaps for her cover. Government? We are going to have to call the French in if resignation is not very soon.
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:07pm
- virtualmark
  
  Mate, Google is not hard to use.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-strategy-and-planning
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-getting-vaccine
  
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-technology/science-and-innovation/international-opportunities/covid-19-vaccine-strategy
  
  Note that the dates for the nationwide vaccination programme (“Second half of 2021”) are dependent on when exactly the various vaccines arrive. AFAIK those dates aren’t locked in yet. There are strong indications and target dates, but nothing confirmed or guaranteed. I suspect that’s why the dates are still shown in vague terms.
  
  Personally, I expect to be vaccinated in August or September …
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:34pm
I remember when

Remember personal responsibility.
When you were responsible for looking after your own health.
When there was an element of luck – good or bad – in whether you became a sufferer or not.
Now we have real luck – we can isolate who was the original source and they were responsible for everyone else’s result.
Ignore the fact that many of the ‘Victims’ may have taken considerable risks themselves.
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March 2, 2021 8:07am
- I remember when
  
  Even the political parties are trying to score as many points as possible and looking to penalise the ‘guilty’.
  Very disappointed in some of the opposition parties suggestions in this regard.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:14am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    National should ditch whichever empty-headed, empty suits who advise them and read this blog on a daily basis. Not a scientific survey, of course, but it indicates the direction of the wind. I really believe that Tova O’Brien is an informal policy consultant. “What would Tova think?” They are so out of touch with what their ostensible constituents (remember us?) want, it is astounding. They are toast as far as I’m concerned.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:18am
- MCos
  
  I’m not sure I like your reference to ‘luck’ in your comment.
  Sure there are people who put their health at risk by bad decisions. To a degree it could be said that few people don’t take the odd risk, but others gamble with a losing hand.
  However.
  Plenty of people have misfortune thrust upon them like a ticking time bomb. I have a grand nephew who developed diabetes when he was about 2 or 3. Poor wee bugger’s life was saving one time by a helicopter ambulance dash from the farm the Ch’ch.
  A lot of kids develop diabetes, cancer, crook teeth, obesity, for one reason or another not their own.
  Winston Churchill lived to 90 despite an appalling lifestyle.
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:14pm
  - alwyn
    
    What do you mean by “an appalling lifestyle”?
    Fine Brandy and excellent cigars isn’t an appalling lifestyle. It is a life well lived.
    I believe in following John Mortimer’s advice.
    “There is no pleasure worth forgoing just for an extra three years in the geriatric ward.”
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:29pm
Happychappy

When will the media stop this charade and fact check the articles that are posted on their site. For example there is no team of 5 million aswell over a million people have no trust in Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister or this Labour Government, just because most her slogans are nice ,happy and so called healthy for some doesn’t say or mean they are fact,so you are paid to print facts so be honest and print them ,dont surmise the facts.
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March 2, 2021 8:08am
- Chris R
  
  The “team of 5 million” was never anything than a cheap sneering slogan from Ardern. The slogan was meant to engender an attitude that we’re all behind her and approving of her duplicity, her incompetence and her inability to act with any sense of direction. We have been had and the little grinning creep is aware of this. The word “team” implies co-operation willingly given, what Ardern provides is dictatorial filth which is repugnant to me…I am not alone!
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:42am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Just another mind fuck. “The team of 5 million” idea works like this: they arbitrarily – and without evidence – categorise the entire nation as being of one mind and unified. By implication, if you deviate and have a different opinion to the group-think, you are not a team player. Therefore, you are bad and dangerous. These people are snakes.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:26am
    - Justitia
      
      The “team of five million” is a slogan that would have resonated in the Third Reich. There the catchphrase was Volksgemeinschaft , where the interests of individuals are strictly subordinate to the nation or Volk.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:34am
  - tf78
    
    Chris R -she’d be lucky to have a team of 2.5 million, let alone 5.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:05pm
  - namron
    
    Chris R, jacinda’s wrong. She needs to get it right –
    it is the team of 4,999,999. It does not include me!!
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are right about no team of 5 million. I emailed Jaspinda and asked to unsubscribe. No reply, I guess she is far too busy
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:49am
  - SB2
    
    Now Steve Otto(North Shore) why should she even bother with a fanatical Trumpeter like you?
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:32pm
Ruahine

Where’s the Virus Cindy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX-7yHZNuT4&ab_channel=GlenCampbell-Topic
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March 2, 2021 8:10am
Bill Felt

Everyday I ask my self:

How we did we go from a Government and an economy which was the envy of the world?

To these socialist idiots!
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March 2, 2021 8:12am
- Tricati
  
  Ask Winston Raymond Peters – He, and the lucky break covid supplied, has a lot to answer for.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:19am
  - The Boss
    
    The people that really have to answer are the 7.2% that voted for him in 2017.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:21am
    - PeeJay
      
      And never forget the enablers of those 7.2% – those that wrote about ‘keeping them honest’ – you know who they are. Well that worked a treat didn’t it?
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:20pm
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Winston Peters cannot explain the 50% plus in the last election, though.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s called democracy. It’s not a perfect system, but it beats most of the alternatives!
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:20am
  - cmm
    
    With the manipulation of social media and the news, democracy is long dead.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:24am
    - Apropos of the Wet Snow
      
      Correct. New Zealand is not a functioning democracy. It may have been once, though. Free agency of the voter and full access to all ideas are both necessary and sufficient conditions for any functioning democracy. The former is also dependent on the latter. Rampant censorship of “bad” ideas that may lead people to make the “wrong” choice is antithetical to democracy. Simply ticking one box over the other every three years does not a democracy make.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:45am
      - ISeeRed
        
        When the majority can vote themselves more and more of the minority’s money, democracy is corrupted and the nation doomed.
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:56am
    - SB2
      
      cmm, utter bollux. People still have the ability to discern and judge for themselves the issues regardless of so-called social media manipulation
      
      I’m not sure about you though.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:04am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        People still have the ability to discern and judge for themselves
        Provided the information is not hidden and made available BEFORE an election.
        eg Hunter Biden story of corruption.
        Something like 30% of Biden voters now say they would not have voted for Biden if they had known this BEFORE the election.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:39am
      - SB2
        
        What Hunter Biden story of corruption.???
        
        Rudy’s bizarre tale of missing hard drives
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:34pm
    - PeeJay
      
      Appreciate it can feel that way at times, but this too will pass. The shine will wear thin, she’ll push too far on something stupid (like officially changing the name of the country – come on, we can all see this coming), the opposition will start to look cohesive and organised, and sooner or later the bills will come due and the current clown show will be shown for the useless buggers they are and they won’t have a clue how to get us out of the hole they’ve dug for us all. At that point, all the media support in the world won’t help them.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:26pm
      - Batman
        
        There’s one additional factor here.
        
        When the media smell blood, they will turn on the Government.
        
        Just look at 2011-2017 and how Labour was practically openly mocked by the media for being a shambles.
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And it fails when govts practice clientalism, carving out and working to grow a majority of non-taxpaying beneficiaries and public servant voters that it pays off by extracting ever more money from the minority and shrinking tax paying group, boosted by borrowings when that is no longer sufficient. This results in the economic death spiral seen in Greece, Venezuela, Argentina, Southern Europe … NZ
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:40am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Absolutely. “Team of 5 million” doesn’t apply when it comes to net taxpayers. More like “Team of 500k”, if that. And most people don’t get it, even when you explain how mathematically and economically impossible it is to sustain. That’s public “education” for you.
      
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      March 2, 2021 11:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, democracy though is not one man leading a party that got 7.2% support in the 2017 election being permitted to be the king/queen maker.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:47am
  - zulumonster
    
    Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. Mencken
    That’s where we are right now …
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Mencken was quite prescient. My favourite:
      
      On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
      
      A ‘fucking moron’, according to Rex Tillerson.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:03pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        That’s not nice about Biden, though very true.
        
        His senility though does excuse him largely, though not his handlers.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:52pm
      - SB2
        
        Trump fills the bill to a tee.
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:34pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Where is democracy in our current world? The press is blatantly Marxist, the big tech and big corporations want to see the world collapse (the big reset), so they can take over the world in a totalitarian manner. No democracy to see here.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:39am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    MMP is trash. It gives representation, sorta, but no certainty that any MP selected has any ability.
    Put them all to the Hustings, let them prove their mettle before the voters in person.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:12pm
- G152
  
  They cant do the job they were elected for so they’re trying to get the ‘team of 5,000,000’ to nark on each other.
  Shades of East Germany
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:24am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The Queen of Aotearoa is royally pissed at some her “Team of 5 Million”.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124398980/covid19-angry-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tongue-lashes-covid19-cases-for-letting-down-team-of-five-million
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:43am
    - Apropos of the Wet Snow
      
      Is that what Ardern meant by “we can deflect”?
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:46am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I’m not sure. But the thought of being lashed by Cindy’s tongue fills me with dread.
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Yep, G152. All heil Jacinda Honecker, comrades.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:06pm
- Justitia
  
  Remember, the baneful midwife who delivered this appalling government was one Winston Peters, ably assisted by COVID 19. Ardern owes her position to the chance conjunction of these deeply negative influences and nothing good can come of it.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:43am
  - kowtow
    
    And the success against the virus to geographical isolation and sheer dumb luck ; which is now running out and the cracks showing under very little strain.
    
    ps “Diversity” is not a strength , it’s a liability.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:11am
- surfing
  
  The UK joining the EU was the start of the fall.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:54am
- Sacha
  
  @ Bill Felt – We got here because a large cohort of youthful voters thought that the good life was an eternal given (they had no experience of anything less), but they wanted change and something ‘better’ and fell for the vision of loving kindness.
  
  So they voted for the person who promised to deliver their desires.
  I suspect that by the end of next year many will be looking back, wistfully, and realise that the promises were hollow. Who will they blame for their predicaments, I wonder.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:15am
  - doublehappy
    
    I hope so, I want my children back.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:46am
- virtualmark
  
  Bill, an honest question … what do you think National would have done differently re Covid?
  
  Note that so far at least National has fundamentally supported all of Labour’s decisions and hasn’t seriously proposed a different approach. A few political games around MIQ. That’s it.
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Horrors!!!!

Our dear PM isn’t on message to the young folk of South Auckland.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124392502/covid19–young-people-to-government–your-message-is-too-old-too-stale-and-way-too-long

She’s become just another boring middle-aged nag.
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March 2, 2021 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  These yoofs must be really thick if they don’t get the short and sharp sloganeering of this gubmint.Afterall it’s been designed to appeal to the stupid in the most simplistic of ways.
  
  But in fact this is just more Media Pardy shit stirring.
  
  I’m not complaining , I enjoy these idiots infighting along their ‘progressive’ identity politics lines.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:19am
- burt
  
  Pale stale female.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:20am
  - BassilFawlty
    
    Pale stale white female..
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:36am
    - oldfella
      
      Failed pale stale white female.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:09pm
- cmm
  
  Like nostalgia, youth-adjacency isn’t what it used to be.
  
  But remember in the grand scheme of things she doesn’t really care if she appeals to, or communicates with, the yoofs or not.
  
  We are just an annoying stepping stone on the path to the top.
  
  All she cares about is whether the international luvvies still think she’s the best.
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Cinders doesn’t have 1% of what it takes to be a UN worker. She is too self-mouthy to be a representative and too incompetent for an executive worker.
    She was raised as a fishnchipper so she has a career if there are small food suppliers left.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:18pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Now Choloe and Golritz will become their icons.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:17am
- Simon
  
  lol – stuff article. Reading stuff is a form of self abuse.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:18am
- Antoine
  
  When did it become optional to comply with pale stale instructions?
  A.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:38am
Tony Stuart

The Prime Minister has doubled down on her comments about Case L, the KFC worker:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern denies claims the COVID-19 case who worked at KFC wasn’t told to self-isolate.

The KFC worker, known as Case L, told Newshub she’s upset the Prime Minister said she broke the rules when she was never told to self-isolate.

Case L had family members who were considered a “casual plus” contact of the first Papatoetoe High School student who tested positive.

The family had been told to get tested after the first student tested positive on February 14. But while her two siblings were told to self-isolate, she says she was not.

The Prime Minister on Monday refused to apologise and said a request was included for household members to get tested and keep an eye out on any symptoms.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/03/covid-19-jacinda-ardern-refuses-to-apologise-to-kfc-worker-says-family-was-told-to-self-isolate.html

I hope the PM is more certain of her facts than her caucus colleague Trevor Mallard was when he falsely accused a parliamentary staffer of being a rapist. As a taxpayer, I really don’t feel like funding another defamation action.
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March 2, 2021 8:13am
- jv
  
  Whoops, sorry down tick mistake.
  There is only one end game for her elimination strategy. Failure.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:20am
- Inandout
  
  Tony, turn the sound off and watch the body language as she squirms in her seat. To paraphrase that famous Fawlty Towers comment from the psychologist: ‘there is enough material there for an entire conference’.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:25am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Correct! But the FT character was a psychiatrist, not a psychologist – there’s a big difference (especially when evaluating the current govt)
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I tried turning the sound off, but it did not work. I still hear ‘waffle waffle waffle, waffle waffle waffle’
    Make it go away – make it stop, please
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:56am
- cmm
  
  Power play and picking on some KFC burger flipper is hardly in the spirit of being kind.
  
  Remember Cindy, as you have boasted, the highlight of your free market career was scooping chips.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:32am
  - Ehlana
    
    Cindy is jealous – they never trusted her to flip burgers!
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:03am
- alex Masterley
  
  A media report I read yesterday said letters were posted to families saying they should isolate if they were close contacts.
  Letters? Which in Auckland can take five days to deliver!
  Really?
  Contact tracing should not just be by telephone. It should be boots on the ground door knocking with a racially diverse range of door knockers.
  MOH and the dhb seem to forget that South Auckland and on particular Otahuhu, Papatoetoe and Manukau are the most racially diverse areas in the country and for many English (or Maori) is not a first or even second language.
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:58am
  - Ehlana
    
    I would have thought that, oh, late January, early February last year would have been a good time for a responsible Minister (remember them?) to establish a contact group of community leaders in south Auckland, given the know issues in the area: poor health, poor literacy, overstayers, overcrowding, essential workers, close to a border and a major hospital, etc. Getting the message out could easily accompany the Sunday morning service and churches tend to have networks of people who can check on/shop for the isolating, etc.
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:09am
    - pdm
      
      Bring back Tony Ryall – now there was a competent Health Minister.
      
      Or dare I say it even `Full Moon’ Annette King – at least she had a semblance of competence.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:49am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Why have past and present governments let in people who don’t speak or understand proper English? I thought health and safety was a huge issue in the workplace now. If workers can’t discern hazard or warning signs, isn’t WorkSafe meant to be on it? Or will the HRC condemn employers for being racist if they DONT hire semi-literate non-fluent English speakers now and health and safety be damned? (This is an issue at my work but no one can say anything.)
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:15am
  - MCos
    
    Counties Manukau Health don’t seem to use NZPost.
    Any communication we have had has been by way of DX Mail. I often see letters being delivered by someone from that organization on a motorbike around the neighbourhood.
    The last one we received was dated 23-2-2012 & I noticed it the letterbox two days later.
    
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    March 2, 2021 1:25pm
- alwyn
  
  TV3 showed the message her sister got on the late news last night. I clearly shows the statement that family members don’t need to isolate.
  It is about 1 minute and 45 seconds into this report.
  Why they didn’t seem to contact her later if they were changing their mind is not explained.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/03/covid-19-kfc-worker-says-she-was-never-told-to-self-isolate-wants-an-apology-from-pm.html
  And I am quite prepared to believe that they never got any letters. Even if there were any actually sent I wouldn’t trust NZPost to deliver them.
  Methinks the PM is trying to cover up the Government incompetence by kicking someone who can’t kick back. It is called bullying.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:14am
WellingtonBFF

The new dob-in-a-friend-or-family-member phase of operation Stasi!! The prime misnister says remind people of how important it is to follow the rules or we are letting down the dwindling team of <5 million. Turn citizen against citizen. Straight from the socialist playbook!!

I hope she remembers selfies during the election campaign in contravention of 'the rules'
Hypocrites be like:, rules are for thee, not for me. Ardern is the worst!!

I'll be telling anyone that tries to pull me up for imagined infringements to F off.

This has got to stop!!
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March 2, 2021 8:17am
- Ian Boag
  
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  I think “call out” is not quite the same as “dob in” ….
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:22am
  - WellingtonBFF
    
    It will evolve into dob in very quickly – the blame game has begun in earnest……
    
    Why didn’t she ‘call out’ the selfie fools! Oh that’s right, she’s held to account by the media…..oh wait!! Nope, she’s not.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:23am
  - lifesgood
    
    It is nobody else’s business. The idea that this country will become awash with loathsome tell tale tits is abhorent. If anyone tries to call me out they will be told to FO in no uncertain terms.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:33am
    - Ian Boag
      
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      On a bus. Near you is someone sneezing and sniffling and not wearing a mask. None of your business so you won’t say anything ….
      
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      March 2, 2021 8:51am
      - lifesgood
        
        Nope. None of my business. If I feel it is dangerous I’LL wear a mask. It is called personal responsibility.
        
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        March 2, 2021 9:32am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Bugger the mask, the science is in Ian, masks have no discernible impact on transmission. No matter what you “feel” about it.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:54pm
      - Batman
        
        https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.23.20237149v1.full#:~:text=%E2%89%A40.3%C2%B5m).-,Wearing%20a%20protection%20by%20the%20emitter%20alone%20reduced%20much%20more,and%20are%20easy%20to%20clean.
        
        There is plenty more of this if you’d like more reading about the 90%+ reduction in outward droplet spread, among other benefits.
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:35pm
      - SB2
        
        Ed Snack, totally wrong as usual from a Covid 19 denier.
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:36pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      “Fuck off Karen” has a nice ring to it.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:34am
  - cmm
    
    How can you tell? Are you reading between the lines?
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:33am
    - fernglas
      
      I thought she explained quite clearly what she was talking about and it wasn’t reporting people to the authorities. That idea came from a misleading Stuff headline, which has been picked up by the Maori party, among others. Yet again, the truth is secondary to political point scoring and journalistic click baiting
      
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      March 2, 2021 8:45am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Ian is right. She is telling people to tell those around them to not break the rules.
    
    Of course, that’s not how it’ll work – people will definitely “snitch” because there’s a lot more power in that.
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:46am
    - rockape
      
      How do I know if the person beside me is supposed to be in self isolation? That was the case here. People cough or sneeze for many reasons other than COVID. Myself ,I have been restoring an old cabinet, that dust makes me sneeze for hours after.
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:07am
      - doublehappy
        
        You have been told many times WEAR A MASK! Dust is bad for your lungs.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:59am
    - Ian Boag
      
      people will definitely “snitch”
      
      Where did you go to crystal ball school?
      
      And the cops will be out in force to arrest the snitchee. It will give them a break from nailing teenagers with a joint in their pockets ….
      
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      March 2, 2021 9:11am
      - NoFax
        
        Ian – do think there is something special about NZ that the vast majority of people won’t turn into snitches as has happen if every other country that has gone down a similar road.
        This is the chance for low status people to feel superior. So if someone tells me to wear a mask and I say no (in more colourful language) what do you think their next step is? Come on, we have seen this played out already with the first lockdown with the nark line overloaded.
        
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        March 2, 2021 9:40am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @nofax
        
        every other country that has gone down a similar road.
        
        Really? I can ignore the “every” bit as hyperbole. Could you maybe cite a half-dozen countries where there is widespread dobbing in …
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:53am
      - NoFax
        
        I can’t reply below – but you don’t have to go much further than here. The dob in line was used a lot at the beginning of the year.
        
        And when I say similar line I mean when states invite citizens to snitch on each other not just in relation to Covid. The Red Scares in the West and the Soviet dictatorships provide plenty of examples. Don’t be naïve.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:18am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I guess the difference is getting a Karen or a snitch on your case. Neither is pleasant though.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:32am
- alex Masterley
  
  Can I dob in the PM for running away from Auckland together with assorted other cabinet ministers and MPs?
  
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  March 2, 2021 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that why at least 2 planes left Whenuapai Sat evening? MPs skipping Level 3.
    Wait until the pink haired one finds out
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:20am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      MPs (including the PM) don’t fly on RNZAF aircraft. Like everyone else they use Air NZ or Jetstar.
      
      The only exception is special overseas trips by the PM when the B757’s are used. Typically APEC or the Pacific trips. Which haven’t happened in the last year.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What about if Jasinda said it was an emergency for the security of South Venezuela?
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:12am
      - Swifty
        
        Ron Mark used to do it all the time.
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What if, Steve, the 757 was taking unicorns to Narnia?
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:29am
      - igm
        
        WM: Are you now Ardern’s chief of PR?
        
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        March 2, 2021 10:31am
      - NoFax
        
        No one wants to fly on our clapped-out RNZAF planes – we have let our arm forces downgrade so much that we might as well disband it.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:20am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        igm 10.31am.
        No, he’s someone that doesn’t bs and moan all the time. Try it.
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:21am
      - Ruahine
        
        The PM on Jetstar. Are you kidding?
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:36am
      - alwyn
        
        @swifty.
        No, no. Ron never misused the Air Force planes. These flight were probably all owned by the Army so it was all above board.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102310207/defence-minister-ron-mark-in-the-firing-line-over-nzdf-flights
        
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        March 2, 2021 11:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        alwyn
        The Army doesn’t operate aircraft.
        Also, while Ron Mark didn’t misuse the RNZAF flights, perception can easily be otherwise.
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:56pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        Provably untrue Mr Mapp.
        
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        March 2, 2021 1:22pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Wayne,
        
        I think an exception to that is that each week the RNZAF do a series of passenger flights up and down the country for NZDF staff and family, and I believe some PMs have occasionally hitched rides on those flights. Not sure if Ardern does. I think Key did once or twice.
        
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        March 2, 2021 5:39pm
Benedict Yu

‘An increasingly angry Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says recent Covid-19 cases have committed intolerable breaches of the rules, and have let down the “team of five million”.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124398980/covid19-angry-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tongue-lashes-covid19-cases-for-letting-down-team-of-five-million

Well who would have guessed? Some people don’t follow the rules. Does Jacinda ever get out? Of course some people don’t follow the rules. This is not Taiwan, Singapore, or Japan.

The system needs to be designed knowing that many people will never follow the rules.

I wish she would just shut up. Use your star power, get on the phone and ask for 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine. Get it here now.

And when the 10 million doses arrive on the cargo plane in Auckland at minus 70 degrees, please have a plan to distribute it. Hint: Don’t put one of your Ministers in charge.
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March 2, 2021 8:24am
- burt
  
  In other breaking news: Every parent who’s gone away for the weekend and told their late teen/early 20’s children not to have a party while they are away is shaking their head at the incompetent government that though 45 minutes of head bobble and hand waving would be effective communication for them.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:07am
  - Ehlana
    
    [Deleted – no need to bring family into it here. Mod.]
    
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    March 2, 2021 9:12am
    - Ehlana
      
      Not having a go at the child, Mod.
      Simply pointing out the Prime Minister hasn’t yet had the life experience of communicating with the age group burt described.
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:30am
- amospicton
  
  100% Benedict – that is the real scandal here. We were promised in the election lead up I believe, that we’d be the first to get the vaccine. If that had happened, and if it was administered efficiently (cough) then none of this would be happening. It’s not the fault of a child in Papatoetoe; it’s the fault of the child in the Beehive.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:15am
- Phronesis
  
  You have to remember that these are the people who thought they could solve the the gang driven gun violence problem by making the guns illegal. No more legal guns, no more problem!
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:42am
  - NoFax
    
    At least NZ has proven that gun control doesn’t work. But I doubt we see any admissions to that.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:21am
- JerJer
  
  There are two problems here. People are sick of this inane waffling from the news conferences.
  
  I never cared what was said from the beginning. It seemed pretty simple, don’t do anything dumb, take precautions. Whats happening is that there is very complex and long winded messaging around a very simple issue. Whenever she comes on the TV I just turn it off. Mostly don’t watch NZ TV any more at all. So, point one is the messaging it too long, it is all about Jacinda, and that is of no help to anyone. So, people are ignoring it.
  
  Second, she is now picking on this KFC worker. Most likely this person should have known better, but I think what is more likely is that the MOH and whoeever else has not followed up, just like all the previous failures of testing and notiication botch ups that have occured over the last year, it’s happened again. and this time Cindy is being called out on it, she most probably does not have any of the proof she says she has (because she is a lair and it’s quite obvious). So, it will be interesting to see what comes of this.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:33am
- calendar girl
  
  Well said, Benedict Yu.
  
  The most urgent duty of Jacinda Ardern and her Cabinet has been (and remains) securing – within NZ’s borders – 5 to 10 million doses of the best vaccine currently available to fight the Covid-19 virus.
  
  She has the power to achieve this outcome, as well as access to the required finance to pay for the vaccine shipments. Why is she procrastinating and putting unknown numbers of NZ lives at risk before such action is taken?
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:05pm
Swifty

Aussie women skeptical about the 1976 International Year of Women; check out the final interviewee, she was on to it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Uu-VTXfRE

Nowadays of course if women quite earnestly and genuinely say ‘men cannot be women’ or ‘I don’t want to share my women’s space with people with a beard and a cock’ they are slurred, pilloried and abused so that they will conform.
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March 2, 2021 8:24am
- Swifty
  
  Sorry, update below:
  
  “…they are slurred, pilloried and abused (by women, among others) so that they will conform…”
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:25am
Benedict Yu

This is pathetic, fawning journalism.

Jacinda announces to the journalists that she has discovered that the Pfizer vaccine “reduces transmission of the virus”, and the stupid journalist breathlessly reports it. Of course the Pfizer vaccine reduces transmission of the virus. You should be asking Jacinda why the hell we are not well into a vaccine roll out.

As a journalist you should not need Jacinda to tell you about the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. You should be asking HER questions about the vaccine.

I guess he could have gone further and claim that Jacinda invented the vaccine.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300242115/travel-bubble-gamechanger-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-delivers-huge-boost-for-chances-of-australia-travel-bubble

“Travel bubble gamechanger: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern delivers huge boost for chances of Australia travel bubble”

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern just said the magical “t” word: transmission.

“Early evidence looks very promising of the Pfizer vaccine’s ability to not only protect individuals from the disease but also to reduce its transmission,” she said at a news conference on Monday.
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March 2, 2021 8:25am
- fernglas
  
  ” Of course the Pfizer vaccine reduces transmission of the virus.”
  I thought the experts were uncertain about that. I know they agree that it reduces the harm the virus will cause, but not necessarily that it stops vaccinated people from transmitting it.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Nope. There is now excellent data from Israel. It is 90% effective in preventing transmission. Which is very impressive. This is gold standard evidence from 10,000 odd people.
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:52am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Interesting to see an update. In fact Israeli cases figures are NOT dropping as fast as other less vaccinated countries.
      
      Not sure why, though it may be a data issue or a timing one.
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:57pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s only on emergency approval so its fitness is not proven.
    Individual informed consent is required for any and each dose.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:28pm
Paulus

I see in today’s Herald a quote from our wonder woman which says –
“PM: Not for politicians to make prosecution decisions”.
She makes every other one – but wait – South Auckland is one of her main voter bases, and Goff agrees with her – he would.
Why not ? – because the Police at the behest of Bloomfield’s mob in South Auckland would cause unmitigated panic due to the thousands of “unknowns” there. Overstayers possibly !
Having said that how will the government be able to vaccinate many there as they technically do not exist.
How will these people get tested as they do not exist. Will government dispensation be granted to overstayers.
When it is time to vaccinate how will they be found ? Ardern says not her but Police’s job.
It is Ash’s job to find them apparently and take the blame for the secrecy which abounds in this area when they exist unvaccinated.
There could be, as suggested, many thousands of such unregistered people.
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March 2, 2021 8:32am
- burt
  
  Just remember, they are us. Be kind!
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

I usually don’t have much time for Perry Rush- president of the Principal’s Federation, but this time I think he is right.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437447/schools-told-to-consider-refusing-enrolment-of-violent-children-by-principals-federation

Violent and dangerous children do not belong in a mainstream classroom or playground.
They need specialist care and close supervision away from vulnerable victims until they are capable of controlling their behaviour.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437447/schools-told-to-consider-refusing-enrolment-of-violent-children-by-principals-federation
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March 2, 2021 8:45am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  what does that look like, and how can it be arranged in smaller communities? Day prisons for the kids in separate classes on same school grounds isn’t going to work in tiny rural schools – or should we be sending those kids away to Borstal or equivalent (I don’t have an answer either, just curious what people think)
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:55am
  - doublehappy
    
    Yes it is a very difficult problem. Perhaps a proper government would know what to do?
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:36pm
Aunty

The student council leader at Manukau Institute of Technology has asked New Zealanders to give South Auckland a break.

No, Micah. How about South Auckland giving the rest of Auckland and New Zealand a break, huh?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-manukau-student-leader-asks-kiwis-to-lay-off-south-auckland/WNLIGHSPJCXSNT3UXA7NG7LIFU/
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March 2, 2021 8:51am
- MCos
  
  Well, Aunty.
  You take the International Airport plus the Jet Park Hotel and you might find the problems might just shift to your neighbourhood.
  Every day several infected people arrive in Mangere, potentially exposing divers, cleaners, security guards, plus a wider circle of airport workers on close to minimum wages.
  As I recall the woman who was the first infected of the current outbreak is a laundry worker, now not pulling in a wage, in a household of six people. And so on. They’re all cooped up together.
  Maybe they think lockdowns are bullshit because HDPA said so . . . .
  
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  March 2, 2021 1:58pm
surfing

29th Jan…”When it came to where New Zealand was in the vaccine queue, the Covid-19 response Minister, Chris Hipkins, said we were at the top.”

If New Zealand were at the top, then why are other nations so far ahead?
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March 2, 2021 8:55am
BarryB

Ive been hearing all these experts comment on why its so difficult to get messages across to people in S.Auackland.
Basically what theyve really been saying is that:
1. The cant understand english (bring back the english test for immigrants then)
2. They dont trust anyone in authority except church leaders in their community.
3. They believe every and anything these church leaders tell them – like ‘give us $800 and we will get you citizenship’ and ‘Covid isnt real’
… [ Deleted – OTT casual racism. Mod.] Yes I know everyone thinks they do jobs that arent very nice, but if they werent here then maybe the employers would have to pay more to New Zealanders who can understand english and dont fall for the scams of church leaders.
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March 2, 2021 9:04am
- BarryB
  
  Moderator – you are making a long bow of my comments. I made comments about the people of S.Auckland. I made no comment that could be put in the racist basket.
  There are comments on this blog and others that there are people of all sorts of origins (Race, Culture, creed) in the area. You would not cull a comment such as |”the people of Ponsonby are smart because 20 years ago it was a slum but now its one the most desirable and expensive places to live” Yet if I put Stupid in stead of Smart you would classify it a racist. You been drinking too much Cool-Aid.
  
  [I have a copy of your comment that was deleted, and stand by my decision. Mod.]
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy :Generalisations (for a start.)
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:53pm
RoboRob

Super hero Ashley Bloomfield announces we are ‘Ahead of scedule on vaccine rollout’.

Damn easy to be ahead of a scedule that no one knows about, has no numbers and the public dont even know the actual numbers rolled out. Heres a hint, to match the UKs week one rollout numbers (and we are most similar to there health care system) we would need to have done ~6,333 vaccinations in the first week of arrival. My understanding is we did ~167. So go you legends, lucky you had it all planned out so well.

Note unlike those secret governments in the UK and the terrible Trumpian US we don’t bother publishing our rollout out numbers. Labour doesn’t do targets or actuals.
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March 2, 2021 9:10am
- RoboRob
  
  Oh and by they way, to match the UKs rollout, our week two numbers should be around 43000 !
  
  The rollout numners only go up from there.
  https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations (see the 1st dose weekly numbers) .
  
  My numbers are on a per capita basei i.e. (Uk vaccine number / uk population) * NZ population .
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:16am
  - MCos
    
    If you’re going to compere vaccine rates with the UK you might like to compere infection rates too.
    While they might be setting a cracking pace with their vaccine rollout, they have failed terribly, by our standards to protect the population.
    Of course they chose to follow a certain course and that’s their prerogative. Looking back one can see the concept the flawed, but who was to know.
    
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    March 2, 2021 3:07pm
- virtualmark
  
  No point comparing our rate to the UK’s because NZ and UK have received different amounts of vaccine.
  
  Better measure would be how quickly are we administering the vaccines once we receive them.
  
  And note that, because in a triage sense NZ is not a high need country, we don’t expect to receive significant shipments of vaccines until July or so.
  
  Hopefully that can come forward by a month or two, because the production rates are higher than expected when we and other countries entered into purchase agreements.
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:47pm
Yvette

Jacinda Ardern is a great communicator, ~~but clearly not everyone’s listening~~ – not everyone simply understands

But They are not all Us –

The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet needs to urgently provide resources for the victims to ensure they understand the findings and the recommendations of the Royal Commission Report. There is considerable disquiet about findings related to the terrorist and also the circumstances which led to the terrorism. The victims are also not aware of the impact of the recommendations, with respect to their own wellbeing [1]

Not everyone understands what seems to be fairly straight forward English.

Of those who were keeping up with covid advice and reports, thousands must have been lost when authorities started talking about “contacts”, “close contacts” and “contact casual plus”.

Ardern’s politicing intro to covid announcements must also loose thousands.

While some South Auckland church members apparently want a community counsellor excommunicated for supporting everyone getting the vaccination, it is likely many watching Ardern’s handling of the KFC worker will be deciding how well they may co-operate.

[1] Submission to Hon. Andrew Little Lead Coordination Minister for the Government’s Response to The Royal Commission’s Report into the Terrorist Attack on the Christchurch Mosques.

(Team of Five Million. Of the total 2,886,427 valid votes cast in the last Election, 1,443,546 (50.001%) were for Jacinda and her party, while 1,442,881(49.988%) voted for someone other than Jacinda and her party. )
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March 2, 2021 9:10am
- Joely Doe
  
  …fairly straight forward English.
  
  …must also loose thousands.
  
  Heh. I see what you did there… appealing to the youth
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t think the vaccines are going to be a get-out-of-jail card.

“If countries rely solely on vaccines, they are making a mistake. Basic public health measures remain the foundation of the response,

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/1/global-covid-19-infections-up-for-first-time-in-7-weeks-who-says
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March 2, 2021 9:21am
- SB2
  
  MW, appears to be stating the rather obvious don’t you think?
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who knows SB2?
    
    What is bloody obvious to me is that you didn’t have a clue about novel viruses, wet markets or the lack of PEP gear in NZ’s Health system when you were stalking my posts one year ago.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:14pm
    - nathie
      
      Brilliant – slam dunk!
      
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      March 2, 2021 1:05pm
    - SB2
      
      MW, as I work in the health system with my first covid jab last week I think I can speak rather more authoritatively about it than you or others outside it
      
      Stalking your posts?
      
      Garbage!
      
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      March 2, 2021 2:41pm
      - Sponge
        
        If it is true you work in the health system that is fucking scary. The utterly unhinged nonsense you post on here on a daily basis means you strike me as someone who would be unfit to be responsible for a broom let alone anything of real importance.
        
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        March 2, 2021 8:36pm
      - graham
        
        SB2 addressing Maggy:
        
        Stalking your posts?
        
        Garbage!
        
        Oh please. SB2, don’t even go there. Really, don’t.
        
        It is patently obvious to everyone that you have had an unhealthy and frankly pretty damn creepy obsession with Maggy for some time … and I notice you’re starting to zero in on another Maggie, namely Maggie Pie.
        
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        March 2, 2021 9:20pm
mikenmildagain

Ex-president held accountable:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/01/former-french-president-nicolas-sarkozy-sentenced-to-three-years-for-corruption
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March 2, 2021 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  m&m, try as you and the guardian might, this does not in any way equate to Trump.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:27am
  - SB2
    
    Hopefully a harbinger of things to come for crooked Trump
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, what made you think of Trump?
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:59am
    - doublehappy
      
      Why else would you bottom feeders be bringing it up?
      
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      March 2, 2021 12:39pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Funnily enough, what Sarkozy was convicted off is doing exactly what Biden has been doing for years. But no chance of Biden being even investigated, he has that magic “D” after his name as a defence against that.
      
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      March 2, 2021 1:00pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Justice may be blind, but she can certainly be bought at the Swamp Supermarket.
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:25pm
      - SB2
        
        Ed Snack, tell us what the new President has done that gets up your goat?
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:43pm
- MCos
  
  Oh!
  
  I didn’t know they could charge ex presidents with corruption in France!
  
  What rotten luck!
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:10pm
kowtow

Nashey threatened the firearms community with dire threats of prosecution if they didn’t follow the law and hand in their newly made illegal lawfully held firearms .

He even went so far as to say , your ex missus will dob you in after a row and we’ll be sure to really shaft you.

But when it comes to crippling the country’s economy and all the attendant problems that brings ……it’s Nah , be kind .

I can’t help but think it’s not so much about the law , as to the “communidy” that’s perceived to be breaking the law . More identity politics.
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March 2, 2021 9:31am
- Happychappy
  
  Is this what Nashy means ” your ex missus will dob you in after a row and we will be really sure to shaft you.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-ordered-to-pay-10000-for-prosecuting-one-of-their-own/KUA6GWEF67IZXCM47CKNJ7SWRQ/
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:07am
  - doublehappy
    
    He must have really pissed off his co-workers. $10,000 seems like a pittance to what they have done to him.
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:41pm
WaveyDavey

What a load of f*cking shite…

“I don’t think anyone failed here…” – Bloomfield

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/03/covid-19-auckland-cluster-families-who-failed-to-isolate-are-remorseful-no-need-for-punitive-approach-bloomfield.html

FFS. Half a billion dollars because of someone’s blatant disregard of clear instructions.

But yeah, let’s not hold them to account eh? They “didn’t fail” and they’re “remorseful”

So that’s OK, millions cost, businesses destroyed, jobs lost but it’s okay, they’re showing remorse (maybe they learned that from court appearances) so it’s all good.
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March 2, 2021 9:36am
- Frank the tank
  
  Watch it slowly dribble out that the MOH fucked up their messaging. St Ash knows he fucked up and if they continue to deflect blame to the families involved the whole story will come out.
  
  Morrah is starting to dig
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:17am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “Messaging” can get tae fuck. The correct word to use in describing “comms”, “messaging”, “releases” etc is propaganda, nothing else. The govts propaganda corps (both in house and NZ media) are not working to help NZ they are working to help Labour’s political ambitions.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:51am
  - oldfella
    
    Michael Morrah on TV3 is one journalist who’s worthy of the name.
    He’s so good, I wonder how long it will be before he’s shut down like Sean Plunket. /s
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:26pm
lifesgood

Who would have thought that we in NZ would be looking enviously at the UK with their incredible vaccine rollout, plummeting case numbers, plummeting deaths, schools reopening in 6 days, no doubt permanently, while here we are with an uneducated clown as PM with a bunch of utterly useless ministers, a puppet Director General of Health and no vaccine rollout in sight.
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March 2, 2021 9:38am
- virtualmark
  
  The UK has done well with its vaccination rollout. But I wouldn’t think many sane people here would be looking enviously at their overall Covid experience.
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Imagine being so unhappy with your life you are offended by a plastic potato.
The new model has a removable dick so you can change the sex
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March 2, 2021 9:38am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  They are such nihilistic, broken and sad people (ironically, due to the consequences the politics they espouse) that the only sense of power and agency they can derive is through taking offence.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nothing happens when you are offended – see Steve Hughes on youtube
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs
      
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      March 2, 2021 10:30am
      - doublehappy
        
        What a great comedian, wasn’t it great when making fun of each other was the norm?
        
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        March 2, 2021 12:54pm
- MCos
  
  Personally I’ve never had a fascination with plastic penises, Steve.
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:22pm
- virtualmark
  
  Sigh.
  
  I know you desperately want to believe Hasbro was making some sort of gender neutral PC statement. But that’s fake news.
  
  Hasbro have renamed the entire product line to be “Potato Heads” because the range has Mr Potato Head, Mrs Potato Head, and little Potato Heads (new potatoes?).
  
  https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/articles/create_your_potato_head_family_launching_this_fall
  
  But sure, that’s nowhere near as good a story at getting you angry.
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:53pm
kowtow

The word minister has its roots in Latin for servant.

With her exhortation to report on your friends , she should be called the ;

Prime Sinister.
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March 2, 2021 9:45am
- fernglas
  
  Sinister has its origins in the Latin word for “Left”
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:19am
  - sooty
    
    Prime Spinster?
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:59am
Nickc2

Have you ever wondered what is/may underlie the radical efforts by so-called Maori to Maorify NZ?
If so, take time out to read this by Dr. Muriel Newman: THE CORRUPTION OF DEMOCRACY
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwLsmbcmDHGhRfpJZVlPRRKgrxD
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March 2, 2021 10:03am
- Yabster
  
  Well worth a read- hope NZ wakes up and stands up.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:50am
  - fernglas
    
    Here is a better link
    https://www.nzcpr.com/the-corruption-of-democracy/
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:14am
- SB2
  
  Dead link!
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:12am
Happychappy

This is not sour grapes as the National Party have bought a lot of this on their own shoulders by forgetting discipline and using their own ambitions instead of the Party.
But have Senior female Jounalists or Reporters created a advantage for our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern since she became Leader of NZ and the Labour Party, from day one they with the help of Jamie Lee Ross and Winston Peters went after Simon Bridges in a orchestrated attack on his leadership.
Never in my time have I seen a bunch of females fawn over a Leader that has lied promised others like victims of the sexual deviate who worked in our Prime Minister’s office allow the deciet that followed.These female have great delight in interviewing and posting glowing reviews on Jacinda Ardern that know other Prime Minister has had before her and can do no wrong in the eyes of these ,
Jessica Mutch McKay
Tova O’Brien
Clare Trevett
Mihingarangi Forbes
Jenna Lynch
Maliki Sherman
Allison Mua
Wendy Petri
Audrey Young
Hillary Barry
Day by day can pass and one of these Senior Journalists or Reporters will have intervied or given their opinions on how Great Jacinda Ardern is in their eyes.
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March 2, 2021 10:10am
- Inandout
  
  Happy, we can’t sensibly discuss our MSM when they have been purchased again by the government.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:23am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You’ve only covered she/her – what about he/his (I think)? Jack Tame, John Campbell, Jesse Mulligan…
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Bad, bad women.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:26am
  - Yabster
    
    bad no, just socialist lefties like yourself Mike.
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:47am
  - Happychappy
    
    Toss toss tosser
    
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    March 2, 2021 10:59am
- Yabster
  
  so right
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:45am
- ecco
  
  Your list is in about the right order as well in terms of the dropkick ladder.
  
  Virtually no articles worth reading/clicking on these days.
  
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  March 2, 2021 10:51am
- The Boss
  
  They are nothing else but activists disguised as journalists.
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

I had to laugh. Chatting with one of the girls from work. She was saying they subscribe to a website called ‘Neighbourly’.
Apparently, after the PM’s press conference yesterday, somebody posted that Papatoetoe should set up a ‘DOB A SLOB’ campaign.

LOL!!
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March 2, 2021 10:11am
- SB2
  
  MP, you are working?
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP – 3 nights a week 11 to 7. You?
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:25pm
    - SB2
      
      MP, yes.
      
      Umm still paying off the Porche?
      
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      March 2, 2021 2:46pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Nope. Two year lease… then hand it back for the latest model.
        
        Not sure that’s an option with an ’82 Corolla is it?
        
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        March 2, 2021 7:40pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Good one Maggie – I see he hasn’t responded.
      Probably another bludger.
      
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      March 2, 2021 3:50pm
Cobolt24

Palmerston North house prices are expected to reach $1 million by 2022!
$1uff article, I don’t want to click it or link it.
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March 2, 2021 10:25am
- rangitoto
  
  Dang. There goes my plans to move to PN. Will have to be Ekatahuna instead.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t knock it – I have a friend who has just sold at Omokoroa, Tauranga and has bought a large 4 b/r – 3 bathroom house on 10 acres of land & has plenty left over. (cash that is 🙂 )
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:47pm
lazza

My screensaver is a picture of my Dad, a 21 year old Flying Officer of the RAF-RNZAF Coastal Command (Bay of Biscay 1942) .. an Ace Navigator.

In the grainy photo Dad is standing dressed in his workday No 3 uniform, with “Hat Officers (1)” pointing at a 2 ft sq hole in the wing root immediately adjacent to the starboard engine of his ASW Lockheed Hudson.

Dad’s aircraft (six crew) had engaged a surfaced submarine, its 20 mm putting up a lethal fusillade of 22 mm HE shells at the attacking Hudson.

The pilot lost it, so Dad with minimal pilot instruction brought the plane home to a safe landing … and won his DFC.

Some have said he deserved a VC!

How the F*ck is that! you unmoored milksop 21 year old dotards! … Not all of yuh … obviously!
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March 2, 2021 10:32am
- sooty
  
  Well done that man!
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:02am
- SB2
  
  lazza, we live in a totally different age and not a world war.
  
  I’m sure there are plenty today who measure up in the same kind of way.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4839999/Bravery-medals-for-31-real-life-heroes
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:21am
- doublehappy
  
  It’s good to be proud of the people who saved us from tyranny. Who will be the ones that save us from what faces us at present?
  
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  March 2, 2021 1:04pm
Rusty

Now our beloved PM is asking Kiwis to dob in their family members who break quarantine/lockdown rules.

Can you believe that?

They have done an appalling job managing covid and communicating their message to the public that its not surprising many people don’t understand the rules in the first place or don’t care.

Locking down Auckland 3 times in 6 months is not doing the PM any favours winning the people over to her.
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March 2, 2021 10:34am
- Flossie
  
  I’m certainly no fan of the PM but I did not hear “dob in”… rather “call out”. Quite different.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:06am
- SB2
  
  One of the problems is how far can you use a heavy hand and enfornce compliance with penalties
  
  I take it that rests well f with you?
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  Aucklanders still voted en masses for Labour last time Rusty, in the “Covid election”.
  That is what happens when you party politicise a major public health issue.
  Ms Ardern made the Covid election all about her.
  “Look at me, look at me, I’m in charge of the health officials. They’ll do as I say. I’ll save you “.
  And the NZ constituents were happy to go along with it.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:37am
  - MCos
    
    I’ve seen a lot worse during various election campaigns.
    Take for example Donald J Trump, who by his own admission, was the most incredible president America has ever seen.
    Others just ban/poison/arrest/banish into exile an opponent. Much more effective.
    If all else fails there’s the fallback of declaring the election a hoax, staging a coup and banning/poisoning/arresting the winner.
    
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    March 2, 2021 3:38pm
Benedict Yu

“[Andrew Little said] Pharmac has been a success story for NZ but there are concerns about access to some medicines that are funded overseas but not necessarily in this country.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300242223/watch-live-jacinda-ardern-and-health-minister-andrew-little-announce-pharmac-review-details

Well who would have thought? The Australian equivalent, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, has more than double the funding of Pharmac (adjusted for population), so there is that. It does not need a review. It needs more funding.

Let’s face it, there are so many billions of dollars being spent on utter rubbish, you could cut out a fraction of the rubbish and throw Pharmac another $300 million. I would not be complaining.
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March 2, 2021 10:41am
- alwyn
  
  Sorry, but they needed the money to pay for the Pike River shambles that Little put through. It would have been much easier if he had simply said “I stuffed up when, as the Union Official responsible for Pike River, I said it was safe”
  Unfortunately people believed me.
  Nobody should believe a thing I say in the future.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It says something very odd about a person when they think that a mining disaster was the fault of a union official.
    
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    March 2, 2021 11:55am
    - alwyn
      
      I suggest you read this article.
      There were a number of experts who, prior to the explosion, expressed concerns about the safety of the mine.
      Andrew Little announce that the Union he led, and which represented about half the miners at the site, had no concerns.
      https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2012/11/how-modern-unionism-failed-pike-river.html
      
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      March 2, 2021 1:42pm
      - SB2
        
        Basic health and safety requirements working a mine doesnt rest well with the article writer and you ?
        
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        March 2, 2021 2:50pm
      - Mike
        
        What a load of codswallop. Unions represent the concerns of their members. To blame Little, you would need to show that the union members at Pike River knew of safrty problems, asked thei union to help, and that Little failed to do something.
        The idea of blaming union officials instead of the people actually responsible for the mine’s safety – PRC and DoL – is ludicrous.
        
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        March 2, 2021 3:18pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  A review is important for many reasons, for example, “saving” money compared to the Aussie scheme is likely to have hidden costs that should be examined.
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:13pm
Maggie Pie

Gang members say… “they are left with no alternative other than sitting around home” after police crackdown.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1366279525563269125
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March 2, 2021 10:52am
- Ehlana
  
  Get a job? Volunteer in the community? Education or training?
  
  Just some of the things other people do that are not “sitting around home”.
  
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  March 2, 2021 2:35pm
Yabster

didn’t vote for them but do like their treaty policy… National take note..

https://www.newconservative.org.nz/policy/community-policy/treaty-of-waitangi-policy/
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March 2, 2021 11:03am
- doublehappy
  
  You won’t see that in MSM. My guess it will be called racist when in fact it calls for all to be treated equally. Also, it is long past the time when the facts about benefits and the harm they do to certain people and groups are acknowledged and ways to get rid of it worked on. Replace it with ways that give people back their sense of pride
  
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  March 2, 2021 1:15pm
  - Yabster
    
    yep- all perfectly sensible- i think they should be promoting their policies more- watch for the maori radicals and the woke lefties shout racist blah blah blah… just like this article mentions…. (and some of the links in the article)
    
    https://www.nzcpr.com/the-corruption-of-democracy/
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING……

What’s happened to President Biden’s ‘State of the Union’ address.
Was sposed to be Feb 23rd?

He hasn’t even given a press conference in the 40 days since being elected.

Just saying….
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March 2, 2021 11:24am
- alwyn
  
  There is no reason for the claim that a State of the Union speech was meant to have been made by Biden on 23rd Feb.
  All the Constitution says is ‘ the president “shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient,” it does not set a timeline’ and doesn’t even say it has to be a speech.
  Also none of the last six Presidents actually gave a State of the Union Speech in the year they took Office. They may have made a speech to a joint session of Congress but it isn’t called a State of the Union address.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s all very well, but I’m not one for making sh*t up.
    
    ‘Creepy’ was however set down to deliver his address on the 23rd of Feb – but nothing seen or heard.
    You can watch it live here if he ever finds his way out of the basement 😀
    
    https://www.thirteen.org/programs/pbs-newshour/watch-live-2021-state-of-the-union-special-zrzv6g
    
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    March 2, 2021 12:44pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, his keepers won’t even let him chat with foreign leaders and leave that job to Harris. The guy is a mental wreck and I feel sorry that Jill has pushed the poor guy this far.
      
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      March 2, 2021 5:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He’s got plenty of time to beat Trumpy’s record of 44, which included only 1 in 2017.
  
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  March 2, 2021 11:53am
- SB2
  
  There is no requirement by any President to dliever an SOU speech by a certain date,
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:14pm
- rangitoto
  
  Is he still alive?
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:22pm
- MCos
  
  The last time a President gave a State of the Nation Address in his inaugural year was Jimmy Carter.
  Apart from that.
  Who gives a shit.
  It’s just a chance for the Pres to say wonderful things, point out notable guests and his mates to jump up and down with endless standing ovations.
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:51pm
I remember when

What part of independent does a former chief of staff of a former Prime Minster represent.
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March 2, 2021 11:49am
Jack5

Rocket Lab Ltd has been one of the fastest growing New Zealand businesses ever.

Rocket Lab’s owner, Rocket Lab USA Inc, is merging with Vector Acquisition Corporation and floating on the Nasdaq exchange. This puts its estimated value at $US4.1 billion.

For an idea of the rocket take-off of Rocket Lab Ltd itself, consider the last reported annual result of Rocket Lab for the year ended 31 December 2019. The total equity of the company was $12.8 million.

Rocket Lab was set up in June 2006 by Peter Beck. He will continue as chief executive after the float, which will provide $US900 million cash for the company to build a bigger rocket, the Neutron.

Rocket Labs’ present Electron puts into orbit small satellites of up to 300 kg. The Neutron, which will cost $US200 million to develop, will be of similar capacity to Russia’s Soyuz. The Neutron will have a re-usable booster According to the CNBC article linked to below. It will be launched from a pad in Virginia.

The Herald account of the deal describes Beck as an Aucklander. Perhaps now, but Beck grew up in Invercargill, the third of fourth generation of a Southland engineering and technology family.

Beck 15 months ago told pupils at Invercargill’s James Hargest High School, which he had attended, that he wasn’t always very academic as a child. He went to school because he had too, but life was always about rockets.

“I knew from the day I was born what I wanted to do. I started building rockets from as young as I can remember.”

CNBC account:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/rocket-lab-ceo-spac-deal-a-supercharger-for-growth.html?&qsearchterm=Rocket LaB
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March 2, 2021 11:54am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Well done Beck. 15 years of hard slog and he has bought a company op from nothing to a leader in one of the toughest industry competing against state sponsored national launch services like Ariane and Soyuz and Delta who are so ossified that they now can’t compete with the upstarts who are not just building rockets but also developing them.
  
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  March 2, 2021 12:57pm
Brian McDonald

It may not be without its problems but interesting to see the developing attack on Covid in Israel through its immunization programme.
“Early findings from Israel’s covid-19 vaccination programme suggest that the rollout of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine is leading to fewer new infections and is at least 50% effective 13 to 24 days after the first dose.4/02/2021”
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March 2, 2021 12:20pm
Maggie Pie

Just sitting here having lunch and thinking to myself, how much more entertaining it would be if Bloomers & Bobblehead delivered their Covid19 updates in a rap format.

😀
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March 2, 2021 12:32pm
oldfella

In the US, Slow Joe’s Democrats find themselves in an identity crisis. They claim they are the party that values women and will fight for their rights.
On the other hand, the Dems have taken up the cause of transgenderism, which results in an elimination of the view of biological sex and gender.
So, are they going to fight for women or fight for a gender-neutral society. They can’t do both.
https://noqreport.com/2021/02/26/can-democrats-be-feminist-if-they-dont-believe-women-exist/?utm_source=econ
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March 2, 2021 12:35pm
Nostradamus

Japan asks China to stop performing anal swab tests for COVID on its citizens

Key points:
– Anal coronavirus tests have caused “great psychological pain”, says Japan’s government
– China says “science-based” research proves anal swabs are more effective than nasal swabs
– Beijing has denied reports that US diplomats have been forced to undergo anal testing

I wonder if Chinese authorities subject people from other countries to this “science-based” test.
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March 2, 2021 12:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well it’s encouraging to learn that anal swabs don’t appear to cause “great physical pain”.
  
  Imagine the psychological trauma the poor swabber experiences shoving probes into rectums.
  
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  March 2, 2021 1:14pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Need a permanent nose clamp and dark glasses.
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:38pm
RW Capitalist

I see the price of petrol in the US has increased by 30% since Biden canned the XL pipeline.
I also see the price of petrol here is now consistently above $2 / litre and up to $2:15.
Welcome to stagflation, coming to a town near you.
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March 2, 2021 12:56pm
- MCos
  
  I was wondering why the BP down the road was a bit dearer.
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:44pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Vodafone CEO Jason Paree, tells customer who complained about his organizations plunge into ‘wokeness’, that she can….. “FUCK OFF THEN”. In Maori.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1366513364730535941
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March 2, 2021 1:04pm
- graham
  
  Very easy for Vodafone to use ‘Aotearoa’ in their comms and proudly shout, “LOOK AT US! We’re so committed to honouring the Treaty and doing right by Maori.” But it doesn’t seem to be quite so easy for them to actually walk the talk.
  
  I see their marketing boss, Delina Shields, states that for Vodafone, honouring the principles of Te Tīriti o Waitangi means:
  
  “… developing meaningful, enduring and mutually beneficial relationships with Māori as tangata whenua, as well as celebrating and using one of our beautiful national languages, te reo Māori, wherever we can”
  
  Which all sounds very progressive, and like they’re supporting Maori however they can, but what about when it comes to actually putting all that talk into real, meaningful action though? Take a look at the Vodafone board and see how many Maori people you can see:
  
  https://www.vodafone.co.nz/our-company/ceo-executive-team/
  
  Have to say, none of the faces on that board or the names look particularly Maori to me.
  
  Not one.
  
  Oh well, I guess at least they’ve got a good percentage of women in top positions … that is, if you think 33% is ‘good’. I count eight men, and just four women.
  
  Actions speak louder than words, Vodafone, and your actions seem to be at odds with the public image you’re trying to portray. Looks to me like you’re pretty reluctant to promote women to senior positions, and that you point-blank refuse to appoint ANY Maori to board level.
  
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  March 2, 2021 1:56pm
  - Yabster
    
    huh what bullshit Graham you seem to think Maori have a right to be on a board just because they are maori – crap- if they are good enough they will get appointed or if they even want to be on a board (not that you have even thought of that) You would be the sort that supports maori wards I would expect.
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:26pm
    - graham
      
      I think you might be missing my point there, Yabster. It’s not a matter of what I think; it’s a matter of how Vodafone are eager to portray themselves and their values, compared to the reality of how they are putting their values into practice. Or not.
      
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      March 2, 2021 3:28pm
      - Jack5
        
        Paris is on Vodafone NZ’s board of three with Juliet Jones and Antony Welton.
        
        However, Paris is not a director of Vodafone NZ’s owner, ICN JV Investments, which is 49.9 per cent owned by Infratil and 49.9 per cent owned by BIF IV ICN Holdings, of SIngapore.
        
        Paris is one of 16 smaller shareholders in ICN JV Investments, with a stake of 0.03 per cent.
        
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        March 2, 2021 8:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, great piece of research there Graham.
    Interestingly though, my partner was saying he had heard that Jason Paree traced his Whakapapa back to Ngati Toa.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    March 2, 2021 2:32pm
    - graham
      
      Has he indeed? Oh well, my apologies then – just goes to show you can’t judge by appearances.
      
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      March 2, 2021 3:21pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxI9PXXoEvU

Huge Crowd Greets Biden in Texas, But There’s Just One Problem!

Joe Biden and his wife, or should i say ‘handler’ Jill traveled to Texas more than a week after the deep freeze caused power outages across the state. Biden waited until the temperatures warmed up into the 70s before heading to Texas because he is feeble.
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March 2, 2021 1:22pm
- SB2
  
  curry4me, absolute nonsense,
  
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/biden-declares-major-disaster-in-texas-as-federal-aid-flows
  
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  March 2, 2021 2:56pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/ve9mu3-whitmer-faces-own-nursing-home-allegations-as-two-former-staffers-accuse-cu.html

Whitmer Nursing Home Deaths.

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York and Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan are both facing backlash for their handling of nursing homes during the COVID-19 Pandemic.
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March 2, 2021 1:23pm
- SB2
  
  You forgot to mention this governor ,
  
  “Kristi Noem rigidly follows Trump strategy of denial as Covid ravages South Dakota”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/19/kristi-noem-trump-strategy-denial-covid-ravages-south-dakota
  
  Why?
  
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  March 2, 2021 2:59pm
Saks

https://i.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/124402094/mum-beyond-exhausted-after-being-rejected-from-more-than-130-tauranga-rentals

Article today about a lady that cant get a house to rent. Applied for 130 apparently…

Looks like a nice lady, but a quick look at her facebook page shows a photo with a patched gang member at some sort of event.

Its a no from me.

We dont have a housing crisis, we have a personal choices crisis.
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March 2, 2021 1:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She can’t work out what is wrong – but the landlords know
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    And the Media Pardy only tell us , the Great Unwashed , not even half the story.
    I’ll bet the churnalist who pumped out that pap was aware of the issues raised by saks above , afterall most of their “work” these days involves interviewing their typewriters.
    
    As Mr Trump would say “Fake news”
    
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    March 2, 2021 3:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We retired to the slums for a peaceful way of life and now discover we are in the hottest selling suburb in the country.
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20210302/hot-property-2/
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March 2, 2021 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum is pretty p*ssed off Magic gave Plunky the DCM.
Doesn’t listen anymore.
She reckons the only reason they employed Danny Watson to fill his slot, is because Fr. Felix Donally died.
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March 2, 2021 2:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, breathless Danny appears to be overtalking Leah. Very few male/female working as hosts are successful, in fact one host is sufficient. I like Leah, she doesn’t seem to push the Maori drama like Watson and his over the top pronunciation.
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP – really luv Leah as well.
    Reminds me of a bestie from boarding school days.
    For one of the Iwi – she’s sooo out there!! 😀 😀
    
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    March 2, 2021 8:25pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Sean Plunket, despite being seriously afflicted with TDS, was far and away the best talk back host in New Zealand.
  
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  March 2, 2021 5:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I’m not gonna donate my salary, I’m gonna donate yours.
Who??
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March 2, 2021 2:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hint, it is not Jaspinda
  
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  March 2, 2021 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Point of Order offers some opinions about the buzzing drones in the beehive

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/the-pm-was-angry-but-her-halo-is-slipping-and-aucklanders-are-riled-too-by-roadblocks-and-closed-businesses/
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March 2, 2021 4:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  [Deleted – not here. Mod.]
  
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  March 2, 2021 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

I see Heather Simpson got her snout back in the trough as chair of an ‘expert review panel’.

My partner’s mum knew her back in the early days – reckons she’s a total labor lackey. Just saying.
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March 2, 2021 4:24pm
graham

I see there’s an opinion piece on the Herald entitled “Donald Trump is a loser. Why are Republicans sticking with him?”

I’m not going to dignify the piece by succumbing to the obvious clickbait headline, but it does strike me as a tad petty to describe someone who was elected to the most powerful position on earth as a loser.

Just saying …
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March 2, 2021 6:18pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Well, butter my butt and call me a cheese melt!

The IPCA have determined, that referring to female police officers as…. “bitches, chicks, and the girls”, are all unacceptable.

Honestly, they wouldn’t last 5 minutes at the tennis club.
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March 2, 2021 6:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Great to know we have a bunch of bully boys keeping us safe in our communities.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437462/ipca-finds-significant-elements-of-bullying-within-police-workforce
  
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  March 2, 2021 7:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  They have never lived in a household where all the offspring are female.
  
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  March 2, 2021 9:50pm
Maggie Pie

NZH TRENDING…..

My partner was just saying we better hope that the ‘Government manager’ convicted of espionage for planting a spy-camera in a gym bathroom, wasn’t with the GCSB.

How embarrassing… with us being part of 5 eyes and all that 😛
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March 2, 2021 7:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Any pies or mags, maggie Pie?
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8kbsa8/til_a_new_zealand_spy_once_lost_his_briefcase_it/
  
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  March 2, 2021 7:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG Maggs!! How ‘spooky’ is that?
    
    Talk about history repeating itself 😀
    
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    March 2, 2021 7:52pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Maggie Pie and Maggy Wassilieff;
      Your comments from both of you on this site are appreciated.
      When are either of you going to come out with something that I can write;
      “That is completely far kin rubbish”
      There is a degree of humour amongst both of you that makes your respective husbands lucky bastards.
      Keep up the good work.
      
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