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Happychappy

The voter and general public of New Zealand should demanding answers from our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on why it took so long to reverse her decision on RSE workers from Samoa, Tonga and Vanuatu with free quarantine travel now available.
It’s fine to make mistakes on issues you personally don’t agree with if it had been for the benefit of New Zealand, but it’s not fine when it is to the detriment of New Zealand Farmers, Growers and Horticulturist who have been put under Mental stress at not being able to acquire workers.
But like all things this Government and our Prime Minister does it’s all about votes and what’s good for her not what’s good for our Country or Economy.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/quarantine-free-travel-samoa-tonga-and-vanuatu-rse-workers
This policy was a two finger salute too Farmers and Horticulturists pure and simple with our Prime Minister convinced the team of 5 million would stand behind her decision, but her arrogance took a different turn with Labour dropping 10 points in the latest Newshub Poll and if you think that was just a blip in the political settings think again and ask yourself the question why has it taken less than 24 hours for Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister to figure out this was bad policy and do a about turn on letting in Quarantine free workers from the Islands.
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August 3, 2021 8:00am
- pdm
  
  Happy most things Arderns lot try and do (they don’t actually do much) is to the detriment of New Zealand.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:29am
  - Ruawai
    
    The Labour Government just react to popular opinion and polls.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:23pm
- The Boss
  
  Feel free to demand. She will just refute it.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:00am
  - Exhumed
    
    ‘Refude’ it!!!
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:05pm
- Bob
  
  why it took so long to reverse her decision on RSE ..
  The latest Polls indicate a continuation of the downhill slide in her political popularity, that is why!!
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:07am
  - I remember when
    
    Another reason is that these workers are largely invisible to the general public.
    They largely stay in relatively isolated bubbles, away from the public eye – so do not exist.
    How often have you seen a group of Fijian scrub cutters for instance. Yet they worked in rural New Zealand every year cutting manuka – before it became ‘protected’ vegetation.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:56am
  - redeye
    
    One bad poll and they’re crapping themselves. How good?
    
    “Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson wants the Government to bring forward work on a second Waitematā crossing, likely to be a tunnel.
    
    It is understood that the Government is also considering scrapping its $785 million walking and cycling bridge over the harbour.”
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/grant-robertson-wants-to-speed-up-work-on-next-auckland-harbour-crossing-as-government-considers-scrapping-cycle-bridge/
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:10pm
    - Paulus
      
      Robertson is only suggesting it because National’s Judith Collins suggested it first !
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:46pm
    - jacob
      
      Robinson backpedling on cycle bridge
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:53pm
    - surfing
      
      Yep, the cycle bridge is gone! Incredulous they thought it would be accepted when they can’t even fix basic roading problems in the regions.
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:44pm
- Jack5
  
  Best to regard the seasonal labour from Melanesia and Polynesia as a dignified form of foreign aid.
  
  Mechanisation by robotic systems in Hawke’s Bay is being pioneered by company orchards now German-owned and by the German firm’s California subsidiary.
  
  This trend will inevitably undercut imported labourers picking.
  
  Mechanisation will improve national productivity, the key to our economic growth. There will be fewer jobs, and they will be able to pay enough to attract locals.
  
  Perhaps pandemics are going to be regular now, and that, too, will threaten international seasonal labour movement, and perhaps even international tourism.
  
  We need to focus on establishing industries and jobs in Melanesia and the Polynesian islands – enterprises that don’t depend on scale and low-price products.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:07am
- The Voice of Legions
  
  Why can’t they hire someone local and pay them more if necessary? I suppose everyone’s a free marketeer until the reality of the effects of supply and demand on wages takes a turn they don’t like.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:51am
  - Matt Long
    
    Free Markets imply the free movement of labour and products across borders. There are no Free Markets in New Zealand.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:42am
    - The Voice of Legions
      
      By that extreme standard, there have never been any free markets anywhere at any time.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:08pm
      - Matt Long
        
        New Zealand’s labour market has not been less free since at least the eighties, however growers have to compete with importers who are faced with a lot less constraints. The short game is rotting fruit in New Zealand and the end game mechanisation or other land use, in the meantime New Zealand is net poorer.
        
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        August 3, 2021 12:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Or the growers could get into robotics like T&G Global (formerly Turners and Growers).
        
        https://tandg.global/worlds-first-commercial-robotic-apple-harvest-at-tgs-hawkes-bay-orchards-with-abundant-robotics/
        
        Our marketing edge in horticulture comes from the science-backed standards, but, more importantly, being in the Southern Hemisphere and an off-season producer to northerners.
        
        In apples, for example, the fact that China produces about 80 times as many apples as NZ, illustrates that we will always be a nicher player, and mechanisation fits that role.
        
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        August 3, 2021 12:57pm
    - Isobar
      
      Technically there is also no free market for goods then either.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:28pm
  - I remember when
    
    The jobs are seasonal, were often the source of additional income for families with a single breadwinner and were not considered ‘skilled’ by most people.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:03pm
Greg Ettridge

“Strange how there is no female born trans athletes competing in the male classes”
I was one of the 9,979 people that up ticked this comment 53 down ticked.
So half of one percent disagree with me.
I think this is a great day for woman’s sport.
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August 3, 2021 8:00am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  She did quite well in the clean and jerk, but was let down by the snatch.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:04am
  - gorse
    
    Ha ha, very funny.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:18am
  - Batman
    
    Three no lifts and out early.
    
    So much for the great threat. She’s just not as good as the other competitors.
    
    Quality, professionalism and experience win the day.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:39am
    - All_on_Red
      
      More like Youth won.
      Laurel is 43. Thats 10 years older than the next competitor there. The rest are in their 20’s
      Its notable that in the Masters Class (40-44) the record is 77kg(?) and yet Laurel can lift around 120kg.
      So, if Laurel competed in the Masters, she would clean up.
      
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      August 3, 2021 10:46am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        No she wouldn’t he would
        
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        August 3, 2021 11:27am
  - Ruawai
    
    The Headline on ZB sports radio news this morning was “Hubbard didn’t register a legitimate snatch.” Very clever wording to be factual, but with a subtle second meaning.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:27pm
  - PhilP
    
    Oh! you are awwwwwful but I like that one.
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:13pm
- pdm
  
  Exactly what mrspdm said yesterday.
  
  Did Gavin get stage fright?
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:12am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Someone on the Daily Mail online has stolen his thunder, or he posts under another pseudo there.
    either way he is right on the money, this issue needs to be addressed to save women’s sport in the future.
    Fabulous respectful powerful statement.
    well done pdm, keep up the good work.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:24am
- surfing
  
  “Strange how there is no female born trans athletes competing in the male classes”
  
  Because that wouldn’t be cheating. I don’t find it strange at all.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:33am
- Sacha
  
  Based on that post Greg, I can only comment that perhaps FBTA’s know better than to waste their efforts on almost guaranteed failure – so not strange at all.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:02am
- kloyd0306
  
  He failed against men.
  He (yes, still a he) failed against real women.
  Justice was done.
  Let all trans genders take note.
  Start your own sports. Leave ours alone.
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:17pm
  - actista
    
    Agreed, kloyd0306.
    
    I think the Paralympics is as good a place as any for those like Hubbard to compete. Yes, I know it’s not a “disability” as such but they already have a zillion categories for this and that. Adding on a “trans” category should be easy for them.
    
    Anyway – I’m *over the moon* that Hubbard not only missed out on a medal but was nowhere NEAR a medal.
    He was beaten *fair and square*.
    I can’t see him competing at the next Olympics.
    Hopefully he will just fade back into the woodwork now, disappearing into anonymity in some small town in the middle of nowhere.
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:58pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree! Start your own fucking Olympics.
    
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    August 3, 2021 7:29pm
Maggie Pie

“I was only following orders”

– David Ross Ardern (NZ Police 1974 – 2018)
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August 3, 2021 8:02am
- Nickc2
  
  So were Nazi Concentration Camp staff.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You can run – but you can’t hide.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300372726/100yearold-former-nazi-concentration-camp-guard-to-be-tried
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:27am
    - The Voice of Legions
      
      At this point, what are they trying to achieve exactly? Is this just to ram home even further the “everyone must have diversity because the Nazis weren’t” narrative?
      
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      August 3, 2021 10:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So it was a personal apology, then.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-policeman-father-carried-out-dawn-raids-as-junior-officer/2VQOHS3CKVQAWV43D5E3LNXWVU/
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:26am
  - emmess
    
    More like the Cultural Revolution, I’d say
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/07/mao-little-general-horror-cultural-revolution
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:34am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    People have been cancelled for less…
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:55am
- hullkiwi
  
  That defence didn’t work at Nurenberg either!
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:32am
- Bill Felt
  
  “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s father, Ross Ardern, was one of the police officers who carried out the Dawn Raids on Pacific Island families in the 1970s – something the Prime Minister said she was uncomfortable with.”
  
  “Newstalk ZB’s Barry Soper reported Ross Ardern’s part in the raids as a young police officer, saying the Prime Minister had told him her father was a junior police officer who had to follow orders but had not believed it should be part of the job.”
  
  Barry Soper
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Shows what a load of crap the furore about the “dawn raids” is.
    
    The fault lies in illegal entry to the country, not in its detection. Apologies for coming to check at breakfast time? When would you have liked the knock on the door?
    
    In the middle of a terrible housing shortage, enabled by our population having grown at the fastest rate in the developed world, the Woke are in effect calling for open borders.
    
    If not, they should tell us how would immigration status should have been checked? At work? At school? At church? Or at home in the evenings or at weekends?
    
    I’m surprised that Kiwblog posters should, Woke style, liken to Nazi war criminals our police and immigration checkers.
    
    Good to hear, though, that Barely Sober is out of love with Jacinda. Obviously his Missus has sorted him out.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:26am
    - cha
      
      The fault lies in illegal entry to the country, not in its detection.
      
      In 1972, having been knocked back multiple times in their attempt to migrate to NZ, my haggis mate and his wife took a cruise and jumped ship in Wellington.
      Safe in the knowledge that only PIs were being targeted for deportation, he reckons he slept like a fucking baby during the time of dawn raids.
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s not what happened to the German family in Canterbury with New Zealand born children kicked out because the father hadn’t disclosed a marijuana conviction in his early life in Europe.
        
        And, of course, there’s the fact that thousands of young New Zealanders were working in Britain, and there were constant loud calls to retain the grandchild-right to work there. Britain was the door to Europe for scores of thousands of young New Zealanders.
        
        Bugger all people wanted to work in the Pacific Islands.
        
        Reciprocity is a valid point to consider in migration.
        
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        August 3, 2021 1:44pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Only two options here.
    Either it was a lawful order, so nothing to apologise for.
    Or it wasn’t and he’s personally responsible for his actions.
    
    The claim of “had to follow orders” is quite misleading. If he had a problem with it he could have refused or resigned.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Has she never had the Police turn up in number before daybreak with or without dogs demanding they get someone out of bed and search?
    Police have to do what they have to do. Feeling crook about that implies the Police don’t know how to carry out their job. Does the PM know how to carry out hers?
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:56pm
- Crisplion
  
  Ah yes, the Neuremberg defence. That one just never gets old. Didn’t save them at Neuremberg though.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:37am
  - cha
    
    the Neuremberg defence.
    
    KB gimp Godwins a young NZ plod doing his job.
    Backing the blue my arse, you POS.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:19pm
    - Crisplion
      
      I didn’t call him a Nazi you [Leave the personal abuse out. Mod], I pointed out the international law context in which it was established that following orders is no excuse for violating human rights.
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:22pm
      - Crisplion
        
        Fair call on the personal abuse Mod. A pity you didn’t call ‘cha’ on the same issue for addressing me as a “KB gimp” and a “POS”. Some consistency would be appreciated.
        
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        August 3, 2021 3:53pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern
  Interesting heritage, is a pure breed white Anglo Saxon, with Australian links on the way through.
  Will she now apologise for having white privilege, so many family apologies to deal with in this new world order.
  https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Jacinda_Kate_Laurell_Ardern_(1980)/tree.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:14am
  - curry4me
    
    Greg Ettridge: Probably working on an announcement about an announcement even as we speak. It’ll be done right after the next poll drop.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:53pm
- artemisia
  
  His daughter is also following orders.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:20am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Artemisia spit on . Bullseye.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:32am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Sins of the father then?
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:07am
- Paulus
  
  Understand it was not what happened in which he had been involved as a Police officer but the attempt in Wellington by the special media to stop this even being aired.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:39am
- Ruawai
  
  You couldn’t make this sh*t up!! Gold.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the circus freak was a complete fizzer at the weightlifting.
Bloody good job.
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August 3, 2021 8:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  On Newstalk’s sports news just now:
  
  The transgender athlete struggled with her snatch…
  
  I think that’s all that needs to be said on the subject!
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:06am
  - BananaLlama
    
    He failed three attempts to make a convincing snatch.
    I’ll see myself out ….
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:08am
  - Rich Prick
    
    … oh dear. I’m just pleased for the real women.
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:37am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Rich I believe it would have been far better actually had he cleaned up and thus illustrated how ridiculous his inclusion was. It’s why I think he flunked out.
      
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      August 3, 2021 11:36am
  - Souvlaki
    
    & failed to advance to the jerk….
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:55am
    - Bob
      
      There are plenty of ‘jerks’ who support’ it’.
      
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      August 3, 2021 10:11am
  - PhilP
    
    Tony Stuart, Snatch & Jerk, pretty easy for a Transgender I would have thought?
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:25pm
- cmm
  
  I’m not sure the competing athletes really needed all the mind-fuckery.
  
  I 100% support Hubbard’s statement that ALL people should be allowed to compete in the Olympics. Just compete in your born gender.
  
  What next? 100kg weight lifter self identifying as 50kgs?
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:08am
  - mandk
    
    Why not? Seems perfectly reasonable /s
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If someone says they’re 50kg, they’re 50 kg despite the evidence before your very eyes, you bigot! //
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:34am
- Homas
  
  Last night was the first time I’d actually paid any attention to his lifting form, and, while I’m no expert on the Olympic disciplines, I can’t help but surmise that he’s just not very good at it, is he?
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:09am
  - pdm
    
    We refused to watch – call it a boycott if you like.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    As Gavin Hubbard he held the junior record for males in his age group so must have been ok.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:31pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How was a performer of that grade allocated a place in any team?
    It seems to have a charade from the outset.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:07pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Hubbard proved incompetent enough to overcome the advantage of having been born and grown up male, but the same won’t be true of other trans athletes. The issue of whether it’s fair for trans women to compete in women’s sport remains as unresolved as ever
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Albert, this debate is just warming up…
    IOC admits transgender athlete policy outdated, will change after Tokyo Olympics
    https://sports.yahoo.com/why-io-cs-outdated-transgender-athlete-policy-will-change-after-tokyo-olympics-033812786.html
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:03pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      They can go on about nanomoles as much as they like, and they probably will, but in the absence of an objective definition as to what constitutes “fair” in sport – that will just be so much noise.
      
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      August 3, 2021 3:08pm
  - Phronesis
    
    He really needed a snatch to stay in the competition.
    
    Chortle.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:07pm
- hullkiwi
  
  My personal view was I disagreed with Hubbard’s participation and Hubbard won a medal, that to me would have been a tainted outcome.
  
  Secondly, maybe now after failure at the Olympics and failure at the Commonwealth Games in 2018, Hubbard will get the hint….that (whatever you want to call it), he is just not good enough!
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes. He was a failure as a male weightlifter, and now a failure as a female weightlifter. He just wanted to win a medal at the games as a weightlifter. He was a loser as a male, and now a loser as a female.
    He just needs now to re-jig his boobs, get his meat & 2 vege in the correct dressing side, go back to being a bloke and enjoy life.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:23am
    - Ruawai
      
      You can not agree with her competing but no need to attack someone personally.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:32pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    I actually feel sorry for Hubbard.
    When really Hubbard is just living the life that the left and the media told him was true and right. You’ll be a champion of diversity. The woke and even the government laws have declared that yes you can be any gender you want. Women are women. And to hold a different opinion to this is now illegal and wrong. So why wouldn’t Hubbard think they were on the right course. They had heard so few objecting opinions. And those who did object were written off as racist trump supporting terfs so ….
    
    It’s not really Hubbard that’s wrong, because society told Hubbard that this was right and to be applauded.
    
    If we had more free speech and less cancel culture maybe discussion could have been had more openly before it got to this. Before it centred on a single person.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Rubbish
      
      Hubbard is an adult and made her own decision to become transgender when adult (around 34 years of age).
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:12pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Sure. I don’t feel sorry that’s she’s transgender nor that she made the decision. But it’s pretty rough that she is a lightening rod for the criticism (criticism which I agree with) but her participation is within the rules and exactly in line with what we have been told via the media and science community and government and the sports regulation bodies – that transwomen are women and simply changing your testosterone makes it fair and true. Those groups should have seen more push back much earlier in the process.
        
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        August 3, 2021 2:39pm
    - JerJer
      
      A very small percentage of soceity is promoting this total bollocks.
      
      Their premature victory will be rolled back in the coming years and the more they push it, the worse the push back will become. Men are men and women are woman, end of. If you want to go become a woman because you can’t hack it in mens sport, go play tiddliwinks or Chess or darts, where phyisical advantage counts for nothing.
      
      Note: No offence intended to Chess, Darts and Tiddliwinks players….
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Couldn’t snatch, couldn’t jerk but found solace out the back door.
  Sez a lot!
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:23am
- igm
  
  There is karma . . . great!
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:09am
- surfing
  
  Do you consider all trans people to be circus freaks?
  
  If so, do you think they should be imprisoned for this?
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:42am
  - Batman
    
    Surfing, it’s all part of internalised fear of others.
    
    It’s a reflection on those making the comment rather than anything else.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:51am
    - The Voice of Legions
      
      Yeah, it’s clearly the people who can see and point out the obviously offensive-to-objective-reality nature of transgenderism who have the problem. I don’t fear transgender individuals, I simply object to the notion that it is a rational concept.
      
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      August 3, 2021 11:03am
      - Batman
        
        You’re entitled to that view but it doesn’t mean you are right.
        
        Transgender people have always existed throughout human history. It is very much a part of humanity, albeit a statistically small part. Thus, it’s a normal biological/chemical thing that occurs.
        
        The only thing that says it isn’t is humans tendency to react poorly when faced with something outside of their predetermined worldview.
        
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        August 3, 2021 11:12am
      - Homas
        
        I assume that when Batman uses the term “normal” he/she/they/zwir is/are referring to something that is off by 90 degrees?
        
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        August 3, 2021 11:36am
      - Than
        
        Transgender people have always existed throughout human history.
        
        Debatable. At a minimum usage of the term has been expanded in a way that would be unrecognizable (and baffling) to people even just a generation or two ago.
        
        Sure, human biology hasn’t changed, and atypical development would have occurred since forever. But for the vast majority of history, people were classified at birth by external anatomy, and that was that. The number of people with anatomy ambiguous enough that they couldn’t be classified (what would have previously been termed hermaphrodism) is vanishingly small.
        
        Nowadays people are claiming with a straight face that up to 1-2% of the population is intersex, based on things like obscure hormone conditions. That piece tries to claim these individuals “don’t fit traditional definitions of male or female at birth”. That is simply factually incorrect. The “traditional definition” is external anatomy – does the baby have a tinkle or a huhu. So, yes, these people do fit a traditional definition of male or female. They just don’t fit the new definition these people are trying to invent.
        
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        August 3, 2021 5:02pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I didn’t know being a circus freak was an imprisonable offence.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:59am
    - surfing
      
      But you claim that trans people are circus freaks, so I’m wondering what other ideas you might support.
      
      You didn’t really answer the question.
      
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      August 3, 2021 11:11am
- bennerg
  
  I’m cynical, and would suggest that the thought of winning, and getting the opprobrium from all over the world would have been a bridge too far. Pulling out would have harmed “the cause”. Just failing to perform is a compromise way out, gathering sympathy along the way.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:04am
- Fletch
  
  So let me get this right. He wasn’t good enough to compete in the men’s lifting, and now he has failed in the women’s as well? Where he has an obvious strength advantage?
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:29am
  - Batman
    
    Obvious or assumed?
    
    It seems the assumed strength advantage wasn’t very helpful.
    
    What a waste of energy from the culture panickers trying to decree the end of days.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:01am
    - Homas
      
      “It seems the assumed strength advantage wasn’t very helpful.”
      
      Apparently it has been “helpful” enough to rob actual women (with presumably better technique) of opportunities to compete fairly.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:01pm
      - chukar
        
        Leave Laurel alone,
        She has suffered enough and it will be ongoing!
        
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        August 3, 2021 12:32pm
      - Homas
        
        Chukar:
        
        Those who insist on playing stupid games will win stupid prizes.
        
        Universe functioning as intended.
        
        Carry on.
        
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        August 3, 2021 12:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      Were (born) females left out of the NZ Olympics weight-lifting squad because Hubbard was lifting more at selection time?
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:40pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Oceania had one place, which would otherwise have gone to a 21yo woman from Nauru.
        
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        August 3, 2021 1:50pm
The Boss

Cam Slater suggests we are heading for fuel shortages:

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/08/02/two-polls-show-the-slide-is-on-for-labour/

What do Kiwibloggers make of that?
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August 3, 2021 8:04am
- [email protected]
  
  If you look at the poll graph today everyone except National and Act are exactly at the same place they were in January 2020.
  
  National is down 11 percent from Jan 2020 and Act is up 11 percent from Jan 2020.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:30am
  - Isobar
    
    That graph fails on a few factors. I think its just showing Roy Morgan only. I distinctly remember the Nats bouncing back to 36% (for a very short time) after Muller came in, but i think that was a one news poll.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/06/latest_poll-76.html
    
    Quite interesting seeing those comments too a year later.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:41pm
- Batman
  
  Taking fuel industry supply advice from Cam Slater is the equivalent of taking financial advice from Greek Finance Ministers.
  
  It’s only going to end up with egg on face.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:45am
  - The Voice of Legions
    
    What’s up with your internalised fear of Greek Finance Ministers? So hateful.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:07am
- MrTips
  
  Slater may have got the idea from this: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/one-cent-a-litre-to-insure-against-no-fuel-for-essential-services
  
  This Friday, NZ Refining is voting on whether to shut the refinery and scrap it ENTIRELY.
  
  If that happened it would definitely be Venezuela time for us.
  
  In this case I would happily pay 1c a litre for the security of the country to process our own fuel, as well as retain trained talent and jobs.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:21pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    If the refinery goes, so do the coastal tankers. Join the dots folks..
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:49pm
    - Nickc2
      
      What’s the bet this action is Cindy’s way of getting us peasants into effin EVs? Honestly, this shiela has no shame whatsoever.
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:44pm
      - igm
        
        I read yesterday that ayoteearower means “Land of the Wrong White Crowd”.
        
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        August 3, 2021 4:32pm
- Isobar
  
  Lol werent the greens saying we were heading for fuel shortages and ‘Peak oil’ ??
  
  Never thought i’d see him take a green party talking point.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:34pm
JibberJabber

The Truth About Jacinda Ardern “Taking The Blanket” For Crusty Old Labour Unionists

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-truth-about-jacinda-ardern-taking.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AsianInvasion2019+%28Asian+Invasion+2019%29

I don’t know why any apology is due at all to the Pacific Island community for these raids from the whole of New Zealand.

Labour started them and endorsed them and the Pasifika community has forever since supported Labour religiously. They’re clearly happy with what happened or they would have turned off Labour forever? Surely?

I conducted extensive research around this “blanket of emotions” and cannot find any historical explanation. This is yet another thing other ethnicities are making up as they go along taking the piss out of the terminally woke and stupid white saviour warrior.

I am not apologising for the behaviour of Norm Kirk and Rob Muldoon. In my lifetime or after. Ever.
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August 3, 2021 8:04am
- Ehlana
  
  Will there now be a public ceremony of apology from Pacific Island overstayers to the government and people of New Zealand?
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:27pm
lazza

Prime Minister Ardern made the most of a photo opportunity to apologise for the dawn raids. She was almost fifty years too late.

Hon Frank Gill, National’s Minister of Immigration in the early seventies travelled extensively throughout the Pacific to apologise face to face to all of the affected Island nations.

It is also worth recording that the policies leading to the dawn raids were introduced by a previous Labour Government, then discontinued … by a National one.
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August 3, 2021 8:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not quite Lazza. Yes, the dawn raids began in 1974 under Norman Kirk, but they certainly ramped up in the early Muldoon years. I can still remember with a cringe the TV advertisements in 1975 showing brown cartoon overstayers with chubby faces and curly, fuzzy hair.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:14am
  - igm
    
    We had PIs employed as part time labourers, and daily they would be telling tales on overstayers . . . the bona fide PIs did not want them . . . now Ardern is apologising for their lawbreaking. She may think she represents 5 million, well start with the deduction of me, my family, and colleagues.
    
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    August 3, 2021 4:38pm
    - Nickc2
      
      and me!
      
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      August 3, 2021 7:24pm
Frank the tank

OneWokeNews and John Campbell woke up in a state of depression this morning following Gav’s efforts last night.

In other news the Dutch women’s hockey team. WOW…..just WOW
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August 3, 2021 8:07am
Southern Raider

Human Rights Commission now framing housing as a human right.

So is the duty then on the Govt (taxpayer) to give everyone a free house, should they be massively subsided, maybe free rent.
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August 3, 2021 8:08am
- Maxx
  
  A human right means not to be unduly denied access to, not that everyone is responsible for providing for.
  
  I’m not aware that people are being denied shelter, but maybe they don’t have available the house they want.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:31am
- peterwn
  
  While it is not a ‘Human Right’ for the Government to provide housing for all, it is very much a ‘Human Right’ for the NZ’s legislative framework that facilitates provision of housing, especially affordable housing. Assuming that the Human Rights Commissioner is going to enquire into whether the housing legislative framework (RMA, building standards etc) are fit for purpose and are consistent with the Bill of Rights Act, he is to be commended. But not if the focus of the inquiry is landlord bashing, more public housing etc.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:04am
- MCos
  
  Personally I don’t like the concept of people gambling with other peoples’ homes.
  The problem is the that there’s far more money to be made buying and selling houses than any of the usual alternatives.
  Other people live in most of the houses.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Look at passed for assigned free-right housing in Moscow.
  Is the commie advocate HR Commissar reinventing NZ after his own political thinking. He should be sacked he is way outside his boundaries.
  
  The govt may not be capable of almost anything but it’s still their job not his.
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:15pm
lazza

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Captain M … a “Heads up”

Your comments on the “Trans weightlifter” …

Meanspirited … Nasty … Uncalled for and demeaning … ehh?

Better left unsaid … rather than risk being seen as a bitter and twisted misanthropist … ehh?

The cap fits?
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August 3, 2021 8:10am
- Adroit
  
  ….Phil Ure, is that you…. eh?
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:52am
- igm
  
  Do you deny truth, facts, and common decency . . . it is an apparition!
  
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  August 3, 2021 7:09pm
- jgw739
  
  Misanthropy or misandry?
  
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  August 4, 2021 2:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Government realises RNZ is losing its audience.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-wants-rnz-to-up-its-game

I doubt that anyone in that once grand institution has a clue as to how it can “up its game”.
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August 3, 2021 8:16am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Problem there is, that these days “producing higher quality” and “attracting more listeners” are diametrically opposed objectives. Which does the Government mean by “up its game”?
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The person calling on RNZ to “up its game” should perhaps focus on upping his own game before he asks others to do that. Lead from the front Mr Faafoi!
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:26am
  - G152
    
    Oh dear.
    Isn’t the propaganda getting through to we peasants ???
    Good.
    Up your game liebor.
    A bit of truth wouldn’t go astray.
    Like where are those 200,000 houses we were promised ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
    and now theres a clamorous noise about a housing shortage.
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:31am
    - yossarian
      
      Simply banning other sources of the truth will be their agenda next. Even old Martin Martyn has gone all septic on Labour. And in other news, a cold snap is expected in hell this afternoon.
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:42am
  - Maxx
    
    Did the minister finally emerge from his bunker? Maybe it was a carrier pigeons.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:33am
  - Melbury
    
    Hey Radio New Zealand,
    I upped my game; up yours.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:29am
- mandk
  
  There is absolutely no justification for government-funded media in this day and age.
  
  If the government needs to communicate with people, it can buy advertising space.
  
  And if there is an emergency, the government can make it a condition of licences that broadcasts can be interrupted.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:26am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    ~~government~~ taxpayer-funded
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I note Kris has a shelf of books behind him. Are they hollow ones like the ones in furniture stores?
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:26am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It might be clever wallpaper…
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  Terms like journalistic integrity, investigative journalism, research, balanced, and bias free left the building a couple of decades ago.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:26am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …add to it speaking in a foreign language every second sentence… why should we listen?
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:30am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    After all the bs you have “published” on Covid you accuse others of not having journalistic integrity? Silly old white men these days.
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:42am
    - Yabster
      
      Racist, ageist and dumb- well done!
      
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      August 3, 2021 8:48am
    - John Pakes
      
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      How true Brian
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You agree with ‘silly old white men’?
        What a racist
        
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        August 3, 2021 9:43am
    - BeaB
      
      Ouch. That really hurt.
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:04am
    - RoboRob
      
      As far as I know Krazykiwi doesn’t claim to be a journalist or to be unbiased. Its to early to be drinking.
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      You may not have noticed Brian, but krazykiwi doesn’t claim or profess to be a journalist.
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:21am
- RockyJ
  
  It will double down on the direction that is causing its decline, namely its insufferable political correctness. Listen to it bring in more Pacifica, feminist, LBGT and Maori items and wonder why we are indifferent.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  If they want to lift their game, cut the pidgin gibberish. It’s impossible to listen to. That, or broadcast solely in our third official language.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:39am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    “That, or broadcast solely in our third official language”
    
    A case where silence would be golden? 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:01am
  - pdm
    
    `That, or broadcast solely in our third official language.’
    
    Esperanto.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:05am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Sign language. I could listen to RNZ all day were they to embrace it.
      
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      August 3, 2021 9:52am
- emmess
  
  They won’t be satisfied until RNZ/TVNZ is single source of propaganda
  The station on North Korea radio’s cannot be changed. They’d love to do that.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:42am
- Simon
  
  Its good to scan RNZ website for regime propaganda. What are they feeding the sheep and what is being left out.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:48am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  From within the article:
  “The second 2021 rating survey from GfK, released last week, shows RNZ National dropping almost 100,000 listeners across a week from a peak of 703,000 10 months ago to 602,000.
  
  The flagship Morning Report programme has lost all its audience growth of the previous year. It has an average of 412,000 across a week now, compared with 433,000 in November 2019 and the peak of 531,000 in September 2020.
  
  The beneficiaries of the audience shift have been the commercial media radio market, particularly Newstalk ZB.”
  
  So maybe Minister Faafoi might have to arrange for jamming of the competitors frequencies to assist the governments propaganda station achieve his desired performance.
  
  But there is also another strange concept here. A current Minister talking about “targets”. I thought this government didn’t do “targets”.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:49am
  - lifesgood
    
    I listened to RNZ Morning Report for years when they had the fantastic Geoff Robinson. Since he retired it has gone steadily down hill. Now they have totally left biased people like the Scottish, chip on her shoulder, Susie Ferguson. Clearly a product of a “working class and I’m proud of it” background. Mind you the constant “Call Katrina Batten a ho” is always good for a laugh. Hey RNZ, have you ever surveyed how many of your listeners can speak or understand Maori? I am now a thoroughly satisfied convert to Newstalk ZB and Hosking. How refreshing!
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Susie Ferguson is not from a ‘working class’ background.
      
      Her Paternal Grandfather was a Philosophy lecturer at Otago Uni. Her Father was a GP in Edinburgh and her Mother was an Anatomy lecturer at Edinburgh Uni.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/susie-ferguson-reporting-for-duty/QEFU4YPQ2KF2ER7ZAFQGI5IYNY/
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:06pm
      - lifesgood
        
        I stand corrected. However, a typical product of lefty academics then.
        
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        August 3, 2021 12:50pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      lg – I’ll even Maggy’s correction up for you. Got a reli whose’s Dad was very much West C working class and reli won’t give up the left come hell or high water. Our common grandfather was the same class as an immigrant. I have a hell of a lot of fun from time to time on the phone….. 🙂 🙂
      
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      August 3, 2021 6:57pm
  - dave_c_
    
    If the plebs are not interested in listening to govt propoganda (via their ‘owned’ stations), vee vill make it mandatory to listen, in the same way vee vill be making the vaccine mandatory (sometime very soon !), else you’s will suffer the consequences.
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:26am
- RockyJ
  
  It is truly awful when National Radio plays music. They pick the most obscure, unpopular and unlistenable stuff.
  You never hear the music they play on commercial radio. The reason commercial radio doesn’t play it is because nobody likes it.
  It is intellectual snobbery at its highest level. They must think it is like nasty medicine. It is good for us but tastes terrible.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:04am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Credibility is a coin you can only spend once. RNZ is a charter member of the left wing missleadia and are shedding their audience permanently as a result.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:00pm
- Ruawai
  
  I turned RNZ on this morning around 7:15 for about 10 minutes then had to change to ZB as more than half the words were in a language I do not understand so not much point listening.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:39pm
  - MCos
    
    At that time they were doing a piece on Laurel Hubbard in English.
    
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    August 3, 2021 7:09pm
Ra Henare

Another big celebration!
Major news event.

There will be an announcement next Thursday about a plan….

Ye gods, will it never end.
Ineptitude of the highest order.
Just ferking get on with it.

Also included will be a plan as to how they will have a better MIQ system to get kiwis home.
Yea right. They did that last year and the new MIQ system is worse than the old!!
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August 3, 2021 8:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  Just been sent this : https://www.groundedkiwis.com/
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:28am
  - curry4me
    
    krazykiwi: Thanks, I just signed, and put it on my FB page.
    
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    August 4, 2021 12:19am
- Ruawai
  
  And the govt is saying the made this plan up a few weeks ago but have yet to let the people in on the details.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

STRANGER DANGER!

https://twitter.com/Popsunderhouse1/status/1421840313577005058

(full screen/vol. up)
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August 3, 2021 8:23am
- mandk
  
  That poor kid.
  
  The creepy old guy needs to have a restraining order against him.
  
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  August 3, 2021 8:28am
Nukuleka

A young relative of mine attends a Catholic primary School in a low socio-economic area of Christchurch. The lad’s mother has commented recently about the amount of Maori that features in communication from the school- making much of it incomprehensible to her. The boy brings home reading material in Maori which is incomprehensible to both him and his mother. He is instructed at school that there are 20 English words that are now banned in classroom use and which must now be referred to by their Maori equivalents.

Ministry of Education websites refer to this school as an ‘English medium school’. Nowhere on the school’s website does it refer to itself as ‘bi-lingual’ but a closer examination of the school charter and policies in an attachment on the website state clearly that it is introducing ‘bi lingual’ policies with the aim of teaching 50/50 in English and Maori. The school even states that it has the policy of giving Maori language books as homework and sending its newsletters and other material home in Maori with the specific aim of ‘getting Maori into the home’.

No doubt this type of situation of ‘Maori by stealth’ is going on in many kiwi schools, often without parents even being aware that their child is now attending ostensibly a ‘bi- lingual’ school. In this particular instance one wonders who is driving this- the Catholic Education Office, the school’s BOT, the principal….certainly it isn’t the parents who remain largely ignorant of just what kind of mongrel language teaching their children are receiving. I say ‘mongrel’ because, of course, that’s what it is- a little bit of this in English and a little bit of that in Maori, all amounting to not very much of anything in the long-term.
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August 3, 2021 8:24am
- thetiedarch
  
  Something I’ve been wondering about this ‘Maori by stealth’ that seems to be happening in schools, media, govt, etc – is that how is it any different to the late 1800’s, early 1900’s when Maori children were forced to learn English at school. The claims now are that “their culture was stolen from them”.
  
  Are we not seeing the same when we forcibly push Maori language on English speaking students? Or is this a case of crap of “the English language isn’t part of European culture”?
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  The best way for you to defeat this is for you to gain the help of like minded parents and get yourselves all elected to the BOT
  Just take it over
  This Schools behaviour seems extreme to my experience with my own children’s schools
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:41am
- tf78
  
  You should say to your Head Master/Mistress – We are not a Maori family and do not speak Maori. If we are to be treated as, and forced to speak Maori we demand the same privileges as Maori. We want full access to beaches, fishing rights, water rights, land rights and everything else which at present we are be annexed from.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:55am
- Ehlana
  
  Is there a list of these 20 English words that are now banned in classroom use somewhere?
  Every time I think the limit of stupidity has been reached, someone proves me wrong.
  
  I wonder what the school is going to do to children who insist on speak and writing in their native English language. Bring back the strap?
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  20 English words that are now banned in classroom use
  Unlawful. The school cannot ban the use of English, that would be against the Bill of Rights. It is also offensive at least when considered against English as official language in NZ.
  
  When is this govt going to be sacked and its sycophants? Is there no sense of law or order left in NZ?
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:22pm
Tall Man

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/consumer-spend-funded-through-debt

I have been saying for some time that the so-called “strong economy” is a false image. Now when will the rest of the pundits wake up and admit we are heading towards a disaster at breakneck speed.

I also saw the “low” unemployment figures but nothing said about those that have been moved to other benefits and off the job seeker benefit to massage the numbers.
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August 3, 2021 8:26am
- surfing
  
  Correct. Also, the rockstar economy was due to high immigration numbers, boosting total GDP but doing little to boost per capita gdp.
  
  Productivity growth is like magic….maybe NZ will figure it out one day.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:47am
hullkiwi

A hint to Ardern, Little, St Ashley & followers as to how to misread the mood….

My wife is selling some honey, with a donation going to Mike King’s gumboot Friday organisation. My wife sold out in 3 hours, and she had people offering hundreds of dollars in donations, not even bothered if they got honey or not….

As Toxic Tova said yesterday, and number of little matters are stacking up against PriNZess….
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August 3, 2021 8:29am
Tricati

You need to see no more to understand how much this government hates dairy farming – The sector bringing in $20 billion a year to NZ, yet they have no alternative other than print money.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2021/06/documents-reveal-mpi-thought-border-exemptions-arbitrarily-limited-to-certain-sectors.html
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August 3, 2021 8:32am
Yvette

Ardern blames pandemic for Labour’s poll plunge.
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has dismissed a 10-point poll drop as Covid-19 pandemic fatigue.

Since it was a “covid Election” that gave her the majority Labour has, what really has gone wrong?
“Pandemic fatigue”? – or simply an overall non-delivery on almost everything?
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August 3, 2021 8:35am
- pdm
  
  Jacinda – try incompetent and unlikeable.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:38am
- Sacha
  
  I have been suffering from Pandemic Fatigue for at least 12 months. It is now tedious in the extreme.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:29am
  - MCos
    
    It’s called long covid, I believe, and for genuine sufferers is genuinely tedious in the extreme.
    Probably not what you have.
    
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    August 3, 2021 7:20pm
- A Nonny Mouse
  
  From the article…
  “The broadcaster compiled a list of “crappy calls” that could be to blame for the dip, including its management of the trans-Tasman bubble.
  
  In the three months it was open, the bubble was partially closed more often than it was open, and fears the dreaded Delta variant could seep into New Zealand led Ardern to shut the bubble until mid-September.
  
  It also suggests the housing crisis, worsening mental health statistics, nurses strikes, a $600 million cycle bridge and a perceived lack of support to farmers could also be hurting the government.
  
  Speaking to the television network, Ardern offered another reason.
  
  “What I hear from people is that 2021 is hard,” she said.
  
  “We all thought that 2020 was the really difficult year with the pandemic. This year – and I feel it too – this year is hard.”
  
  Ummm Jacinda – you have just been given a list of reasons why you feeeeeel the year is hard.
  Your crappy calls!
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:30am
mandk

Foul play in the competitive gooseberry growing world:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/02/gooseberry-row-erupts-champion-grower-accuses-rival-poisoning/
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August 3, 2021 8:38am
Akitio

So Winston Peters, on with Mike Hosking this morning, has declared New Zealand is “becoming a banana republic”. Think about that Winston!!!!!!!!!
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August 3, 2021 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  Akito, one wonders whether Winston may one day release his copy of the Coalition Agreement. I suspect Peters with his legal background would have clauses written in that would by pass Jacinda’s simple mind.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:36am
  - tf78
    
    I’d like to know how he can afford all these court cases.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:37pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Legal background indeed. His recent track record indicates he has long since forgotten his lawyering skills – if he ever had any.
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:24pm
Loddenthinks

Very pleased for the women in the women’s weight-lifting that the man pretending he’s a woman couldn’t lift anything, but I wouldn’t call him a circus freak. I would definitely call him a cheat, and it’s clear he has mental health issues, as do all people who imagine they’re really Martha and not Arthur.
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August 3, 2021 8:42am
- graham
  
  I wouldn’t call Laurel Hubbard a circus freak – I think that’s cruel and unnecessary – and neither would I call her a cheat. If the rules allow it, then why wouldn’t you take advantage of them?
  
  I do think that Hubbard most likely is confused, shall we say, as I personally believe the vast majority of transgender people are. There have always been people in our society who are confused about exactly who or what they are – hell, most teenagers fall into that category – and I think it is a sad indictment on our society today that we have people and organisations basically saying “If you feel like you’re in the wrong body then you’re perfectly correct – you are obviously transgender – let’s go down that path”, rather than saying “Let’s look into this a bit more carefully; because even though you may FEEL like you’re in the wrong body, it could just be a phase. Feelings aren’t always reliable.” Today’s society actively promotes and encourages what I believe to be a massive fraud, and so people who are confused or easily led are highly susceptible to being influenced.
  
  When Planned Parenthood in America is saying rubbish like “Many people know that they’re trans from a very young age — even as young as age 3“, there is something very wrong with our society, and I sincerely hope society as a whole wakes up and realises the harm it is inflicting on some of our most vulnerable people.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:26am
- BAM
  
  and it’s clear he has mental health issues, as do all people who imagine they’re really Martha and not Arthur.
  
  Christ, what a stupid narrow-minded old man.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:41am
  - Adroit
    
    You’re right, because the person that expresses that there is something wrong is the one that has the problem. Not the one that has been twisted through drugs and surgery into a cruel, simulacrum of nature’s perfection.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:58am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bewildered
    Arthur or
    Martha?
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:26pm
    - BAM
      
      FFS
      
      It doesn’t matter what I am, you pathetic dimwitted old fool.
      The creation of life is a very imperfect process, everyone is built with some flaw.
      
      Do you not think that it’s possible that the gender assignment part of the equation might not go as planned and people end up in the wrong body type?
      
      If so, do you think it is fair that these people should be mocked and ridiculed because of it?
      
      I guess you’re one of those religious clowns who believe that life is the work of God and God can never be wrong.
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:42pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You seem very angry at someone who has a different opinion to you. I don’t think this is good for you.
        
        To your questions:
        
        “Do you not think that it’s possible that the gender assignment part of the equation might not go as planned and people end up in the wrong body type?”
        
        No, I don’t think it’s possible that the “gender assignment part” might not go as planned. I don’t believe there’s even a plan. With the infinitesimally small exception of those born “intersex” – most of whom, by the way, display very strong gender characteristics towards one or other of the precisely two genders available – every single person is either male or female. Not only that, but every single cell of their being confirms that by way of the XX or XY chromosomes. So no, it can’t possibly not go as “planned”.
        
        “If so, do you think it is fair that these people should be mocked and ridiculed because of it?”
        
        – No I don’t, and I haven’t, and I wouldn’t. I specifically said he didn’t deserve to be called a circus freak, but you may not have seen that through all the spittle on your screen. I do strongly believe he’s a cheat, for many reasons that have been pointed out already, including the undeniable unfair advantages he has from going through puberty as a man, for having the physiological structure, muscle density and skeletal alignment advantages that a man has (and will always have) over a woman, and also including that the IOC “standards” were put forward by a transgender activist (who is also trans) and were corruptly rigged to get the range desired. So he’s cheating the women competing in that category, whether he’s playing by “the rules” or not.
        
        “I guess you’re one of those religious clowns who believe that life is the work of God and God can never be wrong.”
        
        – like most of your assumptions, you’re quite wrong. I’m the least religious person you’d meet, best demonstrated by my lifetime membership of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly self), in other words a Pastafarian.
        
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        August 3, 2021 2:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The story NZ media is missing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/li-wenwen-not-laurel-hubbard-real-tokyo-weightlifting-story/100344326
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August 3, 2021 8:43am
- Muttonbird
  
  Why did you make it about Laurel Hubbard, then?
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:39am
  - graham
    
    How, exactly, in the six words that Maggy wrote, did she make this about Laurel?
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I didn’t.
    
    There’s other folks in the world of women’s weightlifting – some of them have interesting back stories… here’s info on the silver medallist in the super heavyweight category.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/britains-emily-campbell-wins-historic-olympics-weightlifting-silver-medal
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:17pm
Ra Henare

Discrimination in the Government(and some corporates)

Recently I communicated by email to the Ministry of Social development. I advised I was hearing impaired(along with 700,000 other Kiwis) and would prefer a reply by email.

An auto reply was very quickly received, saying they would reply within 10 business days!!!!!!!!

Today is day 6 with no reply.

If I had good hearing I would have phoned and expected to talk with a human being within a few minutes at best a few hours at worst.
I am sure I would not have had an automated voice response saying hang on we will answer your call within 10 business days.

I have lodged a complaint with human rights commission…not holding my breath for their reply other than the thank you for your application.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0082/latest/DLM304475.html

Dont these idiots know this is the 21st Century with powerful computers and great email systems at their finger tips(including voice to text)

I readily have timely email “”conversations”” with all sorts of people/institutions often via foreign language translations(google)
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August 3, 2021 8:44am
BeaB

It surprises me that Maori speakers of Te Reo aren’t objecting to the Manglish on RNZ.
Random words, gabbled and garbled intros, words like motu and mahi being subsumed into English – this is the worst thing that could happen to a struggling language. History tells us the dominant language wins. Te Reo will become a curiosity, lending a few words to English and itself fading away.
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August 3, 2021 9:03am
- DeepBlue
  
  ‘Will become? Has become, I suggest. As soon as all the public servants graduate from their few paid lessons it will fade away, having done the mihi to retain their pay grade.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:35am
- Yvette
  
  BeaB
  Surely also, the way Maori words are dropped in among English does not give anyone a pattern or understanding of Maori verbs, other grammar, or leave a would-be learner anything to structure the most basic te reo sentence themselves.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This is a last ditch throw for Maori. It’s not very useful except on a Marae. We don’t want their waste words.
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:27pm
- kloyd0306
  
  If translation is necessary, what”s the bloody point?
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis called last night to see if there was any further goss on the still ‘unexplained death’ in Upland Rd?

Told her I’d heard nothing new for weeks. Although she didn’t know the house was already on the market! That came as a bit of a surprise.

Sam phoned back this morning to say she’d just made an appointment to have a look through later in the week. They’re not having actual ‘Open Homes’ by the sound of it. She wondered if I wanted to join her for a nosey.

Unfortunately the REA knows me so had to turn her down. Sam said she’ll get some photos and swing by afterwards for lunch.

(Will share with the group if she discovers anything of interest.)
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August 3, 2021 9:06am
- Cinematic
  
  I thought the REA was a little bureaucracy based in Wellington? Not a CIA type operation keeping tabs on Maggie of the northern(?) slopes.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:32am
Master Mariner

Finally some common sense about Cruise ships in Fiordland.
The real issue is Position keeping in confined spaces and bought this concern to MD Maritime NZ 2 years ago as a very high Risk Operation.

It had the very real scenario of making the Wahine look like a Sunday Mishap. There is No way you can rescue 1-3000 Passengers if lost Dynamic positioning and needed Rescued.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/southland/125946218/fresh-vision-for-milford-sound-but-cruise-ship-ban-goes-too-far

Even though piloted, it is a Highly Risky operation with Large cruise ships with unfamiliarity with Manual Control and Pilots uncertain with DP operations.
I say this with experience in Alaskan, NZ, Norwegion and Chilean Fiords and a Very experienced DP operator and Master.
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August 3, 2021 9:24am
- Colville
  
  What woudl be the survival time in the water down there? 15 mins?
  Bbbrrrrr!!
  
  My balls are hiding behind my ears just thinking about it!
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The water temperature in Milford Sound doesn’t get below 10C.
    
    https://seatemperature.info/milford-sound-water-temperature.html#:~:text=Water%20temperature%20in%20Milford%20Sound%20today%20is%2012.2%C2%B0C,not%20suitable%20for%20comfortable%20swimming.
    
    You should be able to survive a couple of hours immersion at that temperature.
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    And a tough place to get help to by land.
    
    Provided the Homer Tunnel is open, it’s generally well over an hour and a half to drive from Te Anau to Milford Sound, and longer to get to Dusky Sound. Helicopter access over Fiordland in rough weather would be difficult.
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:29pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      J5 – the reason most of the people who cruise Fiordland is that apart from the above options we’re over walking into Dusky & Doubtful. 🙂
      
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      August 3, 2021 5:02pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Ships Master ( because I think that’s what you really are) – now I’m only an old boatmaster who does things like take VXS’s, SS700 and on occasion an AMF 9.5 over the Hokianga bar. Is what you suggest not being a little bit precious? The reason I query is that I have also done the Hawaiian islands, Tokyo/Russia/Alaska/Seattle relocation and the Aus/NZ cruises on Jewel class vessels. Personally I thought entering Port Chalmers to be far more high risk than keeping position with modern multi directional drives in places like Milford sound. I assumed ( correctly) they wouldn’t take on Tory Channel with that class of ship. 🙂
  
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  August 3, 2021 3:41pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Master Mariner; your comments on this site are usually excellent, BUT could you please avoid abbreviations that experienced nautical people know all about but landlubbers like me have no knowledge.
  Wtf is MD and DP.
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:14pm
Brian McDonald

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I missed a lot of this due to work but the video is very helpful. Though I don’t fully understand what “matauranga Maori” but it is described as Maori knowledge pre-European after the good Professor in his interview acknowledged that the original navigators used science but later says we have GPS now.
I finally understood his objections to terms such as colonisation and so forth were getting in the way – in other words, the presentation. So I don’t know why he hadn’t taken the advice of matauranga Maori before deciding to criticise it. One could say he was being hypocritical and could not stomach the idea matauranga Maori had not only elements of science as well as folklore and legend as a way of oral history. He seemed to think that the preservation of food wasn’t science yet today methods of food preservation are expected to meet scientific standards. Most people consider Ford to have invented the motor car production line but that could be dismissed in that cars today have computers and computer assembly. Also, does science require a person to deny their culture, to be subservient to another culture and its teachings, and ignore its own? The dear professor is uncomfortable in the changing world, so he and some fellows wrote a letter and he was also good enough to point out there is GPS today.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/professor-stands-by-contentious-letter-calling-m%c4%81tauranga-m%c4%81ori-unscientific/ar-AAMR3C6?ocid=msedgdhp
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August 3, 2021 9:25am
- westernScientest
  
  Maybe you should go and read the open letter they wrote.
  
  Could you please define:
  1) Knowledge
  2) Science
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:39am
- Im Right
  
  Really Brian….please explain the local IWI not allowing lights to be added to a bridge because it would keep the local Taniwha awake at night!
  You see what happens when you allow IWI to have a say, can you imagine if all local councils have statutory maori on the council and the amount of projects that will get cancelled due to maori mythology and legends….no ‘science’ involved!
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If cats can close their eyes why can’t taniwha? They are supposedly mythical anyway. If not, that’s even worse as it is implicitly attributing the character of a spiritual being to them and potentially highly dangerous.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:31pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The taniwha needs money Kev, to help it sleep at night. Loooots of money.
      
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      August 3, 2021 2:27pm
- Adroit
  
  While this appears to be above your paygrade in understanding what’s going on, it really shouldn’t. Even you should be able to understand the tension between the two points. If Matauranga Maori has elements in it that conform to scientific standards, then those elements are science. If it has elements that don’t conform, then those elements are not science and shouldn’t be treated as such.
  
  Matauranga Maori should be taught for what it (largely) is: folk lore.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I take it that you have never studied science.
  
  Learning how to preserve food is NOT science. Through trial and error Maori would have learned that food can be preserved in fat. They had no understanding of the process by which the fat inhibited the reproduction of bacteria. They could not record the results of experiments. And they had no mathematics. They had no way to conduct scientific experiments to improve food preservation.
  
  I can’t believe I even need to explain this. Without a written language and mathematics there is no science. It is just random observations of the environment.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:07am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Lol. Brutal, Factual and to the point. Love it. We should screenshot this response and send it to all the academic loons inhabiting our “universities” at present.
    
    Waiting for the meltdown in one, two, three………
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:46am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I should emphasise that I understand that much Maori knowledge is valuable.
      
      Another good example is Australian aboriginals who had occupied Australia for 60,000 years before Europeans arrived. That is a much better head start than the 600 years that Maori had.
      
      As a result they had amazing insights into the environment including the medicinal qualities of hundreds of plants. That does not mean that it was science.
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:56pm
  - hilaryt
    
    Lots of us can’t believe it either. Used to be called ‘stating the bleeding obvious’. Some people have lost their minds.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:01pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The issues are:
  1) They are removing actual science for pseudo social science regarding the whole “was science used for colonising” – this is history subject matter, not Science.
  2) Matauranga Maori includes knowledge gained from observation which is part of the scientific method but that isn’t the only Maori Knowledge that they’re pushing. They are also pushing mythology etc which has no place in Science – it is Maori Cultural Studies, not Science.
  
  Scientific method doesn’t care about the race of the people who discovered knowledge and neither should we.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We don’t need pagan Maori culture and spiritual beings.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:33pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Stick to collecting cans out of rubbish bins Brian – it appears anything beyond that is a stretch.
  
  Ford didn’t invent the car – he created the first mass manufactured vehicle much like Maori didn’t discover astrology that has been around in various cultures long before the first pacific peoples left Taiwan in search on new lands to the east.
  
  As for the discussion in question you would have to be an intellectual retard to argue science is a western construct and that is what the professor is saying in more accommodating words.
  
  The argument has gone beyond full retard and I’m finally believing middle NZ is beginning to have had enough of the wokeborg that has infected this government and its bureaucracy
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    First actual road going internal combustion powered vehicle was produced by Carl Benz in 1887 well before Ford. And a Frenchman named Cugnot demonstrated a mobile steam powered vehicle as early as 1769.
    
    Ford pioneered mass production techniques in the automobile industry, that is his major claim to fame.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    In fairness, McDonald didn’t say that Ford invented the motor car.
    
    “Most people consider Ford to have invented the motor car production line ….”
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      McDonald said:
      
      “Most people consider Ford to have invented the motor car production line but that could be dismissed in that cars today have computers and computer assembly.”
      
      That statement by McDonald is irrational and stupid. An invention isn’t negate by later enhancements.
      
      But McDonald might tell us an item of technology that Maori invented.
      
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      August 3, 2021 5:09pm
- trout
  
  Whether the good Professor understands matauranga Maori or not is a peripheral issue. As he states:
  ‘Our main purpose was not to explain mātauranga Māori, our main purpose was to complain about the fact that kids are being taught that science is colonising and evil’.
  So often now, in this ‘culture war,’ some esoteric ‘Maori world view’ is used as a trojan horse to justify a political agenda.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:22am
- BeaB
  
  This non-debate recalls a Chinese friend, very proud of Traditional Chinese Medicine, who recommended I see his practitioner. I asked him if he used TCM. Of course he did, adding “but Western medicine if I have anything serious”.
  
  It’s interesting and laudable Maori could identify and navigate by the stars and didn’t eat where they defecated but I suspect there’s a lot more Maori ‘science’ no-one would have a bar of today.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Maori forgot any Polynesian skills they brought on ocean navigation.They were locked into New Zealand for centuries until Europeans arrived.
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:12pm
- Tarquin North
  
  Maybe the professor is a lot brighter than you Brian, and he clearly understands the difference between science and history.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:47am
- BeaB
  
  I am still concerned about the guy who had sex with his grandmother to procreate matariki.
  Any tips on how to tell this charming tale to kids?
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brian,
  Professor Corballis and his 6 colleagues were unfairly misrepresented in the Media last week following the publication of their letter in the Listener in defence of Science.
  
  Some folks just wanted to paint the 7 academics as racists … They aren’t.
  They weren’t arguing against folks learning about Matauranga Maori… they were pointing out that Science is not the preserve of White folks or western folks or colonisers.
  
  Read this and you might get a fairer picture of what the 7 academics were concerned about.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/125940471/science-cant-be-pkeh-or-mori-its-just-science
  
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  August 3, 2021 3:11pm
Maggie's partner

Italy win single sculls.
Italian sisters Giulia and Tessa Tosstorone, who identify as conjoined, and can, under Olympic rules, compete as a single athlete, eclipsed their rivals to win gold.
The sisters, who prefer to be addressed by the pronoun “they”, denied that having twice as many arms and oars as their competition gave them an unfair advantage, after they had lowered the world record by 3 minutes in their heat and again by 4 minutes in the final.
Chinese rower Wi Doh Ping, who finished a very distant second to the Italian, acknowledged their superiority, but insisted she would return bigger, stronger and hairier in 4 years time.
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August 3, 2021 9:43am
lifesgood

I just heard Laurel Hubbard interviewed on the radio. She sounds like a man and looks like a man. I can’t see anything feminine about her. What’s with this fantasy of “I am a woman”? It is interesting that old photos show her sporting a beard. I would have thought that was highly symbolic of stating “I’m male”.
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August 3, 2021 9:45am
DeepBlue

Te Huia just got slower… ‘Commuters can expect to drive the entire Waikato Expressway at 110kmh once the highway is fully open mid next year, Waka Kotahi says.’Stuff ‘
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August 3, 2021 9:46am
Master Mariner

“also good enough to point out there is GPS today.”

The real Scientific breakthrough was the Chronometer, Not GPS.

Reason, You could then accurately measure Longitude and have the 2 pieces of the puzzle for Position finding.
Unless you were skilled enough to measure the transit of Venus such as Cook etc to find your Position.

Fact.
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August 3, 2021 9:54am
- rangitoto
  
  Even the the GPS relies on clocks. Each satellite has four atomic clocks that use the US Naval Observatory master clock as a reference.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:18am
Manu-Rau

Now that Ardern has apologised to Pasifika for the Dawn Raids instigated by her predecessor, Norman Kirk, I look forward to hearing her apology to the families of the German and Italian soldiers murdered, and Italian women raped, by soldiers from the Maori Battalion during WW2.

These incidents are the blackest stain in the history of the NZ Army, and must be expunged. Perhaps the Minister of Defence could suggest it to her?
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August 3, 2021 9:57am
- mtamati
  
  Manu-Rau….I could write a small book on the stories told to me at the smoko table at the freezing works by a returned 28th Battalion soldier. Rape of Italian girls and a view other sordid stories would be included in it.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:14pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….
(And I do wonder if my partner’s mum has a good point?)

She just made the comment that when you look at the likes of say Emma Twigg, Ruby Tui, and even Laurel Hubbard…..should we have concerns as to where our next generation of ‘Olympians’ will come from?
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August 3, 2021 10:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  Technology should allow us to clone Lisa Carrington soon.
  
  Don’t you think she is the epitome of the kiwi girl next door Maggie. I’ve already told my son that is the type of woman he should aim for.
  
  That or any of the Dutch women’s hockey team.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:23pm
Muttonbird

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Lol. As expected, Kiwibloggers are out in force celebrating the failure of a New Zealand athlete.

[If you want to continue having comments approved, please try to add something in the way of an actual argument or reasoning rather than being a troll – Mod]
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August 3, 2021 10:13am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Because we consider her a cheat. I always enjoy seeing cheats lose.
  
  I have no problem with her being a woman – it’s much more than an arbitrary declaration on a piece of paper for her.
  
  The issue is that she had a huge biological advantage over her competitors. That she lost doesn’t make those advantages go away.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:33am
- MrTips
  
  And why would that bother you Muttonbird? You come here every day to celebrate the continual failure of your leader and govt!?
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  Quiet day on the standard eh, no getting many lookers while aredern recuperates …
  
  Anyway, back to more important matters, who will be in the bridle party in October …..
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:50pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “bridle party” – Freudian slip, or awesome burn?
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ummm ………. You decide, I’m certainly no neighsayer.
      
      I’ve always said that what accoutrements people wear in the privacy of their own homes are none of my business ….
      
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      August 3, 2021 4:38pm
BeaB

HEADLINE NEWS IN NZ
Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson is stepping in for his boss, as Jacinda Ardern takes her first sick day since the COVID-19 outbreak.
A spokesperson for the Prime Minister said on Tuesday she’s “suffering the consequences of having a child that goes to daycare and has picked up the seasonal sniffle”.
Ardern’s 3-year-old daughter Neve also has the sniffles.
Newshub
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August 3, 2021 10:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So effectively, the PM is blaming Neve for her being crook and having to take a day off work. It “just happens” to be the first day of Parliament for almost a month, lots has happened in that time, and the PM is not going to be there to be held to account.
  
  Colour me unsurprised.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:07pm
  - Isobar
    
    I dont think anyone (outside of the beltway) ever thinks Question Time is holding the Govt to account. No-one watches the thing.
    
    Even so, i predict the following will happen:
    – Government will deflect and absorb the hits
    – Collins will be timid as usual
    – Seymour will out perform Collins, as usual.
    
    All in all, about 30 secs of question time footage will make the news at 6.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:47pm
  - Aurelia
    
    J Candy only works 4 days a week anyway
    
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    August 3, 2021 9:18pm
- miltonF
  
  That’s one powerful case of “sniffles”.
  
  Or is Jacinda having a serious reaction to her second Covid jab she received just a couple of days ago?
  
  Too much of a coincidence to ignore this possibility.
  
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  August 3, 2021 2:31pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Ardern home sick. “Ardern has undergone a Covid-19 test this morning.” says the article.
  
  Ardern had her second covid vaccination last Wednesday. Why would a double vaccinated person in a country with no community transmission need a covid test? ?
  
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  August 3, 2021 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Journalists covering transgender athlete Laurel Hubbard, were given a 20-page set of guidelines on HOW THEY SHOULD REPORT on her participation….

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1422319571164307457
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August 3, 2021 10:32am
WaveyDavey

Oh the humanity…

“Bloke loses in women’s weightlifting”
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August 3, 2021 10:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, fascinating isn’t it? If a woman had entered and tested positive for high levels of testosterone she would have been disqualified.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Her testosterone levels would’ve had to be more than 5 times the upper limit of the naturally-occurring range for women, so if they were that high I think genuine questions would need to be asked.
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:39pm
Fletch

From the Blaze – quitting is now celebrated in the U.S

But nothing has changed more rapidly than our position on quitting. In 48 hours, Olympic gymnast Simone Biles transformed the felonious act of quitting into a deed of breathtaking heroism. On Tuesday, after a poor vault, Biles withdrew from the Olympic team competition, citing mental stress. The next day, she announced she would not compete in the all-around competition.

U.S. Olympic CEO Sarah Hirshland called Biles’ act “incredibly selfless.” That is not a typo. Hirshland did not call it selfish. She intentionally used the word selfless. USA Gymnastics, in a separate statement, labeled Biles’ decision an act of bravery and courage. Athletes, celebrities, and political figures across our country took to Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook to let Biles know her decision to quit was appropriate. Biles acknowledged over Twitter that she has been overwhelmed by the outpouring of support.

There’s now nothing more American than quitting. When the going gets tough, the tough claim the mental stress was just too high.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/whitlock-simone-biles-and-the-celebration-of-quitting-are-latest-signs-america-has-been-hacked
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August 3, 2021 10:46am
- Batman
  
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  As some wisecrack said, there’s a lot of whining from pasty white guys who haven’t won four gold medals, been sexually abused, and been the gold standard in your sport for nearly a decade.
  
  Maybe that’s why they’re all so sad, they have just never operated at the same level as Simone Biles, and that hurts their feelings.
  
  Maybe they just need to harden up, and shut the fuck up.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:05am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Got nothing to do with color Batty.
    
    For the record I’ve got no issue with Biles’ actions however people need to stop making it out as an add-on to BLM/CRT/Wokeborg and just accept it for what it is – an athlete that believed she could not perform to her high standards so pulled out.
    
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    August 3, 2021 11:38am
    - Cinematic
      
      Yep, it’s called quitting. Robs another athlete of an opportunity.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:42pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Part of what makes a high performance athlete great is mental toughness, determination, drive etc. etc.
    This is why there are sport psychologists, and coaches, and there is so much preparation and investment ahead of competition. Corner men make all the difference.
    In a national-title fight a couple of weekends ago the coach was telling me what he told his fighter in the last few rounds, since his fighter was gassing out. It was actually harsh, challenging, but his fighter won.
    What is see lately is a celebration of capitulation.
    It overshadows the actual champions.
    
    This coach has said to me that you fight the fight in your mind before you even get into the ring. Mental preparedness and visualisation.
    
    Those that persevere need the acclaim.
    
    Question:
    You don’t think that all the attention on what someone has in their pants or not, or celebrating ‘giving up’ as heroic is unfortunate or even disagreeable?
    
    The focus is on the wrong people here.
    
    “Never give up~!” has become “give up, it is heroic and selfless!”.
    You don’t sense a paradigm shift here?
    
    You aren’t morally better than others who disapprove of this recent phenomenon.
    There is a valid philosophical point here.
    
    Fighters call the will to push past exhaustion or pain ‘heart’. If you cringe from a blow, or give up because something hurt, that doesn’t make you a heroic. Let’s not pretend it does.
    
    If you fail: Try again, by all means.
    Or don’t. Seek help, bow out, but don’t pretend yielding is a form victory.
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:00pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Very well said.
      
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      August 3, 2021 1:56pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You nearly lost me at your pejorative ad hom to “pasty white guys” but I persevered to get to your cognitive dissonance and total absence of logic.
    
    You got the order of things mixed up – she was sexually abused, then she won four gold medals, and then she became the gold standard in her sport. There are very few people who have gymnastics moves named after them; Biles has four.
    
    All of this happened after she was sexually abused, demonstrating that – even at the tender age of 19 – she had more than enough mental strength to overcome the incredible trauma of being sexually abused by someone she trusted.
    
    Prior to these games, Biles was the most decorated female gymnast ever, with 30 World and Olympic medals. The 24-year-old has won 25 World medals, including 19 golds—the most in gymnastics history. At the Olympic Games in Rio in 2016, Biles became the first female U.S. gymnast to win four gold medals at a single Games.
    
    She’s obviously not well, and I wish her all the best, and she deserves the support of her countrymen and the gymnastics fraternity, but I do question why this sudden urge to quit is being celebrated as some kind of heroic selfless achievement.
    
    Sorry if that hurts your feelings, maybe you just need to harden the fuck up.
    
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    August 3, 2021 2:50pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Gee, Lisa Carrington just won two gold medals in the space of 75 minutes in two different events, over different distances, after having blitzed thre two semi-finals only an hour or so beforehand.
    
    This after coming in with the pressure of being a two-time defending champion in one event, and trying to win another event for the first time. Looks like there’s nothing wrong with her mental strength, despite all the expectations and an unbelievable workload.
    
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    August 3, 2021 3:56pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Indeed, lady to be admired!
      
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      August 3, 2021 7:22pm
- Bluegrass
  
  The mental health card is now part of the zeitgeist and has been debased.
  
  It now represents the difference between taking personal responsibility in dealing with the usual vicissitudes, imperfections and frailties which are part and parcel of conducting our lives in that short and brutal interval between birth and death – and the increasing tendency of seeking to avoid such personal responsibility under the guise of some medical/psychological get-out-of-jail card.
  
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  August 3, 2021 2:50pm
MrTips

Jacinda has the sniffles a week after getting her second Pfizer jab. Apparently, Neve has the sniffles too.

Now Robbo is in charge.
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August 3, 2021 10:57am
- rangitoto
  
  A super spreader.
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  I wonder whether she had a nozzle inserted halfway into her brain as she, St Ash and the passive aggressive lady voice has suggested we all get when we get the lurgy.
  
  All animals are equal……
  
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  August 3, 2021 11:41am
- lifesgood
  
  Did she greet the UN worker with hugs and kisses on arrival?
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:00pm
70andstilllearning

Very responsible, of course, to avoid sharing your bugs.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-home-sick-with-daughter-neves-seasonal-sniffle/

But timing appears quite fortuitous for avoidance of the first question time for some weeks. On the bright side, tests might show the sniffle is just a slight reaction to some nonseasonal polling news.
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August 3, 2021 10:58am
- Isobar
  
  Lol, no one actually watches question time asides from excited beltway observers and journos. Whether she is there or not wont really make any dent with the public at large.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:24pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    True – but good opportunity for Oppositions to give her stick.
    
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    August 3, 2021 8:01pm
- Inandout
  
  70, attending that shindig on Sunday just might have attached some bug to herself. I must ask, was that tarpaulin sterilised beforehand?
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

First day back for Parliament and Wonder Woman has reported sick.
Claims she caught a cold from Neve.
Does anyone really believe that?
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August 3, 2021 11:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Couldn’t she still come to Parliament, but wear a mask?
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes, alternatively she could make up the time on Thursday.
    
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    August 3, 2021 12:20pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Typical of Taxinda – blaming someone else for her poor performance.
      
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      August 3, 2021 12:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:32pm
barnacle bill

Did you get a cold when you had young children Captain ?

It is a very common occurrence when children are young until they have built up their immune systems.
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August 3, 2021 11:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some excellent words of wisdom from Eric Clapton. After 18 min it gets real interesting, he even says his kids have been brainwashed.
24 minutes but important.
https://rumble.com/viphfx-eric-clapton-two-shots-big-regrets-0614202.html?
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August 3, 2021 11:33am
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Good comments from the old muso.
  Thanks.
  
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  August 3, 2021 12:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A 3rd booster could kill him. Do not let Govts force you
    
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    August 3, 2021 1:30pm
I remember when

So the Government is starting to run scared on possibility of inflating mortgage interest rates.
“The government has given the RBNZ approval for debt-to-income ratios or interest rate floors, to ensure borrowers can afford to service mortgages.
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August 3, 2021 11:47am
- [email protected]
  
  A bit late isn’t it? How many people and investors have over-extended themselves? The banks are happy to allow them to do so and if things go down the gurgler it will be the savers that lose out.
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:39pm
lazza

Hey Slim Dave/DNF.

Any progress on that GD topic index idea??

Does not “fly” perhaps?

I still get lost trying to track replies.

LL
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August 3, 2021 11:53am
oldfella

Coming soon to a country near you!
“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” (James Madison)
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August 3, 2021 11:54am
Maggie Pie

I’ve been giving last nights 87+kg Women’s a lot of thought.

In my opinion….Gav threw it.
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August 3, 2021 12:45pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah he just ‘cocked’ it up
  
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  August 3, 2021 1:46pm
- cmm
  
  Was the goal to just compete in the Olympics (a huge badge in itself) and get all the attention?
  
  Perhaps winning would have brought a lot of negative attention which would not have not wanted.
  
  I think throwing it gives the most possible amount of gain for the least amount of pain.
  
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  August 3, 2021 2:26pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    My thoughts exactly
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:47pm
Nickc2

I’m well and truly had it with this Te Reo stuff. I’ve just come home from getting my first Covid-19 injection and honestly, the number of Te Reo signs around the place was phenomenal. Where I live, the Maori population is rather small and I’m guessing there are not many of them who understand these signs either.
What did amuse me was a handed-out leaflet outlining signs and symptoms to watch for post-injection and how to handle them. This was probably the most important document in the facility and not a word of Te Reo. Perhaps it’s a requirement that everyone understands it?
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August 3, 2021 12:56pm
graham

Aren’t we lucky to live in a country like New Zealand, where we are so wealthy that the Government can announce a $785 million dollar bridge dedicated to cyclists and pedestrians …

… and, two months later, start thinking, “You know what, why don’t we just go the whole hog and bring forward that $10 billion second crossing? After all, it’s not like the country is in financial difficulties or anything.”

Yes-sir-ree – sure is lucky we’re SO-O-OO wealthy that the Government can just casually announce a $785 million dollar project, then just as casually say two months later, nah we’re bored with that idea, we wanna build a bigger bridge”. If we weren’t so fabulously rich, you might almost get the idea that this Government doesn’t really have a clue about what it’s doing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grant-robertson-wants-to-speed-up-work-on-next-auckland-harbour-crossing-as-government-considers-scrapping-cycle-bridge/ANVSK25QIRMQGXOOEHZSW3BDZM/
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August 3, 2021 1:35pm
Joely Doe

Why do I get the feeling that this guy is going to be in trouble?

Science is just science

Yep, it’s Stuffed, but I swam through the muck there so you don’t have to…
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August 3, 2021 2:14pm
MrTips

The Boss raised it earlier in GD but posters here really need to read the NZR shareholder proposal to turn Marsden Refinery into an Import Only Facility.

The NZR investor presentation comes down in support of the conversion, but offers no comment on their own commissioned Hale and Twomey report on the potential impact of conversion to an IOF.

The Executive Summary of said report states:

The change of the Marsden Point facility to a fuels terminal would have a significant impact of New Zealand’s fuel security including:
◼ A reduction in physical inventories (expected to be 25-30%) that ultimately is likely to impact New Zealand’s supply security;
◼ An increased cost of compliance to meet the IEA membership requirement to hold stocks covering at least 90 days of New Zealand’s daily net import requirement;
◼ The loss of the coastal tanker operation and the expertise associated with that (albeit import tankers would increase so there would still be plenty of ships on the coast);
◼ No ability in New Zealand to correct product that is significantly off-specification which needs to be taken into account with stock level decisions;
◼ Possible issues with jet import availability if it all needs to meet a lower sulphur specification for transport via RAP;
◼ No local supply of sulphur for fertiliser; replacement supply needed for CO2;
◼ Loss of technical processing expertise; and
◼ Loss of ability to process New Zealand crude in a major supply emergency (global meltdown or pandemic where New Zealand might be isolated for a time).

Only under this IDIOT govt, which banned new Oil and Gas exploration, would Big Oil (BP, Z and Mobil) be allowed to call the shots on this to the detriment of our primary and other industries. And only this IDIOT govt would let such a thing progress in the MIDDLE of one of the very risks the report identifies!

NZers are blissfully unaware that this has the potential to raise prices on EVERYTHING and send us back to the stone age. And voting closes tomorrow – its likely a done deal seeing as BP/Z/Mobil own 42% of the NZR stock.
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August 3, 2021 2:16pm
- [email protected]
  
  If this actually happens then EV sales and solar panal sales will skyrocket.
  
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  August 3, 2021 7:44pm
Jack5

Is it true that the Government is highly active in the bubble-warped housing market, buying properties left and right and at top prices?

Someone house hunting in Christchurch tells me Government buyers are coming in at the top and taking houses.

If it is fuelling the bubble this way, it has to be a contender for the the most fuck-witted government in world history.

It’s up there with little Paraguay, which went to war against Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, losing up to 70 per cent of its population and a land area about half the size of New Zealand.
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August 3, 2021 2:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile the children of Tane the Tree God at the Reserve Bank are leaping into action.
  
  The central bank will start consultations with retail banks later this month on tightening mortgage lending.
  
  Changes that may be in place by October include tougher loan to value ratios and tougher debt to income ratios.
  
  The central bank moves about as fast as a Great Totara grows.
  
  Beckford says earlier restrictions have been a failure.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018806614
  
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  August 3, 2021 2:52pm
- [email protected]
  
  I’m not really into conspiracy theories but could it be that unconsciously the people that run this country and are responsible for the government house purchasing decisions also have a vested interest in house prices rising?
  
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  August 3, 2021 5:34pm
I remember when

Interesting figures from worldometer which may be worth pursuing.
Australia: Cases – 34,836. Deaths – 925.
Fiji: Cases – 31,513. Deaths – 254.
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August 3, 2021 2:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  Probably because the very old are already dead in Fiji.
  
  “in 2018 life expectancy in Fiji is: Male 67.1, female 73.1”
  
  “in 2018 life expectancy in Australia is: Male 81.0, female 84.8”
  
  “2018 life expectancy in New Zealand is: Male 80.5, female 84.0”
  
  Average age of death from Covid, male age 81, female age 85.
  
  See the difference. Average death from covid is older than the average life expectancy …. Who’s a thought 😉
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So as a NEW ZEALANDER I can expect to die at 80.5 but I still might vote until 82, and more ….?
    Yes it is coming, 13 years away for me
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:16pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Fiji are further up the vaccination priority queue. Especially compared with Oz was when they had most of their deaths
  
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  August 3, 2021 5:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What are you trying to tell us? Less vials and shitloads of needles?
    Someone giving away vaccines when NZ falls short. For votes?????
    NEVER!
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:48pm
Fletch

I see that most of the media organisations on Facebook have limited their comments underneath their stories on Laurel Hubbard. Afraid of what people will say? So much for free speech.
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August 3, 2021 2:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is Gavin with a mental hangup. Laurel is fiction.
  He gave up, not even being able to beat females – such a case.
  Maggie said this first
  
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  August 3, 2021 5:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub trying to make an issue out of a cultural misunderstanding:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/judith-collins-dismisses-nasty-interpretation-of-comment-about-people-wanting-to-bottle-police-minister-poto-williams.html

Judith Collins refers to putting a genie in a bottle… an idiom many folks recognise:
Christina Aguilera – Genie In A Bottle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIDWgqDBNXA

But the Minister of Police and her daughter thought that Judith Collins wanted Ms Poto to be attacked with a bottle…bottled
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August 3, 2021 3:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  Shows their attitude doesn’t it. Neither of them would have a clue.
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Poto Williams cannot see how clueless she is.
  
  Ms Collins as a Solicitor, former VP of the NZ Law Society, Former Minister of Justice, Former Minister of Police, Former Minister of Corrections would never be silly enough to state that someone should be attacked.
  
  The fact that Ms Williams doesn’t realise that the word bottled means to place in a bottle is astonishing.
  Her attempt to capitalise on her misunderstanding is pathetic, as is the beat-up by our MSM.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/448364/collins-defends-bottle-comments-about-police-minister-poto-williams
  
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  August 3, 2021 6:01pm
  - herb1
    
    I suspect she knows but will have had extensive PR advice on how to twist it favourably.
    
    Edit. Just read the Newshub article and Williams says “My daughter feels unsafe for me”
    Not sure if she has much of a grasp of the English language
    
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    August 3, 2021 7:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Perfect for a labour minister.
      
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      August 3, 2021 8:13pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We met her on her rounds prior to the election. A typical useless Labour wannabe. Impound their pay cheques.
    
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    August 3, 2021 10:17pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I enjoy a beer or three with some gentlemen; all dinkum hard workers, but none of them Mensa material. They are all astounded that Poto Williams could possibly be so dumb over this matter.
  I pointed out to them that she is the brains of our governing party’s cabinet.
  “Fark me” was the predictable response.
  
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  August 3, 2021 7:57pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Poto Williams, another brain-dead Politician struggling for recognition.
    
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    August 4, 2021 5:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Labour bullies impute their ideas and actions to others.
  
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  August 3, 2021 10:19pm
gorse

If you listened to NewstalkZB Christchurch, this afternoon, they were doing their very best to have Judith replaced. Very disappointing.
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August 3, 2021 3:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“The Standard” seems to have created a Women’s Space where only cis-females are allowed to comment.

https://thestandard.org.nz/womens-space/

I had a brief look at it, but didn’t find anything to hold my interest..
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August 3, 2021 3:45pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Hilarious. They’re already tearing themselves apart
  
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  August 3, 2021 4:21pm
  - Adroit
    
    That’s the wrong attitude – this is an opportunity to bridge gaps with the Lefties that are being forced out by their own crowd. There are a lot of old school lefties deeply troubled by the ID-pol, authoritarian turn of the nu-left. Now is the time to extend olive branches to work together to rid the cancer that is ID-pol.
    
    As evidence – how often are Chris Trotter and Bomber starting to make sense (on a few things). More than zero as previously!
    
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    August 3, 2021 5:19pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Perhaps if Trotter and Bradbury started by:
      
      (a) recognising that they are at least in part responsible for where we are
      and
      (b) bloody well apologised for being at least in part responsible for where we are
      
      Listen, if they could manufacture the legislation so that it wouldn’t come back and bite them you’d find their tune changing pdq
      
      In this specific area, feminists from the 80s and perhaps earlier are, in the main, totally responsible for the gender-identity trans-women-are-women BS. Their identity politicking then has led to this point now
      
      Don’t ever give ’em a pass on it
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
      
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      August 3, 2021 5:53pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Ah, The Standard. Haven’t visited there for such a long time, and now I remember why. I see their standards are still at the same low level. Either that or they really hate cyclists – the headline:
  
  “Youtube punishes Murdoch’s Sky News for pedalling Covid misinformation”
  
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  August 3, 2021 5:23pm
Jack5

Ammunition supplies running low in America as people buy guns.

Defunding the police threats and BLM mobs must have American citizens scared for their lives.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/31/ammunition-shelves-bare-as-us-gun-sales-continue-t/
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August 3, 2021 5:42pm
Nickc2

Perhaps Judith should have suggested the Police Minister visit a Taxidermist where she could be turned into a statue that best resembles her position as a minister. A STUFFED DUMMY.
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August 3, 2021 7:02pm
Cinematic

I haven’t been able to keep up with the covid apocalypse in England post Freedom Day. Anyone heard anything?
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August 3, 2021 7:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The number being infected is dropping…
  but more folks are being admitted to hospital with Covid symptoms.
  https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
  
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  August 3, 2021 7:37pm
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… I wonder what the flu hospital admissions are in the UK?
    
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    August 3, 2021 7:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Infections have declined for last 11 days. Deaths lower that an even moderate flu season. BoJo is majorly pissed that UK youths appear to be snubbing the vax, so he’s called vax passports for nightclubs. The fear machine stays at full noise resulting in terrified people staying home in droves. The covid app ‘pingdemic’ has so many people being told self-isolate that many supply chains are breaking down.
  
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  August 3, 2021 9:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Try here for regular news: https://dailysceptic.org/
  
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