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Warren

Nothing to be scared of : Co Government and the Treaty Partnership Project- all you need to know and they put the story in the pay to view categorie so many people won’t get the chance to read it.
Since when in any Country around the world has 17.1% of the population been given co- Governance to run their Country in partnership against the majority.
Jacinda Ardern and Willie Jackson are in fantasy land if they think hard working New Zealander’s will just roll over and except this.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/co-governance-and-the-treaty-partnership-project-all-you-need-to-know/WXNFS75YEA77KYMEICHMR5DEDU/
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February 23, 2022 8:00am
- Frank the tank
  
  Audrey “not so young” Young has had her instructions from high above. Her last 2 ‘stories’ have been pro-government hitjobs.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:13am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Frank, only her last 2 stories??!!??
    
    Are you expecting positive NZH stories on the National Party from Simon Wilson and tweets in support of Christopher Luxon from Craig Renney?
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:21am
    - Jack5
      
      Evidence of Wily-Willie Jackson’s prominent role in race separatism is shown in the Herald article commented on above.
      
      Audrey Young in the Herald:
      
      Jackson himself had a recent victory in securing a Cabinet commitment to an ongoing share of 20 per cent of national commercial broadcast spectrum allocations, at no cost.
      Plus he secured $75 million in spending money for a yet-to-be established Maori Spectrum Entity, and a role for Maori in spectrum policy-making.
      
      Giving Maori a separate stake in the radio spectrum as a consequence of the Treaty of Waitangi is ludicrous. (“Separate,” because Maori citizens also have ownership stakes along with other NZ citizens.)
      
      In technology, pre-treaty Maori in these ultra-isolated islands were using stone tools, had no written language, and had forgotten ocean navigation techniques. Meanwhile, while by 1840 in the Western World scientists were making discoveries that would later enable radio: Andrew-Marie Ampere on magnetic fields, Michael Faraday on induction, Joseph Henry on electronics relay technology.
      
      The Maori stake in the national wireless-wave spectrum is a racist scam. Politicians of the Centre-Right who went along with it should be ashamed. It was the precursor to Maori claims for taking ownership of the country’s water.
      
      Young notes that the “co-governance” concept was embedded in policy by the last National Government.
      
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      February 23, 2022 10:41am
      - Don Beckett
        
        In addition, had not discovered the wheel, had not ‘invented’ the bow & arrow as a hunting tool, and as a weapon of war- something that ancient civilisations like Egypt and China & others had developed 3 -5000 BC.
        They were certainly a stone-age culture before the arrival of Europeans.
        
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        February 23, 2022 10:54am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I believe there was a Maori bow discovered in northland – they had some ceremonial use in Polynesia (Tonga I think?), but weren’t in wide use. Neither were slings I think. All quite surprising given their devastating utility in warfare, but innovation and development takes time.
        
        More amazing was Tasmanians losing use of fire.
        
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        February 23, 2022 12:17pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        You could always bugger off back to whatever Victorian slum your ancestors crawled out of to come here and swindle Maori of their lands and resources and basically criminalize any protests they could make within your racist justice system.
        
        You want to be stuck in Old Zealand and view Maori though the same lense, go ahead.
        
        We’ve evolved and are now assimilating you. Resistance is futile!
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        BWAV you appear to be living on a confected reality that neither you nor anyone alive today experienced. It’s 2022 old chap. The modern world. You know you’re soaking in it?
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:24pm
      - Yabster
        
        BLACK- more racist dribble from you- go back to where you came from? really lol- does that apply to your cuzzie bros as well? Swindle lol beads and muskets mate….. assimilating is that the 1/64th of maori in you speaking lol
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:41pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        BWAV, you seem to be of Pacifica heritage I gather, but identify with Maori, so – only if you bugger off back to a little atoll, and discard any wool, leather, steel, copper, glass or any post-contact material, and commit to never use any technology which is foreign or modern in origin. Also make sure never to transmit any idea using the written word.
        Leave here bare arsed, with no muesli bars, trail mix or bottled water for the journey.
        And no motor boats or planes for you either.
        Bear in mind, the Maori never signed a Treaty with Pacifica people, so they are only here on the back of the relationship with the Crown.
        So how about you FO too?
        
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        February 23, 2022 3:22pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Young notes that the “co-governance” concept was embedded in policy by the last National Government.
        
        Megan Woods made exactly the same claim this morning on Mike Hosking’s show – clearly a deflection point being passed from the Government to their embedded journalists.
        
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        February 23, 2022 3:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        BWAV at 1.36: …your racist justice system…
        
        FFS let it go, Blackie.
        
        You may well be right, and New Zealanders will end up as a mainly Mestizo-mix population, and that will be okay.
        
        But I doubt they’ll have a better justice system.
        
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        February 23, 2022 4:30pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        B wa V.
        You seem to think that what I said was an insult to Maori – it definitely was not. It was simply stating an objective fact – even Maori folklore & verbal history will tell you the same thing.
        That, of course, is not to say that Maori are like that today – in fact, Maori learnt very quickly from the friendly English & European explorers & whalers/sealers, and rapidly adapted to the new things. No-one said that Maori were ‘stupid’ or low intelligence – in fact they were recognised as being intelligent and adaptive.
        Don’t interpret what people say as being derogatory – you might find that the truth is stranger than fiction.
        
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        February 23, 2022 5:28pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    And another boring, unfunny cartoon on $tuff today.
    The “Save Our Jacinda” campaign well under way.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:23am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You can’t save a horse with a busted leg
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:24am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      May be another truck load of tax payer money was delivered to Stuffed and Commie Herald by Cindy.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is being organised now. Will happen beginning of 2023
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:59pm
    - Red Red Whine
      
      And another feelz good story about Neeve copying our dear leader today in Newshub. You know things are grim for the PM when a cute Neeve story appears along with the cute pic.
      
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      February 23, 2022 5:01pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        So much for “hands off the children”.
        
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        February 23, 2022 6:41pm
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    When do we understand that all journos are paid by the government and therefore writing whatever is in front of them by this corrupted government.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Are we allowed to publish stuff like this on KB now? Anything I post along these lines disappears to ether.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’ve been having a long sulk because several of my pretty innocuous remarks have disappeared.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m pleased to hear it. I was thinking the mods, had it in for me alone.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nah, they disappear some of my stuff now and again.
        Not recently, so I must have been a good boy
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I suspect that senior stazi have put out the word to blog and media owners that encouraging comments from the great unwashed on this sacred (mad) cow topic will be dealt with severely.
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:31pm
  - Yabster
    
    stuff like what anti co governance sentiment? Why would you not be able to comment on that?
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:52am
    - Nickc2
      
      Ask the Mods.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:04am
      - Yabster
        
        well if you think it shouldn’t be moderating go to DPF.
        
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        February 23, 2022 11:22am
- RockyJ
  
  I saw that headline but as I refused to pay the subscription when the Herald accepted part of the government’s $55million bribe I can’t read it. I would appreciate a summary. Thanks for posting this.
  Not only is cogovernance a direct attack on democracy the experience in Te Urewera shows it is a governance disaster. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/127779621/how-huts-and-bridges-in-te-urewera-fell-into-a-state-of-disrepair?fbclid=IwAR2-pfmhAUFS_D3vZf6Sl0Gvn6cxSbstnU6AbEsc3n6VQb9q67UKPYUlV9g
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:24am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Just for the record, Stuffed should have their live camera taken down, it’s following people around in a very suspicious and creepy manner. We need a social media feed so the protestors can control the feed a bit better.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I was talking to a guy on our travels through East Cape. He says that the tracks and huts are a disaster and that this was the plan all along to keep visitors and trampers away. It was very naive for the government to believe otherwise.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:03am
    - pdm
      
      BY the Urewera area and around Lake Waikaremoana are apparently are no go areas for safety reasons since Tama Iti and his mob took them over (had them gifted to them).
      
      Guess who pays to bring them up to speed again?
      
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      February 23, 2022 1:20pm
      - Paulus
        
        Once brought up to speed at taxpayers costs how long will it be befire they are back to where Iti and his mob want them to keep everybody out except their mobs ?
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:27pm
- The Feed
  
  They will, tho’
  
  Just look how many of them gave up their rights over a fear of the flu?
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:25am
- Simon
  
  “Jacinda Ardern and Willie Jackson are in fantasy land if they think hard working New Zealander’s will just roll over and except this.”
  
  lol – two shots for summer jaxx rate of 95%, anything is possible.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m pretty sure most NZers have no idea how much money has just been given to a few Maori Groups to manage Omicron..
    The four funding pathways that make up the $140 million are:
    
    Almost $40 million to Māori and Pacific health providers to enable them to scale up their services.
    $40.6 million to Whānau Ora Commissioning Agencies to enable wraparound and holistic support for whānau to ensure they have a plan for Omicron, can get tested and know how to access Care in the Community support if needed.
    $40.05 million to build on the Māori Communities COVID-19 Fund(MCCF), administered by Te Puni Kōkiri with Te Arawhiti, to enable communities (particularly iwi) to mobilise their own approaches and build resilience.
    Plus $1.75 million for the Karawhiua Māori vaccination campaign informing Māori communities about COVID-19, launched by Te Puni Kōkiri, and supported by the Ministry of Health and the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
    
    $18 million funding for Pacific Aotearoa Community OutreachInitiative(PACO), led by the Ministry for Pacific Peoples, to support Pacific communities to prepare, respond and recover from the social and health impacts from Omicron.
    
    https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/02/22/baa-humbug-demand-for-sheep-milk-is-booming-but-taxpayers-are-being-milked-to-help-a-maori-collective-invest-in-the-industry/
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:03am
    - I remember when
      
      Do any of the facts mentioned in the four funding pathways suggest a readiness for co-governance.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:28am
    - Yabster
      
      complete bs isn’t it- the cost of the special peolpe…
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:55am
    - Jim
      
      All that public money and then we see 28% of the protesters identified as Maori (largest proportional representation per NZ demographic). I bet Robbo concludes he should have doubled the financial support.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:57am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      No wonder Robber(tson) is planning a job tax so that he can steal more of your money to give it to Maori.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:33am
    - Nickc2
      
      I heard all this debated with Megan Woods this morning on the Hosking show and she didn’t have a bloody clue where all the money went except to repeat time and time again how disadvantaged Maori and Pacifica peoples were.
      IMO, she was so overtly buying Maori and Pacifica votes it was unbelievable.
      She was mocked by Mark Mitchell but that doesn’t put the money back in the Treasury.
      This mob has no shame whatsoever when it comes to wasting Taxpayer’s money.
      
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      February 23, 2022 12:36pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Maori and Pasifika people will vote only Labour whether they get any money or not. So Labour may as well save money and give it to some ethnic group to buy their votes. I tell you, this gummit won’t be defeated until 2035.
        
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        February 23, 2022 6:39pm
    - Ruawai
      
      All they need is a smart phone and they can look up where all testing facilities etc are and what to do if they get Omicron.
      
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      February 23, 2022 1:48pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    It will be dumbed down to the lowest denominator and the sheeple of New Zimbabwe will swallow it whole. If the last month is anything to go by the covid cult is still alive and well with 75% of the population.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:08am
- RockyJ
  
  “Nothing to be scared of”. Yeah right.
  That is like the pilot of an aircraft coming onto the intercom and saying “there is no cause for alarm”.
  You can always tell you are going to be told what to think, and that there is a whole lot they are not telling you, when a Herald headline says “all you need to know”
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The very fact Jackson is saying it suggests there is something to be worried about
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, to have articles saying go-governance is nothing to be scared of, then a pic of the racist Jackson emblazoned must be done sort of joke, mind you, that’s how this lot toll, put out an article to soften up the sheep, then retract as anger ensues.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:23am
- potato
  
  Approved comments read out on RNZ are telling us that a tiny minority of protesters should not hold the country to ransom.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:32am
  - Ehlana
    
    Isn’t a protest usually a minority who inconvenience the majority in order to make some point? Whether it’s vegans harassing supermarket shoppers, whoever it was who blocked motorway onramps a while back, the occupiers of state houses who disappeared on a change of government or the “99%” who took over Aotea Square for some time.
    
    Unfortunately many protestors today believe it is their right, not just to peaceably assemble and express their opinions, but to actively prevent other people from going about their own lawful business. They also believe themselves justified in breaking any laws they find inconvenient along the way, sometimes deliberately forcing police to act so they can resist arrest to create the pictures of “oppression” they want for tv. Another common tactic is baiting other people to provoke an outburst, also good for social media.
    
    Since all these things were okay when National was in government, I can’t see why Labour has a problem with them now.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Labour has a problem with them now because they need the scum Rent a Mob to vote for them next year.
      Labour will stoop very low for a vote
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:19pm
  - judith8409121
    
    RNZ should stop talking about themselves in this way – we already know they represent a tiny minority holding the country to ransom – taking money from the government to propagandise a ridiculous opinions. Time RNZ pack up and go home – that’s the message of the day isn’t RNZ?
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:46am
- herb1
  
  Nothing to fear? Really.
  This Government have told as us ,as have Maori for the last 2 years, that they’re incapable of fi ding their way to a vaccine station , in spite of $310 m to aid their navigation.
  We see daily the deer in the spotlight interviews with the. Alright elite politicians like Sepuloni , Williams and Davis.
  I think we have a lot to fear but so do Maori if they thi k the majority of New Zealanders will sit back and allow racism to be embedded in our democracy
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:35am
- SmokerGuy
  
  I’m afraid people will just accept it. 40% of people still support these morons, by the time the country actually wakes up to the implications of their approach it’ll be dire.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    SmokerGuy yes it’s dire. I’m seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and unfortunately it’s an oncoming freight train about to go off the rails big time. Even if the election isn’t screwed over by dirty tricks and Nats/Act do form a govt, the mountains of Labour sht they will have to clean up will be daunting.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:35pm
- 7kiwi11
  
  The NZH took the comments feature away from this article pretty quickly. I wonder why?
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:24am
- oldfella
  
  Warren, I’m happy with the ongoing partnership between Maori and the Crown, as long as Maori remain junior partners, befitting their 17% of NZ’s population.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    What fucking Partnership? Show me anywhere in the ToW where the word ‘Partnership’ appears (Maori or English versions).
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      There is none, and the word Aoteraroa does not get mentioned either
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:18am
  - oldfella
    
    I left off the /s.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:46am
  - bronny1
    
    They already get a share as part of the general population. The separate extra bit is double dipping!
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:18pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Apatheid era south africa and historically most countries that were conquered went through something similar for a few generations. But (as far as I am aware) noone has ever voluntarily handed over power to another group like this before. Unbelievably dumb to hand off substantial control to a political group that has never demonstrated any great competence for running a modern technological economy, and who derivs the majority of their income from handouts. Really just installing a woke aristocracy
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:24pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Does anything display media arrogance as much as the claim “all you need to know” on such a subject?
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:58pm
Yvette

If RATs were properly ordered, distributed and used, mandates would not be needed
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February 23, 2022 8:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  RATs are pointless theatre in the face of omicron. We’re all going to get it in next 2 months. Accept it and move on with your life, lets stop wasting time and effort on things that aren’t going to make any useful difference.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:18am
  - Taieri
    
    We’re all going to get it in next 2 months.
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    Why? No country in the world can claim 100% infection rate after 2 years, let alone after 2 months.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:56pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That simply Arderns bullshittery, the vax still has a 40% success rate, so 40% won’t get it for a start
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:20am
- Ehlana
  
  You mean if we left it to the private sector to organise?
  
  Yeah, nah, not the Labour way.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:37am
- Frank the tank
  
  bahahahaha
  
  Irrespective of RATs mandates aren’t required. I’m yet to hear any rational, scientific and health based argument for the effectiveness of mandates curbing Wokebola.
  
  Instead we get the dribble – now is not the time to reduce restrictions.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:43am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    But, you are wrong because…… Science. Haha got you, you can’t defeat the strength of my argument.
    
    (this is literally their argument at this point on so many things)
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yet they reduced the self-isolation time from 10 days to 7 if you;re a close contact. “Now’s not the time….”?
    
    Although I support the protestors 100% I almost wonder if they should politely say thank you for acknowledging our points, we’ll leave it to you now. Saving face is the number 1 priority for the PM who has evidently had no man-date for quite some time, so tenaciously is she clinging to the idea.
    
    If they give her some time and space, she may yet prove her “earlier than sone people think it will be” quip – but if they stay there and continue to be in her face, her interminable sulks and vanity will prevent her from giving in. Just a thought.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:53am
    - Ehlana
      
      In our so-progressive society, Loddenthinks, surely man-dates can be purchased? Or are they curtailed by Covid?
      
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      February 23, 2022 10:19am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I don’t think the Prime Minister has had one for quite. some. time.
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:12pm
  - bronny1
    
    If you think it’s about science and health answer me this.
    
    Today I was officially mandated out of a contract role for a major NZ SOE. I have worked for them off and on (project/skills based) over the past 10 years. I work from home and have not been near their facilities in several years nor did my contract provide for me too (travel costs etc). In dismissing me they noted this.
    
    The gummint has clearly given orders and that’s it. It cannot be about health. Holiday time.
    
    Ps if they think that will make me get the jab they really are lunatics!
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:24pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Enjoy the time off. The mandate will be over before you know it, & it sounds like they’ll be back for you. After a few months, you’ll wish you’d made better use of the impromptu holiday ?
      
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      February 23, 2022 6:47pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  What did National gummit led by John Key and Bill English do about Covid? Nine long years of neglect is being fixed by Labour – Cindy.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:34am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    They created a pandemic action plan in 2017. This Government ignored it and chose authoritarianism instead.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup, she is that thick
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think I may have had Covid, Delta, Omicron – being older (69) but fit and still working.
  But there is no test to find out if I have natural antibodies – so I have to take the vaccines and now the booster to enter certain places.
  I rang to find out if the booster extended my Vax pass – nope. So what is going to happen after the end of May expiry?
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:27pm
Benedict Yu

There are bigger things than COVID, even if Jacinda would like to talk about nothing else.

Joe Biden is getting nervous about rising gasoline prices with the mid term elections approaching.

“I grew up in a family where the price at the pump was felt in the kitchen,” he said. “I’m going to work like the devil to bring the price of gasoline down.”

https://www.eenews.net/articles/biden-im-going-to-work-like-the-devil-to-cut-energy-prices/

One has to wonder what he is going to do. Biden devoted the first 12 months of his presidency to demonising petroleum exploration and production. Because climate change. Of course, we have our own version of Biden in New Zealand, albeit younger and more arm wavey.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/09/tc-energy-terminates-keystone-xl-pipeline-project.html

This statement caught my eye, as being odd and as it turns out, I was not alone, as I found my Googleing the quote.

““I grew up in a family where the price at the pump was felt in the kitchen” ”

The inference is that Biden’s family had to scrimp on food when gas prices increased.

Biden was born in 1942. During his childhood, gasoline prices were stable and very low. Biden was a teenager in the 1950s, when the USA boomed on the back of cheap energy. So as this journalist points out he is plain lying about his childhood experience of high energy prices causing his family to reduce spending on food.

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2022/02/22/president_biden_just_told_a_monster_whopper_that_both_sides_missed_817680.html

It is dishonest for politicians to vilify petroleum exploration and then wail about high energy prices. Those high energy prices are the result of their policies.

This effect will play out in New Zealand. In April James Shaw will release details of New Zealand’s first Emissions Reductions Plan, which will set out how New Zealand will meet its first emissions budget (2022-2025). Reducing New Zealand emissions will require high, very high, petrol prices. It is as simple as that. Even if they do not say so in public, James Shaw and Jacinda will be rejoicing at high, and rising petrol prices.

If it were not for the COVID diversion, we would probably be seeing more debate about the forthcoming Emissions Reduction Plan. It could be one of the most momentous policy announcements for decades, yet it receiving zero attention in the media.

(Am in Gisborne today. Fishing trip cancelled due to incoming southerly. ☹️ Heading to some thermal pools instead. ?)
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- westernScientest
  
  na they will just slaughter all the cattle, maybe give some of the special people tax payer funded EVs and say they fixed the problem.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You underestimate the zealotry of James Shaw. I expect to see a ban on petroleum powered cars by the late 2020s and a progressive ban on registering such cars during the 2030s.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:03am
    - westernScientest
      
      Your probably right
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:35am
- Frank the tank
  
  The internal polling of the democrats going into the mid terms must be dire. For Pelosi to abandon BLM/defund the police and now the old coot to ditch the new green deal those polls must be predicting a wipeout
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Nothing like the prospect of losing your place at the trough to bring a rapid change in one’s alleged “principles” .
    
    Politicians , ya gotta luv ’em. ( and their enabling media Pardy).
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He thing is the squad vote against anything to get their way, Biden is now a lame duck because of the small majority
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:19am
    - Batman
      
      If he’s a lame duck, how did democrats pass infrastructure through the house without their votes and no Republican votes?
      
      They number six votes. The majority is 11 votes.
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squad_(United_States_Congress)
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:52am
      - Mike
        
        Don’t spoil the nonsense with facts.
        
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        February 23, 2022 12:24pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        And, he quotes Wikipedia. Say no more. Say no more.
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Batman he’s a lame duck because he’s clearly got cognitive issues and is just going along for the (woke insanity) ride.
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:40pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You do realise Pelli has just stopped the two topics mentioned above, from now on the squad will vote with their feet
        
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        February 24, 2022 12:23am
- nathie
  
  On a related tangent, will the time come to declare “climate change policies” as a threat to “national security”?
  
  If we look at the situation in Europe, particularly the Ukraine, the EU are impotent when it comes to standing up to Russia because of their over reliance on Russian gas energy supplies. Germany for example, is closing down its own independent energy supply systems (eg nuclear) in favor of Russian gas – the reason why? Because of “climate change policies”.
  
  If we look at NZ, we see a Labour government doing the same with their policies to close down our own energy supplies, resulting in the need to import energy (like coal to power EV’s etc).
  
  There is an article in the NZH (paywalled) about fuel supply disruption and shortages due to the closure of Marsden Point. Although Marsden Point is privately operated, clearly Labour don’t want to become involved (in saving the refinery) because it would be against their “climate change policies”.
  
  Snippets from the NZH: “A campaign to save around 100 crew jobs on two soon-to-be dropped New Zealand-flagged coastal oil tankers claims that after the big oil companies start importing finished fuel this year using dozens of foreign tankers there could be congestion and unloading delays at ports – similar to that afflicting container shipping.”
  
  “The campaign claims the South Island in particular will be exposed to risk of fuel shortages and could run dry at times. It also has concerns about fuel quality and limited fuel storage capacity at smaller ports. Maritime Union secretary Craig Harrison questions the security of fuel supply for emergency generators, for example in hospitals.”
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    The light’s ‘ll have to go out and bowser prices thro’ the roof before the Great Unthinkers come back to reality around “climate emergency” . The Media Pardy and so called mainstream pollies of all stripes are so wedded to the lie , like Covid ,the sheeple , have bought it bigly , till it hurts them in the pocket or till they can’t heat their houses or drive their cars .
    
    ‘You’ve stolen my dreams” , frowny angry look.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:48am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Nope. They’ll just blame Big Oil for being greedy polluters etc.
      
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      February 23, 2022 5:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Biden has created the petrol prices himself, he did his captains call as Ardern did here, so they went from self sufficient for the first time ever on oil products, to now needing opec to stoke supply which they refuse to do
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:28am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It’s ironic that people thought that Trump was under Putin’s thumb whilst pushing for energy independence which hurt Russia a lot and their “will stand up to Russia Biden” immediately gave all the power back to Russia by nuking the US’s energy independence.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda can’t comprehend that NZ also needs natural gas.
    No more exploring for new sources.
    Destroying a few island archipelago .
    United Nations here I come – New Zealand have not been nice to me ……
    
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    February 23, 2022 4:17pm
- Jim
  
  Ouch that’ll hit owners of all those new expensive (and complex) hybrid cars that can only get about 60km on the battery (when new) and then burn petrol.
  It’s also likely the gov will put significant increases on diesel road user charge for cars and utes in order to save the planet.
  If seems NZ is going back to communist Romanian economics, so I might as well get ahead and upgrade the car to donkey and cart.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Get a young donkey – old ones wear out fast. Get two breeders, then sell the offspring (low mileage)
    The only fuel needed is on old farms – (vegies, grass, whatever) all defunct.
    End of life = throw it down the gully, that is where all shitheaps go
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:41pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Joe Biden is getting nervous about rising gasoline prices with the mid term elections approaching.”
  
  I doubt he gives a sht. He goes where the woketards go as that’s now the Democrat party centre. As you say he is directly responsible for rising gas prices due to his exploration and pipeline closures. Like J he’s completely and utterly full of sht. Nothing they say can be trusted.
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:48pm
mikenmildagain

Today is Defender of the Fatherland Day (formerly Red Army Day). Let’s hope the patriotic commemorations in Russia and Belarus don’t get out of hand.
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February 23, 2022 8:01am
- Simon
  
  The Wehrmacht killed the Red Army by the millions. It only stopped with German supply system failure and general resource economics.
  
  The West held the Soviet Union together during WW2 through supply. Allowing the Communists to pour millions of slaves against the Wehrmacht until they broke.
  
  Red Army Day = Slave Army Day.
  
  Defender of the Fatherland Day is even more strange given the commies killed most of the Red Army’s best leaders during the 1930s
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Yer and that Red Army massacred thousands of Polish prisoners , after they along with the Krauts invaded sais country .
    
    Never forget the Soviets were as duplicitous and as murdering as any other authoritarian fascists .
    
    They also instructed ‘international labour’ to sabotage the British war effort when the Empire stood alone . And to their everlasting shame many trades unions complied .
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:52am
    - Jack5
      
      Lots of brutality on the Eastern Front, on both sides, but heroes, too.
      
      On the Russian side, for example, the women soldiers, such as:
      
      – those in the militia-type anti-aircraft unit who died fighting the first German armoured forces to reach Stalingrad;
      
      – the “night witches” who flew old biplane crop-dusters bombing German troops at night;
      
      – the hundreds of women snipers.
      
      British commentator Mark Welton’s video on the women gunners, who he says, saved Stalingrad:
      
      https://youtu.be/ziH9fleTWQM
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:04am
  - potato
    
    In long run invading the Ukraine will not work , In the short medium term harsh sanctions will crush Russia, they really like Lexus cars and western stuff and Putin won’t live for ever
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:28pm
- edhunter
  
  Strange that I’ve always associated Russia with “Mother Russia” and the Germans with ‘Fatherland’.
  Probably just read a few too many Commando comics as a kid.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:27am
  - Mike
    
    “Gott im Himmel!”, “Achtung, Englander!”, etc, etc
    I loved the war comics and playing ‘war’. Commando comics were the best, althogh Battle Picture Library, etc were much cheaper.
    Oh to be so innocent again of what war really means.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:37pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You’ve served in a war Mike?
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:44pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    You could never read too many Commando comics! The extent of my German vocabulary came from Commando!
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:21pm
Yvette

“Politic should be put aside”: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern accuses National’s Christopher Luxon of dancing ‘dangerously close to sympathy’ for protesters

“It’s driven by COVID and vaccine mandates, yes, but the frustrations shared by many Kiwis are also driven by a Government that seems to be stalling.
“The cost of living is through the roof. The dream of home ownership is turning into a nightmare. Long-term benefit dependency is skyrocketing. Then add to the mix Labour’s approach to COVID, which relies far too heavily on controlling all aspects of everyday life.” – Luxon

“It’s for him to justify his language but in my view Parliament was right when it stands firmly and collectively in denouncing what is happening on our forecourt.” – Ardern

Luxon pushed back on Ardern’s remarks.
“National’s position on the protest has not changed – we have not, do not, and will not endorse the protestors’ illegal and anti-social behaviour,” he told Newshub.
“The actions of the protestors have been intimidating to Wellingtonians and abusive to police. It’s been shocking and it needs to stop.”

The Prime Minister said on Tuesday there were “times and places when politics should be put aside and this is one of them”.

Politics are why the protesters are there, Jacinda

All quotes – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-accuses-national-s-christopher-luxon-of-dancing-dangerously-close-to-sympathy-for-protesters.html
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February 23, 2022 8:01am
- graham
  
  The Prime Minister said on Tuesday there were “times and places when politics should be put aside and this is one of them”.
  
  Oh good. So does that mean that the Prime Minister will “put politics aside” and condemn the actions of the Speaker of the House as being infantile and deliberately provocative, at best; and at worst, bullying?
  
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  Thought not.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    “put politics aside”
    That means she’s lost the plot, if she ever had it.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:05am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Heh, you’re just being cynical & political
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:46am
      - Nickc2
        
        My choice!
        
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        February 23, 2022 12:50pm
    - artemisia
      
      The Prime Minister is wedded to her socialist ideology for sure but she is has a big factor working against her. [Deleted by Mod, personal attack]
      
      So she makes decision on what her advisers advise. They are not really her decisions, though she announces them. Well, reads from the carefully curated and deliberately vague scripts.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:29am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Well, she’s not wedded to anything(one) else
        
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        February 23, 2022 6:54pm
- Paulus
  
  She is getting more desperate assisted by the so called media, who are now turning on Luxon.
  The trends in the Polls must upset her breakfast every day.
  Presumably the so called media have been promised more money as can currently be seen – especially the pathetic Herald and the Stuffed Stuff,
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:19am
  - oldfella
    
    Paulus, look at today’s stuffed political cartoon. Is that supposed to be Luxon?
    Must be. They’re obviously under strict instruction from the 9th floor not to mock Cindy.
    Or else… ($$$)
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:17am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep, Yvette, if it as a Union protest holding any of buses, trains, ports, ferries, miners etc, Ardern would be out there with a placard and a sad face.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:21am
- Ruahine
  
  Why is Luxon explaining himself to Ardern re the people protesting against the mandates.
  What is this so-called illegal behaviour and what is this so-called anti-social behaviour. Is this the same behaviour that is ignored when happening every day on our streets. The behaviour that is ignored by Politicians and Police when it suits them socially and politically. Follow the rule of law. Yeah my law that suits me. That is the mantra from the elites.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:29am
- pdm
  
  It would be good if Luxon and his crew did show some empathy with the genuiine protesters and threw scorn on the rabble rousers who need to booted off the site.
  
  Then perhaps Jacinda might get the message that her always false popularity was heading down the dunny in a big way.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:34am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Skirmishing forays by the police in the early hours of the morning probably don’t help.
    
    Partying the night before the last thing you want is someone banging down your door at 6am in the morning.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:40am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Trying to apologize for the violence now pdm and differentiate between the protestors? Anyone who is still there can be said to be supporting the violence. It was never a protest that was under control, it was allowed to go long enough and the true beast emerged – no brains, no organisation, no single objective.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:54am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      That’s bullshit and you know it. To many of those people their homes and livelihoods are on the line. Why would they give up just because of a small group of unhinged losers?
      
      We shouldn’t allow ourselves to denigrate an entire group of people because of the actions of a minority. It isn’t ok just because you disagree with them. The gun buyback was another example of this. Labour’s bigotry is disgusting and their willingness to deny rights to people that they disagree with is incredibly dangerous.
      
      I know they like murderers etc but they might find something they dislike and come for you next.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        The Govt’s divide and conquer wedge is not working as they intended. IMO, their aim was to divide protestors into groups and in conjunction with their bought and paid for MSM, attack each group in such a manner as to show them up as Rent-a-Crowd, Radicals, White/Brown Racists, Separatists, Religious Fanatics, and Anti Govt Lunatics.
        Being as low in collective IQ as this Govt is, they neglected to consider that these protestors can be all or any of the aforementioned categories and still be vehemently anti-Govt Mandates and that’s what this protest is about FFS.
        
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        February 23, 2022 9:33am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      “Not all Muslims”
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:33am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Brian M I suggest you go there and get up to speed with reality.
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:47pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Bullshit. You lie as much as Ardern, and that’s a lot.
      
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      February 23, 2022 5:32pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  When you look back over the last 2 years, what have we achieved.
  
  The answer has to be fcuk all.
  
  Yes asset prices have gone up, giving us a false impression that we are better off. It makes us feel better. In reality we are in bubble everything and what goes up can and will come down.
  
  For those not on the asset ladder, it now looks like an impossible dream.
  
  But you say, we had a pandemic, we saved 80,000 lives. Did we, did we really, I don’t think so.
  
  Most of the people we saved, who would have died with covid not from covid, would have had a life expectancy of under 2 years.
  
  I doubt that most people have any idea of the ongoing costs, both financial and social, that will play out over the coming years. But there will be a price to pay.
  
  The immediate costs are staggering enough.
  
  People have lost, jobs, businesses, homes, friends, family.
  
  The lost opportunity cost is very high. Most people would not understand that as they focus on the here and now.
  
  What do we know for sure,
  
  The death rate was never ever going to be 80,000.
  
  We had a influenza type virus that in a bad year would infect 25% of the population with a 99,7% survivability.
  
  Does not even rate in the top half of things that can and will eventually kill us.
  
  Viruses by there evolutionary nature need to survive, and they are very good at that, killing the host is counter productive to this aim, so they evolve into weaker strains to make it easier for us to live with them.
  
  What did we do to help both the virus and ourselves.
  
  1. Lockdowns, it forced the virus to become more infectious, the less virulent strains could not replicate and died off.
  
  2. A leaky imperfect vaccine, that killed of the weaker strains allowing the hotter strains to become dominant. It also allowed the vaccinated to carry the virus longer without symptoms.
  
  The long term effects of this imperfect leaky vaccine are still unknown, but based on what we are seeing in the short term the long term does not look good.
  
  Life is not without risk, life is not worth living without risk. We make our decisions and we live with the results some good some bad, hopefully more good than bad.
  
  But allowing a tyrant to lock us up and restrict our privacy and freedoms out of an “abundance of caution” and kindness, is straight out of the how to become a tyrant handbook, and yes this is well known throughout history, books have been written about it, films have been made about it.
  
  Spoiler allert it never goes well for the people and it never ends well for the tyrants.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:35am
  - thetiedarch
    
    When considering that 80,000 number I always look to the USA’s death rate – mainly because of their slow uptake of vaccines and the general American distaste for lockdowns and mandates.
    
    The USA’s death rate is currently 2,900/million (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/).
    
    Extrapolate that number out onto NZ, and we’d have had 14,500 deaths. Not a great number, but not 80,000.
    
    Even assuming the worst death rate in the world of 6,200/million (Peru), you still only get 31,000 deaths – again, not great, but not 80,000.
    
    When this is over, there should be a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the false numbers these alarmists produced. They and the likes of Ardern who acted so draconianly off these numbers should be censured, fined, and frankly, jailed for the damage caused to this country.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And USA is the most obese western country (37%), NZ is 2nd at 32% (due to polynesians) making them far more susceptible to covid. Obesity kills far more annually (estimated 2200 in NZ) than Omicron will, and places huge unnecessary burden on hospitals etc (ie the exact arguments used for covid mandates) but govt hasn’t shut down our economy or stripped fatties of civil rights to fix that.
      
      https://ourworldindata.org/obesity
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:44am
  - Mummy
    
    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
    Interesting read sent from daughter in Brisbane where all mandates including masks end on 6 March.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:00pm
- Prince
  
  Did Ardern put politics aside when declaring that the musicians who threatened to kill John Key and rape his daughter were ‘one of my favourite bands’ ?
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, let’s list all the times Labour put politics aside when Key was PM……
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not only that, she upvoted something to do with that very song, short bloody memories these socialists
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She doesn’t like it up her
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:30am
- kowtow
  
  Everything these days is political , and she’s a master manipulator .
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:53am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Kowtow she’s only as good as the journalists are bad. Given a media doing their job rather than indulging their political allegiances she along with the circus she leads would be gone now. That being in spite of the guidance emanating from her WEF advisors. The same advisors whispering in one Justin Trudeau’s ear.
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:02pm
    - kowtow
      
      True , but as I said everything is political , esp the media Pardy siding with “progressives” .
      As you say , and I’ve been saying it for 4 years , w/o the media she’s nothing .
      
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      February 23, 2022 5:42pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  Ardern can’t handle criticism. She was raised believing everyone should get a trophy for trying. So she tried to navigate balancing public health with human rights and she has failed with a big proportion of the population now questioning whether the Government has overstepped on restricting international travel, internal travel and the right of assembly (even if it’s at a cafe to catch up with friends.) It’s possible to oppose mandates and think their are some feral protestors who should go home.
  
  Now the real world is hitting her. Just because you try you don’t always succeed. You have to acknowledge and learn, Prime Minister. Then be better.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

What have you been doing for the last 2 years, Andrew Little?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/feb/22/two-years-have-passed-since-the-covid-pandemic-began-but-new-zealand-icus-still-arent-ready

The inconvenient truth of the scarcity of ICU beds has been partially addressed by altering their definition…

In this case, the words were “intensive care bed”. The definition was extended to include areas outside the intensive care unit (such as operating theatre recovery areas) and neonatal intensive care cots.
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February 23, 2022 8:03am
- emmess
  
  We do not need extra ICU beds
  There is one person in the ICU due to Omicron
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes. Omicron wiped out Delta where the vaccines failed.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:12am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      The virus did what it was always destined to do.
      
      Despite all our meddling that only delayed the inevitable.
      
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      February 23, 2022 8:46am
  - westernScientest
    
    ‘with omicron’ not necessarily due to, could have been a car crash for all we know.
    NZ does have a low number of ICU beds per population generally though, and given the ridiculous amount of taxes wasted on the public healthcare system, and the amount of ranting about ‘9 years of neglect’ they could have at least improved ICU capacity regardless of covid.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      as the Author of the Guardian article points out… we are in third world land..
      
      Then came the pandemic and suddenly New Zealand’s status as the second lowest in the OECD per capita for ICU beds (half as many as Australia, a third of the UK, and only beaten to the bottom by Mexico) was remembered.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:08am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “we are in third world land”
        
        My rough estimate is that in NZ approx 20% live a first world lifestyle and around 80% live a developing world lifestyle. Because the media and political class are in the 20% they like to drown out the experiences of the 80%. Hearing and understanding too much of the icky realities of the great underbelly is “too depressing” for them to digest so they ignore it and gloss over it.
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:56pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy
  
  Please do not be nasty to me. Surely you know Jacinda, Chippy and Robbo pushed me aside on the Covid thing, just as they did Clarky and then got bolshie with him because he went for a bike ride.
  
  Those three want all of the glory but as is usual they take no responsibility for the stuff ups.
  
  I am arse up, head down working an hour a day on making all our hospitals user friendly for all the Maori in New Zealand. With luck I will have them running all of the hospitals before the next election.
  
  If Jacinda likes my work I might get a higher list ranking because everyone knows I am ratshit at winning an electorate seat.
  
  Yours in health
  
  `Angry’ Andy Little.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:12am
  - RockyJ
    
    You forgot to add “Strike, what strike?”
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:28am
  - Yvette
    
    phm … as they did Clarky and then got bolshie with him because he went for a bike ride.
    
    But David Clark resigned, he was not fired, “because Ardern said Health could not suffer such an upheaval as firing one man, during her concentration on covid”
    Now she has approved Little to demolish all 20 DHBs and introduce the Maori Health Authority, one entity ‘to rule them all’, at what May be the height of omicron – not any upheaval … much
    And when is it that the heatlh workers are striking, also “on Ardern and Little’s watch”?
    With no new ICU beds, and RATs going to Welcome Home kits for New Zealanders returning from Australia?
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:49am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Ardern has not fired any ministers, all have resigned because of mounting pressure, Curran (dead set useless) Mel’s Fightery ( she is back as a minister) and Clark (push bike fool) have all resigned as ministers of their own doing
      
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      February 23, 2022 10:17am
      - pdm
        
        G – did they jump or were they pushed.
        
        I reckon pushed by Robbo because Ardern did not have the guts to do it.
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:29pm
- Prince
  
  Actually, what does Little do all day ?
  Pike River is a bust.
  Mental Health is a bust.
  Health Infrastructure is a bust.
  He was ‘blindsided’ regarding the recent strike threat.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    what does Little do all day ?
    
    If I could use one of his favoured replies when being questioned…
    I don’t know
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has a Māori health system to put together don’t you know
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    What does any good Unionist Lawyer do? Most get involved in creating strikes etc in order to bankrupt Rich Prick Capitalists. I would say on that count, he’s probably making bullets for Cindy and Robbo to fire on his behalf.
    Eff the Portfolio he’s responsible for, this is much more urgent especially when being out of Govt is a reality.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:30am
  - pdm
    
    Prince what do you expect if he only works for 1 hour a day. lol.,
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

From today you”ll get a RATs test if you are in Auckland and need to get your symptoms checked.

From Wednesday, all Covid tests at community testing centres in Auckland would take the form of RATs to address the current demand.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/frustration-over-govts-misleading-covid-testing-figures

…and there might be a delay in getting your cancer test results.
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February 23, 2022 8:06am
- RightNow
  
  They’ve run out of reagent for the PCR test.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:20am
Ruahine

A very Good Morning to all the Freedom Fighters in Wellington today.
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February 23, 2022 8:07am
- pdm
  
  Looks like they need to have a sort out though Ruahine and kick all of the `rent a mob’ trouble makers off the site.
  
  Next thing we know John Minto and Sue Bradford will be fronting the protest from the front line.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:15am
  - Ruahine
    
    I was kind of hoping for Tim Shadbolt.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:53am
    - oldfella
      
      Ruahine: Tim Shadbolt towing his concrete mixer would be fun. (If he’s even competent enough these days to still be driving.)
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:30am
  - oldfella
    
    pdm, if Sue Bradford turned up, TV1 could send out Katie Bradford to interview her.
    Katie: “Now, Mum, what do you think… “
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:28am
- bravefart
  
  I have a request of the protesters in preparation for the next time the police come in with forklifts and riot shields.
  
  Please all at the front line dress up as Tank Man of Tiananmen Square 1989. The articles of clothing will be cheap and easy to source, if not the plastic shopping bags…
  
  This will convey the disparity of power between the state and the subject and the path that Labour has taken in eroding democracy and individual rights in this once free country towards that of communist China.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:39am
- RockyJ
  
  The MSM are going to great pains to portray the demonstrators as a bunch of violent thugs. Some of this may be true.
  But we must never forget that the tone for this protest was set at the beginning by Labour MP’s describing the protestors as “scum”, “a river of filth”. Also by Mallard turning on the sprinklers and his musical assault. And finally by the PM’s refusal to talk with them.
  The government showed an appalling lack of understanding of human nature. They left the protestors with only one option, and that was to escalate.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:40am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    I see Mallard is doubling down by making early morning announcements over the PA system today.
    
    At some point even Ardern will have to concede he’s got too many anger management issues to be Speaker.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:19am
    - pdm
      
      `At some point even Ardern will have to concede he’s got too many anger management issues to be Speaker.’
      
      Do you really think she has the nous to work that out?
      
      Someone would need to tell her.
      
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      February 23, 2022 1:31pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No point trying to deny it. Ow, Leighton Baker has agreed there are thugs there, they always were there, Matt King also alerted to it
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And that snuck Peters for. King for a half hour smiling and smirking then getting a body guard escort down to back benchers for him to spend the afternoon on the piss, he was 2 weeks late, but now a hero, what a bloody charlatan
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:21am
70andstilllearning

Absolutely delicious! Lady Deborah Chambers being interviewed by Ryan Bridges explaining how the government is breaching BORA ( lack of justification now etc). Link suddenly disappears. Personal thought was the – the producer’s killed this government negative interview – Ryan’s quip was way way better – “ the government must have cut her off!!”
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February 23, 2022 8:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  In fairness I am developing significant respect for Bridge. He seems undaunted by asking the hard questions and is not a lickspittle for the Government.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:47am
  - Prince
    
    Agree. I give him tree months.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:57am
  - Weinerpoop
    
    He was very good on the his afternoon radio show
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:15am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    In retrospect I’m thinking he was keeping his powder dry when he did the “fill ins” for Garner and before he became “permanent”. He seemed to change quite quickly once he had the job – the main thing I noticed at the time being the way he started handling the PM’s obfuscation in their Monday morning slot.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:29am
- ecco
  
  I read Deborah Chalmers QC’s excellent piece (albeit now behind the Ferald paywall) on the absolute over reach by Ardern’s government on human rights for NZers and the total lack of justification for the restrictions as they stand today. One of the best pieces I’ve read criticising the NZ covid response and Ardern’s obsession on zero covid. Still, despite the omicron variant being vastly less virulent than earlier strains. Landed quite a few hits on Ardern.
  
  A thinking person’s view on things, as opposed to the 40% that voted for Ardern and just concerned about how many government services, health and other, and handouts they can get via Ardern’s government. It was on the free section of the Ferald in the early hours of this morning, and then hurriedly hidden away behind the paywall.
  
  If you can get access to this article via a library pressreader membership it’s worth a read.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lady-deborah-chambers-qc-baby-where-did-our-rights-go/A4PEA3BUNQ2TET4JPPIZLUXG5U/
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It is indeed an excellent piece, and well worth a read.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:09am
- ecco
  
  Must start watching some of Bridge’s show around 7.15am then. I’ve got it on autorecord with mysky. The AM show is not the same without Richardson there ?. (I’ll be tuning in to his show when that starts on Magic – does anyone know when that is?).
  
  Was put off the AM show, which I used to watch certain slots religiously. Those two light weight newsreader women they got in aren’t worth listening to and the even lighter weight weather guy is just a total waste of time. I want to be entertained in the morning, not irritated…
  
  Will miss HDPA when she’s away on leave. Wonder who they will get to stand in?
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:15am
  - Frank the tank
    
    It will be Dickens or the 2 Ronnies that are on before her. Unfortunately.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:12am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Bring back Larry Williams….he was great although I must admit HDPA is pretty good.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:41am
    - jon
      
      Larry is greatly missed, True straight shooter not unlike some of the hosts on Sky News Aust who dont trip over themselves trying to be P.C.
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:00pm
Tricati

The Ardern sycophants are getting really desperate when they have to get the likes of Patrick Gower, Simon Wilson and Audrey Young to write puff pieces to either denigrate the No Mandate protestors or Chris Luxon. Even the PM is getting desperate in inferring Luxon is dancing ‘dangerously close to sympathy’ for protesters – What bloody rubbish.
Many of Ardern’s followers, and herself, try to frame comments of a divided country around the covid mandates which is spurious at best. They completely ignore the split they have caused between the rural and urban sectors of our society, to the point Ardern and her colleagues ignored the Groundswell NZ, Howl of Protest, and again denigrated the leaders of that protest as just anti vax nutters, which was patently untrue.
They also ignore the fact they hid the He Puapua report they commissioned from their then deputy PM, Winston Peters, and the electorate before the last election. The contents of that report are very divisive and are based on separatism (eg: new Māori Health Authority having veto over all health matters). Add to that, the 3 waters proposal which even their ‘lefty’ mayors are against and right-thinking folk are pissed off at the deception playing out. The freedom (Hate) Speech laws are proposed to dictate what we can say so public dissention can be controlled. With a lot of these proposals are being pushed under the cover of a ‘Covid’ smoke screen, mainly of their making.
It seems if you get a spurious Green Peace petition of 40,000 signatures (never verified to my knowledge & only 0.8% of the population), then its ok to shut down the oil & gas industry, or if you get a few thousand screaming school kids protesting and shutting down streets, then its ok to call a climate emergency. But if you have people who have been significantly and directly affected by your policy/mandates on covid, its ok to right them off as anti-vax nutters and denigrate their rightful protest.
Its time Chris Luxon grew a pair, and started calling out this nonsense and clearly articulated what is driving the divide and attacked on a number of fronts. With the economy starting to go south, law & order at its lowest ebb for many years and the continual cock-ups over RAT testing etc it’s time to take the gloves off. Luxon will get no favours from the Ardern adoring MSM, but that’s a given, so go around them and/or whenever interviewed really, push back and embarrass them.
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February 23, 2022 8:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon handled the Campbell very well this morning, made it quite clear what he said in his speech, he is not going to be a push over, even though many here think he is
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:27am
  - jon
    
    Gee dont know how you can endure watching the Breakfast show. Five minutes of John Campbell and his fellow hosts would be enough to make me want to vomit.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I never watched the breakfast show at all, I watched a replay of Luxons interview
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Go and watch his interview with Campbell this morning, he did exactly that, and he would not take Campbells trying to frame him as opportunistic or backing down with his words the other day, he also called out the PM for *** about his speech
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:37am
  - Tricati
    
    Thanks – I just watched it and good to see Luxon pushing back hard. Campbell getting agitated as the interview wasn’t going to his script was great to see.
    We need to see more of the push-back,
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:30pm
- oc35
  
  Spot on!!
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Cops are spreading covid to the protestors

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462079/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-parliament-protest-in-16th-day

(Consider the logic here, The MSM and Coster are implying that the protestors have spread the virus to the cops…
Police Commissioner Andrew Coster says that police staff working at the anti-mandate protest outside Parliament have contracted Covid-19.

He says while they can’t link transmission to the protest, with people coming far and wide for the demonstration, he would be surprised if there was no Covid among protesters.

But 6 days ago we were told there had been a covid outbreak at Police Headquarters A “small number” of police HQ staff have tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/covid-19-latest-on-parliament-protest-covid-19-community-outbreak-thursday-february-17.html
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February 23, 2022 8:16am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  All government and public service spokespersons have been give a simple comment decision tree – one question – can you blame someone else? – yes, good blame them – no, shut up.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:31am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Note they are all wearing masks, for extended periods of time.
  
  1. The mask gets moist from exhaled air, it then becomes the perfect virus catcher, collecting any and all airborne virus particles that are then breathed in, perfect virus catcher.
  
  2. The masks usage longterm must hinder oxygen intake, affecting the brain.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:58am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… They (arden) will try anything.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:06am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I have heard from a reliable source one of the PM’s diplomatic protection squad had it and passed it to his teenager who promptly infected his friends.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:44am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The police should have used their corpse-handling gloves when carting off the dead and dying from the protest site.
  Zero sympathy.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:34am
- kowtow
  
  The shameful media pardy spreading govt disinformation .
  
  I had the same thought , just as likely Auckland Cops brought it to Welly , just like the returning students to Dunnerf and the tourists to Q’town.
  
  But hey let’s villify the Enemies of the State.
  
  Hail Glorious Only Font of Truth Leader Who Saved Us!!!
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:41pm
Gertie

Newshub. Who would have thought Winston would become my hero of the day. He just called out the media as gaslighting the New Zealand public. Made mincemeat of Luxons preciousness earlier.
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February 23, 2022 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Peters is nothing but a cynical opportunist. He turned up for all of 30 minutes yesterday, before retiring to the Green Parrot for a feed. Compare that to Matt King, who has been in Wellington supporting the protest for more than a week.
  
  Whoever welded the crypt door shut after Peters was kicked out of Parliament in 2020 needs to be taken aside and given a bollocking. It needed a much strong weld to keep Peters in.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:59am
  - Barbara
    
    Regardless of their motives, it’s jolly helpful to have all these politicians – like Bolger, Franks, Peters, Hide, Turia – come out and condemn the approach of the present parliamentarians.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:21am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      One common theme with that, none are in parliament, they can say what ever they like, and it does not matter a toss
      
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      February 23, 2022 10:47am
  - curry4me
    
    He deserves credit for turning up. I hope Matt King’s new party doesn’t include him. It’d be a credibility killer. Sir Jim Bolger also seserves praise for telling Stalinda to get off her high horse.
    
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    February 23, 2022 6:48pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      King has already ruled the charlatan out
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:35am
- Prince
  
  Don’t be fooled. He’d go with Labour in a flash.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Peters would only go to Labour for the right price – like he did secretly before.
    Hypocrite.
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:39pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  PLEASE Gertie – don’t vote for him – enough damage was done last time he got back in through the back door via the Northland bye election which effectively brought sufficient NZF numbers back into parliament to give him the “balance of power” in 2017.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [Learn to moderate your language, else your posts will continue to be deleted. mod.]
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:45am
- curry4me
  
  He deserves credit for going there. Never forget who gave us this government in the first place though.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:55am
- kowtow
  
  yer but he didn’t gaslight the NZ public when he chose Labour to rule over us .
  
  He reamed us out . Without the lube.
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:45pm
G152

For them who are unaware.
Putin is following the example that Hitler laid down.
Pretend that a neighbouring country is allied to you and it is in danger.
So you ‘spring’ to their defense.
And from others reactions to the take over guides in what the next action will be.
I reccomend a quick entry into the UN and suitable military reinforcements.
And a complete shutdown of Russian borders
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February 23, 2022 8:22am
- westernScientest
  
  You could also say he is following the example the Americans laid down (backing forces opposed to their respective governments because they think the government should either be overthrown or the country broken up), or the example the Chinese laid down (salami slicing). Or any number of other states throughout history.
  The comparison with Nazis/Hitler for just about everything at the moment is tiresome.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine
  
  Anyone else miss “and then we go bye, bye”
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:21am
- oldfella
  
  G1522, Hitler (an Austrian himself) used the excuse of ‘they are us’ to annex Austria.
  Not dissimilar to what Putin is doing to Ukraine.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:41am
  - G152
    
    My point. Thank you
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:23pm
Tomtoddy

Have a close family member with omicron. Forced to stay home but other than a scratchy throat and some tiredness is absolutely OK. All sorts of disruption so she can be “isolated”.

Friend is Australia also with omicron. Runny nose and headache for firt day but ready to go back to work yesterday but cannot.

Why cant we just get on with life when 95% are vaccinated against the thing that apparently terrifies people?
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February 23, 2022 8:27am
- emmess
  
  Don’t get a test
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:34am
- Nukuleka
  
  The Herald, however, trying to scare the bejesus out of its readers with articles describing omicron as ‘like a punch to the stomach’ and detailing the hospitalization of babies and pensioners. Must keep the sheeples terrified and compliant.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:35am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Yep the scare porn has arrived right on schedule. >$100 million buys you a lot of press.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:48am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Tending to agree with Graham Adam’s opinion piece on The Platform the other day that the MSM bosses that accepted the $$$$ are working through the “5 stages of grief”, – are a bit confused – “it appeared that Jennings is caught between denial, anger and bargaining (in the sense of struggling to find meaning” – but are still trying to hold up their end of the bargain. I also think that the more mature journos are also seeing the pipe to the trough starting to go dry given the increasing number of negative opinions pieces starting to appear. The newbie journo’s less so as they’re still too young and believe the tooth fairy’s gold coin will keep appearing.
    Commented earlier re Ryan Bridge’s quip this morning but there have been quiet a number of items with a negative government sentiment on the show this morning so I think the tide is slowly turning but the bosses need to work through their grief which takes time.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:14am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The babies hospitalised “BECAUSE OF” Omicron claim really needs to be put under the microscope. Are they there “under observation” simply as a precaution due to very worried parents??? As I understand it babies and children by all accounts are the least likely to be seriously affected by Covid (let alone the much milder strain known as Omicron). How many very old and frail people die from flu each year? It’s not a pleasant subject but it’s reality and it happens every year.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:05pm
- pdm
  
  tom 25 year old (approx)great niece in Sydney had Omicron a few weeks ago.
  
  Her mother told us she (the niece) had had worse colds.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:38am
  - Frank the tank
    
    In Australia they are starting to call it the “hangover” due to the mild symptoms most are experiencing.
    
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    February 23, 2022 8:49am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      The real hangover starts when people wake up from grants money printing sugar high.
      
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      February 23, 2022 9:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why can’t a journalist ask Jacinda this?
  
  Since the Omicron outbreak started, the infection rate for double vaccinated people has been close to identical to unvaccinated people. Of course this is not surprising, because without a booster, your second shot protection is long gone ?. About 40 percent of people have clearly decided to not get a booster yet they retain their vaccine pass.
  
  Now Jacinda, please explain, using clear English, and logic, how the vaccine pass system achieves anything, when the double vaccinated are as infectious as the unvaccinated. No don’t change the subject answer that question. ??
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:40am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    You very funny man.
    
    You seriously expect a brought and paid for hack would ask an unapproved question and two you seriously expect there would be a serious answer hidden in the babble and waffle.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:06am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Let me summarize the government’s response:
    
    “now is not the time to ease restrictions”
    
    There is no logical reason to have mandates, passes or scanning in with onimshambles. None at all and no-one covidiot has supplied a remotely logical argument otherwise. All supply the throwaway line above.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:33am
  - 103PapPap
    
    If you look at this web site (MOH) you will find the source for my stats:
    https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics#vaccinations-details
    Note that this site is updated daily, but cumulative stats are not available.
    Here are the stats on positive cases for Feb 22, 2022:
    Undosed Tot = 5044, (16.3%)
    Partial Dose Tot = 2402 (7.7%)
    Fully Dosed Tot = 17936 (57.7%)
    Under 12 Tot = 5726 (18.4%)
    Total cases = 31108 (100%).
    From these MOH stats, we can clearly see that the Fully Dosed are the major source of positive cases.
    I’m sure someone can explain this to both me and the Government.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:30am
  - I remember when
    
    BY:
    The reason the media are unable to use a continual line of questioning of Jacinda is that, after one question, she immediately switches to a different reporter for the next question.
    This allows her to control the line the media are able to follow.
    Or she uses her answer to change the direction.
    It also allows her to decide who asks the questions.
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:30am
    - DeepBlue
      
      The reporters should show some mettle and tag team one question only so she has to answer.
      
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      February 23, 2022 12:44pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    BY: “Why can’t a journalist ask Jacinda this?”
    
    “Accredited” “journalists” don’t delve deep and don’t ask awkward questions of The Party. You should know that by now!!!
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:07pm
  - Show me the evidence
    
    Actually I would have said something even more accurate based on the stats (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers):
    
    “Since the 2nd Feb the infection rate of double/triple vaxxed people has been higher than that of unvaxxed, Since 15 February, the infection rate for double/triple vaccinated people has been DOUBLE that of unvaccinated people. ”
    
    If you don’t believe me please look up the 7 Day rolling ave graph for case rates.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “Now Jacinda, please explain, using clear English, and logic …”
    
    When, Benedict, has Jaxxie ever claimed or shown a grasp of clear English or logic?
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:08pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The worst part is am told is the social isolation it is worse than home detention.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t isolate
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:51am
Rusty

This co-governance plan between Maori and the rest of NZ (whatever that means!) is absolutely ridiculous.

Does this mean Maori will have their own laws and elections different to the rest of NZ?

I would say the majority of Maori people in this country would never accept such an absurd idea like that.

This proposal only appeals to traitors of NZ’s unwritten constitution and democratic institutions.

If it gathers any momentum then expect mass protests from all Nzers on the streets of this country that will make the protests in Wellington look like a Sunday picnic.
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February 23, 2022 8:38am
- westernScientest
  
  It is driven by a few maori elites like mahuta who see the opportunity to conquer the other tribes of NZ, and make theirs the one ‘true’ voice, taking their ‘rightful’ position as the NZ ‘royals’ to return NZ to the ‘maori kingdom’ it should have been.
  
  Oh and a huge tax payer auto-refilled trough.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:10am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No Rusty, that’s not how the Treaty works.
  
  Article 3 gives Maori the same rights as everyone else. Article 2 lets the Maori Chiefs retain their tribal power.
  
  It is not between the Crown and Maori. It is between the Crown and the Maori Chiefs.
  
  “Co-Governance” will be between mostly democratically elected representatives of the people (Parliament but Maori still get their special seats etc) and hereditary tribal leadership. Ordinary Maori will have no power beyond what they get from the democratic side.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:15am
- MCōs
  
  “This co-governance plan between Maori and the rest of NZ (whatever that means!)”
  
  So you don’t even know what it means?
  
  Where did you read about it?
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:32pm
andretti

Just how many people out there actually believe that an extra booster will avoid them getting sick from the disease,after all the cases and what i would consider proof that they don’t do sod all to either catching or getting sick.Do people really believe?.
Is it possible that the jab actually makes people get a wee bit sicker?.In my extended family quite a few have bad flu like symptoms that seems to come and go over the last few weeks,but my wife and i as well as my son who have not been jabbed have not had the flu Yet.
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February 23, 2022 8:39am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Long vaccine?
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:07am
- Show me the evidence
  
  Yes, I have a few anecdotal examples too. I know 2 un vaxxed people who got Covid (1 presumable Delta last year), one presumably Omi this year. Both had just a cold.
  My husbands boss was double vaxxed, his wife triple vaxxed when she got it in early Jan. None of their kids got it and some would be under 12 and so wouldn’t have been vaxxed then.
  But if you really want to understand why very severe covid (inflammation stage) occurs more in unvaxxed yet the “flu stage” of the virus is often not as bad in the unvaxxed read this:
  https://www.rintrah.nl/suppression-of-the-innate-immune-system-the-main-cause-of-the-pandemic-of-the-fully-vaccinated/
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:49pm
emmess

I am finding it hard to care about the Russia/Ukraine situation when the likes of Justin Trudeau on ‘our’ side are just as bad
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February 23, 2022 8:40am
- Viva Christo Rey
  
  Exactly. The West believes in censoring free speech, using violence on peaceful protests, forced vaccinations, enforced worship of sodomy, hates christianity and the family. So at this point any talk about democracy is just dead air. Maybe it always was.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:38am
  - MCōs
    
    ‘Enforced worship of sodomy’
    
    You don’t care about Putin invading Ukraine because the West worships sodomy?
    
    That’s crazy talk.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:29pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      MCōs I get where he’s coming from. He’s talking about identity politics wrecking the west. The obsession with bottoms is a bit over the top but if you take step back and lose the woke brainwashing it’s about contrast between the current divided and self-loathing/self-destructing west and reality/engineering/science/family based empires that will kick the west’s ass bigtime if it the west doesn’t very quickly drop the identity politics and climate insanity.
      
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      February 23, 2022 3:13pm
- Rusty
  
  Me to. I wonder if its a world media distraction from some other crisis brewing in America and the western world?
  
  Shortage of oil/petrol, banking crisis, or another strain of covid ready to hit us?
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:05am
- Nickc2
  
  TBH, you can put Cindy in the same basket.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Gotta feel a bit sorry for the Ukrainians, though
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:12pm
unaha-closp

The Ukraine/Russia “minor incursion” that Biden greenlit last month has now happened.
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February 23, 2022 8:41am
- oldfella
  
  Biden said a minor incursion would be okay. Putin said, ‘thank you very much’ and did just that.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:45am
  - Batman
    
    Said no such thing, outside of the contextless world of Fox and Breitbart.
    
    He implied that consequences would be more severe depending on what Russia did. That is perfectly logical and sensible.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes he did. He used the words ‘minor incursion’
      And then you had the tame MSM back peddling for him
      Which you believe of course
      lol
      
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      February 23, 2022 12:59pm
      - MCōs
        
        Whatever he said Putin/Russia have gone way passed the minor.
        My guess is he’s testing the water preparatory to some sort of regime change in Ukraine.
        His advantage is Ukraine got no mates.
        I’ll tell you right now if there’s money to be made the tide will turn against those poor sods.
        
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        February 23, 2022 2:18pm
    - oldfella
      
      Bats, Biden certainly did say what you said he didn’t say.
      https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-01-20/bidens-minor-incursion-comment-roils-diplomatic-efforts-to-halt-russian-invasion-of-ukraine
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:44pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Bat,
      
      Why do you defend Biden? He is making the peanut farmer (Carter for those that don’t know) look like Lincoln, Washington and Roosevelt rolled into one. You can’t seriously believe he is doing a better job than Trump did now.
      
      FFS he has subcontracted the crisis out to Macron and Shultz who had a collective pair of 2’s to Putin’s full house. For the record the Buffon at 10 Downing Street is little better. It’s Putin 10, the West 0.
      
      In times gone past B2’s would have been flown into USAG Bavaria; troops dropped into Poland , missiles deployed along the former iron curtain and US/UK nuclear subs sighted on the artic circle and Baltic sea.
      
      The Ukrainians are now talking about Nuclear weapons and Eastern European Nato allies are privately thinking they are now on their own.
      
      If China wanted a green light to invade Taiwan – it sure has got it now.
      
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      February 23, 2022 3:00pm
BananaLlama

It would help if the NZ Police could provide some of their surveillance footage to back up the claims being made from the New Zealand Media about the Anti Mandate protests.
I understand they don’t want us to know how extensive their surveillance capabilities are but the MSM are just reporting utter nonsense with no proof at all while i can watch one of the hundred live streams that the protestors have and find no evidence of these reported claims at all.
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February 23, 2022 8:42am
- westernScientest
  
  You would think they would ware body cams going into a situation like that if they genuinely thought they would need to prosecute people for abusing them.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:59am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  If they had it, they would show it, guaranteed.
  
  Do you think the talking heads ever question what they are asked to say.
  
  They are not paid to think.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:10am
- mawm
  
  I watched the video of the car being driven into the police. Very underwhelming, not like that guy who drove into the trucker. He did properly.//s
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Let’s be clear: the driver was a complete dickhead.
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

here’s a “Spinoff” reporter who has been reporting on the Protest for the last 2 weeks…. From AUCKLAND!!!!. (before finally going to check out the situation on the ground)

Having reported on this protest from Auckland for the past two weeks, I thought I appreciated quite how big it was. In person, however, it’s significantly larger.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/23-02-2022/on-the-ground-in-wellington
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February 23, 2022 8:43am
- MCōs
  
  Apart from that matter of fact observation on the size of the protest area the article isn’t exactly complimentary.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    but, that’s not the point,
    
    For 2 weeks he had been churning out 2nd-hand shite without actually finding out what was happening on site..
    
    why would you give any credence to anything he is now “reporting”?
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:22am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      So he was giving his opinion Maggy. What’s new with 90% of so called journalists in NZ?
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:44am
      - bronny1
        
        It’s not exactly an informed opinion is it.
        Bit like our politicians.
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:54pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s all sorts of people‘reporting’ from the occupation site.
      One of them is Spinoff’s Stewart Sowman-Lund who is on site.
      He was the guy who wrote the extract above quoted by Justin Giovannetti the Auckland guy who wrote the article.
      
      There’s also innumerable attendees putting out stuff on social media putting their own spin on events as well as reporters from Stuff, NZHerald, and all the rest.
      I suppose you can believe whatever suits your agenda.
      
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      February 23, 2022 2:02pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Aaaand you have missed the point entirely to suit your own narrative.
    
    Sounds like our Supreme Leader, the glorious one (sarc).
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:35am
I remember when

Who is governing New Zealand:
Is it the Labour Government?
Or, is it the supposed leaders of the Anti Mandate protest group?
If the AMP leaders have to make their members go home –
what responsibilities does the Labour Government have?
Especially if, as they have stated continually, the Labour Government really believe that violence is going to happen.
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February 23, 2022 8:54am
- MCōs
  
  The AMP doesn’t have leaders that the protesters will listen to, by their own admission.
  The only people who can end the occupation are the protesters, with the encouragement of the police if necessary.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:12am
  - westernScientest
    
    or the engagement of politicians.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:29am
  - WellingtonBFF
    
    And there is only one good outcome from the protesters leaving without mandates ending: it will free up police to deal with the ILLEGAL occupation at Shelley Bay!!
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:10am
  - Matt Long
    
    The only people who can end the protests are the government by ending their egregious violationsof the bill of rights.
    Then the protesters will go home and start rebuilding their lives.
    
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    February 23, 2022 4:50pm
- bjools
  
  “the Labour Government really believe that violence is going to happen.”
  
  They wish.
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:32pm
westernScientest

I was looking for something else, but stumbled upon this:

“… a state which necessarily transforms the people even in their physical aspect. In order to be something more than a mere administrator, the State must utter great words, expound great ideas and place great problems before this people.”

Any takers on where this is from?
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February 23, 2022 8:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some Italian fascist.
  
  “Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State”
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:29am
  - westernScientest
    
    yep, it was one of Mussolini’s, Discorsi del 1929. Was mainly interested to see here if it would get attributed to Trump, Arden, Trudeau or Putin by commenters first.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:43am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Western, you are making an assumption that Ardern was clever enough to have come up with something like this. And it wouldn’t have been Trump, as he’s a capitalist, and of the right side of the political spectrum. Up until WWII (and maybe a bit after it), Fascism was considered to be a left leaning political ideology. In fact, Giovanni Gentile, sort of the “father” of fascism, leant toward Marx, and said “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.” His views were that the State should not own all of the means of production, but should certainly dominate them. There is no ideology of the right that thinks that any form of control over the means of production is a good thing!
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:58am
      - westernScientest
        
        To be clear I dont think any of them are Fascists, and I agree that fascism is a leftist ideology. I think adern and co are thicker than two short planks and are completely reactionary to retain their own troughs, and dont really have any ideology past that. Trudeau is similar but a bit smarter. Trump is kind of standard centre right populist, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a capitalist in the libertarian sense. Putin is kind of in his own category, but again not a fascist.
        
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        February 23, 2022 1:44pm
I remember when

“Politics should be put aside”: Newshub:
Oh how we laughed and laughed.
Poor Jacinda’s reason for being in politics is supposedly to help the poor and those in need.
Except, when they are protesting on Parliament’s grounds against her government’s laws.
“We will not engage wirth those who are blatantly breaking the law with their occupation of Wellington.”
“It is a statement I stand by and the Labour Party stand by.”
That and the fact their internal polling must indicate, that politically, that is their best option at present.
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February 23, 2022 9:03am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  To be fair.
  
  She did not engage with the deplorables her government imported into Wellington and did nothing to stem the crime wave that followed.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:15am
thetiedarch

Ah so the testing system is falling over: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-what-the-next-phase-of-the-omicron-plan-will-look-like/NP5Z4VAN2N2RCJRWX3ZF7YUXSI/

All this will mean is that people won’t bother to go get tested if it means waiting for hours in a queue only to be told they’re not essential, so won’t be tested, or to be tested and then to never get a result.

Outcome: more community cases that we currently know of, and greater spread.

Does this also mean that our daily case numbers might artificially peak at the same number as tests being completed?
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February 23, 2022 9:06am
- Stu2
  
  They are going to be using the less sensitive rapid tests as the testing centres flounder.
  
  In Oz there are mechanisms to report having a positive RAT test, but no mention of that here?
  
  Anyway it’s the hospital numbers that matter.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:38am
- westernScientest
  
  It will artificially peak bellow that because there will still be people being tested who are negative. NSW I think only got to like 25% positivity or something. Now they are using RATs though it might go well higher, I suspect we are probably already near the peak of PCR capacity.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:46am
  - Stu2
    
    NSW got into the high 30s in Jan
    
    https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-positive-test-rate/nsw
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:35am
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      Thanks, was just the highest rate I remembered seeing.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:07am
Tony Stuart

Excellent piece from Rodney Hide at his blog:

The Protestors Have Won
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has told protesters at Parliament that they’ve “made their point”, and it’s now “time to go home”.

The Prime Minister is clearly rattled. She doesn’t understand that it is not for her to decide when the protesters go home (other than by her repealing the mandate orders).

She also fails to appreciate that the protesters aren’t outside her window to make a point: they are there to end the mandates.

In that one distinction we see the difference between the protesters and the Prime Minister. Everything the Prime Minister does is to make a point — and only to make a point. She promises to build 100,000 houses or to plant a billion trees or to end child poverty. The promise serves only to make a point: that she cares. That’s it. It is never her intention actually to build the houses or to plant the trees or to feed the kids.

She clearly doesn’t know how to. She doesn’t know how to swing a hammer or to wield the massive machinery of government to make houses. If she did know, she would have done so.

But for her it doesn’t matter. She shows she cares by making her promise. She makes her point. And that for her is enough.

It’s the same with modern day protests. They make their point. And then go home.

The protesters that I know outside Parliament aren’t like that. They have gone to Wellington to end the mandates. They have a purpose. They have a job to do. And they will stay until it’s done.

That’s how they live. That’s how they work. They live with purpose. And they do things. They build houses, plant trees, and feed people. They are very good at what they do. They have to be. They get paid for what they do, not for making a point. They don’t survive with the hot air and endless meetings.

Their world and the Prime Minister’s world normally don’t collide. But the Prime Minister has used her world to turn their world upside down, and inside out, by a bewildering and constantly changing array of covid rules which don’t make sense and which serve no purpose. The protesters I know have had enough. They are fed up. And so they have gone to Wellington to end the mandates.

They haven’t sat at home to organise an online petition or write a Facebook post: they have gone to Parliament’s front lawn, pitched tents and built a town. They are capable. They are committed. The Speaker turns the sprinklers on, they dig drainage trenches and spread straw. The next day more volunteers arrive with generators and dryers to dry their clothes.

They are practical people. They can feed and house an army in a hostile environment.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/the-protestors-have-won

It’s a lengthy piece from Hide, and well worth the time to read. The PM is clearly rattled because these people aren’t simply obeying her commands. She’s tried to deflect blame onto Christopher Luxon this morning, but he has fired straight back at her.

The Prime Minister has a crisis on her hands, unlike anything she has faced before. That’s because she no longer has sole rights to the narrative. It’s going to be fascinating over the next few days to see how this pans out.
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February 23, 2022 9:07am
- BananaLlama
  
  I laughed out loud when I saw her touring an empty airport yesterday and even more when this is what she had to say.
  
  I love airports. Always have. I think it’s the reunions? Or watching people excited to travel abroad or to come home. Our airports haven’t been the same these last two years.
  
  Gee and why is that Jacinda? Maybe you could jump on one of those planes and never come back.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  The eject seat is getting installed as we speak – once the winter of business failures occurs, we fall into stagflation and omnishambles keeps rumbling through the pressure will be too great.
  
  Poor man’s Gordon Brown odds on to be the new supreme leader by Christmas
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Good to see her old boss Tony Blair rubbishing her hermit kingdom on FB the other day too
    
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    February 23, 2022 10:57am
    - mawm
      
      It’s a pity your new boss, Luxon, can’t see the harm being done to NZ and seize the day.
      
      Well said Rodney.
      
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      February 23, 2022 4:58pm
- bravefart
  
  Agree, well worth the read. Oh to have Rodney in Parliament right now
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:43am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That was a stonkingly good article by Rodney wasn’t it? I only hope Michael Bassett was paying attention!
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:57am
- coolas
  
  Tony S, do you seriously agree with Rodney Hide when he says the protesters are people who … ‘ build houses, plant trees, and feed people. They are very good at what they do. They have to be. They get paid for what they do, not for making a point.’
  
  Seriously? Nearly 80% are unvaccinated, and it’s a shame the Curia poll didn’t ask if they were beneficiaries, because I bet the % would be around the same.
  
  Hide might think he’s a modern day Cicero but that post is a fatuous rant.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:22am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I defer to coolas’s far greater experience with fatuous rants, but politely ask: why do you believe building houses, planting trees and feeding people are impossibilities for unvaccinated people?
    
    The reality of course, is that they are by no means mutually exclusive – especially when you factor in that none of us are vaccinated against Covid-19. Sure, most of us have taken an experimental jab but with regard to efficacy it by no means meets the threshold to be called a vaccine.
    
    Yes, WHO has changed the definition of key medical terms such as vaccine and case, but that’s just sophistry.
    
    Your logical fallacies continue unchecked – why do you think people paid by the government to sit around and do nothing would be remotely interested in ending mandates so they can get back to their jobs and businesses? Please try harder.
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:19pm
  - bronny1
    
    That’s just offensive and nasty.
    Do we value teachers, nurses, border workers, police, military, people who stack supermarket shelves and drive trucks, farmers, labourers?
    Clearly you don’t. I bet they add considerably more real value than you do.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:22pm
    - coolas
      
      Dah! The protesters are not ‘people who stack supermarket shelves.’ They’re the ones being abused by the protesters, as are all mask wearing passers by, including school kids.
      
      You might love Rodney but he’s totally unhinged on this one. You too. Sad.
      
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      February 23, 2022 6:37pm
I remember when

Co-governance works fine in Ireland!!
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February 23, 2022 9:13am
- Nickc2
  
  This isn’t Ireland!
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Details please .
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:50pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It was only a week ago that KK was breathlessly reporting from the “front line”, thanking the “financial backers” saying “you know who you are,” in a glorious opportunity for more self-adulation. Just 2 years after claiming herd immunity was this a moment of reprieve? CMM couldn’t resist such glory and acknowledged KK’s “thanks.” So much delight.
The 2 wee boys were playing adults and very excited, then just a week later in a rare turn of events (well not so rare for them) they got shit all over themselves.
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February 23, 2022 9:15am
- Frank the tank
  
  Keep drinking the Koolaid Brian.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:40am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Good old Brian – practicing his skills for being a ghost writer for Roald Dahl with exciting kiddie’s stories..
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:46am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  [Mods are ending this argument now. This comment was unreasonable. All of you pull your heads in or we will give you a holiday – Mod]
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:49am
- bronny1
  
  Wtf? I’m happy to contribute and will again. A couple of dubious incidents does not negate the good behaviour of 99.7% of the protesters.
  
  How can it when Jacinda has shown failure after lie and lie after failure for 4 years (0% achievements) but she’s still “marvellous”.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:26pm
I remember when

Newshub Live:
Mt Etna has roared back into life.
It has spewed a 12 kilometre high ash cloud over eastern Sicily.
Tongoan eruption something similar.
Bugger, there goes another couple of million dairy cows.
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February 23, 2022 9:17am
ecco

Did anyone read the hit piece on Russell Coutts in the Ferald yesterday in the guise of whether sports people should get knighted. Of course that’s happening because Coutts dared to say the media is bought out in nz and also show his support for the protestors. (Of which many other nzers are doing quietly as well).

It’s truly disgusting how Ardern has control of the nz media and is using it to disseminate her government propaganda. Thank goodness for the likes of newstalk zb to counter this corruption.
Unfortunately many of her sycophants only read the free material on $tuffed and Ferald and drink all that Ardern koolaid.
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February 23, 2022 9:17am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I saw that too and it merely confirmed my stand on not attending to the NZ MSM before The Great Pandemic (and soon to be – after).
  
  To scan their home page is to be blitzed with either fluff or hit-pieces on government opponents, but that one really took the cake. The best you can say about them re the government is that there aren’t many pieces arguing how great the government is, outside of the C-19 cult.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:34am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. Another millennial sports “journalist” more interested in politics than the sports themselves.
  
  Remember when you had proper sports journalists such as Wynne Gray that wrote solely about sports with in depth knowledge and expertise…..
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:43am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I read that too and wondered the same. Kris whoever they are should also ask why we should knight politicians, business people, well anyone really who gets paid for doing what they do…..
  
  The real kudos should go to those that do their work for free.
  
  It was simply s (s)hit piece.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:26am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Time the Herald put a “Sponsored” tag on contributions from Young, Trevett, etc.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:39am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I wouldn’t be too concerned ecco, in the fullness of time, a good few of them will be looking for something else to do. And there are not that many places to work when your only skill is giving someone elses opinion.
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:02pm
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    He might do well in government, providing uninformed opinions and lies day in day out.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:27pm
Maggie Pie

I watched that vid a few more times last night, of the moron ‘speeding’ through Police lines in Wellington yesterday.

https://twitter.com/southernscoop/status/1495823095407394817

Honestly, my partner guns his car out the gates quicker than that on a school morning.

Just saying.
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February 23, 2022 9:24am
- k1w1
  
  The use of the word “plowed” when the media describes the car’s movement is nothing but hyperbole. They need to take a long hard look.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    And I really hope they used ploughed rather than plowed. The wordsmiths should get things like that right!
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:02pm
- Frank the tank
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/02/22/watch-canadian-mp-honk-honk-is-acronym-for-heil-hitler/
  
  Lot’s of Nazis on the Southern Motorway Mags especially around the Takanini interchange……
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:47am
- My
  
  Yep, looks like someone went the wrong way, panicked a bit when they saw all the Police but rolled to a stop. Hard to tell in the vid, but it looks like they may have a mask on. Be interesting to get some background on the driver.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:56am
- wilderbeast
  
  I thought the Police reaction was the more noteworthy part of the video. F*ck me!!
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:50pm
DeepBlue

Luxon and /or Act should get out of Wellington and visit the protest in Picton.
A great opportunity to listen and hear representative concerns from provincial NZ.
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February 23, 2022 9:26am
ecco

Does anyone think that that stunt the police pulled turning up in riot gear yesterday was just to get some photos out there so that the idiots that only read the free to air articles on the NZ media would continue to think the whole protest movement is dangerous?

I bet it was just an arrangement between Cindy’s spin department and C Coster to shore up the message that the protest movement is violent and dangerous. I know people that won’t pay for the paywall stuff on the Ferald (what’s $20 a month to read some very good stuff unfortunately behind the paywall), so their only source of news is the free stuff which is all government propaganda.

You really don’t know what to believe with things appearing in the NZ media these days, with the advent of the covid media bribe fund and related lucrative covid messaging contracts that Ardern is handing out to compliant media outlets.
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February 23, 2022 9:27am
- ecco
  
  I’m increasingly turning to KB for my news. It’s my go to site again! I’ve enjoyed the on the ground reports from commenters who’ve walked through the protest camp. You can’t get to read this viewpoint anywhere else really in the nz media.
  
  The only suggestion I would make is that General debate needs to be split into morning and afternoon sessions. You miss some very good comments as it’s got very cumbersome on GD with so many comments. I remember when a good day was 300+ comments, now it’s 500+ comments some days. Wow. Well done DPF?
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:38am
  - ecco
    
    Not enjoying the increased number of Labour party trolls frequenting KB though. They surely must be being paid by Ardern. No one in their right mind would spend half their life on a blog site that diverged so completely from their world view. The remarks are always inflammatory and always personalised attacks. I guess that’s the Ardern/Labour style.
    
    Look at her in the last few days. Throwing lots of stones at everyone and anyone who disagrees with her. Fortunately only her sycophants are listening to her.
    
    I’ve never visited the left wing blogs, my time is far too precious to waste on that.
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:44am
    - westernScientest
      
      Its worth visiting on occasion to see what the bed wetters are fighting about internally:
      https://thestandard.org.nz/everyone-is-over-covid/
      Believe it or not, todays arguments are whether we should keep covid restrictions for ever or not. One of my favourite arguments is because ‘muh climate crisis’. Not sure why that means we need to keep mask mandates for ever, but hey, thats leftist logic for ya.
      
      The cognitive dissidence does make my head hurt though, so only go there in moderation every week or two. Makes you appreciate the likes of Batman, Mcos and MM a lot more on here because they are genuine, sane and respectful, even if somewhat idealistic.
      
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      February 23, 2022 10:44am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Batman, MCos and MM ‘genuine, sane and respectful’…ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
        
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        February 23, 2022 10:54am
      - westernScientest
        
        @Nukuleka
        Head over the the standard and you will see the difference. Especially if you find a post which disagrees with the standards groupthink.
        
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        February 23, 2022 11:09am
      - ecco
        
        Agreed nukuleka, appear to more like ‘disingenous, insane and rude, not to mention unrealistic’ ?
        
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        February 23, 2022 11:50am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @westie
        
        So good to be on KB where there is no groupthink 🙂
        
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        February 23, 2022 5:26pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are all over FB, although very quiet lately, un-paid Labour (slaves) interns
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:00am
      - Nickc2
        
        They’ve probably been re-deployed to stir up controversy and anti-Police sentiments within the Protest Movement encamped outside Parliament Buildings.
        Fifth Column in action.
        
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        February 23, 2022 11:42am
    - curry4me
      
      I just scroll past all trolls. I don’t reply to them.
      
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      February 23, 2022 6:56pm
  - curry4me
    
    Mine too, for NZ news. No bought and paid for news for me.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:07am
kevn

@Maggie… Yep, tame as, looked more like a brisk trot speed between the two lines. Followed by a gentle braking.
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February 23, 2022 9:28am
herb1

Jacinda Ardern “ The Eddie the Eagle of Politics” without any of his redeeming features
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February 23, 2022 9:39am
- bjools
  
  or the bravery.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:14pm
Maggie Pie

Imagine what Aunt Jemima would say if she was still around to see this.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1495962855207993345
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February 23, 2022 9:49am
- mandk
  
  That’s appalling and desperately sad for the business owner.
  
  I pray that the Dems will be obliterated in the mid-terms. They have created the culture that allows this to happen.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:28am
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/22/rand-paul-to-force-a-vote-on-bill-to-end-mask-mandates-on-planes-science-isnt-changing-but-the-polls-sure-are/

If Sean Plunket or Ani O’Brien read this please organize an interview with Rand Paul. His arguments to date have been the most logical and scientific of any I’ve read or listened to. And a MD to boot.
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February 23, 2022 9:55am
Benedict Yu

Just wanted to recount an experience in Waihau Bay. There was a track that obviously lead down to a nice beach. So the tall read head and I wander along the track.

There is a red light on a pole. “Do not proceed if red light is on.” Waited a few minutes. Red light stays on. Next a sign says “No Beach access. Keep out.” But we keep going. Then another sign “This beach is a sacred site. Keep off”. Anyway we had a nice beach walk and then departed. Beach was deserted.

It is easy to laugh at this stuff. But IMO it should not be tolerated. Local Maori know that some foreign tourists (if they ever return) will comply with such signs. Next thing they will be everywhere. ?
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February 23, 2022 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  BY, now we know where the Maori C19 millions Grant has splashed around ends up. Hundreds of millions apparently to bribe the whanau to get the KFC jab and absolutely no accounting.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:19am
- Yabster
  
  You should have ripped the signs out.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:30am
- ecco
  
  Enjoying your trip reports BY?! Might even venture up there. Although we are wimps when it comes to roughing it, some places you went sound pretty rustic…are there some nice places to stay at and places to eat??
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Surfers have been shot at ,at some beach or other .
  
  That’s enuff to put anyone off .
  
  Not a huge Media Pardy story tho’ .
  
  Odd that .
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:53pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Has been the case up there for a long time Benedict. There used to be a character called “the Captain” who charged $10 to cross a modest strip that gave access to the beach. The ownership of the strip appeared to be public land but hey….any case these people will only be emboldened by this governments utterings and deeds.
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:53pm
I remember when

An article in the media was just reminding me of how few wasps of any species I have seen this summer.
It was an article advertising ‘Wasp Wipeout’ run in conjunction with DOC.
It is stated that at the height of the summer, there are 10,000 times as many queen wasps in the beech forests as there are people in New Zealand.
If so, that is 50 billion wasps which seems a remarkably high total, especially when the percentage of the country covered by beech forest is considered.
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February 23, 2022 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  White Anglo Saxon Protestants are an endangered species.
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:54pm
70andstilllearning

Lol. Chucked the better half’s parameters into the “Covid Risk Calculator” and really surprised that the risk result came back at damn near double the risk for self. Commented to her that maybe it wasn’t much cop given the only changes were a slightly lower age (one age band) and gender. Got my delusion fixed real fast – ” who the hell gets the groceries you bloody stupid m……….”
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February 23, 2022 10:07am
- mawm
  
  I wouldn’t put too much trust in that calculator as most of the data around covid has been manipulated. Garbage in, garbage out.
  
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  February 23, 2022 6:39pm
curry4me

Shares of Digital World Acquisition Corp, the company behind Donald Trump’s new social media venture Truth Social, rose about 14 percent on Tuesday as the app topped downloads on Apple’s App Store.

Trump’s new social platform launched late on Sunday with a host of technical glitches reported by users trying to sign up.

Since then it has been downloaded 170,000 times and has seen a bump in trading with shares hitting $96.36, the highest since October.
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February 23, 2022 10:22am
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=notif&v=321241743383026&notif_id=1645499009445283&notif_t=live_video

Wellington, Tue afternoon.
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February 23, 2022 10:22am
- freemark
  
  Freemark was there reminding these guys how Cindy has betrayed them by funding gangs, arming gangs by default. Asking which ones were the thugs bearing women, children & the elderly last week. Next time I’m taking a megaphone.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:51am
  - curry4me
    
    Well done, thanks for going.
    
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    February 23, 2022 6:57pm
In Vino Veritas

Currently, Russia is presiding over the UN Security Council. After Russia has moved into the Ukraine, Ukraine requested an emergency meeting of the Security Council. Yeah, that’ll have worked.
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February 23, 2022 10:26am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Remember when this Trial was the hot topic of conversation here on KB about 3 years ago?

Well it’s STILL going thru the Courts and we’re STILL none the wiser…..

https://stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300308012/political-figure-named-in-trial-of-prominent-businessman-continues-to-seek-suppression
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February 23, 2022 10:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The media tried to suggest who it was the other day, as I remember tightly it was a high profile large Labour donor, the media said something about he was great at fixing bureaucratic problems, you roils almost think it was an ex Nat MP who was named mister hi it, they weee clearly trying to wake the sheep up to who it is, but as I say it’s a Labour donor, I wonder if he has changed his donations to another party of late, and the media are trying to cancel him
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But why do you say ‘HE’?
    
    According to the story in Stuffed, they refer to…. ‘SHE’
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The pic of him in the doc had his face buffed out, but clearly a man , if not, then he might be one of those full as that doesn’t know what he is, suggesting definitely a Labour stooge
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:43am
  - bjools
    
    Must be a Labour person, otherwise it would have been “leaked” by now.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Media gave lots of hints to who it was, but at the time it was stated it was a high profile Labour donor
      
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      February 24, 2022 12:44am
wilderbeast

Well….Luxon walked right into that….accused by the PM of being “dangerous close to sympathising with the protestors” he then explains that National doesn’t sympathise with the protestors and their actions. In one full swoop he smears the actions of a majority of law abiding, genuinely concerned protestors with the actions of a few inevitable nut bars. He doesn’t even know it but he’s been completely owned by the PM and her strategy of undermining the WHOLE protest in the eyes of the general public through the MSM. FFS, Is it that hard? Like many have said on here there are many, many good people with genuinely held concerns at the protest….but apparently they deserve NO sympathy. What have we become?
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February 23, 2022 10:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, just illustrates how brainwashed we still are about “Jacinda saved us” and the terror people still have about Covid.
  I would really like to give Mr Luxon a fair go, but he isn’t inspiring and, like so many others, seems to be more concerned about not upsetting Jacinda and the Labour Party than taking a real stand on anything.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought his speech the other day, and his rebuttal yo Campbell this morning were great, compared to the loser in chief he is a breath of fresh air
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:10am
    - Gravelroad
      
      That’s the way you want it to be.
      That’s the way I’d like it to be.
      But Mr Luxon’s speech on the protest was not “great”.
      It wasn’t stirring. It wasn’t bold. It didn’t inspire confidence.
      It was an executive summary of a situation.
      
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      February 23, 2022 11:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        His bloody speech was not about the bloody protest FFS, he said a bit about the protest, but his main crux of his speech was the country bring divided by this rotten government, and the fact the PM is dead set useless
        
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        February 24, 2022 12:47am
    - Ra Henare
      
      I wrote to the Nats and suggested Luxon go to Toastmasters to learn how to construct a speech.
      His ramble should have been 3 speeches rather than an omnibus waffle.
      
      Given it was probably put together by a speechwriter, suggested they fire the speechwriter and get a Soap opera scriptwriter. At least there would be some passion and controversy in it.
      
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      February 24, 2022 7:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s rubbish, he clarified exactly what his speech was about, he steered clear of being labeled as a protest supporter, and clearly pointed out the speech was about this divided nation and the failure of the worst pm in history
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:08am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “….but he’s been completely owned by the PM and her strategy of undermining the WHOLE protest……”
  from this blog –
  https://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/outcomes-of-the-parliamentary-occupation/
  
  “Sure, its attracted some dingbats and potentially menacing individuals. But in my view a lower proportion than in most protests.”
  
  It’s not hard at all to separate the sympathy for the protesters as a whole as against the dingbats and menaces. Will probably be a labeled a “conspiracist” but can’t help wondering what she really held over the opposition parties heads to get their “stand in unity” pledge/agreement in the first place – it’s fractured to a degree but should have totally disintegrated by now given a large public pro sentiment, many MSM negative govt handling pieces and the duration. Fear (perhaps) of MSM hatchet jobs is almost irrelevant now. Just can’t fathom the holding back!
  By the by – Stephens piece is a good read.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:34am
  - chukar
    
    Agreed ,70 plus
    Accidental down tick.
    Sorry
    
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    February 23, 2022 1:42pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Most people I talk to are against the protesters “shitting in the streets for freedom”
  All the protesters have achieved is making it impossible for National to be against the mandates.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Where’s your evidence?
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, outside echo chambers like Slaters shithole, and MPs FB pages, I have not heard one person on the side of protesters
    
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    February 24, 2022 12:49am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Seems most people you talk to only get their information from TV1 news. Ie unverified innuendo.
    NOBODY has evidence of the throwing shit at police or putting it in the drains!!!!
    
    Suggest you invite them to read KB or other blogs. Even the Daily Blog from Bomber will give a more realistic opinion. Broaden their horizons
    
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    February 24, 2022 7:39pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/127859891/protester-claims-police-punched-and-eyegouged-him-at-parliament-occupation
Lets use the same hyperbole that the MSM do.
Is this our “George Floyd” moment?
Unlike the Throwing “human waste” “acid” etc
Here we have actual EVIDENCE.
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February 23, 2022 11:28am
- Batman
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Typical left wing media, always giving sympathetic hit pieces to violent beatnik protestors!
  
  No sympathy for their personal actions causing a consequence.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:47am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The guy wants justice, not sympathy or politics. Clearl that cop should not be a cop.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:57am
    - Mike
      
      You BLM sympathizers are always anti-police.
      
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      February 23, 2022 12:54pm
    - Max Howler
      
      The guy threw his head at the officer’s fists (who had forced his way through the police line to get at him), and then he tried to bend his thumb back with his eyeballs – clearly, you have taken the situation out of context – think of the children, its Delta again, its point taken (is it?) Buhhhhhhaw
      
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      February 23, 2022 1:35pm
  - bjools
    
    So you didn’t watch the video.
    This man is pinned against a portaloo, by one policeman’s riot shield, while another policeman reaches over and punches him.
    Then another reaches into his face and pushes his thumb, into his eye.
    After being dragged away, he is clearly punched while on the ground.
    This man NEVER raised his hands once, during this.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:22pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    What personal action did that double vaxed guy do that got him attacked by a cop? Is there any evidence whatsoever of him doing anything wrong other than being there? He got arrested for obstructing Police. He was standing with his back to the toilets. Was he stopping them from going to the loo? The cop had no right to intentionally eye gouge him. There is literally no reason for them to do that to him.
    
    If the cops were justified attacking him because someone else did something stupid, then surely all the protesters have the same right to beat up the cops for attacking him right? Of course not, that’s idiotic, yet it seems to be the argument so many are making against those protesters.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:53pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The incident in question was captured on camera and twittered.
  Large officer stuck thumb in eye of the protester as he hauled him out of the line.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:49am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    @Maggie P’s 12:57 twitter link yesterday shows a close up version. On video this Pokeye looks no less premeditated than NZ’s probably most notorious one which also happened in in a “scrum/rumble”.
    
    But the police’s –
    “A statement from police said the video did not “provide the full context of the protest activity and the situation police staff face”.”
    could be totally expected given recent similar situations and let’s face it – animals will go for the eyes when they want to protect their territory ( birds attacking humans is a good example) and this guys attack is no different. “Full context” my ar..!
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:18pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The police are professional liars on their own behalf so don’t expect the truth without a fight.
  
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  February 23, 2022 11:52am
  - bjools
    
    Their reputation, is tarnished by the video.
    
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    February 23, 2022 12:24pm
- jon
  
  And now what about the so called acid attack on police officers by protesters now being considered friendly fire in that it was pepper spray from a police officer on fellow force members. If this report is true the media owe the protesters a public apology. Dont hold your breath though,
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:40pm
artemisia

Complaining dog owners probably think they have had a win when a property management company removed publication of dog breeds that would not be accepted in rentals. Following complaints from said dog owners, one at least claiming discrimination.

So no published policy any more, so the company will just be like every other in the industry and routinely turn applicants down without giving any reason. Nothing to do with dogs.//

And certainly nothing to do with any illegal discrimination.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127772604/property-management-companys-dog-breed-policy-riles-dog-owners
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February 23, 2022 11:50am
- bronny1
  
  Banning certain breeds is essentially racism.
  
  I work at a shelter. I have two dogs. My collie is a nutter, reactive and I have to take care not to allow her in situations where this comes out. The mastiff is a gentle giant, might drown you with drool but that’s it. At the shelter the pit bulls and mastiffs and am staffs are the easiest to handle. Small dogs and collies are the worst. I’ve been bitten by a jack russell and a pug.
  
  As a landlord I’d allow dogs over kids and bull breeds over small yappy things.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:38pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Small yappy dogs don’t have the same ability to maul or drag down a human animal, or the same genetic traits around lock on and ‘to the death’ as fighting breeds.
    Having been bitten by a pitbull/mastiff cross which was wandering off property, I would take a fox terrier, scotty dog or minature poodle in any Coke vs Pepsi test.
    You can football-punt a smaller dog.
    “Muscle dogs” might be lovely as individuals I have not doubt, but when things go bad they go very bad.
    Heh, one mate of mine got bitten by a little terrier dog that kept harrassing him, and something went off in his head. He picked it off the ground and throttled it until is pissed itself, and then threw it against the wall once it was limp.
    I will propose that you can’t do that to a mastiff or a pit bull.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:34pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Discriminating between dog breeds = racism?
    
    No, not really.
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:30pm
surfing

I just queried the Ministry of education about the $500 per child payments that our school is demanding from our children for essential course materials.

They just pointed me to their website… grrr, already read that.

Another case of the stupid government saying education is free, but , at the coal face it is anything but!

What happened, is govt effectively abolished school fees several years ago. So, now the schools are charging excessive fees for course materials that are essential to passing the course.

I wish the government either made education free, or , addressed the reality and finally admit that it is NOT!
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February 23, 2022 12:00pm
- Ehlana
  
  What are these “essential course materials” surfing? From memory, we bought stationery, school trips and uniforms ourselves, the school provided textbooks. The only thing I can think of that came under the “essential course materials” heading would have been ingredients for cooking we took home or the like.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:12pm
graham

Wow … I did NOT see this coming.

A “conciliatory process” aimed at deescalating the protest at Parliament is now underway, says Chief Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt.

“The job given to the Human Rights Commission, Te Kāhui Tika Tangata, by Parliament is to listen, conciliate, educate and advance human rights and responsibilities for all,” Hunt said.

“It’s clear that the protesters who I have met with have very real stories of loss and suffering. They feel broken and discarded due to the impact of Covid-19 health measures on their lives.”

Hunt said some of the protesters had lost loved ones had had “suffered the side-effects of vaccination” or lost their jobs.

“I have a duty to listen to their concerns to understand how their human rights have been impacted.

Now THIS is a turn-up for the books. The Chief Human Rights Commissioner, against all popular rumour, appears to have a spine, and is actually going to do his job despite the howls of outrage that will doubtless emanate from the Government.

The conciliation being led by Hunt would continue in stages and involve a range of stakeholders, including mana whenua, police, the Commission’s chief mediator and Wellington Mayor Andy Foster.

Hunt had also asked the Prime Minister to ensure her government engaged in this “constructive process”.

Stand by for frowny-face extraordinaire at THAT particular request!

The Commission recently provided a report on special conditions that vaccine mandates should meet to fulfill human rights requirements.

The Commission has faced an unprecedented increase in complaints and inquiries since the beginning of the traffic light system.

An “unprecedented increase in complaints and inquiries” … does this tell you something, Ms Ardern?
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February 23, 2022 12:07pm
- bronny1
  
  Don’t hold your breath. I made a complaint about mandates. The response from HRC was that it was my choice not to be vaccinated so is not discrimination.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:41pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Graham-
  If he has a meeting with the protesters hope he gives them $200 koha money same as he did when he met with the Waikato Mongrel Mob to listen to their concerns.
  Haha like hell he will.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:07pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  @graham
  “The job given to the Human Rights Commission, Te Kāhui Tika Tangata, by Parliament …”
  Sounds more like he’s been requested to intervene rather than “initiated” an intervention although in fairness it probably is his idea as the govt exec hasn’t had a new idea for yonks. I’m picking it will eventually come out as having occurred something like this:
  – Govt exec has new “idea” to resolve stalemate ( Hunt’s really but shush)
  – Exec tells Duck (Parliament) to request CHRC’s assistance which he does quietly ( Duck stays mum because he’s already in bad books)
  – CHRC starts working on request but the it leaks so talks to MSM.
  – ?
  
  Benefit for govt would have been that they would’ve saved face because “they” didn’t initiate talks process with the protesters but given the job comment the cat’s been let out of the bag there.
  But “Stand by for frowny-face extraordinaire…” – the spin will indeed be spectacular to watch/hear and she can’t ignore the CHRC’s request..
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:51pm
- curry4me
  
  That’s a plaesant surprise. Thanks for posting.
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:07pm
Tauhei Notts

Please tell me if I am getting the wrong end of “the stick”.
There have been about 2000 people at The Protest. Curia reported that 76% of them have not been vaccinated. Very few, if any, of those 2000 wear masks.
There have been hundreds of police about “The Protest”. All of them have been double vaccinated AND all of them wear masks.
Covid-19 infection amongst the 2000 protesters = NIL.
Covid-19 infection amongst the police = 5.
Am I right to conclude that this is the biggest farce ever put upon the citizens of my country? My big concern is that, if I am right in my conclusion, then I am amongst a small percentage of New Zealanders. I attended a function with about 85 others yesterday and so many of those there would want to see a Tiananmen Square treatment dished out to the protesters. That is sad.
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February 23, 2022 12:09pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Most New Zealanders want law and order. The average kiwiblog reader on the other hand, wants to defund the police and start a homeless tent city in the middle of Wellington.
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:17pm
  - Yabster
    
    defund the police?- wrong blog mate- try over at the daily maybe ffs.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:22pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You have poor reading comprehension, particularly on your first claim around anyone asking for defunding of the police.
    Yours is the first claim I have seen that these are ‘homeless’ people.
    Nazis, yes, river of filth, yes, Islamophobes, yes.
    The homeless you are thinking of might be those that were moved into hotels long before the protests perhaps, and then started causing trouble (raising # of police incidents) which the government in that case was perfectly happy to ignore.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:40pm
- RichardF
  
  To be fair, I cant imagine any of the protesters seeking a test, so for all we know there’s lots of infections (mild & asymptomatic) there. I wonder how the Police infections were discovered? I doubt 5 officers came down with symptons and got PCR’s, maybe they’re doing regular surveillance testing of the front line officers? I agree with the general sentiment of your post though, this is all a bloody farce.
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:37pm
- Mike
  
  You are right: the protest is farcical.
  Re your last observation, though, you are not wrong. As with all social issues, there will be zealots and extermists on each side. If some people really wish to see protestors crushed by LAVs (we have no tanks), than they are just as bad as people waving nooses or calling for a ‘Ceaucescu moment’, ie, completely bonkers but hopefully harmless.
  
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  February 23, 2022 12:51pm
- MCōs
  
  I think you’re kidding yourself if you think none are infected with covid-19.
  Zero tested, would be more accurate.
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:34pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    The protesters have a very good first aid post run by highly skilled people.
    
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    February 23, 2022 2:35pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Lemsip and hankies will protect them from this part of the pandemic.
      
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      February 23, 2022 3:42pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Many are unvaccinated Mcos. Surely they’d be in hospital ona ventilator if they had covid. Not tested you say? Surely they would be symptomatic and it would be obvious to all……unless…..
    
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    February 23, 2022 6:51pm
- Klondike
  
  Why hasn’t the Wellington Police force all been stood down as close contacts ? And their family, and friends of family ?
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:46pm
- westernScientest
  
  about when the protest started there were a bunch of wellingon cops tested positive, it seems more likely they are spreading it around the station, than in some fleeting moment of being near a protester.
  
  The irony is it will probably be the cops that are the source to the protest now when they give it so someone they arrest and that person returns to the protest.
  
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  February 23, 2022 1:52pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Protesters have been put I to isolation today full of the pox
  
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  February 24, 2022 12:51am
Yvette

‘You’ll always get the odd nutcase’: Peters defends visiting protest day after faeces were thrown at cops

“I see what they did” with that headline.
Does Winston see it?
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February 23, 2022 12:17pm
- bjools
  
  Still lying about the throwing of faeces.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:15pm
  - Melbury
    
    The story grew with the telling:
    
    Unknown liquid -> Urine -> Human Waste – > Faeces.
    
    Evidence-free malicious reporting.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:59pm
    - Batman
      
      A colleague of mine saw someone literally taking a shit in the bushes outside of the Treasury, barefoot.
      
      Security teams for nearby agencies and businesses have been washing down footpaths and walls every morning thanks to these literal shitbags using them as toilets.
      
      I’m sure in the mop up there will be more detail about the people throwing shit at police.
      
      There’s no denying it for anyone nearby. The place stinks and it’s not just the giant rubbish pile outside the Thistle Inn!
      
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      February 23, 2022 4:41pm
      - Matt Long
        
        “There’s no denying it for anyone nearby. The place stinks and it’s not just the giant rubbish pile outside the Thistle Inn!”
        Have to agree with you there, I was down there 3 years ago and it was just the same.
        
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        February 23, 2022 5:20pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        End the mandates. They stink. They’re unethical.. And we’ve had our lives disrupted for months. Not just a faint whiff from our government offices and some parking problems but complete breakdown of our lives, jobs and exclusion from society. Do you think people want to be there?. They want their lives back. Screw the passports.
        
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        February 23, 2022 6:47pm
  - curry4me
    
    Its what they do. They have 110 million reasons to do it.
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Where Britain goes, we go … or not

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/North-Sea-Oil-And-Gas-Investment-Is-Vital-For-UK-Energy-Security.html
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February 23, 2022 12:29pm
- All_on_Red
  
  They should start Fracking to exploit their on shore Natural Gas Reserves.
  But Greenie Carrie Johnson won’t allow that.
  No, no, no.
  She’d rather people died of cold
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:48pm
Prince

Has anybody else found the usual ‘side bar’ on Kiwiblog has disappeared ? (ie Recent Comments, Links to Other Blogs etc).
Is there a fix ?
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February 23, 2022 12:42pm
- graham
  
  Yes, I noticed that it disappeared a few days ago. A similar “sidebar” used to appear at the bottom when reading on a mobile, and that has also gone. No idea why.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Yes noticed it yesterday. Sent a note to admin asking about it.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:15pm
NoCash

Russian Ambassador to NZ summoned over Ukraine escalation, Mahuta threatens ‘suite of measures’ if ‘full invasion’ occurs

I wonder what the suite of measures are… cancelling our orders of vodka and caviar?
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February 23, 2022 1:28pm
- bjools
  
  He must be amused to be invited to the play house, to play in the sand pit.
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:13pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Sending Putin a picture of Jacinda’s teeth in Mahuta’s face? That should frighten him.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:24pm
  - bjools
    
    Psychopaths are unable to feel fear…or is that sociopaths… I forget.
    
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    February 23, 2022 3:28pm
PatrioticSolidarityNow

You know what, I have to put this out there; as a white kiwi, whose people have been here for many generations, I’m beginning to find the exclusory phrase ‘mana whenua’ offensive.

This is not a racist comment, it comes from the heart, it’s how I feel about this, so please don’t censor it.
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February 23, 2022 1:39pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  White kiwis? White isn’t a people.
  
  You find the word mana whenua offensive because Maori aren’t dumb enough to denationalize themselves, like the British settlers descendants.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:11pm
  - PatrioticSolidarityNow
    
    Thanks for the bite WS. You’re right of course.
    
    Then why are we told everyday that everything bad in our world is the ‘white’ mans fault & everything black, brown or female is the cat’s whiskers?
    
    You’re even doing it yourself. No idea what you mean by Maori denationalizing themselves, they’ve never been a nation.
    
    As for British settler’s denaturalizing themselves; kiwis of all ethnicities were once British subjects, but in 1949 we all became citizens of the independent nation of NZ.
    
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    February 23, 2022 4:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Indeed, it’s just an elitist cult.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:30pm
  - PatrioticSolidarityNow
    
    Please elaborate Alan?
    
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    February 23, 2022 4:58pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Ordinary Maori have nothing to do with the elitist separatist snobbery. Far too busy with their own lives, people and problems. Their elite live in their own cultish political bubble far away.
      
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      February 23, 2022 5:16pm
BAM

Voting Peters at the next election and I don’t give a fuck that he went with Ardern

The only genuine politician in NZ, the rest are scum

Watch the video and compare it to anything Luxon the eunuch has ever spoken
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/nz-first-leader-winston-peters-defends-visiting-covid-anti-mandate-protest-day-after-faeces-were-thrown-at-police.html
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February 23, 2022 1:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  BAM, I pity you.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:06pm
- bjools
  
  How many times are you asking us to fall for this slippery bastards hollow promises?
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:26pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Winston is smart but self-serving. He’ll be robbing ACT which is good news for Labour but might take some from the Greens which isn’t. Luxon is too frightened of scaring the floaters
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:40pm
  - Prince
    
    Either way, Peters will always go with Labour.
    Utu rates highest, and anyway he would never backtrack on his 2017 decision.
    
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    February 23, 2022 5:22pm
    - BAM
      
      Maybe National need to be less about their business backers and more about what’s good for NZ.
      
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      February 23, 2022 8:19pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Voting Peters got us in to this mess.
  
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  February 23, 2022 3:45pm
  - mawm
    
    But what is voting for Luxon going to give us? He seems to be Jacinda’s handmaiden.
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:04pm
- wilderbeast
  
  To be fair I did enjoy his sign off, telling Newshub to be a decent “forth estate instead of a fifth column” ?.
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters walked in the crowd for half an hour, he then got a escort by Māori activists to the green parrot, yeah you set the bar low man
  
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  February 24, 2022 12:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This morning on play school TV1 breakfast (I watch it because the speaker of the house insists), there was John Campbell (greatest presenter in NZ) Spouting about Wellington.
He said something like ‘the peace protesters that are occupying Parliament’
Really Campbell? OCCUPYING???? Is that like the so called insurrection in Washington DC blamed in Trump?
The Trump rally was infiltrated on Jan 6th – just as the Freedom Convoy has been infiltrated by the RENT A MOB.
Get it Campbell? You bend and twist things just as the usual leftist media commies do.
The protesters are not ‘occupying’ Parliament – that was a LIE!
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February 23, 2022 1:56pm
- MCōs
  
  I can’t stand that programme so I’ll have to take your word that’s it’s on.
  Are you suggesting all the trouble makers on Jan 6 and now at our parliament are put there to make Trump, over there, and the anti mandate people over here, look bad?
  How far back does this sort of behaviour go?
  We know Eve made Adam eat the apple, but did Cain get a bad rap?
  
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  February 23, 2022 2:45pm
Max Howler

I’m thinking of taking the ferry over to Picton to join the Dunkirk style flotilla – is it true Cuddles is ringing around for U-boats for hire?
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February 23, 2022 2:08pm
bythesea

Vaccine mandates were implemented by many (maybe most?) of the councils.

I just see a story about Rotorua mayor
“Rotorua mayor Steve Chadwick has tested positive for Covid-19”
and i am sure there will be plenty more staff catching it.

First of all, how many council staff will get it before they admit that the mandates were pointless and petty vindictiveness.
(Never would be my guess)

Secondly – if you were a council employee who was sacked due to the mandates – do you now have reasonable grounds to sue the councils for unfair dismissal and/or reinstatement.
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February 23, 2022 2:13pm
curry4me

Coalgate, house purchase? Anyone on KB want to buy a tenanted house in Coalgate. My cousin lives there, and her landlord has given them three months notice. I’m assuming the purchaser would land bank the house, and sell some time down the track.
DPF and mods have my permission for anyone to contact me. Hope I’m not out of order.
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February 23, 2022 2:16pm
TT500

Mike Hosking
Mike Hosking thrashes senior labour ministers almost daily ( desevedly) about their incompetence.
Mike Hosking thrashes senior labour ministers
almost daily about their covid response and the
collapsing economy (clearly linked to Govt mandates
and restrictions.)
Mike Hosking thrashes protesters almost daily for
demanding an end to mandates and restrictions
Mike Hosking sheer genius
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February 23, 2022 2:48pm
- greybeard
  
  Unlike you , TT500, Mike Hosking can obviously see the difference between protesters who have a genuine message and a genuine worry as opposed to those who piggy-back on their presence in order to further their unrelated agendas.
  As most of us can. We all know that in any protest that there are fringe elements.
  Just as we know that a hell of a lot of people are going to the Parliament protest for no other reason than to get free food.
  
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  February 23, 2022 6:04pm
Alan Wilkinson

I was reading Jeremy Clarkson on the tower building cladding fire last night and wondering how long it will be till EV’s in parking basements burn down their apartments and offices the way they burn ships?
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February 23, 2022 3:08pm
- cmm
  
  There are already office blocks/residential blocks banning them from the parking basements etc.
  
  https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/02/condo-association-bans-owners-from-parking-evs-in-the-garage/
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:13pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It is thought that the car carrier in the N Atlantic on fire at the moment was caused by Lithium Batteries.
  
  Vessel looks like a Constructive Total Loss
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:46pm
mandk

My fears about black ops at the Freedom Protest are intensifying.

First, we hear about unidentified liquids and human waste matter being thrown at the cops. I suspect we will never know the exact nature of the liquids and matter.

Second, a guy driving a white vehicle supposedly drives at the cops. Was he a protester or a cop? He has been given name suppression in court, so perhaps we will never know.

Third a protester allegedly threw firecrackers at the cops. It transpires that he man was wearing a hearing aid (or was it a police communications device) and was using NZ sign language. Would it really occur to a deaf person to throw firecrackers?

I’m sure I will be called a conspiracy theorist, but that’s the thing about black ops – they are difficult to prove, as is intended.
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February 23, 2022 3:23pm
- 2ic
  
  It appears it was the Police themselves that managed to pepper-spray their own:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3_04PJOaPQ
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I have no doubt this is happening is some shape or form.
  
  The more paid-off and sycophantic the media, the less well orchestrated these ops need to be. The black ops lies become amplified quickly and with zero critique.
  
  It’s really important for the protest strategists to have, and to regularly promote a code of conduct. I’ve heard elements of this from the stage, but in my view more is needed. Not only acceptable behaviour, but how to respond when unacceptable behaviour is seen.
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:44pm
bjools

To all you negative nellies.
We need the best govt. possible, stop dreaming of the best possible govt.
BTW the current clown car circus, is neither of these.
In fact, a blind dog with a note in it’s mouth, could do better…….On all subjects.
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February 23, 2022 3:24pm
cmm

I just has fun with a phone scammer.

Scammer: Hello I am phoning from the Spark internet department and there is a problem with your modem.
Me: Ok, I will have a look.
Scammer: Yes there is something wrong with …
Me: Oh no, there are flames. There’s smoke coming out. It is on fire. What can I do?
Scammer: Please sir…
Me: Should I throw a bucket of water on it or should I try blow the flames out?
Scammer hangs up.
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February 23, 2022 3:48pm
- bjools
  
  You could have had much more fun than that.
  My wife used to keep them on the phone for at least 1/2 an hour.
  It would start “I’m from Microsoft….”
  After leading him on….she would close with…”Is it the same if I have and Apple Mac?….”click”.
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:06pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I have my Father’s Thunderer silver pea whistle and I blow that down the phone and tell them to F!@K OFF
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:44pm
- [email protected]
  
  Would love to do that but worried that scammer might have the ability to have your phone ring every ten minutes from 2 AM till 8 AM.
  
  Better to just hang up on them I think.
  
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  February 23, 2022 8:08pm
Loddenthinks

Well colour me shocked, even the erstwhile wokester Jim Bolger has come out criticising Ardern and telling her to “get off her high horse” which I’m not sure is just a saying, or weapons-grade trolling. If so, well played Jim, well played.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300523379/political-leaders-should-get-off-their-high-horses–jim-bolger
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February 23, 2022 4:07pm
- MCōs
  
  When Jim Bolger was PM in 1994 I went to a reception for him at the Embassy in Bangkok.
  Dad was turning 80 so I asked him if he would say happy birthday while I recorded a clip to send home.
  He agreed, but added to live a long life because “we need your taxes”.
  That went down really well with Dad who died about 18mths later!
  
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  February 23, 2022 4:49pm
  - Mike
    
    Shouldn’t Bolger have wished him a speedy demise to save the taxpayers welfare costs?
    
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    February 23, 2022 5:17pm
    - Its only I
      
      Is your minder down at the protest Mike?
      
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      February 23, 2022 6:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Points to Jim for a sense of humour
    
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    February 23, 2022 7:55pm
Maggie Pie

Ma reckons a lot of the oldies at the Village honestly believe that Cindy is taking her personal problems out on the rest of the country.
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February 23, 2022 4:28pm
cmm

A completely predictable outcome: Tarrant could have been stopped if they’d been doing more social media snooping…

These navel gazing exercises always come up with completely useless ways that something could have been avoided but are:
* Generally completely unworkable.
* Increase government intrusion.

Why stop there? There are other ways that Tarrant could have been stopped too:
1) Ban all Australians from entering NZ.
2) – or – All Australians entering NZ have to wear GPS monitoring and check in at a police station daily.
3) People with gun licenses have weekly psychological reviews.
4) Only provide gun licenses to people that are Labour party members and have Cindy’s personal blessing.

But what they are really missing is that the cops don’t need more powers. They screwed up with the existing powers. Don’t create more laws until you identify that existing laws are insufficient!

All the cops needed to do is use their existing toys properly. For instance:
1) Legitimate gun owners at the shooting range had already reported Tarrant as acting weirdly – and they did not follow up.
2) The references provided on his firearms application would not have passed scrutiny – if the cops had just applied the existing methods properly and interviewed them properly.

I have been interviewed as a reference. The level I was interviewed at would have easily denied him a license.

This was cops failing to use existing toys. They do not need new toys.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/127859677/march-15-terrorist-might-have-been-stopped-if-online-activities-had-been-monitored-coroner-hears
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February 23, 2022 4:40pm
- mawm
  
  This is usually the case. There are enough laws out there for most situations but parliament seems to think passing more makes a difference.
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:11pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Correct! I’d also add that Police had the chance to look into him when he had to get their sign off to procure a large amount of ammo (about 3,000 rounds of my memory serves me). You can go into a store and buy several boxes without breaching the volume he obviously did, but the police explanation was that “it is just an admin process”. Bollocks, you don’t need to be a trainspotter to work out that if you want to buy A LOT of ammo and police sign off is needed, it’s because it’s irregular and might be in the interests of public safety for the police to know. So, another already enacted tool they failed to use….
  
  Moving on to the politics, the subsequent overreach and impact on lawful, licensed firearms owners was a disgrace but perfectly predictable. Labour is full of urban people who have no idea of the range of legitimate, useful and desirable ways firearms are deployed daily in rural NZ. And then there is the point that firearms owners overwhelmingly don’t vote Labour, so what was the political damage anyway…?
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:09pm
Maggie Pie

And now PREGO has had to close for 10 days!

FCUK!!
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February 23, 2022 4:45pm
- Surely Knott
  
  But why aren’t they vaccinated?
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:14pm
  - mandk
    
    And you think vaccinations prevent infections?
    
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    February 23, 2022 9:49pm
- mandk
  
  Meanwhile, no revenues and the overheads stay the same.
  
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  February 23, 2022 5:20pm
Inandout

Please stop the world, I want to get off.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10540853/Woman-worlds-fattest-vagina-says-identifies-man.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_article&ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed
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February 23, 2022 5:02pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons the Reverse Bank Govenor is completely out-of-his-depth!

I just overheard telling someone …..Adrian should have increased the ORC by at least 0.75%

Fotumnately, i dont get involved in all this hi-finance shit.
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February 23, 2022 5:35pm
- Mike
  
  High finance = hi-finance = hi-fi
  Sounds right to me.
  
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  February 23, 2022 6:20pm
TT500

Hi Maggie Pie
Have you heard anything at tennis about Clark
running off with Lourde ?
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February 23, 2022 6:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  With Lourde……. or to Lourde?
  Isn’t that where the Virgin Mary hangs out?
  Or is that Waiheke??
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:04pm
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    No Virgins in NZ, Ardern has fucked us all.
    
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    February 23, 2022 11:16pm
Pineapple Lumps

Traffic Light System may never end!

Just heard on HDPA show, Jacinda is going to use the Traffic Light system for the seasonal flu this year.

She is completely out of control but wait for the propaganda to ramp up:
– the flu will kill the vulnerable
– 1 shot for winter to protect yourself, your family, your community
– be kind while I keep your freedoms and rights, and wreck businesses and the economy

And people say the protestors are deplorable, but from where I sit the PM wages war on our country, and the majority of protesters see this for what it truely is.
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February 23, 2022 6:11pm
Pineapple Lumps

Here is the Herald article referenced by HDPA

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-jacinda-ardern-plots-path-to-end-of-some-vaccine-mandates-but-warns-omicron-wave-will-hit-first
[Link missing. mod]
Ardern cautioned that the traffic light system was likely to remain in place for the winter to combat not just Covid, but the return of the flu, following two winters where the flu has been kept largely at bay thanks to Covid measures.
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February 23, 2022 6:18pm
- marcw
  
  Interesting to speculate why it’s gone – HDPA hit a nerve? Instructions from the 9th floor? … remember the $105 million Mr Herald, hint hint.
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:22pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Just my fat fingers sorry.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-jacinda-ardern-plots-path-to-end-of-some-vaccine-mandates-but-warns-omicron-wave-will-hit-first/T5WKTX7MHCF3A6XKJOG63TUSUI/
  
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  February 23, 2022 7:30pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Oh the flu now! Will I need a flu jab to visit my local cafe now? Or demonstrate I voted Labour? Where does it end….
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:11pm
alloytoo

Ah well, Covid has hit the family

#1 son’s RAT test came back positive, mine produced an error but the entire family are suffering the same symptoms.

FYI. it feels like a middle to serious flu, not nearly as bad as Chemo.
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February 23, 2022 6:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Nasal irrigation and throat gargles (betadine, or salt water if you have nothing else), may reduce severity of disease.
  
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  February 23, 2022 10:31pm
Its only I

Been watching the police trying to form lines in front of the protestors.
The lack of practice has always been a problem, at least none fell over or they would have had to arrest or belt the living shyt out of who ever was laughing among the protestors.

It seem the lower PCT requirements are getting a bit out of hand and probably xl sizes for the vests, never been able to describe the marching as jiggling before.

I guess the consequences of no fitness helps with the Police funding issues as so few cops are needed to form the same length line plus its much deeper.

Down side to a physically unfit cop is the massive increased risk of mental health issues plus the lack of physical ability creates excuses to elevate to the next tactical option early….like reaching through past your mate to gouge an eye and land a few cowardly slaps from the safety of being just out of range. Whoever managed to land those injuries and get it in Labours papers wont be buying the beer on Friday.
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February 23, 2022 6:39pm
TT500

Lord knows
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February 23, 2022 7:17pm
TT500

Greybeard , how correct you are, they are going
to the protest to get free food because they have no
income after losing their jobs due to the mandates.
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February 23, 2022 8:02pm
Ian Boag

losing their jobs

There are people that I talk to who feel that these people abandoned their jobs because all they had to do was get vaxxed.

Just saying. Downtick me to death why don’t you.
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February 23, 2022 8:12pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Some people have principles… Some Ians dont.
  
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  February 23, 2022 9:24pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I have done so, Ian. Your attitude towards people driven from their jobs because they asserted their right to bodily autonomy is repugnant.
  
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