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June 10, 2022 3:00pm by David Farrar

Espiner on Luxon

Guyon Espiner has done a lengthy interview and article on Christopher Luxon, which is worth taking the time to read and watch.

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Mike H S

A good read and a little inciteful into the inner workings of the man.

I have to admit that when I read “Yes, he’s white, male, rich, bald and Christian. He’s even middle aged. But despite those sins ..” I almost called it quits. So suggesting that being white, male, rich, bald and Christian are sins gives an indication of where this woke interviewer’s mind is positioned.

The whole article was interesting and I think it gives the reader an indication of where Mr Luxon might take the country.

I suspect my voting preference won’t change after reading the article but I wish him well.
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June 10, 2022 3:12pm
- Dave
  
  Being bald is a sin? A tongue-in-cheek catalog of some non-charismatic features which probably won’t attract wokesters is the point here, rather than denunciation.
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:11pm
- David Garrett
  
  Espiner is a nasty lefties prick…
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:45pm
  - amospicton
    
    I agree David which is why articles like this are interesting. Espiner would have loved to do a hatchet job but struggled to find the grounds for doing so. Much as many on here, myself included, would prefer a much more strident stance on many issues priority number one has to be winning next year and that means taking votes off Labour. He’s well and truly on track to do that.
    
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    June 10, 2022 4:48pm
  - Colville
    
    DG…he is a RNZ churnalist….they would have poisoned his tea if he ever had a right wing thought!
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:01pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “…they would have poisoned his tea if he ever had a ~~right wing~~ sensible thought!”
      
      That’s better.
      
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      June 10, 2022 11:41pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes he is. When he was TV1 political editor, he used to present the opinion poll results (National flying sky high) with a sad face. Card carrying Labour member for sure.
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:39pm
  - curry4me
    
    He wouldn’t be working for the team of 55 million if he wasn’t.
    
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    June 10, 2022 6:29pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  the constant labelling these journo’s/critics do of stale, white pale male is deeply concerning and controlling the narrative and setting the tone.
  Also reinforces the stereotype. So boring this article which is reflective of Espiner’s style – boring.
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:02pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Don’t fret, Harry. It’s becoming self-parody at this point.
    
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    June 11, 2022 9:02am
- Ruawai
  
  Imagine if someone wrote of Rawhiti that his sins are being bald, brown, male and tattooed.
  
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  June 10, 2022 6:30pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Mike H S – I am hoping when you say – “I suspect my voting preference won’t change” – you are party voting ACT and electorate voting National right? OR you are smitten by Cindy and voting Labour like the traitors of Taranaki in 2020??
  
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  June 10, 2022 9:32pm
My

I dunno.. If the intro paragraph reflects Espiner’s real thoughts and paradigms it’s hard to take him seriously. “He’s white, male, bald, rich and Christian, BUT he’s also championed gender pay equity and the rainbow community, worked to halt human trafficking and environmentalists rate his climate change credentials.” Like they are typically exclusive.
Most, white, male, bald, rich and Christian guys I know are pretty supportive of pay equity (equal work, equal pay), support, or at least don’t have a problem with most of the gay stuff and want to look after the environment.
A couple of paragraphs in calls, white, male, rich, bald, Christian, middle aged, sins. I thought I was doing ok with the old ones… greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth. But will have to have another go at it I guess.
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June 10, 2022 3:19pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  It was Espiner displaying or projecting his own sins, as is often the case. Envy is writ large on his miserable face.
  
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  June 10, 2022 11:44pm
stewmar

Luxon would out wit Ardern in a one on one debate. He’s our next PM
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June 10, 2022 3:26pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is all we have, people that say no, must be happy with the chilling damage being done by Ardern
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:08pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “He is all we have”
    
    Wow, that sounds like a winning campaign slogan. Something we can really get behind and use to fire up the troops.
    
    Luxon is bringing a knife to a gun fight. If Luxon and his insipid National colleagues are all we have, then it’s time to look for something else. More of the same is not good enough anymore.
    
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    June 10, 2022 6:15pm
    - Lenticular
      
      Exactly, voting for something that’s 5% better than Labour is voting for 95% of the same agenda, and stifles any chance for something better.
      
      In the US and Australia (partially), conservatives are regaining control of their party; in Europe several of the old establishment centre right parties are dead. I’m not settling for voting for people who hate me and my beliefs any more.
      
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      June 10, 2022 10:50pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      We have two choices, Luxon or Ardern , I guess you prefer the later, what crap about a k idea to a gun fight, look what is happening to Labour, they are stuffed, and a Māori caucus ass kicking is coming, they have threatened to walk, just let’s see what happens, Luxon will know more about what is happening than us
      
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      June 11, 2022 12:46am
- Ra Henare
  
  His activity in Question time suggests he has a long way to go to get the better of Jacinda.
  
  She has had years of practice. Him, only a few months.
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:20pm
  - Colville
    
    Agreed.
    JA will best Him in debate …not on substance but in waffle.
    Word soup is her speciality.
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:33pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She won’t be there in the debates,
      
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      June 11, 2022 12:48am
    - Tricati
      
      aided and abetted by a defense running Mallard – If Ardern had to face/answer the actual questions, she would be toast.
      
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      June 11, 2022 6:45am
  - redeye
    
    Disagree. Fortunately Mallard wont be the moderator. Luxon only needs to press for specifics and she will flounder.
    
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    June 10, 2022 6:39pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Luxon should ask Cindy some finance related questions and the whole nation will see on TV what an empty bag she is.
      
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      June 10, 2022 9:34pm
  - Prince
    
    Parliament doesn’t matter, especially with a biased Speaker.
    
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    June 10, 2022 7:37pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You e we I’ll never get the better of the useless pm if she is not forced to answer the question
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:47am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  stewmar – If you read nasty Twitter, Ardern mauls Luxon during question time…..
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:40pm
Fisiani2

An interview with our next Prime Minister
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June 10, 2022 3:32pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  In your dreams Fisi bro…
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:41pm
103PapPap

It is easy to see the author’s anti National bias appearing throughout this ‘article’.
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June 10, 2022 3:47pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Espinor has always maintained his neutrality, he does not vote to keep his neutrality. he may have been told to push the anti nat
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep, the interview says as much about the interviewer as it does about the interviewee.
  
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  June 10, 2022 6:12pm
- mogg
  
  He does quote Simon Wilson twice.
  
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  June 10, 2022 7:19pm
coge

Luxon presented himself in a highly defensive manner, resembling agitation. “They don’t know me” “I don’t discriminate” Clearly on the latter, he doesn’t believe it himself. He unquestioningly judged hundreds of thousands of Kiwis based upon their personal vaccination status. And many others on their courage to stand for the NZ Bill of Rights. And label them with divisive, petty, disparaging names. I entreat the National Party to do the right thing here, to act in principal for NZ, and remove Chris Luxon and his deputy. The issues I’ve highlighted don’t bode well for our country, we need opposition who will oppose. Isn’t afraid of the hard stuff, and is prepared to represent us as a whole.
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June 10, 2022 3:47pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said they dont know me, but it frustrates him when people mention his faith and his topics that he will change because of said faith, i can understand his defensiveness
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:11pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    It also frustrates me that the media criticise Chris Luxon, Bill English, Judith Collins for being Christian…..yet make no mention of Michael Wood’s faith. (On his twitter account where he describes himself as “Dad, Anglican, cricket guy”.)
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:45pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      We need a hardcore Christian nationalist to right the ship, not a wet noodle Christian hobbyist Luxon. I think that the worse secular society proves itself to be, the more fertile the ground becomes for a reactionary rolling-back of liberal dogmas. The Crusaders, for instance, or the Teutonic knights of the Holy Roman Empire were hardcore Christians and real tough men, and they did alright.
      
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      June 10, 2022 6:20pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        So Rodie. What do you do with the non-KB bit of your day? Anyway – maybe it is time for you come out from behind your handle and offer your services to the nation. NZ or Russia – who cares ….
        
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        December 10, 2021 6:42pm
      - Lenticular
        
        The Crusaders failed, and fatally weakened Constantinople to boot. The Teutonic Knights mostly only fought Christian Russians.
        You know who did succeed? The Roman martyrs. Polycarp. Paul. Justin.
        And non martyrs who faithfully worked with their hands and lips to propagate the Gospel. Wesley, Spurgeon.
        And Jesus himself.
        
        You’re absolutely right that these fake, wet, wimpy Christians don’t glorify God, but you don’t understand what actually does, or why Christianity was such a success.
        
        You hate what the world has become which is great; you’re so close, all you need to do is repent and believe in Jesus.
        
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        June 10, 2022 10:09pm
- Don Beckett
  
  You’re missing the point – which is to get rid of this lying deceitful marxist government – then we can sort the finer details.
  
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  June 10, 2022 4:27pm
  - coge
    
    Casually disregarding the legislated personal rights of all New Zealanders, is hardly a trivial matter. I’m curious to know, which of our rights Chris Luxon actually supports. All of them, or just ‘some’ of them? One day you, or someone close to you, might need those rights. Under a Luxon led Govt, you’ll have a PM who has clearly demonstrated an unwillingness to respect your rights. As I’ve said, the prospect doesn’t bode well for NZ.
    
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    June 10, 2022 4:40pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    NZdrs are generally sensible people: we’re going to vote this Govt out while we’ve still got enough of a democracy left to do it with.
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:03pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Kiwikids: “ NZdrs are generally sensible people”
      Yep, I used to think so too. Then Coronavirus came along and showed me that most Kiwi’s are sheep. Sad but true. Look around at all those still wearing face coverings, regardless of where, just still complying. 🤯
      
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      June 11, 2022 9:59am
  - David Garrett
    
    Don: And ur assuming that Luxon can deliver us from the Princess…I’m far from sure of that..
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  OK coge, who would you replace them with?
  You really sound like a desperate Labour fanboy.
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:10pm
  - Mike H S
    
    Actually I see those comments as being further out to the right rather than supporting Labour.
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:23pm
  - coge
    
    Funny you assume I support Labour. I’ve voted National for thirty years. But I won’t be under the present leadership. The other parties in Parliament are no better. Changing of their respective leaders, who presided over the ongoing violations of our rights, will give these parties a fresh start. There is a huge bloc of stray votes out there, that need a home. Luxon won’t be getting any of them.
    
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    June 10, 2022 5:24pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Fine, don’t vote. See where that gets you.
      
      Few voters get exactly what they want. It’s a question of the least of the evils on offer. And that’s democracy, my friend.
      
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      June 10, 2022 6:15pm
      - Lenticular
        
        We’re going to take you with us; you and National should have addressed our concerns rather than telling us to bend over. I won’t vote for 5% less wokeness; I’d rather suffer in the hope that my children may get to rebuild rather than condemn them to seeing their nation decline their whole life like I have.
        
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        June 10, 2022 10:15pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I agree fully. The once meaningful political divide between the parties is now only apparent. Nobody will get my vote unless they do something substantial to earn it. Luxon and others lost my allegiance with their weak acquiescence to unjustified Covid policy and the accompanying arrogant dismissal of dissenters such as myself. Screw them, I owe them nothing whatsoever.
      
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      June 10, 2022 6:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        New Conservatives? Obviously not TOP …
        
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        June 10, 2022 6:47pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh ffs, the old COVID bullshit again, look what happened to Bridges and Nats when he started push Labour on COVID , 46% Feb 2020 just before COVID, and high 20s because he criticised
        
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        June 11, 2022 12:55am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      I have little time for Luxon or National but really… fuck off. You’re a lefty troll.
      
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      June 10, 2022 8:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then good luck with ya stupidity and helping Cindy back in
      
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      June 11, 2022 12:52am
Surely Knott

Everything is framed through the journalists identity lens but only for some.

I’ve never saw Ardern or Robertson labelled in a headline by their skin colour and their physical flaws, or their bank account.

I couldn’t give a rats about his hair or lack of it or Jacinda’s looks. But I do think his attitude during the mandates was appalling. He failed to stand up for people’s civil rights and their right to bodily autonomy. And climate change….sigh.
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June 10, 2022 4:01pm
- Cassandra
  
  Don’t fight battles you can’t win, Surely. Although I suspect he might think his Mercedes is making the Earth warmer. The middle is where lots of votes are. Then after the election the horse trading begins.
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:15pm
Zoro

I came away from reading this like I had just had an encounter with a wet dish rag. This guy seems to want to have a bob each way. Imagine having to put up with him at a dinner party.
At least he’ll have the intention of wishing to do no harm but don’t expect any reform by rolling back the welfare state from this guy. PM will be another tick on the CV.
I’ll still be voting Act and hopefully if in tandem with National it will be able to bring some change.
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June 10, 2022 4:24pm
freedom101

Where is Luxon on the burning issue of the day – equal franchise and co-governance? This is a glaring gap in the interview. Does he support the modern interpretation of The Treaty as a partnership or does he believe that the Treaty established a democracy of one people, equal before the law, with equal rights?

Maybe he agreed not to go there in an interview with the state broadcaster. If so, that’s a worrying harbinger for the future.
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kiwikidsnz

I worked for Unilever myself for over 25 years, including where Luxon started his own career. He was a genuine person not up himself & interested in how the whole business worked together, not just Marketing (in recent decades the business became much more silo’d).

While Espiner sneers at deodorants: it should be remembered that Unilever is a Euro 50Bpa business with 400 brands in nearly 200 countries serving 3B consumers daily (over half in emerging markets) with 150k people (a third of the NZ public service. A company where failure wasn’t an option.
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June 10, 2022 4:35pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  May be Espinner doesn’t use deodorants…just a thought…
  
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  June 10, 2022 5:43pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep, Lefties have no idea about what real success looks like. Someone like Guyon has clearly never worked for large corporates, never seen what it takes to provide humanity with the goods & services that we take for granted.
  
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  June 10, 2022 6:19pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Yes and Unilever/Lever Brothers has been in business for over a 100 years already
    
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    June 10, 2022 7:33pm
  - Lenticular
    
    Didn’t Unilever end up completely woke? They own Gillette, right?
    
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    June 10, 2022 10:16pm
Harry Knuts

this article reminds me of the shit that the womens weekly used to spit out. Espiner has well and truly gone down even further in my view of him.
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June 10, 2022 5:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For 5 years we’ve lived in the Jacinda personality framework where faux kindness and shallow slogans are meant to be worthy substitutes for competence and hard work.

I have no desire to “like” our Prime Ministers or know about their religion or sex life… just as I don’t have any great desire to enquire deeply into the inner workings of my Dentist’s/ rubbish collector’s/ car mechanic’s life.

I just want them to be competent and carry out the job I’m paying them to do to the best of their ability.
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June 10, 2022 5:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Still shooting for the top, eh Maggy!
  
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  June 10, 2022 6:20pm
Hebe123

“My faith is actually about tolerance, compassion – not discriminating, not rejecting people. That’s what I think my faith is abouT.”

Yeah we all saw that in feb/ March. Liar.
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June 10, 2022 5:13pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Those are not the words of a leader. A real leader delineates himself from others (necessarily excluding people and ideas) and then convinces people to follow him. Luxon seems to just want to follow what others want. If he is just going to follow someone else, then that someone may as well be in his position. His indistinctness makes him redundant.
  
  Why have tolerance and compassion for people who hate you, based on your faith? Madness. Jesus brought a sword to the world, after all. If he is not willing to discriminate and reject people and their ideas, then this shows that he has no principles. If anyone can be X and X is a fluid concept, then X is a meaningless designation.
  
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  June 10, 2022 6:36pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Deep Rodo … deep …
    
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    June 10, 2022 7:57pm
  - Lenticular
    
    That’s not Christianity. Jesus’ sword is a metaphor for division, not violence. In that same passage, he describes conflicts between family members, describes the one sided persecution of Christians by the wicked, and then commands his followers to take up his cross and follow him, followed by telling his disciples that whoever saves his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will find it. The preceding passages in the same discourse are directly on the topic of persecution.
    
    See Matt 10; you read Dostoevsky, I’m sure you can correctly interpret a straightforward Bible passage in its local context.
    
    You are rightly reacting to compromised liberal Christianity, but what you’re replacing it with is equally unmoored from the Bible and the teachings and example of Jesus, who will return and judge the living and the dead, and execute perfect justice. Even as a secularist, you must appreciate that wilfully denying a clear, repeated Bible teaching is a denial of the truth of the Bible and fatal to any claim of internal consistency.
    
    Christians need to be utterly uncompromising on breaching God’s law (unlike that cowardly woke capitalist Luxon), but in all other regards are clearly mandated to return good for evil and die to self. When we compromise in either direction, the church dies.
    
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    June 10, 2022 10:33pm
chukar

Until a manifesto appears with firm promises to keep those values it is just all words.
Then the integrity or otherwise of the leader and his party becomes crystal clear ,sadly, usually only after election.
Won’t give many examples but both Bolger and Lange are proof of the above!
Mr Luxon does not have a political record yet so we have to wait,first for the manifesto and second for actions
Where is the “binding “ manifesto “?
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June 10, 2022 5:28pm
wilderbeast

Sounds like a soulless establishment type to me. I’d rather vote for a piece of cardboard
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June 10, 2022 6:20pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Good, please vote for Poto Williams.
  
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  June 10, 2022 9:36pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Never. She’s far more dangerous than a piece of cardboard.
    
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    June 11, 2022 12:09pm
- ScrubOne
  
  A lot of people did, last time.
  
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  June 10, 2022 9:47pm
DistantObserver

So here is the problem with Luxon: far too Woke.

Last week the Maori Party presented some petition to parliament to change the name of the country to Aotearoa.
When media asked Luxon for comment, instead of using it as an opportunity to lay siege to the government for their lack of action on all manner of things, he began discussing the premise/merits or otherwise of a referendum on the subject.

Isn’t this basic politics 101? When given an opportunity to hammer a completely incompetent and out-of-touch govt. you should take it.
Nobody cares about a distraction of a name change when the country is circling the drain.
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