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Yvette

… the vehicle for the left’s real power grab

A Commenter yesterday in General Debate referenced this article –

Are the Woke Morally Superior?
… what ultimately fuels Wokeness on a personal level: a delusional sense of moral superiority because it’s that moral superiority that is the vehicle for the left’s real power grab.

… Decades ago, China invaded Tibet. China then murdered many and destroyed much of the Tibetan culture.

How did China justify this? Its narrative was roughly this: Tibet was once part of China, and now we want to reclaim it. Therefore, this invasion is justified.

No one in Tibet believed this. And neither did anyone in China, it seemed.

But it didn’t matter.

The story was a mere fig leaf, a rationalization. For the Left, words aren’t about truth. They’re about power. Lies are tactics of war. They think they’re at war, so they lie.
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Sound familiar?
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Even if everyone eventually sees through the con of Wokeism, it might matter as little as China’s lie about Tibet. By then, the shift might already be complete.

The point is power. The aim of Wokeism is to fool people into voluntarily creating an authoritarian police state. The rationalization is that we need an army of bureaucrats and apparatchiks in every institution to stamp out racism and sexism wherever they see it.

But the brains behind wokeism don’t care about actually stamping out racism and sexism. The real goal is to create an army of bureaucrats and apparatchiks. By the time enough people understand what’s really happening, the narrative will have already served its purpose and can then be discarded. The point wasn’t eliminating intolerance: the point was the army of empowered bureaucrats.

This game isn’t over yet, but the Wokesters have already taken over many of our institutions and fooled many of our leaders. Far too many people with real power believe the con, love the taste of cheap moral superiority and don’t even understand the dangerous game they’re playing.

Destroying the average Wokesters’ imaginary moral superiority is a critical step. Everyone wants to be morally superior, but nobody wants to be part of a sleazy, deceitful con game.

We must relentlessly expose Wokeism for what it is. There’s still time.
But not much.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/07/are_the_woke_morally_superior.html

What if “co-governance” was to cause a situation like Tibet, as China saw it, or the Ukraine, as Russia currently sees it?
Do we see it coming here?

From the same article – The mistake is in the reductionism. This approach reduces the entire moral universe down to very few minor qualities while pretending to cover the entire picture. But skin color, gender, and so on are superficial traits. Everyone agrees on this. (It’s the whole point, really.) These aren’t good ways to measure beings. Yet reducing human beings down to superficial traits—and mandating that the entire world must be rearranged according to these traits—is a central premise of Wokeism. The error lies in the act of reduction. There’s more to human beings than all this.

“Co-governance” is in the “3 Waters” legislation currently going through Parliament.
So where is the “national conversation” on “co-governance”?
And how will government reduce the complex issues to Ardern’s slogans?
The mistake is in the reductionism – see above – and sloganising is surely one ultimate form of reductionism.

Sorry about the length of this comment, but should I have reduced it?

And my added remarks – just above – may be how conspiracy theories are formed –”What is Ardern really doing with “co-governance”, and promoting a minority ethnic group above all others?” – so please feel free to tear this comment apart, or downtick it to hell.
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July 30, 2022 8:03am
- RockyJ
  
  It is interesting to see who supports Wokeism over on LinkedIn. It is usually people in academia or people who do not describe themselves in terms of real jobs. Also by those with their noses in the trough, eg government employees and contractors, consultants to iwi etc.
  My conclusion is that Wokeism (and therefore Jacinda) are supported by people who are frustrated in some way.
  Those opposing Wokeism are often business owners or self-employed.
  The bulk of LinkedIn followers, who are in corporate roles, sit on the sidelines and make no comments. They are afraid of affecting their career prospects by taking a stand on anything.
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    LinkedIn is for corporate networking. There are any other number of social media empires for personal aggrandisement.
    
    And yes, I agree with you.
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:06am
    - RockyJ
      
      I had a hard think, Bollocks, before I posted on LinkedIn by ripping in to Ardern and the slow coup she was engineering. I think I was one of the first.
      I got 79,000 views and was labelled a “racist, bigot, red neck”.
      But I thought “what the hell, this issue is too big to worry about LinkedIn social niceities”.
      Now I think the algorithms keep me away from people who disagree with me. I am now in a Kiwiblog like echo chamber.
      But I put the willies up a lot of the wokerati in the process.
      
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      July 30, 2022 7:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    The danger is it has got into the Crony Capitalist world / activist investing.
    
    See Larry Fink CEO at Blackrock .
    
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    July 30, 2022 12:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  but should I have reduced it?
  
  My advice is yes…
  
  On some occasions I view KB comments on my cell phone. It’s a nuisance having to scroll through a screed.
  
  The one above could have been spread over 2 or 3 posts.
  
  An upside of having trolls on this site is that you get an opportunity to furnish more information when they make slimy asides on your posts.
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:57am
  - Yvette
    
    Sorry, Maggi – I did not realise that.
    I am one of the three people left in New Zealand who does not have a cell phone
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:02am
    - Alwyn Poole
      
      I don’t. Was I in your three or have I increase the count by 25%.
      
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      July 30, 2022 10:45am
      - Yvette
        
        Alwyn, we don’t apparently count – so nobody really knows how many of us there are.
        
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        July 30, 2022 11:24am
      - RalphT
        
        Alwyn, for someone concerned about education standards in this country you should know better. While you may now be 25% of those without a cell phone, adding one to Yvette’s three increases the population count by 33%…
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:29pm
      - chuk
        
        Alwyn! Remedial ‘rithmetic for you.
        
        Moving from 3 to 4 is a 33.3333% increase.
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:55pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Oh dear. The increase would be by 33.3%.
        
        The difference between mark up and margin.
        
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        July 30, 2022 1:35pm
      - Alwyn Poole
        
        Dear Team
        So sorry. I am once again humbled. The only excuse was that my abacus is broken.
        AP
        
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        July 30, 2022 3:19pm
- glowworm
  
  Great comment Yvette, not too long. The similarity between Ardern and Trudeau is frightening. Jordan Peterson posted this video recently on YouTube on the sorry state of Canada. Much of it applies to NZ. Worth watching.
  
  https://youtu.be/6fCB8IUGdKY
  
  And this from Sky news Australia who interview Seymour recently.
  
  https://youtu.be/ZstF-QHV-hE
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    ` The similarity between Ardern and Trudeau is frightening’.
    
    She is his WIFE you know – that must be right because Donald Trump said/thought so.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:42am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Trump is a funny guy!
      
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      July 30, 2022 1:51pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  So the Germans are having cold showers because Putins turned off the gas supply. Meanwhile China and India are building coal fired power stations apace to ensure their supply. New Zealand will need to double its energy supply by 2040 to meet projected demand.
  If our pollies had brains instead of sawdust in their heads they would be building hydro dams ( not allowed) drilling for oil and gas (not allowed) and looking at the small scale nuke plants Rolls Royce are developing ( not allowed). Forget wind and solar. Too expensive unreliable and the turbines kill the birds.
  How do these bozos plan on powering all the lecky vehicles they are promoting. What about increased industrial capacity. What about population growth. I see no evidence they have a plan and as the old saying goes if you fail to plan you plan to fail.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:38am
  - KH
    
    My solar sends more out the gate than it brings in. What’s your problem with that?
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:51am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Timing.
      
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      July 30, 2022 10:41am
    - CJames
      
      And the other consumers are subsidising your connection to the grid. Solar is great for generating when power isn’t needed.
      
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      July 30, 2022 10:51am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        We’re off grid but we’re standalone. It’s not “free” energy. It cost a lot of money to install and it costs money to keep power going when the sun doesn’t shine. Solar hot water helps a lot. I can’t recommend that one enough. It also costs money to maintain the system. Batteries need replaced around 12 years in and aren’t cheap.
        What it does do is it gives us energy independence and the ability to chuckle when there is a power cut in Auckland. Not wishing ill on those affected.
        
        As a footnote, we had no choice. Tying into the grid wasn’t an option.
        
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        July 30, 2022 11:55am
      - [email protected]
        
        I genuinely would like to know how other consumers are subsidizing solar connections?
        
        ” In the year to December 2020, 159,000 megawatt-hours of electricity was generated by solar power, or 0.37% of all electricity generated in the country.”
        
        Unless the country stops using 99.63% of all power during the day when solar is generating then the solar being sent into the grid is being used by consumers. The power companies pay around $0.085 per Kwh for solar energy sent into the grid. Roughly what the same as the wholesale costs. They sell this to consumers at $0.25 – $0.35 per Kwh.
        
        Any solar energy used helps keep the water levels up in the dams to be used when energy needs go up such as in the late afternoon and early morning.
        
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        July 30, 2022 1:47pm
      - CJames
        
        You are another one who has no understanding of how things work cruz. Most of the distribution charges are for infrastructure, not kWh. The infrastructure needs to be sized for peak load – 7pm on a frosty night and solar does nothing to reduce that. If things were equitable to all consumers, the distribution cost would be about $5 a day and 2c a unit.
        The solar just means a bigger duck curve and they need to run more thermal over the peaks (hydro is invariably tapped out). so the contribute to the gas emissions.
        
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        July 30, 2022 4:41pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ideologues don’t plan. They bulldoze based on a misplaced sense of superiority. That’s why it is so moronic.
    
    The whole issue of charging of the electric vehicles problem should have doomed this current “Agenda 2030” to the garbage can where it belongs. But Ardern and others are too far into it now to ever admit they are horrendously wrong as she was with her covid response.
    
    The tragedy is she doesn’t care that she will drag us all to our doom due to her narcissism and misplaced sense of pride. Truly the worst PM in NZ history. As Turdeau is in Canada, Macron is in France and Truss is about to become in the UK.
    For those who weren’t paying attention, Truss is another product
    of the WEF.
    
    The “conspiracy theory” jigsaw puzzle now has all four corners in place and starting to fill in rapidly. There are quite a few who are going to get the shock of their lives as the picture comes into stark relief.
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:53am
  - oldfella
    
    LMS: I assume these are the kinds of modern nuclear power options you mean.
    https://www.westerninvestor.com/british-columbia/saskatchewan-ontario-to-roll-out-mini-nuclear-reactors-5568249
    If even Canada is getting onboard, Cindy should have a chat about it with her good buddy, Justin. After getting the okay to do so from Jimmy two-mums of course. //
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:00am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Some say that failing is the point. Control the middle classes by rationing access to electricity, cars etc etc. Not dissimilar to post war Eastern Europe, for example.
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:09am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly. Destroy the economy. Reduce human activity, of course not for the rich and powerful who will only be slightly inconvenienced by energy and resource prices. Back to feudalism we go. But there will undoubtedly be a massively destabilising and destructive backlash. It will kill millions if not billions, directly and indirectly. It happened before and it’s happening again.
      
      “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
      
      The only difference this time is that it looks like a deliberate policy to effect the “great reset” and Agenda 2030. Break it and rebuild it.
      
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      July 30, 2022 11:52am
- blue collar
  
  That’s what was great about trump , winston peters and even Seymour .
  They just don’t care and are strong enough to tear the media , wokesters , screaming libtards apart .
  Wokeism can be shut down and binned .
  Do it daily if you come across it .
  Clean out institutions when the adults get back in .
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ironically, the Chinese claim to Tibet is based on the fact that both China & Tibet were part of tge Mongol Empire.
  
  They keep quiet about that little gem.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:04am
  - Dave
    
    China also occupied Tibet more recently during the Qing dynasty but, as I understand it, international law does not acknowledge past occupation as justification for contemporary territorial claims.
    
    Otherwise, all sorts of extravagant, conflicting and disruptive claims would be awaiting adjudication.
    
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    July 30, 2022 1:26pm
- gravedodger
  
  Sheesh Yvette Hell was much closer than I thought, only two clicks away at 1044 , who knew?
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:45am
- JohnRidd
  
  You should check out this post at bad cattitude.
  
  I think you will like it.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/believe-in-something-even-if-it-wrecks
  
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  July 30, 2022 5:56pm
Tricati

COP26 President, and UK Parliamentarian Alok Sharma come to NZ after flying around the Pacific to lecture NZ over its agriculture emissions. Pity he wasn’t asked, how is going in Sri Lanka after they banned nitrogen fertilisers, and the catastrophic impact it has had on that country. NZ needs to stand up to pricks like him coming here and lecturing us, and tell him to piss off.
On a positive note, isn’t Sophie Pascoe pure class and a credit to herself, family and what’s good about NZ.
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July 30, 2022 8:05am
- oldfella
  
  Tricati, following on from your Sri Lanka comments….
  Justin Trudeau Decides to Walk Down the Same Failed Green Path as Sri Lanka
  The Trudeau government unveiled their new climate plan, with a focus on reducing nitrous oxide emissions from fertilizer by 30% below 2020 levels by 2030. That plan is now coming into effect — though the government refuses to acknowledge that nitrous oxide emissions can be reduced without drastically reducing fertilizer use and thus crop production.
  Soon to be followed by little old R.T.Rower?
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:04am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWn90YdsNNI
The results are in.

Tucker Carlson has beaten the swamp to it. Monkeypox is now Schlong Covid. [0:49]
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July 30, 2022 8:05am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0KMcvwEGbQ

Damning news for Europe from Qatar.

Qatar made it perfectly clear that they can’t replace the volume of Russian Gas as they don’t have the infrastructures and there aren’t enough LNG tankers to ship such quantity. Their main customers are China, Japan, and Korea who have long term contracts. [Looks like the Fourth Reich will have to place big orders for winter woollies. Wool boom coming up? Where can I buy wool futures? //4:31]
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July 30, 2022 8:05am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Wool boom”?
  Farmers here for years have been told wool is just an inconvenient by-product of meat production.
  Very few people want wool garments, carpet, furnishings etc having been convinced by the marketers that oil based synthetics are much more convenient and cheap.
  That is what consumers want – convenient and cheap.
  Therefore, apart from the small, niche production of fine wool (merino) for high fashion garments , the wool market here is compromised and inconsistent.
  For many sheep farmers of essentially meat breeds, wool costs more to harvest and dispose of than can be recouped in income.
  This will take a long time to turn around.
  And most people have no idea of the compliance costs, regulations and auditing requirements of producing “ethical” wool in today’s world .
  Family member produces fine merino wool used for high end merino clothing. He recently was audited by the customer. 90% of the requirements had nothing to do with the actual product.
  Wool is a great natural product, but the demands of environmental and animal activists, coupled with the average person’s fixation for cheap and disposable stuff make it unlikely that there will be any wool boom here.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:36am
  - Maxx
    
    Everyone says they “want to do their part” right up until the point it hits them in the wallet or they need to change their standard of living.
    
    But Labour face this everyday when they promise the world but don’t deliver if it requires to actually do anything. Audrey Youngs piece in the Herald last week is a great example of this where she talks up all of their successes – all of which were things that can be decreed with all those that require action, planning, etc. all stalled as being “in progress”.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:06am
  - curry4me
    
    I know wool is practically worthless. I was really just having a dig at the Fourth Reich’s self inflicted energy problems. some nice NZ made winter woolies would do the trick.
    
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    July 30, 2022 8:54pm
- oldfella
  
  Curry, just imagine if we’d kept up the gas exploration Cindy canned with her captain’s call when Winston installed her on the throne?
  We could have been exporting our gas to the world by now, giving a huge boost to our depressed economy.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:08am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes I know. NZ gas exports would be a nice windfall at Christmas. I think these coming energy shortages in the Fourth Reich and the USA will ultimately kill ‘global warming’.
    
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    July 30, 2022 8:56pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes Indeed, However the big issue facing EU is the lack of LNG terminals . ie No way to discharge the Gas.
  Interesting side note Qatar and Bahrain are the wrong Muslims and vilified by the rest of the Arab World. Also US has a Large Navy base there.
  
  I do not miss Ras Laffan at all.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:19pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVRum-N12pM

NPC University Season 4 Finale.

The students are having housing problems because the uni is going to close for several months.
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July 30, 2022 8:06am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB55t_ByGpo

China Just Lost the Space Race!

China lost the Space Race by half a century, but what exactly are China’s ambitions in Space? It’s more sinister than you think! [19:32]
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July 30, 2022 8:06am
- Maxx
  
  China’s vision isn’t to be a a global superpower… it’s to be the only global superpower.
  
  They don’t have to concern themselves with electoral cycles so time is not an issue. Building influence where it is needed slowly and methodically, playing one power off another, building our reliance on them and in the background their strength for that time when the rest of the world suddenly realises the pot is almost boiling.
  
  Even if it is not completed in their lifetimes, the powers that be will be on board for the immortality that comes from historical remembrance.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:21am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes that’s a pretty good take on China’s attitude to the space race.
    
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    July 30, 2022 8:57pm
Thought Criminal

During various protests in NZ, Australia and Canada, Michael Wood, Dan Andrews and Justin Trudeau all called the people who stood up against them far right, white supremacist and Nazis.

It seems that leftist leaders are now the ones with Nazi tourettes?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nazi%20Tourettes

Is it just an extension of “everyone I don’t like is Hitler?”
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyone-i-dont-like-is-hitler

Do these leaders genuinely believe these things? Or are they a tool to demonise opposition and turn the population against them? Do the left base believe these easy to disprove slanders? Does it matter when senior politicians lie to encourage some parts of society to turn on other parts?
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July 30, 2022 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention the role the liars in the Media Pardy had and continue to play in the whole scamdemic.
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:20am
- blue collar
  
  Standard tactics . Some idiot will believe it . The politicians don’t believe it , it’s merely a way to tarnish the opposition to policies .
  It matters but everyone in history does it . The enemy eat babies kind of thing
  The trick is to record instances and smash them with it before the election
  The day the wokesters on the left try to mess with the ALL BLACKS name is the day they are doomed as a zeitgeist in Nz .
  And I reckon that day is coming
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:29am
  - RockyJ
    
    I reckon they are more likely to have a go at changing the name of the All Whites. Who really are mostly white.
    Don’t forget that only white people can be racist.
    
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    July 30, 2022 8:57am
- Nickc2
  
  It sounds to me like it’s an orchestrated and rehearsed war cry emanating from an organisation such as the WEF.
  Have you noticed how most political attack verbiage used by US TV News Anchors seems to be equally rehearsed and coordinated?
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:33am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Whether it is on network TV or social media, the world you think is real as presented to you via these media is a theatrical performance, wherein the players read and speak pre-scripted messages which emanate from the real sources of power. Outside of their immediate experience, much of the general population’s worldview is a carefully constructed lie.
    
    “Amazon pays money for this”
    
    https://gab.com/anuralight/posts/108717272526204287
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:48am
- yossarian
  
  I find it amusing that Ricardo Mendez proudly boasts that he’s a Marxist in the NZ parliament, knowing full well that Marxism was responsible for the deaths of between 80-120 million people last century and no one says Boo.
  
  What would happen if someone in parliament proudly came out as a Nazi? All hell would break lose, even though that person could factually point out that the body count was far less than Marxism, yet everyone is ok with that.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Green MP is a hypocrite.
    
    Not exactly a man-bites-dog story.
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Just goes to prove ;
    
    It’s ok when the left do it.
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:37am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    If he is a Marxist and Marxism took over in NZ he would be one of the first to be brick walled.
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:53am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Throughout most of last few 1000 years only about half of men, but 80% of women managed to have kids that survived to have kids themselves. In violent war-wracked times that sometimes dropped to less than 10%. Violent revolution favour sociopaths and psychopaths, and the woke herbivores thinking revolution is a good idea are truly turkeys voting for christmas. Homo homini lupus (man is a wolf to man)
      
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      July 30, 2022 11:26am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Uptick for Latin!
        
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        July 30, 2022 1:39pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Answering the question “why are Nazis so widely condemned in today’s society while Marxists aren’t?” is a bit like unlocking a special power in a video game. Once accomplished, you’re really off to the races.
    
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    July 30, 2022 12:47pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      The left demonise the Nazi’s because they were of the left Rodion, and after WW2, they didn’t want to be associated with them as it would be bad press. And the Nazi’s actually PLANNED the extermination of Jews. Marxism is OK because they didn’t. They just exterminated people in the killing fields of Cambodia, starved millions in Ukraine, Mao burying around 46k “intellectuals” alive, and starving 10’s of millions in the Great Leap Forward (30 million died in the 2 years between 1959 and 1961) aside from the other 10’s of millions he had killed. There are other examples that socialists just ignore.
      
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      July 30, 2022 2:36pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        No, this is wrong. The explanation for the inconsistency in contemporary condemnation of past ideologies is a lot more obvious than your contorted reasoning, if you simply look at the facts and draw some plausible inferences:
        
        “X killed many people, so X’s ideology is to be repudiated by all right thinking people.”
        
        “Y killed many more people, but Y’s ideology is still an acceptible contemporary view.”
        
        What justifies the disparity?
        
        For some reason, of all of the political ideologies that are associated with mass killing, it is only National Socialism that is beyond the pale, and this is taken as a first principle. And, like all first principles, it is not argued to, but is simply taken as given, while other propositions can be derived therefrom.
        
        What is the wrong with your suggested explanation? For a start, the Communists have a far higher body count and were hard core left wing. Shouldn’t the left want to dissociate themselves from Communism? No, some are proud Marxists. Yes, the Nazis (i.e. National Socialists) employed socialist policies, but because they were far right nationalists, this just entails that socialism is not an exclusively left-wing idea as it is often supposed, in the same way that authoritarianism is neither left or right (it is a politically neutral organising principle), while some wrongly say it is a leftist phenomenon. Moreover, do you not think that all of the great purges undertaken by all communist dictators were just as “planned” as that of the Nazis? Invariably, their preferred targets were identified, selected and eliminated, so “planning” is not exclusive to the Nazis.
        
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        July 30, 2022 3:31pm
- Paulus
  
  Currently with all the superior heirarchy away overseas it appers that the heir apparent Michael Wood is flexing his muscle, giving the impression that he is in charge, although Chippy thinks he is.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:38am
  - AitchW
    
    Michael Wood, yuk. Effete, oily and evasive. About as trustworthy as Robertson.
    
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    July 30, 2022 2:09pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Word on the street is that Wood’s nickname around the Beehive is Napoleon. Make of that what you will.
      
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      July 30, 2022 2:16pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Another rotten unionist scum
      
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      July 30, 2022 7:47pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  No they don’t believe it. Once you see it you can’t unsee it. When they don’t have an argument they won’t bother to debate. The go to is to deride, vilify and slander. This has always been a tactic but it has never been exposed as it has over the period of the covid circus.
  If you can’t debate the point then smear the author. We have a handful of those useful idiots here on KB. I don’t need to name them. They have neon lights switched on every time they comment.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:01am
Pongo

Delighted to see the Tavistok clinic in the UK has been shut down after a damning report into the way it treated children with gender dysphoria.
It looks like the UK will join the rest of Europe and ban puberty blockers to children leaving the US, Canada, Australia and NZ as the only countries where you can give 10 year olds medication that can have terrible long term consequences.
Our ministry of health still has on its website that puberty blockers effects are completely reversible, not proven in any study and there is increasing evidence there are long term issues associated with their use.
Unlike other countries NZ media maintain a blanket ban on any reporting.
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July 30, 2022 8:13am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Failed by the media again.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hard to believe that you can’t still get gender treatment in SE Asia.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:15am
Warren

When The New Zealand Public need the Media to step up and hold our rotten Government to account, what we get is the story from Grant Robertson inferring and pillorrising Chris Luxon being a John Key knockoff which has dominated the headlines in the Herald for over a week.
This from a Deputy Leader and Finance Minister of the Government that should be seen holding the Government to account on Inflation that is wrecking our economy, there is a sense of lawlessness in New Zealand with crime at a five year high and not improving, we have a Government that won’t listen on Three Waters that has devided New Zealander’s and has people inferring the Minister and her family are corrupt, a Finance Minister that minulates figures to show the Government is supposedly in charge which is far from the truth.
All this and they would rather call for our country and the people in it to only listen to them as they know best of all and the critisizem they are receiving Is misleading and misinformation.
The facts are New Zealand is a cot case and our Health System is falling apart while our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Finance Minister Grant Robertson and our Health Minister Andrew Little lie to New Zealander’s and say we only deal in facts.
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July 30, 2022 8:13am
- Philview
  
  ‘Crime at a five year high’ I doubt in our lives we have seen anything like it. Nightly gun battles, ram raids involving dozens of people etc
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Five year high .
    
    And that’s after the figures have been “massaged” .
    
    How bad would it be if there was a true accounting .
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:39am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Why would you expect the media to “hold our rotten government to account,” when the former are an element of the public-private partnership that governs us? They will never do it, because that would be effectively self-criticism. Should we sit on our hands and pray that, one day, the media will perform its putative role in a democracy? No, because they won’t. If the people are not willing to actively inform themselves, and others, and encourage them to do the same, then that is the end of a free society. Arguably, it has already ended.
  
  From the discussions that take place on most days here, it is evident that Kiwibloggers are some of the keenest consumers of corporate media output. Why? I honestly can’t say, because I find it bemusing that anyone would consume the output of the MSM as if it were somehow a good faith commentary or presentation of facts. The MSM is a walking corpse animated only by taxpayer funding, and it should be duly buried. While we can argue at the margins as to what constitutes “the MSM,” I think we all have a pretty good idea of who and what the term denotes.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:01pm
Lee C

It’s an illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect, I think.

Using ‘white supremacist’ ‘domestic terrorist’ ‘Nazi’ or ‘Anti-Semite’ are just just banal, lazy dogwhistles aimed at people with low critical thinking skills who get off on imagining they are clever.

Case in point Labour politician in Parliament post suppression of ordinary folk who were peacefully demonstrating against mandates/ ‘Rivers of Filth’.

Just lazy.

In my opinion.
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July 30, 2022 8:17am
Cassandra

Stuff has an interesting development this morning. An article (there may be more but one was enough for me, I quickly arranged a root canal procedure in preference) in which every second paragraph is in Maori. You get used to it eventually I suppose but I found it weird. A very strange way to attract readers, I would have thought.
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July 30, 2022 8:21am
- CJames
  
  I get the Saturday Dom Post and there does not seem to be any dual language articles in there. Maybe they tailor their messages for the market.
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:56am
  - Biscuit
    
    CJ, my only glancing through the execrable Dom Post is of my sister’s copies.
    
    The day they put the Daily Quiz or their Puzzles Page in other than English is the day I run amok and slaughte (My lawyers advise me to stop here so as not to prejudice any ‘Mayhem At The Dom Post’ trial(s) I might face)…
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:35am
  - Cassandra
    
    My version was online.
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:44am
- yossarian
  
  Found out yesterday that I no longer live in Hamilton, I now live in Hamilton-Kirikiriroa.
  
  I hope the post still gets through.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:27am
- O C Smith
  
  We need a ‘Maori Blocker’ similar to AdBlock. Having to skip over the Te Reo takes time.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:30am
- graham
  
  Cassandra, I gather they’ve been doing it for at least a few days now. It was mentioned earlier in the week several times.
  
  I very rarely visit Stuff now – I find their incessant virtue-signalling and insistence on blaming ‘pale stale males’ for damn near everything off-putting – so I don’t know how long they’ve been doing this. I did try reading one of these articles, but the flow of the story was just ruined and I couldn’t get into it.
  
  I may try visiting Stuff again in a few months to see if they’ve decided to return to their core business of presenting current affairs and news in an unbiased manner, but I’m in no rush. There are plenty of other quality news sites that I can get the news from.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    I do my best not to go there at all.
    
    Remember every click is counted .
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Stuff Unbiased – where do you get that from ?
    
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    July 30, 2022 10:57am
blue collar

Good morning Kiwibloggers you big beautiful bastards ! love you ya legends … good news from blue collars world
Got a $250 voucher for a nice restaurant tonight . Rare treat going out all dressed up .
Am thinking $100 on food $150 on booze and probably top that up .
$18 cocktail
$9 a beer
Wine for missus
Average $20 starter share plates x 5 , rather hv variation than a single $50 main each
Cabs , maybe hit a bar after hv a few pints n hit the dance floor …. Probably be a $400 night voucher included
I’m doing my best Nz to save the hospitality industry .
I know , I know , it’s a Noble cause , but I’ll step forward and take one for the team , someone’s gotta do it //
I assume most people spend more on booze than tucker when they go out for dinner …or are me n the missus just piss-tanks ?
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July 30, 2022 8:22am
- David Garrett
  
  Blue collar: On ya mate…New Zild needs more people like u and the missus
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:20am
Nookin

There can be little doubt that demonising the entire protest by stereotyping was a deliberate and calculated strategy. Mallard treated them as vermin. Ardern refused to talk to any of them and Wood forever branded himself as a nasty arse with his “river of filth” epithet.
Sadly, the Nats fell into a trap by agreeing not to talk to them. Labour exposed themselves as intolerant haters.
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July 30, 2022 8:26am
- blue collar
  
  Nats Totally fell in a trap there .
  Lost slot of respect and trust .
  They all did
  Never been so disgusted by leadership in my life . Across the board .
  Bar Matt king n winnie . Seymour ? Did he /didn’t he engage ?
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They never fell into any trap at all, the dictator Mallard told them they were not to speak to protesters, he was furious when the foolish Seymour met them after being told by protesters he was done
    
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    July 30, 2022 7:51pm
- kowtow
  
  Don’t forget the role the Media Pardy played in vilification etc
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nookin – never forget.
  
  https://odysee.com/@voicesforfreedom:6/freedom-village-parliament:2
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/0WNBfvFS9aG6/
  
  These people don’t have the resources of the mainstream media. The media have hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money to create propaganda on behalf of Ardern. Watch those videos, compare them to the garbage on mainstream media. Yes, this also has a bias, but it doesn’t have the phenomenal resources of the government. Make your own mind up which is closer to the truth.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:01am
Clownworld

It is no longer left vs right.

It is globalist vs individual.

It is lies vs truth.

It is humans vs transhumanists.

Left vs right is diluting the real war.

Majority vs truth.
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July 30, 2022 8:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edwards’ take on the political donations case..

https://democracyproject.nz/2022/07/28/bryce-edwards-another-trial-over-secret-political-donations/

He reports Labour’s role in this case in much greater detail than I’ve seen elsewhere.
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July 30, 2022 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  Great post .
  
  This case has to be the biggest story in town for a long time by a long shot.
  
  Relatively nothing in the msm. How queer.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Of course it did, one point of difference was the fact even though JLR fiddled Nat donations, at least they were declared, Labour got in the shit when the Asian guys in the dock said they donated the same to Labour, but none weee declared
  
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  July 30, 2022 7:53pm
greybeard

I see that Tom Scott is continuing the pathetic crusade against Chris Luxon. His stuff “cartoon” is in the Sharon Murdoch mould: venomous.
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July 30, 2022 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Thank goodness for Garrick Tremain:
  
  https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1553118317048922112
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:42am
  - kevn
    
    @Tony… Tremain is a treasure. He has been picked up via ODT and gone international on Robert Malones site.
    Lots of cartoonists can ‘read the room’ well. Scott Adams /Dilbert is another.
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:02am
    - oldfella
      
      kevn: picked up via ODT? They dumped him a while back. Have they rehired him (and would if they were a real newspaper)?
      
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      July 30, 2022 10:28am
      - kevn
        
        @old… Might have been a pre ODT exit cartoon. No date.
        
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        July 30, 2022 11:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tony – and Bob Moran.
    
    https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/other-work/smugglers-original-artwork
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:04am
- riffer
  
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  Nah, it’s pretty light hearted to be honest, much like Tremain’s one is. I think it’s good that you get cartoons taking the piss out of both leaders at the same time.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:11am
  - Prince
    
    But only the anti-Luxon ones make it to Stuff.
    
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    July 30, 2022 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Clearly the left are losing if they try this shit
  
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  July 30, 2022 7:54pm
peterwn

So NZME have had to make a humiliating defamation settlement with Clarke Gayford. I remember seeing the false claim at some point and thought ‘oh golly’ this will cause trouble for him and Jacinda but forgot about it because it was not repeated elsewhere. It was a nasty claim – I hope the damages were on the high side. Media interns were involved – one would have thought they would have been given some training about need for accuracy and consequences of defamation before being let loose on the media.
Reminds me of when a radio announcer (of the old Government owned NZBC) said on air that Rob Muldoon’s son had been busted for drugs (which he had not). Rob was not amused and put his usual defamation lawyer on the case who claimed a scalp. A NZBC lawyer I knew said to me at the time ‘what can you do apart from sacking the announcer and settling the best you can’.
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July 30, 2022 8:35am
- Ross Campbell
  
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  I’m sure the good folks on KB will join in your condemnation for people who share gossip,rumors and other untruths about Clarke Gayford.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ross – looking at the upticks they did. 21-0 when I looked.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:07am
- riffer
  
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  Yeah, perhaps they fell into the trap of thinking that because so many people were repeating the lies that they had to be true. At one stage I was seeing this disinformation all over social media, including this place. NZME will also have their hands full I imagine soon defending their (untrue) claims about the Souixsie Wiles documentary. Silly, really.
  
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  July 30, 2022 9:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    As I said the other day, there’s a difference between not proven and not true. Best just leave it at that. Same applies to the Wiles story.
    If anyone should be sued for defamation it’s Michael Wood.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:10am
- oldfella
  
  peterwn; this kind of action can also produce the ‘Streisand effect’ – giving the original story/claim unwanted oxygen.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  Our libel laws are pretty strict compared with say the US where the Constitution handles free speech. If Trump were a NZ politician the years of lies and misinformation about him would be minimal. We have a certain respect for politicians’ family privacy but sometimes question why Jacinda is wont to display her daughter at every opportunity.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  One thing is for sure, the story says his boat was captured in Tonga, please note they have gone out of their way to say he has never been charged in NZ who says he won’t be charged in Tonga? Next year in May the so called well known NZer will be in court, so who is it?
  
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  July 30, 2022 7:58pm
Cara

This is a comment following:
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/28/by-focusing-on-truss-and-sunaks-squabbles-we-forget-labours-divisions-and-the-threat-they-pose/

“I am an Englishman living in New Zealand which is often described as a testing ground for left wing ideology. I wonder which of NZ Labour’s current policies will be taken on by UK Labour as some of it is very extreme.
• The establishment of a race based Health Authority to sit alongside the equivalent of the NHS.
• In the process of establishing industrywide terms and conditions for employment which will greatly reduce the ability of an employer to control their staffing negotiations.
• The movement of control of the nation’s water supply to a race based model.
• Making noises that traditional democracy is a white supremacist tool that penalises minorities and using Trump and Brexit as examples of white based oppression of minorities. Watch this space.
• Change the focus of the Reserve bank (equivalent of Bank of England) to ending racial inequity. With this in mind the new Board has no economists but some rather strange skillsets. One board member is academic with expertise in facial tattoos.
• Establishment an oversight board over the intelligence services made up of left wing radicals.
• The establishment of non-elected race based seats on all councils with full voting rights.
• Establishment of a public service journalism fund to ensure a progressive voice in the media with strings attached to promote racial co-governance and the money has to be paid back if journalists write stuff the Government doesn’t like. Coupled with this massive advertising contracts which seem tied to turning down advertising from sources the Government doesn’t like.
• Merging of the nation’s polytechnics into one entity.
• The emptying out of prisons with a goal that the level of race in prisons is equivalent to proportion of general population.
• Recently legalised self-ID of gender.
• In NZ a website equivalent to this one found itself under police surveillance for spreading an anti-government message. Even the people leaving comments were under scrutiny. Journalists were looking through comments of right leaning websites.
Such stuff seems weird in a democracy. I could go on but UK Labour will be looking at these ideas and Jacinda Ardern didn’t promote many of these ideas in advance. Ardern has said she wants to implement change that can’t be undone by future right wing governments.”
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July 30, 2022 8:35am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you need to post this on whatever the UK equivalent of Kiwiblog is.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:20am
Ruahine

The Herald has found Brian Tamaki ‘guilty’ of speeding. It is so good that The Herald can help out the Court.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/destiny-church-leader-brian-tamaki-charged-after-road-crash-in-rotorua/DZRHOE7ZIXODIDN3WTINS4ZUW4/
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July 30, 2022 8:43am
- MCōs
  
  “The elderly man driving the car tried to swerve right but was unsuccessful, and both vehicles’ passenger sides collided at speed, the (police) summary alleges.”
  
  That’s the only reference to speed in the article.
  
  The Apostle Brian Tamaki, Bishop of Wiri, allegedly, was possibly driving on the wrong side of road.
  I wonder if he was looking at his phone.
  No doubt it’ll all come out if him or his offsider swear on the Holy Bible to tell the whole truth so help them God.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:27am
Lee C

Good friend of mine formerly National Voter (unvaccinated) went ot see Seymour’s ACT roadsahow. She has now joined ACT and will vote for him.

National called her asking for funds. She replied. “Funny you didn’t want me to go into a supermarket because I was unvaxxed. But now you are calling me asking for money. So when did my money become good again?”

I don’t think she used the actual words: ‘You can piss up a rope.”

The ba-zing was implied.
Personally, I will never vote National again.

I’m traditionally a tactical voter – but having to endure watching their public bitch-slapping by Ardern and their cowardice over the Wellington (God Bless Them) Protesters were the final straws..

I implore you all to join us and vote ACT.
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July 30, 2022 8:52am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m still waiting for Bishop to respond re their mask policy for children. They appear to be clinging to the delusion that the centre is their liferaft. It isn’t. For many of us their policies come across as weak.
  Sure, “anybody but Ardern” will fly, but it will only be in desperation.
  I need to find out ACT’s policy on masking children. Adults can make their own mind up. But the recent bullying of the schools to do Ardern’s dirty work for her has been gross.
  
  If anyone has any links let me know. Otherwise I’ll contact them directly. Thank you.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:14am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then she is an idiot, ACT were one of the more vocal parties about mandates, Bats are the only party saying get rid of mandates and have done since early December, perhaps you could give your stupid friend a history lesson
  
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  July 30, 2022 8:02pm
I remember when

Alarm at brazen carjackings: Manawatu Standard.
Two victims of carjacking in Palmerston North have been left shaken.
Police are investigating two incidents in the same area this week.
One was during a demo run of a person selling a car and the would be buyer presented a gun.
The second was a woman who parked and was threatened with being shot.

And so it continues.
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July 30, 2022 8:57am
Jack5

A Stuff article about Third World doctors finding it hard to retrain in NZ is translated, paragraph by paragraph, into Maori.

You do that when you are writing for language learners. When you are helping those with fluency in a different language, you print the whole of the article separately in the second language.

Regardless, the report carries the acknowledgement “This is Public Interest Journalism funded reporting and translation through NZ On Air.”

This suggests it’s the State that is requiring Stuff to print Maori translations. Wily Willie Jackson is making his mark as the Ardernists’ media capo.
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July 30, 2022 9:16am
- blue collar
  
  Maybe they are struggling to spend the Maori wonderfulness funds
  Hot damn I’ve got it !!
  Let’s get a team of 100 in to write translation articles …
  Let’s see …. 100 x $150,000 a year … that’ll get rid of 15 million .
  Piss the honkies off too .
  Get our reo out there ,
  Look good for govt media auditors , tick the treaty box
  Win win win win ….. gosh how good is this , and no one can stop us … I’ll ring my cuzzies, you ring yours , they can even work from home !
  
  13 months …… Carn time …. Hurry the fuck up
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yeah, I saw that. The odd thing is that there are other stories on Stuff (ie with a Maori focus) that would be better suited to that treatment. Immigrant doctors struggling to get supervision so as to gain a practising certificate – not so much.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think it is a deliberate attempt to disguise the mess Labour has made of our Health system.
    
    A couple of days ago Stuff completely mangled Dr Reti’s call for free Meningitis vaccines by alternating Te Reo and English sentences.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300645493/national-calls-for-free-meningococcal-vaccines-following-northland-cases
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:57am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The resources that went into converting crap into unintelligible crap could have been used to write more crap?
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:43pm
Argonath

Did anyone see the article in stuff about the gender pay gap in sports but the so called “journalists” forgot about the sport which probably has the biggest gender pay gap out of all the major sports which is Netball. I’ve done a youtube video about it if anyone wants to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLhxdLwKDg
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July 30, 2022 9:37am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I know, tell the men to identify as women and then they can trial for the national team? Even better, make all sports gender fluid. It’s becoming obvious there are far too many genders these days to have teams representing every single one of them.
  So here’s a crazy idea, let anyone trial for any sport and be selected on their ability. That would be real equality wouldn’t it?
  
  Problem solved! I’m sure all of the “woke” libtards will be thrilled that we finally have a simple solution to all of these issues. People will be rewarded on their merit. You’re welcome.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:25am
Yvette

Fear and loathing over West Coast Māori heritage sites
The reaction to council letters telling some West Coast landowners their properties contain sites of significance to Māori has generated more heat than light. Is the agitation warranted?
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/fear-and-loathing-over-west-coast-maori-heritage-sites

Is this part of an evil calculated Machiavellian agenda or just bloody lazy ignorance?
Or something else, since there may be another explanation?
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July 30, 2022 9:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s a foot in the door…
  It’s testing the water…
  It’s checking how the wind is blowing…
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s not just the West Coast. I was looking at a rural Hawkes Bay property recently, & the agent said that the local iwi had gone up & down the valley identifying pa, garden & urupa sites. Fortunately, the property I was looking at had none such, but thought that it was interesting that he felt obliged to disclose it.
  
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  July 30, 2022 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you what I do get a bit sick of…..people complaining about $8 beers and $20 cover charges. As I just said to my partner, if your mates don’t like it, don’t bother inviting them over to our house.

SHEESH!!
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July 30, 2022 10:12am
- David Garrett
  
  $8 beers? Even at the working class bars
  I frequent on a Friday “for the meat pack raffles “‘ they are over $10…the beers not the raffles…I’m told you can be charged $12 or more in the shithole that is the CBD…your guests should stop complaining!
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    DG – get down to South Head Golf Club. Last time I was there it was 6 bucks for a premium bottle of beer. Same for a handle I believe. Mind you, it would probably cost you 30 bucks to get there and back……damn.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:31am
    - David Garrett
      
      Clan…Yeah, I was out that way the other day…fucking long haul, even from KKK…
      
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      July 30, 2022 11:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yup, though I used to enjoy the drive out from the North Shore on a Saturday. Before the city moved out to Kumeu. Progress. Ah well.
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:07pm
  - Alwynn
    
    From the way Maggie has worded her comment it isn’t a bar that has the $8 beer and the $20 cover charge.
    Maggie says if people aren’t willing to pay up they aren’t welcome in her house. It sounds like it is Maggie who is charging her visitors to have a drink!
    
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    July 30, 2022 1:15pm
    - blue collar
      
      That’s the dungeon cover charge alwynn 😜😜
      
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      July 30, 2022 3:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – you would have liked the covid passport policy we had at our house when we were firing up the pizza oven. All legal of course and fully compliant with the princesses requirements.
  
  I would meet arriving guests at top of the driveway for a pre pizza drink and sausie roll. I would ask them for their vax pass. If they laughed at me or told me to fuck off they got in.
  If they presented the pass they were told to go home and social distance for another couple of days and think about what they were doing.
  
  We had some wonderful evenings!
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
    I did something similar a couple of years back.
    Invited a few of the girls from tennis over for a champagne lunch by the pool. Then when they were getting ready to go, told them they weren’t allowed inside to use the toilets. Cindy’s rules!
    
    You should see the lemons we’re getting now.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Might explain why there’s a bumper harvest of lemons all over Auckland this year.
      
      It’s a bumper year for lemons, grapefruit and mandarins in those parts of the motu where they like to grow, notably Auckland
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/129370667/bumper-citrus-crop-this-year-donate-to-families-in-need
      
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      July 30, 2022 12:08pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😀 😀 😀
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:15pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        What the f### is the ‘motu’?
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:23pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Good story, but I think it’s only man piss that helps the lemons.
      
      Unless there’s more to the girls from tennis that meets the eye.
      
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      July 30, 2022 1:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a gem
    
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    July 30, 2022 1:58pm
- Biscuit
  
  Ah, stop ya whinging, you lot.
  Scoping things to do for my upcoming U.S. trip, I thought I wouldn’t mind a shot or two of Bourbon at the Watergate Hotel in Washington DC.
  Rest assured that I minded VERY much when I learned that one such shot – Blanton’s Bourbon – retails at $ US 55.
  Call it 120 NZ Pesos.
  Plus taxes.
  Remember, too, it is customary to tip 18-20% in restaurants in the U.S..
  And for bartenders, too, a $1 per drink tip is standard.
  Y-i-k-e-s…
  Printer ink, good grief, is cheaper!
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:57pm
Cassandra

The Times this morning: a murderer in the UK appealed his 40 year minimum sentence. The Supreme Court compassionately (to the people of Britain) increased the minimum to 48 years. Good guidance for NZ’s judges.
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July 30, 2022 10:22am
- David Garrett
  
  Cassandra: Quite so…and in the UK “whole of life” sentences (effectively the LWOP sentence which is available here) are not uncommon, even for single particularly brutal murders. Here, as most people know, Tarrant is the only recipient of LWOP, and most legal eagles I know suggest it would take something similar – i.e a terrorist attack with multiple victims – for it to be imposed again.
  
  Across the Tasman, whole of life sentences are also not uncommon, again, on rare occasions for a particularly brutal murder. Here, there are at least 18 people who have killed twice – i.e. on two separate occasions – and none of them got LWOP or anything like it. Many of those people will be walking among us again (and even brazenly commenting on blogs as one is here).
  
  In short, in New Zild life is a great deal cheaper than in the Mother Country or across the ditch…sadly I see zero prospect of that changing anytime soon, even if we elect a National-ACT government.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:03am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

Does Clint write Clarke’s press-releases? LOL!!

https://twitter.com/Pukeko65/status/1552878022503477249

and OMG – THE COMMENTS 😀
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July 30, 2022 10:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  Come on Maggie Pie-
  Clarke is just gorjuss and you just jealous.
  Ask you partner’s mum and the other ladies in the rest home.
  You would be with him on the front of Woman’s Day in a flash.
  Who would you rather have – a good looking, honest, woke, DJ with his own TV programme and access to the rich and famous because – girlfriend?
  Or your pardner?
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You remind me of my dad there gravz!
    When he first met my partner… reckoned he was smart as bait.
    LOL!!
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:18am
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggie: If I was 20 odd years younger my daughter’s ignorant oaf of a boyfriend would have ended up as bait in the Kaipara…unless he was a fucking good swimmer!
      
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      July 30, 2022 11:55am
      - blue collar
        
        😅👌
        
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        July 30, 2022 3:38pm
Tony Stuart

I’m not quite sure how this piece from Janet Wilson got past the Stuff censors, but we should all be glad it did; she writes:

The road to political change may be paved with the best of intentions but in its way lie ineptitude, mismanagement, and financial potholes aplenty. Take Te Pūkenga, the newly merged organisation due to take over the country’s polytechnics in January 2023.

Several arresting stories this week revealed that Te Pūkenga is in a huge financial hole while failing to deliver, with its leader missing in action.

Te Pūkenga announced on July 8 that its CEO, Stephen Town, was on “personal leave” for an unspecified timeframe. The term, which has morphed into a crutch of crisis management (think TVNZ’s ham-fisted attempt to cover up the Kamahl Santamaria debacle), has now become a red-flag phrase.

The fact that Town, who’s paid somewhere north of $670,000 a year, has gone on leave two months after a damning report from the Tertiary Education Commission and just a week before it appeared publicly, may explain why. The March 2022 quarterly monitoring report sent to Education Minister Chris Hipkins, and signed by deputy chief executive Gillian Dudgeon, eschews the usual bureaucratic double-talk, opting instead for frank language.

The report noted that Te Pūkenga had a 2021 draft surplus of $7.6 million, but it was now forecasting a deficit of $110m due to enrolments being down by 10%. Concerned about a lack of progress, the TEC and Te Pūkenga initiated a strategic review.

The review team, led by Murray Jack, made seven recommendations prioritising its operational model, network collaboration and its financial performance, the last of which was deemed high-risk and had worsened since the previous quarter. The report noted that “we consider there is ongoing risk surrounding Te Pūkenga’s ability to develop a critical path, plan and implement a new organisation design”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129281573/janet-wilson-polytech-mergers-ills-a-harbinger-for-governments-other-reforms

But wait; there’s more! Wilson argues, as other have, that this centralisation of Polytechs does not bode well for the restructure of Health:

What Hipkins will be trying to avoid at all costs is Te Pūkenga becoming Labour’s canary-in-the-coalmine of transformational change. With the canary not quite having karked it, but still crook, the pressure is on Hipkins to deliver. If he doesn’t – and failure could be defined as anything from pushing back its January 1, 2023, start date to even more financial troubles – it will be seen as a harbinger for the Government’s other major reforms, such as Three Waters and health.

What’s more, the health reforms have arrived at a time when its workforce is in despair and at risk of “catastrophic collapse”. That’s what 923 doctors this week told the Government in a signed letter to the prime minister, with an attached survey outlining a “system beyond crisis” with many considering leaving. Desperate to avoid any C words, Health Minister Andrew Little has used the crisis to explain the need for the reforms, without adequately explaining what they’ll achieve.

In again centralising power in Wellington with Health New Zealand, Little should remember the effect the 2013 NHS reforms had on England’s health system. The creation of NHS England gave it the task of overseeing local health services, leaving the Department of Health to focus on public health and policy matters, in much the same way that the New Zealand reforms have been structured.

The results? Long surgical waiting lists, continuing postcode inequality and emergency departments bursting at the seams.

Janet Wilson is right on the money here. I worked in the health sector during many of the reforms of the 1980’s and 1990’s. As well as being a worrying time for those working in the sector, with each reform, the system got sicker.

The centralisation of health will not work. Smaller centres like Whanganui will lose services to the likes of Palmerston North, and once those services are lost, they are lost forever. And access to healthcare at a local level will become more and more difficult.

The truth is, the canary in the Polytech coalmine isn’t coming out; it is, to paraphrase Monty Python, an ex-canary. If the government cared about canaries, or people needing healthcare, it wouldn’t send them into the dark abyss that as centralised health system will become.
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July 30, 2022 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  Is there anything that this regime has “reformed” that hasn’t turned to shit .
  
  Reverse Midas touch . Poo fingers.
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:53am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, I’m keen to hear your thoughts on what National will do to fix this looming health system fiasco if they win the election next year? Has Reti said anything on this?
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ll try and have a yarn with him next weekend at the Party conference.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:14am
    - oldfella
      
      Cheers, Tony. 🙂
      
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      July 30, 2022 12:29pm
- Tricati
  
  Hipkins is attempting to reframe the debacle as a result of Nationals under funding when they were in government, but no one is buying that crap anymore.
  With absenteeism rising, free first year tertiary fee’s a waste of money, teacher shortages and a significant drop in math’s & literary standards; Hipkins only has himself to blame and Labours ideological link to the education unions – so own it.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:10am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The big asset National has is former SIT CEO Penny Simmonds. I have little doubt she will have input, probably as Associate Education Minister, after next year’s election. She is a very capable and sensible woman, not prone to outbursts of ideology.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:17am
    - Tricati
      
      Saw her being interviewed by Matt (whoever) on TV1 Breakfast show and she came across very well.
      Knew her stuff, articulate and wasn’t going to be lead into ‘National didn’t do enough nonsense”.
      She will be a real threat to Hipkins as she has actually ‘worked’ in the sector at a high level, and understand accountability.
      
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      July 30, 2022 3:08pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      For those who aren’t familiar with Penny Simmonds, here’s a link to her bio.
      
      https://pennysimmonds.national.org.nz/about-menu
      
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      July 30, 2022 6:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ve known Stephen Town since the early 90’s. He was a decent person I remember, but he was always a careerist, bureaucratic parasite.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:36am
  - Don Beckett
    
    He almost destroyed Tauranga City Council financially, and ducked for cover – then emerged somewhere up north – Pukekohe?? about 10 – 15 yars ago (not sure of the timeline)
    He’s a disaster, but a clever one.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yep, like a rat, knows when to leave the ship. A bit like Orr at the Kiwisaver Fund. He time it beautifully. Though it was pretty obvious the excrement was going to hit the oscillation in the finance sector eventually. Hard to believe he was getting paid close to a mil a year for overseeing funds in what was the easiest bull market ever. I commented once, Paul the Octopus could have managed it just as well.
      
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      July 30, 2022 12:18pm
- Paulus
  
  Finally I see who the disapearing new CEO of the Labour Polys – is Stephen Town, of fame as a one time CEO of Tauranga Council – a disaster, and thence promoted to CEO of Auckand Council, then the merges Polytechs.
  His track record over recent many years is not very good at all but that is the way Labour get their staff.
  
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  July 30, 2022 1:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone got any idea as to what a ranging infodemic is?

During a ranging infodemic, it pays to be alert to how this happens.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300616031/graham-philip-is-charged-with-sabotage-thats-all-we-can-tell-you
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July 30, 2022 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  Something to do with EV ranges?
  
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  July 30, 2022 10:53am
- kowtow
  
  Don’t know . But that reporter , given he’s talking matters court , trust etc should know better and surely an “alleged” should have preceded the word ‘offending’ in that paragraph.
  
  And he’s appealing for trust in mainstream institutions such as the media . Ha !
  
  ” That’s about all we can say on the matter, under the direction of the court. Details of the offending – which Stuff knows – have been suppressed, and to say more about his background would risk contempt of court.”
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sub editing is a lost art
    
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    July 30, 2022 1:52pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    This Graham Philip case is very interesting and the story of the story could be even more interesting than the story itself.
    Reading Stuff’s article
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300616031/graham-philip-is-charged-with-sabotage-thats-all-we-can-tell-you
    Alongside The Herald’s
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/taupo-man-graham-philip-charged-with-sabotage-believed-to-be-first-in-new-zealand-history/ZHOBLOZT5JG5HI4UGXGUQUUHJ4/
    Tells us a lot. “That’s all we can tell you ” claim Stuff, clearly untrue, The Herald tells us plenty more. They give his job confirm he’s an anti-vaxxer (Stuff just insinuates it) show a photo and have a long interview with a law professor about the history of this law, now being enforced for the first time in history. There is a lot of information about where he’s being imprisoned and difficulties his lawyer is having with getting necessary paperwork signed. All useful and important details. Graham Philip may be held for 2 years before his case is heard and debate about his actions and incarceration stifled if not totally banned by the government.
    Stuff’s article is centered around the need to get the correct narrative out there. All very worrying “Stuff”
    
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    July 30, 2022 2:21pm
    - kowtow
      
      I agree .
      
      The 2 articles I read gave the firm impression that this has an “anti vax” context . Must be deliberate.
      
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      July 30, 2022 4:01pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting,
  https://www.who.int/health-topics/infodemic#tab=tab_1
  Not sure what “Ranging” refers too and what context in the article it was used.
  “An infodemic is too much information including false or misleading information in digital and physical environments during a disease outbreak. It causes confusion and risk-taking behaviours that can harm health. It also leads to mistrust in health authorities and undermines the public health response. An infodemic can intensify or lengthen outbreaks when people are unsure about what they need to do to protect their health and the health of people around them. With growing digitization – an expansion of social media and internet use – information can spread more rapidly. This can help to more quickly fill information voids but can also amplify harmful messages.
  
  Infodemic management is the systematic use of risk- and evidence-based analysis and approaches to manage the infodemic and reduce its impact on health behaviours during health emergencies.”
  Un quote.
  Sounds like the Podium of Truth to me.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:48pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  We have a disinformation researcher who uses “infodemic” frequently in his writings. For example:
  
  The infodemic’s endemicity in a high-trust society like NZ will test public institutions, including DIA et al, in unprecedented ways. One key issue is with existing policies & response(s) – digital Maginot Lines, sadly useless against information disorders, metastasising at pace.
  
  ~ Twitter link
  
  Haven’t seen “raging infodemic”, but I wouldn’t put it past him.
  
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  July 30, 2022 4:38pm
oldfella

Stand by for the next big Maori health crisis:
Low vaccination rates prompt fears of severe measles outbreak
In some areas, rates for Māori and Pasifika have fallen to as low as 32 percent, leading to fears a devastating outbreak is just around the corner.

The govt only got Maori covid vaccination rates up by throwing gobs of cash, plus KFC/McDonalds-type incentives at regional Maori health providers. How many $$$ will they devote to this, and will they come out of the Maori Health Authority budget?
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July 30, 2022 10:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  Worldwide literally billions of vax lemmings said “Vaccines are safe. Hit me with your best Covid shot”. That was shortsighted.
  
  Now the lack of safety is obvious, the same masses are saying “Vaccines are unsafe. Not taking any”. That is also shortsighted.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This was always going to be the outcome. Ardern, Baker and others have destroyed many people’s trust in organisations they once fully respected.
    I know we are making alternative arrangements for our health requirements to the fullest extent.
    
    Enjoy your trip. Looking forward to feedback on how the various locations are operating currently.
    
    Follow the example of the chap travelling from the UK to his European holiday destination. He spent almost 4 hours eating a tube of Pringles. Though I’m not sure 8 tubes of Pringles would be good for your constitution.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:44am
    - Master Mariner
      
      “Ardern, Baker and others have destroyed many people’s trust in organisations they once fully respected.”
      Exactly,
      The real question : was this done purposely ?
      
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      July 30, 2022 12:39pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yeah – the song “Hit me with your Clot Shot” was a great parody of the well known song.
    
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    July 30, 2022 11:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      This one Don?
      
      https://odysee.com/@hipsterious:3/Stick-Me-With-Your-Death-Shot—Media-Bear:a
      
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      July 30, 2022 12:20pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        It is brilliant, isn’t it?
        
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        July 30, 2022 12:42pm
- septic skeptic
  
  They have probably set an expectation among some Maori that they should be paid to get their tamariki vaxxed.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:28pm
- alloytoo
  
  Sad to say I predicted this.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:30pm
krazykiwi

Farewell New Zealand. Well for 6 weeks anyhow. Must endure 30hrs of Emirates mask theater before enjoying enlightened UK and beachy Portugal.
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July 30, 2022 11:19am
- Muttonbird
  
  Nice virtue signalling.
  
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  July 30, 2022 11:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Lie flat bed and a bar. Weep, mutton. Weep. Your socialist masters didn’t take it all.
    
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    July 30, 2022 12:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I bought a very light cotton mask from Cotton on to use when on a plane.
  
  very comfortable.
  
  Obviously useless to withstand a viral/bacterial/fungal onslaught, but as I wasn’t engaged in dissecting an infected cadavar, I didn’t care.
  
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  July 30, 2022 12:20pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Disappointing. Even though you know full well that masks are useless, you’ll still comply just to avoid any inter-personal hassle. We can all talk a big game, but it is when the rubber hits the road that counts, and most people are cowards.
    
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    July 30, 2022 12:28pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      most people are cowards.
      
      Guilty as charged.
      
      My fighting days are over.
      
      I wanted to see my kids…… my days on this planet are finite and I’d been too long away from them.
      
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      July 30, 2022 5:37pm
- mogg
  
  Emirates have the best leg room for economy long haul. I did it pre-Covid, between Heathrow and Melbourne I watched all of Mad-Men.
  I find sleeping on planes is easy I can do it with my eyes closed.
  
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  July 30, 2022 4:26pm
Muttonbird

[Deleted – Mod] NZME, has been forced to pay an undisclosed sum to Clarke Gayford for publishing baseless lies about him.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300649590/clarke-gayford-receives-apology-and-settlement-for-broadcast-of-baseless-lies

Young Nat (and you guessed it, vape salesman), Tristram Speedy, has been outed as the operative who redirected the websites of Efeso Collins and Craig Lord to that of Leo Molloy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayoralty-young-nat-tristram-speedy-confirms-link-to-fake-efeso-collins-website-address/HCZMXWHNJII25MLUI2RLOQN3C4/

Good day for taking out the trash!

[Mod – don’t tempt us!]
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July 30, 2022 11:54am
- kevn
  
  @mutt… So he wasn’t charged. So?
  
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  July 30, 2022 4:16pm
Swifty

A little quiz for KBers if you wouldn’t mind humouring me briefly.

What year(s) would you consider to be ‘the height of the (Great) Depression in New Zealand?
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July 30, 2022 12:07pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  2022 and increasing
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:03pm
- CJames
  
  If I remember the analysis correctly, it was about 2 years before Labour came to power. The economy was already recovering and Savage rode the wave.
  
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  July 30, 2022 4:48pm
Jack5

The Pentagon’s “wholesale embrace of Woke politics” is to blame for big problems in American military recruiting, claims an article in the Wall Street Journal.

Some branches of the American military are 40 per cent down on recruiting targets, and the US Army will be 28,000 short by the end of next year, the article says.

“On his first day in office, President Biden rescinded a Trump-era executive order banning critical-race-theory training in the military. The changes made by senior commanders were nearly immediate. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin mandated that every military unit conduct a ‘stand-down’ to confront ‘extremism in the ranks’.”

The chief of naval operations, Admiral Mike Gilday, added Ibram X. Kendi’s “How to Be an Antiracist” to his professional reading list for sailors.

The US Navy has mandated gender-sensitivity training, and released a video encouraging sailors to closely police the use of pronouns as well as everyday language.

The result is anti-recruitment for prospective enlistees, the article adds. “The Pentagon is appealing to activists at the expense of those most likely to serve.”

The American military has historically drawn an outsize proportion of recruits from conservative Southern states.

The writer of the article, Jimmy Byrn, is a former US Army officer, now a Yale law student.
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July 30, 2022 12:09pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  There is a school of thought that says an ideological purge of the US military (and a similar process in the police forces) that sees the numbers of White conservative Christian males drastically reduced will remove a significant moral impediment if/when marshal law is introduced and the Army has to shoot American citizens. The liberals, immigrants, transsexuals and other assorted minorities who have no allegiance to the American people would have far less compunction in carrying out their orders (although the purge would of course make them a far less formidable force).
  
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  July 30, 2022 2:58pm
Chris Nisbet

Some ex Green MP says James Shaw has achieved more than any other minister on the climate.
This is bullshit.
No minister has had _any_ effect on the climate, so they have all achieved the same – Nothing.
Shaw may have done more _damage_ than any other minister on his way to leaving the climate completely unaffected, but that’s nothing to be proud of.
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July 30, 2022 12:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Agreed, Chris.
  
  Any politician in tiny, remote New Zealand who claimed to change the climate of Earth, even minutely, should be booked in for a chat with a psychiatrist.
  
  King Canute was an amateur compared with NZ’s Greens.
  
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  July 30, 2022 1:04pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  That was Kevin Hague, who spat the dummy and resigned from politics when Shaw beat him for the co-leadership. Oh, the irony…
  
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  July 30, 2022 2:29pm
krazykiwi

Channeling Maggie Pie a bit here, but check out this Macron vs Trudeau bromance :
https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1553099966318518272
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July 30, 2022 12:36pm
gump

I have accepted an appointment to an international board position that requires me to stop posting on social media.

As such, this will be my last post on Kiwiblog.

So I’m just stopping by to say goodbye. The time I spent here has been entertaining.
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July 30, 2022 12:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  All the best Gump. I haven’t always agreed with your views, but you have never shied away from expressing a strong opinion.
  
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  July 30, 2022 2:28pm
- Tricati
  
  All the very best gump in your new endeavors, and be assured, we will keep the fight up.
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

COW TV Walk Of Shame.

Remember Clarke’s first appearance on tv3….

https://youtu.be/H4gieKK2AmY

Chauvinist pig!
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July 30, 2022 1:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeech
  
  Creepy stalkers!
  
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  July 30, 2022 1:50pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Who cares about the First ex-Fiancé? The gorgeous Caroline Robinson (nee Ryan) was in fine form at the start of that clip 😍
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:08pm
NZer In Exile

Profound lessons here for the race grifters of NZ:

Not Buying It: Glenn Loury, Ian Rowe, and Robert Woodson Debunk Myths about the Black Experience in America:
https://www.hoover.org/research/not-buying-it-glenn-loury-ian-rowe-and-robert-woodson-debunk-myths-about-black-experience
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July 30, 2022 2:12pm
Tony Stuart

This tweet from the New Zealand Professional Firefighters Union should be ringing alarm bells at the Beehive right this minute:

https://twitter.com/NZPFU/status/1553188704583577601

Wellington Central Fire Station, a very busy station right in the heart of the Wellington CBD has a grand total of TWO staff today to man three appliances. The #FireCrisis is real, and is a real worry. Wellington firefighters also currently lack the capacity to teach anything more than three to four stories, because their aerial appliance is out of service.

As Internal Affairs Minister Jan Tinetti has responsibility for Fire and Emergency New Zealand. But she has been missing in action since the #FireCrisis began, and there is now a real danger of loss of life in any emergency in Wellington due to inadequate staffing and the unavailability of fit-for-purpose fire appliances.

This story SHOULD be front page news, but the media seem to have decided that the life and times of Christopher Luxon is more important. If ever an issue showed just how out-of-touch New Zealand media are, it is this one.
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July 30, 2022 2:26pm
- peterwn
  
  If Jan was a really top politician she should have been able to trounce Sim Uffindell in the recent byelection. Instead she polled worse than the Labour candidate in 2020.
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:36pm
- kowtow
  
  Indeed .
  
  Bish Tamaki’s redlatively minor car crash is literally Herald front page news .
  
  You see he’s part of the untermensch who must be villified.
  
  Holding the regime to account is so yesterday.
  
  Meanwhile very little in the meeja about the donations trial . How queer.
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:57pm
blue collar

Hmmmmm ….. Robinson won’t back fozzy past Sth Africa games …. Wonder if Ryan in there to prep them for a Robertson takeover
Ceo should say he’s staying to the cup , or gone .
Very telling or a poor comment by an incompetent fool
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July 30, 2022 3:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

When decent chaps leave the police force, who will be left ?

Nine nights at the anti-vaccine mandate protest in Wellington prompted a veteran Taranaki police officer to seek a new start.
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Erwood said he felt the prime minister’s refusal to meet with the protestors occupying Parliament grounds had made things worse.

“I think Jacinda could have dealt with the situation better. If I have a problem with someone, I’ll go to see them and have a cup of tea. She never gave them an opportunity, never went to just listen –

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/300647265/veteran-officer-leaves-police-for-new-life-as-a-tractor-salesman
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July 30, 2022 3:36pm
- blue collar
  
  Pathetic wasn’t it . I won’t engage . I’ll cause the problem .
  I feel sorry for the cops standing there copping shit from average citizens and why ? They know Brenda only had to engage to end it .
  And worse , had to take weapons and clear the citizens who had the moral right to be there .
  It must’ve sucked .
  I don’t blame them for leaving
  We will be left with the weak , passed reduced fitness test , diverse force that can’t arrest gangsters or strong men
  
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  July 30, 2022 3:53pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum retweets….

You wont see this on ‘Ten7 Aotearoa’…..unfortunately.
And they didn’t even read him his rights 😀

https://twitter.com/Netters405255581/status/1552726612264697856
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July 30, 2022 4:18pm
- blue collar
  
  Hah ! Pure gold maggz !
  Need some of that right here in Nz ….
  
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  July 30, 2022 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

OneEwes reporting –

COUNCIL RATES in the Westcoast town of Blackball (birthplace of the Liarbor Party in 1908)….. now average more than those in Lower Hutt.

LOL!!
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July 30, 2022 6:32pm
Takere

What about … Corruption in Panuku, Auckland councils ‘Fire Sale’ unit!
When there’s a ‘Housing Crisis!’ Panuku denies developers to build thousands of houses but the chairman of Panuku greenlights his own $850m+ development partnership!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/council-selling-marutuahu-ockham-partnership-158ha-in-avondale-for-750-apartments/VCZLIEDBK56XESPVDJIQOEWYPY/

Auckland Council set to appeal against go-ahead for new town ‘the size of Napier’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/auckland-council-set-to-appeal-against-go-ahead-for-new-town-the-size-of-napier/RXMASQMALQDL25CV5SCPWHTFXQ/

Proposed 5000-home development in Papakura denied fast-track status a second time by Panuku.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/128410345/proposed-5000home-development-in-papakura-denied-fasttrack-status-a-second-time

Remind me what a conflict of interest is and also the definition of corruption?
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