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Labour has released its rainbow manifesto –

https://www.labour.org.nz/news-labour_rainbow_manifesto#:~:text=%E2%80%9CA%20re%2Delected%20Labour%20Government,equal%20basis%20as%20heterosexual%20couples.

Chris Hipkins boasts that labour has relentlessly advocated for the rainbow community. And that’s probably true. They are all in on homosexuality and transgender. We see that they will allow rainbow couples the same rights as heterosexual couples for adoption for example. This means that we will have more instances of two homosexual men adopting an unrelated male child. What could possibly go wrong?

Also they are all in on changing gender and we can probably expect more young people to transition under Labour’s guidance.

It is interesting to me that when our birthrates are down and actual marriages are falling apart that Labour is advocating for the tiny minorities. They think they are enlightened and this makes them good people.

According to the good book and the last two millennia of human history they are degenerates who call what is good bad and what is bad good.
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October 2, 2023 8:01am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think you are way off the mark with your implied allegation against homosexual adopters. Just look at the parenting we get with heterosexual couples where one (or both) ARE related. Having two dads or two mums would be trivial problems compared to what many kids endure.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:44am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Agree, gay men have more stable marriages than straight on average, though lesbians are less stable getting divorced at about twice the rate. I suspect tendencies to sexual abuse are probably diminished by raising kids from infancy – much the same as children raised together from below about 6yrs old basically never develop sexual interest in each other (Westermarck effect).
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:07am
    - Local Miller
      
      Citation needed.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:26am
    - Keith White
      
      Incorrect. Gay marriages have a statistically higher-and-sooner divorce rate compared to heterosexual marriages.
      
      Also “of the 580 lesbian couples who were married in 2005, 30% were divorced ten years later compared to 18% for heterosexual couples and 15% for gay male couples.”
      
      (Mod – links to site that demonstrates this)
      
      https://pridelegal.com/gay-divorce-versus-straight-divorce/
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:27am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Also “of the 580 lesbian couples who were married in 2005, 30% were divorced ten years later compared to 18% for heterosexual couples and 15% for gay male couples.”
        
        I am confuse. You say I’m incorrect, and then post statistical data confirming exactly what I said.
        
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        October 2, 2023 11:45am
      - Keith White
        
        NothingLeft:
        
        30% of lesbian couples and 15% of gay male couples were divorced compared to 18% of straights. I know math is hard, but average out 30+15 and you’ll find it is higher than 18.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:09pm
      - Local Miller
        
        Citation still needed. This is only a Pro Gay legal website. It presents numbers but there are no links to the actual research that underlies the numbers.
        
        Where this site references the research behind the numbers: https://carm.org/homosexuality/statistics-on-sexual-promiscuity-among-homosexuals/
        While I’ve no doubt that there are some very committed homosexual couples, the statistics are significantly against homosexuality as being a long term viable lifestyle, and definitely not in the best interests of the future of humanity.
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        Laughing, a Christian website with christian studies.
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:23pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Kieth,, I said: “Agree, gay men have more stable marriages than straight on average, though lesbians are less stable getting divorced at about twice the rate.”
        
        Which is precisely in sgreement with your stats.
        
        Are you confused about Gay referring specifically to male homosexuals in modern English? As in Lesbians; Gays and the rest of the alphabet
        
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        October 2, 2023 6:59pm
    - Stephen
      
      Hello, I am a gay man, 67 years old. I am in a Civil Union partnership, and have been in a loving relationship with the same man for the last 44 Years.
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:32am
      - Colville
        
        Good on you.
        I am firmly of the belief that every man deserves a Mother in Law!
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:27pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Commendable. But you’re only one datapoint.
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:45pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Hello, fellow fag* here. You and I both know the vast majority of gay marriages are open and don’t meet the same standard of a heterosexual marriage i.e. monogamous.
        
        *Used only because I’m an alliteration addict.
        
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        October 3, 2023 1:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “This means that we will have more instances of two homosexual men adopting an unrelated male child. What could possibly go wrong?”
    
    I agree. Totally off the mark. I (somewhat) know a gay couple who have adopted a girl. This child is going to have attention and resources and love in plenty. If you are worried about the welfare of children in New Zealand, I would not start with gay men or women adopting children.
    
    Many gay folk – male and female – do not want to be bundled in with ‘transgenderisim’ which has become a cult, unfortunately.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:13am
    - Che Guava
      
      Kids are supposed to have a mother and a father, not two fathers or two mothers. This can be verified by observing how any offspring are produced and raised in nature. No twisting and turning and relativism is needed to demonstrate this fact, which is not the case with the neo-“family.” No amount of ideological nonsense will ever change the fact that this girl will innately recognise the bizarreness of her situation.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:40am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Agree with your assessment BY that this girl will be loved and looked after etc etc.
      
      However, I had a similar situation of growing up with a father and a brother only for much of my childhood. It is hard being a female child in a male household because there are just things a girl needs to discuss with another female who innately understands and/or has experience of.
      
      When that girl starts maturing do the men here think she’s going to be comfortable discussing her physiological changes with her dads? It’s embarrassing for a girl who is unsure of what is happening and needs guidance and experience.
      
      What about if she is heterosexual and goes a bit boy crazy. Her fathers may understand ‘liking boys’ from a gay perspective but that’s not the same as a mum guiding her daughter through the minefield of boy-girl teenage interactions and knowing how to teach a girl to cope with expectations.
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:23am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “When that girl starts maturing do the men here think she’s going to be comfortable discussing her physiological changes with her dads? ”
        
        There are likely to be work arounds.
        
        I agree – in an ideal world a married mother and a father, married and stable is ideal. However New Zealand society is now miles away from that. Children born to married parents are a (narrow) minority and half of those get divorced.
        
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        October 2, 2023 11:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The statistically safest environment for a child to be raised is one where the biological mother and biological father do the raising. Anyone can argue outlier anecdotes to fit their narrative, but that is irrelevant in a population-wide context.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:37pm
    - Keith White
      
      It’s been proven over and over again that the way to raise healthy children in a healthy economy is quite straightforward and anybody can do it, regardless of their melanin content and whether or not some of their ancestors were dealt with meanly by other people’s ancestors centuries ago:
      
      1. Stay at school long enough to graduate.
      2. Don’t get pregnant while at school.
      3. Don’t impregnate while at school.
      4. Get a job or go for postgraduate education after leaving school and then get a job. Your first job won’t be much, but you can build on it.
      5. Marry or maintain a stable relationship with one partner. Work at it if you have to.
      6. Don’t breed what you can’t feed.
      7. Raise your children together.
      8. Work hard and you will prosper.
      9. Don’t impulse-buy.
      10. Don’t drink or consume any other drug to excess.
      
      There now, that’s not so hard.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:33pm
      - Debsta
        
        I like your list Keith!
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:50pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        “Don’t breed what you can’t feed.”
        That alliteration sounds so good, I am definitely going to steal this one.
        
        “Don’t drink or consume any other drug to excess.”
        You had me right until the last part.
        Nobody’s perfect I suppose.
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        11. Seriously consider not bothering if your own upbringing was a train wreck.
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:41pm
      - Dave
        
        A pedantic note for Fuzzy.
        
        Though ‘Don’t breed what you can’t feed’ is memorable for its use of internal rhyme, breed-feed, and half-rhyme, don’t-can’t, monosyllabic words and stress pattern, it does not have any alliteration.
        
        Alliteration, loosely defined, is the repetition of initial sounds in words in word groups and single lines, especially the repetition of the initial consonant in the initial stressed syllables. It’s often found in tongue twisters, ‘Round the rugged rocks the ragged rascal ran…’, cliches, ‘gentle giant’, ‘flying Finn’, and advertisements.
        
        Alliteration was an important structural component of Anglo-Saxon poetry, contributing to a poem’s memorability. As evidence of its aid to memory, here are the only two lines I recall (perhaps inaccurately) from Auden’s The Exiles, a poem I last read 45-50 years ago.
        
        What siren zooming is sounding our coming
        Up frozen fjord forging from freedom…
        
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        October 2, 2023 7:53pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      What percentage of children raised by same-sex couples do you think would otherwise have been raised by their biological mother and father? Feel free to use as many zeros after the decimal point as you need.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:53pm
- Taieri
  
  Labour has released its rainbow manifesto
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  Excellent news! I’m really happy and excited about all that.
  
  Now, what about GP appointments, surgery waiting lists and such like? Is there also going to be a special manifesto about those?
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:00am
- bjools
  
  “A re-elected Labour Party will continue to tackle discriminations still faced by members of the Rainbow community in areas ranging from surrogacy and adoption to blood donation.”
  Evidence please Mr Hipkins.
  I am prejudiced against where Blood donation is concerned, far more than anyone and all I did was eat a hamburger in London in the 80’s.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:12am
  - Keith White
    
    I ate steak at Garfunkel’s in the early 80s while in a professional apprenticeship in London and have been rejected by New Zealand’s blood transfusion service ever since. Where I am now living and working, they’re very happy for me to be a donor because I have a less than common blood group.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:34pm
- HeatherW
  
  Toni Street and her husband would like to change the surrogacy rules as they needed to go through the adoption process even though their son was biologically theirs but not legally at birth. Tamati Coffey and his husband also used surrogate(s) for their children, cannot remember which of them was biologically involved. Kiri Allan is probably not a poster child for the cause.
  Like most progressive causes slippery slope will have ‘unintended consequences’.
  
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  October 2, 2023 3:11pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes indeed Heather. Here’s a list of “progressive” ideas that have had disastrous consequences:
    – No-fault divorce has turned marriage from a covenant into a mere contract.
    – The DPB lets dead-beat Dads off the hook, and encourages the antisocial lifestyle of solo motherhood. I think the DPB is actually necessary, but there should be a limit to the number of kids a woman can bring into the world on the benefit.
    – Mass entry of women into the workforce. 60s and 70s feminists condemned stay-at-home Mums as slaves and dupes of the patriarchy, but now most women have no choice – they can’t stay at home because most men don’t earn enough to support a family on a single income (value of labour degraded by union-busting, globalisation, and mass entry of women to the workforce).
    – “Women never lie about rape”. The dogma that informs the government’s hair-raising plans to shift the burden of proof onto the defendent in sexual assault cases.
    – Uncritical “gender affirming care”. An expression that would have Orwell spinning in his grave. In the US, one insurer is now declining to cover health professionals involved in this practice, as some are now facing lawsuits from detransitioners who say they should have been treated with more caution and prudence. Coming soon to this little archipelago!
    – Maatauranga Maaori is “co-equal” with so-called Western science. I suspect most people have little idea of the extent to which this lunatic idea is distorting research funding in NZ – not to mention education.
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Labour is the party of homosexuals. 40%+ of their MPs are gay. It hasn’t been the party of the working classes for some time, but that of the self-serving Arts faculty.
  
  When the Labour brand crashes & burns, they can come out of the closet on their own name.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:13pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Chippy is unwell.

No worries, Kelvin can step into the breach.

I mean, he’s the Deputy, right?
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October 2, 2023 8:01am
- septic skeptic
  
  Nope. Carmel Sepuloni.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:45am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Nope. Kelvin Davis.
    Carmel is second in Government but for election purposes Kelvin is second in the party.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:58am
    - pdm
      
      No way ae they letting Kelvin loose.
      
      Carmel says she is running the cutter.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:18am
    - Damocles11
      
      Kelvin is a diversity hire.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:49am
      - John Loveridge
        
        He must represent the intellectually challenged.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:19pm
      - Colville
        
        John, I think he is too dumb to know he is being challenged.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:32pm
  - rockape
    
    Deputy leader of the Labour Party is dumb Davies, Sepolini is deputyPM. Isn’t the contest for the election about parties? So is Kelvin still in the basement.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:34am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      I’m not sure he’s any dumber than a lot of other MP’s. He’s an anxious person who freezes in interviews – something I can related to myself.
      
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      October 2, 2023 5:18pm
- ecco
  
  I call this karma in action with Chippy going down now eh😂
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:57am
  - Unity
    
    Call me a sceptic but is it ‘too convenient’ for Hipkins to get Covid at this crucial time? My first reaction was that he was running away from the heat like Ardern or maybe trying to find an excuse for losing the election when he actually does. Am I totally on the wrong road and he really does have Covid?!!
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:38pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Psychosomatic Covid?
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:22pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  Just seen Kelv and Chippy billboard blowing down the Northwestern Motorway…times are getting desperate for Labour, having to get run over to get attention🙄🙄
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:24am
  - Damocles11
    
    If someone runs over it, it will be claimed as ‘a racist attack on a Labour billboard’.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:32pm
- kowtow
  
  If this was a western , and God knows we’re getting like the Wild West , Davis would be the idiot deputy who let all the prisoners go.
  
  Truth stranger than fiction.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:34am
- bjools
  
  More like his biography
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rmw3IROt-s
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:15am
- PaulP
  
  Interesting he has said he has said will isolate for FIVE days or until he tests negative.
  
  When most of the world had moved to zero days isolation, and NZ employers were asking for Labour to at least change to five days or a negative test, Chippy said no and insisted that 7 days was what the experts were telling them needed to remain in place.
  
  Different when the rules are impacting him and not struggling employers eh!
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    Ah, I think you should read the current advisory.
    
    If you test positive for COVID-19, it is recommended you isolate for at least 5 days, even if you only have mild symptoms, starting at Day 0. This includes if you have had COVID-19 before.
    
    COVID-19
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:35pm
    - PaulP
      
      Yes, that might be now but employers were begging for some relief from the isolation rules for many many months and he wouldn’t budge. Because, you know… science.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:47pm
    - I remember when
      
      In England from Monday 17 January after 5 full days, as long as they tested negative on days 5 and 6.
      13/01/2022.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:10pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Same advisory should be for any cold or flu. It pisses me off when idiots turn up to work with a contagious infection and make everyone else miserable by spreading it around.
      
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      October 2, 2023 4:58pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  So… the Chips are down.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:32pm
  - Damocles11
    
    *Chimps
    
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    October 2, 2023 6:17pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I think Sepuloni was pissed off at Kelvin when he opened his mouth and said she was the Barbie of the Pacific ore something like that.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:36pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  No, kelvin said on tv news last night he is the Māori ken doll and Sepuloni, the Samoan barbie …. Kelvin vs Ryan gosling …. It’s a tough one deciding whose slippers I would want under my bed lols 🙂
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:39pm
Yvette

Ram raided
Ram-raiding is a type of burglary in which a heavy vehicle is driven into the windows or doors of a building, usually a department store or jeweller’s shop, to allow the perpetrators to loot it.

■ Speaking during the Hauraki-Waikato candidates’ debate on The Hui, Maipi-Clarke addressed the attackers.
“This is my message: To the people who ram raided my house, who came into my house and threatened me. To the people who came and vandalised my fence – don’t be scared, because the Kōhanga Reo generation are here, and we have a huge movement and a huge wave of us coming through,” she said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/499064/candidate-s-home-broken-into-vandalised-threat-left-behind

■ Speaking on Sunday morning on Marae, the 21-year-old said she felt like she’d had her privacy “ram raided”.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/its-because-im-young-im-female-and-im-maori
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October 2, 2023 8:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  She is up against Mahuta who is Electorate only and literally believes she is born to rule.
  Is there any actual evidence this wasn’t infighting?
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:00am
- rouppe
  
  Yes, it’s this loaded language that makes me go hmmmm
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:11am
- Damocles11
  
  If a purported ‘racist’ was behind the purported politically motivated ‘attacks’, why would they be going after this person who isn’t even an MP, and not Mahuta who led the charge on 3 Waters? Make it make sense.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:52am
peterwn

Interesting. James has confirmed that (as in 2017) he would not contact Chris Luxton after the election. But then why is James suggesting Chris L could phone him without the risk of being told ‘where to get off’.
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October 2, 2023 8:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who is Chris LUXTON?
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:57am
  - alloytoo
    
    John Keys neighbour.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:01am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Mike Hoskings’ mate
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:24am
  - crackle
    
    I think hes a friend of that other well known political figure John Keys
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:01am
  - Ghost
    
    Usually he is an autocorrect
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:12am
    - kowtow
      
      The way he’s corrected some of his MPs I’d say he could be an autocrat.
      
      badum tish
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:38am
Tomtoddy

As is to be expected the support media are all over Peters after the interview with Tame. I am absolutely no fan of Peters who I suggest is a charlatan and a manipulator, but Tame’s arrogant and bullying tactics need calling out. I accept that TV needs a little drama to compete as a medium but TVNZ and Tame are just too precious and too rude by half. Any information that was revealed in that interview could have been elucidated with half the time, some carefully worded quiet questions and let us make the conclusions. Tame is a prat, an insult to interviewing.

There is an obvious agenda to rile and rankle, to be the top dog interviewer, to create drama when none is needed. The subject matter was largely irrelevant to the main causes voters want to see – it was put together knowing Peters couldn’t answer and therefore allow Tame to create a spectacle. His interview with Shaw was an interesting contrast making us all aware of the bias not just by Tame but TVNZ itself.
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October 2, 2023 8:07am
- pdm
  
  I am with you TT.
  
  Will Tame be stood down?
  No – he is all TVNZ have left.
  
  Will Tame be on the Labour list in 2026?
  It would not surprise me if he was.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:09am
  - Colville
    
    Surely you are joking if you think Lame would step away from a VERY well paid cushy role where he does what he wants and into public life where he would have to work and be accountable??
    
    He is doing a stellar job for TVNZ… people are talking about him!
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:17am
    - Flossie
      
      “….work and be accountable..”??? Where does this happen?!
      
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      October 2, 2023 9:48am
      - Colville
        
        …well there is this thing called an “election” where a lot of Labour MPs are going to be given the arse…
        
        accountability in action.
        
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        October 2, 2023 10:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It would surprise me if he wasn’t on Labour’s list 2026.
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:21am
    - Matt Long
      
      Tame would never enter parliament to be an obscure MP like Coffey, he gets to preen for the cameras daily as it stands, and would feel far more effective about pushing regressivism where he is.
      
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      October 2, 2023 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Surely as a Labour MP Tame if Listed could not possibly afford to be an MP !
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:25pm
  - Flossie
    
    Can’t see Tame as just one of a team – any team. He likes to be top dog.
    He’d prefer to ask the questions rather than be pushed to give answers.
    But maybe he would be a Labour candidate if they would let him be leader?
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:23am
  - RoboRob
    
    Tames a greenie, the only list he would be on is the Greens.
    
    Personally I think this whole thing is great for Winston. It doesn’t matter how bad Tame made Winston look as most didn’t watch it. It does however give Winston far more airtime and coverage than his party deserves. I’m no fan of the Greens but they have a much higher party vote but almost zero coverage.
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:41am
    - Damocles11
      
      Winston would be stoked with that interview. He didn’t answer any questions, but his supporters won’t be concerned with that.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:01am
    - I remember when
      
      The Green’s party vote goes up proportionate to their lack of visibility and actual actions.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:55pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Did anyone else notice in that interview how Winston has aged?
      
      In the past when he challenged back on his questioner, he conveyed power and an aura not to be trifled with.
      
      Yesterday he was looking more and more hunched and grey. And his phrases lacked the sound of power, almost like he didn’t have the breath to sustain him. Not to mention repeating the same tired rebuttal over and over.
      
      Definitely not the Winston of yesteryear.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:13pm
      - Damocles11
        
        “Aw geez, not tough questions. Can’t you just let me have my baubles?”
        
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        October 2, 2023 6:20pm
  - cmm
    
    The way Labour support looks like it is cratering, is it worth putting your name on the list?
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Cmm,
      
      That’s probably what Hipkins is thinking this morning .
      
      I’m also wondering , based purely on Hipkins tenuous relationship with the truth, whether he actually has the ‘vid or whether he has thrown in the towel.
      
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      October 2, 2023 9:21am
      - Local Miller
        
        This was my thought as well. Is he just looking for a way to avoid the public? He’ll do video interviews, but not being face to face in public indicates to me that he knows he and Liebour are toast.
        
        Like Biden in 2020, campaigning from the basement.
        
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        October 2, 2023 10:35am
      - cmm
        
        I can imagine Hipkins, sitting at home with the curtains drawn eating comfort foods and feeling sorry for himself.
        
        No doubt cursing Cindy for bailing and leaving him with her litter tray to clean up.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:46pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        @cmm
        I doubt if Cindy cares.
        She has been cavorting around New York with George Clooney. That is much more fun.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:08pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Alwyn,
        
        I bet George can’t keep his eyes off her.
        
        Any sign of the fisherman and the daughter?
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Tame put it to Peters’ that his $10 mil to some race track in Chch was somehow payback to his funders/sponsors , the implication being it was corrupt , as it was according to Tame , outside of the rules.
  
  Peters replied that that was signed off by Cabinet.
  
  Would Tame or tvnz put that alleged inappropriate spending to any Labour members of Cabinet ?
  
  Will any other members of the media pardy take the issue up at all ?
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:18am
- artemisia
  
  There should not be an expectation that a leader of a minor party not even in Parliament should have every fact tip of the tongue. And be reamed for that.
  
  Maybe if such a party had huge taxpayer funded resources with access to data to curate the talking points …
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t bother listening to children interviewers like Tame.
  He should be or Play School or What Now.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:19am
  - Terry Dalee
    
    Nah, Tame wouldn’t be able to handle Play School.
    Big Ted and Little Ted would own Tame. Their silence is far more educational and informative than anything that Tame says….
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:43am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I think you watched this with different eyes than mine.
  
  There was certainly arrogance and bullying on display, but it wasn’t from Jack Tame. The questions from Tame were not difficult and a politician that was better prepared would not have had to resort to Bluff and Bluster, as Winston did.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:28am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I normally wouldn’t have a problem with Tames interviews with Peters and Luxon. But compare and contrast his interviews with them, to the interviews he did with Ardern. He starts off OK and then just gave her a free pass to talk unadulterated drivel (and by the way, her command of the english language is appalling). And refude premises.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:33am
- 3-coil
  
  Yes Tom – eg. it was glaringly biased that Tame didn’t go near Shaw’s (now non-existent) “BA” degree from Victoria University…or his other UK degree that Jimmy won’t release the details of to let it be verified! Hypocrites the pair of them.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The way things are heading, it would not surprise me if New Zealand First secures more of the party vote than ACT, or close to it. Only a few weeks ago I was thinking New Zealand First at 5 percent and ACT at 15 percent. No way that is happening.
  
  BTW I heard Nicola Willis say that she wanted to get a “mini budget” out by Christmas. That will be a challenge because it could well be mid November before a new Government is sworn in.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    “. That will be a challenge because it could well be mid November before a new Government is sworn in.”
    
    What’s to stop working on it now? Or even the last 5 years?
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:45am
    - PeeJay
      
      Because the real state of the books will only be apparent once the new government is in place. The real state of the books will be a disaster – any plan you have will need to be completely redone.
      
      If NZ First are required (and like Benedict, I sadly suspect they will), Winston will not sign an agreement without the required 4 to 8 weeks of him lapping up the attention as king maker. He is an egotist and he will keep Labour, National and the country waiting as long as he can – and yes, he may still go with Labour after all that’s been said and done.
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:54am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Despite how it is portrayed by the TOW re-writers, the TOW was not signed overnight. Deliberations and discussions were held, and due diligence done.
        
        Peters, as a seasoned lawyers, will be doing due diligence and that, more that anything else will be the cause of a delayed agreement.
        
        A coalition is like a marriage or divorce, it takes time to work out the specifics.
        
        Only on the left do they jump into bed with someone in a day or so.
        
        Labour: “Greens, are you on board with a coalition?”
        
        Greens: “Yep, yep, we both hate National and ACT. That’s all we need to agree on.”
        
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        October 2, 2023 11:01am
      - Keith White
        
        I’m sometimes unable to tell the difference between seasoned lawyers and marinated lawyers.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:12pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Simple. The production of such an economic statement will require detailed costings, policy advice, and Cabinet decisions. The Treasury will need to coordinate this process. None of that can happen until Nicola Willis is Minister of Finance.
      
      IMO a credible economic statement will take 6 weeks. Work would need to begin by 1 November at the latest.
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:55am
      - cmm
        
        You can still work on it. Build up all the spreadsheets etc with provisional numbers and then put in final numbers when they are available.
        
        A “mini-budget” is not the final thing. It is a “heads up”.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:02am
      - imalwaysright
        
        B,
        Like the last budget?
        
        A mini budget can be formulated before swearing in.
        
        National have a good idea of the situation and will already know of the urgent changes they want to implement.
        They will be preparing for the worst likely case and any amendments will be minor.
        
        Its called planning.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:05am
      - Prince
        
        As Benedict says, Treasury would coordinate this.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “You can still work on it. Build up all the spreadsheets etc with provisional numbers …”
        
        It really does not work like that. Politicians and their staffers so not have the capability to do such work. You can wish all you want but the statement that Nicola Willis has signaled cannot be formulated and published in 2 weeks. No chance. Apart from the costings and policy changes, all changes to Appropriations require highly detailed Cabinet decisions. Winston will (probably) be in Cabinet.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:35am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        And during those 6 weeks there’d need to be daily press releases cobbled together spelling out the absolute disaster that NZ’s finances are in. There will be more skeletons in Robertson’s closet than the Waikumete Cemetery.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:52am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Any reasonable incoming govt, picking up this shitshow, will know they have to audit the books, as there will be all sorts of hidden liabilities and costs, not just in govt, but in SOEs, and they will be digging up financial time bombs and dog shit at every turn for months to come.
        
        e.g. how many private health consultants/contractors that were propping up public health services, had contracts terminated or suspended leading up to the PREFU to create “visible savings”, and that will necessitate “new” budgeted spending in health to maintain services and that will blow out the budget? And that Labour will use post election to criticise the incoming govt?
        
        Labour has probably been right for the wrong reasons about Nationals projected financial policy.
        
        “National’s financial policies are not costed right.” (because we’ve raided the piggy bank and run up all sorts of extra debt, that cannot be met.)
        
        I predict post election, that sales of blood pressure pills will increase.
        
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        October 2, 2023 11:13am
      - artemisia
        
        A mini budget will not be comprehensive and there are lots of subject matter experts at The Treasury and others to be called on in departments. Those BIMs will already be in final draft. Officials will have planned for change, not just BAU, and will have had heads up from current and likely Finance Ministers.
        
        Yes there will be high activity on all fronts. As expected.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:37pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Because the real state of the books will only be apparent once the new government is in place. ”
        
        I’m not so sure about that. I think that the PREFU presents a correct picture. I guess I will find out if I am wrong shortly 🙂
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:54pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    That scenario doesn’t bear thinking about!
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:46am
  - ecco
    
    What a sick country NZ is, if there are people stupid enough to vote for Peters off the back of a 5 week campaign where he’s just said things that will press people’s buttons. The race card etc, which the woke media never calls him out on, neither do the maori party and Labour party.
    
    I guess the one thing Peters did, ie the Gold card, really has paid dividends. I know my late mother loved that free lunch. ie not having to pay for public transport on a daily basis. There are not many free lunches in life but that Gold card is one of them.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:01am
    - Flossie
      
      Lots of people live in areas with zero public transport so that gold card is as useless as a chocolate teapot for us.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Used my Goldcard once to travel From the Shore to the City, then a loop bus up to K road. Then walk across to the Auckland Hospital for allergy test.
      Suxamethonium gave me anaphylaxis, could have died. Got a Medic Alert necklace.
      Anyway return by two buses.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:51am
    - My
      
      ..if there are people stupid enough to vote for Peters off the back of a 5 week campaign..
      They are out there. Happened to Jac in 2017.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:18pm
      - Paulus
        
        Must be something in that -this morning we tried to Vote in two places we could en route to Supermarket.
        Guess what, long queues in both places – we enquired – sorry for delay we do not have staff to do the job.
        One big one had two whole people with eight booths set up.
        Will wait.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:31pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Discovered yesterday that a woman we’ve known for many years, staunch Labour voter, is considering voting for NZ First merely to stuff ACT.
    
    Chris Trotter has already made it clear to his readers that he’s voting for Winnie, though has been vague about his reasons – aside from trashing Labour – leaving me to wonder if his strategy is the same as that woman’s, and how many other Lefties are following the same path?
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:26am
    - Colville
      
      Its a very interesting sideshow to the big event.
      
      Labour voters moving to NZF to nullify ACT.
      
      National voters moving to ACT to nullify NZF.
      
      None of it is good for poor Chippy tho. Diddums.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:44pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Well if Labour voters defect to NZ First, that’s fine in my book. Anything that reduces the Labour vote is fine in my book. They are the number 1 enemy that must be defeated first and foremost. The bigger their defeat, the better. If the NZ First vote is increasing, National voters should think about making a tactical decision to ensure National’s coalition partner is a genuine centre-right party rather than a ‘seeker of baubles’.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:53pm
  - Philview
    
    We must have reached peak dysfunction now that we have some journalists salivating with joy that NZ First could cause carnage within the next Government.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:24am
    - NothingLeft
      
      How fuck-headed is it that people who live in NZ would want a NZ govt to be badly run?
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:45pm
    - Paulus
      
      If Winston holds the balance of power there will be another election within three months.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:32pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Tame is a militant greenie. He would not ask his mate about his dodgy uni degree.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  These attitudes go directly back to the “days of our lives” with Jacinda Ardern.
  Ms Ardern relied on the adulation of the state funded media and thus journalists (the TV variety in particular) were transformed from workers like us into puffed-up celebrities.
  The news has become about “Tova, then Jessica, but not you Barry”, Rebecca Wright and Tame.
  They don’t even bother to try to disguise their agendas – as voters we must be “told” what to think, because the reporters know best.
  Another legacy of Ms Ardern’s socialism gone wrong.
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:48am
  - artemisia
    
    Let us not forget the prescience of naming the Broadcasting School website NZBS.com.
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Daze of our lives.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:53am
    - Keith White
      
      Lies of our days.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:12pm
- mogg
  
  TVNZ and Tame are only ever playing ‘gotcha’ politics, as in look how clever I am, I know and you don’t.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:04am
- bjools
  
  A possible solution to balancing the budget and the news coverage, at the same time.
  Sell TV 1 to Fox News and TV 2 to CNN.
  Allow Radio NZ a dignified and natural death, with palliative care and a no resuscitation order.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:05am
  - alloytoo
    
    100%
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:44am
  - Flossie
    
    Why on earth would Fox, CNN, or anybody else for that matter, want to buy them.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:01am
  - Ghost
    
    Won’t ever be sold or closed down.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:04am
  - kowtow
    
    Go full Seymour and euthanise the lot.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:45pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Give each MP a budget of $200k/annum that they can share around print and broadcast media any way they want. No special funding status for RNZ or Maori channels – they have to contest it like everyone else. NZ on air to work the same way, if not just cancelled. All govt advertising to be shared around in exactly same proportions.
    
    That would ensure all parties in parliament get proportional media representations and current 90% left wing NZ media would be left scrapping over 40-50% of funding, that would quickly correct their editorial slant, see them severely downsizing, and see balancing media organisation on right expand.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:56pm
- Rusty
  
  @Tomtoddy
  
  To quote a common phrase at the moment Tames interview was “an isolated incident”
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:11am
  - bjools
    
    “Lone wolf” terror…..err I mean reporting (misnomer)
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:20am
  - I remember when
    
    “an isolation incident”
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:25pm
- JJ56
  
  Did you see the interview, Winston was hopeless, and uncomfortable. As I said yesterday desperation is a stinky cologne.
  
  Not the Winston of old, and fully deserving of the Tame treatment he got.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:17am
- greybeard
  
  Peters did not appear to have many facts and figures on hand.
  Why not? He has had plenty of time to get them.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:22am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    See if you can get one of these moron ‘journalists’ to ask Seymour how he came to the conclusion there is no excess all cause mortality and see how he handles that question.
    
    It’s selective questions to whoever suits the Marxist media’s favoured politicians. Hence the glaring absence of questions to Shaw re his CV and educational claims.
    
    Like him or loathe him, Peters obviously worries the Labour/Green/Maori controlled ~~media~~propaganda outlets.
    
    He must be saying something right.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Why not?
    
    1. Whisky
    2. Sleeping in the afternoons
    3. Not interested. Saps will vote for him anyway
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:43pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kk – I’m still undecided, but I will promise my vote to Act the moment Seymour explains how he came to the conclusion there is no worrying excess all cause mortality in NZ.
      
      Last time I got a response from him in an email from him in response to that question, he stated it was covid that was causing it and to think anything different I would have to be delusional.
      
      His words. I have it on record.
      
      That one sentence makes it difficult for me to consider him. I’m hoping he can be better man and come back to me with an honest response.
      
      I have tried to get hold of him a few times since to clarify, not even the customary ‘acknowledgement of receipt’ response.
      
      Presumably I’m in his ‘trash’ folder. I’ve responded in kind.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:09pm
- rockape
  
  You said questions Peters couldn’t answer. I don’t like Peters or Tame but I would have thought your policies should be costed after all he is an ex finance minister .
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    You don’t bother costing policies that you have no expectation of being delivered.
    If Peters wanted to give an answer on costs, he could you have generalised that it would cost billions to get the country back on track after this government, but he knows how to bat away any questions without being pinned down.
    Robertson does it by barefaced lying about his spending intentions.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:43am
    - rockape
      
      So post election it would be ok for Winston to say. Well all those policies we campaigned on are out now because they are not financially viable. If you can’t cost your policies, even roughly, then your not fit to be a party leader. I have doubts about Winston’s mental health. Sounds more and more like my demented mother- in -law every day.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        No, you just say we failed to get enough votes to get our policies through coalition talks. If people wanted our policies they should have voted for us.
        Or you say we’ll ramp up to our 10,000 kiwibuild houses over the next few years, thanks for the votes 😁😁😁😁
        Next thing you be telling me your favourite party intends to keep its election promises and has no hidden agendas.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:02pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Luxon did not have the balls to push back at Tame when insinuated that he benefitted from the legislation he was proposing because he was a landlord.
  
  Tame accused Peters of corruption relating to racing and called him a racist. Peters was entirely entitled to say what he did. We have a corrupt media that has been bought and paid for by this corrupt government.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:33am
  - alloytoo
    
    What Luxon needs to say is that policy shouldn’t be constrained by whether it helps wealthy people or not, especially if it’s good for the country as a whole.
    
    We should be striving to make everyone wealthy, not make everyone poor.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:49am
Prince

Listening to Shane Jones on RNZ today there can be no doubt NZ First will go with Labour and the Left alliance.
National’s numbers don’t add up so no tax cuts, and their foreign tax housing package apparently will stop new house buyers in their tracks.

Jones is tribal Labour, Peters will always seek revenge against National. We know they will dream up any old excuse for a decision they have already made.
Vote NZ First if you must, but know you are voting for another three years of Labour.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018909288
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- Benedict Yu
  
  It beggars belief that people voting for Winston think that he would not go with Labour and the Greens. It is entirely plausible and both Winston and Hipkins would flat out lie how it did not betray any promises that they made.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:38am
  - bjools
    
    Desperation also makes strange bedfellows.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:24am
  - mogg
    
    As it stands NZF + Labour + Greens + TPM could not gain a majority, also you don’t seem to understand what a vindictive old git Winston is, he harboured a grudge against Bill English for more than 20 yrs. Labour made a fool of him in 2017, I would give odds that he will not go Labour this time.
    Given the chance he will rub their noses in it this time.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:04pm
- PeeJay
  
  Overheard a funny story yesterday about NZF voters.
  
  Couple of guys having lunch at the next table talked about a mate of theirs voting NZF to get rid of Labour – said they’d leave if Labour got back in! The guy at lunch said he’s going to steal this blokes passport – if he votes NZF and the country gets stuck with Labour / Greens / Maori / NZF, then this guy should be made to suffer the consequences!
  
  I couldn’t help but laugh – almost like a “you broke it you bought it sign”!
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:05am
- Damocles11
  
  Even if he went with National, both he and Jones have made it clear they will be scuppering anything National tries to do.
  
  Peters is behind the attacks on ACT. He needs to go past ACT and de-power Seymour so that he and he alone has the whip hand in negotiations with National, including obtaining the plum Deputy PM, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Racing roles for himself, and Minister of Broadcasting for Jones to deliver ‘Utu’.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:08am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Dam,
    It looks like Seymour is damaging his own support single handedly.
    He seems triggered merely by the existence of Winston .
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:39am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Nah
      What you are seeing is the frothing and spluttering on Blogs
      Nothing more
      Don’t read too much into what zealots like Chuck and G the Giant (lol) say.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:00pm
- artemisia
  
  If there is a National led government it will be fascinating to see who is right and who is wrong about the rich foreign home buyer tax intake. Personally leaning towards National’s numbers – there are many very wealthy folk in the world for whom $2mill+ is pocket fluff. And they have family members also to buy homes for.
  
  Plus these wealthy folk no doubt chat to each other – good experiences will attract the likeminded.
  
  New Zealand might need to loosen up on private choppers, superyacht berths and rules about what colour paint is permitted.
  
  I see Realestate.co.nz spokesperson Vanessa Williams doesn’t see a significant impact and said “Homes priced over $2 million tend to spend more than twice as long on our site than those priced closer to the national average asking price, telling me that demand is not currently satisfying supply in this area of the market.” (RNZ today). Umm, could a major rule change make a difference?
  
  Reports came in recently from a couple of folk at the sharp end of the high value overseas market – big jump in enquiries. Chickens, hatch, for sure.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:59pm
  - Colville
    
    Out at a beach I am pretty familiar with most of the nice homes never get to the market. Someone knows that a owner is thinking of selling and talks to someone they know who has been looking and waiting for years. Sold for cash. Hardly get a bare site (if there were any) for $2mil.
    Very tight supply of top end houses and very high demand.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:52pm
    - artemisia
      
      There are also developers and builders closing down. New builds and big renos for the rich might make them pause before heading over the ditch.
      
      My Wellington street is not mansions but few if any would be under the $2mill mark. I think many people may hear median prices but are not aware of quiet listings or private marketing in the likes of cities, Waiheke Island or Queenstown. Some selling in the tens of millions.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:07pm
      - Colville
        
        The top end of the market is totally insulated from year to year fluctuations.
        If you can afford a beachhouse in a different country you are thinking about what colour the new jet will be.. Not if you can afford weetbix.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:34pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  How many new home buyers are in the market for $2m homes?
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:19pm
  - Colville
    
    There would be a few trust fund kids and those coming in from abroad…but I wouldn’t think it would stretch to 5% of FHBs.
    
    But they will all be Nat/ACT voters anyway 🙂
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:54pm
- Paulus
  
  Jones only wants to control another $3 billion to distribute without reference or reporting to his northern tribal Maori pals.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:36pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Northern Maori need ongoing slush funds as they cannot sort themselves internally to settle with the Crown. Contrast them with Waikato Maori who now control an extensive business empire off the back of treaty settlement cash.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:59pm
- miltonF
  
  I’m actually more concerned about a National/Labour coalition. They have the most alignment on policy. After watching the leaders debate I came out with the impression that they were both on the same team? It was a very relaxed and cordial, joking affair.
  
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  October 2, 2023 4:10pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  If Jones is tribal Labour, why did he sing “Please release me” on leaving in 2015 or whenever it was? There is no way in hell NZF is going into coalition with LINO and the Greens – Peters and Jones both despise the Greens, and Peters has always been a social conservative.
  
  To clarify, I won’t be voting for NZF.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:27pm
G152

Covid being so infectious one would expect that now most of the liebor members who are visiting sites and soliciting votes would have caught the lurgi from Chippie them all being so close and all.
Infection or an electoral ruse?????????
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October 2, 2023 8:09am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I have said many times – Covid is Labour’s only chance.
  Hipkins reminding the electorate about Covid right before the election is an incredible piece of “luck” for Labour.
  Now all they need is some evidence that National or ACT are “anti-mandate or anti science crazies” (their narrative, not mine) and they might have a chance.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:13am
  - rockape
    
    Winston is Labours only chance.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:55am
    - Keith White
      
      “Help us Oboy Chris Can’tShowup, you’re our only hope.”
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:15pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Keith,
        I want you to know that I got your Obi Wan Kenobi reference.
        Well done.
        Uttered by the lovely princess Leia.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:50pm
Cassandra

National’s action plan has some good stuff but not one word – not one – on the most important issue of this election: race relations. It’s simple, does NZ become an ethno-state or not? Luxon and National are pussyfooting around this issue, probably because the party is hopelessly divided. Its left wants much the sam3 as Labour and its right wants what Act stands for. Never the twain. Great pity.
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October 2, 2023 8:15am
- rockape
  
  I think he has said often enough, “ We are allNew Zealanders.”
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’s as meaningless a trope as Ardern’s ‘kind and caring’ or worse still, ‘safe and effective’.
    
    It’s a political sound bite to appeal to the gullible. It isn’t stating anything of any substance.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:06am
    - kowtow
      
      Too right .
      
      On this constitutional issue , it’s not a “race” issue , he’s very happy to make a very strong sound bite , ‘One man One vote’, or “no co governance in provision of public services ” .
      
      But then he says ” “We just don’t support the co-governance of public services and that is something that has been different from what has happened in say, the previous National government, where there was co-governance in the context of treaty settlements and the management of local natural resources between iwi and also district councils and other stakeholders, and I think that worked incredibly well and I want to see more of that continue.”
      
      Note that the Nats claimed it was originally “co management” ( Finlayson ) but now it has become co governance under Luxon.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:51am
      - krazykiwi
        
        There you have it, tribal Nats.
        
        Luxon wants more co-governance in the context of treaty settlements.
        
        National wants more apartheid.
        
        Own it.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:49pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Good. Now, what’s he going to do to bring that about? Why is that not in the Top 10?
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:34am
  - Paulus
    
    It is quite apparent that Maori have made very good progress but can now sit back and wait the next opportunity -time is on their side.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:38pm
- Damocles11
  
  Well the Maori Health Authority is going to be scrapped for starters. If ‘we’ can stop another 3 year term of Labour / Green / Te Pati Maori rolling out separatism, that is a big win. We need to stop their momentum here and now.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:13am
  - Cassandra
    
    It needs much more than just moving the MHA sideways.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:35am
  - thirteenstars
    
    MHA is a symptom not a cause. Shutting it down is optics at best. Reti has said many times the staff will be folded into Te Whatu Ora, probably as a Maori Health Unit.
    
    Same shit, different day.
    
    What needs to be cauterised is the source of this separatism which is education and the Treaty bandwagon. National’s plan for education seems to consist of merely teaching future activists to read and count better.
    
    I wouldn’t have a clue what they intend to do about the Treaty gravy train which has only served to raise expectations of more trains filled with more gravy and has been a powerful enabler of co-governance ideology.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:43am
    - Paulus
      
      You mean the main source of Senior Staff in the MHA is based on the best Maori for the jobs usually called Nepotism surely !
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:52pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    We know what the disease is, racism. Cut it out. Don’t stick a band aid on it.
    
    National are playing politics for optics.
    
    They are doing the same with the covid shit show of the last 3 years by pretending it didn’t happen.
    
    We all know what’s happening and we alll see how dangerous it is. Just look at Tamihere’s tweets to Sean Plunkett and tell me that those are not barely veiled physical threats.
    
    https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1708558045368942841
    
    To paraphrase:
    
    ‘Wait until we have the numbers, there will be remedies’
    
    This has to be stopped right now.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The repeal of the Three Waters legislation cancels co-governance. The disestablishment of the Maori Health Authority will nobble race-based healthcare. And the repeal of Labour’s version of the RMA will also deal to the co-governance provisions it carries.
  
  That’s three major items gone inside 100 days, all of which had racial overtones; what more do you want? As for disunity within Labour, I’ve never seen the party so united and focused. I guess it all depends on one’s perspective.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:23pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Tony, this quote is attributed to Luxon:
    
    “We just don’t support the co-governance of public services and that is something that has been different from what has happened in say, the previous National government, where there was co-governance in the context of treaty settlements and the management of local natural resources between iwi and also district councils and other stakeholders, and I think that worked incredibly well and I want to see more of that continue.”
    
    Emphasis mine. Luxon is all in on co-governance (aka apartheid) with the sole exception of public services.
    
    Help me understand how this “cancels co-governance”?
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:43pm
    - Damocles11
      
      What he is saying is that a lot of Maori control over rivers and mountains and lakes and stuff in various regions is now ‘baked in’. It was all signed off in the existing settlements. It is done, it is dusted. It won’t be relitigated now. The only major settlements left to undertake are the ones with the Northland tribes.
      He is acknowledging the reality of what *has* happened, when others for some reason will not.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:06pm
      - kowtow
        
        “and I want to see more of that continue.”
        
        Plenty more to come by the sound of it.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:39pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        This is how Nat supporters wilfully look the other way.
        
        Luxon said “I want to see MORE of that…”
        
        Again, National isn’t so much about fixing these problems but about managing and navigating and every other euphemism that means business as usual with a blue rinse.
        
        And again, wilfully looking the other way, as Rawhiti, Tamihere and Willie Jackson, Marama Davidson, Willow Jean-Prime and a legion of others stoke the fires of separatism, talk openly about changing the meaning of democracy and outbreeding the white colonialists.
        
        Wake the hell up.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:49pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    No Tony, repeal of 3 Waters would not “cancel co-governance.” My union has recently implemented co-governance, research funding bodies already have Maaori co-chairs … coming soon to some organization you depend on or are engaged with. And the cuck Nats will do little to stop it unless someone else forces their hand.
    
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    October 3, 2023 6:38am
emmess

Its interesting when travelling around Northland, if you knew absolutely nothing about NZ politics but you figured out an election was on judged by roadside hoardings alone, you would think the major parties are NZ First, Democracy NZ, NZ Loyal and National, in that order then followed by few other stragglers.
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October 2, 2023 8:15am
- Colville
  
  If you were traveling around Northland and knew nothing about New Zealand you would think that no one in New Zealand knows how to use a paint brush, lawn mower or broom!
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:04am
Tricati

Yesterday afternoon the wife & I went and watch “River of Freedom’ and the theatre was packed, with the next session also being booked out.
Its no wonder a lot of pressure was put on Picture Theatres to not show it, as it’s a damming indictment on how the government behaved and the Police were used.
Each time Ardern, Hipkins, Bloomfield, Mallard or Michael Wood came on screen, there was significant scorn from the patrons.
It was really clear that those protesting in the main where for anti-mandate, not anti-vaccine as proposed by the government and MSM. Clearly there were those there who were anti-vac, but still had the right to protest and should have been listened too.
Also, with a mixture of ages and ethnicities, its hard to accept the Government/MSM view that it was driven by ‘white supremacists’ – Clearly just more BS as a distraction.
I came away asking, ‘Why the hell didn’t Luxon, or Seymour go and talk to them’. After watching the movie, it was clear in the early stages both Luxon & Seymour could have made significant gains by speaking to a protest representative group – I would really like to know why they didn’t and who’s advice did they take.
I know a picture theatre full of like minded people is a small sample, but I got the feeling there is still a large under-current of dislike towards Labour & Ardern, that maybe is not being picked up in the recent polls – Bloody hope so.
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October 2, 2023 8:16am
- Sparrow
  
  Totally agree. I had the same experience when I saw it. Hopefully the message gets through that the protest was against the mandates. The violence carried out by the police was disgusting on ordinary kiwis exercising their democratic rights whilst police act as traffic wardens for gangs. Unbelievable
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have not seen River of Freedom, but I will.
  A review by Sesh (Mike King’s son)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kggo5Rdr9MI
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:07am
  - Tricati
    
    Great review and captures the feelings of those at the session my wife & I went to very well – Good Job.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I never liked Sesh at first, but he is straight up!
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:01pm
- Paulus
  
  It6 appears from photos that Ardern is now what is called an “A LISTER” in New York so gets invites to all sorts of things where they still think she is wunnerful.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought she would be an “INFLUENCER”
    She influenced NZ with her lies and vaccine blackmail.
    
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    October 2, 2023 3:03pm
  - mawm
    
    My diehard communist friend in the US thinks she is wonderful. But then he also thinks Joe is, that Joe is not a racist but the Nazi Trump is, and that Joe’s family are not grifters like the Trump family.
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:48pm
3-coil

Why wasn’t Hipkins fully covid-vaccinated and received his booster?? At the most crucial time in the domestic political year he’s been mixing unmasked (and evidently unprotected/unvaccinated) with the general public – how cavalier and selfish is that! His hypocrisy, lazy ignorance and selfish disdain for his supporters show he is unfit to be the Prime Minister.
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October 2, 2023 8:16am
- greybeard
  
  You don’t still believe that “vaccination” and boosters actually DO anything, do you ?
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The only thing the vaccines did was get you a passport, to go have a beer.
    Wearing a mask is like putting up a wire deer fence to keep out mosquitos.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:23am
    - Keith White
      
      Or having a condom stapled to the bedside 🙂
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:19pm
  - mawm
    
    Grey – I’m sure there was some sarcasm there.
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:03pm
oldpark

Hipkins “Sick” how convenient. Perhaps the real truth is .He is “Sick” of no one listening to his propaganda after such a disastrous previous “Sick” years with the help of the woman from Morrinsville now big noting in the USA.
Also “Sick” of his Partys’ terrible mid twenties low polling popularity .
Now a throw of the dice being “Sick” hoping like the clown who is PM in Australia who got the sympathy vote after reporting he had the same “Sick” illness. When Australia last went to the Polls.
Be as it all may the real winner in the saga of Ardern/Hipkins legacy and disaster for NZ over last “Sick” years is our old friend Karma.
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October 2, 2023 8:19am
Observant Octagenarian

Has Chippy been vaccinated against Covid, and had the boosters?
If yes, then why did he catch it?
If no, why not?
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October 2, 2023 8:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Because the Pfizer vaccine does not prevent the transmission of COVID.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-did-not-know-whether-covid-vaccine-stopped-transmission-before-rollout-executive-admits/news-story/f307f28f794e173ac017a62784fec414
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    Not according to Hipkins.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:51am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Clearly. The only rationale for the “vaccine passes” was that the vaccine stopped transmission.
      
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      October 2, 2023 10:19am
      - kowtow
        
        The only rationale for the “vaccine” was it gave politicians who were railroaded ( willingly or otherwise) by a panicking and hyperventilating media pardy into draconian , authoritarian lockdowns ( in order to pretend to be doing something , anything an excuse to open up again.
        
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        October 2, 2023 10:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There is mounting evidence that each extra ‘booster’ increases your chance of catching covid.
    
    I know I might have had it once, I had one normal winter bug in July. Felt like just the usual, but I’ll never know if I have covid because I’ve never tested and never will. Just like I’ve never worn a mask and never will.
    Numerous vaccinated people I know have had 2 or more bouts of covid. I know, correlation is not causation, but the signals are all pointing in the same direction.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:40am
    - Mummy
      
      Friends of ours have had it five times between them. Vaxxed to the max.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:38pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And the number of vaxxed people I know who have ‘long covid’ is next level. None of the unvaxxed people I know have it even though a couple of them have had covids.
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:28pm
    - mawm
      
      Clan – how much correlation does one need before there is acceptance of causation? Asking for a friend.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:06pm
    - miltonF
      
      Seems that way. I don’t know of a single unvaccinated person who has had covid more than once. Typically mild.
      
      I know of several vaxaholics that have been completely floored by Covid multiple times.
      
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      October 2, 2023 4:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Are those rhetorical questions?
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If he had caught the virus a year or so ago, he might have had some natural immunity to the virus by now.
  
  Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:27am
  - HeatherW
    
    Covid-19 went through Parliament in 2022. Chris Hipkins listed as testing positive around 16/3/22.
    
    In yesterday’s Covid19 report (for previous week) 1318 cases listed as reinfections.
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:57pm
igm

So Hipkins has Covid . . . what a shame, maybe he would like to trade it for some of the terminal illnesss he has burdened many New Zealanders with, thanks to his illegal mandates.
Really, who cares about the little communist wimp?
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October 2, 2023 8:24am
Philip Hart

A couple of weekends ago on Sunday afternoon a couple of cars must have had a small coming together on an intersection near our house. There was a small amount of safety glass on the road, probably from a headlight. I drove by it a couple of times and it was soon only visible on the centreline and sides of the road. You could have swept it up with a broom in 10 minutes. Sunday afternoon, winter, Whitianga, barely a person or car around.

Enter Higgins road sweeper truck at 3pm, flashing light. Parks up alongside the glass. He sits there for 3 hours. About 6pm and getting dark 3 utes turn up with more flashing lights, cones placed for 100m 3 ways, stop/go flashing lights activated and traffic (all 2 cars) held up for 5 minutes at a time so the sweeper truck passes back and forth a couple of times. 7pm after retrieving the cones they all head off, no doubt another 2 hours or so with the meter running.

The sweeper truck must have been here already but I suspect the 3 utes came from Thames or further.

I shudder to think how much that cost the taxpayer.
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October 2, 2023 8:26am
- JackRabbit
  
  I shudder to think how much that cost the taxpayer.
  
  Or if they were Labour voters on a good wicket.
  
  Man with broom = $50
  
  The scenario you describe?
  Weekend rates, call out fees, minimum hours, multiple vehicles, road cones, travel back and forth…. $20k?
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:22am
- NothingLeft
  
  The reason why we can’t build or maintain infrastructure and taxes and rates and building and business operating costs have gone up to such a ridiculous degree.
  
  The insanity of safety elves gone mad must be exorcised from NZ law.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:02pm
  - surfing
    
    Is New Zealand a much safer place to work today than say 30 years ago?
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:03pm
- greybeard
  
  I had a similar experience this morning: in the past 2 weeks Higgins have been effecting a replacement stormwater sump in my Kapiti Coast street.
  
  Job: remove existing damaged/leaky sump, install new one, repair road.
  
  They did the last bit today ( just replacing the half-square-metre of road seal around the new grill ).
  
  This was indeed “peak personnel attendance” !
  SEVEN trucks of various types and sizes, and TEN men !
  
  I wonder if the Higgins management really know what is going on in their company ! Probably yes, and they are ripping-off the KCDC no end !
  
  To do a job any one of us could have finished in 30 minutes with a wheelbarrow and shovel. Unbelieveable.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:01pm
Bridgenag

The GloboCap Nazi Follies

GloboCap factotums like Trudeau can denounce the Canadian truckers as fascists, and persecute them, and run them down with horses, one day, and then slobber over a literal Nazi the next.
“What happened was, on the eve of Yom Kippur, members of the Canadian House of Commons and assorted invited dignitaries and diplomats stood up in the Canadian parliament and paid extensive homage to a Nazi. Not a figurative Nazi. A literal Nazi. A member of the Waffen SS.
They did this shamelessly, exuberantly, on camera, in front of the entire world.”………..
“Anyway, someone drew attention to Yaroslav Hunka’s Nazi history, and the shit hit the fan on social media. The stink soon spread to the corporate and state media, which had no choice but to get on the bandwagon. They couldn’t get away with ignoring the story, so they were forced to report it, and spin it as a “blunder.” Yes, it appears, once again, that “mistakes were made.”
The speaker of the House fell on his sword and resigned. Trudeau called the episode “deeply embarrassing,” and implied that the Russians had somehow tricked him and his cronies into cheering for a literal Nazi with their devious “Russian disinformation” operations.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/cjhopkins/p/the-globocap-nazi-follies?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 2, 2023 8:32am
- cmm
  
  Yup, blaming the Russians was the most pathetic part. He really is Cindy with a dick.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  CJ Hopkins is an outstanding commentator and writer. His books are excellent. His short book on the rise of Trump is outstanding.
  
  In this first collection of his Consent Factory essays, C. J. Hopkins irreverently covers the improbable rise of Donald Trump, the political dynamics that led to his presidency, and the media-generated mass hysteria that swept America during his first term in office.
  
  Hint, not recommended for those suffering from TDS, it will trigger you and may cause seizure, dizziness and/or anaphylactic shock….way too much honest and accurate commentary!
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Trumpocalypse-Consent-Factory-Essays-2016-2017/dp/3982146402
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:33am
- mawm
  
  Also what has emerged from this is that his vice president Chrystia Freeland, who was filmed applauding rapturously, has an ancestor who was a Nazi, and that Canada allowed many Nazi’s to freely settle there after the war while Jews that needed resettlement were placed in camps. What an own goal this has turned out to be.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:22pm
Bridgenag

They can’t afford to live in America either. Look at the TikTok video

DISPATCHES FROM BEDLAM CENTRAL
DIGI-DESPAIR
…or the crushing hollow.

SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
https://open.substack.com/pub/cjhopkins/p/the-globocap-nazi-follies?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 2, 2023 8:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Play School TV1 had Pera Paniora from Kaipara District Council on this morning.
She was having a bitch about abuse from the public I think. Now something is behind this. Paniora wanting to run the Council her way, the Moari way? You will not get rid of Craig Jepson using your own bullying methods.
This is the lawyer Councilor that wants to have meetings started with a Karakia and Mayor Craig Jepson stopped her. Karakia is NOT part of Council Business. Who is the senior in that Council?
She is a Public Sector employee, a person paid to represent the public.
Now she has gone running to the media.
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October 2, 2023 8:37am
- Matt Long
  
  More good work from Jepson and Larsen in knocking off virtue signalling council waste
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-cancels-key-climate-change-work/UO3PZXUXRFH3HIDLGIY7F3FWAY/
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:43am
Ruahine

I read where Hipkins the expert on all things Covid-19 is reported to have Covid-19.
Has he not been getting the ‘boosters’. He told everyone else to.
Perhaps he has been getting the ‘boosters’.
It could be that the vaccine is actually useless.
If he has not been getting the boosters. Why not. Is he just negligent, or does he think that they are not good for your body.
Could you issue a statement Prime Minister concerning your poor state of health.
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October 2, 2023 8:41am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Pfizer vaccine does not prevent the transmission of the COVIDX virus.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-did-not-know-whether-covid-vaccine-stopped-transmission-before-rollout-executive-admits/news-story/f307f28f794e173ac017a62784fec414
  
  That is now old news.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:43am
  - cmm
    
    But yet we’re still told it does and have the whole vaccination machine in full swing around the country.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:56am
  - Flossie
    
    So why are we still being bullied in to getting boosted?
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Because they are maintaining a corrupt and failing narrative. They can’t walk it back.
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rob Roos hit them hard.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:08pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Perhaps someone accidentally injected him with mRNA Covid vaccine, instead of the prescribed saline shot vaccine look alike, and/or the Ivermectin he was dispensed was a placebo.
  
  By convention heads of state / presidents / prime ministers / deputy prime ministers are prohibited from taking trial, untested, or experimental medicines or remedies.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:28am
GazzaW

That idiot Simon attempted similar tactics on Mark Mitchell in an interview on The Nation on Saturday. The ever calm Mitchell just refused to be browbeaten and spoke his piece. Why is it that NZ political journos love the sound of their own voices so much and just talk over the interviewees responses? Campbell, Gower, Tame, Wright et al along with their radio counterparts are a blight on the journalism profession.
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October 2, 2023 8:42am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Why is it that NZ political journos love the sound of their own voices so much and just talk over the interviewees responses?
  
  Because they’re not journos. They’re Labour-Green-Maori operatives with bylines; political activists for the left and effectively Left-wing politicians.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  hdpa did a breakdown of who spoke the most during the Gower eaders’ “debate”.
  
  It was ,drum roll, Gower.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:08am
Mobile Michael

Stuff are going to postpone their leaders debate. Can’t help but think that if the other Chris was sick that Nicola Willis would be able to handle the debate just fine. Carmel Sepuloni just is not up to it.

As an aside, I took the teenager to his first meet the candidates meeting on Friday. As we’re in Ohariu, Nicola Willis wiped the floor with Greg O’Connor and the Labour plants in the crowd. Paul Day, the ACT candidate, was really good as well – if that’s the quality of the 61st placed list candidate then their top 10 must be outstanding. Greg O’Connor got attacked for being too right-wing by a couple of attendees, he ended up being quite grumpy with the crowd.
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October 2, 2023 8:43am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Again, not Sepuloni. She is Deputy Prime Minister.
  The debates are between the leaders of the Labour and National parties.
  Davis is the deputy leader of Labour.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:33am
  - Lance
    
    A leaders debate with Kelvin giving a commendable impression of a possum in headlights would be a must see for me.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:26pm
RoboRob

How do people think Hipkins catching COVID will impact Labour vote wise?

I wonder if for some, who think Labour saved them, it might be a reminder of how ‘good’ Labour were. My wife thinks the opposite, that people were over Labour COVID and this might be a reminder that they have had enough.

Regardless I think it gives Hipkins a nice ‘out’ if he looses the election. ‘My campaign was severely hampered by COVID, not my fault’.
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October 2, 2023 8:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  Assuming Mr Hipkins has been thoroughly vaccinated and boosted against Covid 19, I think many will be saying “we were played for mugs. The vaccines didn’t do what Ms Ardern and her authoritarian experts said they would.”
  I note that one of the state-funded reporters on TV last night referred to Mr Hipkins having “flu and cold-like symptoms “.
  That’s all really.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:48am
- cmm
  
  I don’t think Hipkins can mild the sympathy vote like Cindy could.
  
  I can’t see any upsides.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:57am
Matt Long

JT has gone ballistic cray Cray on Plunkett for suggesting that reports of attacks on MP candidate should be interrogated by media.
https://x.com/SeanPlunket/status/1708558045368942841?s=20
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October 2, 2023 8:46am
- igm
  
  What happened to the maori who was menaced by white men and robbed in Levin September 2021?
  This was big news in “Stuff” daily, highlightng how he was called bad names with his dignity suffering.
  Seems there were never any arrests and most locals reckon it was all bullshit.
  Seems to be a run on this type of crap again.
  Will not achieve anything . . . most of us have had enough!
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:54am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    What happened to the maori who was menaced by white men and robbed in Levin September 2021?
    
    Dave Chappelle has the answer to that.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:44am
Tauhei Notts

I have been thinking about John Tamihere’s comments to Sean Plunket which Sean read out on his show this morning.
Tamihere’s comments are in the nature of a threat with menaces.
Rather spooky.
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October 2, 2023 8:46am
- Flossie
  
  JT is a dangerous man
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:50am
- Yvette
  
  A factual statement from the Police Commissioner would not go amiss
  ______________________
  Police are using powerful new AI to help them assess the risk posed by offenders when officers are called out to emergencies, sparked by the shooting murder of an unarmed constable.
  SearchX is at the heart of a $200 million front-line safety programme being rolled out in response to the death of Matthew Hunt in West Auckland in 2020, and other recent gun violence.
  Police have disclosed through the OIA what they have been working on for months with big tech multinationals that build data-driven policing systems.
  The papers show the intelligence system used till now was so disjointed it could not access key information about gangs and firearms. It took minutes to find connections one-by-one between people.
  In a trial, SearchX instantly found 15 times more connections, such as to associates or firearms. A whole new visual intelligence function sends this to front-line police.
  
  Still to assist the public make rational considered decisions when voting. rather than some emotional response, a factual statement from the Police Commissioner would not go amiss
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:05am
- MikeMan
  
  Yeah JT seems to have lost it to me.
  
  He is obviously a man under a lot of pressure.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:17am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Is he in any legal/criminal jeopardy over the financial shenanigan’s around Waipareira Trust?
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:24am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Pressure?
    Are you suggesting he needs his party to get in so that he can circumvent potential charges relating to his Trust?
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:44am
  - igm
    
    Isn’t subject to a investigation regarding funds?
    Seems a maori problem.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:18pm
RoboRob

I am having a few friends over on election night and we are going to play election bingo. Does anyone have some ‘fun’ suggestions for bingo ‘results’. We are in the Ilam electorate and already have the obvious ones…

‘TOP wins Ilam’
‘Sarah pallet (L) comes third in Ilam’.
‘National wins CHCH central’.
‘Greens lose Auckland central’
‘Presenter says election is on a knifes edge’
‘Former PM bought on as guest’
‘Presenter talks abou touch screen prediction tech’
etc

Any fun (or serious) suggestions welcome 🙂
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October 2, 2023 8:49am
- Melbury
  
  Chatterton wins Remutaka.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:51am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I’ll need incontinence pants for that.
    I’ll might piss myself laughing.
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:01am
    - Colville
      
      https://www.amazon.com/Incontinence-Catheters-Self-Seal-Intermediate-Draining/dp/B012193G9O
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:07am
- kowtow
  
  Tv journalist;
  
  ‘Our team of experts has been carefully selected to bring you fair and balanced reporting of all the latest developments . ‘
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:13am
Biscuit

Question for TVNZ:

I see you rushed out a presser yesterday to tell us “TVNZ’s editorial independence is protected by legislation and Q+A operates without fear or favour. We challenge individuals across the political spectrum every week. It’s an election period and Jack was doing his job this morning. Our journalists ask prospective MPs tough questions so voters can decide who will best represent them in the next government. That’s the role of the fourth estate.”

Nice words.

Except…

Your editorial independence is surely challenged when we have to swallow yet another cutesy piece to camera where your Jack advertorials us on some financial matter or other and, presumably, picks up a dollar or two on the way. Is that his job? Is that the role of the fourth estate?
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October 2, 2023 8:56am
- Yvette
  
  Sadly, in many respects, the Fourth Estate has become the fifth column of democracy, colluding with the powers that be in a culture of deception that subverts the thing most necessary to freedom, and that is the truth.
  https://inthesetimes.com/article/is-the-fourth-estate-a-fifth-column
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  Our media institutions, deeply embedded in the power structures of society, are not providing the information that we need to make our democracy work. To put it another way, corporate media consolidation is a corrosive social force. It robs people of their voice in public affairs and pollutes the political culture. And it turns the debates about profound issues into a shouting match of polarized views promulgated by partisan apologists who trivialize democracy while refusing to speak the truth about how our country is being plundered.
  
  Sounds familiar …
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:14am
  - Yvette
    
    Further to the comment above, there is this link to the one news website –
    
    Election 2023: All of Jack Tame’s political leader interviews
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/01/election-2023-all-of-jack-tames-political-leader-interviews/
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will they crash the Economy to call off the 2024 Election?
Democrats are nasty and desperate. They will do anything to stop Trump draining the swamp and taking away their corrupt lifestyle.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2023/10/will-they-crash-the-economy-to-call-off-the-2024-election-what-should-you-do/

I was going to leave a pre 2016 video of Trump saying “That all changes starting right here and right now” Youtube have removed it. ‘This video has been removed by the uploader’ Bullshit. It was an Election ad. Dems have made Youtube take it down.
Desperate.
OK, let’s get some gold. It won’t disappear.
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October 2, 2023 8:57am
kevn

Very good Luxon with Hosking this morning.
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October 2, 2023 8:58am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Luxon will be the best prime Minister NZ ever had.
  
  His intellect and social conscious is top notch. His team leadership is obviously excellent.
  
  My only fear is we are not hearing anything about exposing and stopping the Labour hierarchy’s corruption.
  
  That may be up to us to do!
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:19am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Luxon will be the best prime Minister NZ ever had.
    
    How will he be better than John Key?
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:51am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Tom. Key and English improved the public service peoductivity and implemented a limited infrastructure construction program but were both very conservative which is why they didnt risk implementing Brashs recommendations to match Australia.
      
      Key and English also turned down the opportunity to use cheap finance to turbo charge NZs infrastructure.
      
      And Key did not leave a long term infrastructure commissioner and program in place to help combat the Labour idiots.
      
      Luxon knows how to do the good things Key did plus he is taking on big challenges Key wouldn’t touch.
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:04am
    - Unity
      
      John Key ruined NZ by allowing Pita Sharples to sign UNDRIP. He also changed the Foreshore and Seabed legislation and held a referendum on changing the flag. He was NOT a good Leader for New Zealand. He has ruined our democracy.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:53pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        To the ironically named unity…
        
        That is the worst attempt at cherry picking history to create a negative untrue message I ever saw on KB.
        
        Congratulations on coming first!
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Didn’t Sharples make a quick trip to New York to finish the signing?
        From the Stop Co-Governance booklet page 19:
        Here again I quote Dr John Robinson:
        “Prime Minister John Key and co-leader of the Maori Party Pita Sharples convened a Constitutional Review Panel, which was considering ways to act on a seperate agenda for New Zealand.
        
        This culminated in Sharples flying secretly to New York to sign the Declaration, which was described at the time as merely a non-binding “aspirational and symbolic” declaration, which (they claimed)cannot be applied in a New Zealand court of law.”
        
        As if such a significant declaration would have no impact!
        
        John Key was either deceitful or a fool who did not know what he was doing.
        To sign an international agreement when the previous administration (ie. Helen Clark) had refused is surely an important reversal of National Policy – and even more so of National Party Policy. This should not have been done by stealth.
        
        More can be found on at http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
        I have quoted from the booklet which is on the website.
        https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:32pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I challenge you to read undrip as I have.
        
        NZ already complied with undrip when Key signed it.
        
        It is the deceitful Labour hierarchy who used UNDRIP as an excuse to launder our money through the Maori Kings family into their wallets..
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:43pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Agreed. Key was a smiling shyster. A bit like a certain other recent PM.
        
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        October 2, 2023 10:27pm
  - Mark Hanley
    
    I just received an email from Seymour asking me to vote for ACT.
    
    I replied….
    
    Are we really voting for real change?
    
    Without bottom lines we’re only voting for a bunch of inexperienced ACT MPs.
    
    Make the TOW referendum and the crowd sourced covid inquiry bottom lines and I’ll vote for you in a heartbeat.
    
    PLS FEEL FREE TO COPY PASTE AND REPLY TO ACT WITH THE MESSAGE ABOVE!
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:57am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Intellect? Despite being a girly-swot, he could only manage a B Bursary.
    
    What do you mean by “social conscious”? And where is the evidence for your claims about Luxon?
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:02am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I agree!!! So calm, clever, polite and clear in his vision… and employing people for talent not diversity and keeping laser focus on productivity partic of the public sector!!! Can’t wait to get home and vote today 💙🩷
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:55pm
Jack5

Magic dust on the old Log o’ Wood – then splinters?

Allegations the Hawke’s Bay rugby team snorted cocaine from the Ranfurly Shield before it was smashed!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300980963/new-zealand-rugby-investigating-claims-drugs-were-snorted-from-ranfurly-shield
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October 2, 2023 9:01am
- Prince
  
  Disgraceful.
  The Shield must be returned to Wgton and the result annulled.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:39am
  - Local Miller
    
    “result annulled” This is a silly recommendation. They won the game in a fair competition, and deserve to hold the Shield. Assuming the cocaine accusation is false the most they should get is a sanction. Bloody hell, it’s a piece of wood with Shield on it. Stuff like this happens (not the drugs bit).
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:53am
  - Fedup oldie
    
    This is disgraceful. Clearly no respect for our history and all that the shield represents. There must be serious repercussions for this irresponsible behaviour.
    Is this a reflection of what our country has become?
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:00pm
  - G152
    
    The old frame took all manner of punishment without breaking.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:52pm
  - pdm
    
    Prince – Hawkes Bay are still reassembling the Shield after Wellngton had to whip down the road to IKEA to get something to hand over.
    
    Then they dropped the bits in one of the many open sewer outlets in Wellington so Hawkes Bay not only had to assemble it but they had to use soap powder to clean it up.
    
    BAY BAY BAY BAY BAY BAY BAY BAY
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:00pm
- Local Miller
  
  I call BS on the cocaine accusation. If you look at the photo of the broken shield, all the white on the wood is where the actual shield would have been. That’s either been staged or the white is the bonding that held the shield on the wood.
  
  Even so, still not impressed that they were being silly buggers and dropped the thing.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:50am
Colville

Its one thing to take the Shield and make Wellington cry…its quite another to break it! Rookies!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300980963/new-zealand-rugby-investigating-claims-drugs-were-snorted-from-ranfurly-shield
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October 2, 2023 9:03am
- pdm
  
  Colville – have a look at the records.
  
  From memory Hawkes Bay has withstood almost twice as many shield challenges as Wellington has since the Shield was first played for.
  
  Rookies we are not when it comes to the Ranfurly Shield!!!
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:03pm
  - Colville
    
    But rookies to post a pic of the marching powder! 🤣🤣
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Border Patrol cut the razor wire. Who gave the order?
Biden Admin of course!
Just remember America, if your Country goes Socialist, there is nowhere to run to.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/border-patrol-agents-cut-razor-wire-to-allow-migrants-entry/
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October 2, 2023 9:08am
bjools

MacAnulty on the AM show saying.
Without 3 waters Queenstown and Auckland will stay the same others will either not be able to afford changes or have massive rate rises.
How about we cancel the Landfill tax that Labour put on all councils?
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October 2, 2023 9:10am
cmm

I got polled by Curia last night.
Most of the questions were sensible, but one was a bit odd I thought.

That asked whether I wanted the current system of council oversight or whether I wanted a more regionalised system with iwi etc thrown into the mix.

Now I personally think that for Canterbury, at least for a while, a regionalised structure is better, but not with all the iwi etc having their say. Pity that wasn’t really given as an option.

Why? Because we really need to think of Christchurch, Rangiora, Darfield and Rolleston as one metro area that needs to work together. Without that cooperation it is difficult to, say, set up roading that makes the whole work.
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October 2, 2023 9:11am
- MikeMan
  
  Careful what you wish for,
  
  Papakura, Manukau, Auckland, North Shore, Waitakere and Rodney were not perfect but the Super Shitty is a LOT worse.
  
  Yes a regional approach can help and the ARA and its predecessors sort of worked but be careful that it is not the start of a decent into amalgamation.
  
  Wellington and Christchurch need to learn from Auckland’s mistakes.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t agree. Selwyn District Council has had pro growth policies for a decade and has the results to show for it. Christchurch Council would just be a dead weight.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:49am
- NothingLeft
  
  Centralisation is almost always far worse than leaving control in hands of locals. Because supposed efficiencies are negated by larger, more expensive less flexible and less accountable bureaucracy – organisational energies end up focused on internal battles and mini-empire building, rather than doing the actual job.
  
  Just look at the ruinously expensive fiascos that have come from all Labours efforts to amalgamate health and education, and you can bet operating costs have gone up and services degraded as a result too.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:41am
  - Keith White
    
    The anecdotes I’m getting from my former colleagues back in New Zealand about what’s happening – and not happening – inside New Zealand ERs and hospitals are simply appalling.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:35pm
    - mawm
      
      Professor Angus Dalgleish, professor of oncology at St George’s Hospital Medical School, London, and an expert in immunology, has written a harrowing tale of melanoma relapses, the increased incidence of lymphomas, leukaemias and kidney cancers, and an epidemic of explosive cancers presenting with multiple metastases.
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2023/10/01/mrna-vaccines-must-be-banned-once-and-for-all/
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:45pm
Souvlaki

I see that further symbol of ‘ Colonial Oppresion'( Like One Tree Hill and the Americas Cup) the Ranfurly Shield has ‘ mysteriously been damaged’…..the silence surrounding its untimely demise is deafening!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300980963/new-zealand-rugby-investigating-claims-drugs-were-snorted-from-ranfurly-shield?cid=app-android
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October 2, 2023 9:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  According to the media reports last night, the Ranfurly Shield is a “Taonga”.
  This was repeated several times.
  Never knew that Maori were heavily into rugby back in the day.
  Not a symbol of white, colonial oppression any more then?
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I saw that – it is just a rugby trophy.
    
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    October 2, 2023 9:50am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Benedict – nope. With respect, outside of your field & normally excellent insight.
      
      The Ranfurly Shield predates the NPC and Super Rugby. It was the only inter province competition; other games were friendlies. Apart from Test matches, a Shield challenge was the big game of the year. Bear in mind also that Test matches were few & far between: in some years, there were no All Black tests.
      
      The Ranfurly Shield is not just another trophy; it’s a portal to a past New Zealand.
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:54pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    1840 rugby had too many casualties, most happened before 1/2 time with a few standing (usually those with a musket and bayonet) at full time.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:43am
    - Colville
      
      pssst….!
      Rugby hadnt been invented then!
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:11am
Maggie Pie

My partner decided to postpone an important meeting he had this morning
so he could stay and listen to Hosk’s interview with Luxo.

His parting words as he just walked out the front doors ….
“To steal a line from Jaws – we’re going to need a bigger prison”

😀
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October 2, 2023 9:14am
- MCōs
  
  Meeting must have been really important
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well it was sort of important Cossie. With one of his banks.
    But like he said… “they’re happy to wait”
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is the future of NZ because of the lockdowns? Medical services in the US suffered, and they did in NZ. Ardern, the pink terror, Bloomfield, Baker, Plank, Hendy, are ALL responsible. Ardern ran, Bloomfield ran.
We had so many Health Ministers it wasn’t funny. Health shows no signs of improving. People are dying because of no surgery. New Zimbabwe is spot on!

Anyway, back to the US. Lockdowns have created a ticking time bomb.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/the-unseen-consequence-of-covid-19-lockdowns-a-looming-cancer-crisis/
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October 2, 2023 9:16am
BeaB

I think Jack Tame did the job that no other interviewer has managed – to show up Winston’s empty bluster. Other interviews usually leave me entertained and impressed at how Winston controls them. But this one showed all his tricks are tired, repetitive and vacuous. He looked as though he couldn’t answer. He sounded like the washed-up politician he is. I doubt he has the energy or the ability to make a constructive contribution to government and will spend his time obfuscating and grandstanding.
His denial of complicity in the actions of Ardern’s government was just laughable. If those incompetents could pull the wool over his eyes how on earth will he know what is going on with Luxon and Seymour running the show?
Jack Tame deftly showed us a a sad old man unable to face the reality that his day has gone.
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October 2, 2023 9:19am
- mogg
  
  The Winston master stroke was talking to the protesters, the way that protest was distorted by Media and government has created a new band of supporters for NZF, from now on he will always get the protest vote.
  It was farcical the way those people were represented as a ‘river of filth’ for simply having a different view to Ardern & Co. As an old man I was able to wander around the protest site talking to very ordinary people, while feeling very comfortable about it. However when looking towards parliament with their barriers and rows of cops needed for protection, I could see them for what they are, it was all a sham. By supporting Winston the ‘river of filth’ are now having their say.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:02am
  - MCōs
    
    So what you’re saying is Winston is an opportunist
    Quite frankly I don’t know why he wants to be in parliament
    He’s like an aging rock star who can’t bear being out of the spotlight
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:12am
    - mogg
      
      They are all opportunists, and Winston is playing the silly game that NZ has voted for; MMP!!
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:03pm
  - Ruahine
    
    mogg.
    Agree with your Post entirely.
    I urge everyone to go and see the movie ‘River of Freedom’. Explains a lot.
    It shows up what a useless conniving bunch the Media are as well as what a nasty piece of rubbish Michael Wood is.
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:40pm
- PeeJay
  
  I am no fan of Tame but yesterday he did his job and Peter’s had no answers to any of the questions put to him. When a political party is likely to be part of the next government, then it should be expected that the political party leader knows the details behind some of the policy they are campaigning on. Peter’s had no detail because there is no detail – his only aim is to get back to the trough and he couldn’t give a crap about the 5% or so of voters he has targeted to get him across the line.
  
  As an aside, yesterday’s interview showed that there is a real gap for a TV interviewer like Hosking who can hold left and right to account. Imagine if Tame did this to the left? He’d be essential viewing, much like the great Jeremy Paxman was in the UK – feared by politicians left and right.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Elon Musk at the Eagle Pass town on the Border.
Will Elon start to finish the job Trump started? I’m sure he can spare a few billion.
If that should happen, watch the Biden Admin and the Democrats show their true colours.

https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/raw-unedited-footage-of-broken-southern-border-with-elon-musk/
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October 2, 2023 9:25am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-administration-reports-dangerous-african-immigrant-at-border
  ‘”This is serious, folks,” President Joe Biden said in brief remarks to reporters. “We’ve received reports of a very menacing African man roaming the region. Everyone knows I’m a long-time advocate for keeping an eye on these African fellas. This one is especially dangerous. He’s here to…here to…he’s got all of the…he runs the…the…the thing. Rocketship.”
  
  Bonus
  https://babylonbee.com/news/senator-feinstein-death-not-expected-to-affect-re-election-campaign
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well the African at the border got me – even though I know about the BEE!
    Good stuff.
    
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    October 2, 2023 4:33pm
- virtualmark
  
  Something a bit weird about an immigrant to the US, who went there hoping for a better future, then taking aim at other people trying to immigrate into the US.
  
  Yes, I appreciate the difference between legal and illegal immigration. And IMO the US needs to both (a) fortify its border with Mexico and (b) sort out its immigration laws, which are not fit for purpose.
  
  But all the same, I’d have thought Elon might have had a better perspective on why people might be motivated to take extreme lengths to get to the US.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:47pm
kiwikidsnz

Chris Trotter right on the money again.
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/124554/it-news-media%E2%80%99s-job-elicit-information-politicians-not-prosecute-them-writes
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October 2, 2023 9:43am
BeaB

Poor Ingrid Hipkiss is out of her depth on Morning Report. When told one of the highlights of the rugby World Cup is the French singing their national anthem, she asked, “Does it have a nice tune?’
Words fail me.
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October 2, 2023 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  Wonder if she’s ever heard of Boggie , surely.
  
  Here’s lookin at you kid.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A modern dating story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEWnXmDfVZg
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October 2, 2023 9:56am
Maggie Pie

I was very pleased to hear Christopher tell Hosk this morning, that under National, anyone charged with MURDER….. will under no circumstances be granted Electronic Bail.

What is frightening, was to read that we currently have 31 people who are awaiting trial
for murder, all out there walking among us!

Maori make up almost half with 15, then there’s 9 Euro, 4 PI, 1 Asian, and 2 of ‘unknown ethnicity’.

The only one WE actually know is Prof Philip Polkinghorne. He’s facing trail next year for the murder of his wife Pauline.

It’s sooo bloody scary when you think about it. Thanks for nothing Labor 🙁
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October 2, 2023 9:56am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting how te media pardy , all so publically and loudly self concerned about all things race and equity and yet spent so much time ,paper and ink on one particular case and so little time on so many of those other , less important , insignificant , unworthy of so much coverage cases ………
  
  ……..they really should be ashamed of themselves.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:59pm
I remember when

Heart Research Institute NZ:
Even mild covid raises the chance of heart attack and stroke.
NZ Medical Journal:
Cardiac complications of Covid-19 infection – OPEN ACCESS.
Harvard Health Publishing:
Covid-19 may leave people more vulnerable to a host of heart-related issues. But vaccination will lower these risks.
CBS News:
Doctors struggle with how to help patients with hear conditions after Coviud-19.
But in the US heart-related death rates had fallen to record lows in 2019, just before the pandemic struck.
Covid-19 erased a decade of that progress, DR Susan Cheng.
Today.Com:
Young people more likely to die of heart attacks post-COVID, study finds. But why?
A recent study found that heart attacks in people ages 25 to 44 increased by 30% compared to expected number over the first two years of the COVID-19 pandemic
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October 2, 2023 10:03am
- cmm
  
  Infections of various sorts have always increased the chance of heart failure.
  For example delaying treatment for a bad tooth can do it.
  I call bullshit that there is anything more onerous about CV19 than various flus etc through the ages.
  
  Spanish Flu was far more deadly and mainly killed younger, fitter people. It played merry hell amongst soldiers in training. Interestingly, deaths amongst older people were few. Maybe they’d got immunity from the Russian flu outbreak in the late 1800s?
  
  The only thing special about Covid is the “vax” and extra complications that has caused.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:28am
  - Cassandra
    
    Covid was and is a serious infection which killed many. Don’t downplay it. Oldies should have been isolated.
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:45am
    - Flossie
      
      I would have definitely baulked at that idea. I did not fancy being locked up for no crime apart from being older….rather have taken the (slim) chance of catching covid and dyiung!
      
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      October 2, 2023 11:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Covid was and is, little worse than normal seasonal flu. Flu ‘vanished’ when covid arrived.
      
      Covid should be treated absolutely no differently to any seasonal respiratory illness which culls the most frail and elderly every single year.
      My retired doctor friend very early on in the fiasco told me how doctors call flu ‘the old man’s friend.’
      
      Also that lockdowns etc would only create ‘dry tinder’ for the following season. A crude term but the truth.
      
      Yes, if you’re concerned about catching it you should isolate. But don’t keep hyping covid as something spectacular compared to other respiratory illnesses.
      
      The only thing different about it is it was created by idiots in a lab so should never have existed in the first place.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Doctors call Pneumonia Old Mans Friend, not the ‘flu’.
        Pneumonia is a lot more serious than the Flu.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:21pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        AoR – you are likely correct.
        
        It was in the early days when I was trying to understand the risk of covid. My retired doctor friend’s point was simply that it is common that respiratory illness pushes sick and frail people at end of life over the edge. That I shouldn’t be too concerned as long as I was reasonably fit and health.
        Also, flu is one of the leading causes of pneumonia, ergo covid often led to pneumonia which meant it killed more people.
        
        The point is, Covid itself is not significantly different or more dangerous than flu, other than the fact it is man made, and the problems were exacerbated by the idiotic and panicked responses of most governments.
        
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        October 2, 2023 12:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pneumonia is a lot more serious than the Flu and the virus from Flu is just one of the causes of Pneumonia
        The others are RSV and….Covid.
        https://www.cdc.gov/pneumonia/causes.html
        My mother had Covid, got Pneumonia and then died.
        What caused her death?
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:07pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Covid is approaching the point where it is little worse than normal seasonal flu. Because coronaviruses are the cause of normal head colds.
        
        What made Covid unique, especially in 2020 and 2021, was that it was *novel*. As in … none of our immune systems had ever seen it before. We were in the same situation as the Polynesians were when the first European explorers brought in measles and mumps.
        
        We all take head colds lightly because by the time we’re adults our immune systems have encountered them at least 20 times, and have learnt to quickly recognise them and quickly react to them.
        
        But with Covid in 2020 that wasn’t the case. And if your immune system was either (a) slow to react or (b) not able to mount a strong response (ie elderly) then the infection was able to overwhelm you before you can rally a fight against it.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:52pm
    - mawm
      
      Cass – even with the artificial inflation of “deaths due to covid” the infection fatality rate was no higher than a “bad” flu.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:56pm
  - I remember when
    
    Yes, not a lot of discussion on the fact that ‘positive’ covid cases were locked up at home – with the rest of their family!
    
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    October 2, 2023 10:58am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Most of the alarm in the earliest days was down to many deaths in the UK and New York in particular.
      
      It’s now abundantly clear that this wasn’t because covid was devastatingly deadly, it was totally due to inappropriate panic. Emptying hospitals of the elderly and frail people, the most vulnerable, and sticking them into petri dish care homes.
      
      Care homes – The evidence of harms
      
      https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/care-homes-the-evidence-of-harms
      
      Remember how one rest home in the South Island had 13 “covid” deaths?
      
      Also contributing to higher death numbers than need be was the use of intubation and the horrendous overuse of Midazolam in the UK in particular.
      
      Locking down is one of the stupidest things to do during a real pandemic. If you’re sick, stay home. If you’re vulnerable, stay home. That’s it.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:28pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Nope, not correct.
        
        The reason there were so many deaths in the UK, and the US (not just NY), and in places like Italy, was that the elderly, in particular, were exposed to Covid before (a) effective social responses, like lockdowns and isolation, were in place, (b) effective treatments, like anti-virals, were available, and (c) vaccines were available. And it exposed how weak an elderly person’s immune system is.
        
        Locking down is one of the most sensible things to do in a real pandemic. It allows the infection that’s in the population to burn out because it can only work its way through each family group and then naturally stops.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:56pm
      - mawm
        
        Virtual – lockdowns have a) been shown to be useless (the British study that showed that spread of the virus occurred most frequently within the home – I don’t have the reference as it was some time ago), b) were not included in the WHO, and adopted by most countries, in their pandemic plans which preceded covid, and c) were opposed by 3 leading epidemiologist – Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University, in their Great Barrington Declaration.
        
        There have been several studies showing that elderly people have low vitamin D levels and that there is a correlation between low Vitamin D and mortality from viral illnesses.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:35pm
      - virtualmark
        
        mawm,
        
        Simple common sense says that lockdowns are useful against infectious diseases. They limit the spread of the disease and lead to it naturally dying out.
        
        Sure, we naturally enough lockdown in family groups. Which means the infection can only pass through that family and then die out. And that process is replicated across each individual family group. But that is exactly the intent.
        
        If you’re even slightly aware then you saw all of that yourself here in NZ a few times in 2020. So don’t be a muppet.
        
        It is fair though to argue that lockdowns are hard yards for many people, and that the social costs need to be weighed against the health benefits. That’s a legitimate conversation to be had.
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:08pm
      - mawm
        
        Virtual – quite the contrary lockdowns are counter productive. They have always been known to be so.
        
        I’ll take 3 renowned epidemiology professors opinion ahead of yours.
        
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        October 2, 2023 6:02pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    One of the main reasons for the devastation caused by Spanish Flu was the era it occurred in. Sanitation and access to clean water was unheard of for many people.
    
    This contribution to poor health is downplayed by those making most out of the medical industrial complex. They don’t want a healthy population. They can’t make money out of that.
    
    There is no doubt now that jabs cause more harm than good. Anyone not seeing that is either not paying attention, or have had too many jabs and are in denial.
    
    Disclaimer.
    
    I’m not a medical expert and I am not qualified to give medical advice so I am not doing so here.
    
    But anyone at all concerned about potential harm they might have received from the jab they were conned and coerced may want to read this.
    
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/
    
    There is also proof now available showing the spike protein does NOT stay at the injection site as first claimed and does NOT dissipate quickly.
    
    It stays in the body for months and it can get into all organs. It is also expressed in breast milk contrary to the advice to pregnant women everywhere.
    
    From the start of the big push to get ‘shots in the arms’ of everyone: the elderly down to 6-month-old infants, including pregnant women- every politician, public official, health authority and regulator emphasized in parrot-like fashion, how the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine stays in the arm and quickly degrades. This was simply not true.
    
    The lipid nanoparticles encapsulating the synthetic vaccinal mRNA travel all over the body- including the mammary glands where they are secreted in the breast milk of lactating women.
    
    https://soniaelijah.substack.com/p/breastfeeding-postvaccination-is
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:09pm
    - cmm
      
      Clan
      
      What was really a stand-out statistic of the Spanish Flu was that it mainly killed healthy younger people. Normally a flu-like outbreak kills off the elderly.
      
      Some of that could have been that there was a war on, so many of the younger fitter people were concentrated in army barracks, trenches etc.
      
      But it seems that a more likely explanation was that the older people had immunity due to some prior infection.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:04pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “But it seems that a more likely explanation was that the older people had immunity due to some prior infection”
        
        Yup. The older folks had survived the 1889-1890 “Asiatic flu” or “Russian flu”. Amazing stuff that natural immunity.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:11pm
      - snoup
        
        From what I’ve heard, the Spanish Flu triggered an immune overreaction, causing death through massive damage to the lungs – filling them with fluid. The strong immune systems of those aged approx. 20 to 40 thus became a liability.
        Children and people over 40 were far less affected.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:21pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        snoup, the H1N1 influenza A virus (Spanish Flu) didn’t kill. It was secondary bacterial pneumonia that did the damage, and this has been the pattern in most subsequent epidemics. Bacterial pneumonia can usually be successfully treated with modern antibiotics.
        
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        October 2, 2023 1:48pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        As stated above, The likely case is the older population already had some immunity to a prior Russian Flu.
        Younger ones not so much .
        
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        October 2, 2023 2:38pm
      - mawm
        
        kk – you are correct on both the immunity in older people from exposure to a similar flu and that secondary bacterial infections killed many. Since the advent of antibiotics flu with major variants are no longer as deadly.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:03pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Soldiers debilitated by years in the trenches, with a poor diet & free smokes – I’m sure that didn’t help.
        
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        October 2, 2023 9:01pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  “Young people more likely to die of heart attacks post-COVID, study finds. But why?”
  
  Depends on how many jabs they’ve had.
  
  Ed Dowd Drops Devastating Report on Cardiovascular Deaths in the UK
  
  People under 45 are “dying suddenly” — and the numbers are only getting worse.
  
  What was initially an observation is now measurable: young people, in the prime of their lives, are dying at unprecedented rates. Ed Dowd, a former BlackRock portfolio manager and data analyst, has highlighted a concerning surge in cardiovascular deaths in the UK — and the numbers are alarming.
  
  https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/ed-dowd-drops-devastating-report
  
  COVID Vaccines Damage ALL Hearts, Study Finds – Radiology Tests Detect Myocardial Damage in Covid-vaccinated persons
  
  https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/covid-vaccines-damage-all-hearts
  
  The actual numbers are showing clearly that it isn’t covid doing this, it is the vaccines doing it.
  
  In NZ? – ‘Get your booster!
  
  Next level insanity.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The study Assessment of Myocardial 18F-FDG Uptake at PET/CT in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2-vaccinated and Nonvaccinated Patients is very troubling. It suggests that every vaccinated person has sub-clinical myocardial damage. It is astounding (criminally negligent?) that our so-called health authorities continue to push this toxin on the population.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:15pm
  - virtualmark
    
    There have always been unexplained cardiac events. There is no evidence that they are more common now than they were pre-2020.
    
    But they do get more attention now because the vaccine muppets, such as you, attribute them to the vaccines. You should put up actual medical evidence from a reputable medical study and journal showing how the vaccines lead to unexplained cardiac arrests, or shut up. But there is no recognised evidence of it, just the rantings of the conspiracy theorists fuelled by likes of “former Blackrock portfolio manager”.
    
    Honestly, next time you have a serious ailment then rather than going to the doctor give Ed Dowd a call …
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:01pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “There have always been unexplained cardiac events. There is no evidence that they are more common now than they were pre-2020.”
      
      You are either willfully bind, or manifestly stupid. I don’t believe it is the latter.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:45pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      virtualmark – thanks for your informed advice.
      
      I cannot respond to you in any depth because it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about. You’ll work it out eventually.
      Dowd’s statistics are all the more alarming BECAUSE he is a portfolio manager. He has no skin in the game. They are only interested in $$$.
      
      Read krazykiwi’s link above for starters.
      
      https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.230743
      
      That should be scientific enough for you.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:46pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Clan, vm is part of the vaccine industrial complex, and was involved in the ‘success’ of the jabs in NZ. He is all-in on getting as many jabs into as many shoulders as possible. Dismissing evidence of harm as “conspiracy theories” is a survival tactic and in this instance will mean him going down with this ship.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:00pm
      - virtualmark
        
        krazy, I’m not looking to get as many jabs into shoulders as possible. Personally I would have made the Covid vaccine strongly recommended for those over 40 and very much optional for those under 30.
        
        But the vaccines were a very useful tool in responding to Covid. There is no *reputable* evidence that the vaccines have serious side-effects, beyond a slightly increased risk of myocarditis in young men (hence make it optional for them).
        
        The stuff you tout is all cooker nonsense. You’re so lost in the conspiracy theories that you have no usefulness. You are lost in a circle-jerk of other conspiracy theorists all trying to out-do each other with hyped-up nonsense.
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:13pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        krazykiwi – that explains a lot. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they’re afraid, maybe they never get information from anywhere other than mainstream media.
        
        VM is next level, them being fully complicit in this crime against humanity makes sense re their ‘argument’ supporting the madness of the last few years.
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:49pm
    - mawm
      
      Virtual – Dowd is a data analyst. The data he has analysed in this case is that which available from the UK’s Office of National Statistics. There are many other data sets that have been analysed by others showing similar results.
      
      What is puzzling is that we have not had any of the health authorities doing the work they are supposed to do of analysing and publishing the data they have. This in itself is rather disturbing. Do they have something to hide?
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:12pm
    - Local Miller
      
      You may want to listen to some of Dr John Campbell’s videos on YouTube. He generally presents research papers and their findings, and usually from national heath organisations, but often also from other reputable researchers.
      Internationally, excluding deaths attributed to C-19, almost every country that had mandatory jabs is showing significant excess all cause mortality. The rates vary from about 5% to 15%, with spikes as high as 30% in some months. These numbers are normally against the 5 year average pre C-19.
      I’ve been following him for a long time now, and since he’s not presenting his own research, but that of other reputable research organisations, you can’t criticise him as not knowing what he’s talking about (he is a very experienced doctor). In context mostly what he does is show you the numbers.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:17pm
      - mawm
        
        Dr Campbell is a nurse, latterly a nurse educator, with a Phd. This does make his well researched and presented talks any less valuable.
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:23pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Here’s a recent paper from the (US) National Institute of Health on sudden cardiac deaths in people aged under 35. It partly draws on information from a study in Australia and NZ.
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9881489/
      
      Young people dying of unexplained heart problems is nothing new. But you cookers now want to attribute every such death to the Covid vaccine.
      
      What may be different post-Covid is that myocarditis is *one* of the possible causes, and Covid infection can cause myocarditis in young adults.
      
      Oh, you’ll say that the *vaccine* causes myocarditis in young adults. It can do. But only because it mimics Covid itself, but in a much smaller dose … which is how vaccines work. Both the incidence and the severity of myocarditis in young adults is more than an order of magnitude higher from Covid infection than it is from Covid vaccine.
      
      But I’ve observed that you have no sense of proportion. You are mouth breathers, when what we need is nose breathers.
      
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      October 2, 2023 4:30pm
      - mawm
        
        Virtual – What you have not said is that young people are dying in greater numbers than previously recorded, that the spike (which is the toxin) is present in far higher concentrations (in multiple orders) following vaccination than infection, and that autopsy results where they have differentiated “covid spike” from “vaccine spike” show by far the majority (about 80%) of these deaths are from the vaccine.
        
        There is no need to call us mouth breathers when we are the ones who kept ourselves informed and have not gone along with “the narrative”. You are dangerously ignorant of anything medical and this vaccine.
        
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        October 2, 2023 6:15pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The fact you’re even using the moronic term ‘cooker’ proves you are nothing more than a pharma shill.
        
        All of your comments in this thread are provably lies or discombobulation.
        
        You are on of those I hope karma visits hard. You are not talking out of ignorance or out of fear. You are deliberately supporting and pushing this brutal, fraudulent narrative.
        
        Sad and sick.
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:32pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, not ‘every such death’. But until proper testing is done to eliminate the jab as contributing to sudden death, it will always be suspected.
        
        The lack of investigation into this is the reason why it is the most likely cause.
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:45pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That’s the NiH who funded the gain of function research that created this virus in the first place??
        
        Righto!! Sounds all above board and totally trustworthy……/s
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  2000 extra deaths in 2021 in NZ after vaccination compared to 2020. No significant respiratory viruses in circulation in either year (only a tiny number of covid cases). Only major difference was vaccination of 4 million kiwis in 2021, Reasonable to conclude that ~0.05% died due to vaccination.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That 0.05% isn’t static. It is increasing with every passing day as the deaths accumulate and the number of folks ‘vaccinated’* does not.
    
    *by ‘vaccinated’ I of course mean injected with an experimental genetic therapeutic.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:18pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Or … 2,000 extra deaths in 2021 once Covid was allowed to circulate freely in the population.
    
    The major difference in health in 2021 was that we re-opened our borders. Covid began to circulate through the population and we saw a measurable number of Covid-driven deaths.
    
    There’s probably also a proportion of those 2,000 extra deaths that were due to medical issues that got out of control because many surgeries, chemo etc were (unwisely) paused in 2020.
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:05pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      virtualmark – stop commenting on this, you clearly have very little knowledge of the subject.
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:49pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clan,
        
        I’m sure I’ve put more time into the reputable science than you. But sure, I am not a cooker, and I’m not a conspiracy theorist. So we are never going to see eye-to-eye on this stuff.
        
        But I think you are nuts.
        
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        October 2, 2023 4:14pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        virtualmark – it’s clowns like you and your ‘reputable science’ that caused this shitshow in the first place. The fact you’re still pushing it means you are fully complicit in crimes against humanity.
        
        As for ‘conspiracy theories’, remind me again, which ones didn’t come true?
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:42pm
    - mawm
      
      Virtual – perhaps you need to lookout the WA deaths from when the vaccine program started and before the first covid case was diagnosed. The B/S about missed surgeries, decreased cancer diagnoses, etc are just a very small proportion of the increased deaths which somehow did not occur in the unvaccinated.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:19pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Have a read of this post from 29-Aug. It is drawn from Israeli data that was released under a FOI request: 2022 spikes in cardiac arrest events only occurred in vaccinated
        
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        October 2, 2023 3:56pm
    - kisekiman
      
      So assuming the vaccines were safe, and Covid is causing the excess deaths, then the vaccines were not effective. It’s not possible to have it both ways. Ergo we were lied to.
      
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      October 3, 2023 5:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
The hate mail they get on Facebook comes from some very educated intelligent people.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/protesters-show-their-true-heart/
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October 2, 2023 10:20am
Scooter

Interesting interview with Dr. Risch is professor emeritus of epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine. His research has focused extensively on the causes of cancer as well as prevention and early diagnosis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gulf-insider.com/cancers-appearing-in-ways-never-before-seen-after-covid-vaccinations-dr-harvey-risch/amp/
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October 2, 2023 10:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  In NZ? Get your booster!
  
  Said it before and I’ll say it again, next level madness, but people keep telling us to let it go, it’s all over. No.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:50pm
I remember when

The one certainty with the possibility of NZ First holding the balance of power is that the negotiations will not result in a second election.
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October 2, 2023 10:41am
Jack5

Oh, oh …

Christopher Luxon says on Newstalk ZB that he “is standing by his position of being in favour of accepting investment from China for large-scale infrastructure projects”

Hasn’t Luxon heard about China’s hooks into Third World countries with the One Belt Road projects?

Do his news helpers not give him information about the trouble Tonga has got into with infrastructure investment from China?

Did they not brief him on Vanuatu’s “Great Wharf from China” – big enough to dock an aircraft carrier and criticised as civilian project that can quickly be used for military purposes.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pacific-tonga-debt-idUSKCN24O0IF

AND

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/103037973/the-great-wharf-from-china-raising-eyebrows-across-the-pacific
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October 2, 2023 10:46am
- Colville
  
  Jack5
  If China (or anyone) was to build say a toll road and the toll fee arrangement was agreed prior and road handed over after 25 years I really cant see a problem?
  They cant take it home with them!
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:18am
  - Jack5
    
    China can’t take home the great wharf at Luganville either.
    
    The Vanuatu Government is refusing to say whether the Chinese have a debt-equity swap clause in the deal, which would mean China could take over the facility if Vanuatu defaults on its payments.
    
    That’s what happened with the Sri Lanka port of Hambantota (link below). When the Sri Lankans could meet debt payments, China took it over.
    
    There have been suggestions that China might build Marsden Point into a big container port. One of the motives suggested was to make it a link to South America, which doesn’t make sense.
    
    An example. It would take 45 days of “steaming” at 10 knots to ship goods from Hong Kong to Callao, Peru, via Auckland. That doesn’t include any time in Auckland for unloading and reloading. Shipping direct from Hong Kong to Callao would take 41 days.
    
    Why would China, with its burgeoning heavy industry, its flourishing car and electronics industries, want to invest in a motorway in NZ except for strategic, non-commercial reasons?
    
    Why is the Auckland core of the National Party so infatuated in deals with rich Communists from China?
    
    Game of Loans: How China Bought Hambantota
    
    [Mod – added link]
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      Mod – thank you 👍
      
      Moderators were getting a bit of criticism in the last day or two from posters about delays.
      
      These critics can’t have been Kiwiblog readers back in the day when 🦇Batman was moderating.
      
      You folk are doing a good job
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:50pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Chinese ‘investment’ is like hiring someone to look after your jewelry shop: “Nice little shop ya got there. Shame if anything happened to it”.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:59pm
I remember when

Revealed: How Act’s David Seymour was gifted a plane for the election campaign: HB Today.
The business man said he offered the use of his plane, a Cessna Caravan, to Seymour about eight months ago.
The cost of the plane was free, described as a “campaign contribution.”
The operating costs are reportedly less than $2000 a day.
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October 2, 2023 10:46am
I remember when

Hawke’s Bay Ross Shield for primary school sub-union teams, U-14 and max weight of 56 kg (Country sub-unions allowed two players of 58 kg).
This year 14 girls played in the tournament.
Meanwhile this week, U-14 Wakely Shield tournament has an all girl team for the first time.

Sign of the times!
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October 2, 2023 10:52am
- Che Guava
  
  Nothing against the young girls in this case, but we increasingly live in a hybrid Gynocracy spliced with a Cucktatorship.
  
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  October 2, 2023 10:58am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Interesting how those weights for primary school boys have increased.
  My town is the largest town in New Zealand that has neither a McDonalds nor a KFC, being 9km from any high traffic volume provincial state highway. The Junior Advisory Board of the local rugby union told us that our boys have a weight disadvantage when playing boys from towns that have either, or both, of a McDonalds or KFC.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:12am
  - Colville
    
    Your boys have a muscle mass as a % of total body weight advantage over the fatties from other towns do you mean??
    
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    October 2, 2023 11:20am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Labours Commerce spokesperson Duncan Webb promising a FREE ‘Tesla Model 3’
to all New Zealand citizens over 25 years of age who hold a current Drivers License.

https://twitter.com/nzlabour/status/1708572529814585760
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October 2, 2023 11:20am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m voting Labour!
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:06pm
Ghost

No labour we don’t need tax payers to start funding grocery chains to come to NZ

“If we’re returned to Government, Labour will back credible companies wanting to get into or expand into the New Zealand grocery business,” Webb said.

“This could include finance, making sure land is available, regulatory changes, incubating innovation and accelerating competition.”

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October 2, 2023 11:23am
Yvette

David Seymour @dbseymour
“There will be trouble in this country” if ACT insists on people being treated equally. What do you think the Māori Party president meant by that?
10:33 AM · Sep 6, 2023
video of John Tamihere saying “There will be trouble in this country”

Under this link to the one news website –
Election 2023: All of Jack Tame’s political leader interviews
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/01/election-2023-all-of-jack-tames-political-leader-interviews/
There is Jack Tame’s talk with Rawiri Waititi, Te Pāti Māori, September 10
At roughly the timestamp of 19:39 Jack Tame refers to John Tamihere saying “There will be trouble in this country”

It would seem that Rawiri Waititi has a very different take to what John Tamihere means.
I would consider John Tamihere as being more bare-faced than Rawiri Waititi
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October 2, 2023 11:24am
- Yvette
  
  I am sorry – I failed to offer a link, as follows –
  
  David Seymour @dbseymour
  “There will be trouble in this country” if ACT insists on people being treated equally. What do you think the Māori Party president meant by that?
  https://twitter.com/TheConsultant18/status/1699189045551910937
  __________________
  
  And I could perhaps add that of supportive injections from the background, the loudest of those are of Labour’s Willie Jackson
  Tamahere – “tonight when you go to bed, 25% of all babies under five are of Maori descent”
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:45am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Tamihere referring to Maori:
    
    “They’ll be under our management, not yours…”
    
    Bald-faced entitlement to rule anyone with a smidgen of Maori DNA. It’s called collectivism, folks, and it’s at the heart of every form of class and racial division known to mankind.
    
    Tamihere is saying, we own you, your interests and your future. He should wonder why TPM is polling at only 3% when 17% of the population has 1/64 or more Maori DNA.
    
    Those who might claim Maori heritage seem to be unimpressed by his message.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:19pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Several years ago I was working alongside a cousin of Tamihere. Her comments to me where that he’s not very popular, even within the family.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:26pm
      - Damocles11
        
        When David Wayne is more popular than you, you’re seriously a bad dude.
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:23pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yvette – if there is going to be racial division in NZ to access the various taxpayer provided products and services, then it is time that DNA profiling is made compulsory to take advantage of any such beneficial access.
    
    25% Maori DNA as a MINIMUM makes perfect sense to me, but they can haggle over the detail before making it law.
    Just ‘identifying’ as something to take advantage of a situation needs to be halted IMMEDIATELY.
    This applies to anything, including gender, race, religion etc etc.
    
    You really think someone won’t identify as something else if they perceive a benefit from doing so? It’s next level illogical.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:58pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Over 50% Maori DNA as a MINIMUM.
      
      With only 25% Maori DNA, you are far less Maori than anything else, so should fall in the non-Maori pool. Anything less is a farce.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:29pm
  - Local Miller
    
    So what if 25% of all babies are of Maori descent. How many of those are 50% or more of Maori descent?
    
    I would say that 99% of all babies are of non-Maori descent since there are so few pure bred Maori.
    
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    October 2, 2023 3:31pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Te Part-Maori claim them all.
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:25pm
Ghost

Bullshit. If council focus on what they are meant to be doing instead of white elephants they could easily afford to fix their water, sewage and storm water. Why is it that some councils can and have been doing this work, it the but others can’t do the basics. Just privatisation of council assets, theft.

As Queenstown and Auckland battle water woes, Labour’s local government spokesperson says taxpayer-funded water reforms are the “only answer” to fixing Aotearoa’s water issues.

The National Party promises, if elected, it will repeal Labour’s Three Waters reforms, restore council ownership and control, and set strict rules for water quality and investment in infrastructure. They are also promising to ensure water services are financially sustainable.

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October 2, 2023 11:33am
- MCōs
  
  Watercare, Auckland is building a 14.7km tunnel from Mangere to Grey Lynn at an original cost of $1.2bil. to help clean up Central Auckland waterways.
  https://www.watercare.co.nz/About-us/Projects-around-Auckland/Central-Interceptor
  No amount of whatever you consider to be white elephant projects would cost anything like that money.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Davis Seymour gets use of a plane given to him by an American millionaire and Te Pati Maori are not happy. Act is now corrupt!! 🙂

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/te-p%C4%81ti-m%C4%81ori-lays-formal-complaint-against-act-party-plane-donation-by-millionaire/ar-AA1hxlde
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October 2, 2023 11:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and how much money has te Pati Maori got from the publicly funded Waipareira Trust?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/waipareira-trust-to-try-to-claw-back-385k-in-loans-to-john-tamihere-campaigns/BUB2PAXWBBAIDKFIK723Z7C4Z4/
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, he’ll borrow/bludge another $385k from Te Waipareira Trust, pay the interest on the existing loan, and over a never-ending period of time, pocket the remainder.
    Such is the way of Maori Bookkeeping/Accountancy.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:03pm
- rouppe
  
  As long as it’s declared as a donation there’s no problem.
  
  TPM should just use one of the flying machines Te Ao Maori knowledge designed
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:07pm
  - mandk
    
    I thought that, too.
    
    Maybe TPM should use the sky waka that Maui made when he went to trap the sun in his net.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:53pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The old ‘sky waka’ – haven’t seen one of those yet, it must be impressive……
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:59pm
    - Keith White
      
      The sky waka is the centre of an enormously embarrassing safety video that I had to sit through when I left New Zealand. To call it cringeworthy, amateurish, painful, racist and about this anti-scientific as it’s possible to get (but out there some Woke NZ Prof is saying ‘hold my beer’) would be to praise it. And this is Luxon’s corporate culture – Air New Zealand.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:37pm
  - Terry Dalee
    
    Te waka chopachopa?
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:54pm
- kevn
  
  SteveO… $2000 a day with a pilot seems fair. Compare to Govt limos all the ‘others’ use with gay abandon. Night and day. Except kiri allan.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:20pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kevn,
    
    Be fair, Kiri managed to combine car use and flight on the same stretch of road.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:42pm
    - Keith White
      
      …and didn’t she also take a (presumably) fossil-fuel-guzzling SUV off the road? The woman works miracles!
      
      (Yes, I have biology training).
      
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      October 2, 2023 2:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    And what’s the cost /price of just about every journalist , editor and cartoonist in the country working for Labour /Green / Maori .
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:08pm
- MCōs
  
  That plane might not be much use in the current weather.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:41pm
slightlyrighty

Just heard Tamatha Paul on the Radio saying that she has worked for the public her entire adult life.

Hardly a brag when you’re only 25!
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October 2, 2023 11:37am
- NothingLeft
  
  She is never going to stop being a burden on the taxpayers she hates so much.
  
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  October 2, 2023 11:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  Paul: “It is not too late for us to prevent catastrophic climate change. But evidence shows that we must act urgently and invest significantly now. We cannot afford more delay. We must lift our city out of the flood plains [kk: WTF?] , and we must also lift our people out of poverty”
  
  Vacuous piffle that is detached from reality. In order words, perfect for the Greens.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:07pm
- Swifty
  
  No, what she’s actually done is work for the Green Party while holding publicly-funded employment, her entire adult life.
  
  Big difference.
  
  Oh and I see she got a $30,000 scholarship to Vic.
  
  What a terrible racist system we have.
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:31pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Being a student politician is not working for the public
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone feel like throwing up into a bucket, read this:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/former-prime-minister-dame-jacinda-ardern-rubs-shoulders-with-hollywood-a-listers-and-political-elite-at-new-york-gala/ar-AA1hvECV
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October 2, 2023 11:42am
- Countrygirl
  
  Still no news of a wedding which was imminent a couple of times before.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:33pm
  - graham
    
    Indeed, no mention of Clarke or Neve at all. Wonder if they’re currently in New Zealand, or swanning about with Ms Ardern?
    
    Oh, and at the bottom of the piece I notice this:
    
    Just a couple of weeks ago, Ardern was in Montreal for the Global Progress Action Summit, a gathering of left-leaning political figures both past and present.
    
    There, she was haggled on the street by an alt-right journalist, who accused of her being a hypocrite in a viral video.
    
    I rather suspect the reporter, Rachel Maher, meant “hassled” rather than “haggled”, and as for “alt-right” … oh dear. It’s been a while since we heard that one, I’d rather hoped the media had grown up and moved on. Obviously not.
    
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    October 2, 2023 4:12pm
Warren

Where was Te Pati Maori candidate Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke voice after the Ram Raids and Arson of Businesses that happening Huntly a few weeks ago .
https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350066302/deliberate-fire-destroys-pharmacys-medication.
It is easy to call out others and blame racism as the means but stand back and do nothing when people needing medical prescriptions are put in jeopardy by people that don’t care about others .
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October 2, 2023 11:44am
- Yvette
  
  Did John Tamahere make her a target in his possible race-baiting of non-Maori?
  https://twitter.com/TheConsultant18/status/1699189045551910937
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Where was Te Pati Maori candidate Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke voice
  
  Probably at the same place as all those politicians who fail to call out gang members who maim and kill women and children.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:37pm
ecco

Notice how the nz msm has not asked Labour to cost out one single election promise, of which they have been coming thick and fast lately. They are proposing to fund new supermarket entrants. Give me a break.

What would Robertson and Hipkins know about funding a business? Of course Stuff never open up these articles for commenting. Too sh*t scared of what the responses would be.
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October 2, 2023 11:46am
- David Garrett
  
  ecco: We have Kiwirail – a bottomless money pit – so what’s wrong with Kiwimart or Kiwigrocers as well?
  
  I think it’s a great idea! //
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:19pm
  - Yvette
    
    David, would you really want the innovators of Kiwibuild to run the supermarket chains?
    All the shelves would be more empty than the baked beans and toilet paper shelves if Andrew Little appeared in a break in the middle of Shortland Street to announce a new 11:59 covid shutdown \\
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:53pm
    - cmm
      
      Only rich pricks would pay. Entitled people could just walk out with anything and the helpful staff will even pack it into their cars.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:07pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133039988/nz-election-2023-live-labour-promises-finance-for-new-supermarket-retailers
Surely there is something wrong with this: is it really a Government’s job to finance supermarkets?
Or anyone, for that matter?
( sorry: never saw ecco’s comment above ).
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October 2, 2023 11:58am
- Nickc2
  
  Another step towards Socialism/Communism!
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:54pm
  - Keith White
    
    “Labour, the Greens, and the Maori party want to take everything you have, except your job.”
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

The trolley-guy at NW asked me whether I thort the Jack Tam interview would have helped or hindered Winnie’s chances of getting over 5% ?

Not knowing how he’s likely to vote, I just said I didn’t know.
As my nan always used to say “never discuss religion or politics with strangers”.
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October 2, 2023 12:12pm
- cmm
  
  SHould have asked him what he thought. It would have been interesting to get an opinion from outside the bubble.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:28pm
David Garrett

American flags are flying at half mast here in Tonga…Who has died in the US? Jimmy Carter perhaps? Or just another multiple shooting.

Now repeat after me: “Guns don’t kill people; it’s people who kill people”

It is totally irrelevant that gun violence is 100 times worse in the US than any other first world country.
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October 2, 2023 12:21pm
- cmm
  
  Gainsberg or whatever that old bird was called.
  She was 90. Didn’t look a day over 105.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:27pm
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: If you mean Ruth Bader GINSBERG she died a wee while ago I think.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:32pm
    - cmm
      
      These batty old broads all look the same to me.
      
      Here’s Feinstein recently not knowing what to do, and her helper having to tell her how to vote:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRk1aV6cuh8
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ginsberg death caused a few meltdowns.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF1E0DNvhM0
      
      Someone did a horizontal flip to make the car right hand drive.
      
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      October 2, 2023 1:19pm
  - cmm
    
    Sorry, as Ghost says, Feinstein.
    
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    October 2, 2023 12:34pm
- Ghost
  
  it is for Senator Dianne Feinstein.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jimmy Carter is out & about on his 99th birthday today
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLvdlF4cETw
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:32pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Has lived long enough to not be worst president in living memory.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    Jimmy Carter’s age shows that a dose of nuclear radiation won’t necessarily shorten your life.
    
    He was a nuclear engineer in the US Navy when he was called to the partial meltdown of the nuclear plant at Chalk River, Canada. There, he and his repair team were lowered into the reactor for 90 seconds at a time.
    
    Carter did suffer cancerous tumours at the age of 91, but, with prompt treatment, recovered from these.
    
    https://www.military.com/history/how-jimmy-carter-saved-canadian-nuclear-reactor-after-meltdown.html
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Democrat, peanut farmer.
    I do hope he makes the magic ton!
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      He’s not at all well. Another year for him ain’t fun.
      
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      October 2, 2023 9:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  David
  All the gun violence is concentrated in several US Cities. Most of those cities have serious gun controls.
  Take those Stats out and the US falls very near the bottom.
  The question you should be asking is, why are those cities different?
  What’s going on in them?
  Mindlessly sneering about guns killing people just ignores the fundamental issues of what is wrong in those cities.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:12pm
  - virtualmark
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
    
    Scroll down to the 2019 figures (most recent). Click on heading of right-most column to sort on “Firearm murder rate per 100,000 people”.
    
    #1 = Alabama
    #2 = Louisiana
    #3 = Missouri
    #4 = Maryland
    #5 = South Carolina
    #6 = Alaska
    #7 = Arkansas
    #8 = Tennessee
    #9 = Illinois
    #10 = Mississippi
    …
    #49 = Hawaii
    No figures for Florida, so only 49 states reported.
    
    Looks like the good ole boys can’t handle their guns.
    
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    October 2, 2023 4:51pm
    - kevn
      
      virtual… Prob more guns than people in those states.
      
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      October 2, 2023 5:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I know and have seen this. Well at home with our host family we don’t see them, but even us visitors know where they are.
        
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        October 2, 2023 5:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uhuh
      And all the violence happens in the Cities in those States and all those Cities tend to be run by Democrats.
      You have tried that dissembling before.
      
      Look at Alabama, the first on your list. The capitol is the City of Montgomery-high crime rates there.
      ‘Montgomery’s violent crime rates compare unfavorably to other large cities in the state. In 2009, Montgomery’s crime rates were favorable compared to other large Alabamian cities such as Huntsville, Mobile, and Birmingham. However, crime rose in the 2010s and early 2020s, leading to a record high of over 320 shooting victims and over 77 homicide victims in 2021.[73][74] In 2022 Montgomery’s violent crime rate was 514 per 100,000, earning only a crime score rating of 9/100.”
      
      And its a DEMOCRAT CITY.
      ‘ Montgomery County, AL is Strongly liberal. In Montgomery County, AL 65.1% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 33.6% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.3% voted Independent”
      https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/alabama/montgomery
      
      Thanks for proving my point
      Lol
      
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      October 2, 2023 5:29pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        You have tried that dissembling before.
        
        Yes he has, via that “thirdway” group bs a few months ago.
        
        It’s quite something to see VM in action here. He’s less a pure shill for the Democrat Party than a private sector shill plugged into the Wellington establishment, from which I’d bet most of his “private sector consulting” income is derived. Hence the constant drum beating for the entire C-19 response – lockdowns, masks, the worthless vaccines and all the anti civil liberty breaches involved – plus “renewable” energy and such.
        
        You could pick him up out of Wellington, drop him into the Washington beltway and he’d be right at home with the 95% Democrat voting popn there.
        
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        October 2, 2023 10:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Messing about on Youtube and I came across this.
What a fun place NZ was in 1974. Let’s go back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeUzrsjwF4I
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October 2, 2023 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Catchy guitar tune than nearly every Kiwi knows.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump in Iowa today.
Lefties, go find your safe place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLBjv_zmI28
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October 2, 2023 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Them “Define Woke.”
Me “Define Woman.”
Then “No.”
Me “That’s Woke.”
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October 2, 2023 1:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Interviewer: “What is your worst weakness?”
  
  Candidate: “I’m really honest”
  
  Interviewer: “I don’t think that’s a weakness”
  
  Candidate: “I don’t give a shit what you think”
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Perfect!
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:34pm
Maggie Pie

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
This just cracked me up sooo much I thort it was worth sharing…..

It’s a compilation of the New Zealander-of-the-Years (since deleted) Tweets.

Hilariously referred to as….. “The Trannifesto” LOL!!

https://spidercatnz.com/shaneel-lal-the-trannifesto/

My fave is the pic of Shaneel behind Chippy with his tongue hanging out 😛
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October 2, 2023 1:21pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  That screams high decibel mental health issues
  
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  October 2, 2023 1:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And to think that Chippie when he was MoE, appointed him as his
    Youth-Education-Advisor.
    
    Little wonder we find this country in the state it is today.
    
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    October 2, 2023 1:54pm
- Yabster
  
  he does need mental help clearly- Chippy/Cindy, Labour and Kiwbank- so far down the rabbit hole- embarrassment to the NZ.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:10pm
  - Keith White
    
    I dunno if he needs help. Decades ago a prof taught me “Remember, in the end, all delusions are functional. When someone is deluded, ask ‘cui bono?’ Is it their psyche, their ego, their id, or their bank balance.”
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      A neurotic is a man who builds a castle in the air. A psychotic is the man who lives in it. A psychiatrist is the man who collects the rent.
      
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      October 2, 2023 3:42pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Oh boy, that is good and true!
        
        Let’s see if I get Facebook jail.
        
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        October 2, 2023 5:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Grief…
  
  Is there any group of people that Shaneel hasn’t slagged off?
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:58pm
  - Ghost
    
    Fijian trans?
    
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    October 2, 2023 3:04pm
  - cas
    
    And shagged off as well?
    
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    October 2, 2023 4:06pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “I am happy to be known as the fag that tore the fabric of society apart and destroyed the heterosexual dream.”
  
  There it is, proclaimed openly and proudly. That’s why many of us call trans activism a political crusade having nothing to do with live and let live. It’s the neo-Marxist imperative to never leave you any place to hide. To keep coming after you until you submit, and to warp your children in public schools while you are forced to pay for it all. Lal is just the tip of the iceberg not some isolated troublemaker.
  
  They are destroyers and they want to destroy YOU.
  
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  October 2, 2023 3:56pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Where is lals left hand? hipkins fake smiling.
  What a ghastly image.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Long red tie. Is Trump really Hipkins?
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:45pm
Ghost

Worth listening to, Tamihere throws a hissy fit

Sean Plunket reveals heated text exchange with Māori Party President John Tamihere
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October 2, 2023 1:34pm
Flossie

Robertson says rates bill will rise under National.
Rates bills are going to rise annually as they always have done, regardless of which flavour government we have.
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October 2, 2023 1:50pm
- peterwn
  
  Labour will say anything at this late stage to get votes. They are desperate.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:02pm
  - kevn
    
    Got the crims, overstayers and benes onside. That must be 25% of the population right there. But… are they enrolled and will they bother voting?
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:05pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Meh, it is hard earned coin extracted from the citizens wherever it comes from – taxpayers or ratepayers.
  Robertson is just seeking to shift blame and responsibility from his woeful central government grifters onto the local councils and their community based electeds.
  Shame on him using this for electioneering purposes.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:15pm
- surfing
  
  Robertson is referring to National’s cancellation of three waters. This Labour government was bribing councils with significant cash to accept three waters.
  
  The thing I don’t understand about three waters, and which has never been explained, is how labour conclude that ratepayers will not have to pay for water/waste infrastructure under three waters.
  
  One way or another, water infrastructure has to be paid through either rates, water bills, or general taxation. Because the same person pays all 3, the apportioned ratio is only of academic interest. If we subtract $100 water from rates, it just gets added to the water bill or one’s general tax liability.
  
  Robertson has never explained in detail how three waters will be funded.
  
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  October 2, 2023 2:20pm
  - Keith White
    
    “Robertson has never explained in detail how three waters will be funded.”
    
    OnlyFans – the Labour AfterParty Party?
    
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    October 2, 2023 2:40pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Rates bills are going to rise annually as they always have done, regardless of which flavour government we have.”
  
  Then you’re voting for the wrong people. Who the hell said they have to go up annually? Do income taxes have to? Does GST? Do all other types of levies need to rise annually?
  
  How about living within your means.
  
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  October 2, 2023 4:00pm
  - Flossie
    
    I’ve been paying rates for fifty years. Never ever has the bill been less than the previous year, nevermind cheaper.
    
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    October 2, 2023 4:56pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      And might you also just shrug and say, all my life crime has gone up year after year, not once has it gone down?
      
      No, you’d say it isn’t right and it needs to be sorted out.
      
      Resigning yourself to being rorted by wasteful bureaucrats is part of the problem, not the solution.
      
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      October 2, 2023 5:09pm
Maggie Pie

HOW DISGUSTING….

Just a guess, but woudn’t mind betting the ‘Nurse’ referred to in this story was both overweight and unattractive.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/02/mental-health-nurse-suspended-after-sexual-encounter-with-inmate/
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October 2, 2023 2:45pm
- cmm
  
  What really grates my tits in that article is using a stock photo of a crusty old prison.
  
  Photos in an article are supposed to add value and information. NZ prisons don’t look like that.
  
  C’mon Maggie, we all know chicks go for the bad boys.
  
  If you’re in prison you’re probably not too fussy either….
  As my Army drill sergeant used to say: It might be a long way to the next water hole. If there is water, then drink.
  
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  October 2, 2023 3:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Female guards screwing Fatah terrorist in Israeli prison .
  
  Who’d thunk mixing in prisons a good idea?
  
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  October 2, 2023 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

What sort of shit headline is this?

‘LUXON PULLS OUT OF MAJOR LEADERS DEBATE’

– Newshub.

FFS! It was Chippy that pulled out. Anyone who believes all the crap about him having Covid is deluded. And as far as Robbo calling Christopher a chicken for “pulling out”……
(I might just leave it there)
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October 2, 2023 3:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Labour Projecting…
  
  Projection tends to come to the fore in normal people at times of personal or political crisis[20] and is commonly found in narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder or paranoid personalities.[21]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
  
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  October 2, 2023 3:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Luv wiki ….also known as a ‘shame dumper’
    
    Sounds just like Robbo 😀
    
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    October 2, 2023 3:57pm
- PeeJay
  
  And boy are the media running with this.
  
  As I understand it, National have said no to Luxon debating the likes of Sepuloni saying it’s a leaders debate of Davis – personally I would have paid good money to see Luxon debate Davis!
  
  Further, National can’t make space in Luxon’s diary for a debate next week.
  
  While I understand not debating a Labour stand-in, they should have made time available for the debate next week. By refusing to make time next week, it gives Labour the opportunity to present Luxon as running away from the debate.
  
  Personally, I don’t think it matters that much as very few people will be swayed one way or the other, but by not accommodating a change to next week, all National have done is give free air space to the likes of Robertson, Woods and their media pals like Tova to throw shit out there about Luxon being scared.
  
  I don’t think it will change the result, but it’s stupid and naive – National should have known how Labour and the media would spin this – I just hope they don’t regret this.
  
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  October 2, 2023 4:06pm
nova

Quite reasonable for Luxon not to have space for an alternative date in the next 12 days. Maybe he should have proposed Oct 15th!! But I can’t see why he didn’t agree to an alternative opponent – it would have been quite fun to see Kelvin in action.
Interesting timing for Hipkins to test positive. I had a good look at the image he posted of his test, to see if there were any clues. The serial number on the test was OAA49108074, all the tests I’ve had have been OAB sequence, even from 12 months ago, I wonder if Chippy was doing his bit to use up the expired RAT tests? Note that this is tongue in cheek. I don’t actually know if this serial number indicates the test was expired, as I couldn’t find out any information about the serial number scheme for the Orient Gene tests.
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October 2, 2023 4:03pm
Ghost

Could there be a more useless politician, apart from Biden

Meghan Markle’s career may be about to take a huge turn.

Following the death of 90-year-old senator Dianne Feinstein, speculation has continued to mount that the Duchess of Sussex could be set to replace the late senator for the next 13 months of her term.

While there is no official word on the legitimacy of the claims, the Mail on Sunday has reported California governor Gavin Newsom has raised Megan’s name as a potential replacement for Feinstein.

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October 2, 2023 4:37pm
- virtualmark
  
  Or … there’s the more reliable story that Newsom is about to appoint Laphonza Butler to see out the remaining 13 months of Feinstein’s term.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laphonza_Butler
  
  Wouldn’t have been my choice, but California gonna California.
  
  Look for a fully knives out primary next year between Adam Schiff and Katie Porter.
  
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  October 2, 2023 4:43pm
- kevn
  
  Ghost… Perfect California fit.
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:01pm
- rouppe
  
  Don’t senators have to be elected?
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    Her seat will be appointed by the governor either until the end of her term
    
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    October 2, 2023 7:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon on how his faith had been misrepresented. He did not say how or why.
Does it matter about his faith? I am not a man of faith – not Christened – therefore a heathen!
Chris Luxon is OK, and is Julian Batchelor. Their faith does not matter to me, their direction they go matters to me.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-on-misrepresented-faith-and-chinese-investment-in-newstalk-zb-s-leaders-breakfast/ar-AA1hwSSL
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October 2, 2023 4:44pm
- rouppe
  
  How? By Labour saying that National will ban abortion because Chris Luxon has said he is pro life.
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:28pm
Maggie Pie

Well butter my butt and call me a muffin!

Even Labor’s gay health minister is politicizing the Rona now….

https://twitter.com/drayeshaverrall/status/1708682266980110421
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October 2, 2023 5:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Anyone get the feeling that Labour was going to stack the Press debate with a pack of their stooges and now it looks like their grand plan is falling apart?
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:18pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Dunno about that, but, this is proving to be one of the brightest spots for Labour from the whole electioneering process so far.
    Sorry, National, this hasn’t been handled well and has allowed Labour to get a much needed upper hand – with the gleeful assistance of their media supporters.
    Surely National management could have done better and said Mr Luxon was available to debate Labour leadership , whoever they put up, on Tuesday night?
    Why not?
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    I was listening to zb the day after the tv3 debate. Someone rang in to talk about the few long term labour supporters he saw sitting as undecided voters. Seems the audience is always stacked.
    
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    October 2, 2023 5:41pm
- rockape
  
  Ithink her future job prospects probably just went down the toilet with that post.. cleaning bed pans in a rest home will be a bit of a comedown from Health Minister !
  
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  October 2, 2023 5:55pm
- miltonF
  
  I’m no Luxon fan but daaaaang. These swamp creatures such as the Health minister are irredeemable.
  
  I have serious questions about the intellectual capability of anyone intending to vote labour.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:22pm
Hugh Jarse

More lies from Labour and the media that Luxon pulled out of the next debate. Desperation is a smelly perfume. It’s going to be a landslide for National. I don’t think they or the media understand properly how strong the feeling is against them.
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October 2, 2023 5:36pm
- Prince
  
  TVNZ gave Hipkins a free 3 minute ad at 6PM.
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:11pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yes Jessica gave it away by saying in the report that the leaders are desperate to get themselves on the news in the evening, and dadum here we are obliging.
    
    “Jessica , then Tova”
    
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    October 2, 2023 7:29pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300980918/rugby-world-cup-richie-mounga-lifts-lid-on-the-formula-for-resurgent-all-blacks
I would have said that it was not having Cane there.
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October 2, 2023 6:08pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  No better team in the world at ripping up a soft opponent than the ABs. After the pool there won’t be anymore of those.
  
  RWC will be won by the front eight but most particularly the tight five. On past form they have been inconsistent and have lost many of the close games. Can they topple the Irish? Yes. Will they? It seems unlikely but time will tell.
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:46pm
  - trout
    
    The relaxation the interchange rules in Rugby has changed the game and the All Blacks have not adjusted. They got done over by the Poms in the last World Cup and look to suffer the same fate again by being monstered by hulking great forward packs. No opportunity to run the heavy duty opposing forwards into the ground when 8 fresh replacements sit on the sideline.
    
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    October 7, 2023 4:45pm
Hugh Jarse

Wow Amelia Wade calling Luxon “a little yelllow bellied” because his calendar for the next 12 days is full and Hipkins has plenty of space. The bias out there on full display complete with narrowed eyes for extra dramatic effect.
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October 2, 2023 6:09pm
- Prince
  
  Who is Amelia Wade ?
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    tv3 ‘news’ reporter
    
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    October 2, 2023 7:29pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Newshub political journalist
    
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    October 2, 2023 7:30pm
Ghost

This is outrageous

The financially troubled Ruapehu Alpine Lifts (RAL) is to get its fourth cash injection from the Crown in a year, with a $7 million announcement on Monday.

Liquidators PWC, which took over when RAL went into voluntary administration last year owing $45 million, have told Newshub they only enough cash to keep the skifields operating until the end of next month.

Newshub can reveal Cabinet has met to rubber-stamp a new $7.35 million support package to allow RAL to continue until March 2024.

Of that RAL gets a $4.3 million loan to continue operating both the Tūroa and Whakapapa ski fields until the end of March 2024.

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October 2, 2023 6:28pm
- Keith White
  
  More productive taxpayers’ earnings going Harpic thanks to the thieves in charge.
  
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  October 2, 2023 7:46pm
- Swifty
  
  Ghost, may I enquire as to your specific objections?
  
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  October 2, 2023 8:04pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sure, we are in an election. This should be left for the next government to decide on.
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:12pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yes, good point.
      
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      October 2, 2023 8:56pm
rouppe

Un. Believable

Two people under “intensive supervision” manage to leave the country.
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October 2, 2023 7:53pm
miltonF

People are still debating the issue of forestry slash polluting our rivers and beaches.

I really want to know why the govt is not taking any action on this. You can’t just dump your rubbish on other people’s property. It’s as simple as that, and no different to me unloading a tray of household rubbish onto Hipkins front lawn. Again, as we see with many issues in NZ, the problem appears to be a lack of enforcement of human rights. In this case, property rights.

Maybe you can call me cynical, but I believe the lack of action might have something to do with the fact that Māori iwi own 48% of all forestry in NZ, the remainder mostly owned by large multinational corporations and China, through the Chinese forestry group…
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October 2, 2023 9:12pm
- [email protected]
  
  A mandatory requirement for forestry harvesters to place an ID on the odd slash log might cause them to be a bit more careful about where they leave their trash and force them to pay for damage caused by their trash.
  
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  October 2, 2023 9:30pm
oldpark

Hipkins Cabal and his well bribed so called NZs Mainstream Media are the jokes that keep giving .
Two things wee guy called Hipkins should know .
Don’t go on holiday and don’t get sick whether sick or not .
The Worldand time moves on even if you are a Politician . Get a life.Don’t get sick just to reiterate earlier advice.
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October 2, 2023 9:43pm
Jack5

Will the incoming Government stifle a likely new wave of Japanese used-car imports?

Japan has blocked exports to Russia and used-car resellers will likely look to right-hand markets such as New Zealand to take some of the demand slack.

The Japanese Russian ban applies to all but sub-compact cars.

A question for pale-green political parties in the election run-up: will they allow in a surge of used-car imports from Japan – petrol powered, of course.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/japan-puts-brakes-lucrative-used-car-trade-with-russia-2023-10-01/
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October 2, 2023 10:52pm
- kevn
  
  Jack… I think there are restrictions put on Jap imports by the incumbent clown circus. Something to do with pushing the ‘clean car EV’ agenda.
  Someone here will know the details.
  
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