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Tomtoddy

These ‘facts’ below are meant to shock you. You are supposed to be repulsed and want to take immediate action to rectify this ‘horrifying’ situation.

Call me a philistine or a right wing capitalist devoid of any environmental sympathy but I don’t care a fig.

1. Since the start of the Industrial Revolution, planet Earth has lost approximately 87% of its original wetlands and swamps and their unique ecosystems.

2. Since 1970, planet Earth has lost 68% of its original biomass of vertebrates.

3. Every year, approximately 200 000 square kilometres with forests are lost by human deforestation.

4. The Earth’s largest rainforest, the Amazonas rainforest, has been reduced by 20% of its original extent.

I am happy hearing the earth is greening from more CO2, deserts are shrinking, food production is increasing, more people are out of poverty and cruise ship fares are falling.
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June 11, 2024 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tom, can you please tell the loopy Greens about the CO2 bit?
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:24am
  - G152
    
    Sorry. Does not fit with their agenda.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    The loopy Greens aren’t the problem.
    
    Our “mainstream” pollies are right into “net zero” and “energy transition”.
    
    They are the true morons .
    
    At least many parts of western electorates are finally waking up.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Greens breath too much of that out
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Greens could always stop.
      
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      June 11, 2024 11:21am
- Countrygirl
  
  At least losing the swamps will reduce the amount of methane some are so worried about.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Most of the world’s most productive farmlands will have been swamps .
    
    There’s a reason the ancient Egyptians invented geometry .
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:57am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    I concerned about the lack of swamps – where are shitty politicians going to be dumped when trump gets back in?
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Losing the Amazon rainforest is not going to are lead to shrinking deserts, increased food production and more people out of poverty. Quite the opposite.
  
  I have explained in probably over 100 comments why I think that spending tens of billions on emissions mitigation is a terrible idea, no more so than in New Zealand. That does not translate into celebrating deforestation.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:47am
  - Matt Long
    
    Many people who live in countries such as Brazil prefer habitat modification to starvation.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    Think globally…
    All that extra greening of the deserts is at least somewhat replacing lost rain forest areas.
    
    I don’t think he is celebrating deforestation per se, but rather the whole package deal.
    
    To make an omelette you need to crack a few eggs. To achieve what we have we have eliminated a small % of the rain forests.
    
    I welcome you to forgo these benefits if you wish (including your taxpayer funded income). But 99% of the world’s population would rather have what they have now – including all the virtue signalling smug greenies.
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:23am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Not celebrating, BY. Just observing and stating some indifference.
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:08am
- Taieri
  
  And all the dinosaurs, but that was before the industrial revolution…
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:00am
- WaynelSexton
  
  A quick look into declining birth rates and declining IQ, means we’ve probably reached the peak.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:14am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I think it is a proven fact that the world is warming a little. However, that is not all bad. Many more people die from extreme cold than extreme heat. So fewer people die from extreme temperatures.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:36am
  - Sacha
    
    – which will be handy, considering the overall fall in birthrates.
    
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    June 11, 2024 1:15pm
- Ra Henare
  
  TT
  Its always nice to see some references for these reported “”facts”” especially as you put facts in quotes.
  
  ie how reliable are the claims.
  
  How many KBers believe your assertions without bothering (dont have the time and energy) to verify your claims.
  
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  There is no universal definition of what a ‘forest’ is. That means there are a range of estimates of forest area and how this has changed over time.
  
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  June 11, 2024 2:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I disagree, Tom. I think that diversity in ecology is, in & of itself, a good thing. I also think that there’s any amount of stuff that early 21st century humans don’t know; let’s leave some places wild for the future.
  
  Do you really think that bowling over a million hectares of the Amazon results in happier, healthier, wealthier Brazilians? More likely a few individuals will expand their already large fortunes. Moreover, if the effort & wealth expended in hacking down the rainforest was applied elsewhere in the economy, could be that better outcomes for more people would be achieved.
  
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  June 11, 2024 7:07pm
Bridgenag

Center Right Surges in European Elections
Another setback for the Globalist Far Left, and a threat to NATO war planning

“In Europe, they have had the same fears of election manipulation. And yet people still came out and voted. Voting is a modest act of defiance in the face of Globalist corporatism. And sometimes, if enough people do it, the collective force of those votes can move the needle of history. Don’t give up hope. The Battle of Evermore is not over yet, despite all of the efforts to convince you otherwise”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/center-right-surges-in-european-elections?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 11, 2024 8:09am
Damocles11

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350305832/father-baby-allegedly-killed-te-kuiti-says-he-didnt-do-anything-wrong

‘Asked if the toddler had previously suffered any serious injuries, Ali said he had once, when the pair fell down the stairs together after he tripped. The then 3-month-old, suffered fractures to his collarbone and ribs as well as bleeding on the head and neck.
After the incident Oranga Tamariki became involved and Mustafa was put into his grandparents’ care for about three months. He returned to his parents in February, Ali said.’
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June 11, 2024 8:10am
- Cantabrian
  
  Note that we are given names of the father and child – this would not have been the case if they were natives. Yet another instance of media double standards.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah , funny how some te media have adopted and make a big fanfare of tribal affiliations after names , copying the Oz media fad , but then in other instances ………not so much.
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:00am
    - Countrygirl
      
      Did anyone else notice in the photo that he was making what I think is a gang sign with his hand?
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:09am
  - Scooter
    
    Very bizarre the reporting in Newstalk and Newshub. So much detail, the father and son photo, names and in Newshub his explanation of what happened and also with a previous injury. You have to ask why now when usually the media are very quiet on the parents, the injuries etc. Hmmm wonder why? In any case one thing in common is the poor child was saddled with 4 or 5 unpronounceable names.
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Maybe ADHD and a bit of other mental illness, that’s an excuse for Whanau
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:11pm
    - DaleK
      
      Piss poor legal advice, if any.
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:28pm
  - greybeard
    
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2020/08/18/what-is-islams-appeal-to-maori/
    Are you sure that the father is not maori ? Taking a muslim name is apparently quite common amongst maori: there seems to be some sort of similarity between maori values and beliefs and those of Islam. Numerous articles on this subject if you search for ” maori who take islamic names”.
    Not only maori: Cat Stevens and Cassius Clay also became re-named people after conversion
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:17pm
- alex Masterley
  
  mmmmm.
  He protesteth… etc etc etc.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:36am
slightlyrighty

I have the distinct feeling that things with The Maori Party are going to come to a head in the not too distant future.

It’s continued pathway of rabble rousing radicalism at all costs will soon come to a metaphical fork in the road where the NZ Public in general, and Maoridom in particular, has to decide if their brand of politics is the appropriate voice for Maoridom.

The recently announced investigation as to the possible illegal use of census and health data to assist in electioneering may well open a window in the wider Modus Operandi of the party, and it’s wider organisation, particularly in regard to John Tamihere, and his various roles.

At the same time, a Party Leader who jokes about killing his politcal opponents, while agitating for a seperate Maori Parliament (A move that solicited a rebuke from the Maori King), leads to a sense of ever increasing incrementalism.

The question that raises, is will this sort of agitation create an atmosphere where a young radicalised follower might carry out an unspeakable act?
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June 11, 2024 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  On your last question, I hope that the NZSIS is actively monitoring.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  Peeni Henare also used very violent rhetoric , but then that’s ok ………
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And Jackson blames the Nats for all the trouble they are in even though Hipkins complained about the texts
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:49am
- Scooter
  
  I doubt that anything will come of it as so many ministries are possibly complicit in dodgy cover ups. However if it’s proven then it could bring down The Maori Party and those connected.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I bet Hipkins is gutted with their carryon. Who will vote for Labour knowing nut bar Greenies will be in cabinet and racist divisive TPM with ministers of I don’t know corrections, or msori issues
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:48am
- Ruawai
  
  Waititi and the Maori party might be going to kill but Marama and the Greens are going to do the eating.
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:06am
  - greybeard
    
    Are you really from Ruawai ?
    I was born over the river at Te Kopuru hospital, my cousin taught at the Ruawai School in the 1950s/60s and I have relatives near Ruawai who currently grow kumara for a living.
    
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    June 11, 2024 6:50pm
Muttonbird

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I see Tim Costley-to-the-taxpayer has his snout firmly in the trough already.

Perhaps MPs should only be allowed to double dip accomodation perks for the number of days Parliament sits, 84, instead of raiding the pockets of hardworking taxpayers all year?
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June 11, 2024 8:14am
- Ghost
  
  Strange, you never mention the labour mp’s also doing this
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    muttonbird probably could not spell McAnulty.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:48am
    - pdm
      
      Or `Little Willie’ Jackson.
      
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      June 11, 2024 8:56am
      - softail 1450
        
        pdm, whacko Jackson.
        
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        June 11, 2024 9:00am
      - pdm
        
        I like the connotations of `Little Willie’.
        
        Blends well with Megan Woods who has been `Miss Piggy’ in our house since before the 2017 election.
        
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        June 11, 2024 9:14am
      - leoj
        
        pdm:
        
        There were pies in here. They disappeared!
        
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        June 11, 2024 1:05pm
- redeye
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350304545/nz-politics-live-labours-kieran-mcanulty-claims-housing-perk-live-his-wifes
  
  Snigger.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:33am
  - Ghost
    
    So are Willie Jackson, Jan Tinetti, Deborah Russell and Duncan Webb
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:42am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    at least Costley has the excuse that he has an electorate…..
    
    Does McAnulty? That’d be a no.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:54am
    - Paulus
      
      Note that we are seeing heavily a TV advert for all aspects of the TAB gambling.
      Is this to help McNulty who was I understand a TAB Manager in the Wairarapa ?
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:03am
      - Ian
        
        I’m amazed that gambling adverts are played during family viewing time, and not banned until after 10.00p.m.
        
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        June 11, 2024 1:24pm
  - sirknz
    
    Some clown on X (doesn’t narrow it down unfortunately) who is pissing his pants about Cook, is stating that it is a completely different affair with McAnulty as he isn’t directly benefiting from this, despite the fact that the property is ‘owned’ by his wife.
    
    It’s always different when the left does the same thing…
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:57am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yeah, I saw a report that Kevin McAnulty MP lives in his Mrs’s gaff during the week whilst claiming for an accommodation benefit as well.
  Terrible eh, Muttonbird.
  Do you get any taxpayer handouts to help with your rent?
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Was McNulty recently married, again, this time to Chippy’s PA, or something, so he is entitled.
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:05am
  - MCōs
    
    Numerous people are triggered by the use of Māori words, which is at least an NZ language
    There’ll be a few heads exploding if Irish slang takes hold!
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:24am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Whats that got to do with McNulty claiming rent?
      
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      June 11, 2024 3:29pm
- alex Masterley
  
  You show Costley? I raise with McNulty?
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:39am
- Countrygirl
  
  Willie Jackson as an example –
  
  Jackson, like the Prime Minister, owns an apartment in Wellington. He claims a tax-free accommodation allowance, which he is entitled to. He pays it to himself as the owner of the place he stays at in Wellington.
  
  But it’s different when National party people do it!
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:41am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    which is exactly what Luxon did, and was vilified for by the MSM, who seem starngly selective about what is right and wrong as it seems not so much about what is being done, but who is doing it…..
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:55am
  - nova
    
    Willie Jackson claimed that it was ok for him to take the allowance as he has a mortgage:
    
    “We take that because all of us have to pay mortgages. None of us have got mortgage-free set-ups like Mr Luxon”
    
    But as Peter Williams points out, Willie has 4 properties and only one mortgage:
    
    https://peterallanwilliams.substack.com/p/seriously-willie
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:13am
- kevn
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350304545/nz-politics-live-labours-kieran-mcanulty-claims-housing-perk-live-his-wifes
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:46am
- Yabster
  
  old mutton chops- two words “Kieran McAnulty” OINK OINK mutton…
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:47am
- Chris R
  
  Muttonbird: If Nobel Prizes are ever dished out for pettiness I would be more than happy to n nominate YOU!
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:48am
  - igm
    
    No, the resident troll beats him hands down.
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:24am
- peterwn
  
  However most MP’s have Select Committee and other duties that require them to be in Wellington on non-sitting days. It is appropriate that they receive an accommodation allowance to cover these duties. The question arises as to what is a reasonable commute distance from Wellington. The Rimutakas forms a ‘hard’ boundary, but the other boundary is harder to define and the situation is more tricky because of roading and public transport improvements. Waikanae would in my opinion be the outer limit that a MP would be expected to commute.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:50am
  - Cassandra
    
    I’ve commuted from Waikanae – it’s too far. MPs work odd hours, so occasionally might be okay, as it was for me, but frequently is no fun. Perhaps we need a barracks in Thorndon for MPs.
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:23am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Maybe here:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellingtons-gordon-wilson-flats-could-be-demolished-for-victoria-university-accommodation/PMPWHZJ26NDPBGPVQQPL6LPGEY/
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:49am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Cruel and unusual!
        
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        June 11, 2024 7:12pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Disagree the Rimutakas are a hard boundary.
    
    Plenty of people commute from Masterton daily.
    
    By road from Parliament its motorway to Upper Hutt which is a 20/25 minute drive outside peak.. Its an hour to Carterton max driving ….
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:52am
    - MCōs
      
      An hour and nineteen minutes from Carterton to parliament according to Google maps
      Or seven hours on a bicycle
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:31am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Google maps… Which over estimates journey times… And estimates at the time of route request….
        
        And so what. Lots of people make that commute everyday… MPs can to….
        
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        June 11, 2024 11:04am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not when the road’s closed.
      
      You can’t expect McAnulty to rely on the TRAIN, can you?
      
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      June 11, 2024 7:13pm
  - Taieri
    
    People from Dunedin regularly commute for shift work to Finegand Meat Works near Balclutha (just over 80 km one way) and to Macraes gold mine (just over 90 km one way).
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:50am
    - MCōs
      
      How depressing is that
      
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      June 11, 2024 2:14pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You realise that Costly is on select committees, he probably does 15 hour days plus meetings, utterly pathetic suggest he should spend an hour each in traffic as well
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:16pm
      - Taieri
        
        I’m merely recalling that a certain MP is not the only one that is forced to commute to work. Many people do that and don’t see anything unusual about it. Even, when they operate heavy machinery where concentration is paramount and fatigue is very detrimental. Personally, I have no problem with MPs claiming accommodation allowance when it is justified. But I have a problem with MPs claiming this allowance in order to live in the houses they own.
        
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        June 11, 2024 6:38pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Taieri – if MPs were banned from renting Wellington flats they owned themselves, they’d just rent each other’s flats. Simples, eh!
        
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        June 11, 2024 7:16pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  So Mutty, is Chloe Swarbrick claiming accommodation expenses? If so why when her partner WORKS for the Wellington CC in a senior role and therefore must be living in Wellington as well – so Chloe should have a free bed!
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Also that e we Oman that pushed out Wall claims to live in her own apartment in Wellington, now it turns out her kids and husband are flown to Wellington twice a month, why?
    
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    June 11, 2024 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So at what distance from Parliament would you draw the line for having an accommodation allowance?
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:02am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Going way back, didn’t Phillida Bunkle have a bit of bother about this same thing?
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:28am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      “Phyllida Barkle” she shoulda been called.
      
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      June 11, 2024 9:51am
    - igm
      
      Marion Hobbs dug into the accommodation trough also.
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:11am
      - peterwn
        
        Marion had a ‘Peter Principle’ problem in Parliament. Wellington Girls College held the Principal’s job open in the hope Marion would not get into Parliament and she would have been successful in that role.
        
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        June 11, 2024 2:23pm
    - peterwn
      
      And the house she owned and rented out was a stone’s throw from Parliament. She considered she was entitled to a Ministerial house and have the rental income from her own property as her Ministerial salary was less than her previous academic salary at Vic.
      
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      June 11, 2024 2:18pm
  - rouppe
    
    Not distance, per se, but are you living in another city.
    
    I don’t have a problem with McAnulty claiming, I don’t think commuting from Masterton with MP’s hours is reasonable.
    
    Exceptions would be Porirua and out to say Paekakariki, that’s not onerous commuting. I recall regularly seeing Kriss Faafoi using a crown limo to get to work in the mornings from Porirua.
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s not reasonable for Costly either, he is very busy being on a number of select committees, the problem is, not enough hours in the day
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:18pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I see Kieran McNulty has his snout firmly in the trough also!
  I guess it’s ok when the left do it.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, the vulgar media tried to say it was his sisters flat, turns out it’s his wife’s flat, bloody rotten pathetic
    
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    June 11, 2024 4:19pm
- MCōs
  
  Numerous MPs from several parties are paid to live in their own houses because they are normally resident away from Wellington
  In Mr Costley’s case he’s only 45min drive up the new motorway so it’s basically a commute to work for him.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:48am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Ditto Mcanulty
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:53am
    - MCōs
      
      It’s almost twice as long out to the Wairarapa wastelands
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:33am
  - peterwn
    
    But is he paid for the time he spends commuting? I think it is ‘cruel and unusual’ for someone to have to drive for 45 minutes after 10pm after a long work day.
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is on lots of select committees, making his day possibly 15 hours a day, then you want him to travel each way as well
    
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    June 11, 2024 4:20pm
    - Taieri
      
      making his day possibly 15 hours a day
      ————-
      
      If he regularly works 15 hours days, there’s something very wrong with the system that allows it. And the quality of work is bound to be rather mediocre.
      
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      June 11, 2024 6:45pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yet you will be fine for McKinulty to be staying in his sisters flat and claim as well, god you lefties are pathetic
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:51am
  - MCōs
    
    That would be Mr McAnulty you’re thinking of, Mr G
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I can never get his name correct
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:21pm
kevn

Aussie has the same disease as NZ, gong giving.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/06/10/man-responsible-for-worlds-longest-lockdown-given-australias-top-honour/
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June 11, 2024 8:15am
- G152
  
  Which speaks to the value of the award
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:30am
- PeeJay
  
  To be fair, both sides in Australia are just as bad at giving gongs to former leaders. Yesterday, a former Liberal PM of Victoria, Jeff Kennett, was shouting about this award then it all went a bit quiet when it was then reported that Kennett had also previously received the award some years back.
  
  Jacqui Lambie, an independent senator who has an interesting past, had the best response to this saga when she said no politician should be given these gongs – politicians are elected to do a job and they should not get these awards for just doing a very well paid job.
  
  Hard to argue with her on that!
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:06am
  - peterwn
    
    In UK gongs are handed out to public servants. Indeed there is a quota of gongs (so many knighthoods, CMG’s OBE’s etc) that are allocated to each Ministry. Refer to ‘Yes Minister’ – ‘Doing the Honours’.
    I remember there was an engineer at work who was quite adept at making applications for people to get gongs and some people he nominated were gonged (and quite deservedly) because of his efforts.
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:33pm
- softail 1450
  
  Kevn, Hold Dame Arderns Chardonnay, she got an award for completely destroying her country and then bolting for the door in search of a better life whilst leaving the smouldering remains of her country in her rear vision mirror from her 1st class seat.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:06am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Plus $20 million from Belinda Gates to ” help women”.
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:06am
    - gravedodger
      
      Any relative of Melinda, bill’s ex
      
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      June 11, 2024 2:18pm
Matt Long

In yet another example of innocent civilian hostage takers being brutally murdered by genocidal authorities, John Doe, they/them, of Florida, who identified as 200 women and children, had his brains splattered across the wall as he was going about his business of holding 2 hostages at knife point in a bank.
When will the genocide be stopped?
https://x.com/FunkerActual/status/1799933085527552224
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June 11, 2024 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  ‘At least nine people were killed and 33 injured when a bus carrying Hindu pilgrims plunged into a deep gorge after a suspected militant attack in the Indian federal territory of Jammu and Kashmir on Sunday, police said.’
  
  https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/9-killed-as-terrorists-open-fire-at-bus-carrying-pilgrims-in-j-k-124060900581_1.html
  
  Doesn’t rate a mention in our te media .
  
  Meanwhile obsess about a rich white celebrity BBC doctor on a fancy holiday in Greece . Odd how the media aren’t obsessed by his carbon footprint either.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:06am
- sirknz
  
  Guns are bad, mmmkay.
  
  – J Ardern 2018
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    HDPA said yesterday that over 50 babies and young children bashed to death in NZ since 2017 ( happy to be corrected )
    
    Also today news reports we’re top of OECD for domestic violence .
    
    But yep yep two classes of citizens . Licensed firearms owners closely monitored by the State , even if get traffic ticket ,everyone else , well not so much.
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:31am
Maggie Pie

OMG…what’s happened to Mihingarangi Forbes moko?

Surely it wasn’t just a…… TRANSFER 😀

Next thing you know, she’ll be calling herself ‘Joanna’ again

https://rnz.co.nz/media/215
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June 11, 2024 8:18am
- Muttonbird
  
  Looks like they couldn’t scrub the Māori from Mihi!
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:28am
- I remember when
  
  Perhaps she had to remove it so that viewers couldn’t see it on radio.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:30am
- G152
  
  She may have worn it out kissing up to those who matter to the media
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the saying about eyes being windows to the soul rings true here.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:33am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Looks like it was one of those ones you used to put on kiddies……They wore off in about a week.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I always thort it looked FAB on her!
    
    https://twitter.com/NZAHParallels/status/937576734303469568
    
    Nearly inspired me to get one 😎
    
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    June 11, 2024 9:01am
    - zulumonster
      
      Is she the one on the right or the left?
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:16am
- Matt Long
  
  Maybe RNZ asked her to cover it up so as not to offend their elderly viewers.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:38am
- Scott
  
  Mihingarangi Forbes (Ngāti Paoa/Ngāti Maniapoto
  
  The thing is she needs to change her name from Joanna and get a maori name and get a moko to “identify” as Maori.
  Otherwise she looks to be a blonde woman of possibly Swedish ancestry?
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:56am
  - Taieri
    
    get a moko to “identify” as Maori
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    May be her moko was just identifying as moko?
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:53am
  - kowtow
    
    With a surname like Forbes surely the tribal affiliation would / should be Haggis Mac Sporan .
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was temporary- 8 years ago !
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/78498329/mihingarangi-forbes-set-to-return-to-new-zealand-tv-screens
  
  Gosh, Maggie Pie, haven’t you been avidly following Ms Forbes all this time?
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:08am
- softail 1450
  
  MP, get with the program she sold it to the talentless diversity hire Māori Sheila on TV’s breakfast program .
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She has done that before, had it and lost it and got it back again, clearly it’s bloody transfers, making the moko bullshittery even worse
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Wow there Kimosabi, fake tattoos are surely a colonial settler innovation and as such is cultural appropriation and therefor verbotten as racist .
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I said transfers Kimosabi
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:22pm
- Red
  
  On topic, especially relating to the prison Tattoo removal cost, here is a Doco on New zealand Prison Tats..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPT1Gr_5Fsk
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:52pm
- Burtland
  
  the DEI agenda is alive and thriving at RNZ – two drongos to replace one Kim Hill
  
  seems nothings changed since Willie got the boot
  
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  June 11, 2024 1:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

From Nicole McKee’s speech in the weekend:

The latest New Zealand Crime and Victims Survey shows that Māori – more than any other ethnicity – make up a large number – of the victims of crime. We make up 37 per cent of victims. And the figure is even higher for Māori women. I believe the rights of those victims matter. That’s what I’m fighting for. So they dare not tell me that any part of ACT’s mission is anti-Māori. Not once have I heard Te Pāti Māori stand up for Māori victims of crime – for any victims of crime. Not once.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2406/S00048/nicole-mckees-speech-at-acts-change-makers-rally.htm
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June 11, 2024 8:35am
- Swifty
  
  “Not once have I heard Te Pāti Māori stand up for Māori victims of crime – for any victims of crime. Not once.”
  
  Nor I.
  
  It’s just so, so telling isn’t it?
  
  The Maori Party knows where its interests lie – being the political wing of the Tamihere empire agitating for massive government contracts for doing bugger all, under the guise, the cloak, of Maori social advancement.
  
  They have no interest in ‘fixing’ anything – quite the opposite.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Exactly. The Maori Party actively don’t want crime against Maoris to stop. If it did, they’d be out of business.
    
    Can’t have the grift stopped, you know.
    
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    June 11, 2024 7:25pm
Cantabrian

Anyone notice the problem Crown solicitors are having at the Upper House (sorry – Waitangi Tribunal) hearing into te reo? Apparently there were issues with translating and responding to evidence in te reo. One witness/claimant apparently said ‘welcome to my world ‘ (in Maori).
Arrogance in the extreme. Everybody in the room would (should) be able to converse in English. Outside the rarified air of a Waitangi hearing only a handful of citizens could present or understand a legal argument in Maori.
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June 11, 2024 8:40am
- pdm
  
  Are there any legal words in Maori?
  
  Oh yes I know two – koha and taniwha.
  
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  June 11, 2024 8:53am
- Paulus
  
  I believe I heard the other day that more people of Maori descent can speak Te Reo than Samoans proportionately do not.
  I would believe that almost all Samoan and are fully conversant in their own language from birth.
  I am sure that is not correct but that is what we get from the media.
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

From Karen Chhour’s speech in the weekend:

My four children are Maori. They are also Pakeha. And through my husband’s side, they are Cambodian. But above all, they are individual people, with unique experiences and their own perspectives on the world.

I find it offensive, and frankly racist, that anyone would put one aspect of their identity on a pedestal, above all the rest.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2406/S00049/karen-chhours-speech-at-acts-change-makers-rally.htm
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June 11, 2024 8:41am
- Muttonbird
  
  I didn’t realise Karen is Australian.
  
  It all makes sense now.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:11am
  - Grunter
    
    Why? Explain……
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So are you saying the fact that her mother is Maori doesn’t mean anything?
    
    or
    Are you denying Karen Chhour’s whakapapa, just because her mother gave birth to her out of NZ/Aotearoa?
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:36am
- Grunter
  
  She is such a good MP. There is simply no logical argument against what she is saying – only racist rants
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maybe it’s not over yet.

“On Sunday, President Donald Trump called on the Supreme Court to intervene before the sentencing date for his Manhattan falsified business documents case.”

https://pjnewsletter.com/supreme-court-shaken-by-trump/?
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June 11, 2024 8:48am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s an interesting one that probably should go to the Supreme Court.
  The question is whether a State Court has jurisdiction to charge for covering up a federal crime.
  That is the underlying “novel” legal theory that Bragg used to charge Trump.
  There is also a State “crime” (covering up an illegal act to influence an election – paying hush money isn’t illegal) which is a misdemeanor too but the jury was never required to indicate which crime Trump allegedly covered up so the Federal charges are still in play.
  
  If State courts can make an end run around Federal Courts like this it opens a huge can of worms so the Supreme Court may want to rule on the Constitutionality of it quickly.
  
  There’s also the fact that the Prosecution were not required to prove the crimes covered up or even the intent to cover them up.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Everything in the US legal system appears to be fraudulent when it suits Politically and Financially.
    So what is new ?
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Off course he e we I’ll, he’s appealing ffs
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:56am
  - Red
    
    “Off course he e we I’ll”
    I agree!
    
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    June 11, 2024 6:45pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Supremes will be loathe to take it as it will place a big target on them for Democrats to seek the destruction of the Supreme Court such as it is (they had already been muttering about packing the court with a Dem majority via increasing number of justices).
  
  But there are no shortage of mechanisms in law for Supremes to take over the case at any time they choose given all the clear constitutional breaches involved in the case – essentially expediting the appeals process against the lawfare wishes of Democrat controlled New York State.
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:06pm
Simon

DEI shithouse govt departments sell NZ out to some grifter tribalists. There is National tinkering around the edges. Clean out all the garbage. National were voted in to take out the fucking rubbish. National campaigned on this. But National aint up to it.
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June 11, 2024 8:59am
- Grunter
  
  I agree. The coalition has been a 2/10 IMO.
  
  Never waste a crisis! And this is clearly a crisis that we find ourselves in.
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:18am
- Nukuleka
  
  Large on obscenity and rant but short on facts, Simon! What on earth are you on about?
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He’s at it again, the Bars are virtually opposed to everything Labour wants, they have cut that much Labour rubbish it’s about the most I have seen changed ever, and it’s only a few months, this week they are started on the services especially health having English names
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:09am
  - Grunter
    
    Here’s some….
    1. Running deficits
    2. Borrowing more money
    3. Tax bracket creep 2025-2028 (increase taxes)
    4. Continue Global Boiling nonsense
    5. School lunches $478 million pa
    6. All the race based (racist)Ministries continue, as well as Ministry for women (sexist waste of money)
    7. Ministry of Education bloat not dealt to
    8. No asset sales
    9. TVNZ left to spew out leftist BS
    
    Feel free to add to the list
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:19am
- Ghost
  
  National are doing what they campaigned on.
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:25am
  - Grunter
    
    They did NOT campaign on spending more than Labour and running deficits thru to 2028
    
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    June 11, 2024 12:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      The books are in a mess, more than anyone realised when it become obvious what grant and the ministers had done with funding. Government is going to have to spend to get the country back on track and to fix all the issues that were left to grow. Where do you want to cut further funding? Health? Education? Military? Police? Many people didn’t want to go without their tax cut.
      
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      June 11, 2024 12:10pm
      - Taieri
        
        Where do you want to cut further funding? Health? Education? Military? Police?
        ————-
        
        Get rid of the remaining quangos. Audit the government funded pseudo-charities. That’s just for a start…
        
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        June 11, 2024 1:04pm
      - Grunter
        
        The problem is the Govt is too large. Spending more means Govt gets even bigger. Plenty of areas can be cut with the excuse that the books are a bigger mess than expected.
        
        Return back to 2017 levels for all Govt Depts is a decent start. Sell assets like Landcorp. I suggested a list in my previous comment.
        
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        June 11, 2024 3:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        We shouldn’t be selling assets. Departments are not going to go back to a time when the population was smaller.
        
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        June 11, 2024 4:35pm
    - leoj
      
      They did campaign on the nonsense of maori names for govt departments but, as is normal for the namby-pambys, they have done nothing.
      
      Luxon, the weak, has no spine to stand up to the mob. Way too scared of the word “racist”.
      
      The Nats are gutless. Peters and Seymour need to hold them over a barrel.
      
      I am all for a snap election. More ACT and NZ First MPs. Nats need a wake up.
      
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      June 11, 2024 1:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        How old are you? You are like an a immature little child, luxon the weak, has no spine, grow up.
        
        Department names are being changed. I was surprised at how fast the Māori was removed from our hospitals signs
        
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        June 11, 2024 4:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Look at the breakdown, much of Nats is for 4 years, for instance the 18 billion on health is for 4 years, Labours is one year to try and make the borrowing look smaller
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:25pm
Damocles11

Paul Henry has written that Stuff will “rue” the 6pm news deal with TV3. It’s on the marxist Herald and behind the paywall, but the thrust is that Stuff and TVNZ have had a content sharing deal and that seems to have come to an end as a result of the 6pm news deal.
Doubts remain as to the quality of the news programme Stuff will produce; only a few weeks to go until they have to front up.
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June 11, 2024 9:09am
- MCōs
  
  Translation
  He applied for a job and they laughed
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:42am
Maggie Pie

Stuff reports….
Prime Minister Chris Luxon announces Public Service Commission
inquiry into Census data allegations kinked to Te Pati Maori.
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“This could be the biggest cover-up in New Zealand Political history.
Te Pati Maori should be stood down during this investigation”

– Bishop Brian Tamaki (The Platform)

WATCH

https://x.com/nz_media_watch/status/1799956938345844845
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June 11, 2024 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why has this taken so long? Brian Tamaki reported it last October.
  Obvious the media are silencing this. Who at TVNZ? Who in the Police?
  Te Pati Maori riding for a fall?
  
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  June 11, 2024 9:57am
  - GJM
    
    It only beccame news since Labour lost the seat by 42 votes so they have become a bit septic about it. If they hadn’t raised a fuss, nothing would happen and certainly Te Media Paarty wouldn’t have reported it. Even then, they have been busy brushing it away and burying it.
    
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    June 11, 2024 10:00am
    - Ruawai
      
      Labour also created this problem being so lose with case from Government departments to Maori and gang charities.
      
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      June 11, 2024 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Why weren’t the relevant ministers,especially Luxon, informed?
    If they were informed and did nothing then we could see a whitewash.
    There seem to be many ministries involved and none seems keen on seeing the swamp drained.
    
    Corruption by ministries may not be monetary, ideology is their currency.
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Looks like the leftie ministry’s are in it up to their necks
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Unfortunately, Our Prime Minister Is An Activist (Part 5)

Rongoa? WTF? Is NZ going backwards? Why bring this back?
Maorification is going full speed.
Since 2000 ACC has had 10,000 claims! Ten thousand! A racket.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/unfortunately-our-prime-minister-is-an-activist-part-5/?
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June 11, 2024 9:47am
Sparrow

It’s a foregone conclusion. A Claytons from all the investigations into the Māori Party. Sure some lowly public servant will get their knuckles wrapped for releasing info. Māori Party will be exonerated as did not understand colonial rules applied to them.. Its pre ordained whitewash. All politicians want this to dissappear. Get over it.
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June 11, 2024 9:54am
Maggie Pie

FROM HANSARD 🙁

New Te-Maori-Pardy member Rawiri Maipi-Clarke, abuses and insults our greatest and most revered Maori MP ever, Winston Peters, after rising to speak in The House.
Telling him 3 times…”Your Maori blood is wasted”

https://x.com/CranmerWrites/status/1799988521220161899

Lots of people are asking how does Gerry just sit there with a vacant look on his face
and allow the nasty little b*tch to get away with this type of behaviour?
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June 11, 2024 10:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Brownie is meant to be impartial, but he should call it out
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:12am
  - rouppe
    
    Being impartial doesn’t mean being silent on statements criticising one’s racial identity.
    
    Imaging someone saying Ricardo’s Mexican bloos is wasted. There’d be outrage
    
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    June 11, 2024 11:35am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Did you read my whole post?
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:26pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Hmmmm! Well he did have a cosy little coffee with Golriz.
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:19pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Pretty sure he has to look into her wellbeing,
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:27pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  How much blood one way or another does she have?
  
  Arrogance and averice seem to be the defining points of the party that say they represent maori.
  
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  June 11, 2024 10:17am
- Tom Barker
  
  You may consider Winston “our greatest and most revered Maori MP ever, ” but you will be almost alone in that opinion. He doesn’t speak Maori and is a midget (in every way) by comparison with Sir Apirana Ngata and many of his predecessors.
  
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  June 11, 2024 1:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    How did the Greens do in the latest Elections in Europe?
    LOL
    
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    June 11, 2024 3:24pm
Maggie Pie

KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY

Had a little smirk to myself when a bestie txt this link from ‘The Herald’.
We’d heard about JT’s older brother, but didn’t know he had a younger one….

https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/allegation-a-strain-for-tamiheres/5SALDGFJ3SM3UBZJTWA7OSCRBA/
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June 11, 2024 10:54am
- Notsofast
  
  Staying with the facts, David Tamihere did not kill the Swedes, he never met them, but he was on the run for a sex crime in Avondale.
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh OK. We didn’t realise he’d been aquitted.
    Do you have a link to the CoA decision?
    
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    June 11, 2024 1:22pm
    - Notsofast
      
      No.
      Decision not out, but blind Freddie knows his alibi.
      It is too great an effort helping out with crime solutions on KB.
      
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      June 11, 2024 3:53pm
Sparrow

Wow Tova has smelt the wind. Suddenly found some guts to become a proper journalist. Praising Luxon and criticising the Māori Party. Maybe it might not be whitewash
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June 11, 2024 11:00am
- kowtow
  
  The old saying ” run with the hares and hunt with the hounds” comes to mind.
  
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  June 11, 2024 11:40am
- Notsofast
  
  Eventually people grow up.
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:43pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because she is in on Labours hit job too destroy the TPM, Hipkins complained at election time, but has complained further, they would love TPM to be wiped out and they think the votes would come straight to them
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:29pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Vance may get stuck into TPM, but Labour, never.
  
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  June 11, 2024 7:31pm
Muttonbird

Oh dear. Simeon Brown throwing the cash around on consultants for his pet project.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nearly-1m-spent-on-consultant-fees-to-investigate-wellingtons-long-tunnel/4HO5TDDRNZFP5PL7LIV4LSX6AQ/

Where is the [Mod – use correct names] Union on this?
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June 11, 2024 11:08am
- Bevan
  
  Shock horror! $1M spent on [gasp!] Consultants !!!!! Oh the huge manitee!!!
  
  Seriously? An engineering project of this size and they have only spent $1M investigating so far? If that’s the case, its a credit to Simoen Brown
  
  You wait to they get to the design stage, I suggest you will need to prepare yourself lest your poor heart cant take it.
  
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  June 11, 2024 11:40am
  - Taieri
    
    An engineering project of this size and they have only spent $1M investigating so far?
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    Not much. Considering that Dunedin City Council spent $600K on 3 see-saws.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/design-issue-dccs-600k-seesaws-break-down
    
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    June 11, 2024 12:56pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I am guessing you were really pissy about the Light rail and the cycle bridge consultancy costs then? Then again maybe the $52M on that cycle bridge might have purchased some cancer drugs……………
  
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  June 11, 2024 11:56am
- mogg
  
  He’s got a lot to learn, Auckland light rail project was squandering $1.200000 every week on consultants, and the end result was sweet FA.
  
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  June 11, 2024 1:27pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Remember the bike bridge…$51 million.
  
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  June 11, 2024 2:33pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bob, some very wealthy consultants came about using that borrowed money. Inner city restaurants and bars were buzzing.
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:45pm
- Swifty
  
  Labour literally pissed away billion of New Zealander’s hard earned cash on projects that didn’t end up going anywhere and we didn’t hear a peep out of ol’ Mutton.
  
  Quite disgraceful really.
  
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  June 11, 2024 2:36pm
- MCōs
  
  There are two or three ministries in recent NZ cabinets that seem beyond the awesome intellectual requirements of any of our elected representatives
  They include Health, Education and Transport
  I’m all for progress to ease traffic congestion, but a tunnel from the CBD to Kilbirnie with no access speaks of the naïveté we’ve seen a bit lately from Transport Ministers
  Where’s the permanent solution to the Brynderwyn fiasco or the Ashburton River bridge or the Wellsford bypass and so on?
  
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  June 11, 2024 3:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Surely those things are the responsibility of the ‘awesome intellect’ within those Ministries?
    Not the Minister
    
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    June 11, 2024 3:36pm
    - MCōs
      
      So you’re saying someone within NZTA convinced Minister Browne a road tunnel across central Wellington was worth chucking $1.5mil at, out of the blue?
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘so you’re saying’ is the refuge of those with no point to make
        Oh wait
        
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        June 11, 2024 5:24pm
      - Mike
        
        While All_on_Red ducks the question more simply.
        
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        June 11, 2024 5:40pm
      - Mike
        
        Almost alone in calling out your bullshit.
        
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        June 11, 2024 6:21pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They never said consultants would be completely done away with, they cut 1.2 billion of the spend, surely if they designed a highway they need a consultant
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:31pm
NothingLeft

Ex Open AI employee gives long detailed explanation of current AI trends and why he sees vastly superior superintelligence, ‘the singularity’ coming before end of decade:
https://situational-awareness.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/situationalawareness.pdf

He’s not a doomer, but is very worried about our chances if AI safety+alignment (of values with humans) isn’t given vastly more focus.

All assumptions and norms about how the world+economics works are about to fail. It’s going to be apocalyptically disruptive to everyone’s existence.
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June 11, 2024 11:52am
- cmm
  
  Sure, being inside an industry gives you some insights that people outside of the industry don’t have.
  
  But there is also the effect that those inside an industry over-hype the power of those technologies.
  
  We’re miles away from “super intelligence” or “singularity” or such, but you really don’t need much intelligence to get rid of millions of jobs.
  
  Heck, you don’t even need this AI stuff at all. As control systems (AI or not) become more capable and cheaper, and minimum wages go up, those lower end jobs in particular get replaced.
  
  We’re now at the stage where a 32-bit 100+MHz microcontroller costs less than 10 cents. There is no cost barrier to computation.
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:42pm
cmm

Deadly virus coming…

Please, please, please Cindy, we love you again…
Come back and save our 80,000 grannies!!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mpi-to-research-deadly-virus-that-poses-increasing-threat-to-nz/RJURCDLHRRFDZHBVBHDYKYU76Y/
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June 11, 2024 12:37pm
Muttonbird

There’s a real dog-ate-my-homework feel about Chris Luxon’s claim he didn’t know about Australia’s change to deportation rules.

He comes across as an incredibly weak PM for just shrugging and saying he can’t do anything about it. Australia knows he’s a weak PM which is why they did it.
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June 11, 2024 12:37pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You do understand they have reneged on their deal? Speaking of weak, just think about the previous two pms and see weak
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:33pm
Maggie Pie

Last week there was a post on GD about… ‘Captain Underpants’ 😀
Looks like this is him being interviewed by Guyon Espiner. Hmmm.

http://x.com/ElliotIkilei/status/1799409936310612396
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June 11, 2024 12:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “No, no, no, no, Yes.”
  
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  June 11, 2024 12:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    If silly old Tuku had his way, he’d be wearing indigenous flax undies…not silk 😀
    
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    June 11, 2024 1:09pm
    - newview
      
      Mmm Maggie Tuku gave me the feeling he liked the royal fabric around his bits. Sort of privileged. The thought of getting his bits caught in a flax seam may have been the decider.
      
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      June 11, 2024 4:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hahahahaha!
    
    Indeed.
    
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    June 11, 2024 2:30pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  He said the quiet thing out loud.
  
  The cat is now out of its bag.
  
  Distibute the word of Tuku across the nation for all to behold.
  
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  June 11, 2024 1:04pm
softail 1450

What do you say to a begger from the St John’s ambulance organization when they ring and give a speel about the service without mentioning “Hone Hato” at all ? I asked why they aren’t including that bastardisation of the title and she said it upset to many people who won’t donate, wow isn’t that great they’ll insist on the use of the Maori translation until it comes to asking the majority of people for cash
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June 11, 2024 2:39pm
- Damocles11
  
  Why do they compromise their principles like that? They should be up front: “Hi, I’m from Hato Hone Saint Johne and we’d like some money please”. Be proud of your woke name!
  
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  June 11, 2024 5:18pm
Maggie Pie

‘X’ TRENDING just reminded me.

When I first met my partner, we’d often park up in Queen Street after a boozy lunch
and play ‘Spot-the-Wig’. First to 3 paid for dinner.
Actually, I was quite good at it, cos my mum & dad used to do the same thing with me when I was child.

Anyway, can I just say I’ve spotted another real beauty 😀
And it’s even more obvious than the ridiculous Toupee worn by that murdering-pedo Philip John Smith, when he fled police for South America!

See if you can pick it….

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1799888399735611676
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June 11, 2024 2:50pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Is that his Mum?
  
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  June 11, 2024 3:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    If some of the “comments” are anyting to go by… probably not 😀
    
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    June 11, 2024 3:32pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    No his wife. He married a teacher at his school and has step daughters older than him.
    
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    June 11, 2024 4:15pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    No, it’s his former teacher who allegedly groomed him while he was still at school.
    
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    June 11, 2024 4:33pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I know its not his mum…
    
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    June 11, 2024 5:23pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Isn’t that wossername from Coronation St?
  
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  June 11, 2024 7:35pm
Muttonbird

Didn’t Simon Bridges once say he’d quit if National went below 35%?

Sadly, Simon didn’t get the chance to quit, lol, but we now have Chris Luxon flirting dangerously with the 35% mark!

The latest Taxpayers’ Union Curia poll put National down 1.9 points on last month to 35.4 percent.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/519243/opposition-makes-gains-in-new-political-poll

Will Luxon offer to quit too? It’s the only honourable thing to do.
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- mandk
  
  Why would it be honourable?
  
  Luxon has a job to do, i.e. repairing the mess in which Labour left the country.
  
  Besides, all the polls are indicating now is that voters feel grumpy. But that doesn’t mean they would actually vote Labour back into power.
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:51pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Conflation is a lazy arguement. Luxon is not Bridges like Hipkins isn’t (yet) like the runaway bride.
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:54pm
- Taieri
  
  It’s the only honourable thing to do.
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  Why?
  
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  June 11, 2024 6:47pm
- Ghost
  
  So what you are saying is that if you don’t get 35% upvotes you will leave kiwiblog? Sounds like a reasonable deal
  
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  June 11, 2024 6:56pm
Muttonbird

Incredibly, if you add up the net favourability of the PM and his two deputies, ie the three leaders of the coalition of chaos, you get -42% net favourability!

That is astoundingly unpopular for a sitting government.*

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has been dealt a blow in the favourability stakes, with his net favourability down to -5 per cent.

Act leader David Seymour’s net favourability fell 11 points to -18 per cent and NZ First leader Winston Peters’ net favourability fell 14 points to -19 per cent.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/voters-ditch-national-after-budget-chris-hipkins-pulls-ahead-of-christopher-luxon/U5PIIXLKMRAQBKMLDRNCVH6XKI/

*Not sitting for much longer, you would think.
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June 11, 2024 3:06pm
- BananaLlama
  
  lol are you going to keep Chris Hipkins on and run him against Luxon are you? very funny, made me laugh at the thought have an uptick.
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:46pm
- Damocles11
  
  Everybody hates the Coalition according to you and the marxist Herald….yet they’d win the election with 63 seats and consign the leftist rabble to another 3 years in opposition. So make that make sense!
  The fact that anybody at all would vote for the 3 appalling opposition parties is a sad indictment on our education system and the hand-wringing bludger mentality that has become such a sad feature of our nation.
  
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  June 11, 2024 5:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    Muttonbird’s innumerate, mixing statistics as different as oranges and apples.
    
    Such Leftist muddling led Robertson and the RBNZ’s Orr to print tens of billions of dollars, Social Credit style, during Covid.
    
    Robertson’s team issued bonds, Orr’s team bought them: State seller, State buyer. Orr’s team then sold them on to the private sector, no doubt at a discount. The private buyers’ purchase payments blew out the money supply.
    
    That caused the inflation still hurting New Zealand.
    
    You’re in the right party, Muttonbird. The one where zero plus zero equals 50 billion magic dollars.
    
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    June 11, 2024 8:44pm
Country Air Ian.

Talking about misinformation and disinformation.

We should all be advising MSM, government departments and Parliament that they should be more accurate when reporting on “”Māori””

More correctly they should say Part Maori, or Identifying as Maori.

eg Willie Jackosn – Identifying as Maori
Winston Peters – Part Maori
John Tamahere – Part Maori

Why the difference to Willie, a long ancestry of NON Maori..
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June 11, 2024 4:42pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Willie is more Asian and Ashkenazic and much, much less polynesian.
  
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  June 11, 2024 4:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Williie is 25% Jew according to his DNA test.
    Yet still admits to having a ‘pro-Palistinan’ bias.
    People with knowledge of the matter who wish to remain anon,
    reckon he’s likely to jump over to TPM before the next election.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    June 11, 2024 5:16pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Problem is he will have to be gifted a seat. They have an overhang at the moment and there isn’t a chance of a list seat unless the list vote gets above 6%
      
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      June 11, 2024 8:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Unfortunately, Our Prime Minister Is An Activist (Part 6)

Chris Luxon is a NINO. National in Name only.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/unfortunately-our-prime-minister-is-an-activist-part-6/?
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June 11, 2024 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best I re-post at 8am in the morning. There are reasons for doing this.
  
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  June 11, 2024 5:40pm
- Mike
  
  Would you prefer him to be inactive?
  
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  June 11, 2024 5:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would prefer him to join Te Pati Maori.
    
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    June 12, 2024 7:37am
Red

Does nuclear power have a future in Australia?
(If it does, there is a future in New Zealand as well.)
These numbers will help cut through the debate…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-11/nuclear-power-for-australia-cost-and-timelines-explained/103641602
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June 11, 2024 7:21pm
goNZ1

Paterson said he has sold seven similar properties this year and four of those clients are not only moving

“They’re taking about $50 million worth of equity out of our economy and taking it to the Australian economy,” he said.

The tipping point has arrived…

“Their long-term plan is to actually shut their companies down here, so we’ll see some of those companies close.”
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June 11, 2024 7:53pm
Red

New video footage provided to House Republicans reveals then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) admitting responsibility for not having the National Guard protect the Capitol building ahead of protests on January 6, 2021.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/06/10/watch-unaired-video-shows-nancy-pelosi-admitting-responsibility-for-not-having-national-guard-at-capitol/
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June 11, 2024 10:51pm
Red

As it happened. The reality, not the fiction in our media. Israeli Hostages Freed Under Heavy Fire in Gaza.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/06/10/watch-israeli-hostages-freed-under-heavy-fire-in-gaza/
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June 12, 2024 1:59am
NothingLeft

USA cost annual costs per prisoner by state: https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Prisoner_Site_jpg_92.jpg?itok=yFAvPS9C

Many US states cost ~$25-$35k/year. NZ costs ~$150k/year.
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