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Chuck Bird

Hosking thinks Luxon should grow a pair.
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October 18, 2024 8:04am
- Simon
  
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  Luxon should be replaced. Everyone is happy with National in govt instead of Labo. But Luxon should go. Take Collins and Bishop with him.
  
  National to clean out all the dead wood.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:09am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And who are the three that you have identified will replace the three you state need to be replaced.
    
    And specifically, who do you think should be the new PM?
    
    Getting rid of these three, regardless of how poor you thing they are performing, will leave National rudderless. Especially as Labour abandoned ship in 20m high waves, with the ship leaking faster than the bilge pumps can cope.
    
    With Labor having left an eye watering amount of debt and chaos , that would turn most peoples stomach, who in National are you suggesting has the experience and fortitude to take over.
    
    And especially remembering that said person has to focus on leading and not holding any significant portfolios.
    
    So who is the new PM in your eyes? And who are the two stepping up to the plate to replace Collins and Bishop in their respective by-elections if they get tossed? Remember, they are not list members, they were elected.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:00am
- pdm
  
  So true Chuck.
  
  Luxon could have fixed the Solicitor General problem on Monday – yet it took Judith Collins this morning to do his job for him.
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/10/18/judith-collins-pins-the-solicitor-general-to-the-sightscreen-pm-luxon-should-have-done-so-monday/
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:13am
  - NK
    
    The solicitor general guidelines are a Trojan Horse in many ways: see Lincoln v Attorney-General [2024] NZCA 515.
    
    Trojan Horse for what you ask?
    
    For Maori to challenge prosecutions through judicial review applications based on race/tikanga.
    
    I personally waned Luxon 15 months ago this is where this was heading, he said Paul Goldmsith would look into it.
    
    Crickets.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:14am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      Chris Trotter nails it in an exceptionally eloquent & insightful article “Are we the baddies?”. He compares the two sides of the decolonisation/equality conversation with the North/South in the American Civil War.
      
      “When will the partisans of decolonisation and indigenisation finally notice the death’s head on their caps?”
      
      https://democracyproject.substack.com/p/are-we-the-baddies
      
      PS: for those too young for the reference https://youtu.be/h242eDB84zY?si=D6T66uAE6n1sMyUf
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:45am
      - Jinky
        
        I don’t often agree with Trotter but he nailed it in this article
        
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        October 18, 2024 1:19pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Unless I’m mistaken, Luxon’s job is to manage everyone else. It it Judith Collins portfolio, as Attorney-General to take action.
    
    It is NOT Luxon’s job to micromanage. It is his job, as leader, to empower those whom he manages to take responsibility, make decisions, and take action.
    
    Micromanagement is the hallmark of a dictator.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:06am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember all Ardern did was micro manage everything – look at the product !
      
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      October 18, 2024 3:00pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        “I have an interest in Ihumatao”.
        
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        October 18, 2024 5:30pm
    - leoj
      
      Solicitor Gen answerable to Attorney Gen who is answerable to the PM.
      
      The buck stops there but Luxon is simply chicken and is shit scared to be labelled a racist.
      
      He is, indeed, a maori activist and maori sympathiser.
      
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      October 18, 2024 5:09pm
  - AitchW
    
    Surely as Attorney General it’s her job? Why would Luxon do her job for her?
    Would you not then accuse him of micromanagement?
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:00pm
  - peterwn
    
    It was not his job to intervene directly. Also there was no particular hurry with sorting this out. Judith like any good Minister needed to take a bit of time out before acting.
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:21pm
    - JJ56
      
      Seems to be sorted if ACT is to be believed https://www.act.org.nz/act_welcomes_withdrawal_of_prosecution_guidelines_after_pressure
      
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      October 18, 2024 6:40pm
- gorse
  
  And Hipkins thinks Ardern is a uniting force. Not reading the room. The most divisive person ever to be inflicted upon the country
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:16am
  - NothingLeft
    
    no. Muldoon was similarly bad, and also very damaging with his big-govt overreach.
    
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    October 18, 2024 11:41am
    - peterwn
      
      There would be a world of difference between the two with leadership style. Rob Muldoon mostly got things done and had good control of his government until Marilyn Waring stood up to him. Admittedly he was in a corner with the preparation of the 1984 budget (he was also Finance Minister) as he had run out of options acceptable to him.
      Jacinda had little control over her Ministers and did not have a clue about finances.
      Chris Luxon has demonstrated outstanding people skills (he successfully got a coalition together and running), a good manager and has a sound understanding of financials. OK, he has chosen to take a soft stand on some matters but I would argue he knows what he is doing.
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:35pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Muldoon put the country into financial strife. Ardern went two steps further and set us against each other and tried to initiate co-governance. I’d also say at least Muldoon delivered infrastructure with his spend. Ardern … nothing.
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:35pm
      - peterwn
        
        For example there were various Clyde Dam options, from lesser impact on environment but with lower output and storage to high impact but with high output and storage. Officials went for one of the lower output options, but Rob thought that they were overly concerned and took a higher output option to Cabinet – and that what was built without any significant hitches, and is still running sweetly today.
        
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        October 18, 2024 5:11pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I have obviously only read about Muldoon. He certainly inflicted damage. He had regulated the economy into a moribund mess. However, arguably that was easier to fix than the mess that we have now. Also, at least Muldoon seems to have delivered some infrastructure – eg. hydro dams – in exchange for the debt. In contrast, Jacinda left a whole lot of nothing. It was the political equivalent of someone borrowing a packet, and blowing it on parties and hookers. With the inevitable hangover. 🙂
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:50pm
      - CJames
        
        Wasn’t there a line about when someone asked where a formerly rich person’s money had gone, the apocryphal answer was “fast women, slow horses and the rest I wasted. “
        
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        October 18, 2024 5:12pm
      - peterwn
        
        Nothing wrong with borrowing money to build a hydro dam. The four gentailers do all their new works on borrowing together with some retained profits. Lenders are quite happy to lend the money because they know they will get their interest on time and will get their capital back as the loans mature. Indeed they will often roll the money into new loans.
        
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        October 18, 2024 6:18pm
  - peterwn
    
    It would be fairly obvious that he is setting her up to be Governor General in due course. Kindness would be a positive attribute for that job. The only way it could come unstuck if there was any issue where the GG needed to use ‘reserve’ powers. There is no *REAL* job she is suited for but there would be some un-jobs where she could be fitted in.
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:25pm
    - AitchW
      
      She will never be GG because she will never return to NZ to live.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:39pm
    - Ghost
      
      And yet, with no real job she is suited to, she is overseas earning a fortune.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:41pm
      - AitchW
        
        The world still believes in the version of Ardern the media created, kind and…er,um…kind.
        And now she’s a dame too!
        
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        October 19, 2024 1:57am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And Hipkins thinks Ardern is a uniting force.
    
    Uniting the forces of darkness.
    
    Not reading the room.
    
    Instead reading the Communist Manifesto.
    
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    October 18, 2024 2:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon is a Maori activist. That is why he did nothing. Leave it for someone else to do so you don’t get your hands dirty.
  Great Leadership.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:21am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Steve the broken record. I’d say Luxon can’t give a straightforward answer to a novel question because first he needs to ask the CEO’s what they want him to do. And the CEO’s are pretty woke these days.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Broken record, I don’t care.
      When will Luxon ask these CEOs? Never. As Hosking says, he has not got the balls.
      
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      October 18, 2024 12:03pm
  - Scott
    
    No, Luxon shouldn’t resign. No, Luxon is not a Maori activist.
    
    Sometimes the mentality of some of the commenter here is a worry. The problem is not Luxon.
    
    The problem for this govt and their direction is the people in the govt ministries, in the public sector, in the media, who don’t agree with their agenda.
    
    It is clear that the govt wants one NZ with the same rights for all. However the solicitor General was appointed in 2016 and obviously has not got the memo.
    
    What the govt needs to do is keep pushing in the same direction. Make sure they communicate clearly and with empathy and look to persuade hearts and minds. That’ll take time. As we know, Rome wasn’t built in a day.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:53am
    - leoj
      
      Govt moving way too slowly to turn around the maori influence and hold on govt.
      
      Having maori everything rammed down our throats is THE major problem but the namby-pamby Nats are too gutless to recognise it.
      
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      October 18, 2024 5:12pm
Yvette

Hikoi mō Te Tiriti: 10 – 18 November . Te Rerenga Wairua ki Te Ūpoko o Te Ika
Kōtahitanga mō Te Tiriti: 19 November . Whakaeke ki Pāremata
https://www.instagram.com/p/DBHUnZCyOv_/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=f993732c-efe7-4a51-8b47-695475ec6d2f

Google Translate –
Walk for the Street: 10 – 18 November. The Spiritual Flight to the Point of the Fish
Union for the Treaty: 19 November . Attack (or assault) on Parliament

The hīkoi was the latest activation event organised by the group Toitū Te Tiriti. They have led a number of events over the year in response to Government policies that impact Māori, including discouraging te reo use in the public sector, section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki act, Three Waters bill, Māori wards, the disestablishment of the Māori Health Authority, the Marine and Coastal Area legislation (often mentioned as the Foreshore and Seabed) and Act’s Treaty Principles Bill.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/15/toitu-te-tiriti-week-long-hikoi-announced-for-november/.

I trust that this time, when 50,000 protesters arrive at Parliament, a delegation of leaders will be permitted to enter Parliament (in a safe manner) to meet with appropriate officials to present their motives for the hikoi, unlike the previous protest which was observed from on high to be just “the rivers of filth”.

Rather than the somewhat impromptu imitation of the Canadian Truck Convoys, Parliament is adequately warned this lot are coming. While David Seymour and Winston did met protesters last time, representatives for them and Luxon should probably met inside Parliament this time.

“I feel really humbled by the chance to be here with my family and really I see it as an acknowledgement of them and of every person I worked with, and of every person whose supported me and that includes a very large number of New Zealanders”
Oops, sorry – that was something else.
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October 18, 2024 8:06am
- pdm
  
  Yvette based on my interpretation of what you say these people are away from work a lot.
  
  I hope taxpayers are not paying them in any way.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:33am
- PaulP
  
  I overheard one of the hikoi organisers talking very loudly on a zoom call, ’cause important, in the Auckland Koru lounge a few weeks back.
  
  So funny that her main focus was on who was going to mihi and karakia at the organising meeting (not the actual hikoi). The others seemed to want to talk about actually organising the hikoi but she was louder!
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:38am
Cassandra

Word salad, hypocrisy, BS or a combination of all three? Republican Dame Jacinda Ardern quoted in The Telegraph this morning after her award of the NZoM by Prince William: “For me this is a way to say thank you – to my family, to my colleagues, and to the people who supported me to take on the most challenging and rewarding role of my life.” Quite how being made a Dame thanks anyone is not explained.
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October 18, 2024 8:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Damned, not Damed
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:10am
- cmm
  
  It is fake humility.
  
  “I don’t accept this for myself, but accept this on behalf of all the people who can’t be here..” That kind of bullshit.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:11am
- pdm
  
  Cass I wish to place on record that mrspdm and I were not supporters of Prime Minister Ardern at any time during her tenure.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:16am
  - Cassandra
    
    That’s good to know, pdm. I doubt anyone commenting on this blog, even Mike, didn’t see through her. She was and is a total fake.
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:22am
  - OlderChas
    
    And neither were I nor Mrs Older!
    
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    October 19, 2024 10:19am
- redeye
  
  The hypocrisy of a republican socialist, who believes climate change is their generations nuclear moment, flying to the other side of the world to collect her gong is just extraordinary.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Look some 53% of the voters voted for her, and many of the female variety still would vote for her again.
    We never voted for her !
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:49am
    - PurplePen
      
      Friend’s daughter voted for her because she thought she was nice. Oh well.
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:56pm
- David Garrett
  
  Cass: you need to understand that Dame Cindy is not the sharpest tool in the shed
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:29am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Oh but she got straight A’s at uni! Well, straight A’s in Media Studies, or something similar.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    No she is sharp, just not the way we think.
    
    Backstabbing and cutting people down requires a sharp blade.
    
    Dumb people are incapable of following instructions, and she has moved forward her given tyranny, dismantling of democracy, and de-population agendas with precision.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is nauseating. She is telling folk that she is on a mission “to spread a little kindness”. 😩
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/jacinda-ardern-hopes-to-spread-a-little-kindness-as-she-is-made-a-dame
  
  IMO she damn near ruined the country. It remains debatable whether the country will ever recover.
  
  Then there were the tens of thousands of citizens locked out of the country, many facing heartache and hardship. The “two classes of citizen”, which she celebrated on camera.
  
  She is now on a mission to extract as much money as she can from the woke rich folk in the northern hemisphere. I don’t know where she will go when that gig runs out of steam. At least in the next decade, she could not live in New Zealand without 24/7 security.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    “IMO she damn near ruined the country.”
    
    Naah, she’s too stupid and ineffective to ruin anything herself.
    
    But she did enable a bunch of power freaks who did try to ruin the country.
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:38am
    - imalwaysright
      
      “But she did enable a bunch of power freaks…”
      
      Correct. No one is that incompetent, even a total idiot will get something right sooner or later.
      She was the sales rep for a regime that planned to weaken NZ economically and socially.
      They, unfortunately, did a brilliant job.
      
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      October 18, 2024 8:58am
      - Flossie
        
        Oops sorry. Accidentally ticked report
        
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        October 18, 2024 9:46am
      - PurplePen
        
        Do you think anyone would set out to ruin a 1st world country economically and socially. To what end, and even to what end for their own selves. It can’t only be that they thought they were doing right in some perverse way. Never again tho.
        
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        October 18, 2024 2:00pm
    - Flossie
      
      For me the main sadness was that we were not allowed to be with the dying, or have funerals as we know them.
      
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      October 18, 2024 10:42am
  - mandk
    
    “Spreading a little kindness” is nauseating, coming from someone who was divisive, cruel and vindictive.
    
    I will never forget the way her body language revealed her underlying glee when she declared that people who didn’t have the vaxx were, in effect, second class citizens.
    
    “Odious” doesn’t begin to describe her.
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:56am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep Ben, I’m not sure you can conflate kindness to leaving a country in an overall worse state when you finished, to when you started. New Zealand, as a country, and every single one of the people in it, is poorer for her contribution. When I say “poorer”, that is not just in terms of wealth. The country is more divided, more polarised, less community minded and less educated among other things. Maybe her family can find some redeeming feature of her tenure. But I’d suggest they would be being generous.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:25am
  - Philview
    
    ‘Whether the country will recover’. I suspect the media will succeed in removing the current government. I can imagine a radical left government coming our way that will make Ardern and Co look like moderates.
    
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    October 18, 2024 11:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” New Zealand order of merit, for services to the state.”
  Really? Running our lovely Country into the ground was not a service we desired.
  Evil, disgusting person.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:31am
  - cmm
    
    Service to the state, and state players, would be accurate.
    
    Service to the people who are supposed to be served by the state (ie. the citizens). Not.
    
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    October 18, 2024 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fuck, I never got any gong for my services in my work, why should she?
      
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      October 18, 2024 3:39pm
- AitchW
  
  Hipkins wants us to use Ardern to promote NZ overseas. (For ‘use’ read ‘pay’).
  The world loves her now, but eventually the world will realise that she and her government wrecked this country in just 6 years and anything she says will be ignored .
  Do we want someone we know is about to be discredited representing us? The answer is a resounding NO!
  
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  October 18, 2024 1:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She has been paid over 10 times more that she should have been.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:40pm
artemisia

Most fast-track panellists picked by ministers, political parties

“Most members of the fast-track independent advisory group were put forward by ministers and political parties, not government agencies….. Government agencies put forward a list of 14 names for consideration. Twelve of the 14 nominees were rejected.”

Well known advocates of independence and following the science, Green Party and Aotearoa 350, not happy that only 2 of the 14 agency nominees were selected. Of course there are only 6 members of the panel so most nominees from agencies were going to be rejected anyway.

I wonder if the requirement to be ‘independent’ might have been an assessment factor resulting in only 2 agency nominees being selected. Ministers will never say publicly but they could mention they chose the best people for the job. And leave that for the other 12 agency nominees to ponder.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/531125/most-fast-track-panellists-picked-by-ministers-political-parties
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October 18, 2024 8:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Like the next climate change commissioner will be independent.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Who is it? I have not seen any reports.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:49am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      He or she has not been announced AFAIK.
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:41am
- gryfon
  
  Quelle surprise! The blob demonstrates a complete inability to deliver, then the blob surrogates complain when the blob is sidelined….
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:29am
- AitchW
  
  Why would you pick public servants from and openly hostile service to work on a fast track programme that they are totally opposed to?
  Surely you need people who are supportive of the fast tracking in principle?
  Can you imagine a greenie on the committee? Fast anything is anathema to them, everything has to be talked to death, then mired in consultation.
  
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  October 18, 2024 1:07pm
  - PurplePen
    
    That’s an issue. What’s to stop the next left govt filling up the committee with their chosen ones. I can only hope that the govt gets so many projects approved and under way that any next projects are 10 years out before they can start.
    
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    October 18, 2024 2:05pm
    - AitchW
      
      Correct me if I’m wrong, but the fast track legislation has a short finite life and will be done before the next government of wreckers and wasters.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:42pm
Simon

Tana refers to herself as They/Them. Good move. A variation of the sovereign citizen play.

Tana should refuse to recognize the authority used to have her removed. Dropping a few random Maori words will also help.

The Gweens are removing the person Tana from parliament. But not the individual who is also known as Tana who has the added protection of They/Them. Also the settlor and agent of They/Them Tana has been overlooked by the Gweens.

The sovereign citizen individual known as Tana has outflanked the Gweens. The speaker will have no option the individual, agent and settlor known as Tana will get to stay on.
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October 18, 2024 8:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Auckland Transport are on the ball. They say by the end of the year you will be able to use a credit card or a debit card to use the services, instead of your AT Hop card.
Brilliant! Why was this not done from day one?
Even topping up the Hop card with a credit card online is not instant – that is how good they are. Never underestimate the incompetence of Auckland Transport.

https://at.govt.nz/bus-train-ferry/contactless-payments-coming-soon?
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October 18, 2024 8:14am
- rouppe
  
  Ah, but will it be at the same price, or will you be charged the “cash” rate using the debit card?
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:22am
- cmm
  
  “Why was this not done from day one?”
  
  This was not done from day one for four main reasons:
  1) Unreliable communications prevented the use of EFTPOS in vehicles.
  2) The cost of cellular EFTPOS equipment was high.
  3) Having people enter PINs ect was slow.
  4) Transaction costs were high.
  
  All those have changed a lot in the last 5 to 10 years making EFTPOS in the buses a lot more feasible.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:25am
  - gryfon
    
    I think you’ve conflated EFTPOS and contactless credit/debit card payment. They’re not the same thing.
    https://blog.eftpos.co.nz/blog/debit-vs-eftpos-whats-the-difference
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:31am
    - cmm
      
      My point is that the increase in use of Paywave has reduced the amount of time people spend entering PINs.
      
      If everyone swipes and enters a pin, taking 15 seconds each, then 5 people take well over a minute.
      
      If 4 of them switch to Paywave, taking 3 seconds each, then that massively speeds up the operation.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:35am
      - Paulus
        
        And the users of Paywave lose money every time they use it.
        It is a Bank and Credit card con from day one.
        People using should look carefully at what they do.
        
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        October 18, 2024 10:04am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I took paywave off my card.
        
        That way if I lose it and don’t notice immediately it is no use to anyone.
        
        You pays your money and takes your choice.
        
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        October 18, 2024 10:36am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, I don’t really want Paywave either.
        
        Some marketing reasearch people found that people who pay with paywave don’t “feel” like they spent as much.
        
        For every $ you spend:
        * If you use cash it feels like $1.
        * If you use a debut caard and type in a PIN it feels like 90c.
        * If you use a credit card with a PIN it feels like 80c.
        * If you use a credit card with Paywave it only feels like 60c.
        
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        October 18, 2024 11:34am
  - alloytoo
    
    Problem would be solved if we did away with buses.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:01am
    - Local Miller
      
      Why is everyone anti public transport? I use it almost everyday to get to work and back, and have for the last 15 years. In my case it’s very convenient, we only need one car and I can read a book or listen to an Audio Book on the bus. If I include the walk it takes about 30 minutes to get to work each day.
      For some people some public transport works.
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:14am
      - sirknz
        
        Tell us you work in a CBD without telling us you work in a CBD.
        
        My commute on PT would be ~2 hours each way with 3-4 route changes, and I doubt that the fancy new bus lanes they are building at great expense will change that travel time by much more than 10-15 minutes.
        
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        October 18, 2024 11:28am
      - cmm
        
        You wouldn’t say that if it wasn’t subsidised by the rest of us.
        It only “works” because we’re paying the majority of your ticket costs.
        
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        October 18, 2024 11:35am
      - Warren Murray
        
        I’m glad it works so well for you, as, afterall, I’m paying too.
        
        The answers to your questions are:
        1. It’s not convenient for many
        2. It’s not reliable – strikes, weather, breakdowns, lack of staff mean it’s a lottery whether your bus or train will arrive / depart on time
        3. It’s expensive
        4. It’s inefficient for individuals who need to travel outside of the zones that the buses / trains take, so overall travel takes longer
        5. In many areas it’s not available
        6. In peak times it’s crowded and uncomfortable
        
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        October 18, 2024 1:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      JAG will be around for a chat shortly.
      
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      October 18, 2024 3:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So yet another ‘Public Sector’ does the job twice.
    It is only OPM, other people’s money.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:35am
  - peterwn
    
    In London and Sydney using a credit or debit card gives you all the fare discounts that you get with Oyster or Opel. New Zealand has purchased the same system as used in London and Sydney which will be rolled out for all commuter services. It is most likely that contactless fares in Auckland will be the same as HOP fares. There must also be provision for SuperGold card users (Winston’s requirement), the aim here being that a SuperGold card holder does not need to obtain a local transport card in each city they visit.
    Incidentally the new system does not rely on continuous communication with readers as far as I know. When you tap on or off the reader notes the date, time and location which is then sent to the central computer when convenient. The reader also writes the last tag on in ‘scratch’ memory on the debit/credit card (the card issuers would have agreed to make that space available) so a ticket inspector can check that the passenger has tagged on. The central computer then analyses all the tag on’s and off’s for the day and calculated the total owed including concessions, daily and weekly caps etc. This is then debited against the card in question. So in Sydney there would be one charge covering train Airport-Central, light rail to Circular Quay, ferry to Watsons Bay and back to Haymarket. No need to muck around to buy an Opal card at the airport.
    
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    October 18, 2024 2:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I commented on this a while back.
  
  The new system is called “Motu Move”. 🙄
  
  https://www.nzta.govt.nz/walking-cycling-and-public-transport/public-transport/national-ticketing-solution/
  
  The implementation costs are about $1.5 billion. Most of this is being met from NZTA. Funded from petrol excise revenue. That means $1.5 billion not available for roads.
  
  Are you still happy?
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:37am
  - gryfon
    
    If it puts more people into public transport so my commute is quicker then I am in favour of it.
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, use public transport so I can use my motorway.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It won’t.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, the young and the useless will just make more bus lanes and cycle lanes.
        
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        October 18, 2024 3:45pm
    - Paulus
      
      I have not heard that our employees of the Tauranga City Council have had their “free” bus passes recinded yet !
      
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      October 18, 2024 10:06am
  - cmm
    
    It is ridiculous that this costs $1.5bn
    
    There are maybe 1 million people who will use this upgraded system (maybe, I think I am being rather generous here). That’s $1500 each person. Crazy.
    
    Assuming there are 2000 vehicles, that’s $750k each – more expensive than most of the vehicles.
    
    All the system should need is:
    1) Bespoke development of software and terminals: $10 – 20 million.
    2) Terminals for each vehicle: $2000. $4M for 2000 vehicles.
    3) Operating costs : cellular modem plan per vehicle, maybe $500 per vehicle per year. $1M for 2000 vehicles.
    4) Rollout/marketing etc: $1M
    5) Service/maintenance costs: $500 per year per vehicle: $1M for 2000 vehicles.
    6) Ongoing software/system maintenance: $2M
    
    So $25M once off + $4M per year. Call that $5M per year.
    Around $75M for 10 years.
    
    So somehow they manage to come up with something 20x as expensive – and they would no doubt blow that budget anyway.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Auckland Transport needs you, but that would show up their complete incompetence.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:42am
    - imalwaysright
      
      It would be cheaper to make the fares free.
      
      Any shortfall would be offset by lower congestion.
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    Whaaaat? Are they STILL naming things in Maori? I thought that nonsense was being done away with. For goodness sake, use words 90% of the population can understand.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Been to a public hospital lately?
      Everything is Maori in bold, with English in smaller text.
      Even the resulting email of my liver scan was riddled with bastardised English. They are desperately trying to find scarring etc, so I get a lecture from my Doctor about alcohol!
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:45am
      - Paulus
        
        New signs outside School now being put up showing it to be a Kura as well.
        Who pays all the time for these things
        – yea Maori (well 16%) do not.
        
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        October 18, 2024 10:09am
cmm

St Ashley has worries we won’t be ready for the next inevitable pandemic. (I’ll bet he can’t wait for one to gain relevance again).

He thinks we need annually updated pandemic plans.
Well we had plans, but Cindy couldn’t understand them because they were not drawn with glitter and crayons – so she just depended on her awesome inchewishun and chatting to her friends.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/is-nz-ready-for-the-inevitable-next-pandemic/KKIN2XK6FZE3BHSSVBGM7T4PMY/
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October 18, 2024 8:18am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Sir Ashley needs to see the chaos in front line services at hospitals (and prob primary care too) .. winter just gone, more people were admitted to NZ hospitals with rsv/influenza than the total number of patients with Covid since ?2018 (can’t remember when Covie first kicked off) …. And the government didn’t shut down the health service/country to protect everyone from the flu. I’m surprised the country wasn’t locked down for monkey pox!
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    He, as well as Baker and friends, are completely fixated on treating viruses etc.
    
    They have no interest in the chaos, and subsequent damage, they caused for heart and cancer patients etc.
    
    This is why it is important to zoom out and look at the full picture.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The flu situation would be much better if more people got the vaccine.
    
    The major producers of the vaccine are moving to a “combined” flu and covid vaccine. So you just get one shot for the flu and covid.
    
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-mrna-based-combination
    
    Of course the downside is that folk who would normally get the flu vaccine will quit because of irrational fears of the covid vaccine.
    
    I hope that New Zealand holds off from the combined vaccine as long as possible. However in the medium term there may be no other choice.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:03am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Even at 82 y/o, my own immune system handled covid in 2 days. I would rather – as people have done since time immemorial – have a contact with the virus so the body can build it’s own immunity.
      Of course, there are some people who do have damaged or inadequate immunity, and there are those who are so fixated on “don’t get any germs – sanitize, stay away from bugs, keep your children away from dirt….” etc., so never give their body the opportunity to build immunity.
      
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      October 18, 2024 10:54am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I must add, that there are some viruses that do need immunisation, but I don’t class covid – a variant of the cold & flu virus – to be one of those, but each to their own.
        
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        October 18, 2024 10:56am
      - cmm
        
        Don: It is certainly worth it for diseases that can be eliminated, or very close and those which are extremely dangerous: smallpox, polio, MMR etc.
        
        The conflation of low-effectiveness flu and covid etc vaccines with high effectiveness vaccines (polio, smallpox, MMR etc) has done long lasting harm.
        
        This harm can be put squarely at the feet of Cindy and her mob.
        
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        October 18, 2024 11:40am
      - Inandout
        
        DB, I very much agree that natural immunity is the ideal solution for flu like symptoms. I remember getting the annual flu injection and in almost every case I got quite bad flu. So I missed the annual shot and from then on I didn’t get the flu or even a bad cold. Our lemon tree is regularly plundered and I put this down to keeping sniffles at bay.
        
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        October 18, 2024 12:18pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @cmm
        
        The polio vaccine is now altered. Even Tedros has admitted that his benefactor’s polio vaccine has started a new polio pandemic.
        
        Pretty much all vaccines are now being modified with mRNA abd/or modified bacteriophages (that use DNA injection), and/or graphene oxide. They have even hijacked the Tetanus vaccine.
        
        Our generation never had the MMR vaccine and I don’t recall people dropping dead in the street or on football fields, while driving or in airline cockpits.
        
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        October 18, 2024 3:06pm
    - Inandout
      
      BY, Pfizer is a very profitable investment.
      
      Returned
      $9.2bn
      to shareholders through cash dividends in 2023 on $42 billion turnover.
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:15pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        And most of the medical establishment who are not accepting bribes, know that Big Pharma is not about health, it is about money.
        
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        October 18, 2024 3:08pm
    - Geoff1
      
      “Of course the downside is that folk who would normally get the flu vaccine will quit because of irrational fears of the covid vaccine”.
      Evidence suggests that it is not an irrational fear of the Covid shot, (it is certainly not a vaccine)
      
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      October 18, 2024 3:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is not the healthiest looking individual imo.
    A loud “BOO” would make him faint.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If/when there is another pandemic we need a huge input of honesty – something that the lefties are severely lacking.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Or we could develop a sensible pandemic plan now without draconian lock downs.
    
    The whole point of the New Zealand pandemic plan developed about 20 years ago was to avoid needing to develop a plan when the pandemic hit. Incredibly, in 2020 I do not recall any politician or journalist even acknowledging that the plan existed.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:06am
    - alloytoo
      
      Especially since it had been updated a year or so before.
      
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      October 18, 2024 10:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jacinda Ardern and Simon Bridges were well aware of its existence.
      
      Oral Question 2: Wed 11 March 2020
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20200311_20200311
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Sensible” is something that does not work for the Public Sector.
      
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      October 18, 2024 12:07pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That is called a “sweeping statement”.
        
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        October 18, 2024 12:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So is my statement Benedict.
        
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        October 18, 2024 3:50pm
    - PurplePen
      
      They kept going on about how complex it all was and events arose that they had never dealt with before. I could have done basic scenario workshops with a bunch of 7th formers, whatever year that is, and people from the neighbourhood and likely come up with prepared responses for each scenario. Something that the last lot never seemed to have done at all.
      
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      October 18, 2024 2:15pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    There was no pandemic.
    
    There was the illusion of a pandemic that was created by drug companies, governments and compliant media.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:32am
    - cmm
      
      Well certainly nothing on the scale of a real pandemic like the Spanish Flu.
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:42am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agreed – but even then, many more survived than died. My maternal grandfather brought it back – with others – from WW I. He never caught it, my grandmother did, and my mother as a baby did & beat it. All my paternal & maternal grandparents & their families did. At that time they were probably numbered well into the hundreds. No doubt some caught it, but none died from it.
        Yes, it was a hugely dangerous epidemic, but got none of my relatives, both here, in Australia and in the UK.
        Lucky me I suppose, with inherited generations of good immune systems.
        
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        October 18, 2024 12:19pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “..but even then, many more survived than died..”
        
        Well, yes otherwise it would have been the end.
        
        IIRC the mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic was about 2.5 percent, which is a terrifying number, especially since deaths were more pronounced in adults with strong immune systems – between (about) 16 and 45. Paradoxically, death rates in children and old folk were lower, the exact opposite of the COVID pandemic.
        
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        October 18, 2024 12:39pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That is a ridiculous assertion.
      
      “Pandemic: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affects a significant proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease..”
      
      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic
      
      It killed 7 million and affected every country on the planet.
      
      Perhaps a billion people were infected, but who know?
      
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      October 18, 2024 12:33pm
rouppe

I just don’t understand this assertion.

The National Bowel Screening Programme is failing to deliver screening equitably to Pacific New Zealanders…

The test kits are sent to you in the mail, without you having to do anything.

Bowel screening is available to Māori and Pacific people from the age of 50 to 74. A higher proportion of bowel cancer occurs in Māori and Pacific people before they reach 60 (approximately 21% compared to 10% for non-Māori non-Pacific peoples).

They fail to say that for others, bowl screening starts at 60. So Tongans get sent the kits a full ten years, five tests, before me.

Many Tongans die unnecessarily from bowel cancer because the programme, while available, isn’t accessible to them.

Not accessible? How is it not accessible? The kits turn up in the mail. It’s then down to you whether or not the screening test happens.

Are authorities really convinced by this bullshit?
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October 18, 2024 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dare I say is is just plain laziness?
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  Of course it is our fault that they do not take part in the “free” Bowel Screening programme.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  It’s been long established that “inaccessible” is a te media / cultural marxist euphemism for ‘just can’t be bothered to”.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  Perhaps it is too hard for people to find a post box, so even if they do the test, they don’t know how or where to post it.
  Not trying to be smart Alec, but here post branches have been closed and finding a street corner posting box is not that easy.
  If you live in the middle of a large Auckland suburb how easy is it to post a letter or parcel?
  
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  October 18, 2024 1:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Everyone in Aus gets sent that test starting at age 50 automatically. Also, you can request one after age 45.
  
  From the programme website:
  
  “People aged 45 to 49 can request their first bowel cancer screening kit by submitting a webform.
  
  People aged 50 to 74 receive a bowel cancer screening kit in the post every 2 years.
  
  All eligible people aged 45 to 74 can also ask their doctor about getting a kit.
  
  Your next test kit will automatically be mailed every 2 years after your last screening test is completed.”
  
  It appears the wokesters in NZ are treating PIs as having inferior intellects. Could it be that PIs (generally speaking of course) are used to a much more relaxed lifestyle without a nanny state constantly trying to nudge them into modern safety-ism and they’d (generally) rather just cruise along and if that means dying somewhat earlier that’s their choice?
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:40pm
Yvette

Ngāpuhi hapū want to move forward towards treaty settlement, if it is done on their terms and on the basis that they have not ceded sovereignty to the crown.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018958185/ngapuhi-keen-to-move-towards-treaty-settlement-on-own-terms

A Ngāpuhi hapū leader today told Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith the country’s biggest iwi should get an $8.43 billion redress for generations of losses. …
[Te Kotahitanga o ngā hapū Ngāpuhi chair Pita] Tipene said the Waitangi Tribunal had ruled Ngāpuhi had not ceded sovereignty when signing Te Tiriti of Waitangi or He Whakapuntanga.
… This was in spite of the Prime Minister recently indicating the Government’s position to be otherwise.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/02/ngapuhi-hapu-leader-calls-for-8b-treaty-redress-during-govt-visit/

“Yes,” said Eeyore. “However,” he said, brightening up a little, “we haven’t had an earthquake lately.”
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October 18, 2024 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Thanks for noticin me.”
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:03am
- alloytoo
  
  If there was no cession of sovereignty then they can consider themselves a conquered people and all talk of settlements are moot.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:28am
- AitchW
  
  Ngapuhi have been unable to agree on who will act on their behalf in negotiations with the government. They appear to be incredibly parochial, so that each sub tribe wants to big note at negotiations. Ugh, the interminable wailing, speeches and karakia would be insufferable.
  So the elite of the tribe get koha, probably per diems and god knows what else, while the unemployed empoverished tribe members get nothing. Again. Not one snapper.
  
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  October 18, 2024 1:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Biden/Harris rot runs deep. Yep it is Mark Milley again.
“the nation’s top General met with Attorney General Merrick Garland and demanded the Justice Department pursue, round up, and jail Trump supporters.”

https://patriotpulse.net/a-top-general-proposed-this-sick-plan-for-joe-biden-to-hunt-down-donald-trump-supporters/?
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October 18, 2024 8:29am
- Mike
  
  If you believe it, it must be true, Steve.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:33am
Tauhei Notts

Gary Judd wrote in his submission to a Select Committee;
“Some tikanga cannot be known to the ordinary person because it is tapu and kept confined to certain expert people.”
Think about that sentence for a moment, then say after me;
“this is a far kin nonsense.”
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October 18, 2024 8:41am
- Matt Long
  
  Sounds like a cult to me. What is it with lawyers, judges and politicians, and secret knowledge like the Freemasons?
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:55am
- Yvette
  
  f somethings is too tapu (sacred) for you to know about, would it not be totally eliminated as ‘religious’ and inadmissible if Government and all its laws and services were proclaimed to be secular?
  And if somethings is too tapu (sacred) for you to know about, does it not automatically create ‘reasonable doubt’?
  (Sorry, my legal expertise is limited to watching SVU and Chicago PD)
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:14am
  - Yvette
    
    The first word above should have been ‘If’ but OK leave ‘f’ –
    ‘f’ is what ‘If’ is
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    The “art of the con”:
    Where confirmation and evidence cannot be given because it is so ‘top secret’.
    
    Expert: “Aliens are arriving in their spaceships in 3 days to kill everyone and take control of the planet.”
    
    Govt: “What do we do.”
    
    Expert: “I have a plan to stop them, but it is so top secret, I could tell you, but I’d have to kill you.”
    
    Govt: “Ok, we won’t ask questions. What do you need for this ‘plan’?”
    
    Expert: “I reckon about $75 Billion should do it. In gold, and unmarked bills, and all in advance.”
    
    Govt: “It’s a lot of money.”
    
    Expert: “Yeah what what will you say when the public finds you did nothing?”
    
    Govt: “OK”
    
    Govt: (4 days later): “What happened, we never saw any Alien spaceships?”
    
    Expert: “Well your money was well spent then. Crisis averted. Bye, gotta run, have to catch a one way flight to the Caymen Islands.”
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:33pm
- Mike
  
  We already have legal provisions where certain prosecution evidence cannot be shown to defendants for ‘security’ reasons.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:16am
  - rouppe
    
    But the way that works is that the document containing the information is disclosed, and the information presenting a security risk (usually someone’s name or contact information) is redacted.
    
    Holding an entire document back, so that defence doesn’t even know it exists, isn’t meeting disclosure requirements. Yes it has happened, and where that’s been discovered has resulted in very poor outcomes for the prosecution.
    
    Tikanga is not information that, if known, can result in someone’s harm. What Gary Judd is suggesting is a way to throw something into a trial that no one knows anything about and call it tikanga. Another word for it might be bullshit.
    
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    October 18, 2024 12:22pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    This is not one of those provisions. This is a scam.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:34pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Sounds like “secret woman’s business” (an aboriginal scam to extort money from Oz govt for cultural reasons that couldn’t be shared in the ’90’s)
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindmarsh_Island_bridge_controversy
  
  Similar to all the taniwha brownmail bullshit that is indulged by govt in NZ.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:49am
- JackRabbit
  
  Some tikanga cannot be known to the ordinary person because it is tapu and kept confined to certain expert people.
  
  The ultimate scam. No proof required.
  
  “Only certain experts can know the tikanga because it is hapu.” It is ‘invisible’ to others.
  
  Hans Christian Andersen warned us about people like that.
  
  Only people fit for office, and who are not stupid, can see this fine cloth.
  
  In the great city where he lived, life was always gay. Every day many strangers came to town, and among them one day came two swindlers. They let it be known they were weavers, and they said they could weave the most magnificent fabrics imaginable. Not only were their colors and patterns uncommonly fine, but clothes made of this cloth had a wonderful way of becoming invisible to anyone who was unfit for his office, or who was unusually stupid.
  
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  October 18, 2024 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New swing state polling data had Donald Trump smiling from ear to ear.
“As you can clearly see, President Trump holds an edge in all 7 Battlegrounds including all the ‘Blue Wall States.’ This data projected out would put President Trump at 312 Electoral votes. As importantly, President Trump is at or on the precipice of 50% in virtually all of these states,”
I see it as more than 312 (270 to win) Remembering that for every Electoral College vote Trump gets, Kamala also goes down one vote.

MAGA. TRUMP 2024.

https://patriotpulse.net/new-swing-state-polling-data-had-donald-trump-smiling-from-ear-to-ear/?
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October 18, 2024 8:42am
- NothingLeft
  
  betting odds also shortening for Trump – nearing 60% to win.
  
  With multi-billion election budgets democrats have to play with I expect to see a flood of Dem favoring public polls released soon to try and flip ‘losing’ narrative.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:53am
surfing

This government has lost control of the justice system, yet, they will not admit it.

Exhibit 1: Luxon’s train wreck interview on ZB regarding the Solicitor Generals advice to prosecute Maori differently. Prosecutors will be giving Maori who commit serious crime a break. Non-maori committing the same crime will be treated more harshly by the judiciary.

The solicitor general sets the policy, and go easy on the Maori is now an official policy and is in writing.

Exhibit 2: Judith Collins has distanced herself from this issue. Collins claims the law must not discriminate on ethnicity but at the same time she is powerless to discipline the solicitor general who is ordering prosecutors to discriminate on ethnicity.

Who runs this country? The democratic government or the Solicitor general? At this stage, it is the Solicitor General as apparently the government has absolutely no authority over her!!

One more thing, the solicitor general is taking advice from Andrew Little’s Maori advocacy committee which stated their goal is to decolonise the ‘injustice’ system. This Andrew Little goon squad is controlling the country.
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October 18, 2024 8:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kayleigh McEnany dropped the hammer on Kamala Harris for one disturbing hurricane response.
Kamala claimed she was working round the clock.
“You have been ‘working around the clock to prepare for Hurricane Milton”’? Yesterday, you spent the day filming The View, Howard Stern, and Colbert. Today, you called into the hurricane briefing virtually. At least come up with a talking point that is believable!” McEnany wrote on X.
Harris is so full of shit.

https://patriotpulse.net/kayleigh-mcenany-dropped-the-hammer-on-kamala-harris-for-one-disturbing-hurricane-response/?
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October 18, 2024 8:49am
- cmm
  
  For her that is working around the clock.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:41am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Spinning 24/7.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:42pm
Conservatarian

Brett Baier: why do so many people think that the country is on the wrong track?
Kamala Harris: But Evil Orange Man.

You could see the desparation in her eyes and hear it in the increasingly nasal voice as she pleaded for him to accept that “I have a plan”
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October 18, 2024 8:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Green take-over of Wellington City:

The decay began in 2010 when Wellington voted out the last in a long run of capable mayors and perversely allowed itself to be persuaded its future lay with a Greenie blow-in from Britain. Three more useless mayors and Left-dominated councils later, the city has become so terminally dysfunctional that government intervention looks both likely and necessary.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/karl-du-fresne-the-sad-ignoble-decline-of-frog-city
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October 18, 2024 8:54am
- MCōs
  
  One of those mayors, Celia Wade-Brown, in now a Green MP. Another, Andy Foster, is a NZ First MP.
  Both are British immigrants
  The other mayor was Justin Lester, Labour.
  The current mayor, Tory Whanau, Greens, displaced Foster who after years of earnest work as a councilor didn’t cut the mustard as mayor.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:44am
  - Ian Boag
    
    What’s the big deal about their country of birth? One assumes they are NZ citizens and never made any secret of their views. Elected by the voters and all that. I forget what they call that sort of system …
    
    If you want to change this stuff I guess you have to get involved in campaigning and the like rather than just rant on Kiwiblog. Get out the vote etc.
    
    Telling people they are idiots is not likely to change their opinions …
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Get out the vote etc.
      
      Mea Culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa…
      
      I voted for Celia Wade-Brown for council & in her mayoralty run
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:37am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        5 Hail Mary’s and a small donation to the church will redeem you in God’s eyes Maggy.
        
        I have a confession of my own – I voted for Jacinda Muddleduck in 2017.
        
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        October 18, 2024 12:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        – I voted for Jacinda Muddleduck in 2017.
        
        crikey,
        
        How many hair-shirts have you worn through?
        
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        October 18, 2024 6:17pm
  - zulumonster
    
    To be fair to Foster the majority of his council were diametrically opposed to him. Wade-Brown, Lester and Whanau have all had a majority of support around the table and yet they were / are all clusters in their own way.
    If Wellington does have a new, sensible mayor next year they also need a supportive majority of councillors, otherwise nothing will change and Wellington will continue to go down the (broken) drain.
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:28pm
    - Paulus
      
      Where do you find a new sensible Mayor in Wellington ?
      – it is a left wing fractured community at best.
      
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      October 18, 2024 3:09pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I was at University with Andy Foster, more than 40 years ago. I don’t remember him having a pommy accent then.
    
    If he was born in the UK, he must have come here early in life. Quite unlike the odious CWB.
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:21pm
I remember when

So 8% of those polled think that New Zealand should change its name to Aotearoa.
However, at least 92% of journalists seem to think we are Aotearoa.

Does the general public have a reality disconnect?
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October 18, 2024 8:54am
- pdm
  
  `Does the general public have a reality disconnect?’
  
  Definitely not.
  
  But, 92% of Journalists do if your statistics are correct.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:34am
MCōs

Taken in isolation that was one of the Blackcaps greatest ever days in test cricket history yesterday.
Even more remarkable for a team of no name strugglers
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October 18, 2024 8:56am
- Conservatarian
  
  yeah, superb stuff.
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  Agreed, a great effort.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  Incidentally in the days before DRS and neutral umpires the local umpires dreaded days like that!
  Death threats, armed escorts, homes set alight . . . .
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:02am
- mandk
  
  A team drawn from a population of 5 million vs one drawn from a population approx 250 times larger is impressive.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:02am
  - rockape
    
    I wonder what odds those who bet on a result like that got. I also wonder how much larger the Indian teams bank accounts are today?
    
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    October 18, 2024 10:01am
- alex Masterley
  
  Given what happened in Sri Lanka I was pleasantly surprised.
  But it is early days yet.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Might have been better is Sri Lanka had Henry played but, the batting was the main problem there.
    
    Mind you better application in the batting has got us into a good position – if they can get through to lunch today with only a couple of wickets lost 400 could be enough for a win.
    
    Great catching yesterday and a juicy pitch helped a lot.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:37am
    - MCōs
      
      I felt sorry for the flash Indian batters, said no Kiwi watching
      
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      October 18, 2024 9:48am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  How long would you survive against will o’rourke bowling at 140 k’s? He is hardly a no name.
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:50am
  - MCōs
    
    He was ranked #41 bowler before this test.
    India have three in the top ten and Matt Henry is #11
    Daryl Mitchell is our best batter at #9 preceded by three Indians and Kane who isn’t playing.
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Kane must have cursed his luck in missing the test.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who decides what is tikanga in this day and age?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/gary-judd-kc-a-student-should-not-be-forced-to-learn-about-tikanga-to-be-a-lawyer
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October 18, 2024 8:57am
- Yvette
  
  And all this area of “reasonable doubt” extends from the Peter Ellis case where – along with considerations of honourable recognition of the damage a wrong in the courts does to a man’s reputation, alive or passed – a Maori recognition of similar reputation was referenced as an added supporting argument.
  Got the old waewae in the proverbial tatau there didn’t they
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:52am
Conservatarian

Baier: when did you first notice that Biden is senile?
Harris: Donald Trump is on the ballot.

You can’t make this up.
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October 18, 2024 8:58am
- NothingLeft
  
  That is her response to every question of her poor record in govt:
  Interviewer: “The Biden administration has done xyz”
  Kamala: “But orange man bad (and I come from a middle class background unburdened by what has been to create an opportunity economy)”
  
  Another Kamala lie; seems the photo black lady she implied was her Jamaican grandmother with a picture in her book wasn’t, and in fact her Jamaican grandmother Beryl was fair skinned.
  
  Faked ‘blackness’ is going to go down well with black voters.
  
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  October 18, 2024 2:31pm
sirknz

Police staffer had a relationship with a gang member.

Want to bet that the unnamed staffer is a woman?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350454486/police-staffer-allegedly-had-relationship-gang-member-leaked-them-information
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October 18, 2024 9:39am
Bridgenag

Long read here …..

Would you like Plasmids with that?
A bombshell finding implicates ALL recombinant vaccines in the DNA contamination scandal and requires urgent investigation

“Two things have happened this week that – when combined – are going to shine the light on a decades-long scandal that the pharmaceutical corporations, particularly those making vaccines, appear desperate to suppress.

In fact, if they are unable to keep a lid on the information in this article, the floodgates may open to the largest pharma lawsuits in history.”

https://www.arkmedic.info/p/would-you-like-plasmids-with-that?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 18, 2024 9:50am
- cmm
  
  This has been well known for a long time.
  
  Plasmids (parts of DNA) are used during the manufacture of mRNA vaccines. Most are removed during processing but some remain.
  
  There has been some discussion about what constitutes a safe level.
  
  All vaccines have some DNA in them – whether they are biological vaccines or synthetic mRNA-like vaccines.
  
  I certainly am no covid vaccine fan, but the presence of DNA, or parts thereof) isn’t something I would immediately freak out about.
  
  Still, the potential impacts of plasmids needs investigation – to find if there are safe levels, long term effects etc.
  
  Here’s a pre-covid paper on some of this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6631684/
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:20pm
cmm

I see Caltech has some Iranian-American students working on some pretty sophisticated control systems for drones etc.

I wonder how much of this tech is finding its way home to helping out the Iranian missile/drone programme?

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/ai-trained-vehicles-can-adjust-to-extreme-turbulence-on-the-fly
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October 18, 2024 9:52am
- MCōs
  
  I noticed one chap, Moray Gharib who was born in Iran and has this education B.S., Teheran University, 1976; M.S., Syracuse University, 1978; Ph.D., Caltech, 1983.
  So he’s been in the US for 46+yrs. Not out of the woods yet?
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:17am
  - cmm
    
    If so, why does he call himself Iranian-American.
    
    I wouldn’t call myself South African-New Zealander in a bio even when I had been here 10 years (I’ve now been here 32 years).
    
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    October 18, 2024 11:16am
    - NothingLeft
      
      It’s an american thing, desperate to be different from the crowd. They’ll still claim a link many generations after the preferred set of ancestors immigrated.
      
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      October 18, 2024 11:59am
    - cmm
      
      If he didn’t still want to be identified as Iranian then he would do what many do – call themselves Persian etc.
      
      There are many Persian-Americans – proud to be Persian and want to distance themselves from any association with Iran. The same for Azeris and Khurds.
      
      You would only call yourself Iranian if you want to identify as being part of Iran.
      
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      October 18, 2024 5:10pm
  - cmm
    
    If he did a PhD in 1983 he will be in his early 70s. He will be the supervising professor or whatever.
    
    He is clearly not one of the Iranian-American students.
    
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    October 18, 2024 5:28pm
Pope Punctilious II

Say what you like about Martyn Bradbury, but he’s giving Tim Selwyn free rein to probe the loss of the Manawanui. Selwyn is doing the job the MSM should be doing, instead of just praising the commander for abandoning ship and getting the crew off unscathed. It sounds like the navy hasn’t been entirely truthful about how the ship was lost:
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/10/17/wreck-of-the-hmnzs-manawanui-submerging-fiction-emerging-facts/#comments
He has a go at the navy’s DEI policy. And the story has been picked up internationally too, one YouTuber asking “Couldn’t they find a New Zealand lesbian to crash the ship?”. The armed forces are the last place we should be implementing DEI.
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October 18, 2024 9:53am
- Ghost
  
  What a stupid article, not worth reading. Just some person having a rant about judith
  
  It’s not the msm job to find out what happened, it’s the Court of Inquiry whose job it is, and the medias to report on that.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:35am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes he rants (“Gonzo journalism”), but which of his criticisms of Collins and the navy are inaccurate or unfair?
    
    “It’s not the msm job to find out what happened”. Did you really write that? You’re familiar with the idea of “investigative journalism”, right?
    
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    October 18, 2024 12:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      So whose job do you think it is to investigate this? The msm who do not have any evidence before them and who would be at most guessing? Or the court of inquiry who have all the information before them including witnesses? Maintenance records etc
      
      What you linked to is just a long incoherent rant about Judith. Just normal leftie brain rot
      
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      October 18, 2024 1:52pm
Benedict Yu

It is exactly the same as Maori taking a treaty claim to the Tribunal because they were discriminated against in the covid vaccine roll out. Insane. Any Maori individual in 2021 or 2022 just had to pick up the phone and say they wanted the covid vaccine. If they were isolated or had no transport, the authorities would fix it. That is how much money was poured in to local Maori health providers. Where did all that money go? IIRC it was about 200 million dollars.
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October 18, 2024 10:11am
- Phronesis
  
  It was a lot more than that and much of it went to cultural groups that had zero experience in managing a vaccination program. In the early days of the vaccination program, when supply was still limited, quite a lot of vaccine had to be dumped after it was incorrectly stored by contractors. This is what happens when you select for qualities other than experience and ability to do the job.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:50am
- Swifty
  
  On average, 70% of the benefits of that $200M spend will have been taken by the service providers in the form of fees, dividends, salaries and wages.
  
  In half the cases it will have been more than 70%.
  
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  October 18, 2024 10:57am
- cmm
  
  “they were discriminated against in the covid vaccine roll out.”
  
  In some ways that is true. They were deliberately targeted with advertising, funding etc.
  
  I am sure that as you say any Maori phoning up the hot line would have had a personal visit to their home at any time of day or night by one of the excessively funded NGOs eager to provide services they could charge.
  
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  October 18, 2024 11:11am
  - Phronesis
    
    This is one of the problems with claiming that discrimination on the basis of race is OK when it’s positive discrimination for a minority.
    Who decides what is good?
    If there is long term problems with the vaccination then maori will have been discriminated against negatively. Almost everything the government does isn’t an absolute good so discrimination on the basis of race should always be avoided.
    
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    October 18, 2024 12:12pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      ” Who decides what is good?”
      
      Exaccery! The only tool we have for that is majority consensus of the people. Anything else is just a minority bunch of jumped up self appointed god-kings dictating to everyone else. This creates ongoing instability and division.
      
      The big question is how do we get the passionless sheeple to engage?
      
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      October 18, 2024 5:54pm
quarterpack

Wouldn”t have been a great weekend if we could be watching the Americas Cup the Hauraki Gulf on Saturday? The viaduct and Wynyard quarter would have been packed, instead we have empty seats in restaurants and bars and a broken draw bridge to look at.
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October 18, 2024 11:22am
- Ian
  
  See “Mike’s Minute” over at Newstalk ZB. Basically Chippy opined the same but forgot that is was his government that didn’t cough up enough dosh, so that it went to Spain. Chippy trying to get into the headlines again without thinking of the past….
  
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  October 18, 2024 3:25pm
  - Quail
    
    No, it was taxpayers who did not cough up.
    The Government just plunders taxpayers.
    As a taxpayer this was a correct decision
    
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    October 18, 2024 4:49pm
Ghost

I really do think the herald needs to learn to place their videos to other stories better

https://ibb.co/cL1yFZD
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October 18, 2024 12:00pm
mandk

“To date the Government has committed $110 million resulting in approximately 440,000 tonnes of slash and debris being removed from Tairāwhiti”.
(Source: Beehive Press Release from Todd McClay, Minister for Forestry)

Why is the taxpayer being made to fork out to clean up the mess created by forestry companies?

If the forestry companies were made to bear their full costs, we might not be having the farm to forest conversions that are happening now.
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October 18, 2024 12:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why is the taxpayer being made to fork out to clean up the mess created by forestry companies?
  
  Good question
  
  In December 2022, Ernslaw was fined a total of $325,000. That year it had made a total income of $41 million. The previous year it made $74 million.
  …
  
  Hikurangi Forest Farms was fined $379,000 in February 2020 for similar breaches to Ernslaw in the 2018 Queen’s Birthday storm. In 2019, Hikurangi Forest Farms was bought out by New Forests, an Australian-owned company, and renamed Aratu. The parent company made $63 million last year.
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/10/04/bought-out-and-sold-down-the-river/
  
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  October 18, 2024 12:51pm
- cmm
  
  $250 per ton seems like a huge cost.
  
  What are they using? Helicopters piloted by virgins?
  
  But, hey, it’s only taxpayer money so go for it!
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:00pm
  - rouppe
    
    Have you seen how civil contractors work these days?
    
    10,000 cones, 4 traffic management trucks with 1, sometimes 2 in the cab, half the crew leaning on a ute scrolling. We’re back to the worst of the Ministry of works times.
    
    There’ll be twice as many people as needed pushing wood into piles and burning it.
    
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    October 18, 2024 9:33pm
sirknz

Anybody keen to sign up for the Stuff newsletter for their thoughts about the US election?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350378036/us-election-stuffs-trump-v-harris-newsletter-your-guide-us-election

I can’t be bothered with the autofill of my email to be honest…
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October 18, 2024 12:11pm
- MCōs
  
  Personally I’ve OD’d on American election propaganda from all sides
  
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  October 18, 2024 1:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    The whole sorry campaign has come down to childish behaviour like this from the richest man in the world https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1847057291092058186?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
    
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    October 18, 2024 1:51pm
Ghost

Just on the radio Solicitor General will be redoing the prosecution guidelines
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October 18, 2024 2:02pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  IMO a ne SG should be doing that…..Goosey should be gone.
  
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  October 18, 2024 2:40pm
- Ghost
  
  Solicitor-General Una Jagose, the government’s chief legal advisor, will review the new prosecution guidelines “after reflecting on public discussion”.
  
  “I have read and listened to public commentary over the last few days. I can see that my wording, particularly in the introduction, has missed the mark. I can be clearer, and it’s important to get this right to avoid public uncertainty or misunderstanding,” she said in a statement.
  
  Article
  
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  October 18, 2024 2:55pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Explaining is losing and she has lost. Lost the plot and hopefully her job.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:10pm
    - cmm
      
      Not necessarily. Explaining isn’t always losing.
      
      Explaining is explaining. Explaining is useful if you need to clarify something which was misinterpreted.
      
      But here is seems this “explaining” is really backpedaling and admitting you lost.
      
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      October 18, 2024 4:52pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      When word salad mongers “explain” they lose.
      
      When people who are not full of it explain, it’s concise and clear.
      
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      October 18, 2024 5:55pm
  - Eastlander
    
    The problem is not the wording and she knows that very well . The goal is to put Maori beyond the reach of the legal system and she’ll try to sneak that same policy through in a different guise – you could certainly achieve similar results by requiring prosecutors to consider an accused person’s difficult upbringing, ‘cultural alienation’ and so on.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:54pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Thats good news.
  If she hadnt she would have been asked politely for her resignation.
  
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  October 18, 2024 3:34pm
  - DimChappie
    
    I suspect she will edit the most offensive lines from the press release but try to keep her racist advice in the guidelines. Agree she should be gone 100 pct.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:39pm
  - artemisia
    
    More than a mis-step from the SG. It would not be surprising to see a different step in the not too distant future. A step down after actually reading the room.
    
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    October 18, 2024 3:40pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Not good enough. This individual has demonstrated that they are not up to the task and should be removed from office immediately. This country is dysfunctional enough without the SG trying to push their personal, racist views onto the rest of the country and then trying to enshrine them in law, or in how the law is applied.
  
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  October 18, 2024 3:42pm
- Swifty
  
  Those guidelines were a suicide note.
  
  How she could have released those guidelines, in the current climate and with the current government, without checking with her Minister first, beggars belief.
  
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  October 18, 2024 4:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    It appears the work started early 2023, so was pushing the same direction labour’s was going. TO keep going and not reverse that when the new govt go in is insane.
    
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    October 18, 2024 4:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How she could have released those guidelines,
    
    Serves as a good distraction from the part she played in stifling the claims of abuse from Lake Alice Hospital and Epuni children’s home survivors.
    
    The Royal Commission itemises a number of times cases Jagose was involved in raised issues of information being withheld from victims and/or their legal representatives and where there was a generally hostile approach to victims in litigation.
    
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/10/18/crown-cover-up-limiting-liability/
    
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    October 18, 2024 4:33pm
  - Burtland
    
    A suicide note then forced to swallow a dead rat – embarrassing for a S-G and KC.
    Will she have the constitution to continue?
    
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    October 18, 2024 7:05pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I would put money on her being gone burger within 12 months.
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Most unlikely… she’s only 56… and she knows where all the bodies are buried.
    
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    October 18, 2024 7:17pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else see Trump at the Catholic dinner that Harris would not attend? She was the first Democrat not to do so in 40 years.

Trump was so funny. He was at his best.
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October 18, 2024 3:24pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Donald Trump delivers remarks at the Al Smith dinner
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D5M7CKVMf0
  
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  October 18, 2024 3:38pm
Ghost

Wow. Not the sort of minister the government needs

Andrew Bayly, the minister responsible for small business, has admitted his behaviour was “unbecoming of a government minister” after telling a worker to “f… off” and repeatedly calling them a “loser” during a visit to an export business.

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October 18, 2024 3:54pm
- Swifty
  
  I’m struggling to imagine any situation where this would have been ok, even when both sides were joking around.
  
  It appears as though Bayly has acted like an absolute tosser, the apology seems to confirm it, and I’d be seriously thinking about demoting him if I was Luxon.
  
  What was he thinking? Was he pissed?
  
  We’ve got some hugely serious work to achieve with this government and we can’t have it jeopardised by National MPs handing ammo to Labour and their henchmen.
  
  Bloody embarrassing, arrogant and thoughtless. And from a Minister!
  
  Where is this guy’s head at?
  
  What a prick.
  
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  October 18, 2024 4:03pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’d like to know what really happened, in full, on both sides first. Was the “worker” being an abusive f-wit?
    
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    October 18, 2024 5:59pm
    - Swifty
      
      Fair point, but I’m assuming the complaint is substantially correct because of the prompt apology and the apology wording.
      
      But even if provoked, swearing and using the word ‘loser’ is not on.
      
      He is an ambassador for the government on a mission to win hearts and minds.
      
      They all should be on a mission to win people over and have them remark later “what a good bastard, I’m going to vote for him/them.”
      
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      October 18, 2024 6:45pm
    - Ghost
      
      He’s apologised, and said it took place, but he thought he was being lighthearted…..
      
      “It was unintentional, I meant the comments in a light-hearted manner, but I accept that they caused offence. I take responsibility for the situation, and I am sorry.
      
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      October 18, 2024 6:49pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    From a Minister of the Crown, this is unprofessional, undignified behaviour.
    Even if it was just joking, it does not present anything resembling a good role model.
    Are there any electeds in parliament these days that my grandkids could look up to as as people to admire?
    Probably not.
    That’s why they look to show biz celebrities and influencers on social media for inspiration.
    
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    October 18, 2024 8:30pm
- MCōs
  
  The NZ Herald reproduces the transcript of the letter from the aggrieved worker and it casts the Minister in an even worse light!
  
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  October 18, 2024 4:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    Hopefully former minister. The government doesn’t need this sort of behavior distracting it
    
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    October 18, 2024 4:28pm
Chuck Bird

Does anyone believe that Bayly was not affected by alcohol?

Small business affairs minister Andrew Bayly apologises for interaction during company visit

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/small-business-affairs-minister-andrew-bayly-apologises-for-interaction-during-company-visit/C5UGE434CVBKXPXHJJTO5JQR2U/
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October 18, 2024 4:37pm
- cmm
  
  If he really did say that, and he doesn’t seem to be denying it, then he should really be fucking off (but leaving the wine behind).
  
  It is time to tighten up if National want to be taken seriously. Can’t have this sort of nonsense.
  
  Of course professional fence sitter Luxon is not doing anything about it. Get off the fence sunshine!
  
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  October 18, 2024 4:48pm
- rouppe
  
  The only thing I’ll give Bayly over that was the unequivocal apology.
  
  Marama Davidson, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and others would have said “I’m sorry if anyone was offended”
  
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  October 18, 2024 4:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    *if that.
    
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    October 18, 2024 7:05pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Bayly was on with Heather and denies he was drinking. I think he is lying. Thumbs up if you think he was drinking and thumbs down if you think he was not drinking.
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:14pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Bayly talking to Heather denies using the F word. He is saying the complainant is lying. Not good.
    
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    October 18, 2024 6:18pm
Swifty

Is this Green dirty politics?

This is how a Green MP’s mind works.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_k7AH_voW1U

One out of ten young people drop out of the boot camp trial, which is still underway I might add, and she labels it ‘a 10% failure rate of the programme’.

I might have thought the reason the person dropped out was relevant here. What if it was illness? Has received a job offer they wished to take up? A family bereavement? Just decided it wasn’t for them?

What leaps must one make to jump to the conclusion that this amounted to a 10% failure rate and when the trial is still underway?

Or is she just making shit up? Twisting the facts and truth purely to try to make the govt look bad?

This just screams a lack of integrity to me.

This is just dirty politics.
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October 18, 2024 4:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When my grandson did LSV (Limited Service Volunteer) a few years back there were 20 to 30% dropped out I think. But that is only because they could and were just lazy.
  So yeah Swifty, I am thinking just lazy little shits.
  My grandson completed his course. It was only 6 weeks ffs.
  
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  October 18, 2024 5:46pm
- rouppe
  
  Isn’t this the one from the very first cohort, where attendance was voluntary?
  
  The attendee pulled the pin within short order when they realised it wasn’t a summer camp. I’d be curious as to the experience of the other 9
  
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  October 18, 2024 9:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Alvin Bragg Politisising the possible falsifying Trumps business accounts – and the huge bond is ok – but CBS News doctoring Kamala’s answers with other non-answers is not ok?
Please!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/the-hard-way-trump-makes-direct-threat-to-cbs-news-over-interview-he-calls-sordid/ar-AA1ssbjq?
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October 18, 2024 4:57pm
Swifty

The pro-Palestine lobby is full of rocket scientists:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8AWzXLBys

🤣🤣🤣
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October 18, 2024 4:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is your Friday afternoon/evening leftist New Dump.
From Don Brash – Hobson’s Pledge.
Una Jagose KC has taken down the Prosecution Guidelines.
“I can be clearer, and it’s important to get this right to avoid public uncertainty or misunderstanding.”
“I have therefore taken down the guidelines, while I review the introduction and the rest of the guidance for clarity and consistency.”
“My intention is that this process will be completed promptly, and I will republish the guidelines in time for them to come into effect as scheduled from 1 January 2025.”

Ssssshhhh, don’t tell anyone until next week – except NZ has the internet thingy I think.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/531209/solicitor-general-reverses-prosecution-guidelines-requiring-consideration-of-impact-on-maori-after-backlash
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October 18, 2024 5:03pm
Quail

Successive Governments have forgotten about esports and exporters.
Assuming Bayly was apparently just confirming that position.
Export led recovery ,balance of payments, and productivity don’t matter when borrowing and printing money are so easy,
Don’t worry about inflation , that is now just domestic.
No electricity for timber works and closure of the Timaru freezing works all reducing exports again.
( Australia is offering meat workers work so the real producers are exported)
Without much more productivity NZ is headed to depression!
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October 18, 2024 5:10pm
Ghost

Interesting interview

Ross Coulthart is joined by Michael Shellenberger, an independent journalist who reveals a secret Pentagon UAP program named by a Congressional whistleblower: “Immaculate Constellation.”

They share details of the Special Access Program which Shellenberger says are provided in a whistleblower report provided to the U.S. Congress and the broader implications of these secretive programs.

Shellenberger alleges the program is being kept secret from Congressional oversight, a potential violation of the US Constitution.

YouTube

A new congress hearing takes place a few days after the election
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October 18, 2024 6:11pm
Swifty

While the test has a long way to go, still a 300+ first innings lead sets the team up very well.

The day before the test started I was saying to my Indian flattie how we’re going to get slaughtered. He agreed.

Shows how much I know.
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October 18, 2024 7:03pm
- Gravelroad
  
  That’s what we said here too.
  Likewise that the Australian Sheilas would win the Cricket World Cup against England in the final….
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:35pm
- Colville
  
  You would have got vast odds if you wanted to wager on NZ being 350+ ahead at the end of the first innings!
  
  India need 500+ to stay in it!
  
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  October 18, 2024 8:50pm

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