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Luke Piewalker

Trump holds a sold out rally at Madison Square Garden.

Media … Trump holds rally 85 years after Nazi rally.

*me shaking my head and walking away from the media
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October 29, 2024 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I love the quote from Mel Gibson. Kamala has the IQ of a fence post.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:18am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Harris went to a barbershop in Philadelphia at the weekend and put on her infamous “blackcent” when trying in vain to talk to would-be black male voters:
    
    “It’s not my first time in a barbershop OK, this is where the truth be told OK”
    
    She must have learned those black phrases whilst at high school in Montreal, Canada.
    
    What is the true colour of a chameleon?
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      She did it at a “black” church too.
      
      The woman’s a loon.
      
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      October 29, 2024 4:25pm
- RoboRob
  
  The FBI need to get onto this stuff. The number of Nazis in the US must be, as Trump would say, ‘uge’. All these Nazis running events at Madison gardens should be locked up.
  
  I cant believe that Marilyn Monroe and JFK were Nazis, no wonder the FBI assasinated him.
  
  Bill Clinton an Fleetwood Mac also appeared there together, we need to look into these right wing supremists too.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:29am
  - Conservatarian
    
    A group of Nazis called the “New York Knicks”, most of them black, also hold 40+ Nazi rallies every year at Madison Square Garden
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let’s not forget the dems hate Jews, and right there they are natzis
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:53am
- kglm
  
  If you want to be uninformed about the election, look at the NZ mainstream media where you will be told the election is too close to call and be fed anti-Trump stories. If you want to hear that Harris will win, look at the US mainstream media where you will be told the race is close and Harris may win. If you want to hear that Trump will win, look at the US non-mainstream media where you will be told that indications strongly favour Trump and he is likely to win.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:37am
  - imalwaysright
    
    They are trying to make it look close so that the swing to kamala due to their fake vote dump looks believable.
    
    It looks like they will need many more “votes” than they thought they would.
    
    I can see even Crazy Nancy putting her drunken spider scrawl to a few papers before she passes out watching hubby entertain another homeless person.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:31am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Consider.
      “”Too close to call”” sells more clicks, views, sales.
      Ergo more advertising Dollars.
      
      If it was an obvious outcome, media would make buggar all money.
      
      I have fun looking at the extremities.
      Not just Fox verses CNN/MSNBC
      
      But Podcasters like
      Megan Kelly Trump Supporter
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_XrNrG9i6M
      
      and Kamala supporter
      https://www.youtube.com/@briantylercohen
      
      Much more entertaining than Mainstream media either NZ or US.
      
      Both podcasters have multi million numbers of subscribers/viewers
      
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      October 29, 2024 6:07pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  TVNZ one news last night? 100 percent agree – knifing trump at every chance, some moron standing on Chch motorway over bridge talking about traffic concerns at the end of holiday weekend with only two cars driving past him … no item on Ginny Andersen poor judgement issue
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:56am
  - AitchW
    
    Not a peep about her on Stuff or NZH this morning either.
    The bias in the media really is appalling, they dont even pretend to be impartial any more.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:33am
  - Jack5
    
    CHC’s … TVNZ one news last night…
    
    TVNZ news lurches even further left at weekends and on holidays.
    
    Must be from a frustrated second-line team.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:32am
- Matt Long
  
  One of the main things I remember about previous Nazi rallies is the prominent Jewish flags on display, unlike the utopian progressive rallies where the non Zionist progressive Jews have to hide from enlightened joyful equity protesters.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:59am
- Philview
  
  TVNZ News main story was that Beyonce is backing Kamala so it is all good. TVNZ obviously isn’t picking up on all of the negativity about Beyonce on social media in recent weeks.
  
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  October 29, 2024 11:25am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Did they report that the Harris campaign lured Beyonce fans to a political rally in Houston (Beyonce’s hometown) by insinuating that fans would get a free concert? Instead they heard four minutes of political advocacy from a pop star.
    
    Same thing happened at the DNC convention in Chicago in August, with the exact same celebrity (the Harris campaign made no attempt to online quells rumours that Beyonce would perform).
    
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    October 29, 2024 12:57pm
    - Paulus
      
      It has been said that Beyonce was paid as much as $10,000,o00 to appear, but that did not include to sing.
      
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      October 29, 2024 1:30pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        If I had the spare change, I’d be very happy to pay Beyonce $10m not to sing.
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:08pm
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s hilarious. There are videos all over the place showing groups of minorities who attended the rally–Jews, Arabs, Muslims, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans–saying, yep, I’m a Nazi.
  
  We’re all Nazis now.
  
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  October 29, 2024 11:37am
- wsk12345
  
  Do people pay to go or you just have to get a (free) ticket?
  
  I can’t imagine any politician getting crowds anything like that in NZ. It’s a different world.
  
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  October 29, 2024 1:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Claims so desperate, insane and dangerous one would previously have only seen that kind of twisted political rhetoric from despotic third world regimes.
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:45pm
Grunter

Luxon on Hosking this morning:

Nuclear energy as an option for NZ? – “No”

Climate Change – waffled on about Pacific Atols suffering from sea level increases drowning communities.

And this from the leader of our “most right-wing government ever”.

Still no sign that we are heading down the right track. This guy doesn’t even know what the right track is. Very frustrating listening to him.
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October 29, 2024 8:07am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  The only things that’s slightly ok is he is just a little bit less shit than hipkins, wastes a little bit less money and is letting Winston and seymour unwind some of the race based agenda.
  
  Right wing? Nope.
  
  Dynamic and leading the country to greatness? Nope.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:04am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It won’t help the country at all, but you can reduce your frustration level by quite a lot if you accept that National is very similar to Labour and will keep making the same mistakes.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:11am
  - Simon
    
    “you accept that National is very similar to Labour”
    
    National are similar to 2000s to 2010s Labo. Labo now are unspeakable shit.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:58am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Vote Act!
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:05am
  - Jack5
    
    Under MMP coalitions are the norm.
    
    Luxon is a good coalition manager.
    
    Without Luxon or a centrist of similar skills, MMP governments will mainly be Left wing teams of Labour, Greens, and Maori activists.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:36am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Because wind and solar will fuel data centres!
  
  Yeah right! Give that man a Tui.
  
  Is it my imagination or has the “refreshingly straight talking” Luxon already morphed into Ardern’s waffle sandwiches?
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon supporting nuclear would mean losing votes?
  He is not just Labour Lite, he is a closet Green!
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:14am
  - Colville
    
    Yes supporting nuclear would lose him votes and thus lose the election.
    
    I had this conversation with Seymour a couple of months back at a ACT event… he said (in short) Nuke is a great option but political suicide for any politician until there are sufficient people to support it (and vote for a supportive politician ) … currently its a polarising topic that can only be a loser for a party like National.
    
    Want nuclear??…then start an educational group that supports it.
    
    I wonder if DPF knows what percentage of New Zealand would support Nuke power??
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:33am
    - imalwaysright
      
      There must be somewhere we could build a dam in the North Island. Maybe put one upstream of the flood prone areas and kill two weka with the one stone.
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:36am
      - Paulus
        
        No, the Taniwha would say No
        – for a price they would reconsider.
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:31pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      I know that the issue was being polled during the previous National government and that there is more support for nuclear power than you would think.
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I hope the people parroting ACT took this post on board, no pm is going to suggest nuclear, maybe way down the track when it will be far different technology
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:01am
      - RoboRob
        
        See my posts, it is NZF and ACT that should be suggesting it. They can feel out the waters and if it is safe Luxon can jump in (or not).
        
        Nuclear is already a far different tech. The designs of modern systems are worlds apart from the 1960s level tech in place around the world and still operating safetly.
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:25pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      The majority of Aussies were opposed to nuclear a couple of years ago. Then Dutton looked at the evidence and argued for nuclear. His arguments were sound and supported by experts. Now 60% of Aussies support nuclear power and Dutton named 7 locations where nuclear is going. I cannot imagine Luxon doing anything similar.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:05am
      - Ghost
        
        New Zealand isn’t Australia, we don’t need nuclear energy.
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:18am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Ghost
        
        Where exactly is additional CO2 free ‘base load’ power going to come from?
        
        Can we afford the cost to upgrade our lines to carry more power from more remote locations to the areas it is required, as opposed to building power plants near where power is required?
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:52am
      - wsk12345
        
        @Ghost
        
        No new hydro (iwi and environmentalists)
        No new gas or coal and shut down of existing gas plant (climate change true believers)
        Little bit of new geothermal but will be slow coming and with large payouts to iwi making it expensive.
        Wind and solar are prohibitively expensive if you want them to provide “firm” power.
        
        So what do you suggest we power EVs, data centres and a fast growing population with?
        
        If you don’t already have them I’d suggest installing a wood burner and getting a good BBQ/gas hob as at least some of the next 5-7 yrs of winters will be ugly. Not that nuclear can help in that timeframe, but gas supplies are less than we had thought.
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/fast-track-boost-renewable-electricity
        
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        October 29, 2024 2:13pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Ghost
        
        There is a big difference between ‘renewable’ energy and baseload energy. You cant run a reliable, affordable energy system with only Wind and Solar. No matter how many you build there will be shortages. The fast track helps construction and makes it easier to build BUT energy companies (and Luxon!) are focused solely on wind and solar.
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:51pm
      - Ghost
        
        5 of the projects are hydro
        
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        October 29, 2024 4:15pm
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      It requires a politician to start pointing out the positives of nuclear energy without saying the obvious. Just start the conversation and say that we should not rule it out because it is clean and cheap.
      
      Some of the Green parties in Europe have stated quite clearly that they are in favour. I think it was the Finnish Greens who came out clearly. You use this as your opening statement and that makes the haters stop because they don’t have an argument against that.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:25am
    - Burtland
      
      looks like AI is going to be powered by nuclear
      – could pose a moral dilemma for the greens
      they jumped the waka – maybe nuclear too
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:39am
    - RoboRob
      
      Seymour is sort of correct. However for 5% parties such as NZF and ACT supporting such a policy is a polical goldmine. These sorts of policy have been NZFs bread an butter.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Young guy Will Shackel has a webpage “Nuclear for Australia”
      He is getting the nuclear message out. Pity NZ lefties are just too thick.
      
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      October 29, 2024 3:28pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      I guess Microsoft and Amazon will do the heavy lifting re nuke power.
      
      Both investing UGE money in buying mini reactors to power the servers in the cloud farms.
      
      Sorry, Kamala, the computing power is not up there in the cloud!!! Its on the ground using gigawatts of electricity. Way more than a few million EVs
      
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      October 29, 2024 6:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Do you want him to lose votes? Oh I give up
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:59am
    - RoboRob
      
      You know, sometimes it would be good if governments did what was good for the country rather then just what was politically safe. You never know, people might even respect that and vote for it.
      
      At the worst, Luxon could fix our power infrastructure and set up NZ with a winning economic base and if he loses the next exlection that might still be better then not setting it up.
      
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      October 29, 2024 1:23pm
      - Fender
        
        think of the future as opposed to how to just win the next election,? hmmm
        leave your name as a legacy thats still talked about 40 years later rather than just another in a long line of pms. like your thinking, stand for something at least
        
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        October 29, 2024 2:03pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Fender
        
        Yup, Rob Multdoon might have been a terrible PM but his think big projects were immensely good for NZ. Without the Clyde dam we would be up shit creek now. Marsdon point was pretty damn handy and we see expensive CO2 and other issues now that we have lost it.
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:55pm
- Inandout
  
  Grunt, forgive the man. He has just returned from a conference being awash with climate bullshit about islands sinking. I think the facts don’t match with that. Those that hold nuclear as almost satanic will continue to make excuses for choosing unreliable wind and solar. I omit hydro because the greens have forbidden any more dams and thermal, gas and coal are akin to the axis of evil power sources.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:19am
- David Garrett
  
  Grunter: I happen to live on one of those Pacific atolls – and one of my clients is the Tonga Ports Authority, which has been monitoring sea levels for more than 20 years.
  
  When I last checked, the average sea level – it varies from year to year – is 3mm greater than it was 20 years ago. Whether that is because sea levels are rising or the Island itself is slumping for some reason is unknown.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:29am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    David
    
    The only PIs sinking is the Carteret Is near PNG.
    They are on the join of two tectonic plates and one is subducting under the other.
    
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    October 29, 2024 12:34pm
    - Paulus
      
      Like when the Miramar Peninsular came out of the Earthquake in 23rd January 1855.
      
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      October 29, 2024 1:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good luck with the first pm to say yes to nuclear power
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:55am
  - Fender
    
    yes would take a confident type that was thinking of doing the right thing over trying to please everybody and failing, we used to have such people in power, sadly no more
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:06pm
- Leonard
  
  NZ is a tiny nation which used to be industrious.
  
  In the last 4 to 5 decades it has declined due to a form of socialism in which any comment disagreeing with the ultra left is now termed ultra right.
  The present government is leftist as well, even Act can only be termed at best centrist.
  
  In this beautiful country there is no place for a race or religion based rules or laws. It causes serious problems if this continues.
  Yet we waste billions on promoting a race that doesn’t exist anymore, like the moa etc .
  Money could better spend on practical things
  
  In fact, NZ does not have a written constitution.
  In fact it does not think that everybody is equal, having the same rights and obligations.
  
  Look at the facts of what they, the politicians and their bureaucrats have achieved.
  Bottom of the OECD or near it , in infrastructure, education, health, productivity, just to name a few.
  No future there.
  
  Compared with the rest of the world, we don’t polute and are fairly clean, we could improve the environmental by assisting in the implementation of more solar installations, reduce plastic, reduce not needed immigration etc but instead we borough billions to pay our way in the climate debate.
  
  We have to change drastically but the population lacks the knowledge and pragmatism to do that.
  
  Just theoretical waffle now but ask yourself what positive achievements have been made in those decades past?
  
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  October 29, 2024 12:13pm
  - Fender
    
    umm we positioned our global location handily and made our dollar low to allow a rocket company to come here and setup on the cheap?
    we also allowed a couple of expensive films to be made here and we sent probably the first transgender weightlifter to a competition.
    we also lead in female captains of navy vessels it would appear.
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:13pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Those last two “achievements you mention – they – umm – hastened our course to the bottom.
      
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      October 29, 2024 5:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “NZ is a tiny nation which used to be industrious.”
    So what happened? Well some voted Labour. Yet to find someone who will admit to voting Labour.
    Come on – out yourselves you chickens!
    
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    October 29, 2024 4:10pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  IMHO gnats fence sitters in too many vital areas and largely macro-economy tweakers.
  
  Vote ACT or NZF if you want real change.
  
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  October 29, 2024 6:07pm
Yvette

• Former ACT leader Richard Prebble has been appointed as a new member of the Waitangi Tribunal.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/531819/former-act-leader-richard-prebble-appointed-to-waitangi-tribunal

• The basic criteria to meet so we can register your claim
1 The claimant(s) must be Māori and should specify whom they represent (such as their group, hapū, iwi)
https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/en/claims-process/about-the-claims-process/the-claims-process#RegisterYourClaim

ACT leader David Seymour said Prebble was exactly the sort of person who should be on the tribunal.
“ACT looks forward to his contributions in ensuring that the Treaty of Waitangi is interpreted and applied in a manner that reflects what it actually says, including the promise of the same rights and duties for all New Zealanders,” Seymour said.

While Willie Jackson and others work to decolonise various institutions, will Richard Preeble do anything about desegregating the Waitangi Tribunal?
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October 29, 2024 8:07am
- RoboRob
  
  Its amazing that an organisation setup to decide upon treaty settlement disputes between the govt and Maori, is explictly staffed by Maori. Conflict of interests anyone?
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:33am
- Justitia
  
  “Decolonization” in New Zealand’s case logically requires the binning of the Waitangi treaty, which led to the establishment of New Zealand as a colony. I’m all for it.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:35am
Bridgenag

How to Undermine America
A “Chat GPT” analysis

“The question posed was:

“If you were Satan and/or a long-term strategic enemy of the United States, what approach would you take to undermine the morale of American citizens, destroy their faith in God, and make them question their allegiance to their country?””

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/how-to-undermine-america?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 29, 2024 8:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  Good post B,
  The only thing I would add to it is the gradual degradation of the education system to make the public more susceptible to control.
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:21am
- redeye
  
  I asked perplexity.ai the same question. Here’s it’s reply.
  
  I will not provide suggestions or strategies for undermining a nation or its citizens’ values and beliefs, as that could promote harmful ideologies or activities. Instead, I would encourage focusing on positive ways to strengthen social cohesion, civic engagement, and ethical leadership within democratic societies. Perhaps we could have a thoughtful discussion about building trust, fostering civic virtue, or promoting constructive dialogue across differences in a pluralistic society.
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:48am
  - Jake Dee
    
    Flip the question.
    As defense is just offense in the opposite direction ask for how you could DEFEND against subversion and then run it in the opposite direction.
    
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    October 29, 2024 4:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Simplicity KiwiSaver are getting into apartment building, big time. The ones they’ve developed to date are three story; but the ones to come are eight story. The artist’s impression looks just a little Stalinist in architecture; still, that may appeal to prospective tenants.

I can see the Build to Rent Remuera property being popular with people wanting to get their kids into the Grammar zones. Those schools should be planning for influx.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/28/construction-of-300-build-to-rent-houses-in-auckland-set-to-begin/

https://www.simplicityliving.kiwi
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October 29, 2024 8:09am
- artemisia
  
  Resido, new build-to-rent complex near Sylvia Park up and running. Studio apartments $630 pw. Amenities differ of course but that’s well above usual studio apartment rent. And a recent report from Trademe that rental vacancies are ‘skyrocketing’.
  
  While BTR complexes are for renters, some may be surprised to find the management and occupiers not at all tolerant of antisocial behaviour, rent arrears or damage.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:19am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – are these apartments to be sold or rented?
  
  I would not want my KiwiSaver dosh going into rental apartments which have the potential to be high risk medium to low return rentals.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:34am
  - artemisia
    
    Rented not sold, aimed at long term renters. Security for renters and (they hope) stable income flow.
    
    I think there is a market segment for good long term renters, even at a premium rent, but actually those tenants are usually top of any landlord’s list anyway.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:40am
- Colville
  
  NeverMind…
  When you say “big time” their model is limited to a couple of cities and very close to rail and they refuse to look at anything else. So really not big time at all.
  
  But to give them credit they are doing that one thing very well (using cheap credit for build to rent)
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:40am
  - Handyman
    
    Their credit is cheaper than free.
    Simplicity uses people’s KiwiSaver cash to build apartment buildings. There is no requirement for annual interest or dividend cash returns.
    
    Assuming the apartments are well let, you can expect a future cash stream into the KiwiSaver fund roughly in line with inflation (as rents tend to track).
    
    In the medium term Simplicity can report an annual increase in assert value in their funds, unbothered by cashflow considerations.
    In the long term there are also risks:
    1. People retire and withdraw their KiwiSaver funds, so some of the complexes need to be sold for ready cash.
    2. The concept is wildly successful and many competitors enter the market.
    3. The concept is averagely successful and bit by bit the apartments are rented to Kainga Ora, driving out regular folk and creating tower slums.
    
    I think of it as the private sector Kainga Ora. It will be interesting comparing the total cost per renter (and their happiness) with those of the state equivalent.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:57am
    - pdm
      
      `Their credit is cheaper than free.’
      
      Not to mention the LOST OPPORTUNITY COST.
      
      Which to my mind is not having the funds invested in well managed International Managed Funds while building etc is happening.
      
      Personally I would have no interest in this Simplicity plan.
      
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      October 29, 2024 12:40pm
      - RoboRob
        
        The property stuff is a small portion of most of their portfolios. Looking at most fund providers, some of it is diversified into Bonds, property etc. Property might be a significantly better investment then government bonds etc.
        
        Diversification (supposedly) = good
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:30pm
- Paulus
  
  I remain susceptible about the aspirations of Simplicity and its Leader, who the media love.
  Low cost and Ethical living – sounds like a real Greenie !
  He is not but a publicity seeker.
  Look at his results for Kiwisaver.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:40am
  - Colville
    
    susceptible
    
    🙂
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Noah’s wife left the stove on.

https://babylonbee.com/news/noahs-wife-has-sinking-feeling-she-left-the-stove-on?
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October 29, 2024 8:09am
All_on_Red

I though Non Citizens weren’t allowed to vote?
‘The Commonwealth of Virginia asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Sunday to allow state election officials to remove roughly 1,600 “self-identified” noncitizens from the voter rolls before Election Day.
The emergency application for stay asks the nation’s highest court to effectively pause a Sunday decision by the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. That ruling upheld a Friday decision by a Biden-appointed district court judge….The three-judge panel for the 4th Circuit was comprised of all Democrat appointees.’
‘…the governor revealed the state had removed 6,303 noncitizens from Virginia’s voter rolls from January 2022 to July 2024.’
https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/28/virginia-asks-scotus-to-allow-removal-of-1600-self-identified-noncitizens-from-the-voter-rolls/
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October 29, 2024 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Non Citizens are not allowed to vote. Neither are dead people, fictitious people, or children, but they do. Then some vote anything from twice to ten times. Also vote in other States.
  One common thing – they are all Democrat votes.
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:19am
  - G152
    
    Well if they didn’t ‘vote’ the democrats would never getbin
    
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    October 29, 2024 8:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    Democrats can also cheat by burning ballot boxes in conservative counties.
    https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1850954540968763502
    
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    October 29, 2024 8:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lots of dumpster fires coming up.
      
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      October 29, 2024 9:24am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Didn’t we get that here too? Can’t we return to voting on the day or you miss out….
    
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    October 29, 2024 12:17pm
igm

New Zealand voted for an end to this rubbish:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360467034/large-gang-gathering-wellington-public-warned
Come on [Mod – just use his proper name]. Luxon, what in hell is going on?
Why should taxpayers, business operators, in fact anyone, be told to change personal or business plans to accommodate these unemployable blights on society.
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October 29, 2024 8:13am
- igm
  
  Sorry about name infringement, I meant it state “Te Reo Speaking Luxon”, but inadvertently omitted “Speaking”.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Looking forward to Luxon’s first speech in Te Reo/Maori – without notes or teleprompter.
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:41pm
Matt Long

I bet this gets a lot of air time in the MSM.
A groundbreaking new study has found that CO2 “may have little to no further warming effect” on the Earth’s atmosphere.
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1850649559640285645
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October 29, 2024 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those with skin in the game will shut it down.
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:23am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Modern woke science, like political polling, is not about taking measurements, creating reports and graphs.
    
    It is about deciding what the graphs or outcomes should look like for maximum financial or political gain, and cooks the stats.
    
    I mean, c’mon. They tell us with all certainty that in 1750, the earth was emitting 9.31 million tonnes of CO2, Is that net or gross? What margin of error?
    
    How many ships were used to travel the world to um er count burning dung piles and weigh the coal and wood that everyone put on their fire.
    
    And how did they measure the cow farts back then?
    
    Do the graphs show a spike in production every time there was a world fair, with people steaming from all over the world? No.
    
    Do the graphs show a marked dip in production after 1886, when Niagara Falls Power Station went into production, replacing neighbourhood coal powered electricity with 78MW of clean hydro power? No.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:15am
- [email protected]
  
  That post states that “the Earth’s atmosphere already contains over 6 kg/m² of CO2”.
  
  Right there are two errors. Should be /m3 not /m2 and a cubic meter of air weighs a total of about 1.29 kg.
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:28am
  - NothingLeft
    
    No they are correct. 6kg/m² means in the column above each meter squared of the earths surface there is a total of 6kg of Co2 in the roughly 10000kg of air.
    
    And at standard sea level conditions of 101325Pa and 15°C air has a density of 1.225kg/m³
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:16am
  - Spam
    
    Without reading the study, in context it may be correct. If you are looking at the influence of CO2 on radiative forcing, then radiative forcing is measured in W/m² – i.e. an area-based measurement. What they may be saying is that if you take a 1 m² area and extend that as a rectangular prism from the ground to the top of the atmosphere (~10,000,000m?), the mass of atmosphere contained within this would include 6kg of CO2.
    
    This makes sense, because radiative forcing doesn’t depend on what the composition of 1m³ of atmosphere is; it depends on the composition of the entire stack.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:20am
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    With no comment on the veracity of the article, I assume the 6kg/m2 is a superficial measurement, relating to the surface of the earth, rather than the volume of atmosphere.
    Otherwise, yes, it would be complete tosh.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    NothingLeft is correct.
    
    Each mole of gas at standard temperature and pressure is approx 22 litres. Each cubic metre of gas holds about 45 moles. A mole of pure CO2 has the mass of approx 12 + 2 x 16 = 12 + 32 = 44 grams.
    So 1 cubic metre of CO2 gas would be approx 44 x 45 = 1980 grams. Less than 2kg.
    
    The weight of the atmosphere above 1 square metre is approximately 100,000 N, so approx 10, 000 kg per square metre. Of that CO2 is only a very small portion.
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:48pm
- kowtow
  
  I wasn’t aware that Mike King was a climate activist.
  A bigly news story today is his e bike theft and recovery .
  
  ‘Join Mike as he rides an electric motorbike on a 5,000-km journey around Aotearoa, speaking to local communities about the important issues of mental health and climate change.
  
  Help create positive change today.’
  
  No thanks .
  
  https://www.iamhope.org.nz/ride
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:29am
  - John Loveridge
    
    He lost me at “Aotearoa”.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:06am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Maybe he could ride it around new Zealand.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He would get a lot more support.
      
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      October 29, 2024 9:31am
  - Ghost
    
    Although he is right, climate change is taking a huge toll on youths mental health. Some youth have been taught to believe the end of world if coming, they’ve been left scared and hopeless by teachers, social media influencers, msm, politicians, little annoying girls who travel the world hyping it up. It’s a mental health issue that needs addressing. Good on Mike, unlike many he actually gets out there and tries to make a difference and help those with mental health problems.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Although he is right, climate change is taking a huge toll on youths mental health..”
      
      Is it really? On some no doubt, but how many? For every climate depressed teen, I would wager there are twice as many who don’t know anything about anything except for the latest rap music hits.
      
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      October 29, 2024 9:27am
      - Ghost
        
        Which is why I wrote some youths.
        
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        October 29, 2024 9:30am
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        When I was a teenager, the only environmental thing that worried me was quicksand (maybe watching too much fantasy island haha 😜)
        
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        October 29, 2024 10:02am
      - pdm
        
        Close Hen.
        
        Or if the river water was cold enough to keep our beer cool on summer days.
        
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        October 29, 2024 12:43pm
      - cmm
        
        BY: If I remember correctly you are a childless person and are thus forgiven for being unaware of the completely ridiculous fearmongering happening in schools.
        
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        October 29, 2024 2:55pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “BY: If I remember correctly you are a childless person and are thus forgiven for being unaware of the completely ridiculous fearmongering happening in schools.”
        
        You don’t know anything about me.
        
        I have four children.
        
        I have worked at the Ministry of Education on three occasions, including for three years as a senior manager.
        
        So yes I know the problem with schools.
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:04pm
    - cmm
      
      “climate change is taking a huge toll on youths mental health”
      
      No, it is the climate change fear that is causing mental health issues. Whether that fear is justified or not is another story.
      
      There is a constant barrage of:
      * every time you eat meat or turn on the light you’re killing a polar bear.
      * everyone will starve to death in 50 years.
      * the world will catch fire…
      etc etc
      
      0.1 degree change is not actually causing mental health issues.
      
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      October 29, 2024 2:53pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It is about 15 times more than 0.1 degrees.
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:04pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I went to the event in Hamilton yesterday. Mike is a good guy and gave me the mike after and I told him and the audience including the mayor that while humans may cause a little warming there is no climate emergency. I also said that politicians including Luxon are responsible for the mental health of these young people who are distressed over climate alarmism.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:15am
    - kowtow
      
      How did the assembly react ?
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:14am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Everyone was friendly as Mike stated he is a strong advocate of free speech. He said people should be able to disagree and still be friends. Mike is a nice guy but knows nothing about science like whats her name the mayor.
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:32pm
      - kowtow
        
        Chuck
        
        How did they react to you.
        
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        October 29, 2024 4:37pm
    - Jack5
      
      Or, or … Green doom by climate change is just a religion-free population’s apocalypticism.
      
      The end of the world is nigh mob have been around from centuries and centuries.
      
      Just a flaw in the human brain.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mike has jumped the shark.
    He is doing good work with the mentally ill, why is he now trying to tell us the weather is our fault?
    That makes me sad!!!
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:27am
- G152
  
  And be beneficial to all plant life
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:35am
- JackRabbit
  
  It has been calculated that CO2 levels increase at the rate of 0.7% of the increase in CO2 emissions.
  
  All due to the feedback loop of more CO2 uptake in plants with greater CO2 concentrations.
  
  And at 415ppm plant CO2>O2 efficiency is low compared to the rate at which plants convert CO2>O2 at 1200ppm CO2. Which is the sweet spot.
  
  This can be compared to the sweet spot of MPG in a car. MPG efficiency peaks at around 50 – 60 MPH ( 80 -96kph) (depending on car make/model and temperature) and drops off due to air pressure.
  
  Granted, always good to reduce CO2 emissions / air pollution, but not when doing so kills people.
  The climate change evangalists is like driving with your Mother-In-Law in the back seat screaming every time you exceed 40km/hr on the open road “Slow done Albert, going faster uses more fuel.”
  “Well of course it does you old bat, but at an increased efficiency.”
  
  Most stats have been cooked in nay case.
  
  Supposedly scientists have time machines and can go back in time and measure CO2 emissions before the time of Christ. But they fail to mention if these were net or gross emissions.
  
  Perhaps they calculated the average number of donkeys farting.
  
  [Mod – fixed]
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:59am
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    Thanks Mod.
    
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    October 29, 2024 3:02pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Its difficult to believe CO2 has any affect at all on atmospheric temperature.
  It is much more dense(1.9kg/m3) than air(1.2kg/m3), therefore the chances of it being an appreciable distance above the ground and able to enhance the water vapour thermal blanket is extremely unlikely.
  Its proximity to the ground works very well for plants, coincidentally !
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am not a scientist, but I have heard this argument on and off for the last two decades.
  
  IIRC it is bunk. It misunderstands how the radiative forcing effect of co2 works. When heat radiates from the earth, it passes through successive layers of the atmosphere. These layers become thinner and thinner until the heat just passes right through back into space. It is these upper layers that are affected by relatively small increases in co2. This study did not replicate those effects, at least on a browse through.
  
  I am never part of the “science is settled” crowd, but I would not get carried away about this study. It is nothing new I was reading that stuff in 2002.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:18am
  - Taieri
    
    When heat radiates from the earth, it passes through successive layers of the atmosphere.
    ————
    
    But, doesn’t the solar heat have to pass through the very same layers of the atmosphere before it reaches Earth?
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:30am
    - Spam
      
      Reflected light has a different wavelength.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Can you tell us how the CO2 gets to the upper atmoshere?
    It is heavier than air.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:43am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Who is this “us”? Do you mean “me”?
      
      It is called gas diffusion. You can google it. Gases in the atmosphere do not behave like liquids. The air that you breathe in is diffuse. You don’t get a layer of ‘heavy’ Co2 hugging the earth’s surface.
      
      Anyway, This whole line of questioning is futile. Focus on the madness of climate change policies rather than questioning whether climate change is real. It is real. It is caused by anthropogenic release of Co2, and a handful of other gases. It is as simple as that. Barring some Galileo Galilei level break through, it is not worth debating, certainly not on the basis of bunk such as ‘Co2 is saturated in the atmosphere’ or even worse, ‘C02 sinks to the ground’. It is a waste of time and energy. However I know that it has gripped many commenters here. That and the COVID vaccines. Why, I may never understand.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:27am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Fill a balloon with CO2 and show it go upwards.
        
        “climate change is real. It is real. It is caused by anthropogenic release of Co2, and a handful of other gases. It is as simple as that.”
        
        Making declaratory statements is meaningless unless the aim is to make declaratory statements.
        
        You seem to believe things according to the quantitative level of consensus of opinion.
        You refer to Galileo, there’s a good example of a minority of thought being correct.
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:39am
      - NothingLeft
        
        mostly true, though there is some stratification of heavier and lighter gases – like hydrogen and helium in the thermosphere and inert xenon seems to be low abundance (around 10% of expected) suggesting it has settled into the earth’s crust /mantle. But density of CO2 is not much different to nitrogen and oxygen, so is well mixed in atmosphere.
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:13pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nothing,
        “But density of CO2 is not much different to nitrogen and oxygen, so is well mixed in atmosphere.”
        Doesn’t work that way.
        Many assume that gases or vapours, are in some way a homogeneous mix. Not true. Molecules of a higher density will always be below molecules of a lesser density. How would they get above them?
        As Scotty would say “Ye’ cannae change the laws ‘o physics Cap’n”
        
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        October 29, 2024 1:47pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        If the atmosphere was quiescent then yes, gradually it would stratify, but owing to never ending convective mixing there is near-zero variation in CO2 concentration up to the top of the stratosphere at 50km, aside from around local surface sinks and sources. I’d be interested if you could cite a credible source that says any different, but the realities of continual atmospheric mixing (below the thermosphere) vastly overwhelm diffusion and make near-perfect mixing a certainty.
        
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        October 29, 2024 2:15pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nothinleft,
        Yes, that’s a good point. I didn’t think that convection and pressure difference was enough to lift the CO2 above low levels but it seems they are and, as you say, the concentration tend to a base level concentration.
        Acknowledgement to Benenedict also.
        
        With that being so, how much would the CO2 level emissions from ground level have to increase to move the baseline high altitude concentration.
        The graph appears asymptotic, would a large increase in CO2 result in minimal or no increase in high altitude concentration. Maybe we are at saturation point.
        
        https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/16364/what-is-the-co2-concentration-by-altitude-and-why
        
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        October 29, 2024 4:01pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        CO2 concentration will change in lockstep throughout the whole atmosphere from sea level to stratosphere, high altitude mixing times to sea level are I believe on order of months.
        
        So if you have an increase at ground level it will show up at high levels within months at most.
        
        Oceans can slow it down, they hold something like 50x atmospheric CO2 dissolved in water. But Co2 ocean residence and turnover times via thermo-Haline circulation and tropical upwelling are on the order of hundreds of Millenia, so it takes a long long time to reach equilibrium with the atmosphere.
        
        I think the radiative physics side of CO2 in the atmosphere is pretty well founded, the math is feasible to calculate, and I think decently accurate at this point.
        
        But clouds and phase changing water physics + convective processes in atmosphere (and their interactions with radiation). The dreaded ‘water feedbacks’ are on the other hand very rough approximations, certainly not capable of reaching ±0.1% accuracies needed to be useful for climate prediction. Their models are comically crude, fallaciously post-hoc ergo propter hoc fits using a number of fiddle factors and failing the basic rule of parsimony in mathematical modelling (really just occams razor restated). Even if we had supercomputers trillions of times faster than current we would not be able to model the atmosphere accurately do to high non-linearity of myriad interacting processes and small length scales needed.
        
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        October 29, 2024 4:43pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Actually, the warming effect from CO2 (such as it is) occurs at _lower_ altitudes…
    From our AI friend, ChatGPT…
    
    “Most of the warming effect from CO₂ occurs at lower altitudes, particularly in the troposphere, where the majority of Earth’s weather and climate dynamics happen. CO₂ absorbs infrared radiation emitted from the Earth’s surface and re-emits it in all directions, including back down toward the surface, creating a warming effect known as the greenhouse effect.
    
    At higher altitudes, particularly in the stratosphere, the effect of CO₂ is different. Here, increased CO₂ levels can actually lead to cooling, as CO₂ becomes more effective at radiating heat into space rather than trapping it. This cooling effect at high altitudes contrasts with the warming in the troposphere, which is why the warming effect of CO₂ is most pronounced closer to Earth’s surface.”
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:26pm
- slijmbal
  
  Schoolboy physics really – electromagnetic absorption frequently is asymptotic for a specific molecule i.e. it is not a linear relationship and doubling density does not double absorption. The question is where on the curve is CO2.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:00am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yep I’ve mentioned before that a number of heavyweights in atmospheric physics including a Nobel Laureate have done the math on this and concluded a doubling of Co2 in the atmosphere will have approx less than 1C warming effect on average global temps.
  
  So boiled down the “warming” effects of Co2 (and other human emitted GHGs) will cause a slow incremental and virtually unnoticeable effect we can easily adapt to if we don’t trash our economies with the lethally idiotic pipe dreams of wind and solar being able to replace our current incredibly net-beneficial energy sources.
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:03pm
ChristopherW2

This is a fairly long article about the Australian drug regulator’s response to scientific claims that batches of Covid vaccines were contaminated with DNA:
https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/addressing-allegations-that-dna-contamination

From the introduction:
“Following increased public interest in the issue of excessive synthetic DNA contamination in the modified RNA (mod-RNA) Covid vaccines, Australia’s drug regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) issued a statement alleging that the scientific evidence of the contamination is invalid, and that online reporting of the issue is “misinformation.”

This statement contains false and misleading claims, but does not contain any evidence to refute the contamination findings and implications. Nevertheless, the TGA’s statement has been quoted by media and politicians to dismiss the evidence of contamination. Therefore, it is important to address the false and misleading claims made by the TGA….”
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October 29, 2024 8:18am
- JackRabbit
  
  Therefore, it is important to address the false and misleading claims made by the TGA….”
  
  When they don’t have evidence, they resort to debunking.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What does “contaminated with DNA” actually mean?
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:20am
  - MCōs
    
    Dad injected Mum with Irish DNA contaminated with English or vice versa depending on your point of view
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:35am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And I’m pretty sure if someone she didn’t know “injected her” by mandates / bullying / blackmail / threats of losing her job, it would be in the criminal court.
      
      Yet here we are, after 4 years, people have died, been injured, had miscarriages, suffered serious trauma, some even committed suicide, and no-one is being held to account.
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:14am
  - Phronesis
    
    This is an excellent explanation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Qs166xR28
    
    From a regulatory point of view what happened was a standard was applied that failed to account for an important difference in formulation that made that standard invalid. It’s a very real problem that will no doubt be addressed in future RNA vaccine approvals.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:22am
  - ChristopherW2
    
    DNA is used in the manufacturing of RNA, but is considered dangerous because it can get into human cells and, among other things, cause cancer.
    The article explains that this particularly the case with the Lipids used in the Covid Vax (apparently).
    
    The scandal was the huge lack of testing by the regulator, followed by attempts to smear scientists who had actually tested various batches of vaccines.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:35am
Sparrow

Yesterday bloggers were discussing school meals as a follow up to that suggest following.
If I am correct the contract has been given to the Compass Group a huge UK multi billion dollar company. This company has suffered many scandals over the years. Suggest bloggers look this company up. If I have the correct company another Serco. It seems once again our hard earned taxes are supporting a dubious foreign company to save a few dollars.
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October 29, 2024 8:23am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Sparrow, the real solution is to get rid of school lunches all together. That would save 100% of the cost. And then the mums and dad’s can make sure their kids get the food they want to feed them.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:36am
- cmm
  
  I can understand, to some extent, feeding of little kids when the parents are drug-addled incompetents and kids would starve if their parents did not feed them.
  
  I can also understand feeding of kids where it is part of a program teaching nutrition and having the kids involved in food preparation etc. I believe Japan, France and Norway do this.
  
  But what I do not understand are hand-out feeding schemes for teenagers. Nonsense. Kids this age are perfectly capable of making their own food.
  
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  October 29, 2024 3:01pm
Matt Long

National’s sensible reading policies bear fruit. Zero holiday road deaths to last night.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532120/labour-weekend-road-toll-still-at-zero-as-holiday-winds-down
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October 29, 2024 8:33am
- MCōs
  
  That’s what some might read into it
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:53am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Or road into it.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:11am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    For once will agree with you Mr Cos. Always foolish and unwise to claim the credit for something you cannot control – the next horrific long weekend will also be pinned on you.
    
    Correlation is not causation. Far more likely a country in recession and a bad weather weekend kept a whole lot of discretionary travel off the roads.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:16am
    - kowtow
      
      yep , it’s utterly ridiculous to claim credit .
      
      Who then is responsible when the country has an “horrific” toll . No one takes credit for that .
      
      The weather was shit and people stayed home . And/or randomness .
      
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      October 29, 2024 12:20pm
    - Swifty
      
      I agree.
      
      It’s just luck, in my view.
      
      If the cops, or pollies, take credit this time, they expose themselves to taking the blame next time the numbers go south.
      
      If it were me I’d be saying “Well done to New Zealanders who drove safely this weekend” and next holiday when 5 or 8 or 10 die you would say “What a pity that some New Zealanders did not drive safely…”
      
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      October 29, 2024 12:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Shit weather, people stay home
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:23am
  - Conservatarian
    
    I drove from Hamilton to the southern Coromandel early Friday afternoon and back yesterday late afternoon. The roads were chocka both ways.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:16am
    - peterwn
      
      Just think what it would have been like with the old one lane bridge with traffic lights.
      
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      October 29, 2024 2:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Bloody Kopu bridge. 1990s. Hours, and we were going to my parent’s place in Thames ffs.
        Left the Shore at 5am on a Labour weekend. Got there just before lunchtime.
        Same will happen in Auckland. The Harbour Bridge crossing will not improve until the traffic is banked up from Whangarei or Hamilton in the south.
        Wrong?
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:49pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The most likely explanation is “luck”.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct. Luck, chaos and random are sometimes the reason.
    But can you see the police saying “we were lucky this weekend”?
    No, instead they tell us something didn’t happen because of their policy and the statement they apparently doubled patrols.
    If that were the case then wouldn’t they have the “double patrols” operating every day?
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    I like randomisation of data better.
    However there are now very safe roads from Warkworth to Cambridge and Wellington almost to Levin. So National’s policies are having an impact.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:09am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Was a police blitz against dickhead drivers announced before hand, and lots of cops visible on the roads?
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:07pm
Scooter

This is an interesting interview on the Leighton Smith podcast with Patrick Bashim. From 54 minutes he explains how Wokeism and Political Correctness arose in America and spread to other countries including NZ. Basically after WW2 people’s wealth increased, in the 80’s and 90’s Capitalism became a problem in that what do you do next if you are living comfortably? Intellectuals in general started coming up with wacky ideas eg the planet dying, social justice etc. There maybe a major shift needed to change this trajectory like a war or did COVID in a way change peoples view of how governments control and influence people’s life.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/
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October 29, 2024 8:36am
MCōs

I see Tommy Robinson is off to prison again; this time for eighteen months for contempt of court.
I wonder if he actually believes what he spouts on about or is he just a loud mouth who likes the attention?
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October 29, 2024 8:49am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Given that Muslim gangs in prisons have promised to kill him, I would suggest that he might believe in what he stands for – the personal cost to him and his family has been immense.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:17am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Agree. However Starlin is releasing dangerous prisoners to make way for British people who speak out in defense of their country!
    And people criticise the Russians …
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:50am
    - MCōs
      
      Who’s “Starlin”?
      
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      October 29, 2024 11:35am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Stalmers brother
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:48am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Comrade Kier I believe.
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:10pm
  - MCōs
    
    He’s been in prison several times already and he’s still standing
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:50am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Because he gets held in solitary.
      
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      October 29, 2024 9:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        That’s correct. He lost a lot of weight as he could only eat tinned food as the muslims were threatening to poison him. While the guards looked on and smirked. Pricks
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:01am
      - MCōs
        
        So he’s being protected from people who are not a lot different from himself
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14011635/Tommy-Robinson-held-segregation-protection.html
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘So he’s being protected from people who are not a lot different from himself’
        
        How did you get that? He is in Prison for a Civil Matter not a Crime of violence
        ‘Former prison governor Ian Acheson said the decision where to put Robinson would be a ‘real headache’ for the prison service.
        
        ‘You have someone who would not be considered an escape risk, hasn’t been convicted for a crime of violence and has been found guilty of breaking a civil restriction, so normally he could be put in open conditions,’ he said. ‘
        
        You really have some comprehension issues
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:43pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The UK is receiving the very bitter medicine of not enough people getting up off their dumb/lazy/indifferent backsides to vote.
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:13pm
    - slijmbal
      
      I suspect Robinson has a mix of drivers. Speculating (and yes just speculating) Probably a bit racist, likes the adulation and has a (not unreasonable) issue with high levels of Muslim immigration from more fundamentalist Islam countries. He sees it as a cause and like most ideologists has no common sense. He wants to be a martyr to the cause as it increases adulation and increases the profile of the cause and does stupid stuff to forward both. Probably convinced himself his ‘sacrifices’ are worth it if it helps the cause.
      
      Unfortunately, he can be held up as an example of anti-Islam and makes it more difficult to have a more rational conversation about the issue.
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:38am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Robinsons beef is Muslim Gangs!
        Nothing to do with being anti muslim.
        
        Sort of like being against Black power/Mongrel mobs but not against Maori.
        
        Triggered by them(Muslim Gangs) grooming and gang raping young English girls.
        
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        October 29, 2024 6:30pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      MCos you can’t even do an 18 day stretch of no commenting let alone an 18 month stretch in Solitary.
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:53am
- NothingLeft
  
  He reports on the stories the UK govt doesn’t want discussed because it puts lie to their narratives – like Pakistani rape gangs etc. This makes him public enemy number one for the far-left civil service blob who are far more concerned about someone critical of their delusional and destructive immigration agendas re importing millions of non-integrating young men from misogynistic cultures than thousands of vulnerable pubescent girls being raped.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:23am
  - Conservatarian
    
    He’s an Enemy of the State in the UK because he loves Britain, not the “Britain for the non-British” envisaged by the Dark Lord Tony Blair and carried out by all iterations of UK governments since.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Are we supposed to know who he is?
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:24am
  - MCōs
    
    Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon
    aka
    Andrew McMaster
    Paul Harris
    Wayne King
    Stephen Lennon
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:52am
    - Inandout
      
      MC, very many Hollywood actors adopted stage names over their birth ones. Nothing new here.
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:38am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Tell us you have no interest in, or knowledge of, UK politics without telling us etc etc.
    
    MCos – he’s done extended interviews with both Jordan Peterson and Gad Saad, wherein you might find your answer.
    
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    October 29, 2024 9:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    ” Are we supposed to know who he is? ”
    
    Who is we?
    Speak for yourself, don’t try to infer you represent others.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Are you having an especially bad morning? 🙂
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:55am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes. We are!
        
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        October 29, 2024 11:02am
      - Interested Party
        
        I think it’s a // reference to your earlier pedantic us vs me comment
        
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        October 29, 2024 12:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    There is a vast world of interesting commentary outside the MSM (Marxist Shite Media).
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:18pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Yes Bene, he is internationally known.
    A simple google search will find him
    
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    October 29, 2024 6:31pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  What, exactly, does he spout about MCos?
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:38am
- Paulus
  
  Free food and lodgings !
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:45am
sirknz

Talk about grasping at straw.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/how-ngati-porous-dr-stella-clarke-invented-bmws-colour-changing-cars/PBTYWAIVRFGLTP6RXC43EJKJZY/

Born and grew up in Australia, spent a few summers here, somehow her maori wonderfulness is the only reason why she is on the world stage…
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October 29, 2024 8:51am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Like so many here in NZ sirknz, she looks more Cornwall than Gisborne.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:42am
- rjay
  
  Ngati porous? Did they let the liquid get in?
  
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  October 29, 2024 1:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sensible Sentencing Trust petition last day.
The Government’s Three Strikes 2.0 Bill.

https://www.stop3strikessellout.nz/
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October 29, 2024 9:11am
- Joely Doe
  
  Wierd?
  No submit button on the email page
  Or is it just me?
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is no submit. I thought there would be.
    I had an email with a petition template on it which I have sent. I thought is would be in that link.
    
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    October 29, 2024 12:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      This is what I received:
      To make it easier, we have written a template submission that you can copy and paste into the Government’s submission form (with or without your own additional comments).
      
      It only takes a few minutes to use Parliament’s web form and copy the submission below. Your effort means that the voice of victims is included and could make all the difference to what the final law looks like.
      
      Dear Committee,
      
      I support the passing of the Sentencing (Reform) Amendment Bill, however, I recommend the following changes in order to strengthen the reforms and further address the increasingly activist behaviour of New Zealand’s judiciary.
      
      In a general sense, the greater the discounts given to an offender, the greater the justice system recognises the rights of the offender, over victims. Victims should always be the priority of the justice system. This piece of legislation must reflect that.
      
      Specific changes, I believe the Committee should make are:
      
      1. The 40 percent sentence discount limit should be separated into two parts that are not interchangeable:
      
      Up to 25 percent discount for an early guilty plea, with a sliding scale (as proposed); and
      
      Up to 15 percent discount for all other mitigating factors
      
      If these factors are not separated, an offender who does not plead guilty would:
      
      Be able to receive up to 40 per cent discount for other mitigating factors
      
      Be incentivised to NOT plead guilty and take their chances at trial
      
      Which would see victims unnecessarily re-victimised by having to give evidence at trial
      
      2. Discounts for youth should be limited to 10 percent and be on a sliding scale like guilty pleas are proposed to be (a 25 year old should not be able to receive the length of discount an 18 year old can).
      
      The age of the offender does not change the loss or harm suffered by the victim. Youth is a factor worthy of a discount, but should not be excessive.
      
      3. Discounts for an offender’s upbringing, background or “cultural factors” should be limited to 5 percent. Again, a deprived upbringing may be worthy of a discount, but should not be excessive.
      
      4. Use of “Discharge without conviction” and other unjust sentencing outcomes by judges to avoid the increased sentences this Bill proposes, should be prevented. The Regulatory Impact Statement (RIS) provided by the Ministry of Justice indicates that this may be an expected response by judges.
      
      The Sentencing (Reform) Amendment Bill is a step in the right direction, but the Government has a mandate from New Zealanders to take much more impactful action. A majority New Zealanders support tough on crime approaches to law and order. Now is the time to take meaningful action, not tentative half-measures.
      
      Thank you for your consideration.
      
      Unfortunately, Parliament does not want to accept emailed submissions (so much for making it easy!). 🤦
      
      To file the submission, use Parliament’s online form here (cut and paste our suggested wording, and feel free to change as you wish): https://www.parliament.nz/en/ECommitteeSubmission/54SCJUST_SCF_0831643F-2BD5-4569-A72B-08DCD608CAEE/CreateSubmission
      
      Thanks for your time and for standing up for victims of crime.
      
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      October 29, 2024 12:53pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Same here, though I am using a probably somewhat rare crap-blocking setup.
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:22pm
Jade Warrior

Morning all – while waiting at the traffic lights this morning where Lambton Quay morphs into Molesworth St, I couldn’t help but notice a long line of vehicles stretching out beyond the cenotaph to Bolton St. I was wondering what the cause of all the traffic was when all of a sudden I looked to the right …

What on earth has happened to Molesworth St? Instead of the easily comprehensible two-lane arrangement with car parks on either side, the street has become a chaotic arrangement of cycleways, car parks sitting out in the middle of the road (by the High Court), and a bus lane with standard traffic reduced to just a single lane.

In other words, Molesworth St has become a total mess – and all it seems to have done is just clog up the streets of Wellington with more traffic. And of course I didn’t see a cyclist anywhere.

If this is what Tory has planned for us with the “Golden Mile” then Wellington is in serious trouble.
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October 29, 2024 9:19am
- Conservatarian
  
  Golden shower, not a golden mile
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Going all the way back to the Island Bay cycleway fiasco, all this destruction is fueled by these folk having a hatred of cars. Julie Anne Genter and the Wellington mayor are the best examples. The chaos in Molesworth Street is not a side effect. That is their intention.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  JW, worry not because the Minister has installed a Wellington council watcher, much like you are watching.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:48am
- slijmbal
  
  Not limited to Wellington. Auckland CBD is now a fixed 30 km/hr limit (with 3 exceptions) even in areas with no pedestrians and they keep adding very short bus lanes that just have the effect of limiting normal traffic to a single lane but have no obvious effect on bus travel times. Reducing the speed of car travel because they can.
  
  However, hard to ruin Auckland CBD further after years of decline that really took off in the 2nd half of the 2010s. Homeless\beggars on Queen Street, violence, continuous measures to reduce traffic and kill off local businesses, effects from the works for the underground train white elephant etc etc.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Dunedin city centre too.
    
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    October 29, 2024 12:15pm
  - Eastlander
    
    A limit that nobody pays the slightest attention to, not even the police. Transport bureaucrats don’t seem to realise that if you set a reasonable speed limit most people will follow it, but if you set an absurd one people will just ignore it and drive at whatever speed they feel like, which might be faster than they would have done if you had set a reasonable limit in the first place.
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:12pm
  - Grunter
    
    Main Street of Dunedin is now a 10km/hr one-way playground with 5 min carparks on each side. Paved in wishy-washy grey pavers. Our latest woke Mayor thinks it’s great (after campaigning on being against the one-way street).
    
    Every now and then Grant Robertson takes a ride on the $600k see-saws and they need to be repaired…..
    
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    October 29, 2024 3:37pm
imalwaysright

This is good, the cops are moonlighting as event planners again- another gathering of a criminal gang having a day out on the back of a funeral.

The NZ Gang Event Planner Association (formerly NZ police) have advised the law abiding citizens, who pay their wages, to expect disruption and “plan accordingly”. Which is meaningless as they haven’t published their Event Schedule.

How about the criminal gang expect disruption and police enforce the law.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532154/gang-funeral-being-monitored-by-police-in-lower-hutt-porirua
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October 29, 2024 9:29am
Taieri

If this is what Tory has planned for us with the “Golden Mile” then Wellington is in serious trouble.
———–

“Planned” is not the word I would use when talking about anything connected with the Wellington mayor…
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October 29, 2024 9:33am
- peterwn
  
  She is too thick to appreciate that she would just turn the Golden Mile into a ghost town. All these ‘artists impressions’ showing a vibrant area with people milling around are just balony. It would be more honest if it depicted half the shops with ‘to lease’ signs in the windows.
  I think the new Crown Observer will need to take her aside for a wee chat.
  
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  October 29, 2024 2:18pm
Ghost

A senior police officer accused of having a sexualised online conversation with a 12 year-old girl, and saving a topless picture of her, wants to keep his name secret.

Sorry, what? You shouldn’t have a job with the police anymore

In his affidavit, the man said if his name was published his employment with the police would be “untenable”.

Article
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October 29, 2024 9:50am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I’d suggest ‘untenable’ it already is.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:01am
- sirknz
  
  It should be untenable right now.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You think he should lose his job because of allegations?
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:52am
- John Loveridge
  
  Yet I have to undergo police vetting for many of the sites I work on, including schools, to make sure I’m not a pervert who might, for example, have a sexual predilection for 12-year-old girls.
  
  If this creep gets his wish and keeps his job then I’m going to give up on the world.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He won’t keep his job. If he is found guilty. Of course he should have name suppression right now.
    
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    October 29, 2024 10:51am
    - Ghost
      
      The bit I didn’t see right at the bottom, “former police officer”
      
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      October 29, 2024 10:52am
      - greybeard
        
        The word “Former” should have been in the heading.
        Media bastards.
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s shocking that was at the bottom of the article.
        
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        October 29, 2024 3:51pm
      - fernglas
        
        Given that the entire argument for suppression in August was based around him retaining his employment as a police officer, and that he has now been described as a “former” police officer, isn’t the most likely explanation that he was a police officer at the time of the offending but has since resigned? Which, if it is the case, should have been made clear in the article. It surprises me that it is inaccurate. Eddie Gay is a very experienced and capable court reporter
        
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        October 29, 2024 7:04pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “you shouldn’t have a job with the police anymore..”
  
  if he is found guilty. Looks like he has pleaded not guilty.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:15am
  - Matt Long
    
    Should be relatively easy to prove I would have thought.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:14am
- BananaLlama
  
  NZ is horribly soft on sex offenders most people will have to see it to believe it.
  
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  October 29, 2024 10:43am
- rouppe
  
  Hang on.
  
  The 12-year-old girl he is accused of having a sexualised online conversation with says she had told him she was 19.
  
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  October 29, 2024 1:11pm
  - peterwn
    
    The Police Officer should have been awake to that possibility
    
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    October 29, 2024 2:20pm
    - rouppe
      
      So now all men have to go around assuming anyone they connect with is lying to them? What an awful way to go about life.
      
      It’s catfishing. Doesn’t matter if it’s a 12 year old doing it for what they think is a laugh, or some toad doing it for money, the person catfishing is the one in the wrong.
      
      Wasn’t my downtick btw.
      
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      October 29, 2024 4:05pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        You aren’t wrong but at the same time how would you even get catfished by a 12 year old girl? and then after saving the image on his phone how was it even discovered? All we get is the following,
        
        Judge Murray said the conversation and photo were discovered when police searched his phone during ”an unrelated matter”.
        
        The Article then goes on to say that
        
        In his affidavit, the man said if his name was published his employment with the police would be “untenable”.
        
        but then further on
        
        The former police officer is due back in court in November
        
        The court is doing its best to make sure that the public is as misinformed as possible while they hide behind name suppression and secrecy.
        
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        October 29, 2024 4:49pm
      - rouppe
        
        Banana:
        
        Same way you get catfished by anyone else I guess. Dunno.
        
        Yes it is a very muddled story.
        
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        October 29, 2024 5:06pm
      - fernglas
        
        It’s no defence to having sex with a a child under 16 that the child told you they were of age, so I assume it’s the same with this.
        
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        October 29, 2024 7:06pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Catfish live in the mud layer
        
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        October 29, 2024 7:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  These kinds of accusations are more or less a death sentence, so I believe yes there should be name suppression until there is thorough investigation and proper trial AND a conviction based on sufficient evidence.
  
  At this stage he is reportedly “accused”.
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:29pm
mogg

Jacinda on record, gone but not forgotten, has she been taking elocution lessons.
https://youtu.be/c7w1uSExDnA
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October 29, 2024 10:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Is the Best Trump Ad You’ll Ever See.

https://rumble.com/v5kftlp-this-is-the-best-trump-ad-youll-ever-see.html?
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October 29, 2024 10:33am
kevn

YT censorship…
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1850973543267545431
but here it is in case anyone wants to join the 35+ million who have viewed so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMoPUAeLnY&t=17s
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October 29, 2024 10:49am
- Inandout
  
  kevn, the power of X.
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/youtube-says-it-has-fixed-search-results-for-joe-rogan-s-donald-trump-interview-to-show-full-episode/ar-AA1t5QF8
  
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  October 29, 2024 11:46am
- Bridgenag
  
  Nearly 37m now A very good interview
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:21pm
kevn

YT have opened the link again.
Must have been a big public push back from Joe Public.
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October 29, 2024 10:58am
NothingLeft

Democratic operative secretly filmed discussing the mechanics of the vote fraud operation in Georgia that he was involved in the 2020 election.
https://x.com/scrowder/status/1850924883678498871
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October 29, 2024 11:26am
- MCōs
  
  How come that clip surfaced four years after the event — five minutes before this year’s election?
  
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  October 29, 2024 12:14pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Probably because it will actually get airtime now as an election issue and motivate voters who might try to do something about it with their votes, rather than being swept under the carpet or simply ignored by Democrat aligned media. Because that is ultimately the only chance it has of ever being fixed.
    
    The corrupt election winning beneficiaries of the fraud at local, state and federal level are gatekeepers via politically appointed or aligned judges, police and prosecutors. They can almost always find means to halt or hamstring any post-election investigation through their circles of political and oligarchic patronage. Some of them are ‘uniparty’ Republicans.
    
    At these scales it seems likely that vote fraud determined the outcome of the 2020 election, and might again this time. Voting laws and systems have been altered over last 2 decades to make them ludicrously insecure to enable this, for sure with malice aforethought
    
    Swing states that are decided by only a few 10’s of thousand votes mean that fraudulent votes in those states are worth $1000’s each to the winning parties (US elections see around $10billion spent in campaigning). Given those incentives and the deliberately lax security it would be remarkable if there wasn’t huge scale fraud.
    
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    October 29, 2024 1:01pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    MCōs because this kind of crap is extremely pertinent?
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:32pm
MCōs

Some sort of problem with the sewer system in Moscow
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1968310/New-37m-Dubai-skyscraper-super-thin
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October 29, 2024 12:09pm
- NothingLeft
  
  wrong link https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1968344/moscow-sewer-explodes-fountain?int_source=nba
  
  Very on-brand for Moscow.
  
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  October 29, 2024 1:05pm
MCōs

They’re eating the dogs and here’s the evidence
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAW15M7R4Ds/?igsh=NXR3azJ0bHhpbmU1
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October 29, 2024 12:28pm
- MCōs
  
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_6sMmCSDQR/?igsh=MWVnZGZqOGtndTRjbA==
  
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  October 29, 2024 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tulsi Gabbard.

https://x.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1848918876509086002?
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October 29, 2024 12:41pm
Jack5

Is NZ into despised shark-fin harvesting, or is it just taking the fins off shark harvested for fish and chips?

Some shark species are being driven to near extinction by the drive to meet demand for the Chinese delicacy shark fin soup.

Sometimes fins are taken and he sharks are thrown back into the sea while still alive.

Not only sharks are in demand for Chinese food.
Donkeys are being slaughtered in their thousands for the gelatine in their hides for ejiao medicine. In Hebei, northern China, donkey burgers are popular. People of the region have long liked donkey meat.

China can’t breed enough donkeys to meet demand.

The African Union has put a ban on export of donkey hides to China. However, Pakistan has signed a deal to export meat and hides to China at the rate of 200,000 donkeys a year, and wants to further increase the trade.

NZ and shark finning:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350353289/new-zealands-complicity-global-shark-fin-trade-outrageous-conservationist

Shark finning – brutal facts:

https://www.americanoceans.org/facts/shark-finning/

Donkeys – Pakistan’s deal:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/why-is-china-importing-donkeys-from-pakistan/articleshow/114630934.cms

China has big new donkey farms, but this video clip shows handling at a traditional local level:

https://youtu.be/nMpLeHfQoJA?si=bZaM7o0HkILbv0Yq
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October 29, 2024 1:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, the Chinese have weird tastes in endangered species as well and the bears caged for life is simply disgusting.
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:13pm
  - Jack5
    
    Inandout: presumably you’re thinking about the nasty Asian bear-bile industry.
    
    https://www.worldanimalprotection.org.uk/our-work/wildlife/bear-bile-industry/
    
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    October 30, 2024 12:14am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Different issues, Jack. Shark finning is revolting. Breeding donkeys for the table is no different from breeding sheep or cattle for same.
  
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  October 29, 2024 7:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    Donkey meat is popular with the people of Hebei Province in North China, and they apparently even have donkey-burgers.
    
    But the main demand for donkeys is for gelatine from their hides for ejiao, a Chinese medicine.
    
    In Africa, donkeys are widely used for carrying goods and pulling trailers, Chinese demand for hides has apparently led to the shortage of these animals. Several African countries now have banned export of donkey hides to China. Brazil has also apparently banned donkey-hide exports to China.
    
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    October 29, 2024 11:06pm
cmm

Why are the gangs allowed to disrupt Lower Hutt by holding a state funeral for a criminal scumbag?

This should never have been allowed. Cops should be harassing them for every traffic infringement.

Gangs need to get the message that they are scum and society will not tolerate their behaviour nor reward it.
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October 29, 2024 3:04pm
- imalwaysright
  
  A friend was fined because the standards label on his helmet wasn’t legible, yet these scum can ride with illegal exhausts and wearing German army helmets (they aren’t “brave” enough to ride bare headed) and still have the police stop citizens to let them pass.
  
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  October 29, 2024 4:45pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Bare minimum they should have an alcohol checkpoint and, while they are stopped, record all identities and check outstanding warrants and vehicle breaches.
    Deploy all of those officers we see on tv news, standing around with the semi automatic rifles long after crimes have been committed, to man the checkpoints.
    
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    October 29, 2024 5:03pm
    - Keith White
      
      Is that Chris Cahill here downticking you…
      
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      October 29, 2024 6:20pm
  - AitchW
    
    The coal scuttle helmets they wear would be useless in a serious crash, especially when they don’t fasten the chin strap. They are purely for intimidation.
    I wonder if your mate might have been a little less than cooperative and the cop looked for any tiny misdemeanour?
    
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    October 29, 2024 8:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Society at large must start to make organised crime , aka gangs socially “unacceptable” , like smoking , racism , sexism etc
  
  That requires an awful lot more people to get onboard . Starts at the top with folk like the ex PM giving them millions or local councils giving them gardening contracts ( Dunedin) or allowing them to haka in council meetings and then down the line to societal leaders in the media “they’re just misunderstood lads with Daddy issues” etc
  
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  October 29, 2024 5:20pm
NothingLeft

An explanation for Kamala’s underperformance: She’s just not smart enough. Apparently the law school she went to has an 82% pass rate for the bar exam and 72% of first time bar exam attempters in her year for the whole state. But she failed. Suggests she’s well below average intelligence for a lawyer.

Most top level politicians (at least in days before social media started seeing women in left wing parties selected for ability to emote) are highly intelligent standouts.
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October 29, 2024 3:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Watching any of the few interviews she does one can tell she doesn’t have the smarts or indeed the communications ability to be a top flight polly . Like Bush Jnr.
  
  One wonders who the hell pulls the strings behind the scenes with such Joe Averages like these in power.
  
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  October 29, 2024 4:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The logical conclusion is that her dimness makes her easier to control, eh.
    
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    October 29, 2024 7:55pm
cmm

Israel finally bans a terrorist organisation: UNRWA.

“UNRWA provides education, health care and other basic services to millions of Palestinian refugees across the region, including in the Israeli-occupied West Bank”

Somehow no mention of their terrorist activities by $1uff.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360467165/israel-passes-two-bills-restrict-work-un-agency-lifeline-gaza
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October 29, 2024 3:20pm
- AitchW
  
  Well played Israel. Will anyone else speak the truth about UNWRA?
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:22pm
- Ra Henare
  
  UNRWA does not engage in terrorist activities.
  Some of their 10,000 plus employees do.
  
  Pedantic, I know, but generalised slurs seem to be far too common.
  
  A laziness with Facts? or Ignorance? I dont know
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:37pm
NothingLeft

WorldBank looses track of $40Billion climate change play money. 40% of what they have control of. $10 billion here, $10 billion there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.
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October 29, 2024 4:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360461215/name-suppression-lifted-man-accused-murdering-ariki-rigby
Predictable.
Inevitable.
Repeatable.
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October 29, 2024 5:05pm
- AitchW
  
  Is the red shirt an indication of his affiliations?
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:21pm
Benedict Yu

I see that the Australian Covid inquiry has reported.

In summary, lockdowns were wrong, and the delays in rolling out the vaccines cost lives.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-19-inquiry-findings-vaccine-rollout-delays-economy-transparency-centre-disease-control/232783e2-3dec-497e-8661-8b821d7735be

Remember when Chris Hipkins said that New Zealand was at the front of the queue for the vaccine? Turns out we were way down the queue. Then came the fake news about the vaccines, the low take up of the boosters, and hundreds of lives lost and much illness.

I predict that next year the New Zealand inquiry will savage the Government’s covid lockdowns and the MIQ fiasco. I have no idea what they will recommend on how to restore trust in vaccines. It will take many years IMO.
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October 29, 2024 6:33pm
Swifty

RNZ absolutely slamming Trump tonight.

Personally. Not his policies.

Several articles, all negative, and all speakers on The Panel ripping shit out of him and his supporters too. This includes the hard-left Shane Te Pou, who is in the US attending rallies etc, and who doesn’t hold back.

Not one remark on Harris on the front page, or on the panel. No mention of her gaffes, her repeated word salads, her poor speeches, her poll slippage of late, no none of that – just hate, hate, hate directed against Trump.

Good on you RNZ. At least you’re consistent.
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October 29, 2024 7:55pm
- Prince
  
  Next Wednesday will be delicious. No matter what they say….Their heads will explode.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:16pm
- Swifty
  
  Oh, RNZ have just posted a piece on Harris:
  
  “Harris hopes final speech will promise optimism, contrast Trump’s chaos.”
  
  Wankers.
  
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  October 29, 2024 9:39pm
Bridgenag

Bet they don’t mention this interview[posted by Kevn] that UTube tried to hide

https://youtu.be/hBMoPUAeLnY?si=P3UtwUWAZ9R5JGjg
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October 29, 2024 8:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Problems happen. It probably started right back when they uploaded it and had to mark it private due to an issue with Spotify
  
  https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/youtube-search-results-joe-rogan-donald-trump-interview-1236193077/
  
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  October 29, 2024 8:47pm

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