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NeverMindTheBollocks

Take heart, friends, have courage! The fight back has begun!

“Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario, shocked residents of Canada’s largest city when he pledged to rip out three of the city’s bike lanes “that are just absolutely insanity right now”.

Cyclists welcome the end of gridlock. Well, no, actually they don’t. Bring popcorn!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/18/ontario-toronto-bike-lanes
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November 19, 2024 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  As The Donald as shown the days of the Woke Racist DEI Elites and Climate Change nutters is over. The largest group of voters in any Western democracy is hardworking taxpayers.
  Politicans who dont take them into account will not get their votes. The worm has turned.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:11am
  - The worm that turned
    
    Indeed.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:29am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Hikoi? Who cares?
      
      The less attention we pay the faux parliamentary haka and protests, the less affective they are.
      
      Even with public attention, the hikoi only serves to galvanize opposition to tax payer funding of our “treaty partners”.
      
      My advice… save your energy for the select committee submissions on the treaty principals bill.
      
      I intend to send Luxon a message that his continued blocking of the bill will shift my vote to ACT. I will also request a referendum.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:17am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Likewise.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:29am
      - Jack5
        
        Main goal of the Maori march – the “hikoi” – is to give an anti-Coalition plank to State TV, State radio, and the subsidised newspapers.
        
        State-owned media in particular are giving the car-borne marchers — basically the Maori Party on car walkabout — more coverage than they could buy with millions of dollars of advertising.
        
        No objective reporting. State TV reporters, for example, are enthusiastically promoting the hikoi.
        
        Luxon’s approach has been soft to a hostile media that’s supported with taxpayer-born costs or subsidies. We are seeing and hearing the pay-off.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:57am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Bob Jones agrees with us …..
        
        https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/11/sir-bob-jones-maori-failure-march.html?m=1
        
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        November 19, 2024 11:11am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Wouldn’t it be wonderful if people actually read the BILL.
        So much BS misinformation from the anti mob, it’s staggering.
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2024/0094/9.0/whole.html#LMS1003447
        
        So much emotion from the antis. Very little facts.
        The worst offenders are woke non Maori.
        ergo the KS opining a political opinion (they should stick to their lane, legal opinion)
        
        Interesting “debate”on substack with a woke lady lawyer who was rabbiting on about truth (ie the truth of the principles) and that a referendum(ie popular opinion) should not be taken as truth….
        
        https://substack.com/@lucyr/note/p-151669392
        
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        November 19, 2024 3:21pm
Yvette

Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer on hīkoi arriving at Parliament today – The Front Page
While National and New Zealand First have made it clear they’re leaving their junior coalition partner in the dust when it comes to the second reading, Ngarewa-Packer said even allowing it to be tabled is a “deep shame”.
“We deserve better than to be used as political pawns.
“The fact that National has decided that we were tradeable and the mana of the coalition agreement was so much more important than the mana of Te Tiriti and tāngata is the deepest betrayal that we’ve ever had from a National government.
“We’re a country that had the first women’s vote, we have always punched above our weight in the anti-nuclear space, the anti-discrimination space, and here we are in 2024 with the sort of [Donald] Trump-like culture coming into our politics,” she said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-co-leader-debbie-ngarewa-packer-on-hikoi-arriving-at-parliament-today-the-front-page/6WAQRJB26VBMDNZG6T46ADJCEM/

No mention is made of six years of Ardern who allowed Maori to be an ethnicity elevated above all others, Aryanism – a distinct and superior racial group, pandering to aspirations (which are now facing the reality of being reigned in), while doing little to lift the Maori who really needed to be elevated from depressive conditions – those who still fill many, if not most, of the lowest social statistics in the nation.

Now a movement drawn by a sense of unity, boosted to a degree by the experience itself, descends on Parliament to rail against the Government’s right to govern, the protection of property, and the responsibilities and rights all New Zealanders should hold equally.

And the take-away Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer offers – after millions around the world watched a viral war dance and thousands marched from Cape Reinga in what some have coined the “biggest protest in living memory” – is “the deepest betrayal that we’ve ever had from a National government.”

And many will go away with nothing achieved but the self-fulfilled prophesy of Debbie Ngarewa-Packer.
Sadly.
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November 19, 2024 8:04am
- cmm
  
  I am 100% convinced that the absolute worst thing you can do to improve someone’s life is to tell them they are special and that they deserve hand outs.
  
  I had an Aunt who dug through our family tree and was convinced we had some connection to British royalty in the 1500s or so. Therefore our family was royal. Therefore we should not work and should be surrounded by people to do the work (cook, housekeeper etc).
  
  She lived her life sponging off others until dying, unwed and unbred, at the age of 55.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:27am
  - Random T Person
    
    There’s actual evidence for this from none other than Thomas Sowell.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:51am
  - amospicton
    
    Possibly even worse than telling kids that they’re special is telling them that they are victims and need assistance to succeed in life. This is Maoridom’s greatest curse in my view. They are not inherently inferior and are perfectly capable of succeeding without special treatment. To tell kids otherwise is child abuse.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:58am
    - PurplePen
      
      Yes. Consider all the Maori that are not unsuccessful and then those that on their own have moved to and are living quite happily in other countries such as Australia.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:49am
      - Paulus
        
        Understand that many Maori families moved to Australia so that their children would not be embroiled in Gangs, Drugs, and Crime.
        Remember with a conviction for any crime you cannot get into Australia, even for a visit, and in response Australia has 501’s of whom have hundreds of convictions first, before being deported back here and probably jailed here within months.
        
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        November 19, 2024 2:14pm
    - Michael Johnston
      
      The unique genius of woke ideology is to tell selected groups that they are both special and victims simultaneously. Hence the ‘oppression olympics.’ It a mindset that is utterly inimical to success. That is why woke ideologues particularly hate people like Thomas Sowell – members of minorities who have succeeded through their own efforts. Those people are living refutations of the ideology.
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:01am
    - cmm
      
      The flip side to that is this bullshit of telling people they need to have role models that look like them (gender, race, same town, etc).
      
      Bullshit. That is so limiting. As I write below, I consider a 12 year old Coloured boy who lived under a bridge as a role model.
      
      All this seems to be trying to keep people in their manageable identity-driven boxes:
      * You’re a Maori, so you must think/act like this.
      * You’re a woman/gay/one-legged Bhuddist lesbian so you must think like that.
      
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      November 19, 2024 12:18pm
    - No BS
      
      Bugger – went to uptick but clicked report instead – brain fart moment 🙁
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:14pm
  - Scooter
    
    CMM, As the saying goes “give someone an inch and they’ll take a mile”
    
    (said about someone who has been given a small amount of power or freedom to do something, and then has tried to get a lot more).
    
    Maori or rather the activists (including those in law, university, schools, public service etc) will keep on their path to get more or the Govt can put a break on it. It would take someone with the fortitude of Trump to do it, I doubt NZ would ever have a person like that in power.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:21am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      We do, and he lacks Trump’s character flaws as well. His name is David Seymour.
      
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      November 19, 2024 1:18pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Au contraire, New Zealand [Mod – debate without that] is in the equivalent of the early David Cameron phase of the UK Tory government 2010-24 (not that [Mod – deleted] government will last 14 years).
      
      [Mod – deleted] operation is slightly improving the economy but will do nothing for the right side of the culture wars. It’s just the slightly less left wing half of the Regime Continuity Government, whose 1990s and 2010s managers like Finlayson, Graham, Shipley and Bolger have taken their post-governing sinecures and are now warning the “far right” not to upset the consensus and especially not to slow down the gravy train.
      
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      November 19, 2024 4:30pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    Sorry, supposed to be uptick
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:48pm
- Burtland
  
  a political shit storm over a bill that everyone knows is going nowhere
  – when will the sheeple learn
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:49am
  - Bevan
    
    They have learned. They have learned that if you have the racial bloodlines (or claim to them) or ideology the MSM is sympathetic to they will amplify your grievance.
    
    Example, Hikoi blocking the Akl Harbour Bridge vs Brian Tamaki’s Southern Motorway protest and the way they were presented in the MSM.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:30pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, Brian & his Christian marchers were the wrong sort of Maori.
      
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      November 19, 2024 2:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  We deserve better? Separatist right to the very bitter end. The treaty is not a Māori thing, it’s an NZ thing
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:49am
- Justitia
  
  Only three years ago the Ministry of Justice issued a report on the Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill in which it declared that because Maori were “Treaty Partners”, discrimination in their favour and against people without Maori ancestry could not be regarded as a breach of the Bill of Rights Act 1990. This was about the provision of healthcare, to which all New Zealanders should have equal access. Such chicanery, and there are many other instances, is why I strongly support the thrust of David Seymour’s bill when it comes to equal rights, and accordingly so despise Luxon.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:20am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Justitia, can you provide a link to that MoJ report?
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:17am
    - Justitia
      
      Here’s the link to the MOJ report, see paragraph 25 in particular:https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/20211019-NZ-BORA-Advice-Pae-Ora-Healthy-Futures-Bill.pdf
      
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      November 19, 2024 1:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    But there are no real Maori – none of them are just Maori.
    They are all inbreds like most others in the world.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They are all inbreds
      
      No, they are not.
      
      Most Maori in NZ are the products of at least one instance of outbreeding, between a Maori ancestor and a member of another ethnic/racial group – European/Indian/Chinese/ Polynesian.
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:57am
    - Jack5
      
      “Inbreds” as mentioned by Paulus would be the opposite of diverse breeding implied by Paulus’s term “real Maori”.
      
      If there were no “real Maori” then Maori would be the opposite of inbred.
      
      If only seven or so canoes brought original Maori to NZ, then a thousand years or so of isolation must have left Maori fairly inbred — until Western colonisation.
      
      Effects of inbreeding:
      
      https://www.thoughtco.com/inbreeding-definition-effects-4171861
      
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      November 19, 2024 8:15pm
- pdm
  
  I watched a 15minute or so video interview (it is on Youtube) with Ngarewa-Packer last evening.
  
  That silly woman said repeatedly that Parliament is not the place for debating the Treaty of Waitangi.
  
  Buggered if I know where is appropriate then – Buckingham Palace maybe.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:26am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    If that is the case, then we should just remove reference to it from Parliament, and all the laws it sets.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:06am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    No, because Parliament requires a high degree of decorum and respect for opposing views. She and her ilk still operate on the “if they disagree the only answer is the biff” mentality. Reasoned debate? They wouldn’t recognise it if it jumped up and bit.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:49am
  - farbeyond
    
    The point being, there is absolutely NO place to discuss ANYTHING that might turn out to deliver the outcome that she does not like.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:27pm
- coge
  
  Oh yes ‘That man’ Donald Trump’
  
  Whatever happened to him?
  
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  November 19, 2024 11:02am
  - grumpy
    
    Vanished without trace after losing the election. Didn’t you listen to the media?
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:27pm
  - Paulus
    
    It is said that in the USA following the clear election of Trump, which the media heavily opposed, that the media is apparently destroying itself as a result of this so called biased apparition still called the media.
    The argument is the definition between Reporting and Journalism to still be called the media.
    Sound familiar whereby the media is destroying itself daily more here.
    Long may they keep it up.
    
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    November 19, 2024 2:22pm
    - coge
      
      Generally people deeply dislike being repeatedly told what to do, and what to think.
      
      Thus the modern mass media continuously back lost causes. Mainly of their own doing. Preaching, sanctimony, ideological purity and incessant hectoring.
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:25pm
- Damocles11
  
  It must be time to start making plans to get out of dying New Zealand, the establishment grandees on the National side of the equation have decided on complete capitulation to the separatists; the behaviour of Shipley, Key, Finlayson, and Luxon confirms this. The woke corporate elite decided to capitulate a long time ago, a disastrous decision on their part. Australia here we come.
  
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  November 19, 2024 11:32am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    A few days ago I said over at No Minister that I thought of National and NZ as I re-read what DPF posted here in late 2020 about the GOP in the USA:
    
    But I also want the Republican Party to lose the Senate and remain in the minority in the House…The Republican Party needs to suffer such a horrible defeat, that they will say no to the next Trump like figure who comes along… Only if the outcome in 2020 results in stuff GOP officeholders and activists hate, will they learn the lesson. A Supreme Court packed with liberal judges. A huge tax hike. Democrat controlled state legislatures deciding congressional boundaries etc. The more it hurts, the more likely they will turn their back on Trump.
    
    Commentators at the time pointed out that if that happened the GOP would likely never regain power or if they did, merely as a pale shadow of the Democrats.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:53am
    - coge
      
      2025 will see a great deal of close examination of the 2020 election. This will serve to keep the Democratic party on the back foot. It will be one of the biggest stories of the year. And it will be all about the Democrats.
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:38pm
  - Eastlander
    
    Good grief if that’s all it takes to get you hoisting the white flag then don’t bother emigrating, developments in Australia and Canada will have you lamenting the imminent end of all things soon enough.
    
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    November 19, 2024 2:53pm
- cmm
  
  One of the people I met who I consider a life inspiration was a 12 year-old kid living under a bridge.
  
  This little fellow was a Cape Coloured (giving him some disadvantages under South Africa’s apartheid laws). He had grown up in a drug dealing family having helped run drugs since the age of 7 or so. At around 11 one of his friends got killed and he decided that was enough and left home to live under a bridge (though still visiting his drug addled family daily).
  
  This little boy looked for opportunities all the time, and was soon working selling the morning newspaper – earning a small wage and tips. On top of it, the good burghers of Cape Town would often feed them – giving them a breakfast of sandwiches etc. The food was too much for him to eat so he would take that home to feed his siblings.
  
  He also went to school. His day started at about 5 am – being picked up to sell papers from about 6 to 7, then off to school for the day.
  
  He was saving money for studies after school. When I met him he already had the equivalent of half a year of university fees saved.
  
  I met this boy when there was a bit or rioting in Cape Town and not all the paper sellers could make it to work. Students got asked to help out. Sounded like fun.
  
  When I got into the back of the rusty van (holes in the floor, loud exhaust), there was this 12 year old discussing maths homework with one of his mates. He asked me to help clarify a few points.
  
  I met him again a few years later. He was at polytech studying to be an electronics technician and was working part time for the company of an associate of mine. Clearly well on the road to a successful career.
  
  I met a similarly-wired Maori guy in 1992 when I had just moved to NZ. Having left his loser cousins who lived on the dole in Hokianga, he went to Auckland and became a bus driver. At nights he continued to study – wanting to get into some engineering field. Every time he went to visit back in Hokianga the cousins tried to convince him to give it all up and join them on the dole. He resisted the call.
  
  Success comes from looking for the opportunities that always surround you – not from playing the victim card and demanding hand outs.
  
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  November 19, 2024 11:49am
  - Raphael
    
    my dad (who is now in his 80’s) had to drop out of school at 16, he went to work in a steel cable factory under conditions that would be straight-up illegal today.
    He was told by a chap back then that he should never associate with anyone who had a university degree as they were a better class of people (this was back when a University Degree was still something special).
    Whilst working full time, he put himself through night school to get his Matric and then started night classes at University to get his B.Com.
    and when he was in his 40’s, he got his PhD in Economics.
    
    We can either let our individual situations be an excuse that keeps us stuck, or we can overcome it.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:41pm
imalwaysright

Michael Laws yesterday explained the Nat/NZFirst policy on the treaty.

Apparently it could be far more detrimental to the activists than Seymour’s bill (even if it had a chance of passing) !

They are continually removing references to the treaty from legislation.

The Save the Tamihere Gravy Train hikoi have picked the wrong target.
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November 19, 2024 8:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s what I have been saying, the government has started removing g the treaty from law, in the end it gives the very same result as the TPB sets out to do, this is sneaking in under the guise of TPB and no leftie is noticing, it may well be planned that way
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:51am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Sssshhh …
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:19am
  - PurplePen
    
    So hopefully National and NZ First are both grateful and quietly thanking Seymour and ACT.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are so naive.
    
    After 13 months, how many Acts of Parliament have been amended to remove the requirement to give effect to the principles of the Treaty?
    There are hundreds with that provision.
    
    Secondly, if all the provisions are removed, the courts and the public service will just carry on as normal because Maori are “Treaty partners”. That is the problem.
    
    Look at Te Ao Maori principles in the public service. I can assure you from direct experience that they are more embedded now than under the last government. I have previously provided links to contract requirements and job advertisements that specify in some detail the understanding of te ao Maori that you need to demonstrate to get the job. To repeat, these requirements have intensified under the government.
    
    The only solution is to end the concept of “Partnership”. Our beloved National Party and Chris Luxon will not do that.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:29am
    - pdm
      
      Beloved National Party BY?
      
      There seem to be fewer and fewer loving the National Party these days.
      
      Perhaps it will become – `Our beloved ACT Party!!!
      
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      November 19, 2024 12:34pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You will never ever have a high vote for act, they are fringe to the right, anyone thinking that the centre will flock to what they persevere as hard right is wrong, the mmp elections are won in the centre
        
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        November 19, 2024 4:46pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Another thing, I don’t have a beloved party, you do with act, I voted for Labour for years until I woke up, so do t try and tell me how to vote now.
        
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        November 19, 2024 4:47pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Correct. One government organisation with which I am familiar is currently relaunching its “te ao maori journey” for staff who wish to immerse themselves in Maori culture despite no obvious link to the demands or nature of the job, let alone an obvious link to improved job performance (read: for white leftists who want to be promoted or to otherwise reap the benefits of being an “ally”).
      
      All on work time and thus on the public purse. While the government is demanding its departments be Efficient and Effective (TM)
      
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      November 19, 2024 4:40pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They started removing them one by one in October, they did not say they would start that day one, but they have started
      
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      November 19, 2024 4:43pm
- tavita
  
  There are two ways of addressing the cancer of treaty principles that has been invading our legislation. One way is to go through piece by piece cutting it out. The danger is that our judiciary and bureaucracy will fill the gap with their own interpretation. Seymour’s is the trojan horse approach – let the separatists/apologists put reference to the principles of the tow into all their mission statements /legislation and then define the principles once and for all the way they should be.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:05am
- Damocles11
  
  Absolute rubbish. They are not ‘continually removing references to the treaty from legislation’. Why make up nonsense to defend the total lack of action by woke National and the NZ First blowhards.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed. I have no problem with commenters who are partisan National Party supporters. Or any other party. But I must call out delusion. 😂
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Delusion is thinking this bill was ever going to work
      
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      November 19, 2024 4:48pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  IAR: “The Save the Tamihere Gravy Train hikoi”
  
  Nailed it!
  
  I’d amend that slightly to “The Save the Tamihere (and fellow travelers) Gravy Train hikoi”
  
  Most of the 200,000 TPM racists and lefty posers who signed the petition against the bill would have no clue what it was actually about. If they did it was in support of unjustified grifting based on racial heritage because mere “vibes”.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:22pm
vand

Many well dressed protestors at Simla Station Khandallah this morning- of European and Maori mixed ancestry of course- using the public transport system. Isn’t that cheating? Why not march to the CBD?
On a political level the Bill and the hikoi involve two parties on recruitment drives -ACT (and the Maori party.
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November 19, 2024 8:06am
- sirknz
  
  I’m just curious to find out how many have used bikes to get in today…
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:40am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Are you seriously going to leave your unattended, late model, flash bang e-bike with the rest of that mob while you exercise your democratic right to protest in the parliamentary precinct?!?
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:06am
- kowtow
  
  The next train arriving at platform No 1 is ………the gravy train.All aboard.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:40am
- G152
  
  What???
  Actually have those idlers DO something….
  Think of their having to actually walk some of their protest….
  Then stand around maybe dance a little then KFC and home before dark
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:43am
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  I work in a cul de sac close to Waitangi Park where the march to Parliament starts.
  Many hikoi-ers parking out front, so far none have bothered to pay at the parking machine, it will be interesting to see if there are any tickets issued today.
  Must be nice to be special….
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Why should they park and actually pay at a pay park.
    They are special – I don’t suppose the Council would dare to fine them for not doing so – if they did they would just not pay as special people of their land.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:22am
  - Ghost
    
    You mean like the anti mandate protestors parked?
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/461647/protest-outside-parliament-still-no-sign-of-towing-to-remove-blockade-of-vehicles
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:28am
  - krazykiwi
    
    They’d also blocked off Herd St (Wgtn waterfront) with cones and a “Road Closed” sign. One of the protestors stood there removing the cone for apparently ‘approved’ vehicles to pass.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  I flew from Auckland to Wellington yesterday afternoon. There we loads of people flying to the capital who looked protest-ready: flags, poi, anti-Seymour signs (oversized, should never have been allowed in the cabin). The woman across the aircraft aisle from me was protest-ready, including Gucci sneakers and an exotic watch.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Who’s paying for that .
    
    Doesn’t sound at all disadvantaged .
    
    Or are they drawing off from funds set up for charitable , not political, purposes.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:59am
    - jon
      
      Kowtow, i d wager too, that the kids from Nae Nae primary going to the Demo at Parliament per the request of the activist principal, wont be paying the train fares. That cost will land back on the taxpayer. Education minister, Stanford, surely has the power to rescind such a decision and if not, should have.Unfortunately though she is on record as saying the Treaty is a partnership.
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:12am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m always amazed at the amount of stuff people get away with carrying on planes.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:32am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I got a life-sized cardboard cutout of John Wayne onto a Qantas flight once. It’s a long story ….
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:12am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Well, what are you waiting for, Pilgrim.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:24am
    - Paulus
      
      Try it in HongKong where little ladies stop you on the way in, after check in, and send you back if the goods do not fit the standard carrier box.
      And cannot she shout at people who argue !
      
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      November 19, 2024 2:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Next week I need to make my first flight since 2008. The easy way to manage your booking etc is to sign up for AirNZ’s app. Kia ora, nga mihi,…
    
    AirNZ really has become Aotearovlot. I think it is fitting that hikoi “marchers” would consider this traditional transport.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:34am
    - MCōs
      
      You’re about to get on a plane after 16yrs and already you’re an expert
      Did they have x-ray machines back then and sealed runways at Christchurch International?
      You might be in for some surprises, like no smoking and jet engines
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:17am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Apps are generally about data collection on YOU (IE spying on your phone activities, which, if you think about it are extremely sensitive and personal). The bait for this trap is of course “convenience”.
      
      “Why would they do this?”, you might ask. Because they can sell this data to data brokers who then package this up for sale to advertisers and all sorts of other slippery and subterranean entities.
      
      I’d suggest where possible use a browser instead.
      
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      November 19, 2024 8:28pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How do thousands of people take time off work to do this stuff?
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:35am
    - Flossie
      
      Be like the person high up in TVNZ – apply for leave.
      
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      November 19, 2024 12:18pm
    - cmm
      
      Please define “work”.
      
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      November 19, 2024 12:25pm
- pdm
  
  vand – Chippy he says he is joining in,
  
  Will he be walking from Upper Hutt?
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:28am
  - Sacha
    
    No wonder the country is in such a mess. If they cared about it at all, they would be at work and doing their bit for the good of everyone.
    Just like taxpayers – who work, and pay extra for those who don’t.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:34am
  - riffer
    
    No, he’d probably bike in, like he normally does.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He will be worried about being butchered within labour, because his support today and his arrogance voting against booting Mali-Clarke out of the house will lose Labour support, the anger by Labour voters seeing MPs they voted for standing and jointing the gala is huge
    
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    November 19, 2024 4:51pm
Scott

Mika and Joe, cohosts of the MSNBC news show, Morning Joe, just met with Donald Trump. That’s big news because Mika and Joe have been the most vociferous critics of Trump in all of cable news. And that says a lot!
According to CNN –
“In her explanation of the meeting, Brzezinski pointed to Trump’s election victory and said “Joe and I realized it’s time to do something different, and that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump, but talking with him.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/18/media/morning-joe-msnbc-trump-mar-a-lago

However other new outlets had a different take. Mika said this –
“Hyperbole and personal attacks will not work. My hair on fire doesn’t work. We’ve all seen that. What also does not work is threatening political opponents with arrest, harassment, and even jail. That is a failed path. Recent history has proven that impeachments and trials turn those on trial into political martyrs and only make them more popular with the American people. Just ask Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/msnbcs-joe-mika-met-trump-mar-lago-will/

According to Gateway Pundit –
“While their intentions may seem pure, it is likely that MSNBC need Joe and Mika to repair relations with Trump and his voters in order to revive the network’s fortunes.

According to recent data, their viewing figures have fallen by almost 40 percent since Trump’s victory, and its owners at Comcast are now looking to potentially offload the company at a discounted price.”

The business model of “Orange man bad” doesn’t appear to be working in the face of the president elect who swept all the battle ground states and got a majority of the popular vote.
One can only hope the NZ media get the memo? 🤔
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November 19, 2024 8:06am
David Garrett

Good morning fellow commenters (chanelling the ghost of the late Penny Bright)… a very pleasant 25C up here in the Kingdom this morning, with a fresh easterly breeze.
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November 19, 2024 8:15am
- grumpy
  
  Are you hiring?
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:29am
  - David Garrett
    
    grumpy: Depends if you are a woman…one only hires women up here; all the capable men have buggered off to NZ or Australia.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:01am
    - MCōs
      
      Except for you, of course
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Maybe I could be your diversity hire?
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:37am
- john1234
  
  And the internet is working too.
  If the coffee machine also works I think that’s the trifecta.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:38am
  - Colville
    
    Air Conditioning would trump the coffee machine for me.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:08am
- trout
  
  ‘channeling’
  couldn’t resist😎
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:09am
  - David Garrett
    
    trout: Yes, I thought it was one “l” only, but the spell check on this Blog thinks otherwise.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:00am
    - John Loveridge
      
      And “n” times two. You need more coffee, Mister Garrett.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:44am
    - sirknz
      
      Spell check in your browser would be the culprit.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:48am
krazykiwi

Wellington City is filling up with people who presumably don’t want clarity nor a common definition of a phrase that is currently unclear and weaponized.
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November 19, 2024 8:16am
- cmm
  
  There’s a nice big trough that has been growing and growing since 1879. Of course they don’t want it threatened.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:19am
  - artemisia
    
    The troughs are under threat anyway, some well trimmed back, some dead. More to come.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:24am
    - cmm
      
      I’ve heard the words from National. I haven’t seen any action though.
      
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      November 19, 2024 8:39am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I walked past Parliament to my office this morning and one of them was loudly and unironically playing ‘Melting Pot’ by When the Cat’s Away.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Lol. I’d think Abba’s Money, Money, Money was more their thing.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Money – Pink Floyd? Lyrics fit.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:25am
  - Rusty
    
    @Nigel,
    If you get a chance to read the lyrics to the song “Melting pot” it might surprise you how offensive it is to other races. “yellow chinkees” for example.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:04am
- kowtow
  
  Gang members in numbers on the streets , according to an interview just now on the Platform.
  
  No doubt those people will not be heavily featured by the msm , in contrast to the msm deliberate efforts to smear the anti mandate protesters by all means possible.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:30am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Heard that.
    Boycie also made a good point about the lack of toilets.
    Just Maccas and the train station I think.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:26pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I heard that a bunch of portaloos have been brought in for the occasion.
      
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      November 19, 2024 3:05pm
      - kowtow
        
        Portaloos ?
        
        Another colonial settler innovation.
        
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        November 19, 2024 3:25pm
kowtow

You really have to wonder who the Herald gets to write its editorials , not to mention the fact that what’s there is the official stance of the paper.

“Maipi Clarke, her Te Pati Maori colleagues and other politicians in the House reacted when when they felt their very identity was threatened .
They acted in the only way they believed was appropriate , with class and with mana.”
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November 19, 2024 8:18am
- David Garrett
  
  They acted in the only way they believed was appropriate , with class and with mana.
  
  Well cornhole me….the founders of the Herald must be turning in their graves.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:24am
  - john1234
    
    “Lorde” or whatever her name is called the display “utmost grace”.
    Someone needs to lend that girl a dictionary and perhaps also mention that celebrity endorsements are very last week.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:39am
    - Cassandra
      
      I disagree – celebrity endorsement was a major part of the Harris victory. Clooney for Secretary of State, Taylor Swift becoming the White House Clown, plus more. Oh wait………………..
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:49am
    - graham
      
      Jennifer Aniston
      Beyoncé
      George Clooney
      Leonardo DiCaprio
      Eminem
      Jamie Lee Curtis
      Billie Eilish
      Mark Hamill
      Jennifer Lopez
      Michael Keaton
      Eva Longoria
      Ricky Martin
      Sarah Jessica Parker
      Julia Roberts
      Arnold Schwarzenegger
      Bruce Springsteen
      Barbra Streisand
      Taylor Swift
      Oprah Winfrey
      
      … were all reported as endorsing Kamala Harris, along with many other celebrities.
      
      How did that work out?
      
      https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/kamala-harris-hollywood-supporters/
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:59am
      - krazykiwi
        
        At the Canadian border 🙂
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:22am
      - Paulus
        
        Very expensively for the Democrats intentions to try and bribe the voters.
        Must have cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars well in to millions, if we are told that someone called Beyonce cost $10 million to appear for three minutes.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        KK, just hope they are not coming here. We have enough wet wokes.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:28am
      - grumpy
        
        Very expensively……Oprah was though to be $US1m but is now much higher……all paid to shill for Kamala!
        
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        November 19, 2024 11:05am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        All of them it turned out were on the clock too! Seems actors need to be paid for the opinions that they read off their scripts!
        
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        November 19, 2024 11:14am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        kk – this may be more concerning – probably think it’s a nice little leftie place the way local media behave 🙂
        https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/panic-over-trump-the-americans-desperate-for-a-house-in-new-zealand-46632
        
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        November 19, 2024 12:02pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Worked OK for Oprah.
        
        https://nypost.com/2024/11/17/us-news/harris-campaign-paid-oprah-winfreys-production-company-nearly-2-5-million/
        
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        November 19, 2024 12:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        50 cent is worth more than her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m47yKKI2528
        
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        November 19, 2024 12:08pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Cornhole you?
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s not their identity that is threatened. As cmm suggested, it is their permanent connection to a firehose of free money that is threatened.
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t even think that is threatened.
    What they see here is an opportunity to demand even more.
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:40am
    - kowtow
      
      They’ve already said they want Maori sovereignty , whatever that involves .And therein lies the responsibility of the Establishment for allowing this thing to get so out of hand over the last some 50 years , with the re awakening of the whole grievance industry , first by Labour and now more and more radicalised by the extremist Maori party , but within mainstream Labour itself with their advocating of co governance. And powerful National have played a huge part in this too .
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:03am
      - Taieri
        
        They’ve already said they want Maori sovereignty , whatever that involves
        ———
        
        Exactly. WHATEVER that involves…
        
        It’s all very well to claim/demand “sovereignty”, but how it’s supposed to work in practice?
        
        Does it mean a separate government with all that comes with it? A separate set of laws? A separate finance and tax system?
        
        What is to happen to the “other” 85% of NZ population? Is it also to be governed by its own separate authority?
        
        How are both sides going to interact? How are potential conflicts going to be resolved?
        
        Etc. etc. etc…
        
        Any experts out there willing to explain? All those progressive professors? All the highly educated KC’s and such like? All the “white-guilt”-ridden supporters of “decolonisation” and “indigenisation” where are you?
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:05am
      - krazykiwi
        
        All those progressive professors, and all the highly educated KC’s have:-
        
        0% interest in seeing anything implemented
        
        100% interest in self-aggrandizement by being seen to be on the ethno-socialist/progressive side of an issue.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:18am
      - PurplePen
        
        The thing is Maori aren’t and never were a single community or state. They were and still are independent tribes, in some cases there are groups of tribes under one supreme leader or chief. The whole TPM idea of one Maori nation is a colonial concept which oddly enough is what the kingitanga movement is. While their might be similarities between tribes each had their own way of doing things, their own rules and protocols. This whitey idea that the woke ‘intelligentsia’ and woke courts have that Maori are a single group doesn’t exist.
        
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        November 19, 2024 11:04am
      - GJM
        
        Anyone remember the New Hebrides, now aka Vanuatu? It was a joint English- French government which ran in parallel and duplicate. It was a complete stuffup. They at least had good intentions and attempts at good governance. Imagine what Maori cogovernance would be like.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hebrides
        
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        November 19, 2024 7:07pm
    - Paul Marsden
      
      They are chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and they don’t want that taken away, gratis of past govts and activist judges. This is what it is all about on both sides ie. Maori and some in the legal fraternity, who don’t want their meal ticket for life, disappearing
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:50am
      - Keith White
        
        “To grift or not to grift – bro that’s not even a question. We wanna race-slurp at the colonial trough for eva.”
        
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        November 19, 2024 1:53pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How is the treaty principles bill got anything to do with the remaining few treaty negotiations?
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:13am
    - PurplePen
      
      My understanding of the idea behind the principles back in 1975 was a work-around to neither side being able to agree on a single interpretation of the ToW. So someone at the time suggested, let’s at least agree that there were principles that the treaty set out. Except they lazily didn’t define them.
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Geoffrey Palmer started the non-defining principles.
        
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        November 19, 2024 3:01pm
    - grumpy
      
      You forgot all the “re”negotiations………
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:09am
- G152
  
  Didnt look much like manna on TV more like petulance
  
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  November 19, 2024 8:45am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I think that performance in parliament the other day was a disgrace, and IMO destroyed any mana that remained among the who took part in the fiasco.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:47am
- Damocles11
  
  And yet idiots will still subscribe to read such tripe. 🤦🏻‍♂️
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And Hipkins is going there to show support for TPM, he still can’t read the room, and support for TPM will see Labour lose support
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:12am
  - Grunter
    
    Same goes for Labour-Lite.
    
    The Shipley civil war comment, the Goldsmith email last Thursday, and Luxon’s continued tone-deaf mutterings “there’s nothing I like….”
    
    It does show the reality of where the Nats are at.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Shipley did not say civil war is near, she suggests as TPM civil will ensue if they don’t get their way, she is suggesting this may create it and she is probably correct
      
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      November 19, 2024 4:57pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Listening to various TPM people, all I hear is baseless bluster. Sure the bluster is loud and angry sounding but it’s still baseless bluster. TPM was supported by approx 3% of the vote. It kind of appears that a wider group stands back and quietly gets off on TPM’s obvious bullshittery. Perhaps hoping for more goodies for themselves from the gravy train as a result?
        
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        November 19, 2024 8:45pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    Happy to go out and speak to this lot. Hid inside when the big vax protest was on.
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:45pm
- 7kiwi11
  
  Yeah, that reaction sounds really spontaneous – “But I knew I was going to get landed with something on that day and we’ve been prepping for about a year or so.”
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:49am
artemisia

Thousands fewer families getting support as unemployment rises – Herald yesterday

Two advocates for those on lower incomes, essentially that beneficiary families get an increase so they get the same income top up as working families. That’s the carefully curated message, despite numbers and reasons, mostly rather vague.

Note that the article refers to tax credit support (aka money) which is available to all families regardless of employment status, provided they meet the criteria. It’s just that the criteria differ depending on household hours of work.

Auckland University Associate Professor Susan St John …. said the Family Tax Credit, a credit received by all families below a certain income, whether they work or receive a benefit, should be increased and the IWTC abolished.

The In Work Tax Credit (IWRC) was designed to support families where the caregiver/s get up in the morning and head out to a job. An incentive. Isn’t that a good thing? Susan St John and Ricardo Menendez-March don’t think so. Seems they prefer incentives to stay on the sofa. Not sure they are reading the room, but this article by a usually open minded journalist only really includes the barely hidden swipes at the current government from the two interviewed.
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November 19, 2024 8:20am
Blog-aholic

I see on X that you can now not carry a New Zealand flag in the street, be accosted (assualted) because you then get arrested for inciting violence….
Welcome to the ETHNOCRATIC state called something beginning with ‘A’.
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November 19, 2024 8:35am
Frankie Lee

Lots of Maori flags and dark glasses on the train this morning. It’s going to be an interesting day!
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November 19, 2024 8:39am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.40am, one lonely bike.

A lightly gusty, coolish morning in the Capital, not bad for cycling.

As an aside, walking through Parliament grounds this morning: plenty of cars and vans, but nary a bicycle to be seen.
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November 19, 2024 8:42am
nathie

Shane Jones wrote:

The international image of all our MPs is being pickled in a solution of division, ignominy and parliamentary trashing. A problem of House management and political duplicity. Hezbollah loving Greens and impotent Labour applaud this tainting of the highest court in the land.

The Kiwi electoral midriff may be slow to stir but they are infuriated. They can sense manipulation. The hikoi, the car-koi or koru-koi, given the significant number of protestors jetting to Wellington, is a Green, Māori Party recruitment drive.

If Jones is correct then it is appalling that the radical TPM is seeding division and disinformation to aid their own party recruitment.

Why is the wider MSM and society not examining this and calling them out (like they would if the Right was indulging in similar tactics)?

And let’s not forget Labour’s part in going along with this as Jones highlights. The description put on them as “arsonists” returning to the scene of the crime (by Luxon IIRC over their economic carnage they caused but show no contrition) pretending to be the innocent party is still apt.

Labour’s support of radical agendas saw they turfed out of Govt last year. By continuing to support the radical TPM, Labour demonstrate to concerned mainstream NZers they haven’t learned their lesson.

If Labour still don’t care about this now, wait until the next election when voters reject the thought of a Labour/TPM/Green coalition!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/parliament-must-be-a-place-where-law-and-order-not-unlawful-disorder-is-on-display-shane-jones/C3ZNIMT3ZJG4TORCTXDCTULMRI/
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November 19, 2024 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why is the wider MSM and society not examining this
  
  Why is RNZ and TVNZ actively supporting this?
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    They did sign up to “active protection” thing under the Ardern regime .
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Govt to RNZ and TVNZ: “Sorry folks, but we are fresh out of taxpayer funds for highly partisan political propaganda. Please prepare to search for alternative employment as your gravy train has just stopped at the final destination.”
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:50pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Read Kipling
  
  The Wrath of the awakened Saxon
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

David Seymour talkingto the media on the eve of the Hikoi… calm, logical and no word salad nor histrionics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAXlz9uceX4
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November 19, 2024 8:47am
- riffer
  
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  Just like the sociopath he is.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Utterly pathetic.
    
    That’s all you’ve got – name calling? Attacking him personally?
    
    Says more about you than him.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:07am
    - Don Beckett
      
      He’s probably a member of the Maori Party – that’s all they have as well – insults, name calling and aggressive threatening stances.
      
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      November 19, 2024 10:52am
      - Swifty
        
        Riffer is an intelligent person who frequently has great points to make.
        
        That’s why it is so disappointing to see him or her wreck their credibility by descending to cheap, personal attacks on Seymour – as if that is a valid substitute for an argument.
        
        But of course, cheap, personal attacks on Seymour seem all too common of late – that he’s a Nazi, that he’s a white-supremacist, the he wants to ‘genocide’ Maori – the list just goes on and on……
        
        It’s like many New Zealanders have never been taught to debate, to argue their corner and that personal insults and name-calling is all they know how to do.
        
        Either that or they just don’t have an argument, I can’t rule that out……
        
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        November 19, 2024 1:28pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Well that would make him a Maori sociopath and also on trend as an MP with a mental health or on-a-spectrum diagnosis for which every support and sympathy must be provided.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:15am
  - No BS
    
    Riffer – you are clearly carrying a Tea Party Maori membership card. Instead of resorting to personal insults and threats (as demonstrated over the last few days), can you tell this blog what it is you find so divisive about the bill? I have not heard one rational comment or argument from opponents of the bill what it is they are so angry about. Let me answer that for you FOLLOW THE MONEY.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:02pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Riffer your utterly baseless comment shows that you are driven by a sea of vacuous and irrational emotions and a desperation to be accepted by your peer group. Hopefully you’ll grow up.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:14pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Indeed he was calm in the face of some real stupidity.
  
  Here’s another angle of that presser wherein you can see the alleged reporters. The body language is quite revealing, especially as Jenna Lynch starts to do her usual thing. Listen carefully and you can see how she tries to set him up, then hangs back, then tries again having processed his previous answers through her activist filter.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLPXOjsXJA
  
  Didn’t notice it was Richard Harmon in the background until Seymour pointed him out.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:31am
  - PurplePen
    
    God he’s brilliant. Whether you agree with him or like him or not, his ability to correct his interviewers and answer a question in a calm and rational manner is brilliant. There are very few current MPs anywhere near his level of competence.
    
    I also get tired of ‘aren’t there more important things for the government to be focusing on’. You could just add easily have said that about women’s suffrage, gay law reform, gay marriage, euthanasia, the recent bill to allow employee and employer to mutually agree to terminate and the list goes on.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:28am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I can’t believe how patient he is with them. Gave them a lot of time and questions. He is extremely professional and answered all the questions well.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:57am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Seymour has the patience of a saint and speaks with so much logic and clarity! Well done to him. I’m impressed.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:13pm
kowtow

Back to the Herald , an article there about a frozen sabre toothed kitten , 35000 years old, from Siberia .

Story ends with “Sabre toothed cats roamed widely across Africa , Europe and the Americas for 100’s of 1000’s of years until about 10 000 years ago when the ice age came to an end……”

I wonder what it was that brought about the end of the ice age 10 000 years ago and why our politicians think that impoverishing ourselves now , de industrialising ,transferring tens of millions of dollars to third world countries will create a new ice age cos that’s what they’re claiming they can do.
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November 19, 2024 8:50am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Who exactly is claiming they can create a new ice age? And if you’re wondering what brought about the end of the last ice age, here might be a good place to start: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/1%2520Glacial-Interglacial%2520Cycles-Final-OCT%25202021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim5ZnU6-aJAxXVnGMGHfewCxcQFnoECBUQAw&usg=AOvVaw24Yf8aEJQm49zYvSfISHrH
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Who exactly is claiming they can create a new ice age?’
    
    Politicians think that higher taxes will stop CO2 rising and warming , thus ending the current warming , which means they want a new ice age.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “article there about a frozen sabre toothed kitten , 35000 years old…”
  
  That’s surely too old to still be a kitten…
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    Eternal youth , for the crazy cat ladies…….
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:23pm
I remember when

Instead of debating the Treaty principles is there a need to explain the economics?
Every payout means that twenty percent of the people receive money from the remaining eighty percent.
The twenty percent then use their asset to receive payments from the eighty percent for use of their asset.
This is money that doesn’t go towards infrastructure, education, welfare, education.
And this is before we consider the justification for those who are partly Maori.
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November 19, 2024 8:50am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  But since when have the payouts gone to “20 %” of the population? The iwiocracy have done well out of the payouts, but I’m not so sure about the rank and file of Maoridom.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:40am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Pope,
    Exactly. This hikoi is a power play by Tamihere, and his ilk, to frighten the government and the public into unquestioningly refuelling his gravy trains.
    
    The suckers who have turned up will get to do their hakas and maybe get on tv, along with a few days of relief from their daily existence.
    As Tamihere’s funding fodder, they will go home with less than when they left, and wait expectantly for Uncle John to brush a few crumbs off the big table.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:11pm
Flossie

I’ve seen on several online news sites that millions and millions have viewed the video of a haka in our parliament. The perpetrators of this offence against parliamentary protocols believe viewing equals approving, and are pretty pleased with their efforts.
I reckon a video of two trains crashing into each other would attract as many, or more, views but that doesn’t mean people are happy about it happening.
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November 19, 2024 8:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  Average human is a drama junky – because evolutionarily we needed to keep track of who was in ascendency in our tribe to make sure we were supporting winners. Chimpanzees are no different.
  
  But it’s an infantile way to inform and influence the running of a country.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:49am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Millions and millions have viewed the video and NZ is now a laughing stock.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Our host family friends in Alaska saw all of the NZ Parliament stuff and thought it was funny! A joke and some fun they said.
    They also asked who a large group of people could march over 500 miles in just 9 days.
    The penny dropped when I told them it was cars and vans, and the protest parades were just for the TV cameras!
    The World has seen all of this and now that the truth is coming out the World sees New Zealand as a Joke.
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:22pm
- MCōs
  
  Given that people people from far away countries have little understanding of the issues involved other than it’s the indigenous Maori protesting against the ruling establishment, I doubt if breaching parliamentary protocols is a huge consideration.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:58am
  - Taieri
    
    the indigenous Maori protesting against the ruling establishment
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    Protesting against themselves?
    What is the percentage of Maori MPs in the current Parliament?
    How many Government ministers can claim Maori descent?
    How many CEOs of the State entities are of Maori origin?
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:08am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      7 or 35%
      
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      November 19, 2024 11:49am
- graham
  
  I’d say that just as many people, if not more, viewed the videos and memes by another woman who shot to fame with some weird dance moves and funny facial expressions.
  
  And Rachael Gunn (aka Raygun) has been trying to live it down ever since.
  
  Apparently 15.17 BILLION people have watched the “Baby Shark Dance”, and 4.85 BILLION people have watched “Axel F by Crazy Frog”.
  
  Not sure that loads of people watching something is necessarily a great endorsement …
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    15.17 BILLION people ???? Where were they broadcasting to – Mars & Andromeda?
    I think you mean million.
    
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    November 19, 2024 10:57am
    - graham
      
      Sorry, should have been 15.17 billion VIEWS. Slight difference. 🙂
      
      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11E57E1166929B60
      
      https://www.lifestyleasia.com/hk/entertainment/most-viewed-youtube-videos-of-all-time/
      
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      November 19, 2024 12:06pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Well I watched it, and I don’t approve.
  
  That’s only one out of millions, sure, but I bet there are more of me.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This came to me by email.
Sorry it’s not from a reputable source such as CNN or TV1 News.

“A group of leading cardiologists in New Zealand has revealed that Covid mRNA “vaccines” are spiked with a deadly “cardiotoxin” which has been identified as the sole cause of surging heart failure and sudden cardiac arrest deaths around the world.”

A former Pfizer executive, Dr. Mike Yeadon, has given an explosive testimony to expose the true motivations behind the company’s Covid mRNA “vaccines.”
Videos 58 sec, and 15.14. The drug companies have not brought any Court cases against him over his allegations. He has been censored and smeared so he may be over the target. He mentions his credentials.

Remember, I am just the messenger. I have no comment on this at this stage.

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/new-zealand-cardiologists-covid-vaccines
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November 19, 2024 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are posts debunking this. I don’t care.
  Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Yeadon has been censored and smeared.
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:14am
  - David Garrett
    
    “I am just the messenger…I have no comment at this stage”
    
    And then a few minutes later you are agreeing with the claims, and ridiculing counter-claims.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I mentioned Yeadon has been censored and smeared.
      I mentioned there are posts debunking this.
      That does not mean I agree with them. Seems quite fair DG.
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:44am
      - David Garrett
        
        “Where there is smoke there’s fire” is a metaphor meaning where there is a suggestion – albeit a rather strong suggestion – that something is occurring, it IS occurring. Or put another way, this particular suggestion is well founded.
        
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        November 19, 2024 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If I suggested I agreed, I did not mean it to be I agreed.
        Anyway, I don’t agree.
        Send me an invoice for correcting me. 🙂
        
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        November 19, 2024 11:19am
    - Ghost
      
      Mike Adam’s, the health ranger, who this article comes from is one of the biggest nutjob frauds online
      
      This is a nutjob who last election claimed Chinese planes were attacking the usa. Pushed qanon. The guy is a raving lunatic who was waiting for jfk Jr to run with Trump.
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:47am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    No need to apologise. If you want to post it, then post it.
    Thanks
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:06am
- Taieri
  
  Covid mRNA “vaccines” are spiked with a deadly “cardiotoxin”
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  Why would anyone do that?
  What is this “deadly cardiotoxin” anyway?
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeadon says it in his video. Toxin introduced to the vaccine I think he said.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You lost me at reputable like CNN
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tiny bit of satire G the giant.
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Did I really have to put a smiley face there?
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        OK, you got me on that G.
        🙂 🙂
        
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        November 19, 2024 6:01pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Why on earth would anyone “spike” vaccines with a deadly cardiotoxin? What would anyone stand to gain from doing such a thing? And how was this alleged conspiracy organized?
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:47am
  - nova
    
    The vaccine works by teaching the body to recognise the spike protein that is on the outside of covid19, and it does so by either containing the spike protein directly, or by mRNA instructions that get the body to produce it. I believe the claim is that the spike protein is in itself a cardiotoxin. But if true it is not in the vaccine as a result of a conspiracy, but merely as a direct result of how the vaccine was supposed to work.
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:45pm
kowtow

Police helping to paint protest signs ?

I suppose that’s the NZ version of Bobbies “taking a knee” .

So much for the Peel Principles and impartiality .
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November 19, 2024 9:05am
- Allan
  
  Peel’s Principles of Modern Policing were discarded many years ago.
  
  ‘The Peelian principles summarise the ideas that Sir Robert Peel developed to define an ethical police force. The approach expressed in these principles is commonly known as policing by consent in the United Kingdom and other countries such as Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. ‘ (Wiki)
  
  When did you last believe that the police were policing by consent?
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Discarded?
    
    The commissioner of the NZ police has been in print to tell us our police do follow those principles .
    
    And our police do operate on those principles , philosophically ,though at times we could question that .
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Policing by consent: Please good sir, may I arrest you?
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:43pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Hosking asking Mark Mitchell the pertinent question, what goes through a constable’s head when they are doing that, at about 4:45:
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/mark-mitchell-police-minister-on-the-h%C4%ABkoi-to-parliament-political-neutrality-in-the-police-force/
  
  Mitchell excuses it on the basis of the officers being young and probably not politically engaged, which is pretty naïve. Of course they’re politically engaged. Ask yourself, are you likely to see them helping Brian Tamaki paint signs during one of his marches? Like hell.
  
  Fact is, the cops were indoctrinated in the same education system as the hikoi participants. The cops know who to tacitly support and who to arrest, like those people recently arrested for merely holding pro-Israel signs at Palestinian protests or having public conversations about abortion.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:48am
  - kowtow
    
    Paint ?
    
    Well we saw theliteral massive police over reaction on that excellent Redbaiter skit against the heinous painting over of a “rainbow” crossing . And not one of them picked up a brush then .
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:06pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Woke cops trying to colour between the lines. Bless them. Glad they learned something at school, that and who to arrest.
    
    https://x.com/kaiviti_cam/status/1858343352741286370
    
    Scroll down for more images.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:33pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Yesterday, in Masterton, a man carrying the NZ flag strolls along in front of the hikoi and is assaulted:
    
    (uncheck volume)
    
    https://x.com/i/status/1858487491978031436
    
    Then after being assaulted again by another hikoi operative, the cops move in and arrest him for disorderly behaviour, according to the police:
    
    https://x.com/i/status/1858613023445029121
    
    I hope the FSU get involved. This is why I pay my membership.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:37pm
    - kowtow
      
      I see the police have said he was arrested .The march peaceful.
      
      But that man was assualted by at least one marcher , his property stolen and damaged . That’s not “peaceful”,
      
      Note too how when he was arrested another Plod threatened the filmer .
      
      Very dangerous times indeed . Of course there’s little if any report of this in the msm , goes against the narrative.
      
      I’d think the Cops won’t have the gall to charge him , it’d be laughed out of court , but then the process becomes the punishment .
      
      Very sad and disappointing.
      
      https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/police-update-15-h%C4%ABkoi-m%C5%8D-te-tiriti
      
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      November 19, 2024 2:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Police ‘said” he was arrested. Was he arrested?
        The NZ flag carrier has the right to peaceful protest just as anybody else has.
        Oh wait – special people involved.
        
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        November 19, 2024 3:58pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      According to Laws on Te Platform the guy who got assaulted was a “nasty and nutty piece of work and white supremacist” or words to that effect. That may be so but I don’t see how that justifies the assault. The BS media (ZB news feed on Te Platform I think) mentioned someone was taken to hospital as a result.
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:48pm
  - Paulus
    
    It is why so many Police from the UK principally, say they have had enough of Protocols (meaning Maori) and go to Queensland.
    
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    November 19, 2024 2:40pm
Damocles11

The property industry bankrolling NZME is the definition of dumb. The far left New Zealand Herald continues to promote the separatist agenda, undermining democracy and causing capital flight from this country.
The separatist movement is a threat to private property rights, a threat to social cohesion. We are on the verge of calamity.
In the words of David Lange:
“Democratic government can accommodate Maori political aspiration in many ways. It can allocate resources in ways which reflect the particular interests of Maori people. It can delegate authority, and allow the exercise of degrees of Maori autonomy. What it cannot do is acknowledge the existence of a separate sovereignty. As soon as it does that, it isn’t a democracy. We can have a democratic form of government or we can have indigenous sovereignty. They can’t coexist and we can’t have them both.”
“Many on the left of politics who sympathise with Maori aspiration have identified with the cause of the treaty, either not knowing or not caring that its implications are profoundly undemocratic.”
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November 19, 2024 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  Listening to so called msm radio news (NZME) I can only conclude that their editorial stance is very anti coalition and actually anti democratic.
  Their language , excitement and hyperbole accompanying the reports is toned to persuade us that those of us who believe in representative , liberal ( in its proper sense) democracy are the outliers and that numbers in the streets is what matters , not what is expressed peacefully in the privacy of the voting booth and on the ballot paper.
  
  A clear majority in this country don’t want law and the delivery of govt services based on perceived ethnicity but equality , not “equity” , whatever the hell that is.
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The problem with equitable outcomes…

The reasons are obvious to economists, but not to our Judiciary. They may be proud of their “equitable outcomes” principle, but there is a principle in economics that an inexorable trade-off exists: attempts to make outcomes equal and equitable lower efficiency and productivity.

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/now-we-know-how-nz-s-economy-got-broken-nz-s-judiciary-wrote-the-nation-a-communist-style-constitut
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November 19, 2024 9:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What is the difference between “equitable outcomes” and “equal outcomes”?
  
  We know that the latter requires massive and invasive State control (and gulags) to implement.
  
  “In a free society, men are not equal. In an equal society, men are not free.” (Not my quote.)
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:34am
- Burtland
  
  DEI is the denial and exclusion of merit – it is designed to produce a low performance social structure that can be easily controlled from the top.
  
  It is self perpetuating and can produce astounding failures and distortions, sink ships and even whole countries.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:10am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  I completely agree with the explanation in the article about why “equality of outcomes” is a terrible public policy objective.
  
  Thing is though, I’ve looked at three separate reports of the KCs’ letter to the PM, and none of those report the letter actually saying that equality of outcome is required.
  
  Is this just another example of something we’re seeing a lot of these days – Furious protest about what the protestor thinks somebody said, but which isn’t what they actually said?
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:38pm
Greenheart

You give publicity to someone who claims the covid vaccines were designed to depopulate the human race and that COVID did not exist. Are you serious?
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November 19, 2024 9:25am
- bennerg
  
  Well Greenheart, there are two issues with depopulate claim. First Nill Gates let it drop in 2010 Ted Talk where he said:
  
  “The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent”
  
  Now he has since tried to clarify his comments in recent times, but it still did not sit well. A bit like “I did not have sex with that woman“.
  
  The second is the business model for vaccines. One thing that RFK Jnr has eruditely explained, is how Big Pharma have managed to get practically ALL vaccines approved without the requisite safety approvals – by that I mean getting them fully tested as per other drugs.
  
  The business model is incredible. They not only bypassed the safety testing regime, but also got immunity for any damage, then got them required for every child born.
  
  WOW!!
  
  And when you look at the “reputation” of these guys, the amount of fines paid are eye watering, but as RFK points out, even that is chicken feed for the profits they are making from a shonky business operation.
  
  When you look at the big picture, you can see why mistakes have been made. Now grab the popcorm as the acid comes on these guys, and some accountability is assigned. Watch for:
  
  1. Removal of immunity for vaccne manufacturers, with resulting huge class action court cases
  2. Requirements for full testing of all vaccines – possibly withdrawl in the meantime
  3. Full analysis of data on the possible damage caused by not only mRNA but all vaccines
  4. Release of all research data – not those much redacted documents provided so far
  5. Court hearings
  6. Imprisonment for the guilty
  7. Bill Gates leaves the USA
  8. Medical Journals forced to be independent – ie cannot be owned by interested parties
  9. AMA required to be divorced from Big Pharma
  10. Government Agencies not permitted to employ any past employee of Big Pharma, and no Govt Employee in a high position able to be employed at Big Pharma for ten years.
  
  And that will just the start.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:56am
  - waitakereman
    
    Who would down vote that
    
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    November 20, 2024 6:58am
cmm

There is a stream of AI that I find very interesting: embedding it into small devices and control systems.
This is something I have been studying on and off since the 1980s.

While much of this is technically impressive, the accuracy often isn’t really good enough for real world deployment and the use cases end up being rather contrived.

For example, I recently saw a device that can detect the sound of a dog barking. They were trying to promote this as a worker safety device.

Do you really need some device in your pocket to vibrate and tell you that there is a dog barking?

Now don’t get me wrong, being able to identify the sound of a dog barking vs, say, the sound of a lawn mower or a person talking, is technically impressive.

It’s also completely useless.
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November 19, 2024 9:46am
- 7kiwi11
  
  My phone has randomly started telling me when there is a speed camera about. No use to me though because I’d never speed…
  
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  November 19, 2024 9:53am
- graham
  
  Quite like the Internet of Things – a solution looking for a problem.
  
  https://www.theregister.com/2016/04/15/bofh_2016_episode_5/
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:09am
  - cmm
    
    There are certainly some useful features in IoT, but mush of it is crap.
    
    A few weeks ago I was in a meeting and some bloke’s phone made an alert “beep”.
    It turned out his dishwasher at home was saying the rinse aid was getting low.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:23pm
- Taieri
  
  Do you really need some device in your pocket to vibrate and tell you that there is a dog barking?
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  If you have no ears…
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:11am
- Burtland
  
  how do you check that the AI is right ?
  
  if youre deaf you might use it to ensure youre safe
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:32am
- Eastlander
  
  So many of these AI tools that various organisations are trying to foist upon me are solutions in search of a problem. Do I need google to give me a summary of its (frequently poor) search results? Do I need Skype to edit my message for tone? No I do not.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:33am
Yvette

Michael Laws On The Overreaction To The Treaty Principles Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojlFsoztts

Michael Laws discusses the controversy surrounding the Treaty Principles Bill, but shifts focus to the National-New Zealand First coalition agreement

Summary:
Michael Laws critiques overreactions to ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill, which seeks to clarify the Treaty’s meaning through elected officials. He highlights more impactful changes in the National-New Zealand First coalition agreement, such as removing co-governance, prioritizing need over race, and narrowing the Waitangi Tribunal’s scope. Laws suggests these measures pose greater challenges to those viewing the Treaty of Waitangi as a constitutional foundation than ACT’s bill, which he views as merely prompting debate rather than threatening the Treaty itself.

With ACT, Luxon is all words – and some becoming extremely boring now
But with New Zealand First they just seem to be doing it, their Coalition Agreement.

And I am gravely disappointed, as I have said several times now, that neither have reaffirmed that Government and all its services should be strictly secular – raising no religious view above any other, and so elimination all Ao o Maori references (of the Maori religious world view) as mentioned: from Government and it services.

Most common religious affiliations in New Zealand
2023 Census, % of people
No religion 51.6 percent of population
Maori religions, beliefs and philosophies (not further defined) 0.13 percent of the population
https://figure.nz/chart/RfmHYb2IsMMrn9OC
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November 19, 2024 9:49am
- Eastlander
  
  You can’t threaten a simple treaty of cession which is what the treaty of Waitangi was. The ‘principles’ and the ‘partnership’ were invented by activists, inserted into the law by the judiciary and now we are expected to believe these concepts unknown to the treaty signatories are actually the building blocks of the constitution from time immemorial. Proponents of ‘te tiriti’ ideology have only ever argued and acted in bad faith, and I do not acknowledge them as fellow citizens.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:10am
- Yvette
  
  Clarification –
  Re-reading what I wrote there, just above, I should have put in a line rule or something to indicate “With ACT, Luxon is all words – and” etc onwards is my opinion, not Michael Laws’
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:27am
- Burtland
  
  wow – we have karikia for everything and yet only 0.13% believe in it.
  
  is this Willies tyranny of democracy or just tyranny?
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:44am
  - PurplePen
    
    And who’s to say 100% of that 0.13% actually practice or really believe in whatever version of te ao maori they ascribe to. Many people might say they’re catholic but many of them might only go to church once in a while or never sing a hymn nor go to confession etc. Just because there is te ao Maori doesn’t mean a karakia is compulsory nor necessary in any given situation.
    
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    November 19, 2024 11:47am
    - Paulus
      
      Try this from another angle – it is without a doubt that children from Pacifica families all speak their native language fluently, but only some maximum 2% of Maori do despite the crap we are told, and the huge financial aspect of trying to make us all have something native to understand.
      
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      November 19, 2024 2:46pm
- PurplePen
  
  I want to reiterate a point that really relates to anything maori. Who decides what is the universal maori te ao or the universal maori way of doing anything or protocol. They were and are individual tribes, some with more affinity than others. In a way each tribe is is own race with it’s own rules and world view. It’s not as if all tribes sat down and agreed ‘this is the collective Maori world view we will all present to the world’.
  
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  November 19, 2024 11:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Correct.
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:21pm
cmm

Oh dear, the pearl clutchers think that a statistical question that mentions rectum and sexual organs might be “triggering” for sexual assault victims.

I can relate to this terrible harm. At age 5, I was attacked by a turkey. When I was 17, I was traumatised having to answer a maths question about turkeys.

FFS: If they’d left the rectum and reproductive organs out, but still left in lungs then what about all the kids traumatised because their granny died of lung cancer the previous year?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rectums-and-private-parts-level-3-ncea-statistics-paper-hits-a-bum-note-with-some/25UAHDK72NHNXB5QGZ6QL5OELU/
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November 19, 2024 9:53am
- riffer
  
  Here’s a thought. Perhaps because you haven’t been unlucky enough to receive that kind of sexual assault you actually have no idea of what’s triggering or not?
  
  This kind of ignorant belittling of sexual assault victims anxieties is pretty uncool.
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:53pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Everything is triggering, literally everything.
    I’m not mocking victims of sexual assault but simply stating a fact.
    Triggers will be different for everyone and are by definition things that bring back memories of the assault.
    
    Honestly, the maths exam itself (due to stress and anxiety) is probably more triggering than those words.
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:17pm
  - Eastlander
    
    Take it back to reddit.
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:15pm
70andstilllearning

IIRC in Feb ’22 there were multiple MSM articles about Wellingtonians moaning due to road closures as a result the protestors creating havoc in the Capital. Somewhat surprised that I can’t seem to find anything similar today …….

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-41.2853877,174.7873147,15.25z/data=!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

(best viewed in ‘satellite mode’)
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November 19, 2024 9:56am
- riffer
  
  In Feb 22 these were unplanned and unnannouced closures. This time it’s been well and truly announced early so people have time to make other plans.
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:55pm
  - 2ic
    
    The road closures the 2022 protests were the result of all MP’s refusing to meet with the protestors, which resulted in it growing in size and duration.
    
    No such problem here – these are obviously the ‘right’ sort of protestors. Even Seymour fronting up, to his credit. A shame he lacked the same courage back in 2022.
    
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    November 19, 2024 2:17pm
Taieri

‘I had fallen into bad habits’

“Insulting language such as “f… tards” was repeatedly used by Dunedin City Council chief executive Sandy Graham to describe councillors, sources say.”

“Disparaging commentary about councillors and Dunedin Mayor Jules Radich was sometimes supplemented by the chief executive bad-mouthing parts of her organisation, the Otago Daily Times has been told.”

Unfortunately paywalled. Still, perhaps Sandy Graham is not all that far from the mark?
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November 19, 2024 10:15am
- Clyde
  
  The Dunedin City Councillors are largely well described by CEO Sandy Graham. Only one (Lee Vandervis) stands up to the woke culture and the huge debt the City is under. Look at some of the others – Labour Party rejects such as David Benson Pope (he of the tennis ball fame), and Green Party activist Marie Laufiso, as well as self professed loony, Mandy Mayhem. Mind you, Dunedin has long been the bastion of the far-left loony fringe. But the current spat shows also that it is the staff that run things while the elected lot just provide the circus in the front office.
  
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  November 19, 2024 11:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Marie Laufuso , in addition to being a Green , is also a self described communist.
    
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    November 19, 2024 12:00pm
John Loveridge

I paraphrase a little, but the gist of the exchange is accurate.

Female Teacher: “Shame on the evil David Seymour for making school lunches cheaper! Doesn’t he understand that this is often the only meal these children get each day?”

14-year-old Daughter: “But Miss! What about Teachers Only Days? What do they eat then?”

Female Teacher: “.”

Daughter says she thought of mentioning school holidays too, but didn’t want Female Teacher to break down in hysterics. Meanwhile she is wise enough to not hold her breath waiting for an answer to the issue of TODs. And of course she is deeply concerned about teacher welfare too, and wonders what they eat for lunch during the holidays.
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November 19, 2024 10:18am
- riffer
  
  Have you considered that for many poor kids, they simply don’t eat on those days?
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:50pm
  - artemisia
    
    riffer, no food except at school? That would be child abuse. Time for an intervention, be nice if it was by family.
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:03pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Have the teachers?
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:03pm
  - lifesgood
    
    So won’t they have starved to death after the long summer holidays?
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:17pm
    - kowtow
      
      Indeed they shouldn’t exist now as they would have all died prior to the introduction of the feed the indigent program.
      
      I don’t recall photos from the various ngo’s showing the fly blown bulgy eyed distended tummies children as per Biafra, Ethiopia , Somalia …….
      
      did I hear someone say Bob Geldof and Bono planned on doing a concert for them but then jacinda arrived just in the nick of time to miraculously to feed and home the masses ……
      
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      November 19, 2024 1:54pm
  - Yabster
    
    taken a day off riffraf – or just bored at work?- you missed the point as you always seem to- (maybe its on purpose)- the point being the poor lil kiddies would have gotten a fed if it wasn’t for the socialist teachers not having the day off- have you got it- the 14 year old grasped the concept…
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:49pm
  - Eastlander
    
    If this happens it is because their parents don’t care enough to feed them. Obviously those kids should be taken from such parents but your ilk feel that to deprive children of neglect and abuse is to deprive them of their cultural needs.
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:02pm
  - CBR600
    
    I don’t see the streets of Upper Hutt littered with dead kids during the school holidays, and neither do you!
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:31pm
- Paulus
  
  How are the children to be fed during school holidays, particularly over Chistmas and the New Year ?
  
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  November 19, 2024 2:49pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHYZnK5tY4
EU’s largest economy takes biggest U-turn on Russia.
In this video, we dive into the political shift happening in Europe regarding the Ukraine war. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has sparked alarm in Kyiv by reopening talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, marking the first dialogue in two years. Ukrainian President Zelensky condemned the move, calling it a dangerous step that could undermine international support for Ukraine. With the potential return of Donald Trump to power, Scholz’s shift towards advocating for peace talks has raised concerns about Ukraine’s future military and diplomatic backing. We explore the delicate balancing act facing Scholz, the impact on EU policy, and the growing pressure on Kyiv. Will this new approach change the course of the war? Watch to find out! [Begginsky is not best pleased.]
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November 19, 2024 10:52am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKCrDdWcvyg
Brand New “Trump Derangement Syndrome” Ad is Hilarious.
I guess its a bit dated by now. However, its well put together.
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November 19, 2024 10:52am
Ghost

Sweden has put out a new booklet to prepare people for war of emergency, some good advice there for people who don’t have emergency supplies here

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30307.pdf
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November 19, 2024 11:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Finland and Norway have also just issued similar pamphlets/booklets for their populations
  
  Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr4zwj2lgdo
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, we had a dummy run with the covid drama except some hoarders grabbed all the essentials. I clearly remember in Feb 2020 a local Chinese woman had a trolley stacked with toilet paper and rolls of paper towels. I jokingly asked if she had a shop but she gave me a knowing look and said ‘just in case’ then walked away.
  
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  November 19, 2024 12:56pm
  - Ghost
    
    I upped my supplies december 2019 because I was watching what was happening in china
    
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    November 19, 2024 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  If you live in NZ and don’t have food, gas, water etc for at least a week then you’re a bloody idiot. We could probably go for 3 weeks to a month.
  
  I think the booklet is pretty useless when it comes to telling people what to store. The picture of the family look like they have enough to survive an afternoon with a bottle of water each and a few food items.
  
  BTW: This is not a new booklet. This is a revised version and the revised version is 2 years old. “Publ. no.: MSB1214 – Revised December 2022”
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  If the Nordics really believed the balloon was about to go up , the question is would they issue a pamphlet ( to cover arse ) or would they drop all the climate b/s and other non essential stuff and start getting bomb shelters built , building up ammo reserves , recruiting soldiers etc
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:47pm
  - cmm
    
    The Nordics have conscription and reservists.
    
    All the conscripts and reservists keep their weapons and uniforms at home. So, yes, they are stocked to the gunnels with troops, ammo etc.
    
    IIRC, over 80% of Swedes and Nowegians (both male and female) go through conscription and are trained to basic infantry standards – with a large % progressing to more advanced training (advanced infantry tactics, operation of other equipment such as artillery, tanks etc).
    
    Storing ammo is close to pointless unless you have trained soldiers to go with it. If NZ was to decide to tool up it would take years to get a conscript programme and training established.
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:15pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ah so.
      
      TY
      
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      November 19, 2024 3:19pm
    - Keith White
      
      According to the Small Arms Survey, New Zealand has the 17th highest rate of civilian gun ownership with 1.5 million firearms distributed over a population of under 5 million.
      
      According to Cahill’s Blue Patched Gang, there are about 250,000 licensed firearms holders and another 30,000+ unlicensed.
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Germany tells their companies how to prepare
  
  In Germany, preparations are apparently beginning for the event of a war, which has even more direct effects on the Federal Republic than the Russian attack on Ukraine. According to information from the “Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung”, the Bundeswehr has recently been training companies on the basis of the “Operations Plan Germany” adopted by the politicians. The strategy paper in its first version is 1000 pages long and secret in the details.
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:43pm
cas

The prominent political person who we can’t name is due for sentencing on 22nd and I guess we will find out about continued name suppression as well.

We had a bit of a horse koi today – kids riding horses, waving Maori flags and the horses leaving shit on the streets.
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November 19, 2024 12:19pm
John Loveridge

At first I wondered if it was April 1st already, and then I realised that in Wales the calendars have been set to 1984:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14096881/welsh-government-anti-racism-action-plan-beliefs-white-majority.html

Now, I know that I’ve provided a link to the Daily Mail, not the most respectable of sources, but any Google search on what’s happening in Wales will likely turn what’s left of your hair.
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November 19, 2024 12:23pm
- Swifty
  
  “You vill do as ve say, boyo.”
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:19pm
Ghost

No matter how people feel about this protest, it is great to see the government allowing the protestors onto the grounds, going down and talking with the protestors. This is how government should respond to a protest. Not with police and threatening mp’s and media to not talk to them
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November 19, 2024 12:23pm
- Philview
  
  I agree with your point but it does feel that the protestors aided by NZ’s corrupt media are damaging the Government. The media and Left’s strategic ploy is to hammer at the Luxon/Seymour difference of opinion.
  
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  November 19, 2024 1:38pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    You may well be right with the media ploy but it won’t succeed. In 2026 New Zealand will go to the polls to vote for either a centre right coalition of National/NZ First and ACT or a Labour/Greens/TPM coalition. I know where my money will go in. Neither Chris Luxon, Winston Peters or David Seymour will collapse the current coalition as they continue to achieve the commitments in the coalition agreement.
    
    This current kerfuffle will solidify support for the centre right nicely, secure the next election for the centre right and been seen by history as a mass wankerthon by those on the left including the media. It felt good while they were doing it but it ended up messy and didn’t last long.
    
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    November 19, 2024 2:50pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Let’s not forget. Greenie nut bars and corrupt TPM racists will be in cabinet, bot parties for the very first time, a step too far for centre voters
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are not damaging the government at all, I fact if you look at the Curia poll as this hikoi has a as poached, the government lead over the opposition is the largest it has been, Hipkins arrogance and support of the activist rent a mob will see that gap widen
    
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    November 19, 2024 5:13pm
- PurplePen
  
  Saw on X Chris Hipkins not joining them on the lawn but instead a royal wave from a parliamentary balcony. That guy is going to be rolled before the end of 2025. Which is a shame as I’d rather he stayed as leader. Better ensures a weak opposition come election.
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:49pm
Damocles11

A big proportion of the Hikoi gang are white Leftist traitors, judging by the photos I’ve seen.
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November 19, 2024 12:31pm
- mandk
  
  Judging from what I saw on the Hutt Valley Line this morning, a lot of people – mainly mums and kids – going to join up with the hikoi were just looking for a good day out.
  
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  November 19, 2024 2:29pm
- MCōs
  
  One of my sisters and my brother were were part of the hikoi
  I’ve never thought of either as leftist traitors and I’m sure it’ll come as news to them.
  Perhaps you’d best describe what you mean by ‘traitor’
  Would that be traitor to their class, traitor to their skin colour as you seem to infer, traitor to their country, or what?
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:13pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I agree with you McCos
    ‘Leftist traitors’ is far too harsh
    Low information voters is probably more accurate
    
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    November 19, 2024 4:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’ll let them know that you’ve got their number
      
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      November 19, 2024 7:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    It is sad when one side calls the other side traitors because they don’t not hold the same view on an issue. Reminds me of how USA politics has gone. What’s next, calling them Rivers of filth
    
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    November 19, 2024 4:30pm
- mogg
  
  More like activists pushing the politics of division because it’s all they have got left.
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    I would start with people who have a different point of view to yourself and proceed from there.
    
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    November 19, 2024 7:20pm
peterwn

Question Time today:
Treaty 2 questions (and two other questions intersect with the Treaty).
Finance 1 (TOW intersect)
Education 1 (TOW intersect)
Patsy 5
Open 3 (Paul (to PM) / Xu-Nan (education) / Hipkins (to PM) )

https://bills.parliament.nz/v/11/da9adde3-58b1-43cc-e57b-08dd08194895
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November 19, 2024 12:54pm
- rouppe
  
  Speaking of, how do we find out which pieces of legislation have been amended to remove references to the Treaty of Waitangi?
  
  As per the coalition agreement between National and NZ First.
  
  I tried to navigate the parliament website, but it’s impossible to search since everything important is a pdf, and buried under layers of categories.
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:25pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Try (advanced) searching on the Legislative site using “Treaty of Waitangi” (verbatim search) as search string. That threw up 273 active Acts and Secondary legislation targets. Also tried same string for ‘as enacted’ or ‘as made’ (for secondary legislation ) and got 272 targets. Playing around with the search options might give you a starting point … maybe!!
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/
    
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    November 19, 2024 8:28pm
judith8409121

New Zealand (or should i use the BS name Aotearoa) is now the only country that has, through its taxpayer funded media, celebrated smacking women talking in public (the media supporting bashing people for their views) , and, celebrated people marching for un-equal rights (racism). Labour, along with it’s sidekick parties greens and tpm, has in the past shown it’s self to be misogynistic and supports the removal of rights for women who have biological differences to men – but supports unequal and bigoted rights for a group based on long ago heritage. Its remarkable – New Zealand’s media is part of this game and this will destroy anything to do with sanity. National is also going down this disgusting path and will cause this nasty division on purpose i’m supposing
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November 19, 2024 1:02pm
Libertarians are right

So it turns out that Waititi was supposed to lead the preplanned parliament haka and it was passed off to Clarke at the last second.

So, did Waititi get stage fright, afraid he couldn’t rip a piece of paper in half or did he realise that the person that started the haka would get named and therefore lose a days pay?

I’m guessing the latter. It’s always about the cash.
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November 19, 2024 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  Waititi has already overstepped the mark many times and Gerry would probably pull him up short.
  
  However Gerry does seem to have a soft spot for females of colour, so why not exploit this weakness?
  
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  November 19, 2024 3:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And when will Hana realise she is the expendable female?
  
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  November 19, 2024 6:54pm
Chuck Bird

I think the titles explains everything.

David faces the media as hīkoi bears down on Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLPXOjsXJA
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November 19, 2024 1:44pm
- mandk
  
  “Hikoi bears down on Parliament”.
  
  We all know what happened when David met Goliath.
  
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  November 19, 2024 2:24pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Seymour shows he is clearly in control. The incessant question about the haka place in parliament vs a rugby field was devoid of both a point and any intellegence.
  
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  November 19, 2024 2:26pm
  - Eastlander
    
    It looks and sounds ridiculous on the pitch as well. Foreigners think this too, but we mistake their courtesy for approval.
    
    [ Mod – fixed]
    
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    November 19, 2024 3:08pm
thirteenstars

Those tuning in to Parliament TV have just seen Chris Hipkins smack Chris Luxon over the head with recent comments by Shipley, Finlayson and Key, Luxon looking very uncomfortable.

Hipkins also got Luxon to say he did not agree with either Seymour or Peters regarding their views on the Treaty and its supposed principles. He was also made to state what he believed the principles to be and he listed “partnership” as number one.
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November 19, 2024 3:14pm
- kowtow
  
  “partnership” as number one.
  
  And therein the problem.
  
  Didn’t the court case say “akin” to .
  
  And now it’s morphed into full partnership.
  
  Happy to be corrected .
  
  ps As we the people in our totality , including all Maori citizens ,are now in effect the Crown , as our democratic institutions have evolved , surely noone can be a partner with themself .
  
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  November 19, 2024 3:44pm
  - mandk
    
    Yes, it’s an absurd situation.
    
    As I have argued here previously, Māori cannot simultaneously be subjects of the Crown and partners with the Crown.
    
    It can only be one or the other.
    
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    November 19, 2024 4:23pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Article 3.
      That’s why they always ignore it.
      Today’s article explaining the Treaty stated that Article 3 is no different between the English and Maori versions.
      
      The English version says Maori have all rights and privileges of British subjects.
      The Maori version says Maori and non-Maori have all rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England (Hugh Kawerau wrote this off because Maori couldn’t know what this is so must just be Maori Tikangi which is unbelievable BS).
      
      Also, fun fact. The Maori version of Article 2 gives “tino rangitiratanga over their treasures” to all the people of New Zealand, not just Maori.
      
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      November 19, 2024 5:02pm
      - fernglas
        
        Surely one of the duties of citizenship in England in those days was to acknowledge the sovereignty of the Crown?
        
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        November 19, 2024 6:27pm
- PurplePen
  
  Interesting that he asked Luxon what he ‘believed’ them to be. Surely it’s no a question of belief but simply a mere fact that can be easily stated. Surely the principles are written down somewhere in black and white. And if they’re not then perhaps they should be for all to see.
  
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  November 19, 2024 4:43pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I will be watching the replay, because from what I see week in and week out, Luxon makes Hipkins look like an idiot every single Q time
  
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  November 19, 2024 5:21pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    That might be so but with this issue Luxon has made a rod for his own back. He’s sided with the Opposition against his own coalition partner. That’s how Hipkins made him look feckless. It’s not good enough to simply wave it away as a coalition commitment. That’s just a smokescreen when the real issue is that Luxon and the Nats want to have their democracy and eat it, too.
    
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    November 19, 2024 6:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “and [Luxon] listed “partnership” as number one”
  
  Then Luxon is a confirmed moron*. It is constitutionally impossible for the Crown to enter into a ‘partnership’ with any entity. Always has been. Always will be.
  
  *As an aside, implying that a German politician a moron can now result in criminal proceedings: German retiree facing criminal charges for retweeting a meme implying that the Minister of Economic Affairs is a moron
  
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  November 19, 2024 5:48pm
graham

I’ll admit it, we regularly watch TV1 News – largely out of habit these days, as my wife and I both get our news primarily from other sources.

But there’s an increasing amount of “news” featuring on One News that we just skip on through, and I suspect tonight will be no different. We have no desire to see the One News reporters breathlessly covering the hikoi, describing it as “historic” or “passionate“. We don’t wish to see Debbie Ngarewa-Packer or Rawiri Waititi spitting out invective and being praised for their “mana“. We don’t want to watch the cringing coverage of children being brain-washed into “protesting” something they haven’t a clue about.

If TV1 News is going to spend as much time reporting on the hikoi as I suspect, we’ll have to make sure we don’t start watching until at least 6:30 tonight so we can just hit the skip button until something that actually matters comes on.
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November 19, 2024 3:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

David Seymour’s Treaty Principles Bill. Luxon, We Demand A Referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IT2l06OQnY
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November 19, 2024 4:00pm
rouppe

The Pennsylvania Senate election was close. Close enough to allow the (Democratic) loser to ask for a recount.

So they tried to cheat:

The high court initially ruled on Nov. 1 that mail-in ballots without formally required signatures or dates should not be counted. Democratic-led election boards, however — including in Philadelphia, Bucks County, Montgomery County, and Centre County — balked at the ruling and voted to include such ballots in the recount.

A mail in ballot without a signature, I mean who cares? Right?

Good grief…
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November 19, 2024 5:01pm
Keith White

MSM breathlessly reporting tens of thousands of hikoi-ers.

Well of course. Very few of that literal mob have paid jobs and the ones that do, won’t get any pushback because that’d be raycisss.
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November 19, 2024 5:19pm
Jack5

Liz Gunn’s assault conviction stands.

A tad-heavy penalty if the incident was about, as Liz Gunn described it, contact with an airport worker’s arm. Liz Gunn is 64.

Like her father, the shareholders’ rights battler, the late Max Gun, Liz will surely fight on.

This in the Judge’s comment, as reported in the “Herald,” will no doubt stir up some support for Gunn:

“She had courted media coverage by taking a leading public role promoting misinformation about vaccines, Judge Forrest said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/liz-gunn-fails-in-bid-to-dodge-conviction-for-auckland-airport-assault/BFCPKX5CWBABFDTWQ6QSK7UYQU/
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November 19, 2024 5:30pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Given how much official bullshit was spread, and the huge question marks over excess mortality since, the judge (and really whole medical fraternity) is not qualified to make such a statement. Stay in your lane bud.
  
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  November 19, 2024 6:01pm
- fernglas
  
  She was refused a discharge without conviction. The Judge didn’t accept her story about it being a touch. And she wanted a discharge without conviction so she wouldn’t be impeded in practising law. What a load of bollocks. She’s 64 and has never practised in her life. If you want to engage in civil disobedience, you should be prepared to accept the consequences. What she has done is no different to Rubashkyn.
  
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  November 19, 2024 6:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘What she has done is no different to Rubashkyn.’
    
    nah , the judgement shows the court had to very carefully consider the elements of the assault , which was agreed was a touch to gain attention . Each case was very different .
    
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    November 19, 2024 7:54pm
    - fernglas
      
      “In summary, Ms Gunn was arrogant, rude, overbearing, and offensive in her
      manner in dealing with the complainant. The touch of the complainant’s arm in those
      circumstances, and where Ms Gunn was trying to divert the complainant’s attention
      from her co-defendant (who continued to film the interaction) was a hostile act.”
      Some might argue that a splash of orange juice out of the blue was less hostile. Do the crime, do the time.
      
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      November 19, 2024 9:13pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ms Gunn keeps finger on the trigger
    
    Liz Gunn in this 20 minute video made after today’s court case, rips into, not in this order: Herald reporter Steve Braunias (who later in the clip, was trying to establish whether Gunn is still leader of the political party “NZ Loyal”); the news media generally; the judge; “lawfare”; Ardern, whose father, was Tokelau administrator until 2022. Tokelau’s where, Gunn says, she worked with a lone family that fought Covid measures.
    
    It wasn’t all one way.
    
    Braunias bites back, for example, but after he’s gone the Gunn opinion of him at 8:00 in the clip is “everything a journalist should not be. He’s salacious, he’s gossipy, he takes great delight in, I would have said mischievous, but there’s something much darker about that.”
    
    A fund-raising debate between Braunias and Gunn would likely be entertaining.
    
    Steve Braunias darker? 😆🤣
    
    https://youtu.be/GuNTgMqdRCA?si=P0jx0yZtBl-l4Xnz
    
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    November 19, 2024 9:25pm
- MCōs
  
  “as Liz Gunn described it”
  
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  November 19, 2024 7:08pm
cmm

Cops warn Seymour to stay away.

How about this idea cops: do your bloody job and protect people. Arrest anyone who makes threats of violence.

It is massively unacceptable that “peaceful protesters” are this hostile and a threat to the public.

Seymour is not just one person. He represents the 246,000 people who voted Act in the last election. That is almost 3 times the people that TPM represents.
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November 19, 2024 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Warning David Seymour to stay away is “RACIST”
  No way would the Police want that. Stop any violence by letting the special people win?
  
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  November 19, 2024 5:56pm
Ghost

Second underwater cable cut

Two undersea internet cables in the Baltic Sea have been suddenly disrupted, according to local telecommunications companies, amid fresh warnings of possible Russian interference with global undersea infrastructure.

Article
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November 19, 2024 7:16pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There was a Russian “Research ship” in the Irish sea loitering over the cables it was seen off by the RN.
  
  The number of power and internet cables under the sea is incredible.
  
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  November 19, 2024 7:49pm
- Jack5
  
  The Russians want to snoop on radio traffic between the two countries instead.
  
  Like the British midget submarines cutting Japanese cables in South-east Asia in World War 2. Americans had broken Japanese radio codes and the Allies wanted to listen in as crucial communications were forced on to radio.
  
  Or, perhaps, a Russian move to scare Swedes, Finns, and Lithuanians that a Russian attack is possible.
  
  WW2 cable cutting:
  
  https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/wars-and-missions/world-war-ii-1939-1945/events/little-known-operations-1939-1945/cutting-cables
  
  AND
  
  https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/180139
  
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  November 19, 2024 7:55pm
Ra Henare

Just to confirm my suspicions about crap media.

There was no anti Jewish program in Amsterdam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ0MJr6v0bI
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November 19, 2024 7:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Ra Henare Aus ABC is as pathetic as it gets. Even worse than RNZ and TVNZ. Just hard core spin in support of lefty narratives fueled by approx $1000, 000, 000 AU of (utterly wasted) taxpayer dollars.
  
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  November 19, 2024 10:01pm

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