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January 22, 2025 11:00am by David Farrar

Another good TPB submission

A good submission from Bryce Wilkinson below.

Wilkinson Submission on the Treaty Principles Bill Download

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PurplePen

This quote from his submission is an interesting point. Worthy of a grant to research it.

“The implicit assumption, tenaciously held, is that great statistical disparities in
demographic “representation” could not occur without discrimination. This key
assumption is seldom tested against data on group disparities in qualifications.
For example, as of the year 2001, there were more than 16,000 Asian American
students who scored above 700 on the mathematics SAT, while fewer than 700 black students scored that high—even though blacks outnumbered Asian
Americans several times over.
Data such as these are simply passed over in utter silence—or are drowned out by strident assertions of “covert” discrimination as explanations of a dearth of blacks in institutions and occupations requiring a strong background in
mathematics”. Thomas Sowell, Hoover Digest, 2004.
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January 22, 2025 12:31pm
NK

Another intelligent, well-argued submission on a Bill that Mr Luxon sees as “simplistic” and contains “nothing that he likes”.
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January 22, 2025 1:04pm
- Cassandra
  
  Which says more about Mr Luxon than the Bill. If Luxon had said “The Principles should have been defined n 1975 and we’ll now start that process. This Bill, in my opinion, is too simplistic but at least it’s a start” he’d have done himself and National a favour.
  
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  January 22, 2025 1:27pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I find Luxon’s arrogant refusal to consider the submissions made to the select committee very revealing. It’s a continuation of the contempt National typically show to right wing voters – taking their support for granted. This allows National lefties to cosy up to the MSM, intellectuals and beltway bubble, currying favour in the hope of securing the ever elusive 4th term of steady as she goes government.
    At this point I hope they roll Luxon and install someone with vision – probably a forlorn hope. I’m neutral on whether I want them to win a 2nd term. If L/G/TPM look too threatening I will emigrate.
    
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    January 22, 2025 2:38pm
    - Cassandra
      
      I’d like National to win a second term on 25%, with Act on 20% and NZF on 15%.
      
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      January 22, 2025 3:56pm
- Cara
  
  A point made very strongly in this thoughtful submission, is that the strength of opposition to the Treaty Principles Bill suggests that too many groups have too much to lose by allowing a matter fundamental to the constitution of this country to be widely examined by its people. Thus, while we could continue on doing our best to provide reparation for past wrongs without defining the Treaty Principles in Law, our status as a stable democracy is almost certainly at risk.
  
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  January 22, 2025 5:03pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  I’m finding Luxon as irritating as Ardern.
  
  He’s patronizing. He often talks as though he’s addressing a kindergarten class. Every second sentence begins with that idiotic “what I would say to you is…”. He waffles and refuses to just state his position on fundamental issues that should be basic stuff for any serious politician. And he looks like a engorged sausage that some prankster drew a face on and dressed in a tie. Basically he would not look out of place decorating a float in a Pride Parade. Nothing wrong with that, just not very statesman-like.
  
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  January 22, 2025 6:15pm
Paulus

Sadly forNew Zealand, and our current Prime Minister and his National Party, being totally and deliberately by criticised by the Media Estate continually, will find that polls will not favour with the current elected Coalition Government.
Whilst the media party are not actually anti Government, this they feel keeps them in a job, by being paid via various means to sell anything.
Mainly they are uneventual knowalls, without Google even, as they know best.
The more you shout fire the more people will believe it.
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January 22, 2025 1:57pm
kiwikidsnz

Why its needed:

“The Taxpayers’ Union can reveal through an Official Information Act request that Landcare Research gave $4,027,020 on the Oranga (Wellbeing) Project – including treating Kauri dieback with potions made from Whale-oil and music from whale song (yes, seriously) as part of the MBIE-administered National Science Challenges.”

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/whalesong_trees

Further, from the TPU email

“…we’ve uncovered that the “research” was outsourced to a private “not for profit” company: Te Tira Whakamātaki Limited.

And that’s when we came to a stunning realisation – which now explains why the departments have been so cagey about giving us information on the project…

According to Te Tira Whakamātaki Ltd’s website, its “Co-funder and Trustee” is Melanie Mark-Shadbolt.

And here’s the startling thing: Ms Mark-Shadbolt is also the Co-Director of the very same BioHeritage Science Challenge Science – i.e. the Government initiative funding the project!

I had the team work through the finances and Charities Commission records of Ms Mark-Shadbolt’s company. The company’s costs are almost entirely salaries (surprise, surprise!), and its charitable purpose is merely “Provides advice, information, and advocacy”.
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January 22, 2025 3:31pm
- freedom101
  
  And isn’t Melanie Mark-Shadbolt Ron Mark’s daughter? All this stuff just enriches the elite. Nothing reaches poor Maori.
  
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  January 22, 2025 5:07pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Sorry – what is the point of these “good” submissions when the whole process is just a tick in the box before the bill is voted down by gutless Luxon and Winnie?? Why waste so much time? Move on bros.
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