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Morgan H

NZ First polling 2024:
Highest Point – 7.6 (Taxpayer’s Union-Curia – October)
Median – 6
Average 5.91
Lowest Point – 4.2 (1 News-Verian – April)

Maori Party polling 2024:
Highest Point – 9 (Roy Morgan – November)
Average 4.22
Median – 3.75
Lowest Point – 2.3 (Taxpayer’s Union-Curia – February)
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January 17, 2025 8:01am
- pdm
  
  MH how about a bit more explanation re the relevance of this and other similar posts.
  
  They are a mystery to me.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:47am
- cmm
  
  I would ignore the TPM poll from February.
  
  The TPM march massively swayed the racist vote. Many racists apparently signed up for the Maori roll.
  
  The only real question here is whether the determination and TPM support will last.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:24am
  - Colville
    
    I believe TPM support will grow a few percent as Labour declines just as Greens strengthen on the back of a weak Labour.
    Hipkins is AWOL and the rest are empty suits.
    
    Only wildcard is the fallout of the Waipareira Trust … but I am not holding my breath for any sanctions there.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:05am
    - cmm
      
      Only a few % is a huge shift when they are already only a few %.
      
      Remember that every TPM supporter is a rabid racist. It does not take many like that to cause huge problems in the country as a whole.
      
      I seriously doubt they will be happy to try to achieve their goals through the ballot box. The numbers just don’t work for that.
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It it makes the left unelectable
        
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        January 17, 2025 1:23pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Their support have come from the greens, so they are nutbar so possibly, but what will happen when their corruption is aired next week? Hipkins is going to have to rule them out, but he is a weasel and gutless
    
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    January 17, 2025 1:22pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “The only real question here is whether the determination and TPM support will last.”
    
    The new support seems to be a mix of media hype and also the expectation of a payday of some sort.
    When both disappear there will be a backlash. Probably about the same time they realise how different a lifestyle their leaders enjoy at their (and our)expense.
    
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    January 17, 2025 1:44pm
- Philview
  
  The Taxpayer Curia poll today has NZ First on 8.2%. National are on 29% and below Labour.
  
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  January 17, 2025 1:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and it looks like thanks to the TPB the government are losing the centre. Notice Act Dow quite a bit
    
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    January 17, 2025 2:55pm
    - Philview
      
      The media of course are largely hiding major corruption issues that would scare voters away from the likely Left Coalition.
      
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      January 17, 2025 6:20pm
    - westernScientist
      
      umm… ACT is up over 2% from the election in the current poll, in fact bar the early December TUC poll its the highest they have polled since june last year.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:02pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    National are on 29% and below Labour.
    
    Which would suggest there is now a fatal percentage of stupid people in NZ (regardless of how gutless you think National is).
    
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    January 17, 2025 6:02pm
  - westernScientist
    
    In the last 6 polls they have ranged from 28.5 to 37 with no trend, although overall they do have a downward trend without much of an upward trend in NZF or ACT which is a bit concerning. Labour are overall trending up, but greens are trending down.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:07pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Immunisation for babies is free.

How is it that this mother, or her partner, or their whanau, or their iwi couldn’t have jumped in the car and gone to the local medical centre, or another medical centre, or nearest hospital, to get the jab?

If these people have a car that they used for another purpose, then the pepe’s death is on them. If they don’t have a car, how is it that they think they’re equipped to bring a child into the world?

I’m sorry for them, and sorrier for the baby, but am hacked off with being blamed for other people’s bad decisions.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/539170/whooping-cough-death-highlights-failures-in-healthcare-system-maori-paediatrician
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January 17, 2025 8:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Laziness
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:50am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks my understanding is that they are in Northland.
  
  My further understanding in the last few years Dr Shane Reti has given is time during Parliamentary recesses (and there seem to be plenty of those) driving to outlying areas in Northland to do such vaccinations.
  
  Probably at his cost because he seems that type of man.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:50am
- PurplePen
  
  How is it that with the likes of Te Puni Kokiri, Min of Maori Affairs, a Minister for Maori, Te Whatu Ora, the likes of Waiparera Trust, the millions if not billions of dollars provided specifically to Maori, all manner of other Maori agencies etc and decades of it all that anyone from maoridom can say the system is failing Maori. It must be that Maori are failing themselves or their own people. With all the above support, how could any Maori parent not know what medical services are available for their child.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Do we know the ratio of Maori children, say from ages
    under 5
    5 to 1o
    10 to15
    15 to 18
    ?
    What is the secret and what is the truth !
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “It must be that Maori are failing themselves or their own people. ”
    
    The awful truth. To be fair though it’s a sub culture of (part)”Maori” that are definitely failing themselves.
    
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    January 17, 2025 6:06pm
- Mummy
  
  Do we know how old the baby was? Maybe too young for the jab. Still, must’ve caught it off someone.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:17am
  - cmm
    
    This was not the covid jab. This was the whooping cough jab.
    
    Babies can get the whooping cough vaccination at 6 weeks. If the mother gets the vaccine while pregnant then protection is passed through to the unborn baby,
    
    https://info.health.nz/immunisations/vaccines-aotearoa/whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:51am
kevn

The deal is not quite there…
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israels-netanyahu-accuses-hamas-trying-back-out-cease-fire-deal
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January 17, 2025 8:08am
- Paulus
  
  You really do not accept that Hamas and Iran will actually do anything which we would call honourble ?
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:39am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nope.
    
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    January 17, 2025 6:07pm
- redeye
  
  Israel to release 30 to 50 prisoners for each hostage. Shows clearly who wants peace more.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:44am
  - artemisia
    
    Those prisoners in Israel’s jails will have been treated at least adequately. I don’t suppose annual cost per is anything like New Zealand’s but still serious savings if many are released.
    
    They should be in reasonable health to get stuck into helping clear Gaza rubble. Chances of re-entering Israel must be low as they will be easily identified by smart systems.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:04am
    - cmm
      
      Every one of those prisoners is there for a reason (hint: not overdue library fines).
      Likely they will be back behind an AK47 within hours of being released.
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:52am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      With Gaza being a mountain of rubble, could be some of those Palestinians prefer to remain in an Israeli jail a bit longer.
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    Loath as I am to say this . But every terrorist released for Israeli hostages is an invitation to another spiral of violent hostage taking and it will never end.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:52am
- Grunter
  
  The Jihadists and the Zionists will never live peacefully. They both want to eradicate the other (that’s called Genocide).
  
  Evil Governments and their radical followers killing citizens that just want to get on with life.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:57am
  - Allan
    
    Any evidence to support that the Zionists want to exterminate the Jihadists?
    
    And I don’t mean as a response to being attacked?
    
    I mean as a deliberate pre-emptive intention.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:20am
    - cmm
      
      If Israel wanted to kill Gazans or commit genocide they have the capability to have bombed the place from one end to the other with no warnings.
      
      There would have be over a million casualties.
      
      There are not 1 million casualties, so they clearly had no intention of hurting civilians.
      
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      January 17, 2025 5:51pm
  - kowtow
    
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    You miss the point . There’s a very long and real history of Islamic imperialism/supremicism , in fact from and part of its very foundation , to this day .
    The daily prayer that so many western commentators are so emotionally moved by is not a prayer , but a reminder to the “faithful” that Jews and Christians are wrong ‘uns.
    
    Israel is a canary in the coalmine .
    
    The supremicists now live in the tens of millions across the west .
    
    Who’s next .
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:56am
  - AitchW
    
    That’s ridiculous. There is no suggestion that Israel wants to eradicate anyone other than those who attack them. Can you give one example where the Israelis have attacked any of their neighbours without provocation?
    The jihadists, on the other hand make no secret of their desire to eradicate every single Jew.
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:01pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  There will never be peace in the ME. There is too much hatred of the Jews. There is also much hatred in the West including in NZ. As regards the ME this is religious but in the West it is envy.
  The Jews are the most successful people where ever they settle. If I was in charge I would welcome as many Jews as wanted to settled in NZ and I would pass the strictest antsemitism laws that saw those from overseas deported and NZ citizens incarcerated for a very long time.
  NZ needs to import success not the failure it imports now.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:10am
  - mandk
    
    Correct: there will never be peace in the ME.
    
    Even if the Iranians and their puppets succeeded in killing all the Jews and wiping Israel off the map, there would ensue a battle between the different factions of Islam that would make the current conflict look like a playground spat by comparison.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:27am
    - LB
      
      Just look at what happened to the Yazidis, Armenians and other minorities in the region when the gloves are off, they get enlightened by the religion of peace.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:53am
  - artemisia
    
    There are several mainly Jewish communities in South America.
    
    Ashkenazi Jews are usually considered the most intelligent group on the planet.
    
    New Zealand could encourage that immigration.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    It is not the hatred of Israel, it is hatred of what Israel represents, that they will never get.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:45am
  - kowtow
    
    I don’t think any community should welcome the extremists , who live in self imposed ghettoes and despise everyone else around them, shunning even the most basic of vaccinations etc
    
    But yes other than that I’d agree with your sentiment.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:59am
- Ra Henare
  
  Interesting.
  So you (and foxnews) accept at facevalue without references or details ANYTHING That Netanyahu says.
  
  I suspect Israel was strong-armed to agree a deal before Trump takes office so Biden can claim a “win”, but Netanyahu scuppers AGAIN the peace deal.
  https://time.com/6836903/israel-gaza-biden-post-war-plan/
  
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  January 17, 2025 3:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    But you accept the ‘Times’ version because it fits the narrative you want to believe…
    You’re a joke.
    
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    January 17, 2025 7:29pm
- leoj
  
  Love what Pete Hegseth said:
  
  The Gaza wars continues until every last member of Hamas is destroyed
  
  Amen
  
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  January 17, 2025 4:27pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Ben Shapiro gives a good summary of what is going on:
  
  https://rumble.com/v6a1mzm-ep.-2118-trump-gets-hostage-deal-in-gaza.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
  
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  January 17, 2025 6:14pm
greybeard

So NCEA Level 1 pass rates are lousy this year: obviously this requires more Teacher-Only Days to solve the problem !
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January 17, 2025 8:09am
- GazzaW
  
  I find it strange that Asian families have very little problem with low NCEA pass rates. Could at least part of the answer lie in the home environment rather than at school?
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:47am
  - pdm
    
    Almost certainly Gazz.
    
    Their desire to educate themselves and their families is predominant in their way of life.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:53am
  - Simon
    
    “Could at least part of the answer lie in the home environment rather than at school?”
    
    No its something else.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:35am
    - cmm
      
      Something, something colonialism?
      Or something, something, IQ is hereditary.
      
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      January 17, 2025 5:55pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      What’s the deal?
      
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      January 17, 2025 6:22pm
  - cmm
    
    As crap as NZ schools might be, they are perfectly adequate for passing NCEA and getting sufficient education to go to university.
    
    The biggest missing factor is just showing up and making use of the massive resources made available to school kids and parents.
    
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    January 17, 2025 5:54pm
- kowtow
  
  The more “we” lower standards ( in order to be inclusive ) the worse things will get .
  
  That’s why the so called “centre right” steady as we go mantra is not good enough.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:50am
- penguincouple
  
  No – it means that we did not dumb down the curriculum enough to cater for the “modern learners”.
  
  From memory, a few years ago NZQA introduced a number of Driver Licensing unit standards for NCEA Level 1, in order to make Level 1 more achievable for some. Perhaps we now need to introduce “I do not soil my pants” as new Level 1 standards to increase the pass rates.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:01am
  - imalwaysright
    
    This is from the NZQA website:
    “You need 80 credits to achieve an NCEA certificate at each level: 60 credits at that level or above, plus 10 Literacy or Te Reo Matatini credits and 10 Numeracy or Te Pāngarau credits.
    
    You only need to meet the 20-credit Literacy and Numeracy or Te Reo Matatini and Te Pāngarau requirement once. After you’ve met the requirement, it counts for every level of NCEA.”
    
    How sad is that.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:13am
    - Paulus
      
      What is Te Reo Matatini and 10 numeracy, or Te Pangarau credits ?
      Language I do not understand and never will, so why do you expect different results with different languages for the same subject ?
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:48am
    - Nobby2
      
      Can someone please tell me what te reo matatini and te pangarau are.
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:27am
      - sirknz
        
        ‘Te’ means ‘The’.
        
        Everything else is a bit more difficult to understand.
        
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        January 17, 2025 12:15pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  NCEA is a product of the colonial-capitalist system and must be resisted!
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:24am
- PurplePen
  
  UK has had O-level exams since 1951. The USA has had their SAT exam since 1926! How is it that a miniscule country such as NZ has had all manner of ever changing assessment regime over the same period and to what end or success.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Ask the Teachers and their Unions, who control all education in New Zealand.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:49am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Ask Chris Hopkins’ mummy. She’s an educational “expert” isn’t she?
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:18pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, and wanted to hide chemistry and biology from science ffs
        
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        January 17, 2025 1:26pm
Chuck Bird

Hamas has reneged on the agreed deal at the last minute. It appears that some of the 33 hostages will be returned in body bags. If the deal does not go ahead I hope Trump does what he said he would.
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January 17, 2025 8:11am
- pdm
  
  I expect Hamas reneging will be a regular occurrence.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:36am
  - Grunter
    
    Yep, which is exactly what Netanyahu needs to happen if he is to survive himself. His entire career is about creating Greater Israel. He can only achieve that goal by eradicating the Jihadists.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:01am
- Graeme Hall
  
  According to an interview of Fox News with the relevant politician – out of 33 hostages 25 still alive 8 dead.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:39am
  - NothingLeft
    
    8 people dying in a year is awfully bad luck. Unless you are being beaten and raped several times a day by antediluvian animals.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:29am
    - Groggy
      
      Or bombed by your own countrymen
      
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      January 17, 2025 2:34pm
      - cmm
        
        Groggy, let me correct that for you.
        
        What you meant to say was “Or being used as human shields by a terror group.”
        
        Using civilians or POWs as a human shield is against the rules of war.
        
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        January 17, 2025 5:58pm
- G152
  
  Stand by for the next war. hamas are nothing but anti jewish funded by countries that are anti Jewish
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:08am
  - Grunter
    
    Correct.
    
    And Israel is anti-Palestine and funded by the USA MIC.
    
    Both sides are evil. Mass killing and genocide will continue by both.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:02am
    - Allan
      
      Really?
      
      So according to you if the palestinians laid down their arms the Israelis would keep attacking them?
      
      You really believe that?
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:24am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s laughable the pro Hamas crowd and the Saturday marchers ( that our media are so happy to parade in front of our noses)
        
        Free Palestine they demand.
        
        Yet there was a free Palestine , Gaza . And it was turned into the biggest , militarised , violent , terrorist redoubt in the Middle East .
        
        Anyone supporting a “Free Palestine”( that is not democratic , secular and peaceful) is an extremist and deserving of nothing but contempt.
        
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        January 17, 2025 11:04am
      - Matt Long
        
        Yes there’s two obvious possible scenarios for peace in Israel. Both vanishingly unlikely.
        One, the Palestinians convert from Islam and lay down their arms and seek prosperous cooperation.
        Two, the Israelis lay down their arms and are murdered, raped, tortured and enslaved, leaving the Palestinian Muslims a period of peace before they go to war with each other again.
        
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        January 17, 2025 11:19am
    - RightNow
      
      Yeah, probably. My level of giving a shit about either side has decreased to zero. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:36am
      - Matt Long
        
        The Islamist side is coming to city near you soon, might be something to keep in mind.
        
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        January 17, 2025 12:34pm
    - Nobby2
      
      Get a grip of yourself Grunter and tell us what you mean by evil and what the definition of genocide is and who is committing it. If someone punches me in the nose, I am going to do every thing to them I can to make sure they can’t do it to me again.
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:39am
Yvette

Treaty and tikanga
Tikanga questioned after three Prime Ministers muted at Dame Tariana Turia’s tangi
However, because of tikanga, Māori language speeches only were permitted – effectively banning Luxon, Hipkins and English from speaking and paying their respects. This was an insult to the office they held.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tikanga-questioned-after-three-prime-ministers-muted-at-dame-tariana-turias-tangi-cale-silich/VF2LMWVOQJCLTKMQ7JJ2O4DQVA/

Supreme Court concludes tikanga Māori part of law of New Zealand
The Supreme Court considered tikanga Māori was relevant to the DMC’s decision on TTR’s applications [ to mine 50 million tonnes of sand a year from the seabed within New Zealand’s exclusive economic zone, EEZ] stemming from two sections of the EEZ Act. First, section 12 of the EEZ sets out how the Crown can achieve its responsibility to give effect to Te Tiriti principles. Secondly, section 59 provides that the DMC must take into account any effect on the environment or existing interests, including any applicable law.
https://www.wynnwilliams.co.nz/insights/local-government/supreme-court-concludes-tikanga-maori-part-of-law-of-new-zealand/

Should tikanga, which silences three of the nations leaders, be considered as the Supreme Court has done, as an addition to New Zealand law, and now a compulsory course for 1st year law students?
Which leads to a second question: Has tikanga, which similarly silences the Maori Queen for a year after her father’s death, been adjusted in any way since 1840, as the Treaty hasn’t either.
The American Constitution has 27 amendments, and apparently rulings, like it does not cover abortion rights –
the Treaty: no amendments.

Not even to confirm there are no Principles, or that there are (apparently) – and detail them.
And why would law students study thinking that stopped 184 years ago, if that is the case?
Or deny common courtesy to the nations leaders, or multi-million decisions rest on “legal” thinking with the same technological gap, nearing two centuries?
Or has tikanga evolved with Article 2 sovereignty of practised taonga, but seemingly without any well-publicised documentation?
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January 17, 2025 8:13am
- PurplePen
  
  That’s a very good point, why aren’t there any amendments to our constitutional founding document, the ToW. Brilliant. BTW, constitutional document is other people’s words, not mine.
  
  Tikanga can apply to maori when on their land, in their home, under the rule of their chief or tribe until the cows come home. Knock yourself out. Fill your boots. But how you get from that to courts elevating it outside the above and somehow finding that it says that in the ToW I can’t fathom. They’re in fairyland.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:17am
  - kowtow
    
    “Tikanga” is bullshit.
    
    You can’t have ‘tikanga’ and a court system.
    
    Under “tikanga” one could for example kill the judge , enslave her immediate family , eat the retainers and be fully justified .
    
    Because that’s the tikanga way.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:08am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Women speaking on marae? Historically, just Ngati Porou, as far as I know.
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:33pm
- Interested Party
  
  Well technically it’s only a treaty, not a constitution – although many are treating it as such
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:24am
cmm

As I wrote yesterday, I wasn’t expecting the ceasefire to last.

But I was expecting them to at least wait until the tea had gone cold.

A deal is not a bit of paper. A deal is what actually happens on the ground.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/israel-accuses-hamas-of-backtracking-on-ceasefire-deal-strikes-gaza/VXT5NQYM6NFOXLEOELHHMKDHM4/
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January 17, 2025 8:17am
artemisia

Whooping cough death highlights failures in healthcare system – Maori paediatrician

There does seem to be a systemic issue with various too low immunisation rates, but not necessarily with ‘the system’. Question – did the parents know about immunisation or not. If yes, seems there was some level of decision not to do it, good reason or not. If no, did the medical oversight of a pregnancy, birth and afterwards fail to mention it.

I would hope that experts consulted by media in the current sad death are not using it to score points wrt the public health role cuts proposal.

Before the whooping cough vax some littlies were taken up in a plane to hopefully relieve symptoms. That gives a clue to how distressing symptoms are.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/539170/whooping-cough-death-highlights-failures-in-healthcare-system-maori-paediatrician
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January 17, 2025 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Sinclair said he understood the mother was unable to get immunised.”
  
  I assume they mean the baby not the mother.
  
  Seriously, is there any mother in New Zealand who cannot get health care for her baby? Maori families have been living in rural remote areas forever.
  
  It is very sad.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    No, if the pregnant person gets immunised it is passed through to the unborn pepi.
    
    I assume it also works for mothers and babies too.
    
    I am sure the pregnant person was able to travel through to a town to buy smokes and food.
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:50am
    - Allan
      
      WTF is a pepi?
      
      Is that the other major cola drink brand?
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:26am
      - wsk12345
        
        It’s a Maori baby I think. Up to toddler age then they call them something else.
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:55am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Pepi” is a bastardisation of “baby”.
        
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        January 17, 2025 2:03pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Wanna go Pepi
        
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        January 17, 2025 3:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pacific Islander (with a heavy accent) pronunciation of the word “baby”?
        
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        January 17, 2025 6:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      Should be able as she has a Pepi, whatever that is,
      – assume it is an unborn foetus but of course different.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:54am
- pdm
  
  `I would hope that experts consulted by media in the current sad death are not using it to score points wrt the public health role cuts proposal.’
  
  Be assured Arty – some, maybe even most will be point scoring and not only on restructuring/cuts.
  
  I think Michael Baker was interviewed on this so rest my case.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:40am
  - MCōs
    
    I’ve never heard of anyone using deaths to point score in vaccine debates before
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      If you listen to Baker then about a third of the deaths in NZ are due to flu.
      If you count flu deaths they way they count Covid deaths then he’s probably right.
      
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      January 17, 2025 8:52am
    - CJames
      
      Aren’t you missing the sarc tags here?
      
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      January 17, 2025 8:52am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Mcõs: you mean as The Herald is?
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:00am
- cmm
  
  I had whooping cough when I was a child (1960s) which gave me some immunity later on when my family got it in about 2008. Two teenagers and a missus with a cough that went on for weeks.
  
  That would suggest that whooping cough vaccines are one of the “real” vaccines that actually work well with a long lifetime. Being a bacterial vaccine one might expect that.
  
  Thanks to the lies from “the system” in the last few years it is not surprising that people don’t go out of their way to get jabs.
  
  Has the system as a whole failed? Well the system is there to provide whooping cough vaccinations for those that want it. However “the system” undermined the value of the vaccines they provide by conflating them with the Covid vaccine and flu vaccines – and continuing to do so.
  
  That was a very stupid thing to do. Many warned this would backfire – including myself.
  
  Cindy, Baker and friends seem oblivious to the harm they caused by not being honest.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:47am
  - MCōs
    
    “Well the system is there to provide whooping cough vaccinations for those that want it.”
    There is a whole list of other vaccines besides whooping cough and for a good many the individual has no choice in the matter because their life is controlled by someone else.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      Correct. Not just vaccines, but other actions too.
      
      “The system” is providing misinformation, from which the “pregnant person” must decide what they are bothered to do for their unborn child or baby.
      
      Since over 40% of Maori mothers drink during pregnancy and about the same % smoke, it would seem very unlikely that they are going to go out of their way to consider the forthcoming baby’s best interests.
      
      If you continue to smoke and drink, chances are you’re not going to stand in line for a jab to help the baby either.
      
      If the doctor in the article had a shred of integrity he would shine a light on where the main problems are.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:20am
      - MCōs
        
        According to this article less than 15% of Māori women smoke
        https://www.smokefree.org.nz/facts/law-policy-and-research/smoking-rates-and-figures#:~:text=14.7%25%20(down%20from%2037.3%25,and%2014.4%25%20among%20M%C4%81ori%20men.&text=12.3%25%20(down%20from%2022.6%25,long%2Dterm%20trend%20is%20downward.
        
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        January 17, 2025 9:57am
      - Colville
        
        MCos.
        So just three times the rate of the general population then?
        
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        January 17, 2025 11:12am
      - cmm
        
        MCos: THis is what I read:
        
        https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/research/alcohol-use-in-pregnancy/alcohol-use-in-pregnancy-and-neurocognitive-outcomes.pdf
        
        An astounding number of Maori mothers do not give a shit about the child they are carrying.
        It is likely that the same mothers won’t be bothered to get jabbed either.
        
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        January 17, 2025 11:57am
      - Countrygirl
        
        Sorry should have been an uptick
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:11pm
    - Yvette
      
      Has recent emergence of whooping cough in babies become an issue since vaccine policy has been questioned regarding covid and has seen a subsequent drop in all vaccination?
      – or the vaccination decline: 1st covid injection to 2nd, to booster, to anything since?
      
      Does this indicate poor education with the extension of vaccine ‘technology’ in covid injections (and God knows, they used enough tv ads to have devoted a few to more explicit education)
      – or poor re-promotion of traditional vaccines since.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:39am
      - Keith White
        
        Yes.
        
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        January 17, 2025 3:21pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Cindy had 20,000,000 reasons what she said what she said.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:03am
  - wsk12345
    
    My niece has had no vaccinations. A few years ago ago her entire high school class got whooping cough. 25 kids. She was the only one who did not get it.
    
    Her parents were not vaccinated for it either as it wasn’t offered when they were babies.
    
    So does it work? Well it possibly makes some difference based on my small sample but not sure it’s going in the right direction.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:59am
    - cmm
      
      I of course don’t know for sure, but she probably encountered whooping cough earlier in her life (or something sufficiently close that gives some degree of cross-immunity).
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:59am
      - wsk12345
        
        And the 24 kids who were vaxxed? Clearly worked for them. Or they coincidentally en masse never contacted a light dose earlier in life?
        
        I suspect that my nieces immune system worked as intended. WC isn’t a concern for older kids if they are healthy.
        
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        January 18, 2025 6:09am
- Handyman
  
  To mangle an old saying…
  
  There is plenty of water to drink, but some horses won’t be led.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  This government have gone out of their way to try and get families to immunise their babies, you can’t grab their arm and thrust the needle in I guess, although Labour tried
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:54am
  - Countrygirl
    
    No KFC vouchers or tvs perhaps?
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:13pm
Hugh Jarse

I wonder how long it will take for the UN to collect enough donor funds to help Hamas to start digging its terror tunnels again ?
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January 17, 2025 8:21am
- Ehlana
  
  Have they been damaged?
  
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  January 17, 2025 11:20am
  - sirknz
    
    The UN?
    
    Just their credibility.
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:25pm
Cassandra

“Luxon himself seems disdainful of the people who elevated him to the prime ministership, responding instead to the nakedly ideological objections of individuals and groups who will never vote for National, ACT or NZ First.” Chris Trotter in Law News this morning. Precisely. Trotter goes on to say: “Either Luxon relents and agrees to give voice to the Kiwi populist zeitgeist or National will start casting about for someone who will.”
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January 17, 2025 8:23am
- pdm
  
  The Curia Poll said 68% of National Party Members supported the Treaty Principles Bill as I recall.
  
  Or was it 68% of National Voters?
  
  Members or voters – does the definition really matter?
  
  He is treating them like sxxt!!!
  
  Pleased I have been giving my Party Vote to ACT since 1996.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:47am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “Party Vote to ACT since 1996”
    
    I have not and was an active member of the National Party but now vote Act. I will be going to the Act’s State of the Nation event on Friday 24 Jan. I hope to see some of you on this blog there.
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:54am
    - Morgan H
      
      Luxon is about to lose a sizeable amount of support for National to Act. It’ll be interesting to see the how big the jump is in the next few polls.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:03am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        While I support Seymour’s Principles of the Treaty bill. That is not the main reason I resigned from National. It was Luxon’s climate change alarmism and his poll driven politics. The man has no principles.
        
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        January 17, 2025 9:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        When is that going to start? Because everyone is well aware of the coalition points, and are well aware that Nats and NZF are going to vote this down at second reading, nowhere has a poll shown people are running to Act over this one issue
        
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        January 17, 2025 9:59am
      - Morgan H
        
        Seymour has tried similar strategies in the past. I remember when he tried to get Green voters to switch to Act. Even deleting Act’s climate change policy from their website. Seymour and Luxon are similar. The big difference is after enough time Seymour found key issues not being addressed. Luxon doesn’t have that luxury.
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:13am
      - Morgan H
        
        G: nowhere has a poll shown people are running to Act over this one issue
        
        We don’t have many regular polls, but some of the nearly monthly ones are Roy Morgan and the Taxpayer’s Union-Curia.
        
        RM Oct – Nat 31, Act 9
        RM Nov – Nat 28.5, Act 9
        TUC Nov – Nat 38.8, Act 8.5
        TUC Dec – Nat 34.2, Act 13
        
        The next Roy Morgan will probably be out soon and we should see a bump in Act support.
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Those polls you have shown only has just the one poll showing act well ahead of election night, and that same poll was attached to are you for or against the TPB, so only one poll has shown this and it was manipulated with a push poll over the very issue.
        
        All other polls have had Nats 1% each side of the f ed lactation might result, sorry, but I have not seen this huge drift to act
        
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        January 17, 2025 1:32pm
    - pdm
      
      Too far away for me but I get to most of the Hastings meetings.
      
      Missed the last one though due to a communication breakdown with mrspdm.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:58am
  - GazzaW
    
    Luxon’s flippant off-the-cuff remark to the media prior to his departure to Dubai that he would ‘kill the Bill’ means one more vote from me for Act. How many other disillusioned centrist National voters will follow?
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:56am
    - Ghost
      
      How can you be disillusioned?
      
      Before the election national stated they would not support the bill
      During the election national stated they would not support the bill
      After the election national stated they would not support the bill past the first reading as agreed to by act
      
      Did you just not pay any attention when voting?
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:31am
      - pdm
        
        Ghostie.
        
        No one had seen the bill before the election.
        
        No one had seen the Tamihere family and Maori Party rude and crude orchestrated response either.
        
        Things have changed and Luxon has stayed in his own little cubicle instead of biting the bullet and changing too.
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:02am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I remember him well saying all these things before the election, he never voted Nats, he is lying
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:05am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, here is a look back at all the comments
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-11-2024/how-has-luxons-position-on-the-treaty-principles-bill-changed-over-time
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:15am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No one seen the bill, but everyone knew what a treaty principle bill would mean
        
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        January 17, 2025 10:05am
      - wsk12345
        
        It was the complete disdain with which he made the comment. Like “don’t worry friends, I’ll kill off the bill brought by these filthy racists that vote for me and my coalition partners.”
        
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        January 17, 2025 11:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Delusional is not realising the polls have not moved, the centre is where Nats must stay, and Luxon is well aware, you go to act, but when you get crumbs then do not moan.
      
      Thinking centrist voters are delusional is utterly pathetic, another thing, you have not left Nats this week, you have been spouting anti nat bile since before the election
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:04am
  - cmm
    
    “Members or voters – does the definition really matter?”
    
    Of course it matters. Most voters are not members of any party.
    Non-member voters are far more likely to switch .
    Membership shows a commitment that means people will need significant reasons to shift allegiances.
    If a member cancels their membership or voices a significant opposition then that is a big deal.
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes and the whole time we discuss this, the Nats have never had do many new members, in fact the d as mount of new young members is huge
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:07am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Luxon:
        “We’re going to spike it”
        “We’ll kill it”
        “Don’t worry”
        
        So if Luxon truly believes there are no principles in the Treaty and any legislation mentioning “principles “ is going to be removed. How is that woman recording him at the airport going to feel then when that sinks in? The impression he has just given her (yes, my interpretation) is…
        “Don’t worry love, we’ll keep the status quo. Te Tiriti will remain as is currently being interpreted/used in law/parliament now. Just you ignore ACT and those nasty racists sweety. All good.” My interpretation of those comments is he’s an arrogant two faced t**t playing both sides.
        
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        January 17, 2025 4:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/05/27/govt-moves-to-replace-or-repeal-treaty-principles-clauses-from-laws/
        
        https://www.scribd.com/document/778721331/Scope-of-Treaty-of-Waitangi-clause-review
        
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        January 17, 2025 4:25pm
      - Quail
        
        G G from D,
        Myopic support of any party is not good for New Zealand.
        It is New Zealand and the people in it that are important.
        Their welfare and ability to live and work under the same legal framework for all has made the past success of this country
        And despite any political group or parties attempts to change this should be met with vigorous opposition.
        I really don’t care if they are left ,right or in the centre.
        I care about what is wrong!
        This country urgently needs saving from the disaster of two political systems.
        As the polls suggest there must , at the very least be a
        referendum.
        Support from all parties for ACT s bill is absolutely mandatory.
        
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        January 17, 2025 5:51pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Luxon needs to listen to voters who switched from Nation to Act or NZF.
      
      Taxpayer Update: 🚨 NEW POLL 🚨 Nats now trailing Labour
      
      https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/taxpayer_update_250117?utm_campaign=250117_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
      
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      January 17, 2025 1:26pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        From that TPU page:
        
        China’s 8 million bureaucrats work out to about 0.56 percent of the population. Far too many if you ask me.
        
        Incredibly, the UK has more. Some 0.8 percent of the UK population are bureaucrats.
        
        So how do we compare? Well, with nearly 63,000 taxpayer funded bureaucrats (even after Nicola Willis’ so-called ‘cuts’) that’s some 1.18 percent of the population.
        
        That’s right, on a per-person basis, New Zealand employs twice as many bureaucrats as Communist China.
        
        It’s been well-known that the cuts to the size of the public sector were mainly illusory with vacant positions being disestablished and counted in the total.
        
        Someone should ask Luxon and Willis why China-a communist state–has half the public servants as NZ and watch them defend the NZ public sector. While they’re at it they need to ask Seymour–as Minister of Regulation–the same bloody question.
        
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        January 17, 2025 3:04pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    From Hobson’s Pledge yesterday:
    ” Polling that shows 64% of decided National Party voters support passing the Bill.
    With such a mammoth response to the public consultation and support from all decided coalition party voters (53% NZ First and 95% ACT), the Government should pass this Bill and send it to a referendum.”
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And you lose 10% in the centre back to Labour, good luck
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:08am
  - Colville
    
    pdm.
    
    I am not so sure about your 68% support.
    (happy to be proven wrong)
    
    Maybe 68% were not opposed? so supported or were neutral?
    
    IIRC circa 30% – 40% are a hard no from what I have read.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:15am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Wishful thinking by Trotter. Luxon isn’t a conviction politician: remember how he slapped down Simon O’Connor for making a strong “pro-life” statement on Twitter, despite his own anti-abortion views. Luxon just represents the views of the dominant liberal wing of the Nats and their major backers. So I doubt replacing Luxon with any of the other front-bench options would change the party’s position regarding the Treaty Principles bill.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The treaty bill is a party thing, they know they must maintain the centre
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:09am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      And the question then becomes: who wants to vote for a party that’s apparently committed to maintaining the status quo? Not I.
      
      Though I’ll admit I’m agnostic about the Treaty Principles bill, and am somewhat inclined to NZF’s position that there are NO treaty principles. The problem, however, is that the judiciary have invented their own “treaty principles”, which are now imposed on us.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It it makes the left unelectable status who is not being maintain though is it? They are already taking the treaty out of all law, when Seymour speaks about this bill, he always goes back to about what is good for law. How can you call this the status quo, that’s why you Act died in the wool voters are irrelevant as time goes by, if you want the stud quit keep it up, it is separatist Labour with greens and TPM in cabinet
        
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        January 17, 2025 1:52pm
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        “They are already taking the treaty out of all law, ”
        
        So they say. Evidence?
        
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        January 17, 2025 2:27pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Kiwikids: sorry, accidental down tick.
        I’ve not seen any evidence either. Happy to see it if someone could post it.
        
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        January 17, 2025 4:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Given the way western politics are going , how’s maintaining that centre holding up.In fact it’s the mythical “centre” that’s the real problem.
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:12am
- imalwaysright
  
  Many on this site have tried to work out why he won’t explain his reasons.
  Maybe its time to accept that he doesn’t want to, and he’s not going to change his mind.
  
  In that case, he can’t be Prime Minister.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, not sticking to the coalition agreement would see him not fit to be pm
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:10am
- MCōs
  
  The leader of the National Party is decided by the caucus, not the members or the voters and certainly not Seymour or Peters.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:16am
- RoboRob
  
  The problem is there are three groupings of voters…
  
  a) I always vote for party x regardless
  b) Informed and politically active voters
  c) Uninformed voters
  
  Over 50% of NZ voters are in category a. I make this comment based on Nationals ‘core’ base being in the low 20% range and Labours core base being in the 28-32% range.
  
  I suspect of the remaing categories, uninformed voters outway informed voters. So if b and c make up 45% of the voting base, probably greater then 60% are made up of uninformed voters. That estimate means that only about 18% of voters are informed and capable of voting for alternative parties.
  
  This is a very round about way of saying, Luxon may not care what people think. Only ~18% of voters will move based on policy and a good portion of that 18% may agree with Luxon. Those that dont might still vote National for other reasons even if they disagree on the treaty principles bill.
  
  This is the only thing I can see that explains why National hasn’t taken a hit in the polls.
  
  I hope with time the informed swing away from National as it is clearly the only way they will get the message with regards to this bill. Unfortunately at the moment Luxon is rightly confident his position is a winner.
  
  Note: I am not saying I want a left wing government, but it is clear that a poll shift away from National is the only thing that will move them on this.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:27am
  - muzled
    
    As always RR, follow the science.
    
    Especially the political science…
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:09am
  - Colville
    
    Robo.
    
    I think the 4th group is the important one.
    
    The people who are swayed at the last minute by media and vote by what they feel rather than knowledge.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:18am
    - RoboRob
      
      Your 4th group is part of my third, I count them as uninformed 🙂
      
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      January 17, 2025 1:12pm
      - Colville
        
        uninformed or misinformed?
        
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        January 17, 2025 2:29pm
- Simon
  
  Lol – if you voted National you were a mug.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:38am
  - RoboRob
    
    Didn’t vote National this time but certainly feeling a bit ripped off at the moment.
    
    1st year free uni changed to 3rd year free.
    Free school lunches changed to ‘cheaper’ free school lunches.
    Treaty bill blocked.
    Govt size reduced (yah) but to only what it was a few months before the election.
    Maori titles and wording still all over all govt departments a year after promising to tone it down.
    More borrowing then labour.
    Labour Google media bill promoted by National
    Race relations minister refuses to comment on racially segregated event with pricing based on race.
    
    Sure there have been heaps of good changes but it really does feel like a left wing government with better management. Labour under Helen clark?
    
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    January 17, 2025 1:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If you vote Act you’re a mug
    
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    January 17, 2025 1:52pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Hi G
      
      I understand your frustration with Act supporters saying ‘if you voted National you were a mug’.
      
      However see my post above as to why some National supporters might be somewhat frustrated. Have you seen the Luxon video discussed yesterday. How do you feel about his stance on Acts bill now?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd0nxmDkrto
      
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      January 17, 2025 2:26pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      G: “if you vote Act you’re a mug”
      Why?
      
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      January 17, 2025 4:03pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The same as him saying you are a mug for voting Nats, do I really have to spell it out after his pathetic post?
        
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        January 17, 2025 8:00pm
- Yvette
  
  Luxon
  … Having spent some time with him a couple of years ago (just before he became leader of the National Party), I was genuinely impressed by his views on Māori issues and on social policy in general (though I know my Labour and Māori Party friends wouldn’t love hearing me say that).
  
  He has the potential to lead with a more inclusive and collaborative approach, particularly on issues that matter deeply to our communities. The challenges facing New Zealand – employment, healthcare, economic resilience, and climate change – demand leadership that builds bridges rather than reinforcing divides. I hope Luxon leans into this potential, as our country and its people deserve nothing less.
  – Dr Areti Metuamate (Ngāti Kauwhata, Ngāti Raukawa ki te Tonga, Ngāti Hauā) is an Indigenous politics and policy academic, currently based in Melbourne where he is the Master and Head of Ormond College
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/01/16/nz-better-off-when-luxon-leans-into-his-potential/
  
  “I hope Luxon leans into this potential”…
  I think it is likely Luxon has already leaned – relentlously and very repeatedly – and if he leant any more markedly it would confirm the fear so many people believe, in the way he does lean.
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:04pm
Matt Long

Breaking; in addition to annexing Gay North Dakota, the Trump Canal, and Mara Lago Land, in a 5D chess move Trump will end the Ukraine war by annexing Communist West Alaska and renaming the Bering Sea, Barron Straits.
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January 17, 2025 8:26am
Tomtoddy

Methane is supposed to be NZ’s biggest climate change problem. But try finding out how much the country produces and you will have a headache. You would think it would be easy to find a total tonnes number seeing we are prepared to spend hundreds of millions of taxpayers and industry money on reducing it.

Here is a challenge. Can anyone find the total tonnes of methane emissions in NZ? I am offering a substantial prize to who ever gets it right and can show a sound reference.

Go for it.
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January 17, 2025 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  https://environment.govt.nz/facts-and-science/climate-change/new-zealands-greenhouse-gas-inventory/#sectors-covered-in-the-inventory
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    That information is a load of toss, put out by people whose jobs depend on creating narratives that keep them employed.
    
    A simple rule of physics is that if you cannot isolate a space, and control what goes into it and what goes out of it, measuring it is nigh on impossible.
    
    It would be like to trying to estimate how many blow flies or white tail spiders are in existence in NZ at any one point in time.
    
    If said researchers came out and said “climate change is caused by the sun”, or “the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour, and that is controlled by the sun”, they would not have a job next week.
    
    Likewise if Michael Baker came out and told the truth, and said Covid was a con, as were the vaccines, people will demand to know what happened to the $90,000,000,000 that Labour printed or borrowed to eliminate it.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:20am
    - JackRabbit
      
      In addition you have to somehow measure what is produced but mitigated at source i.e. never gets into the upper atmosphere.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “…never gets in the upper atmosphere.”
        Correct. Plants use CO2 and oceans absorb it because it is at ground level. Its heavier than air.
        
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        January 17, 2025 12:02pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is produced using exactly the same methodology applied by every country. It is New Zealand’s official emissions inventory. Produced the exact same way as the emissions inventory of the United States, Australia, and every other member of the UNFCCC.
      
      Despite what you may think, nothing else matters.
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:28pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Benedict,
        
        Contrary to what you believe, professional scientists and analyst actually investigate and crunch the numbers themselves. They never take anyone’s summary at face value. That was drilled into me while still at high school, let alone later in my career.
        
        Research, test, experiment, analyse and repeat.
        
        Despite what you may think, nothing else matters. “They are the sole source of truth.”
        
        Hello Cindy.
        
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        January 17, 2025 3:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In 2019, gross emissions of biogenic methane were about 1.35 MtCH4
  in Aotearoa. Agriculture is the
  largest source of biogenic methane at around 91%, with the remainder from waste (Figure 23.1).
  
  https://www.climatecommission.govt.nz/public/Inaia-tonu-nei-a-low-emissions-future-for-Aotearoa/Chapter-23-inaia-tonu-nei.pdf
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Above report is for emissions of Biogenic methane in NZ . – 1.35Mt methane…
    
    Fraction from Industrial sector is 0.03Mt.
    
    https://www.mfat.govt.nz/assets/Climate-Change-Programme-images/Aotearoa-New-Zealands-Methane-Emissions-Reduction-Plan-Summary-Version.pdf
    
    Now if you want to know the Natural (swamps, estuaries, marine seeps) quantity of methane emissions/ year, then I suspect we haven’t a clue.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:01am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Or methane emissions produced and mitigated at source.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:15am
    - RdM
      
      “Now if you want to know the Natural (swamps, estuaries, marine seeps) quantity of methane emissions/ year, then I suspect we haven’t a clue.”
      
      Some fun reading here:
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/will-there-be-a-war-on-ants/
      and
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/eradicating-termites-with-the-stoke-of-a-pen/
      
      Also:
      https://malagabay.wordpress.com/category/methane-myopia/
      
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      January 17, 2025 1:32pm
- Jethrod
  
  On the back of a Samsung tablet, 490,000 tones annually.
  5 million dairycattle producing 98 kgs each equals….. see above
  What was the prize?
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:46am
  - PurplePen
    
    Add in the quota from human bodily gaseous emissions.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:22am
    - Jethrod
      
      Yes, I had been thinking about the piss and wind from that quarter , you know those that write all the reports and stuff.
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:41pm
- cmm
  
  You will quite often encounter a measurement in terms of equivalent CO2 emissions too (often abbreviated to eCO2), so be careful which numbers you are dealing with.
  
  The molar mass for methane is around 16g/mol. For CO2 it is 44g/mol.
  Due to the concern that methane has a much higher green house gas potential than CO2, each mol of methane counts as approximately 7 mol of CO2.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:03am
  - Handyman
    
    Yes, some things are correct but can be misleading.
    How can burning 1 kg of wood result in emitting 4 kg of CO2 into the atmosphere?
    It is because the oxygen part of CO2 comes from the air so 32/44 (72%) of CO2 is actually already in the atmosphere.
    12/44 comes from the wood.
    
    I am surprised eco protestors (especially those who didn’t go to school) are not freaking out that burning fossil fuels is removing oxygen from the atmosphere.
    
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    January 17, 2025 11:00am
    - Jethrod
      
      Just imagine all the Climate freaks in California at the moment going off their brains, the amount of pollution must be the equivalent of a small volcanic eruption.
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:44pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Can anyone find the total tonnes of methane emissions in NZ?
  
  And report it to an accuracy of within ±5%?
  
  To accurately measure it you would need to put a major beaker over NZ and separate beakers over people, animals, and plants. And a another beaker over the ocean.
  
  With issues like these anything reported as fact, will be ±8000%. It’s a thumb suck.
  
  They still haven’t figured what % of 02 comes from where. The estimate of how much 02 comes from the land, and how much comes from Plankton in the sea is vague.
  
  Estimates of 02 from the sea vary between 50% and 80%, and even that is a guess. Without a giant beaker over the land or the sea, it’s a guess.
  
  And now the discovery in the Pacific Ocean’s Clarion-Clipperton Zone, that 02 is being generated 12,000 feet below the sea surface, at the bottom of the ocean, skews those figures even more.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:14am
- Chuck Bird
  
  This is about CO2 but the same should apply to it as methane regarding saturation.
  
  Collister Johnson: The Saturation effect questions the prevailing narrative on CO2
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/01/collister-johnson-saturation-effect.html#more
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:49am
- thirteenstars
  
  “try finding out how much the country produces ”
  
  The question is moot. All that matters is you accept that methane is doing harm and since NZ produces methane as part of its major export industry, well, the regulatory Pandora’s Box is wide open and doing a crashing business, which is the actual goal.
  
  Who cares what the exact figures are? The Marxists certainly don’t care. All they need is for you to accept their premise and they win.
  
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  January 17, 2025 5:55pm
cmm

Maori deaths are more heartbreaking than European deaths.

This Maori paediatrician says that ethnicity is a factor in the whooping cough outbreak. Possibly he is right.

The whole article is written in English but mainly talks of tamariki and pēpi.

Whew, it looks like this is a non-issue for Europeans and they don’t need to worry about this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360549643/baby-dies-whooping-cough-amid-nationwide-epidemic
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January 17, 2025 8:35am
- Ian
  
  Stuff never use the name “New Zealand” anymore, so what do you expect…..
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Remember the Treaty claim that Maori were denied access to the COVID vaccine? That was purely on the basis of lower Maori take up. Not the same thing.
  
  What are the actual barriers to Maori children being vaccinated?
  
  EDIT Sometimes there is racism in societies. However I just refuse to believe that Maori babies are not being vaccinated because of racism. All health authorities fall over each other to get babies vaccinated. Every doctors surgery has posters and phone numbers. Thanks to Whanau Ora there are hundreds of Maori health providers and nurses.
  
  Honestly, the media need to do better on this issue.
  
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  January 17, 2025 8:42am
  - CJames
    
    It is obviously biased articles like this which explains the increasing irrelevance of the media. I would hazard a guess that only a very small proportion of Stuff readers are Maori and in lower socioeconomic groups. There would also be relatively few of their readers who voted for one of the coalition parties. So preaching to the ever-diminishing faithful.
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:58am
    - cmm
      
      I think it depends which end of the telescope you are looking in to.
      
      You only have to look at the strength of the Maori roll and TPM to see that Maori race baiting seems to be working very well and is probably stronger than it has ever been.
      
      Here we have a professional, a doctor, winding it up too.
      
      Quite likely the race baiting is less effective in the main stream media except to keep pumping white guilt in lefties. I expect the main platforms for Maori race baiting are Tiktok etc.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:11am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘What are the actual barriers to Maori children being vaccinated?’
    
    The problem of course is primarily shit parents.
    
    We actually have an excellent children’s dental care system . Yet the primary cause of childhood hospitalisation ( at one time anyway if not still ) is dental rot and primarily Maoris.
    
    That has to be one of the most preventable diseases and yet ……
    
    …..and Capts Cook and Hobson cannot be blamed for that and yet ……..
    
    What we need is a bit of systemic honesty .Parents , race hustler commentators , educators , health officials and media ;stop blaming others .
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:02am
    - imalwaysright
      
      There are parents who don’t want health professionals near their children because the children are in poor condition because of parental neglect or abuse.
      The infant homicides in this country are the tip of the abuse/ neglect/ torture iceberg.
      
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      January 17, 2025 9:47am
    - wsk12345
      
      Yeah but that’s because Coca Cola for babies bottle is cheaper than boiling and cooling water….
      
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      January 17, 2025 11:11am
  - cmm
    
    “Honestly, the media need to do better on this issue.”
    
    It depends on what you think they are trying to achieve.
    
    Since it would seem their primary goal is race baiting, it would seem they are doing rather well.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:05am
  - RightNow
    
    Not to mention Plunket, who are very whanau focused, and go to the homes (if they’re allowed in)
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:13am
  - JackRabbit
    
    What are the actual barriers to Maori children being vaccinated?
    
    Not enough KFC and other junk food being offered!
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:26am
    - imalwaysright
      
      There seems to be an attitude that the kids come with a lifetime warranty therefore care and maintenance are unnecessary.
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:51am
      - JackRabbit
        
        And idiots believe they can dole out “safe and effective” health treatments, by bribing those who they want to make “healthier”, with unhealthy gifts.
        
        Could be compared to “the beatings will continue until you can learn how to be non-violent.”
        
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        January 17, 2025 4:28pm
  - Eastlander
    
    Anyone who has dealt with Maori patients in a medical or dental practice could tell you – they don’t keep appointments, they don’t pay attention to public health messaging and they don’t seek medical help until something is turning black and dropping off.
    
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    January 17, 2025 9:39am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Anyone who has dealt with Maori patients in a medical or dental practice could tell you – they don’t keep appointments…
      
      Which makes waiting in a queue for 6 months redundant, if you are willing to fill a spot created by a “no-show”, a week after you book.
      
      But it makes “poor health stats” for Maori.
      
      “Lotto is rigged against Maori. Our tribe never wins anything.”
      
      “Don’t you think you would stand a better chance of winning if you actually bought tickets?”
      
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      January 17, 2025 10:37am
      - Eastlander
        
        It’s a low versus high time preference problem I think. If something is causing a problem right now they’ll move on it. If taking action means immediate gain, they’ll do it. Otherwise, no.
        
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        January 17, 2025 12:57pm
  - PurplePen
    
    During covid I went to the Maori run Vax centres because there was never a queue. You could also pick up a bag of sweets or biscuits on your way out.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Nek minnit on the Maori roll ……
      
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      January 17, 2025 12:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Informing women about maternal vaccination in Aotearoa New Zealand: Is it effective?
    
    This study explored how pregnant Māori and Pacific women are informed about vaccination and if the information received was suitable for their needs. Only two of the 15 participants were vaccinated against both influenza and pertussis during their pregnancy. Most women had been informed about maternal vaccines by their midwife, but some were unaware of recommendations for vaccination for pertussis and/or influenza.
    
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0266613823000396
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:35pm
- kevn
  
  cmm… Plenty of resources being put into this BOP maori health clinic.
  https://www.seek.co.nz/Te-T%C4%81wharau-o-te-Whakat%C5%8Dhea-jobs/at-this-company
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:29am
Swifty

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

“A whooping cough death caused by “systemic failures in the healthcare system, a leading Māori paediatrician says.”

“Health New Zealand confirmed on Thursday that an infant died over the Christmas period after contracting pertussis (commonly known as whooping cough), which is highly contagious and can cause serious harm to babies.

It is the first death since an epidemic was declared in November, after cases spiked to levels not seen since 2018.

“Rather unsurprisingly it was a Māori baby, who lived in a rural area, and where it was difficult to access healthcare,” paediatrician Dr Owen Sinclair (Te Rarawa), who is chair of the National Immunisation Taskforce, said.”

I’d really like to know exactly what information Dr Sinclair bases his conclusions on that this was purely the fault of systemic failures in our health system.

There is nothing in the piece that indicates he has any specific knowledge about this mother or child’s individual circumstances or history, other than that they lived in a rural area. He may have, but you just can’t tell.

But anyway, back to his claim. I’d be very interested to know, for example, what other and how many pregnancies there have been in that same rural area over say the last five or ten years and to what degree those pregnancies were to mothers who got themselves and their children immunised?

Is non-immunisation widespread? Or is it fairly rare? If the vast majority of mothers in that rural area manage to get immunisations for themselves and their children, how does one substantiate a claim of ‘systemic failure’ in our health system?

And where is any mention of personal responsibility – or is any failing in our health system whatsoever, and for whatever reason, all out down to ‘systemic failure’?

I remember the great bloody lie put about by many after Kiri Allan got cancer, ably abetted by our news media, that she was yet another victim of a racist health system – but which was blown out of the water by Allan herself when interviewed about it she said “it was entirely my fault, I knew I should have been getting regular tests and check ups but I didn’t because I’ve always felt uncomfortable about things ‘down there’. (My paraphrasing.)

And where was the RNZ reporter, Mary Argue, in challenging Dr Sinclair’s claims as opposed to merely repeating his claims without a single enquiry? If she hasn’t enquired further she is at minimum potentially contributing to the spread of misinformation but at worst contributing to a situation where millions of extra taxpayer dollars are plowed into fixing ‘systemic failure’ where none exists!

All in all, a poor show and one all too frequent in our news media nowadays.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/539170/whooping-cough-death-highlights-failures-in-healthcare-system-maori-paediatrician
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January 17, 2025 9:09am
RoboRob

Yesterday I posted a comment on the poor response from Goldsmith and the race relations commsion with regards to segregated ticked sales.

This morning I wanted to post that this is a great example of why we dont need to spend $n on a commision that exists only to post (nothing burger) press releases. However I wanted to find exactly how much we do spend on this commsion for my post.

It turns out the information is very difficult to find. Various searhes only return the amt of increases announced in various butgets. Doing an AI search, couldn’t find the information but recommend looking at the budget. However after spending a few minutes searching the various budget docs (https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/budgets/budget-2025#collection-group-heading-0) the information isn’t there either.

Does anyone know where you can find this sort of information? It seems the government is purposefully hiding the amout it spends on various departments, probably to stop people like me complaining about the wasted money.
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January 17, 2025 9:11am
- Swifty
  
  Fairly recently I dug up online an HRC report of just a few years ago and saw that the total budget of the HRC was around $10 million annually.
  
  My best guess is that it would be in the $12-15 million range now, annually.
  
  How much of this is for supporting the race commissioner function, I just don’t know.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:33am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Don’t forget the HRC took at least three years off during the scamdemic régime. I bet they still took the salaries. Corrupt.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:26am
Swifty

If anyone can tell exactly what Tame Malcolm is talking about they’re doing better than me….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/study-links-moa-extinction-to-changes-in-native-nz-ecosystems/7LZ2EPEPHNEY3IA6HF6FSWRCR4/
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January 17, 2025 9:23am
- PurplePen
  
  Good lord! I saw that but didn’t read it for good reason. So skimmed it this morning.
  
  “A new study … analysed ancient moa droppings from Te Waipounamu that showed traces of fungal DNA. Kairangahau suggests these fungi relied on moa for spore dispersal, meaning their extinction may be disrupting both fungal spread and Aotearoa’s native forest ecosystems.”.
  
  “Suggests” and “may be disrupting”. Nothing definitive there. There was also mention of how some aspect of all this related to God. Really?! And the headlines in bold referred to significance to Te Reo but no mention of it in the article.
  
  The only benefit I can see is that the researcher is very easy on the eye.
  
  In any case, they’re extinct the moa. A bit late to do anything about it now.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:37am
- Allan
  
  Came here to say the same thing.
  
  There might have been useful knowledge to be gained from this article.
  
  I don’t speak pidgin therefore I am no better informed than I was before.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can’t really make head nor tail of his word salads, but as usual Matuaranga Maori is late to the party…
  
  He’s referring to an hypothesis put up by Ross Beever some 30 years ago about why NZ forests have so many brightly coloured truffle fungi…. and which has been the subject of some recent research.
  
  https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/colourful-fruit-like-fungi-and-forests-haunted-by-species-loss/#:~:text=NZ's%20unusually%20colourful%20truffle%2Dlike,fungal%20dispersal%20and%20forest%20health.
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-67333-x
  
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  January 17, 2025 11:10am
- John Loveridge
  
  Looks like he’s trying to come up with a mea culpa for this:
  
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141107091656.htm
  
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  January 17, 2025 11:19am
Steve Otto N Shore

Trump names and shames 11 people on his White House blacklist for second administration.
Hard enough to drain the Swamp and he has this lot of TDS sufferers to deal with. Dam RINOs.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-names-and-shames-11-people-on-his-white-house-blacklist-for-second-administration/ar-AA1xjvym?
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- MCōs
  
  I didn’t know Junior had split with Kimberly Guilfoyle. I suppose she’ll be #12 on the list.
  What’s happened to Chris Liddell?
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:12am
  - waripori
    
    I thought Kimberly was going to be ambassador to Italy. Must be a cunning plan to get out of the way. She is apparently over 50. Still looks pretty good.
    
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    January 17, 2025 10:39am
- Allan
  
  Most names deserve to be on the list.
  
  I thought Nikki Haley was supposed to have done a good job.
  
  Is there any links to anything that sheds light on why she is on the outer?
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:44am
  - MCōs
    
    Having done a good job is beside the point. It’s all about fealty
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:07pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Orange woman bad.
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:13pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Haley is a warmonger.
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:19pm
meh

WTF is this rubbish, the slow rewrite of history continues.

“It was here, Malcolm says, that the tīpuna noticed the birds were starting to die off”

If by die off you mean “were hunted to extinction”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/study-links-moa-extinction-to-changes-in-native-nz-ecosystems/7LZ2EPEPHNEY3IA6HF6FSWRCR4/
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January 17, 2025 9:52am
- Swifty
  
  The moa extincted themselves.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:15am
- Clyde
  
  It is not at all complicated. The East Polynesians arrived in NZ to find protein by the bucket load. As a consequence they bred like rabbits. No protein existed inland except for the big flightless (mainly) birds. 33 species of birds were hunted to extinction including all species of moa. End result, by the time Cook arrived, most of the East Polynesians were huddled around the coast and were still eating each other as part of the whole tribal survival scenario. Don’t need matauranga or BS pagan dribble to tell us otherwise.
  
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  January 17, 2025 11:36am
- cmm
  
  Well the stupid birds would roll around in 12 secret herbs and spices then jump in the fryer.
  
  No species is going to survive that.
  
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  January 17, 2025 1:47pm
- cmm
  
  Your “science” tax dollars at work.
  
  Will science minster Judith Collins give this the thumbs up?
  
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  January 17, 2025 1:50pm
Bridgenag

AI Slop-‘n-Mush Ramps Up

“Google search has become “unusable”—so say dozens if not hundreds of videos and articles highlighting how the search engine is now riddled with results preferential to Google’s paid spam—services, useless products, and other dross. Not to mention the results are riddled with AI slop, making it nearly impossible to fish out needed info from the sea of turds:”

A poster put me onto Duck Duck Go which is much better than Google. IMO

https://open.substack.com/pub/darkfutura/p/ai-slop-n-mush-ramps-up?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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January 17, 2025 10:30am
- imalwaysright
  
  I’ve noticed the internet, or should I say access to pages, is shrinking.
  After a couple of pages of search results the results start to be repeated or give different addresses to the same page.
  
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  January 17, 2025 10:37am
- rouppe
  
  I’m loving Google maps to help me navigate public transport in Europe.
  
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  January 17, 2025 7:43pm
Ghost

Haven’t had a chance to listen to this yet

Never-Before-Heard Audio Of Former Executive Director Of The DNC & Close Associate Of LBJ, Clifton Carter, Admitting That LBJ Hired Mac Wallace To Assassinate JFK!

Alex Jones – HISTORIC JFK ASSASSINATION TAPE DROPS
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January 17, 2025 11:22am
- sungsamning
  
  Thanks for this. It is very interesting.
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:55pm
Ehlana

Another from the “humans not smart” file.

NZ Herald this morning:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/terraced-houses-in-auckland-overheating-due-to-poor-design-demands-for-building-code-fix/HQQJOM7G5NFM3CKG262TM7WKTM/

So I wondered how you design to stop a house overheating in summer. BRANZ had some ideas:
https://www.buildmagazine.org.nz/assets/PDF/B100-46-ToHotToHandle.pdf

This pdf is from July 2007.

18 years later, it seems we have not yet incorporated designing houses not to overheat into our building code.

Why?
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January 17, 2025 11:25am
- PurplePen
  
  Removing eaves from houses was ever a silly idea. While they might give the building a modern clean lines look they were there for a reason. To keep the rain out of the walls (leaky building otherwise) and to keep the sun out in summer and let it in, in winter.
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:19pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    To be the devils advocate…. Gutters are useless when trees are planted near a house and are a fire hazard. Widen the eaves to keep the water off the house.
    
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    January 17, 2025 12:53pm
    - Colville
      
      Gutters are to control stormwater to bring it to one place so it can be piped. Without gutters its all overland flow and takes open drains to gather which are a major cost and maintenance item.
      
      They only block because they are too small and 80mm downpipes. Use 150mm gutters with 100mm droppers/down pipes.
      
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      January 17, 2025 2:36pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Or you can go without gutters as my parents house has done on a large section for many decades. Dropping water into bushes and wide concrete paths surrounding house. Zero maintenance hassle and cost.
        
        Guttering creates larger problems with handling intense downpours, needing all sorts of extra sumps, detention tanks etc that would be unnecessary if we didn’t employ guttering.
        
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        January 17, 2025 3:03pm
- MCōs
  
  Turn on the air conditioning (heat pump in reverse)
  Otherwise don’t buy/rent a crap house
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:43pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnwLb2JH07o
Two Assassination Attempts?
I wish PresidentTrump would not have a public inauguration much less walk in a parade. It is simply too dangerous.
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January 17, 2025 12:11pm
sungsamning

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/01/15/good-things-roll-downhill-too-ia-gov-to-establish-state-level-doge-n2184390
Good Things Roll Downhill, Too – GOP Iowa Governor to Establish State-Level DOGE.
There’s an old military saying about a certain material, which was often found on parade grounds back in the days of horse-mounted troops, and how it tends to roll downhill. That’s a metaphor, of course, for how pressure on senior officers tends to flow downwards to junior officers, to NCOs, and eventually to the E-4 Mafia and the private soldiers. But in the military as well as in government, sometimes good ideas roll downhill, too.
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January 17, 2025 12:11pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Trump tells Bongino he’s about to blow the lid off Jan 6 cover-ups.

https://rumble.com/v6a57kd-massive-trump-tells-bongino-hes-about-to-blow-the-lid-off-jan-6-cover-ups.html?
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January 17, 2025 12:29pm
- sungsamning
  
  Ah, that’s good news.
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:56pm
- MCōs
  
  Pretty soon he’ll be able to appoint whom so ever he likes to investigate Jan 6, again, (or anything else for that matter) and run down the clock over the next four years
  Some special investigator may be appointed to look into who was behind that attempted assassination and whether it was connected to the secret service; particularly as the alleged gunman is not around to give evidence.
  
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  January 17, 2025 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    You mean the same as how the kangaroo committee was appointed – with RINO Liz Cheney leading the charge?
    
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    January 17, 2025 6:02pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

An Obituary printed in the London Times
Posted by Ian Armstrong
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
Why the early bird gets the worm;
Life isn’t always fair; and
Maybe it was my fault.
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;

I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
I’m A Victim
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.
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January 17, 2025 12:49pm
- greybeard
  
  This was published in 2008, if not much earlier.
  
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  January 17, 2025 5:43pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    2008? So it is 16+ years old so not true anymore?
    Looks like “common sense” is gone forever, and idiots run the show.
    
    Why did this take 4 goes to reply? Am I on watch?
    
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    January 17, 2025 6:14pm
bc

RIP David Lynch
An amazing filmmaker, with such an unique style that films that mimic that style are called Lynchian.

I love all his films but my personal favourite is “Wild at Heart”. It’s absolutely choka filled with Lynch moments and the actors are fully on board with it. Nicolas Cage and Laura Dern are fantastic and Willem Dafoe is absolutely chilling as Bobby Peru. I’m stilled stunned it won Cannes.

And then there’s “Twin Peaks”, there was nothing like it on television at the time.
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January 17, 2025 1:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I liked his stab at Dune in ’84. Did a few things better than the recent treatment
  
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  January 17, 2025 4:20pm
- MCōs
  
  David Lynch quote
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxjTePasmjf/?igsh=MTM1Zmw4MmcxNHhtbA==
  
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  January 17, 2025 7:26pm
G the giant from Dunedin

Okay you lot, you have your wish, Nats crashed in the TUP and Labour are leading, but no act have not received he support, they are down, get ready for this f….n TPB to make this government a one term government, good luck with your Labour Party with separatist Hipkins at the helm, and Green criminals and corrupt TPM in cabinet, good luck ffs
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January 17, 2025 2:03pm
- Souvlaki
  
  A consequence of Nats failing to listen to their OWN supporters over The Treaty Principles bill cerainly doesn’t help.
  Luxon has been insensitively dismissive cuddling up with Maori….why??
  
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  January 17, 2025 3:58pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    this poll tells you the TPB is divisive, it shows the government losing the centre, exactly what I said would happen, In this poll Act lose 15% of their support from last time, so stop the bullshit about the TPB, this bill is going to guarantee a one term government, good luck with separatism with Labour delivering separatist services, and criminal greens and corrupt TPM in cabinet
    
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    January 17, 2025 4:47pm
- Observer of Life
  
  G: So you blame those who are disappointed/gutted at what they expected to get from Luxon et al and consequently their low polling. I don’t know, perhaps National needs to look in the mirror and ask, what we have we done.. or to be fair, what HAVEN’T we done? Wake up National!!!!!
  
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  January 17, 2025 4:51pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I never blamed anyone, but we all can not be on the right, centre is where the election is won, and you can see with the pressure of the right, the centre are deserting, and if you think the TPB has seen Nats support pouring over to Labour then clearly you haven’t got a clue, unless this is a lack of good people to poll at this time of year, then you won’t need a TPB, you will be decolonized and sent home by the putrid left, oh but it’s all Luxon fault
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:05pm
- westernScientist
  
  If you only look at TPC polls, ACT and NZF combined are within a couple bps of the early Dec poll. If you look at all polls, there is nothing out of range in this one. Over all ACT and NZF are flat, Nats are trend down, Lab are trend up, greens are trend down. TPM maybe flat, maybe a touch trend up.
  
  Overall, Nats are bleeding probably to undecideds (which is hard to know if its undecided to lab or undecided to ACT/NZF), Greens are bleeding to lab and that is about all that is going on.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:27pm
- wsk12345
  
  You’re a bit defensive. It’s pretty simple G, people that voted Nat had reasonable expectations of things like cutting of the public service (and not just a few hundred jobs), stimulating growth, tougher on crime, and so on. Nat has delivered a minuscule movement back to the right, say 2% undoing the labour moves to the left. So people are disappointed, gutted tbh. If they wanted Liebour they would have voted red; instead they voted Nat and got slightly lighter red.
  
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  January 18, 2025 7:06am
Ghost

Act continue to slide in the polls. National down, labour ahead

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360551474/labour-ahead-national-first-political-poll-year

The new Taxpayers’ Union-Curia Poll shows National down 4.6 points to 29.6%, with Labour rising 4 points from the last poll, overtaking them with 30.9%.

The Greens are up 1.2 points to 9.5%, while ACT is down 2.2 points to 10.8%.

New Zealand First is up 2.7 points to 8.1%, while Te Pāti Māori is down 0.2% to 5.3%.
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January 17, 2025 2:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The government losing the centre, I wonder just why that would be
  
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  January 17, 2025 2:11pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    G: Seriously, what do you think their low polling is caused by – KB’ers voicing their disapproval online or supporters genuinely p•ssed off with their Nats position and lack of spine?
    
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    January 17, 2025 4:54pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are losing the centre, people in the centre are scared of Seymour, oh well, you will be s as blue to be scared of TPM and Greens plus all the CGT and wealth taxes coming
      
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      January 17, 2025 8:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    Commenting on the results, Taxpayers’ Union spokesman, Jordan Williams, said:
    
    “Tough news about the dire state of the economy hit the headlines in December, so it’s not a coincidence the Government’s taken a big hit in the polls.”
    
    Article
    
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    January 17, 2025 5:38pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Low information voters are doing to blame whatever government is in power when the economy tanks, like Bolger’s government barely scraping through in 1993. So I agree with you ghost.
      However in National’s case you’ve also got Luxon treating his supporters with contempt, this doesn’t energise the base.
      
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      January 17, 2025 6:37pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Luxon is not treating his supporters with distain clearly, or all the support they have lost would go to act, but Act have lost 15% of their support in a month
        
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        January 17, 2025 8:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      A bit of a hit, they have lost the bloody centre as I said they would
      
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      January 17, 2025 8:08pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I am dubious about polling at this time of year when anyone with money will be away from home and possibly away from any form of internet
  
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  January 17, 2025 2:12pm
  - greybeard
    
    Exactly my thoughts: Jan 9th – 13th, middle of holidays, crap weather, worries about credit card debt due to overspending on Christmas presents, pissed-off with rellies and kids, politics last thing on the mind, etc etc.
    Let’s face it: Labour have been totally invisible for months and have done nothing to deserve an increase in support. Personally these days I have to remind myself who Hipkins actually is, when I hear his name.
    
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    January 17, 2025 4:38pm
    - MCōs
      
      The poll is a verdict on the performance of the government and it ain’t very good.
      
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      January 17, 2025 6:20pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        So inflation down, interest rates down, stolen taxes returned, cutting of budgets and more to come annually, business confidence returning, tell me what have they done wrong, and don’t give me this shit they did not change their mind on the TPB
        
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        January 17, 2025 8:12pm
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    So they don’t take their phones with them G?
    
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    January 17, 2025 4:57pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Quite possibly, they definitely would not have answered landlines, and many may well have turned off their phones to all but contacts
      
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      January 17, 2025 8:13pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Even my 80 something parents no longer have landlines. Does anyone????
        
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        January 18, 2025 7:01am
- Ultima
  
  It’s meaningless, only good for the leftie media to talk about.
  
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  January 17, 2025 2:20pm
  - Ghost
    
    Of course it meaningless, always is. When someone’s party is ahead it means something, when they are behind it’s meaningless. Although it probably meant something to the person who posted a while ago that the next polls would show act with big gains, whooops
    
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    January 17, 2025 4:29pm
- PurplePen
  
  Does that mean that TVNZ political reporter is going to be breathless and full of hyperbole tonight? I’m not watching.
  
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  January 17, 2025 5:33pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No they didn’t, never mentioned it, they usual have a poll before the end of Jan and last time a poll like this came out, they ignored this poll and told the totally differnt story just 4 days later
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:14pm
- westernScientist
  
  It is ACTs second highest poll since June last year, they are up on the last poll, only down on the last TPC poll.
  
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  January 17, 2025 9:17pm
kevn

Mean while in the UK the rot deepens…
https://x.com/TPointUK/status/1879943725650178543
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January 17, 2025 2:09pm
- kowtow
  
  She didn’t have the balls to say “Pakistani Muslim” and he wanted her to in order to get her possibly arrested or served some quasi kangaroo court order ( NCHI) to silence her as a racist.
  
  But yes the rot is deep and will take some very serious surgery to cut it out.
  
  No doubt you’re following how the Labour Deep State want to compensate Irish terrorists .( while actively persecuting the British military) .
  
  The rot is very very deep.
  
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  January 17, 2025 3:57pm
  - Swifty
    
    She cocked up that questioning in my view kowtow.
    
    She blew that opportunity with her vague, broad question – she should have been far more specific.
    
    And she should have referred to rape gangs, not grooming gangs. And she should have defined the word gang too.
    
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    January 17, 2025 8:16pm
Chuck Bird

The Labour government and police are taking a strong line against anti-Jewish terrorism that includes firebombing of cars. This includes hate speech laws that incite violence or flags of terrorist groups like Hamas.
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January 17, 2025 2:28pm
Chuck Bird

The is in NSW.
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January 17, 2025 3:13pm
Albie

Latest polls not good. Perhaps our PM should consider a televised state of the nation address to the “folks” as they say in the US?
As an ex National Party supporter I don’t get any feelings of leadership or strong direction for our country at present. The 50 point plan scenario is admirable compared to the dross we have been fed up until now, but it’s obviously not winning the battle for our hearts and minds.
I get the sinking feeling Luxon is not that sort of leader who could or would front up with a state of the nation presidential speech to address the slide. Prove me wrong Chris.
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January 17, 2025 4:31pm
- MCōs
  
  Kiwis wouldn’t listen to a general State of the Nation speech no matter who the speaker.
  
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  January 17, 2025 7:17pm
MCōs

Fires in LA, storms in Sydney
Don’t leave us behind
https://x.com/nztaaklnth/status/1880079047742443581?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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January 17, 2025 4:34pm
Sparrow

Something which has puzzled me since the signing of the coalition agreement, is why did Luxon agree to the Treaty Principals Bill. Yes its only to the first reading but that makes it even stranger to me. If he had not agreed to having it in the Coalition Agreement what would ACT have done sit on the cross benches would not have gone with Labour. Luxon is opposed to the Bill he knows it will divide the country, the latest opinion poll shows ACT is not gaining from it, so why agree to have a first reading then destroy it. It makes no sense. I asked the question of our local National MP recieved a long winded reply without an answer. Can somebody more wise than me explain why Luxon has done what he has done.
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January 17, 2025 5:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s testing the waters??????
  (I’m trying to put a positive spin on his action)
  
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  January 17, 2025 5:45pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360551961/police-name-14-year-old-killed-wairoa-crash

This article is outstanding for the lack of any real information about the crash, the people involved and and the circumstances.

A total news blackout. Just a paean to the dead kid, sad as that is.

Who was driving ? Whose car? This is a disgraceful “news” item .
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January 17, 2025 5:53pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360552097/watch-burst-pipe-wellington-street-leaves-water-gushing
This is so good !
Wellington Water is currently advertising every day on NewstalkZB, exhorting people to save water by any means possible !
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January 17, 2025 6:58pm
Ghost

I’m surprised, no opposition complaining yet

Māori Development Minister Tama Potaka has confirmed a major refresh of the Waitangi Tribunal, as he replaces half of its members.

The coalition Government started a major overhaul in October, appointing former ACT Party leader Richard Prebble to the Tribunal alongside Ken Williamson, whose background is in insurance and corporate leadership.

Article
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January 17, 2025 9:55pm
Ghost

Well this is getting more interesting

The supermarket at the centre of claims that former MP Golriz Ghahraman was shoplifting again never reported the incident directly to police, sparking questions about how authorities came to learn of the incident.

Article
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January 17, 2025 9:57pm
Ghost

Weird. But then again, it is California, so maybe not weird

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass used LA Fire Department money to fund a transgender cafe

She also tried to cut the Fire Department budget by $49 million ONE DAY before the Pacific Palisades fires broke out

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January 17, 2025 10:09pm
rouppe

This brings new meaning to the phrase “go woke, go broke”.

It all started when left-wing management staged a free conference on “reinventing the refugee welcome in France” on December 10. More than 200 migrants showed up.

However, when the event, whose speakers included Red Cross officials and eminent academics, came to a close, the migrants refused to leave and have been occupying the building since.

Their numbers have swelled to around 350 and the venue, a digital arts and contemporary music hub, is now on the verge of bankruptcy due to cancelled events.
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January 17, 2025 10:48pm
- Matt Long
  
  Viva Le Revolution.
  
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