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Cassandra

Headline in Radio NZ news: “It’s pretty bad, I hate it’: Hundreds of school lunches going uneaten”. Compelling argument for discontinuing school lunches. Parents are already funded for this by the taxpayer. Why bother? I had a peanut butter sandwich for my lunch yesterday, a digestive biscuit for morning tea. (Luxury!) Add an apple and a hungry child would be ready to learn.
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February 22, 2025 8:04am
- pdm
  
  On Thursday mrspdm called at an Orchard on the fringe of the Hastings city boundary, less than 5k’s from the middle of town, and for $10 got a very decent sized box of fresh fruit.
  
  Peaches, 2 types, plums including Omega and apples.
  
  I think there was something else too but we shared with our daughter and that may have gone out there.
  
  There is no reason why parents cannot provide lunches for their kids. Get on with it and stop whinging.
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:21am
  - Ghost
    
    There sure is a reason why parents can’t supply their kids with school lunches, the schools don’t allow it. The schools have told parents they supply the lunches and the kids aren’t allowed to take it. Don’t blame the parents. Blame the schools and the current system
    
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    February 22, 2025 9:19am
    - septic skeptic
      
      It was pretty stupid of Seymour and the coalition to get themselves into this tar pit. They should do a u-turn and go with a “parental responsibility” message. As for the mantra that kids can’t learn on an empty stomach – I call BS on that. Our son basically refused to eat lunch most of the time he went to school. Mum made literally hundreds of nutritious sandwiches and fruit that got binned, often when discovered a week later and covered in mould.
      
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      February 22, 2025 9:27am
      - NK
        
        Yes. Instead of debating limited government, lower taxes, personal responsibility and the necessity of the TPB, he’s arguing that tomorrow’s macaroni cheese is better than yesterday’s butter chicken.
        
        Epic failure. Embedded socialism that will be impossible to unwind.
        
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        February 22, 2025 10:45am
      - leoj
        
        Therein lies the entire problem with MMP.
        
        Minorty parties moan and whine then water down good ideas and school lunches are not a good idea.
        
        Instead, school lunches should be the responsibilty of the parent, not the government.
        
        Seymour got flummoxed and weakened (and I am the strongest of ACT’s supporters).
        
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        February 22, 2025 11:39am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        septic skeptic: “Mum made literally hundreds of nutritious sandwiches and fruit that got binned,”
        
        The latest research would suggest that fruit and bread are not ideal food items. Better to eat some meat/fish/egg and some (non-starchy) veges.
        
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        February 22, 2025 6:34pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      There seems to be a growing element in NZ who see their personal health, happiness and wealth to be the responsibility of the government.
      
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      February 22, 2025 9:40am
    - cmm
      
      ” Don’t blame the parents”
      If enough parents do something about it the schools will have to listen.
      
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      February 22, 2025 2:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        No. The change has to come from the government, not the schools. The government need to stop this program of supply all students with lunch.
        
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        February 22, 2025 2:26pm
    - AitchW
      
      I wonder if a parent who is a barrister would consider challenging that ruling legally? What right does a school have to dictate what a kid eats for lunch or to insist that kids must eat the food supplied by the school?
      How very socialist…
      
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      February 22, 2025 4:23pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      So what actually happens if I, for whatever reason, send my kid to school with a lunch from home?
      How can a school, teacher or politician stop me, as a parent, from providing my child with food and saying “no thanks” to the “free” lunch?
      Will my kid be excluded from school?
      Will I be fined?
      Come on, this is ridiculous.
      You can’t force parents to accept rules like this.
      Do they have monitors to go round checking that kids don’t have secret lunches in their bags?
      What happens if the pupil hides somewhere in order to eat a sandwich.
      I would like to know by what right can schools enforce this.
      
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      February 22, 2025 5:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Likewise NZME Herald today , yet again .
  
  Is it any wonder they’re in such financial strife.
  
  They don’t report the news , they’re the propaganda arm of the “Progressive left.”
  
  The same old boring diet of race , climate and any other anti western , anti capitalist tripe day in day out.
  
  Their own subscribers can’t stomach their recipes!
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The old model of providing very expensive lunches for schools seems to have propped up local catering businesses that are no longer economic without the school lunch contract.
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/liquidators-appointed-to-gisborne-based-school-lunch-provider-puku-ora
  
  (We would lunch at Puku Ora occasionally – pricey, but tasty. )
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:29am
  - pdm
    
    `pricey, but tasty’
    
    What were they charging the Government then – that is the key question.
    
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    February 22, 2025 8:48am
    - cmm
      
      “What were they charging the Government?”
      
      Nothing.
      
      THe only people paying are the 250,000 or so net taxpayers.
      
      Oops, make it 200,000 because 50,000 just left NZ or retired.
      
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      February 22, 2025 2:11pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Very nice people and food, run by local Maori people. I thought it was great that they had a successful business. They were certainly generous with the build your own Buddha bowl.
    
    I don’t know what they served to local kids, but unless it was very different to the cafe, it would have been fairly flash.
    
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    February 22, 2025 8:57am
  - Mintnz
    
    I recently undertook some business studies at the local polytechnic, and Puku Ora was one of the case studies we had to write assessments about.
    Because the NZ polytechnic system is a big champion of maori wonderfulness.
    I wondered at the time, why is the polytechnic using a run of the mill local Cafe as subject matter for business students to study.
    
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    February 22, 2025 11:36am
- Gravelroad
  
  I don’t think it is really about the lunches.
  It is political.
  It’s a cute way for teachers, their unions, the media and the left wing entitled parents to stick it up the coalition government.
  Does anyone seriously think that if this was a Labour/Green/TPM lunch project there would be anywhere near this level of scrutiny, debate and handwringing ?
  No.
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:35am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    There wasn’t. Hence the hefty lunch bill.
    
    The next question us why Adern/Clark/ Hipkins spent so much money for so little political gain.
    
    Who’s got our money?
    
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    February 22, 2025 8:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Agreed it is a political and media setup to try and get rid of the Coalition at the next Election.
    It will continue as often as the whingers, and their friends, called media, can find something to say, or make up.
    
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    February 22, 2025 8:58am
- AitchW
  
  As a general rule kids hate change. Kids from lefty households will be taught to hate the school lunches supplied under the coalition.
  FFS why interview kids on the news?
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:52am
- peterwn
  
  Seems apples are no longer included. Dog on afternoon walks loved eating apples discarded by schoolkids on pedestrian pathways. Now there are none.
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:05am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Dog is a Labrador?
    
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    February 22, 2025 6:40pm
- John Loveridge
  
  But if school lunches were discontinued the teachers would go hungry!
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:29am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes They know how to freeze and cook up later
    
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    February 22, 2025 12:38pm
Simon

Russia won. Clown world lost. It’s a changed world.
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February 22, 2025 8:05am
Chuck Bird

Ian Bradford, a science graduate, is a former teacher, lawyer, farmer and keen sportsman, who is writing a book about the fraud of anthropogenic climate change.

I bet Luxon or Watts would not debate Ian Bradford.

Ian Bradford: Some Facts About Carbon Dioxide and Sea Levels

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/02/ian-bradford-some-facts-about-carbon.html#more
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February 22, 2025 8:06am
- Mark Hanley
  
  There is no doubt the anthropogenic c02 climate change narrative is a scam
  
  However, politics is the business of people, not facts.
  
  Luxon and Watts know that to discard the climate virtual signalling the western world has bought into would cause trouble at home by the wannabe Gretas, and trouble abroad from competitors looking to denigrate nz and our products.
  
  Therefore, Luxons clever solution is to adopt climate targets then set about achieving them in a manner which benefits nz. Such as more electricity generation.
  
  I think we will see new hydro stations emerge.
  
  The clever part is the greens who would protest the fast tracked hydro dams, have snookered themselves with their cries for green energy.
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:21am
  - AitchW
    
    New hydro? Good luck with that. Greens are totally oblivious to their own hypocrisy.
    
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    February 22, 2025 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    `Therefore, Luxons clever solution is to adopt climate targets then set about achieving them in a manner which benefits nz.’
    
    MH – So far Luxon and `clever solutions’ are not words that sit naturally together when it comes to dealing with the climate
    
    I think you also need to revise `benefits NZ’ to – at great cost ($24billion plus) to NZ taxpayers.
    
    The Greens snookered themselves? Unfortunately PM Luxon seems more likely to listen to The Greens than the Taxpayers who will have to foot these extreme costs.
    
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    February 22, 2025 9:58am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Pdm. I guess it depends which lense you look through. If your sole purpose is to denigrate, then you will put up headline numbers without analysis or reference, and you will continue to call people names.
      
      Have you read Simon Watts Budget speech …
      
      1. Climate adaptation is vital.
      2. Electrification of public transport enables nz to produce our own energy which has resilience advantages, costs less, and will help balance our trade deficit.
      3. Climate Emergency Response
      Fund has been defunded.
      4. The warmer Kiwi Homes initiative is money well sent for individuals and the country.
      
      All sounds sensible and clever to me.
      
      https://budget.govt.nz/budget/pdfs/releases/l17-watts-budget-supports-practical-climate-action.pdf
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:04am
      - pdm
        
        MH – you and I are never going to agree on Climate Change or, unless he changes PM Luxon.
        
        Climate change is the weather – nothing more nothing less and has always adjusted from ice age to current warmth by itself.
        
        Luxon is showing himself on a daily basis to be Jacinda Ardern mark 2. Announcement about announcements and giggles through interviews without answering the difficult, direct questions.
        
        It is lucky for the country that David Seymour and ACt as well as NZFirst Winston Peters/Shane Jones are there to get any worthwhile action at all.
        
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        February 22, 2025 12:59pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Actually PDM. we do agree on climate change. It’s your constant, unevidenced, and false denigration of luxon I disagree with.
        
        Could you please send an evidenced list of peters and seymours achievements this term?
        
        Here is a small subset of the achievements of the Luxon lead government..
        
        Reduced inflation
        Gang members getting arrested and being sent to jail
        Crime reducing
        Education curriculum and teaching method reset.
        Iimmigration at manageable
        Levels
        New trade agreement signed
        long term infrastructure planning and building
        
        All whilst cleaning up the mess adern, Clark, and hipkins left behind, battling the public service, and taking on the DEI hire, biased, and thankfully not too clever press…
        
        I know what you’re thinking and you’re right……
        
        INCREDIBLE!
        
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        February 22, 2025 1:24pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Therefore, Luxons clever solution is to adopt climate targets then set about achieving them in a manner which benefits nz. Such as more electricity generation.”
    
    Sorry that is rubbish. New Zealand’s climate change obligations cannot be met in a manner that benefits New Zealand. It is completely the opposite.
    
    Can you explain how New Zealand can meet its 2030 obligation in a way that benefits New Zealand?
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:23am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Its the equivalent of tithing to a church to get your name read out during mass while your own kids go hungry.
      
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      February 22, 2025 10:54am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      BY. I always advise KBers to read my post before they criticize and call my posts names.
      
      My post states that maintaining a climate co2 facade protects nz against competitive disadvantage and it gives the government license to build extra hydro dams.
      
      The more cheap energy we produce in nz, the less we are victim to the price ravages and political abuse of the oil producers.
      
      Cheap energy is the key catalyst for economic growth and improving productivity.
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:11am
      - wsk12345
        
        You’re deluded. The hydro built in the 80s cost MORE than the wholesale price is today in levelised lifetime cost. Construction costs will be multiples today of what they were then. Let’s produce hydropower at $500/MWH and then sell “cheap energy” (as you put it) at say $120/MWh. What could possibly go wrong?
        
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        February 22, 2025 2:44pm
  - NK
    
    According to you, Mark, everything Luxon does is either clever or brilliant.
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:47am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      NK. I always advise KBers to read my posts before criticizing.
      
      A quick search will reveal Im quite scathing of Luxons TOW principals bill approach. A bit more reading will reveal how I now think Luxons long term TOW principles approach will pan out to benefit nz.
      
      And… if you have a facts based argument against any of my posts then i implore you to post them.
      
      I’m here to discuss, learn, and most importantly return kiwiblog from an opinionated whingefest to the stimulatiing quality discussion platform it wslas 18 months ago.
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:20am
- kowtow
  
  Luxon’s all over the place . Very publicly smacks one his own MPs about climate catastrophe but will suck up to Peters over reopening or building an oil refinery .
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Opening an oil refinery will only have a minor impact on emissions. It is burning the petroleum that causes most of the emissions. Does not matter where the petroleum is refined.
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:25am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Actually KT Luxons climate strategy is clever, nuanced, and consistent.
    
    He has told you his priority is economic growth, and through Simon Watts he had told you the government doesn’t buy into the climate emergency narrative which is why they defunded the climate Emergency fund.
    
    Luxon has also told you dropping the co2 narrative will harm nz exports.
    
    Which all fits in very nicely with Luxons and the governments actions.
    
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    February 22, 2025 11:26am
- Michael Sommerville
  
  There are so many excellent books available that debunk the global warming theories, written by eminent scientists. Just read both sides of the argument.
  
  A local body politician has offered to give me a book to read on global warming. I said I would gladly read it if he read one of mine. The conversation stopped there.
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:57am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  I have saved this for our Green Democrat friends in Alaska to chew over. They will come up with all sorts of nonsense.
  Interesting bit about the California wildfires and oil production. We are being sold a lemon by flaky Green nutters.
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:01am
- peterwn
  
  Politicians just cannot underpin their political thinking with science and logic. It just does not resonate with the punters. That is why it is necessary for politicians to be skilled bull-artists.
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:08am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Chainsaw Massacre –
Bureaucracy thrives in darkness

Great Videos

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-chainsaw-massacre?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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February 22, 2025 8:25am
kowtow

I see , tragically over 70 Christians have been cruelly slaughtered by “Islamists” , trussed up and beheaded in Congo but in their world news NZME tells us about some elephants killed in a train accident in Sri Lanka.
Likewise the rest of our media appear very silent about the sad and shocking fate of the Bibas family , when only a few months ago any action by the brave men and women of the IDF would merit front page indignation!
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February 22, 2025 8:28am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Gosh can we have more of that wonderful “religion of peace” here? /
  
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  February 22, 2025 6:21pm
Bridgenag

Tweedle-Dum, Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Three: Musings on the German Speech Police Courtesy of 60 Minutes

“The Federal Republic really is an open-air insane asylum, competing for the top spot in a Europe full of similarly crazy countries.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/tweedle-dum-tweedle-dee-and-tweedle?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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February 22, 2025 8:28am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  It’s too late now but I had seen at my local $2 shop a special on fake pearls.
  I had thought of getting $10 worth and couriering them to the RNZ National office, so that they could clutch them next Monday when the German election results come out.
  Is the AfD the only far right political party run by a rug-muncher?
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:38am
  - NothingLeft
    
    yeah very inconvenient for the rabid left that she’s married to a Sri Lankan immigrant.
    
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    February 22, 2025 11:54am
Matt Long

The BBC has aired a shonky Hamas propaganda film as a documentary.
https://x.com/mishtal/status/1892868424268660934
I wonder if they get their funding direct from Qatar, and if the end of USAID will hurt them.
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February 22, 2025 8:30am
Matt Long

Kash Patel has been confirmed by Congress, seriously putting the wind up people like Adam Schiff.
Mitch McConnell announced he’s not standing again, and voted for Patel.
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February 22, 2025 8:32am
- Tricati
  
  Given Schiff was donkey deep in the Trump Russian collusion scam/Impeachment and along with Pelosi in the Jan 6th debacle, he will be puckering right now.
  2 friends in the USA said Schiff actually went to Biden seeking the preemptive pardon, and you wouldn’t do that unless you knew you were toast.
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:53am
Matt Long

Even the Grand Muftis of Saudi Arabia and UAE are reportedly shocked by what Hamas did with the Bibas babies.
Israel has announced the boys were strangled then their bodies mutilated to simulate bombing damage.
https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1892958503066624087
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February 22, 2025 8:36am
Scooter

An extremely salient podcast by Michael Laws. Towards the end “Maori providers are not held to account and the same rules don’t apply”. John Tamihere is correct Maori are being treated differently.

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/michael-laws-if-its-maori-the-rules-dont-apply
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February 22, 2025 8:47am
Waipuk

This should scare the hell out of you.

Why free speech is so vital
https://youtu.be/NltEp2uxL9Q?si=IBZmYaQU9Y7O-gpc

No wonder the recent JD Vance speak upset the Europeans (to the point of tears) so much.
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February 22, 2025 8:50am
Matt Long

The fire captain in charge of the LA fires has been murdered by MAGA… Oh wait, by her lesbian partner.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892774378728771906
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February 22, 2025 8:50am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wife named as suspect.
  
  https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/suspect-in-killing-of-cal-fire-captain-identified-search-ongoing-as-sheriff-asks-for-publics-help/
  
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  February 22, 2025 8:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Off topic a little…but can some lesbian who likes butch women help me out here?
    
    “Captain Morodi” could very easily have passed as a man – and I am not just talking about her 1960’s short back and sides haircut. He whole body stance is male.
    
    I “get” that lesbians find other women rather than men sexually attractive – but lesbians who like bull dykes confuse the hell out of me. If you like that kind of look, why not just be with a man? Please help.
    
    Confused of Nuku’alofa.
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:27am
    - AitchW
      
      Rather like the trans women who claim to be lesbian. If you want to be with a woman why pretend to be one?
      And to take that to the next logical level, what lesbian (biological) woman would chose a relationship with a man pretending to be a woman?
      So very many contradictions .
      Makes my brain hurt….
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:11am
    - David Garrett
      
      So, no helpful lesbians about…never mind
      
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      February 22, 2025 1:10pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Yeah, I’ve never understood that. There’s many that dress and take on all the traits of men, simultaneously hating men. Go figure.
      
      At least gay boys don’t hate women so when a gay boy is effeminate there isn’t that anomaly.
      
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      February 22, 2025 2:31pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      You’re not going to get an easy answer to that one, probably least of all from an actual lesbian.
      It is a mistake to think that people can accurately psychoanalyze themselves or would give you accurate information about it even if they could.
      It’s another mistake to think that female homosexuality is just male homosexuality with the genders flipped. Not only are they working with very different sexual equipment but that equipment is wired right through to the base of the brain.
      One example among many, male gay hustlers, the “Midnight Cowboy” types have always been a thing, where is the lesbian equivalent?
      My general intuition here is that the gay experience is more psycho-sexual, while the lesbian experience is more psycho-social.
      If you’re interested in reading more, you might find “the Boston Marriage” and the cases of Charlotte Anne Moberly & Eleanor Jourdain and the Ladies of Llangoll worthwhile
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_marriage
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Anne_Moberly
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Jourdain
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladies_of_Llangollen
      
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      February 22, 2025 9:16pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Four churches set on fire overnight in Masterton, with attempts at three others.

The lack of respect for our Christian heritage is appalling.

Whoever did this needs to either be in prison or in the loonie bin for a very long time.
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February 22, 2025 8:50am
- AitchW
  
  Fundamentalist Muslims? Maori separatists? Or just mindless wanton destruction?
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:56am
  - Jinky
    
    Drug induced psychosis? Seems to have religious delusions as his video confession shows him quoting from the Book of Revelations!
    
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    February 23, 2025 12:31pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Or deported possibly.
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    If four mosques were attacked just imagine the media and government frenzy.
    Adern would be inbound on the first available first class Emirates flight- can’t see Luxon wearing a burka, but you never know.
    
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    February 22, 2025 11:01am
    - PurplePen
      
      Correction, Private jet.
      
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      February 22, 2025 2:33pm
  - sirknz
    
    But their country might be a hell hole because of people who like to burn down religious buildings of other faiths.
    
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    February 22, 2025 11:05am
Matt Long

Islamists take time out from murdering toddlers to behead another 70 Christians in the Congo.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892765170792821192
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February 22, 2025 8:54am
Scott

I really love what’s happening in America right now. Every day something great happens. Kash Patel is the new FBI director, govt waste is uncovered and Trump announces there are only two genders!

Vice president JD Vance is particularly impressive. Here he is at a conservative conference encouraging the young men –

“don’t allow this broken culture to send you a message that you’re a bad person because you’re a man, because you like to tell a joke, because you like to have a beer with your friends, or because you’re competitive. Our culture wants to turn everybody, whether male or female, into androgynous idiots who think the same, talk the same, and act the same. We actually think God made male and female for a purpose, and we want you guys to thrive as young men, and as young women. And we’re going to help with our public policy to make it possible to do that.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/j-d-vances-inspiring-message-young-men-dont/

How refreshing for a senior leader to encourage the men rather than give them some feminist twaddle about “toxic masculinity”.
One can only hope the leader of the Labour Party of NZ gets the memo.
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February 22, 2025 8:58am
- PurplePen
  
  One of the labour party leader candidates once announced he was sorry, in public, for being a man. I had to laugh.
  
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  February 22, 2025 2:58pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Cunliffe signed his own political death warrant with that idiot comment.
    
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    February 22, 2025 6:13pm
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Judge Greg Hollister-Jones sentences three men who paid for sex with a 13 year old girl.

And they get home detention. 8 months.
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February 22, 2025 9:01am
- pdm
  
  Are the Police appealing leniency of sentences?
  
  8 years each should be a minimum before parole is even considered.
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:18am
  - rouppe
    
    The maximum penalty available was 7 years imprisonment.
    
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    February 22, 2025 9:40am
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      That will do rouppe – better than home d.
      
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      February 22, 2025 1:06pm
    - G152
      
      Of which they will serve 1/3
      
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      February 22, 2025 2:38pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Dirtbags for lawyers, asking for discharge without conviction.
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:34am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: The “dirtbags” are the clients. The lawyers are obliged to follow their clients’ instructions.
    
    That said, these are absurd sentences. What is doubly sad is reading between the lines about the girl in question. Not prepared to provide a victim impact statement, and the judge not prepared to order reparation be paid because of suspicions of where the money would end up after meeting her.
    
    All of which strongly suggests that this young girl has been “raised” in a gang environment to be a sexual chattel who does what the bros tell her to do. Dreadfully sad.
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:45am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Is the judge able, or obliged, to intervene on behalf of the girl to get her out of her environment ?
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        to get her out of her environment ?
        
        I imagine Oranga Tamariki is involved now….
        
        but I doubt the whanau (of all the under-age girls in this Kawerau-Rotorua Prostitute Ltd Co. ) are receiving wrap-around support from Govt or Iwi providers….
        
        Remember the prevailing philosophy is to keep kiddies from dysfunctional families with their (dysfunctional) whanau.
        
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        February 22, 2025 1:22pm
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        In relation to OT’s involvement, I would imagine in Rotorua, OT will be made up of whanau of the offenders, not much chance of them doing the right thing.
        
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        February 22, 2025 1:56pm
    - AitchW
      
      David if a lawyer has a dirtbag for a client who instructs his lawyer to act in a manner that the lawyer finds distasteful, is the lawyer obliged to carry out that instruction or can he simply refuse to act on that client’s behalf?
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:17am
      - David Garrett
        
        Aitch: Putting it simply – no offence to you – a lawyer is obliged to follow his client’s instructions unless to do so would mislead the court.
        For example, if a client says “yeah I raped the bitch but my instructions to you are to say I didn’t” the lawyer can say “the defendant denies raping the complainant” but he can’t put the accused in the box to say “I never even met her let alobe raped her” because the lawyer knows that is false.
        I hope that helps.
        
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        February 22, 2025 6:57pm
      - cmm
        
        DG: Interesting.
        But lawyers would seem to frequency over-egg the pudding when speaking highly of their clients.
        Should this not be seen as misleading the court?
        
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        February 22, 2025 9:20pm
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      I just find the lawyers asking for discharge without conviction very low.
      Following clients instructions sure, but no moral standard.
      Sorry DG, it’s just how I feel about this happening. Yes it is sad about the young girl who probably will never escape her current life.
      
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      February 22, 2025 11:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think it is pretty clear that the girl was being pimped as a “legal age ” prostitute.
  
  Her pimp, who also sexually abused her, was sentenced for 8 years 5 months.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-teen-prostitution-ring-clayton-fox-and-and-wikitoria-pepene-sentenced/45HJF5R7OZHDRO4QHUAWLMWMMA/
  
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  February 22, 2025 10:42am
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    Maggy: This has the stink of GANG all over it. See my comment above.
    
    The only way it could be any worse is if the pimp was also her Uncle. Or her father.
    
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    February 22, 2025 10:58am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed…
      
      Clayton Fox appeared before the courts in 2010 in relation to belonging to Mongrel Mob..(during a murder case)
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4245418/Mob-member-pleads-not-guilty-to-murder
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/mongrel-mob-member-found-guilty-murder
      
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      February 22, 2025 1:32pm
- JackRabbit
  
  And of course no one bats an eyelid when the schools teach 13 year olds that its OK to have underage sex and give instructions on all the different positions and combinations.
  
  Instead of teaching morals, values, and abstinence. And the schools never think of the unintended consequences.
  
  They had earlier pleaded guilty to receiving commercial sexual services from a girl aged 13.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/rodney-hide-my-presentation-the-school-principal-did-not-want-the-board-to-hear
  
  If schools promote and teach a child how to have underage sex, including ways to give maximum pleasure, they shouldn’t be surprised if said children end up doing it for money. A lot easier than setting up a lemonade stand. And far more portable, and a far greater demand.
  
  Those schools teaching underage sex should be shutdown by Monday, and names blasted all over the media.
  
  Won’t happen. We live in a sick society.
  
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  February 22, 2025 11:09am
  - John Loveridge
    
    My then-12-year-old daughter was being taught how to have oral sex and masturbate. I pulled her out of that class so fast there was a sonic boom.
    
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    February 22, 2025 6:25pm
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It would appear that hamas is in a great deal of trouble so much so that they cant ident their victims.
And the exchanges of prisoners is about over…..
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February 22, 2025 9:13am
- Inandout
  
  G, the Israeli response to this savagery is about to begin. Hold on tight, as they say.
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:45am
slightlyrighty

Given the Chinese Navy operations in the Tasman, Helen Clark’s boast of NZ living in a Benign strategic environment is ringing rather hollow.

The benefits of a couple of extra frigates and a Squadron of F16 A/B variants as a level of deterrent may be a bit more obvious now, but the worst loss is the loss of expertise in low level attack missions in an anti-maritime role. Something which our Airforce were exceptionally skilled at, and something I witnessed first hand with the A4 Skyhawks.
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February 22, 2025 9:35am
- Mod88
  
  Yes, that’s why 2 Sqdn were based at Nowra to run Fleet Defence for the Australian Navy freeing up their assets for strike missions. The Aussies supplied the Fuel too.
  
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  February 22, 2025 1:41pm
Northshoredoc

China flexing its muscle in the Tasman Sea.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360590483/nz-navy-shadowing-chinese-warships-reportedly-observe-behaviour-consistent-live-fire-activity

I would hope the ambassador gets called in by Winston for a chat, especially if they undertaking a live fire exercise.
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February 22, 2025 9:48am
- Terry Dalee
  
  I don’t think NZ gets the full implications and the message that China is sending. This is literally a shot across the bow.
  
  Being involved with international flight operations, it is highly unusual and very provocative to start live firing exercise without a lot of prior warning. Usually there is months of prior warning and it is very well documented. It also usually occurs in well known military ranges, not in random patches of international waters with no prior notice.
  
  You cannot compare this to the South China Sea as no western navies have been holding unannounced live firing exercises as part of freedom of navigation exercises. The southern region of the South China Sea isn’t China’s either.
  
  It shows that China understands the new world order emerging under Trump and will be more bold and bellegrent in future. The chances are higher that Taiwan will probably be invaded within the next 3 years.
  
  The message is clear. We can be a threat to you, distance is no barrier.
  
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  February 22, 2025 12:09pm
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    Wait until they build a base at Penryn Atoll/Cook Islands and their fishing fleet heads this way accompanied by warships. Think it won’t happen, Ask Chile. ps. Some of those fishing boats are armed too. NZ’s 2 warship Navy is (insert word here).
    
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    February 22, 2025 1:38pm
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    In saying that, maybe a Chinese invasion wouldn’t be bad for NZ… They can sort Te Patu Maori out… Chinese style….
    
    Don’t mention the Square…..
    
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    February 22, 2025 1:52pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Ruled by China communist party or ruled by The Maori Party. What a dilemma.
      
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      February 22, 2025 3:02pm
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      Te Anamana Tapawha.
      
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      February 22, 2025 4:30pm
- MCōs
  
  What’s Winston going to threaten him with?
  Report him to the Privileges Committee or something?
  
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  February 22, 2025 6:38pm
rouppe

A Fox Business report about the fabulous snow this season in the USA. She gives a report while boarding down a slope. Not a steep slope, not a difficult slope, but nonetheless, speaking coherently while doing it.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6369144002112

I doubt Paddy Gower or most of the other “senior correspondents” here could do anything similar.
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February 22, 2025 10:27am
- AitchW
  
  To be fair there are plenty of younger reporters at TVNZ and 3 who could do that with ease.
  
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  February 22, 2025 4:32pm
- MCōs
  
  Fascinating
  Another weather reporter who does their own stunts like standing in a rain storm
  
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  February 22, 2025 6:26pm
vand

Hamas initially said the recently released dead hostages were killed in an airstrike. Israel says the children were strangled.to death. Then Hamas said the supposed dead mother was a gazan killed in the airstrike- That strongly suggests to me the hostages were kept with civilians or likely guarded by civilians. Either way Hamas are monsters to not only Jews but to their own people
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February 22, 2025 10:31am
- AitchW
  
  What sort of monster could have a mother and two infants in their house for months then stand by while they were murdered and mutilated?
  Is every Gazan a psychopath because it certainly looks that way.
  70+ Christians tied up and beheaded (and God knows what else beforehand) by Islamists in Congo.
  I want a keffiyeh wearer to explain to me why they support these people.
  Just one.
  
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  February 22, 2025 11:58am
  - cmm
    
    “What sort of monster could have a mother and two infants in their house for months then stand by while they were murdered and mutilated?”
    
    I doubt those people really had much say in the matter, but most likely the people chosen to hold hostages would have been the most trusted, and thus most militant, of Gazans.
    
    Still, the Prophet said to kill the Jew where you find him (or similar), and the Prophet is a top bloke, so you just do what you’ve got to do.
    
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    February 22, 2025 9:13pm
Steve Otto N Shore

DOGE frenzy.
Trump wants to find money for tax cuts for hid rich billionaire friends? I don’t think it works like that. The middle income earner will welcome a tax cut and if it comes from finding waste then they will be right behind DOGE.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/democrats-cant-keep-up-as-gop-lawmaker-slams-doge-frenzy/?
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February 22, 2025 10:44am
- JackRabbit
  
  I though Trump was proposing removing tax on overtime. That would benefit both low and middle income workers.
  
  But that sends some people into a spin.
  https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-overtime-tax-exemption/
  
  Trump’s “No Tax on Overtime Pay” Proposal Would Distort Work Decisions.
  
  Yeah, some people might make the decision to work longer hours instead of getting handouts.
  
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  February 22, 2025 11:16am
Steve Otto N Shore

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS).
This is about 8 days old and gives a bit of background on RFK Jr. Not the normal rubbish the media attack him about.
Video 5 minutes.
I go with his ideas on processed foods. Try putting cheese over a flame. Natural cheese melts, processed cheese just burns, no melting. Try it.
Seed oils? Not so sure. We use a lot of rice bran oil, mainly because it has very little smoke.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/rfk-jr-poised-to-be-the-most-impactful-health-secretary-in-history/?
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February 22, 2025 11:06am
- AitchW
  
  My problem with RFK is that although his views on healthy living and good diet resonate with me, he seems to have drunk a good good glasses full of the Kool-Aid when it comes to assorted conspiracy theories.
  HPV, Polio, and Covid seem to be his three favourite betes noir, and he’s been reported as a chemtrail believer.
  Perhaps the last can be dismissed, but his anti vax views are troubling.
  
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  February 22, 2025 11:32am
  - wsk12345
    
    It is not antivax to want proper trials. And not adjuvant bs vaccine but saline vs vaccine.
    
    We know they lied about the mRNAs. We know they lied with drugs such as vioxx. How far back does the lying go? I’d like to know.
    
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    February 22, 2025 2:54pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Elon Musk Uncovers Centuries-Old Names on Social Security Payroll.
150 year olds get social security check? No it’s not fraud!

https://patriotpowerednetwork.com/elon-musk-uncovers-centuries-old-names-on-social-security-payroll/?
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February 22, 2025 11:12am
- JackRabbit
  
  No it’s not fraud!
  
  Clearly not, as those people are still alive and kicking, and managed to fill out a mail in ballot in 2020 to vote for Joe Biden. ////
  
  We get upset of photos of scammers with a bank of 100 remote control mobile phones, carrying out scams.
  
  Can we get photos of the banks computers juggling 10,000 150 year old social security and election fraud?
  
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  February 22, 2025 11:21am
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    ID not required – for anything – except me buying Jack Daniels and Stella in Hawaii or Alaska LOL!!
    
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    February 22, 2025 4:52pm
- Lance
  
  Goodness, anybody might think Elon Musk is full of shit.. surely not.
  Oh, like claiming the astronauts from the Boeing capsule are being kept on the ISS for political reasons.
  In a way that is true, but obscenely misleading.
  To send a launch just to ‘rescue them’ would be like $100 million when they are busy working away now and are instead scheduled to return when the next REQUIRED launch is scheduled.
  
  Elon wanted more govt money flicked SpaceX’s (his) way for no good reason.
  
  That’s odd, I thought he was being paid handsomely to stop unnecessary govt spending?
  Silly me.
  
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  February 22, 2025 4:38pm
imalwaysright

Two months to upgrade a semirural level crossing !
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360589825/brooklyn-rd-crossing-close-8-weeks

This is either a misprint , gross incompetence, or corruption.
Probably all three…
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February 22, 2025 12:50pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Bad illustration, they forgot the potholes on the road.
  
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  February 22, 2025 4:58pm
- cmm
  
  Sounds about right for NZ. The Auckland train services are out for weeks while minor repairs are being done.
  
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  February 22, 2025 9:09pm
thirteenstars

From Reason:

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump signed what might possibly be his best executive order yet, focused on majorly curbing the power of agencies within his purview. “It is the policy of my Administration to focus the executive branch’s limited enforcement resources on regulations squarely authorized by constitutional Federal statutes, and to commence the deconstruction of the overbearing and burdensome administrative state”

This is yuge:

Within 60 days of the date of this order, agency heads shall, in consultation with the Attorney General as appropriate, identify the following classes of regulations:
(i) unconstitutional regulations and regulations that raise serious constitutional difficulties, such as exceeding the scope of the power vested in the Federal Government by the Constitution;
(ii) regulations that are based on unlawful delegations of legislative power;
(iii) regulations that are based on anything other than the best reading of the underlying statutory authority or prohibition;
(iv) regulations that implicate matters of social, political, or economic significance that are not authorized by clear statutory authority;
(v) regulations that impose significant costs upon private parties that are not outweighed by public benefits;
(vi) regulations that harm the national interest by significantly and unjustifiably impeding technological innovation, infrastructure development, disaster response, inflation reduction, research and development, economic development, energy production, land use, and foreign policy objectives; and
(vii) regulations that impose undue burdens on small business and impede private enterprise and entrepreneurship.

https://reason.com/2025/02/21/best-executive-order-yet/
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February 22, 2025 2:04pm
Jack5

Great grand-dad’s spinning in the cemetery veterans’ section …

New Zealanders some day not too far away might welcome visits from Japanese aircraft-carriers, given the aggressive display in the Tasman Sea of the People’s Liberation Army Navy, a.k.a. the PLA Navy or the People’s Navy.

The Japanese Navy (officially the Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force) has 26 submarines, more than 50 destroyers and frigates, but also four carriers. Initially all were called helicopter carriers, but two are now being described as light aircraft carriers.

One JN ship is in San Diego being formally converted into a light aircraft carrier. It carries the name Kaga, which was that of one of the carriers from which the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour 84 years ago. The conversion in the US includes capability for hosting F35B vertical take-off fighters.

The new Kaga seems to be of similar size to the Royal Navy’s Invincible-class light carriers that were mother ships for Harrier VTO jets and helicopters in the Falklands war.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-news-helps-japan-build-first-aircraft-carriers-since-wwii-amid-china-threat-1964971
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February 22, 2025 2:19pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Japan can not go to War. They can defend, yes, but not go to War.
  
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  February 22, 2025 5:02pm
  - AitchW
    
    Steve, you’re quite right. However in the unlikely event that Japan decided to go to war who would stop them and how?
    
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    February 22, 2025 5:58pm
    - cmm
      
      ” However in the unlikely event that Japan decided to go to war who would stop them and how?”
      
      Their aging population and plummeting birthrates maybe?
      
      War making, especially expeditionary war, needs lots of young cannon fodder willing to do their nation’s bidding.
      
      Old men can do home defence quite well – Dad’s Army style. Defence needs a completely different training and fitness profile
      
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      February 22, 2025 9:08pm
- MCōs
  
  Times have changed since the old boy’s days.
  My first mother in law loathed Turks on account of what happened at Gallipoli.
  My own great grandfather escaped Ireland around 1881 to get away from the appalling treatment of the Poms — and came here were the British King is head of state.
  
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  February 23, 2025 12:07am
Swifty

I call for Phil Twyford to lose his MP status for his appalling and dismal betrayal of New Zealanders by failing to deliver on his repeated KiwiBuild promises coupled with his recent and strident calls to enable the emigration to New Zealand hundreds if not thousands of Hamas terrorist sympathisers and active supporters.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/542613/labour-mp-calls-for-destiny-church-to-lose-charity-status

An MP who has few if any equals in the degree to which he has and continues to let New Zealanders down.

If the man had a shred of integrity he would immediately retire from politics. Hell, even his own party has totally lost confidence in him.
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February 22, 2025 2:32pm
- AitchW
  
  Not one Muslim refugee from the Middle East should be accepted.
  The repugnant displays by the residents of Gaza when returning hostages, both alive and dead, disqualifies them from any humanitarian aid.
  The children are indoctrinated with their mother’s milk.
  We must not allow that sort of religion driven hatred across our border.
  
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  February 22, 2025 4:38pm
RichardF

I encourage people to download the app ‘Press Reader’ and sign up by linking your library card to it. It provides free access to 000’s of global newspapers and magazines. It’s become my go to source of news. Works great on a large screen tablet. It’s so good getting news from outside NZ. Our local rags are really quite pathetic when it comes to international affairs and sports, two of my main interests.
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February 22, 2025 3:19pm
- [email protected]
  
  Installed Press Reader but it wants NZ$45.00 per month. What did I do wrong?
  
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  February 23, 2025 8:40am
Mod88

Oh well it looks like it’s Bye bye for the Cook Islands and NZ Citizenship. As it should be. Lets see how they go with Chinese Passports and working in Shanghai and sending the money home. If the Govt backs down NZ is the joke of the Pacific.
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February 22, 2025 4:11pm
- cmm
  
  Naah, the Cooks will still get hand outs from NZ.
  
  Do you really think Cooks people are going to fly to Beijing for medical care?
  
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