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Anthony Melchett

Newsflash!

Maori rates of HIV are about the same as their representation of the overall population. 15%…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-health-provider-wants-community-to-know-hiv-transmission-is-rising-for-heterosexuals/QOHF7L6W3BBG5AQA62VFPA7P74/

Yet somehow this is worthy of a news article stating that this puts maori females at risk. From what I can tell, it’s because maoris appear to be less faithful to their partner as that’s the only reason the article gives as to why they are more at risk.

They arent, as the stats mirror the population Yet here we are gaslighting everyone and pretending that something else is worse for maoris than others when its not. So much so in fact, there is even a business setup specifically to look after maoris with hiv. No doubt taking millions a year from the government to do so.

Would like to see the books for “Toitū Te Ao”. Will be a few new Rangers in their I suspect…
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March 9, 2025 8:09am
- imalwaysright
  
  At what point will the race of Maori be declared as historical?
  It is now impossible for a full blooded Maori to be born, every child from here on will have less Maori dna than their parents.
  Would that be an adequate reason to also consign the treaty to history and move on as a population of individuals with the same rights and responsibilities?
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:09am
  - Paulus
    
    No – it’s Money Money Money !
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:05pm
  - JerJer
    
    Hopefully soon.
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:44pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Special allowances for special people.
  “Stewart, who founded health organisation Toitū te Ao three years ago to serve Māori, Pasifika and indigenous people living with HIV across the North Island, said she had seen evidence of the trend on the ground last year.”
  Why have a special health organisation? The rest of us don’t have special health services.
  BTW, did you see the size of my jade carving e hoa?
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:14am
  - PurplePen
    
    I get a bit tired of the Maori and pasifika bashing by do-gooder social services academics and organisations. There are any number of others in NZ that will have the same taboo about sexual health and HIV etc, and as a result get diagnosed late only when they have symptoms.
    
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    March 9, 2025 10:42am
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      The point I was making is I do not have any special health services over and above that of others because of my race.
      
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      March 9, 2025 12:06pm
      - PurplePen
        
        Yes. Agree.
        
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        March 9, 2025 1:34pm
  - I remember when
    
    The real question is what qualifications does ‘specialist indigenous health provider’ indicate.
    The increase in HIV cases is a worry.
    
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    March 9, 2025 1:59pm
- Phronesis
  
  HIV rates across the country are low. But they will be many many times higher for risk groups like homosexual men and iv drug users. So being on the average would probably put you many times higher than the average for most of the population.
  
  Having said that there is no increased risk to maori due to being genetically maori (a pretty dubious claim these days anyway). The risk is behavioural or in other words cultural. So what they are saying is there is a problem with their culture.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:44am
  - Damocles11
    
    We are all one species: Homo Sapiens. The Herald has an agenda to reinforce notions around racial differences, they want us all totally divided by race. It is a truly evil agenda.
    
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    March 9, 2025 12:40pm
- Damocles11
  
  The implication can only be that Maori females are more promiscuous than any other group. I thought The New Red Herald was supposed to be a beacon of progressive marxist thought; this kind of racial stereotyping should have Maori females up in arms.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:46am
- JerJer
  
  I laughed at most of the article. Really it says nothing important, it just tries to complain that this affects Maori more than others when clearly that’s not true. Then it goes on to say the reason that this is the case is because sexually transmitted disease brings shame to Maori and it is something called ‘Tapu’ and you can t talk about it as a Maori. Give me a fucking break. Are they trying to tell us that drinking and taking drugs, and beating your wife and family (and also cheating on your wife) and spreading HIV is totally fine, but then oh no, we can’t talk about it as Māori because it’s shameful. What a load of nonsense. At Paul Henry would say…”start a group”.
  
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  March 9, 2025 2:44pm
Matt Long

The Democrats, having found Gaddafi’s turn from financing terrorism to intolerable, decided to replace him with islamist chaos, and a failed State.
Having achieved this remarkable success, they turned their attention to Syria, and by financing al Qaeda and Isis overthrew Assad, and now the genocide has begun.
Like the Gazans, the Islamists are live streaming the massacre and torture of Alawites, Christians and Druze. Israel is committing to protecting Druze areas of Syria, but for the rest, only the Russian air base is offering protection.
These are the people that will rule Europe within a few decades if Europeans don’t stand up.
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March 9, 2025 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  Couldn’t be true .
  
  Te media have not over run us with these stories , unlike when the IDF went into Gaza , “oh dear the hospitals , the children”
  
  Likewise there aren’t endless weekend marches ; Save the Alawites and there have been no Green MP’s in parks and dressed up as Druze , Alawites or Christians , screeching about their rights to a homeland and peace and security .( Not to mention a few prominent Labour MPs who also like to cosplay as Sunni Arabs ).
  
  So no, it’s not happening!
  
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  March 9, 2025 9:08am
- Eastlander
  
  Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Britain, Algeria – wherever there are Sunni Muslims in abundance they torment everyone else, and as in Algeria, when they’re aren’t any religious minorities to murder they butcher each other instead. Awful people with a completely baseless victim complex. Even as they rinse their hands in blood they’re still wailing about imaginary wrongs done to them.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:59am
Yvette

A committee normally calls for public submissions, hears evidence on those submissions, and recommends amendments to the House. The committee’s report consists of the bill reprinted with the recommended amendments shown and a commentary, which is the committee’s narrative explanation of its recommendations and the issues it considered.
https://www.parliament.nz/mi/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/fact-sheets/pbrief6/#10

So how many are on the Committee and how do they arrive at any meaningful thorough representation of all the information and misinformation they have heard or read?

300,000 submissions, say 1 minute each equals 5,000 hours equals 208 24hour days

How many politicians see a bill that involves “the right to govern” as just a bloody waste of time when they should be getting on with the business of governing?

Seymour – “It’s finally arrived that New Zealanders will have a proper discussion about what our founding document means.”
Did we? – have a discussion?
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March 9, 2025 8:15am
- pdm
  
  No – well not an open discussion anyway.
  
  There appeared to me to be a strong bias towards those opposed in the Oral Submissions.
  
  My guess around 2 or maybe even 3 to 1.
  
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  March 9, 2025 9:46am
  - Andrew M
    
    What does that tell you?
    
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    March 9, 2025 9:57am
    - kiwimike
      
      andrew m
      nothing because it was a maori activist inspired rort
      
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      March 10, 2025 8:34pm
  - Colville
    
    pdm.
    
    Submissions are usually 10 to 1 against any proposition as its easy for a group who is against to get membership to do a cut and paste submission but also there are a lot of oldies (dont get offended!) who will submit based on a single strand of a very complex argument.
    
    I hope you submitted on the FDS process locally!
    
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    March 9, 2025 10:03am
    - pdm
      
      Col – FDS locally?
      
      re the TPG I think you may be right but numbers will not be released to May – I have that from someone James Meager referred my query to in the Justice Dept.
      
      That is very strange because a simple numbers for and numbers against should have been available when counting finished weeks ago. They could then be qualified and dissected more for the May release.
      
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      March 9, 2025 1:10pm
  - Yvette
    
    What concerns me is that nowhere is there discussion that is distinguished by any exchange of ideas.
    There is just a random bunch of assertions, true or false, and no debate, analysis, argument, consultation, deliberation or intelligent moderation.
    
    It is a helpful as Ardern’s great “national conversation” on Capital Gains Tax, where she didn’t even give her own Government’s start position, or Willie Jackson’s implementation of Ardern’s other “national conversation”, that on the response to He Puapua, or the “national conversation” on co-governance – where Maori elite were supposedly consulted, and a then 83 percent portion of the population, non-Maori public never were.
    
    It is disappointing the National Coalition so far follows in the footsteps of Ardern – national conversations where no one converses.
    
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    March 9, 2025 10:17am
    - pdm
      
      Yvette – One cannot help but think that PM Luxon is scared to hear opinions from the `unwashed public ie you and I, because they may, or more likely will, differ greatly from what he wants.
      
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      March 9, 2025 1:13pm
      - kiwimike
        
        My suspision is you are correct.
        Luxon is a weak, woke, Gaia Maori activist.
        not representing the 83% of us who don’t indentify as Maori.
        
        which makes him a Liar…….
        
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        March 10, 2025 8:37pm
- I remember when
  
  Surely the point of the committee should have been to get the views of those who presented meaningful facts in their submission.
  How many submissions, containing such facts, have been buried, while many largely expressing emotional viewpoints have been viewed?
  
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  March 9, 2025 2:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360602971/sibling-geniuses-risk-deportation
Remarkable girls. Of course they should stay.
Let us hope that INZ and Penk make the right decision.
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March 9, 2025 8:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  If they are not allowed to stay here, then maybe Australia or Canada will take them.
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Vietnam needs its geniuses more than the west does.
    We’ve got far too many geniuses already and look at the trouble all our “experts” have got us into.
    
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    March 9, 2025 9:04am
    - fernglas
      
      Vietnam has plenty of geniuses, as well as a large hard-working and ambitious population. In another decade we will be begging for them back
      
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      March 9, 2025 9:59am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Our experts are expert at telling us they are experts.
      Apart from that…
      
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      March 9, 2025 11:04am
- artemisia
  
  The article mentions the 2021 Residency Visa for those here on various visas. IIRC a COVID related initiative.
  
  What many don’t realise is the scale of these residency grants. Over 100,000 applications, almost all approved, covering over 200,000 people. That’s massive for a small country, though it’s likely Australia will benefit considerably.
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:37am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘covering over 200,000 people’
    
    Gosh $t1ffed and the other legacy media won’t have any trouble finding huge numbers of poster people PhD types the country is in such dire need of , in what appears to be the opening of another front in their war on the current govt ( and taxpayers), struggling to tidy up after 6 years of Ardern.
    
    Isn’t it very convenient $t1ffed can’t report all the details of this heart string tugging story yet they’ll still run it for all it’s emotional worth .
    Came on tourist visas to see the penguins!Pah!
    
    Talking of te media ,Herald , yet again has chosen another anti coalition letter of the week ( from a regular of course ) , this time hug a crim.
    
    Oh and their editorial today is a doozie , anti Peters’ DEI bill with the conclusion giving the most impertinent of advice to the govt ‘to stay focussed on the issues that matter to NZers ‘ ; oh really , like school lunches .
    
    Just goes to prove te media can have its cake and eat it. ( cold , burned , too hot whatever)
    
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    March 9, 2025 9:02am
    - PurplePen
      
      Changing the board for nzme can’t come soon enough.
      
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      March 9, 2025 10:45am
- sirknz
  
  This sort of thing is not new with INZ. I had friends at uni who after we had all graduated were put through the wringer by INZ staff who could barely string a sentence together in English.
  
  To me on the outside of this process, it seems to be that if you’ve got qualifications, work ethic, a job, and skills that would be beneficial to NZ, it is very difficult for you to get approval to stay, if you’ve got nothing to offer beyond a job in a liquor store or an ethnic restaurant then you get the welcome mat and can bring in roughly 50 of your closest family members who will be a massive drain on resources supplied by net taxpayers.
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:52am
- pdm
  
  Agreed greybeard.
  Great examples of how you can progress in education if you put your head down and arse up and study, study, study.
  
  The will to learn and progress in other words.
  
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  March 9, 2025 9:16am
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  They should stay, on condition that they do stay. It would be a shame if they get all of the qualifications they need then shoot through to greener pastures.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:27am
- imalwaysright
  
  Stanford and the teachers will love them, they have probably, between them, skewed the national education statistics by about +15%
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:09am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Remarkable mother more like! Spent 5 years visiting NZ to set up education for her girls. Apparently they arrived on visitor’s visas so we’re unaware if NZ is paying for their education or their parents.
  There is no mention of the father moving to NZ, just the mother, a big red flag that they do not intend to stay in NZ.
  How were they able to enrol in high school in NZ on vistor’s visas? How is an 11 yr old on a visitor’s visa able to enrol in a NZ university?
  Why do they fear deportation when they have turned down far more prestigious university scholarships? Surely the world is their oyster?
  It’s hard to believe they spoke no English when their mother had been preparing the way with her visits to NZ for 5 yrs.
  Photos from their home (unclear if NZ or Vietnam) show them in large rooms surrounded by antiques, these gals don’t look to be struggling.
  If you are forcing your kids to live in a car and study under streetlamps you could just go home, even during Covid, you’re clearly not without financial resources.
  How old was Vicky when she was adopted? A baby or a 12 yr old, makes a difference.
  The mother wants to protect her own privacy while offering her girls none. She knows she has been, at least, sneaky and underhand and put her girls in an unenviable position.
  I would let the girls stay as residents, not citizens, in the full knowledge that as soon as they both get overseas offers that suit their parents, they will be gone. It’s not their fault that their parents are liars and we often let far worse in. The mother should be on the next plane.
  
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  March 9, 2025 4:33pm
Simon

Elections every 2 yrs so the clowns can be voted out until they get it right. Its the only language they understand.
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March 9, 2025 8:22am
- Mark Hanley
  
  How about the Swiss referenda system so any policies not campaigned on or the changing of sacrosanct NZ laws and institutions are decided by NZers e.g.,
  – the curriculum,
  – the reserve Bank act,
  – laws differentiating between races,
  – democracy,
  – climate change,
  
  Referenda could finally put H1 and H2 out to pasture.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:08am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It would appear NZers are generally too thick and/or indifferent to even consider such a system (hence why the best they can generally manage is reaching for the same tired and insipid National party). So carry on with tweedle dum and tweedle dee throwing out the baby with the bath water every few years and reverting to year zero from scratch just to rinse and repeat with the same old crap again, ad infinitum.
    
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    March 9, 2025 4:58pm
- Don Beckett
  
  So are you going to put up the money for the huge extra cost ?
  Thought not.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:44am
  - pdm
    
    Cumbersome and slow too.
    
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    March 9, 2025 1:16pm
- MCōs
  
  NZ hasn’t had a three year government since Kirk/Rowling about half a century ago.
  I don’t know what makes you think we would suddenly start turning over governments after two years.
  
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  March 9, 2025 3:28pm
Colville

Peter Zeihan
He has severe TDS but is well worth a listen.
His take on New Zealand posted yestetday, he was here for a month on holiday.
https://youtu.be/sDjy-8Nye1w?si=9kQ_LSwqa6yHRUrD
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March 9, 2025 8:35am
- PurplePen
  
  Don’t know him at all. Had a listen, interesting and positive for us. Was surprised he says NZ has the highest birthrate in the western world and high compared to the better developing countries. So I looked this up. We’re 1.7 births per a Chris Hipkins woman. There’s a whole lot of other western countries around 1.7. He says we’re higher than Mexico, India and Turkey. No we’re not. Which either my source data is wrong or he is and his other assertions are then questionable.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:04am
- herb1
  
  Daily ,more and more sane people have what you call TDS . I think it’s something to do with daily attacks on Allies, calling them childish names . Implementing policies , seemingly without much thought, and changing them the next day. However the bigger reason might be siding with a murderous despot who attacked his neighbour , and aiding his murderous rampage by stopping g intelligence and missile guidance capabilities and stopping deliveries of weapons and the missiles needed to protect t(e schools and hospitals Russia attack on a regular basis.
  As the old saying goes you’re judged by the company you keep. I no longer wish to judged by any association with Trump. If that has me called a TDS sufferer , that’s fine. It says more about t(e people brandishing those childish insults , than it does about me
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:22am
  - JerJer
    
    Many people have it. I see the left are going full retard now. They have moaned for years that there is too much waste and we are hurting the environment and that the solution is to pay loads of taxes so they can spend those taxes on things that don’t fix any problem. Now we have Elon Musk tearing apart government departments and eliminating waste (which is what the climate cult say they want). The leftie response is so ironic…….violence, burning peoples businesses (Tesla dealerships), and lighting electric cars on fire (the thing they claim will save the plant). Interesting how their priorities change when things are not going their way.
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:53pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Trump had read about General Paulus at Stalingrad, then he studied the situation in Kursk.
    People seriously afflicted with TDS are unable to do that sort of thing.
    
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    March 10, 2025 2:56am
- Lance
  
  I like listening to Peter’s YouTube posts.
  His skills are reducing complex issues down to simple one sentence summaries. From there you can either agree or disagree with his conclusions.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:42am
Souvlaki

There seem to be increasing rumours of ‘numbers being taken’ to topple Luxon….the latest I see is in an advertisement for an article in the Listener by Duncan Garner, suggesting just this.
Regardless of the veracity of these rumours, unless National re-visit their decision not to support Seymours referendum, any change in ‘jockeys’ will not improve their ratings much…in my opinon at least.!
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March 9, 2025 8:36am
- Grunter
  
  And they don’t have anyone to replace him. National are becoming a lost cause of Wokesters and Jokesters.
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:42am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It would help if Luxon would listen to farmers’ groups like the Metane Science Accord.
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:42am
  - Mod88
    
    National have lost the Farmers I think. That Party has strayed too far from it’s Core Principles. Rolling Luxon will matter not a whit when you look at any potential replacement. Willis will be worse for them.
    
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    March 9, 2025 8:57am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Who’s got them now?
      
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      March 9, 2025 10:25am
      - Don Beckett
        
        ACT probably.
        
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        March 9, 2025 12:02pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Luxon is a climate change alarmist. I am sure there are some senior Nat MPs who would understand science and support our farmers and consider pulling out of Paris.
      
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      March 9, 2025 10:47am
      - Quail
        
        There is such a decline in NZ farming and farmers numbers that it would be surprising if their vote could crack 5%.
        Productivity is a different matter but who cares in this country!
        
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        March 9, 2025 8:16pm
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      Simeon Brown. Smart cookie.
      
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      March 9, 2025 11:04am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Maybe, and the air time he is getting about health appears to be well planned, maybe the resignation of Foran was not a coincidence
        
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        March 9, 2025 11:34am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Very promising but needs a bit more time before being PM material methinks. Too young.
        
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        March 9, 2025 5:15pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      National have lost their mojo and confidence. Mentally, being crushed by Jacinda in 2021 and surrounded by a predominantly left Wellingtonian population, they have forgotten:
      – they won the 2017 election in terms of popularity for a right of centre viewpoint
      – 2021 was an anomaly due to all the frightened people voting for Jacinda so that they and granny wouldn’t die
      – the media no longer represents the voices of the average NZer
      So they have adopted an all things to all people mantra. They are further left than the Helen Clark Labour Party.
      
      Luxon is clearly talented but not politically astute. Mike Hoskings recent gentle chastisement is an example of this. He is too hard on his own team and too soft on his opponents. He doesn’t seem to stand for anything. He is certainly not going to pull the party back to the political right. But does National have anyone better?
      
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      March 9, 2025 11:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What happened in 21
        
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        March 9, 2025 11:35am
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        Simeon Brown.
        
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        March 9, 2025 12:08pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The election mid-Covid – I should have said have 2020.
        
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        March 9, 2025 2:43pm
      - MCōs
        
        “Mike Hoskings recent gentle chastisement”
        More like a humiliation
        
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        March 9, 2025 3:35pm
- Paulus
  
  Garbage Garner must be desperate for money – again ,so he will shit stir anything to get sales ! ~
  
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  March 9, 2025 8:54am
- peterwn
  
  Any new leader would need the acceptance of both NZF and ACT otherwise otherwise there could be a forced election (or Labour/ Greens/ TPM/ NZF being giver an opportunity to try and form a government).
  
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  March 9, 2025 9:06am
  - pdm
    
    pw – interesting that if what you say occurs it would therefore be National that takes the coalition down due to their internal politics.
    
    Nothing to do with conflict between ACT and NZFirst as predicted since day one of the Coalition by the naysayers.
    
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    March 9, 2025 9:23am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Is there just one piece of evidence Nats have internal problems?
      
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      March 9, 2025 11:36am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘need the acceptance of both NZF’
    
    More than acceptance .
    
    As Winston First already pointed out , he made Luxon the PM ( as he did Ardern).
    
    What I find extraordinary is how te media has laregely skipped over that clear case of inter coaltion rivalry , yet had it been Seymour saying that it woukd be front page “news” for days on end.
    
    I get the feeling te media like the clown show the comedy duo Peters and Jones provides but know in their gut that Seymour is serious and therefore must be constantly undermined .
    
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    March 9, 2025 9:42am
    - Paulus
      
      The media are still. and continuously, desperate to denigrate anything the the elected Coalition may do and to tell us how, what and where there is a crack in this first ever New Zealand MMP Coalition.
      The so called media pack of what we would call Wankers.
      
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      March 9, 2025 2:19pm
- DimChappie
  
  Ani O’Brien suggests we put up with Luxon to avoid the horrors of a Labour/TMP/Green government:
  
  https://substack.com/home/post/p-158629289
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:10am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Ani also has a very good article on Richard Prebble & the Waitangi Tribunal fiasco.
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/ani-o-brien-richard-prebble-is-not-an-extremist
    
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    March 9, 2025 12:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    There won’t be a Labour/TPM/Green government.
    The last Labour government was a coalition with Winston. The Greens only had ministers outside cabinet
    TPM & the Greens have nowhere else to go, unlike Winston last time. Labour have seen how disruptive the third parties have been in the current chaotic arrangement when they have too much power.
    There’s no way TPM will have representation in cabinet. It’ll be some sort of lesser arrangement
    
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    March 9, 2025 3:47pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  In this case the jockey is not even on the horse, he has lost the horse.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:31am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    A wonderfully picturesque image Steve.
    
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    March 9, 2025 12:34pm
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      He is ‘dazed’?
      
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      March 9, 2025 6:50pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  You really think this is the reason Luxon’s ratings have stayed low? I think you need to expand your views beyond kiwiblog comments! Mike Hosking’s interview is why, he needs to better articulate an opinion, he comes across as quite weak at times. I don’t think it’s tied to Seymour’s bill as much as some people on here like to make out.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Again no one gives a shit about the bill, everyone knew before the election the answer was no, if you somehow think Luxon popularity is cause the bill then you are deluded, last poll had what the m as in issues were, Treaty issues was low down on 7%
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:31am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    They aren’t winning on the Economy. They haven’t cut the public service enough.
    
    They have made a mess with the school lunches. I know you will blame Seymour for that, but it is National that wasn’t prepared to roll any of it back. They should have said let’s fund it more efficiently but we will also review if it is the right approach and make a decision about its future later in our term.
    
    The Ethnostate may be lower down the order at the moment because people are still feeling badly off economically but it looks likely they will make a mess of rolling back Tikanga in the courts. If so this will become a bigger issue with a big public backlash.
    
    The problem we have is that they took a don’t spook the horses approach into the election and are continuing along the same vein now they are in power.
    
    Their biggest strength is we all have the ABL* mentality.
    
    * ABL = anyone but labour
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:52pm
- Flossie
  
  Duncan Garner wouldn’t know.
  
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  March 9, 2025 12:48pm
Bridgenag

Anyone interested…You can go on the White House Mailing list to get the updates and news. A smart move after the way the MSM have treated the Republicans. Can’t ask for more transparency.
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March 9, 2025 9:28am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  You’ll know all about it, then. Perhaps you could give some examples of people who are, or expect to be made, better off as a result of any action taken by this administration
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:48am
  - artemisia
    
    Deporting the undocumented who are also criminals – good chance of fewer victims of crime. Sounds like a plan. And there are local taxpayers in sanctuary cities and counties who should notice a change.
    
    How’s that for a start?
    
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    March 9, 2025 12:37pm
    - kowtow
      
      Anyone who is “undocumented” has broken the law .
      
      Once a society accepts that that’s ok then it’s open season .Anything is ok.
      
      And if that sounds ridiculous the Democrat sanctuary cities won’t allow their police to ask immigration status and worse , by policy give bail to illegal immigrant offenders. Instead of holding them till ICE comes along.
      
      So yes the Democrats are literal enemies of law and order and the victims of crime.
      
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      March 9, 2025 1:37pm
      - peterwn
        
        Some of those who are ‘undocumented’ were children of immigrants. The immigrants came to NZ from UK and the Netherlands under immigration schemes and were given residency and hence had an almost automatic pathway to citizenship. However their kids who did need passports but were named as dependents in one of the parents’ passports were not granted residency due to immigration department ineptitude. And it is some of these people that Immigration has tried or is trying to deport.
        
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        March 9, 2025 10:22pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      “He’s hurting people I don’t like” is exactly what we’ve come to expect from Trump fans as the first thing they think of when asked for examples of good things he’s done. It’s an absolutely consistent pattern – what they most want, what’s most important to them, is to see other people suffering. Are you really comfortable with that?
      
      As a matter of fact though, he’s not managing to do any more by that yardstick than his predecessor did.
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o
      
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      March 9, 2025 2:51pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    People who will be better off are the Net Taxpayers. The people who physically make stuff and pay the bulk of the Tax. You know, that Tax that gets sent to third World Countries while the US homeless and Vets get nothing.
    Better off because industry will come back – you know what that means right? Jobs for people who want jobs, not tit suckers at Uni.
    That one blew up in your face didn’t it sonny?
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:02pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      The veterans he’s called “suckers” and “losers”? Whose support networks DOGE has decimated?
      
      No, industries aren’t going to come back in response to his policies. Investors want certainty, stability and a reliable legal infrastructure. Trump’s daily policy flip flops, alienating of consumers in neighbouring markets and complete disregard for the Constitution – something we were given to understand was so important to Americans that they’d sacrifice their children’s lives rather than change it – are creating a business environment that’s nothing short of toxic.
      
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      March 9, 2025 3:04pm
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        The suckers and losers comment was at Arlington Cemetery. It was part of a sentence and taken out of context by the fake news media. (The Atlantic!!!)
        
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        March 10, 2025 11:20am
- imalwaysright
  
  B,
  Thanks for the tip.
  
  Can’t understand the downticks though. Are some people just miserable…
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:39am
AitchW

There are multiple posts on X this morning detailing wholesale murders of Christians and “the wrong sort of muslims” in Syria.
Where are the keffiyeh wearing Greens?
Where is the outrage?
Hypocritical scum.
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March 9, 2025 9:31am
Swifty

Notice the sleight of hand employed by Arthur Anae in his push for visa-free travel for PIs.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/544214/ex-national-mp-bashes-green-s-visa-free-pacific-travel-petition-despite-endorsing-cause

It might well be true that the majority of overstayers are not PIs, but that would be because non-PIs arrive here in vastly greater numbers than PIs.

I wonder whether PIs who arrive here are statistically far more likely to overstay – hence the long-standing need for them to obtain visas first.

Anyway, that aside, it’s interesting that both Anne and the Greens fail to answer the simple question – how do New Zealanders benefit from according PIs visa-free travel here?

I see too that the Greens use emotional blackmail in their pitch for PI votes by referring to PIs as ‘Whanau’:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/544201/greens-say-nz-visa-barriers-for-pacific-island-nations-is-unfair-hangover-racism
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March 9, 2025 9:53am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  PIs aren’t whanau of the Mexican Green. Or the American Green. Or the Philippino Green.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  March 9, 2025 10:59pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see on Q + A that Hipkins almost said that he would reintroduce the oil and gas bans with the unrealistic goal of 100% renewables?
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March 9, 2025 10:34am
- PurplePen
  
  He’s mad if he does that. And NZ will suffer for it.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Hipkins does not care, as long as the media will give him time whenever he wants it.
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:22pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  I don’t think I can bring myself to watch it, I despise Hipkins with a passion. His destruction of NZ is almost criminal and it’s disgraceful that he may get another chance to lead this country. He should have done the honourable thing after the election and resigned.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:24am
- GazzaW
  
  Watching and/or listening to either Hipkins or Tame on an individual basis is challenging enough. As a combo the thought is unbearable.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:29am
  - Paulus
    
    I have never heard either – it’s Sunday, so why bother.
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:23pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Tame was on holiday.
    
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    March 9, 2025 3:00pm
Pineapple Lumps

With the legalisation of Gay Marriage has come the promotion of surrogacy and adoption for Gay families. This is promoted by the media as wonderful and we are told these children are growing up in marvellous families full of love. But did you think about the trauma a baby experiences being separated from its birth mother? Or that fundamentally these Gay families are created to meet the desires of the adults and not to serve the best interests of the children?

If you are interested in some alternative views on Gay surrogacy and adoption, then you may like to listen to Katy Faust talking with Jordan Peterson. Katy was raised by lesbian Mothers, so has a unique perspective to offer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Q0WXBH0HM
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March 9, 2025 10:53am
- PurplePen
  
  “Or that fundamentally these Gay families are created to meet the desires of the adults and not to serve the best interests of the children?”.
  
  The above is the same for anyone that has children. They’re adult playthings and time fillers. What parent doesn’t fill their day and mind with shopping for all the accoutrements for the kid’s bedroom, back yard toys, fun things and times they’re going to do and have, about carrying on their name, about the prospect of grandchildren. All selfish things. None necessarily or initially in the best interests of the child.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:11am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Katy’s advocacy is about putting children first. Decisions made by adults impact on children and they have no say in them. So it doesn’t diminish her arguments when people provide examples where children are not being put first in other circumstances.
    
    She believes children have a right to a dna mother & father, a birth mother and a mother and father. These rights aren’t possible in many circumstances but are by design absolutely not met in Gay family.
    
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    March 9, 2025 3:23pm
- imalwaysright
  
  They are turning babies into commodities.
  Every baby is entitled to a mother, and if that isn’t possible, a mum.
  That is the natural contract of procreation.
  Playing dress ups and roleplaying is an insult to the baby and everyone else.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:23am
- Hapuku
  
  Two loving engaged gay parents beat some random disengaged heterosexual parents 99 times out of 100. I take it that you are only referring to gay males when you talk about the trauma of separation at birth? This is real but probably overstated.
  
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  March 9, 2025 11:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Is it true that many more so called legal marriages betwen two lesbian women break up far more regularly that with homosexual men ?
    Gay is not an appropriate expression as toits real meaning.
    
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    March 9, 2025 2:25pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Hapuku – separation at birth would occur in many surrogacy situations. The baby has spent 9 months intimately acquainted with the biological mother and when separated experiences extremely high levels of cortisol – I presume this is due to separation anxiety. Not great for baby – mentally or developmentally.
    
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    March 9, 2025 3:15pm
- Philview
  
  I do wonder about the ethics of a transactional purchase of a baby. In some parts of the world babies are stolen for such purposes. When Madeline McCann disappeared it was reported that thefts of young children were happening and blonde haired blue eyed children were in demand. Celebs were buying African babies at one time and it seemed some controversy in African mothers having their babies taken against their will.
  
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  March 9, 2025 12:11pm
- kowtow
  
  I have to laugh at some commentators who say the world is nuts when we accept the premise that one can change ones sex etc
  
  I thought the same when the Elites decided they could re define marriage .
  
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  March 9, 2025 1:39pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder Luxon’s view of Katy.
  
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  March 9, 2025 1:54pm
Swifty

Wood and Jackson really are peeing their panties at the thought of changes at NZME aren’t they?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/544218/mediawatch-anxiety-over-editorial-policy-and-a-billionaire-on-board-at-nzme
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March 9, 2025 11:07am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t NZME, and the Herald in particular, now about to have a metamorphosis in changing its name to a Maori one.
  BOP Times has one already in so far smaller print on the cover.
  
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  March 9, 2025 2:30pm
artemisia

High Court rules Kāinga Ora tenant needs to accept eviction after battle to stay in Ōtāhuhu property Herald yesterday.

Single tenant, 3 beddies state house. Four Tenancy Tribunal applications, 2 District Court and one High Court appeals, and $32,000 taxpayer money later just for external legal costs so drop in the bucket – tenant has gone. Probably to other social housing. Wonder if she paid her own legal fees, likely paid by taxpayers though.

Have to feel sorry for KO staff, this won’t be the worst case they deal with but possibly one of the more frustrating and expensive (to the taxpayer).

Noting December 2023 start of proceedings, maybe triggered by something that happened around that time?
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March 9, 2025 11:29am
Swifty

My god! Do we realise what this means?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/destiny-and-man-up-double-down-on-pride-protests-despite-backlash/PYRY46TPPZARPIXDCMK6MTM2EY/

This means that Maori can have differing views on an issue! Here we have in black and white Mayor Whanau disagreeing with the Brian Tamaki over gay and trans issues!

But have et we been told for years now that there are one set of Maori values? One Maori worldview?

Has it all been a lie?

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March 9, 2025 12:26pm
Damocles11

Harvey Norman constantly advertise in NZME left wing rags; not just small adverts either, these are wrap-arounds that the paper sits inside. The HN owners must fully support the leftist direction that NZME has taken. Something to bear in mind.
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March 9, 2025 12:43pm
- Paulus
  
  All the media would collapse without continuous Harvey Norman pages of advertising.
  
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  March 9, 2025 2:32pm
Pope Punctilious II

Woke academics and the libby media seem to be campaigning hard to dissuade other countries from emulating Trump’s pushback against DEI.
Here the latest plug for corporate diversity by an Auckland Uni academic in The Malversation. The headline: “Diversity helps: a new study shows more women on boards can improve how businesses are managed”. “Improve” in what way, you might ask. Well, if you force yourself to read on, you’ll learn that putting more women on the board helps companies to be more woke (“an average 33% improvement in their ESG performance.”). Does it improve profitability? Bah, why would you ask such a frivolous question!

No mention of increased profitability in the article.

So DEI makes companies more woke. Well hallellujah! Who’da thunka! The Malversation’s tagline is “Academic rigour, journalistic flair”. I think “woke trash” would be more appropriate.
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March 9, 2025 12:59pm
- Paulus
  
  I belive that women on Board are good, assuming the member has a knowledge of what the business and the commercial aspects are sound, but in the roles of CEO very recent departures of some Public Organisation are continuing to suggest caution in the proliferation of these appointments, but recent times have made appointments exponentially.
  
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  March 9, 2025 2:38pm
pdm

`Wonder if she paid her own legal fees,………………….

If she did that really was a pink elephant flying past our kitchen window a minute ago!!!!!
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March 9, 2025 1:29pm
Dave

Anyone looking for brief, light entertainment and a caustic take on the wonders of the indigenous existence, including NZ’s – should search YouTube Bill Maher guilt by association – sorry, I can’t do a link for this.
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March 9, 2025 1:30pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I’ve done a post on it at No Minister, This Will Have NZ Lefties Grinding Their Teeth
  
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  March 9, 2025 3:00pm
Jethrod

This morning there was quite a discussion on Chris Luxon and whether he should be replaced.
I have looked at leaders an PM’S since 1950 and it seems that a party replaces their leader at their peril. There is certain times when other events takeover also, like when Ardern was thrust into the spotlight.
Quite long, but bare with it

EIOE !

Sid Holland PM from 1949 to 1957
Peter Fraser died as leader of opposition
Walter Nash took over
Holland stood down for Keith Holyoake
Holyoake PM for 2 months
Nash beat Holyoake 1957 (ELECTION)
Holyoake beat Nash 1960 (ELECTION)
Keith Holyoake stood down for John Marshall
Marshall lost to Norm Kirk 1972 (ELECTION)
Kirk died in office
Bill Rowling took over
Marshall lost leader challenge to Rob Muldoon.
Rowling lost to Muldoon 1975 (ELECTION)
Rowling lost to Muldoon 1978 (ELECTION)
Rowling lost to Muldoon 1981 (ELECTION)
Rowling lost leader challenge to David Lange
Muldoon lost to Lange 1984 (ELECTION)
Jim McLay took over from Muldoon
McLay lost leader challenge to Jim Bolger
Bolger lost to Lange 1987 (ELECTION)
Lange stood down for Geoffrey Palmer
Palmer lost leader challenge to Mike Moore
Moore lost to Bolger 1990 (ELECTION)
Bolger lost to Jenny Shipley
Shipley lost to Helen Clark 1999 (ELECTION)
Shipley lost leader challenge to Bill English
English lost to Clark 2002 (ELECTION)
English lost leader challenge to Don Brash
Brash lost to Clark 2005 (ELECTION)
Brash lost leader challenge to John Key
Clark lost to Key 2008 (ELECTION)
Clark stood down.
Phil Goff became leader
Goff lost to Key 2011 (ELECTION)
Goff lost leader challenge to Shearer
Shearer lost leader challenge to David Cunliffe
Cunliffe lost to Key 2014 (ELECTION)
Cunliffe stood down as leader
David Parker interim leader for several months
Parker lost leader challenge to Andrew Little
Key stood down for English 2016
Little stood down for Jacinda Ardern 2017
Ardern became leader 2017
English lost to Ardern 2017 (ELECTION)
English lost leader challenge to Simon Bridges
Bridges lost leader challenge to Todd Muller
Muller stood down
Judith Collins became leader 2020
Collins lost to Ardern 2020 (ELECTION)
Ardern stood down for Chris Hipkins 2022
Hipkins lost to Chris Luxon 2022 (ELECTION)
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March 9, 2025 1:46pm
- Taieri
  
  English lost to Ardern 2017 (ELECTION)
  ——————
  
  English and National Party won 56 seats
  Ardern and Labour Party won 46 seats
  
  Peters and NZ First won the election with 9 seats.
  
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  March 9, 2025 3:51pm
  - kiwimike
    
    yep
    Peters lied over his utu towards bennett and gave is Jacinda Ardern
    
    Never vote for NZF
    
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    March 10, 2025 8:56pm
goNZ1

just a point on Garner,Soper et al even if you don’t like their opinions, the fact is , they have long standing contacts within the various Parties and if they make some comment I do take note…
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March 9, 2025 2:06pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Health NZ’s accounting fiasco: $28 billion tracked on a single Excel spreadsheet.
“The agency was burning through $130 million per month beyond its income, while its $500 million “savings plan” was deemed completely ineffective.”
Why was this just not stopped? Why is NZ so backwards?
The useless of the most useless in NZ end up in the Public Sector, and no questions are asked. Just spend money – that’s what money is for.

https://centrist.nz/health-nzs-accounting-fiasco-28-billion-tracked-on-a-single-excel-spreadsheet/?
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March 9, 2025 2:25pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Trump’s Trolling. Why and how it works.
Facebook link, hope it works because it is very interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2802051669975938
Looks like you have to be logged in.
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March 9, 2025 2:51pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Don’t do facebook.
  
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  March 9, 2025 4:01pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Sorry Don, can’t help you past that.
    
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    March 9, 2025 6:52pm
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360607943/watch-man-palestinian-flag-climbs-big-ben-tower-refuses-come-down

I believe a Barrett .338 would have been a better solution than a ladder.
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March 9, 2025 3:07pm
MCōs

Four years ago a drug suspect was tortured to death by quite a senior Thai policeman known by the nickname Joe Ferrari, by having plastic bags placed over his head during interrogation until asphyxiation.
Unfortunately for the police the questioning was caught on cctv.
Joe Ferrari said he was trying to find out more info about other drug dealers. Others suggest he was eliciting a bribe of about $100,000NZ
Either way he was sentenced to death, commuted to life imprisonment
He was only a policeman, not a highly paid job, but he owned 47 cars including several Ferrari and lived in a flash Bangkok mansion
Yesterday he ‘died’ in his cell. Suicide according to corrections. Murder according to his family
Neither say the conspiracy theorists. He’s been spirited out of the country in the hearse.
Whatever
It sure is dominating the news over here with reporters talking to everyone involved and cctv footage from everywhere except his cell.
I’m surprised nobody has a camera in the casket
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March 9, 2025 4:49pm
- Don Beckett
  
  A Thai version of Jeffrey Epstein – sort of. 🙂
  
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  March 9, 2025 5:46pm
Jack5

Trump shipping upheaval …

Trump’s executive order on shipping, plus the Ships for America Act, and a group of issues to encourage American ships are analysed by Sal Mercogliano, who is followed by some of the seafarers who follow Kiwiblog.

Sal gives ten reasons for the decline of American shipping.

A 53 minute free education on US shipping. Yep, it’s long, but it’s meaty.

He traces its decline back to the end of World War 2, with the handing over to the world of 1136 American ships; open registries; the Marshal Plan which included moving American shipyards overseas; the DC8 and the Boeing 707 hitting passenger ships and inncreasing US railways’ focus on freight which in turn competed with shipping; the Vietnam War keeping old ships on the water; the end of 1936 legislation (Jones Act) that in (not his words) partly subsidised US shipbuilding; etc, etc ….

https://youtu.be/63rWuj2Qu68?si=bIjD56oVCwxY-0be
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March 9, 2025 5:27pm
[email protected]

“Whangārei District Council to hold sudden closed-door fluoridation meeting”.

I use a flouride toothpaste and don’t want to swallow fluoridated water. Your water consumption is highly variable so the amount of flouride you ingest depends on your water intake, not what is required to prevent tooth decay.

It is very difficult to be imprisoned in New Zealand. I can’t see councilors and the mayor of Whangarei going to prison because they refuse to flouridate Whangarei’s water supply.
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