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NeverMindTheBollocks

Six previous drunk driving convictions. This time, the offending was aggravated by driving over the speed limit.

39 previous convictions for offences including violence, drugs, and dishonesty.

Robinson was sentenced to six months supervision, with three months of community detention, along with an 8pm-6am curfew. Despite working as a builder, he claimed that he was unable to do community work for health reasons.

In my view, Robinson should have been sent to prison for a short period – perhaps a month. A short, sharp shock might, just might, cause him to reflect on his poor decision making.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/559093/judge-rejects-nelson-man-s-emergency-excuse-for-driving-while-drunk-for-the-seventh-time
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April 27, 2025 8:01am
- Flossie
  
  I agree. However if his “poor health” reason is sufficient to excuse him from community work it will almost certainly allow him to claim Home Detention. Sadly that seems to be the way it works.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:25am
Cassandra

Prof Robert McCulloch investigated TV One: “There is no place in a nation for a State Broadcaster to insult the views of religious people as being “antiquated” and “patriarchal”. Who is One News to play God? It should be defunded and wound up. One News serves no social purpose, other than to create division and unpleasantness in New Zealand society with its stupid “investigations” into nothing.”

TV one put a lot of effort into investigating the Destiny Church and found that its culture was pretty much that of Islam and the Catholic Church ie intolerant of homosexuality and dominated by men. I’m not too sure that the Catholic Church is intolerant of homosexuality because someone has concluded that half the cardinals are gay but Islam makes Destiny look positively liberal.

McCulloch thinks that TVNZ steers clear of criticising Islam because it fears the consequences and I’m quite confident he’s right. Charlie Hedbo. He’s also right that it should be wound up. Waste of taxpayers’ money.
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April 27, 2025 8:01am
- Scott
  
  Cassandra – spot on. TVNZ does create division and unpleasantness and should be sold in my opinion. There is no benefit for taxpayers to prop up this partisan enterprise.
  
  We all still remember their slavish adherence to Jacinda and their refusal to criticise her on anything.
  Two things stand out for me:
  – Jacinda announces no more oil and gas exploration. No problem from our state broadcaster.
  – Jacinda gets up on a Tuesday and announces there is one covid case in NZ and because of this every NZer is under virtual house arrest and must stay home for the foreseeable future! No problem says our state media!
  
  Given their partisan incompetence what is the case for continuing to prop them up with taxpayer dollars?
  
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  April 27, 2025 8:16am
- Cassandra
  
  I add that TVNZ’s bias is not solely the result of any fear of terrorism. Much of it aligns with the Green/left approach, a vehicle for some very weird politics. How a lefty can promote LGBTQ at the same time as Hamas strikes me as strange.
  
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  April 27, 2025 8:16am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    I think the left being pro Muslim is mantra, they feature high on the woke grievance cascade so hence get total support. Straight Christian white men are at the bottom.
    An insane way to view the world.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:22am
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    I think the Left’s alignment with Islam is largely for political gain (in the UK, at least).
    
    The cognitive dissonance of supporting LGBT++Islamists must take some serious self-control/delusion. Eventually however, the former will have to be dropped to placate the latter.
    
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    April 27, 2025 11:57am
  - AitchW
    
    I’ve long thought that a Green/left ideology makes the subject lose sight of normal human decencies.
    The goal becomes so important, so all consuming that the end not only justifies the means, it actually compels the means.
    This explains anti oil zealots gluing themselves to the road with no thought to the consequences for people heading to important or even vital appointments.
    It explains doxing small business people for simply voicing an opinion, potentially causing the destruction of their livelihood.
    And it explains how they can be fooled into believing that Hamas is the victim and why they wear keffiyehs and abuse Jewish people simply going about their daily business.
    The zealotry is magnified and ramped up in Green/lefty echo chambers like the Standard and the Daily Blog where dissenting voices are shouted down or banned.
    
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    April 27, 2025 2:03pm
- artemisia
  
  Maybe TVNZ, or taxpayer funded media, could take a good look at the fiscal input to solo parent households with no liable parent/s named.
  
  I remember Paula Bennett referring to men who father children in multiple households as ‘feral’. These days, they are technically liable for child support, but if they are not named they can slide under the radar while taxpayers pay income and other subsidies to the households …
  
  Anecdotally also hear of quietly polygamous groups that oversee multiple households but for ideological reasons. Antiquated, patriarchal? Taxpayer funded? Probably. Unless liable parents are named, who knows.
  
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  April 27, 2025 8:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Agreed – no name no pay !
    They will say of course they do not know who made them pregnent – could be one of any, or many, or name anybody, assuming that person was a man, and not a surrogate !
    
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    April 27, 2025 8:58am
    - Gravelroad
      
      A few years ago a young woman I know refused to name the father of her baby.
      She knew who it was but had fallen out with him and didn’t want him to have anything to do with the child.
      She didn’t want the bother of having to co-operate with visits to allow the father access to the baby then, or in the future, because she didn’t want to see him.
      This occurred around the time that the idea of not having to name a child in order to obtain a taxpayer funded benefit came in. So the father, whether he liked it or not, had less opportunity to see his child.
      Worked for her.
      
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      April 27, 2025 9:44am
      - pdm
        
        Gravel did she and her family (ie parents) support her financially?
        
        Or was she on the DPB or whatever it is called these days?
        
        If the latter then surely she had an obligation to taxpayers to name the father so he would contribute financially in some way.
        
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        April 27, 2025 10:10am
      - Ehlana
        
        If the welfare of the child was a concern, we would insist on knowing (and confirming by DNA test, if requested) the name of the father. Not only does the father have a moral and financial responsibility for the child, but the health of the father and his family is relevant to the likely future health of the child.
        
        It would also be nice if we could establish a limit on taxpayer beneficence. Say, a maximum of 3 live births per parent and then we offer continuing support on condition of permanent birth control measures only.
        
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        April 27, 2025 5:58pm
    - artemisia
      
      It used to be a benny reduction, not no benny. Still a penalty though. I think not naming the liable parent once might get a pass. But a one time pass.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:23am
    - GJM
      
      And require a DNA test. Not the first time of the wrong father being named. No DNA match, not the father, no bennie, try again.
      
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      April 27, 2025 3:10pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Paulus, only until they have a second child. Then they want to come clean about the fatherhood so they can each take a kid, bingo, both parents get social housing and full benefits and zero responsibilities to the poor bastard in Sth Auckland who is working two jobs to pay his mortgage while also carrying a bunch of ne’er do wells.
      
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      May 23, 2025 2:04pm
- Rusty
  
  @Cassandra,
  I think Pope Francis supported gay marriages, not sure if he supported transgenderism.
  
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  April 27, 2025 9:01am
  - kiwimike
    
    He certainly protected Homosexual priests and Paedos
    
    apart from all the other non catholic stuff
    He’s in hell….
    
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    April 27, 2025 12:40pm
- Mike
  
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  Are there any Islamic groups in NZ with records of abuse similar to some of the Christian churches? Or are you suggesting that TVNZ investigate a few Muslims anyway?
  
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  April 27, 2025 9:14am
  - rouppe
    
    Are there any complainants of Islamic groups that still have their heads attached to their bodies?
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:11am
    - Mike
      
      I am unaware of any beheadings by NZ Islamic groups.
      
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      April 27, 2025 11:59am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Any stabbings or honour killings?
        
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        April 27, 2025 2:18pm
- Nukuleka
  
  My gosh, that’s an interesting statement Cassandra: ‘because someone has concluded that half the cardinals are gay’. Could you elucidate for us just who this ‘someone’ is, in what publication this was published and upon what research and analysis the result was based. Or was it simply an assertion based on the type of anti- Catholic prejudice that regularly features on KB, fuelled by ignorance and curmudgeonly malevolence?
  
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  April 27, 2025 9:36am
  - Cassandra
    
    No, it was one of the conservative cardinals, reported in the Telegraph. I’ll go hunting for the detail. Don’t read too much into it, Francis used to refer to “too many faggots”.
    
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    April 27, 2025 9:55am
    - Cassandra
      
      It was The Times, an article by Tom Kington, published in 2019 and referred to a few days ago. But a correction, that author actually said that half the priests in the Vatican are gay. I think it’s widely acknowledged that some cardinals are. Most are celibate.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:05am
      - alwyn.a
        
        “Most are celibate”
        There are 252 Cardinals at the moment. Only 135 are eligible to vote in the Papal election which implies that there are 117 who are over the age of 80.
        Why am I not surprised that most of the Cardinals are celibate?
        
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        April 27, 2025 10:34am
  - kiwimike
    
    alright only 24%
    it’s just math.
    
    they are queer and have a whole ecosystem around them..
    
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    April 27, 2025 12:42pm
- Taieri
  
  someone has concluded that half the cardinals are gay
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  Who is the said “someone” ?
  And, “concluded” on what basis?
  
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  April 27, 2025 9:52am
  - Cassandra
    
    See above. The late pope thought there were too many gays in the priesthood.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:06am
    - Taieri
      
      That was not evident in your post that I was replying to.
      Anyway, what does it mean “too many”. How many is acceptable and when such number becomes unacceptable?
      
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      April 27, 2025 12:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        None are acceptable – a few are tolerated, those who do not act on their same sex attraction. The ones that do are contradicting their vows & put themselves in judgement, nd causing major issues for the Church.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:22pm
  - Cassandra
    
    There is too much frociaggine in Italian seminaries,” the leading Italian papers quoted Pope Francis as having said.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:20am
  - Colville
    
    Having gay priests really isn’t a issue is it? Assuming they fuck adults.
    It’s the massive amount of pedo priest predators who have been protected and relocated by the church who worry me.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:47am
    - AitchW
      
      Priests ain’t supposed to fuck anybody, they’ve taken a vow of celibacy. Maybe one day the Catholic Church will get into the real world, surely a happily married priest has a more balanced view of the world than a frustrated celibate one. But that’s another discussion!
      Assuming that priests adhere to their vow of celibacy it really doesn’t matter if they’re straight, gay, or anything in between?
      
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      April 27, 2025 11:46am
    - Jake Dee
      
      It’s problem if the organization is predominantly homosexual and a 50% homosexual organization is massively homosexual.
      Once members within the hierarchy are seen as possible sexual partners they will behave in different ways than if they aren’t.
      Who gets promoted? Who gets the plum jobs who gets disciplined? Who gets favors?
      Will it be Jimmy Sweetcheeks or Johnny Ugly ?
      Sexual rivalry and jealously is probably the fastest way to tear an organization apart.
      
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      April 27, 2025 7:14pm
- PurplePen
  
  Yet, why does society continue to tolerate male-dominated organisations such as some religions. How is it that religions can get away with saying to their people all sorts of instruction that the general public and any secular organisation is not allowed to. After all, each religion is merely the invention of some random man, in each case decades or centuries ago. None of what they say based on any facts.
  
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  April 27, 2025 10:27am
  - AitchW
    
    Because faith often Trumps logic. Allahuh Akbar and all that…
    
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    April 27, 2025 11:47am
  - Taieri
    
    each religion is merely the invention of some random man
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    Each religion is merely an attempt to explain the meaning of life and to give it a certain direction and a way to organize the society. Before the onset of political parties it was also a way of preventing chaos and anarchy.
    
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    April 27, 2025 12:39pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      And it used to be beneficial to have an afterlife to convince young men to sacrifice themselves in battle for the good of the tribe/nation. Religions that did this tended to conquer and spread their genes faster and further. It’s a an evolutionarily powerfully psychological tendency that sees those with strong martial religious belief more likely to win out by murdering those without such beliefs in warfare. Eg Aesir following Vikings smacking over northern Europe or Mohammed following Moors smacking over southern Europe.
      
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      April 27, 2025 4:56pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    They exist because they work.
    The Catholic church specifically has existed for longer than any nation on earth today. All male groups can go places and do things that mixed or all female groups just can’t and celibate priests, monks and mystics have existed in every culture and for as long as anyone can tell.
    It is the modern Liberal mind that thinks it has escaped from history and reality.
    It hasn’t.
    
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    April 27, 2025 7:20pm
- pb
  
  Media and lefties ally in their hatred of anything Catholic. Coverage of the Pope has been propagandised and slanderized since forever in order to bring it down. One might equally take Francis’s words and cast him as a hard right, especially his more recent and strident unreported criticism of Israel’s war on Gaza, or if complaining about too many fags in the church. All out of media is lies.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:11am
  - AitchW
    
    Yet the Koran promotes child abuse and the media won’t touch it. The media slam the Christian churches with alacrity but won’t go near Islam.
    Who do they not want to offend?
    
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    April 27, 2025 3:17pm
- Damocles11
  
  McCulloch stated that Catholicism does not have one single ordained woman priest. As to the Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality, your point about the sexuality of half of the priests only serves to point out a gross contradiction between the doctrine and expectations of the Church of it’s ‘flock’ and what it tolerates amongst it’s own priesthood. Homosexuality is most definitely considered by the church to be a grave sin.
  I don’t believe McCulloch set out to attack any one religion over another. Rather, he is making the point that small sects like Destiny and ‘the Two by Twos’ are sitting ducks for attacks by an MSM that doesn’t have the guts to level the exact same criticisms at the established ‘respectable’ religions.
  It seems to me that it is a quirk of human nature that people will see their own mainstream religion (which invariably began as a small cult) as perfectly respectable, while some new embryonic religion is a ‘weird cult). The MSM understand this and therefore feel emboldened to go after the groups that don’t enjoy strong public support.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:45am
  - AitchW
    
    I believe that homosexuality is ok, it’s homosexual activity that’s a sin.
    Shades of Bill Clinton and Miss Lewinsky I know.
    
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    April 27, 2025 3:19pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      It’s a distinction that most people chose not to see.
      A half naked man waving a rainbow flag is seen as authentic, a man who prefers the company of men but doesn’t let his genitals rule his life is seen as in denial of his “True Self”.
      
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      April 27, 2025 7:25pm
Chuck Bird

This video by Jordan Peterson on low IQ is interesting. I have read comments on it and although it is not 100% accurate about the Army tests, it is roughly accurate.

There are some jobs that require IQ tests. I think this should be requited for our MPs. They would not be ineligible with a low IQ but there results would be made public. I doubt is any MPs from the right would have a low IQ. There probably would not be any in Labour. However, I think we would find some in the Greens and Te Pāti Māori.

Jordan Peterson – What Kind Of Job Fits Your IQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2mxdrTP-os
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April 27, 2025 8:03am
- Pavel
  
  What do you call an incompetent lawyer? Your honour. If you cant make it in the real world you go into public service. As a result the public service does not attract the best and brightest. Those with high iqs get on with life and build their empires while those who don’t run for politics or major of Wellington or go work for the state. There are a few exceptions but not many.
  
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  April 27, 2025 8:20am
- CJames
  
  One does not have to work long with STEM doctorates to know that much of academia is a sheltered workshop for the gifted. They may have exceedingly high IQs, but many have little or no interpersonal skills. The problem with a bald number like IQ is it don’t tell you much about the person’s relationship skills, empathy or social ability. That can be a lot more important for work as MP. How do they relate to their constituents? Can they represent them and their concerns.
  For MPs, the more important factor is what have they done outside school/ university/ political party organisations? A lot currently in the House have no knowledge of the real world – look at their CVs. That is why they can’t tell us of their successes – they haven’t any. So they try to invent hardship or identity politics to put them higher up the victimhood index.
  
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  April 27, 2025 8:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am not suggesting that those with high IQs would make good MPs but that those with low IQs are not suited for the job of MPs.
    
    The problem of people with low IQs relates to more than just MPs. Many are unemployable. How should they be treated? I think with compassion. The left disagrees. They insist that those of very low IQ get the minimum wage, which means they are unemployed.
    
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    April 27, 2025 8:41am
    - CJames
      
      Your reply is a significant change from your original premise. But yes, I agree with your current point. The worst thing the Labour Party did to the intellectually handicapped of this country was make their employers pay minimum wage. As sure as night follows day, all the sheltered workshops closed. Not even an unpredictable occurence. So the people that were in them enjoying their menial jobs and employment now wander the streets. Who benefitted from that change? Certainly not those workers.
      On a slightly related note, I see the Babylon Bee is advocating IQ tests for the Supremes. https://babylonbee.com/news/support-grows-for-requiring-supreme-court-justices-to-pass-cognitive-tests
      Doesn’t the
      
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      April 27, 2025 9:07am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I doubt that any judges would be below average IQ, unlike Green and Te Pati Māori MPs.
        
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        April 27, 2025 10:07am
      - R
        
        All sheltered workshops closed…..another success story from past Labour governments
        
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        April 27, 2025 10:40am
      - AitchW
        
        Yet another example of faith (ideology) trumping logic!
        
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        April 27, 2025 11:48am
    - artemisia
      
      I have mentioned here before, rellies in Melbourne on the dole were required to do 15 hours a week voluntary work, under supervision. One worked at a large local council plant nursery. Many of the ‘volunteers’ were really not employable but enjoyed their job and became very good. Repetitive activities mostly, that would bore others to sobs.
      
      I’d like to see a pilot or two here.
      
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      April 27, 2025 9:18am
      - Gravelroad
        
        There were two “sheltered workshops” here just a few years ago.
        One involved propagating plants for sale.
        The other was making floor rugs out of carpet remnants – for sale.
        Both were closely supervised by suitable adults.
        Then the government of the day, and possibly union zealots, decreed that this activity was unsuitable and “demeaning” for the IHC people involved – so they were shut down.
        Publicity at the time indicated that those involved with these were heartbroken that their “workplaces” had gone and couldn’t understand what they had done wrong.
        The authorities said the workers there had to be assimilated into “real jobs in the community” and be paid “real wages”. Which was easier said than done.
        Many of the people, young and old, who were shut out of their “jobs” at the workshops, lost the independence and comradeship they had come to value.
        But, government knows best, eh.
        
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        April 27, 2025 9:57am
      - rouppe
        
        Pretty sure they did “work for the dole” programmes maybe in the 90’s.
        
        Discontinued for the usual reasons
        * loud complaints from left wing groups calling it slave labour
        * many didn’t turn up and there were no sanctions
        
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        April 27, 2025 10:17am
      - Ra Henare
        
        One significant change occurred in 1990 when the Community Wage was introduced. This was essentially a “work-for-the-dole” scheme where unemployed people could be compelled to undertake work in their community for an additional payment of $21 a week.
        
        One of the side benefits of this scheme(personal observation) was it gave unemployed a boost in confidence.
        One participant, I knew, couldn’t get a job (low self esteme) after 6 months helping out in a supportive environment. Went out(boosted confidence) got herself a real job and very (deservedly) proud of her accomplishment.
        
        The Labour/unions killed the scheme. The BS slogan was that it took jobs away from workers.
        NO IT FKING DIDNT!
        
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        April 27, 2025 3:22pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Your view of academia is outdated. Many of today’s STEM academics are excellent communicators and self-promoters who are good at persuasion. They have to be, because academia is so darn competitive. STEM academics compete fiercely for jobs, for research contracts, and for research students.
    
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    April 27, 2025 8:43am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Grants will flow if climate change and/or diversity studies are mentioned
      
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      April 27, 2025 11:09am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        There is a LOT of competition for those grants, even if you’re working on climate change. Less than 10 % of applications to the Marsden Fund get funded.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:49pm
    - CJames
      
      I think cmm answered it downthread. The best and brightest get out as soon as they can. They get out and go into industry. That is where the cutting edge, intellectual stimulation and the money is. Universities are apparently full of departmental squabbling, wokery and backstabbing. Why employ a number of Uni refugees.
      However, I will grant you that some are very good communicators. How many are people who have made their mark outside, then gone back in to do research on a subject that really interested them? I know a number like that, or are on the fringes.
      
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      April 27, 2025 12:21pm
      - Taieri
        
        Universities are apparently full of departmental squabbling, wokery and backstabbing.
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        Just as is the industry. And any other human undertaking.
        
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        April 27, 2025 12:42pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      “The reason that university politics is so vicious is because stakes are so small.” Henry Kissinger
      
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      April 27, 2025 4:58pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Well put CJames.
    The MPs in our House of Representatives are chosen by the parties to represent the parties best interests, not ours.
    
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    April 27, 2025 9:01am
    - Quail
      
      Absolutely right
      Because of MMP. there is no ability to vote against a criminal , a pedophile , or just a grossly incompetent ( among other failings) individual candidate.
      Parties do it all for the voters! And they pick their ministers.
      
      MMP is a democratic disaster !
      
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      April 27, 2025 11:33am
  - artemisia
    
    Agree about STEM grads, also other technical staff. However, there is a critical role for those managing them in the workplace. Basically value expertise and interpret between parties, including the business.
    
    Once, when I managed a large technical group, two highly qualified and experienced folk were daggers drawn, no agreement on the horizon. Part tech, part boundaries. I called them to my office, shut the door. After a long duologue, taking loudly right past each other, tension slowly began to fade. After an hour, agreement reached, hands shaken. I had said not one word.
    
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    April 27, 2025 9:11am
  - JackRabbit
    
    The problem with a bald number like IQ is it don’t tell you much about the person’s relationship skills, empathy or social ability.
    
    CJ,
    
    A agree. Some of the world’s worst tyrants had/have high IQs. Someone can have a high IQ, and be a total narcissist.
    
    Records of IQs of tyrant in the NAZI regime were very high.
    
    IQ is about pattern recognition, not ethics.
    
    Tests for humility, lie detector tests, random drug tests, and a proven history in successfully running a business or holding down a successful career in a non govt, real trade business would be a good start.
    
    In order to loyally represent your electorate, you have to have humility in spades.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:28am
    - Paulus
      
      How do you expect Humility to be available – this is Aotearoa !
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:46am
      - JackRabbit
        
        New Zealand = Heaven. Looking forward to better times.
        
        Aotearoa = Hell. Dragging everyone back to primitive barbaric tribal ways.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:43pm
    - Taieri
      
      Records of IQs of tyrant in the NAZI regime were very high
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      And how were their IQs established?
      Considering that the father of IQ testing William (Wilhelm) Stern was chucked out of the University of Hamburg in 1934…
      
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      April 27, 2025 1:23pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        At the Nuremberg trials several Nazi leaders achieved genius-level scores on an IQ test. Highest result was 143!
        
        https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/09/15/nuremberg-trials-several-nazi-leaders-achieved-genius-level-scores-iq-test-highest-result-143/
        
        Fauci has a very high IQ, yet he is responsible for very significant deaths and disablement.
        
        High IQ, are not always coupled with high responsibility and impeccable ethics. IQ is a potential, mostly with complex pattern matching.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:53pm
  - cmm
    
    “One does not have to work long with STEM doctorates to know that much of academia is a sheltered workshop for the gifted”
    
    I would say that most of the really gifted STEM people work in industry.
    
    There was a time when academia was at the forefront of STEM, but these days the really important research is mainly coming from industry.
    
    Of course STEM is a very wide field. Particle physics etc is more academic but almost all the engineering and technology development is happening far away from academia.
    
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    April 27, 2025 11:10am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      “I would say that most of the really gifted STEM people work in industry”
      
      And you evidence for that is …?
      
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      April 27, 2025 1:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        There aren’t a lot of jobs available in the uni. If these folk want to use the skills they have acquired, they likely end up in the private sector ….
        
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        April 27, 2025 2:09pm
  - CJames
    
    On a related subject, here is research on IQ vrs college majors
    https://randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/
    Interesting that the more female dominated a major is, the lower the average IQ.
    Read into that what you will.
    
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    April 27, 2025 12:32pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Interesting. CJ.
      
      In my 20s I was sent for IQ testing by RNZAF prior to being accepted to a computer programming job.
      Result 134.
      
      As many here will attest, that doesn’t make me any smarter than most KB commenters..chortle..
      
      What it did give me was a tendency to ask why and look at an alternative view when trying to understand any situation/problem.
      Critical thinking?
      
      Hence, me not accepting propaganda/Media releases/Government proclamations at face value.
      
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      April 27, 2025 4:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think we would find some in the Greens and Te Pāti Māori.
  
  Yet, the MPs in TMP have managed to grab this coalition Government full of high IQ folk by the short & curlies.
  
  Do not underestimate the intelligence of those whose politics you abhor.
  
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  April 27, 2025 9:14am
  - AitchW
    
    What’s the old saying? Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience….
    This is why it’s nigh on impossible to have a reasoned debate with Greens, TMP or Labour before they haul out all the old epithets.
    
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    April 27, 2025 9:19am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    They would not be there if it were not for the racist Maori seats.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:11am
    - Colville
      
      No way to know that.
      Those same votes would go to other parties who may have those same people standing.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We have had Maori Seats since 1867!
      
      For decades they all went to Labour.
      
      There has been some thought/planning/strategy/intelligence at play in changing most Maori seats from Labour to TMP.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:50am
      - pdm
        
        Maggy – they did that with NZFirst back in 1996 (I think).
        
        It did not last long before it blew its guts and they were back with Labour.
        
        Could the same happen next election?
        
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        April 27, 2025 11:15am
  - MCōs
    
    ‘Do not underestimate the intelligence of those whose politics you abhor.’
    A common mistake
    And vice versa
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:11am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes. A bad plan, enacted, will often beat a good plan still in development.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:18am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – intelligence or tactical nous?
    
    They are making the PM look a mug.
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:27am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      intelligence or tactical nous?
      
      What’s the difference?
      
      I mean.. what is intelligence/IQ?
      
      As far as I’m concerned, it’s not the ability to score highly in a psychometric test.
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:36am
      - pdm
        
        I guess I would put it this way Maggy.
        
        1. Rawiri, Debbie & co struggle to put together coherent questions in the house.
        2. Tactically they are all over PM Luxon and National in particular as well as having conned Hipkins into appearing to support some of their wildest bottom line future policy programmes.
        
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        April 27, 2025 11:17am
    - R
      
      They are showing just how unintelligent they, and their supporters actually are. This includes many in the media
      
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      April 27, 2025 10:46am
    - kiwimike
      
      Luxon is a mug, a weak mug.
      I’m ashamed of him.
      
      when TMP didn’t turn up they should have had their pay stopped and procedures started to ban them from parliament.
      
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      April 27, 2025 12:53pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        NZF won all Māori seats after Peter’s split away from Nats, in fact I think Peter’s his self has held a Māori seat and may have even been when he was in the Nats, I think the seat was called Hanua or something like that
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:11pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh here we go again, when the privilege committee sits, then party leaders, the PM and the speaker have absolutely nothing to do with it, anyone suggesting otherwise is suggesting dictatorship
        
        Rubbish the committee if you wish, but Collins is the chairman, and Peter’s is a member of that committee
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:14pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Hunua was a general seat, not a Maori seat.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:28pm
      - R
        
        The Prime Minister doesn’t have the authority to make such a move; much as he may well want to. Only the electorate voters can take such a step, the above IQ debate may highlight the electorate IQ next election.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:29pm
      - AitchW
        
        Kiwimike, that’s
        not Luxon’s responsibility. That’s up to the speaker.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @G the Giant..
        
        Txs, you are correct – NZF gained all the Maori seats in 1996 for one term.
        
        Since the Labour Party first came to power in 1935, however, it has dominated the Māori electorates. For a long period this dominance owed much to Labour’s alliance with the Rātana Church, although the Rātana influence has diminished in recent times. In the 1993 election, however, the new New Zealand First party, led by Winston Peters – who himself held the general seat of Tauranga from 1984 to 2005 – gained the Northern Māori seat (electing Tau Henare to Parliament), and in the 1996 election New Zealand First captured all the Māori electorates for one electoral term. Labour regained the electorates in the following election in the 1999 election
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_electorates
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        Not even the speakers job. It’s up to the privileges committee in their next meeting to come up with a recommendation for the house to then decide on.
        
        I think it is becoming more and more obvious that people have little idea what the role of the speaker is and just what his powers are and aren’t, and the rules he has to follow.
        
        They aren’t going to get kicked out of parliament, they aren’t going to get banned. The recommendation for Henare was that he apologise. I expect the committee will recommend the same for the Māori party members.
        
        Ferris, who also decided to not go to the committee investigation into his actions was also only recommended to apologise.
        
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        April 27, 2025 1:50pm
      - pdm
        
        G. Hunua was Peter’s first general seat.
        
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        April 27, 2025 3:13pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Agree Maggy. And many confuse rat cunning with intelligence!
    
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    April 27, 2025 1:08pm
- pdm
  
  Chuck – high IQ’s do not necessarily relate to competence or even common sense.
  
  Back in the early 80’s while at a BNZ branch we employed the Dux of a well known and well regarded Boys High School. He was probably 18 and headed for the Banks Head Office on a Scholarship or similar but, first they wanted him to have 6 months of branch experience.
  
  He was hopeless because he had no practical awareness and required constant supervision for his day to day duties.
  
  Having said that he was a hell of a nice kid, just out of his depth in a practical sense.
  
  I transferred out of the branch before his 6 months was up and heard about a year later that at 19 he took his own life.
  
  I have no idea why but, the above probably gives a good indication.
  
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  April 27, 2025 10:20am
  - Paulus
    
    How so very sad !
    
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    April 27, 2025 10:48am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I agree about high intelligence. However, someone with low intelligence would not be an MP, let alone leader of a party.
    
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    April 27, 2025 2:49pm
- Michael Sommerville
  
  I have a wise friend who reminds me that, by definition, 50% of the population is below average intelligence.
  
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  April 27, 2025 10:58am
  - cmm
    
    50% of the population is below median intelligence.
    
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    April 27, 2025 11:19am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I recall from childhood that the Federation of Labour, led as it was by rabid knuckle dragging SUP goons, at one time had the stated aim of raising all workers wages to above average, or words to that effect, something so mathematically dumb that it stuck in my pre-teen memory.
    
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    April 27, 2025 5:05pm
- Master Mariner
  
  “I think this should be requited for our MPs. They would not be ineligible with a low IQ but there results would be made public.”
  
  Nope, What is more telling is a psychometric test.
  I have been banging on about it here and should be compulsory for MP’s etc and made public.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometrics
  
  I can not be promoted too Master until I have had one. It is a great tool and has allowed me to integrate with all nationalities onboard and too identify issues early on. I am 100% convinced in its effectiveness.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:20am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Peterson isn’t just talking intelligence in the video he’s also using his other favorite personality metrics in his discussion”conscientiousness, “”stress tolerance,” yada yada. Also IQ is only measuring certain aspects of intelligence. It’s not always a helpful metric.
  
  In general terms he makes some sense in terms of certain of those attributes being best in certain situations.
  It’s way too reductive to start pointing at certain parties and judging IQ, that’s not what the video is about.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:49am
- pb
  
  The correlation between IQ test takers and sandal wearing losers is off the charts.
  
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  April 27, 2025 4:16pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Govt policy requires NZTA to consider tolling for all new Roads of National Significance.

Presumably that applies to the associated cycleways also. What’s sauce for the goose, and all that.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2025/04/24/tolling-an-option-for-91m-mill-road-project-bishop/
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April 27, 2025 8:07am
- Southern Raider
  
  Great idea. I still don’t understand how the original toll road in Tauranga still exists. It’s about a 2km very average quality road that doesn’t achieve much
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:08am
- OlderChas
  
  But cycles have no registration plate to identify them by for the tolling cameras. And even if they did, cyclist sees cameras ahead, lifts bike into road (if lifting even needed!), rides past the camera on the road then reverts to cycle track when free to do so.
  Way too hard for cyclepath addicts to sort out.
  
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  April 27, 2025 1:12pm
  - artemisia
    
    Could be like bus conductors, random checkpoints and instant fines.
    
    I know, never going to happen but cost of cycleways per user is likely considerably more than road cost per user.
    
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    April 27, 2025 1:57pm
    - pdm
      
      They could toll the off road cycle ways. Big fence, big gate and pay to get through.
      
      Taieri this would work for walkers too.
      
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      April 27, 2025 3:16pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Bring back turnpikes – I like it!
        
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        April 27, 2025 5:16pm
- Taieri
  
  Presumably that applies to the associated cycleways also
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  It should also apply to pedestrians.
  
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  April 27, 2025 1:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No pedestrians on motorways and cycleways – you’d have to be nuts!
    
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    April 27, 2025 5:15pm
KH

IQ would have to be the worst test.
High IQ does not prevent someone from being an incompetent a***hole.
Sometimes those things even run all together.
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April 27, 2025 8:40am
- Paulus
  
  Chippy is accepted to have a high IQ so don’t talk about him like that !
  
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  April 27, 2025 10:51am
Yvette

Early Super for Māori, or better health for all?
Calls for Māori to receive superannuation at an earlier age hint at the limitations of our current approach to health, Rob Campbell writes in Newsroom.

Fact check? – What causes Maori to die at an earlier average age?

Why is the comparison between Maori and “Pakeha’, seven years, rather than with Asians who last roughly twice that age difference compared to Maori?
How are you going to define Maori, and if genetics are involved is it a clean-cut “either/or”, and will it mean earlier American history like cotton plantation terms: half caste, quarter and so on?
And what did Kiri Allen’s experience of a 13 percent chance of surviving cancer as a Maori wahine show when she is now cancer clear.

And what of dis-ease causes, when emotion has quite a bit to do with body response and is health not directly that much to do with any Maori malaise?
Does living in 1840 rather than 2025 have anything to do with it or telling each Maori child soon and they can korero that they are victims of colonisation and oppression – and mentally colonise then again.
And will Maori cultural incursion and over-reach lower all our expectations, to depress life expectancy of non-Maori too?
And how is your blood pressure having read thus far?
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April 27, 2025 9:07am
- surfing
  
  “And what did Kiri Allen’s experience of a 13 percent chance of surviving cancer as a Maori wahine show when she is now cancer clear.”
  
  It shows she could be bothered turning up to appointments and procedures.
  
  Maori medical no shows are a huge problem. Guilty white liberals can’t wrap their heads around addressing that issue! Free taxis don’t work. Free KFC either.
  
  Maybe the only way you can make Maori turn up, is to send the police to arrest people and bring them into the hospital or appointment.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:12am
  - Yvette
    
    Surfing, my next comment may confirm that I have become a racist.
    That conclusion, the racist remark, I think is to do with a concept I had of truth, and for example: the Ardern Labour-Led Government raising Maori up, echoing 1930s Germany, to a level of Aryan Exceptionalism, was I consider: not true when facts tell that the tail end of Maori are in almost all the lower social demography or statistics.
    
    Or TVNZ’s selective Maori usage is in itself racist, and has also now become so sloppy as to mispronounce the language, and so glib as to neither help those learning the language nor normalise it, and is an affront those who are fluent, by having a few phrases in Maori and then plunge back into English again for the majority of an item, that is to actually inform someone who may not understand it.
    
    So that too is basically untrue in the sense that the lie grates on me, as does the war dance haka used 24/7 and war never follows it, so it too is rather meaninglessly untruthful with such wrongly culturally appropriated common use. So that all these things tend to be observed with a certain instinctive cringe value or embarrassment for Maori.
    
    Sort of crept up on me, like Pavlov’s Maori dog. “They” have moulded (Maoried) me this way, just as the oft quoted mantra “Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics …”, Kelvin Davis [1] has been heard so often and in so many ways that many believe it, and become the negative side of the argument (above) that makes my non-believing racism.
    
    So back to the “racist” comment that this foreshadows.
    Why not publicise that “Health services are there for Maori, as they are for all non-Maori, except shy Pacifika – come and get them, OR DIE.
    Like covid injections (before everyone decided they were indeed useless?) – HERE THEY ARE, COME AND GET THIS STUFF, or see how the virus cuts down intergenerational abodes, the immunity-compromised and with other comorbilities – like in Italy, France and Hawaiians and Island People decimated or worse in Los Angeles. Anyhow, COME GET IT – WERE YOU NOT ONCE WARRIORS?
    OK: cringe …
    
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    April 27, 2025 3:02pm
    - Yvette
      
      Oops –
      [1] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
      
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      April 27, 2025 3:33pm
  - artemisia
    
    Wonder if there has been analysis on Maori (and other) no shows for health appointments. Should be as all no shows waste a lot of time. Suspect majority will be men, but if so why?
    
    Women are more familiar with health pros, and get used to being poked and prodded when pregnant. Plus more likely to be the ones taking children to the doc.
    
    Or maybe it’s a general shy man thing.
    
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    April 27, 2025 4:33pm
- Notsofast
  
  Thomas Sowell is pretty good on that material.
  
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  April 27, 2025 12:03pm
G152

Watched the funeral and saw Trump didn’t suit up.
And
Where did they get all the chairs?? Looked like there were 100000 at least.
And the blocks of colours.
And the wanderers.
And the singers..
And he wasn’t buried just boxed and shoved into a crypt….
Normal life has resumed
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April 27, 2025 9:09am
- imalwaysright
  
  Trump was wearing a suit and tie.
  Zelensky wasn’t wearing a suit or tie, he’s a diagrace.
  
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  April 27, 2025 11:15am
  - rangitoto
    
    The dress code was black. Trump wore blue. Trump is a disgrace.
    
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    April 27, 2025 2:05pm
    - Ghost
      
      Prince William wore blue as well, as did others. From what I’ve read the dress code was black, Grey or navy blue.
      
      In the photo in this article you will see a few wearing blue.
      
      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-william-sits-away-royals-35123447
      
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      April 27, 2025 2:15pm
      - Ghost
        
        Here is another photo for you, where you can spot the people wearing blue suits, the people wearing grey suits, you can see a man wearing a blue and white outfit. Thre people wearing their military outfits. A person wearing a purple headscarf
        
        https://cbcpnews.net/cbcpnews/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/20250426-popeFrancis-Funeral-StPeterSquare-GoiVillegas-CBCPNews-002.jpeg
        
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        April 27, 2025 4:21pm
      - MCōs
        
        It’s hardly a hill worth dying on
        
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        April 27, 2025 5:22pm
Dr John

Following on the discussion yesterday on the Melbourne ANZAC ceremony disrupted by booing protestors, here’s an excellent opinion [in my view!] on Sky News Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3okYjLSt2g
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April 27, 2025 9:23am
Swifty

Ex-UK MP and father of the head of Scottish Labour calls for the imposition of blasphemy laws in the UK to protect Islam and makes a few threats on the side:

https://x.com/themajorityscot/status/1916218302205989152

What’s worse is that I see a few moves from UK Labour suggesting they’ll go through with it, under the guise of anti-hate speech legislation.
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April 27, 2025 9:56am
Jack5

It ain’t power that’s blowin’ in the wind …

A German word for a Green electricity flaw: dunkelflaute, or “dark stillness.”

Renewable sources generated 47 per cent of Germany’s electricity in the first three months of 2025, down from 56 per cent in the first three months of 2024.

The problem, says the Wall Street Journal, was that February and March in Germany had unusually low wind, and rainfall was light. Solar power was up because of a sunnier March, but this month in Germany usually has short daylight hours. So not up enough.

The description of the conditions: dunkelflaute, which in sound isn’t too far from dumb flakes.

Germany’s new Government plans to build 20 gigawatts of natural-gas fired generation stations over the next five years.

Germany hopes to close its biggest lignite-powered generators by 2030. Yes, lignite. Southland contains enough of this brown coal to provide all of NZ ‘s electricity for four or so centuries.
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April 27, 2025 10:18am
- pb
  
  The Green Electricity (and climate change scam) is about continuing to push manufacturing to slave labour countries. That Germany was a manufacturing nation, and harbourer of the new devil, the moustache man, gives the Globalist financier class extra thrills.
  
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  April 27, 2025 4:21pm
Yvette

Moderator, can you please point to where in kiwiblog comment policy, or other information, it gives the details required to allow for faster appearance of comments? I have looked a few times for this, so it is probably hiding in plain sight.
Thank you.

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April 27, 2025 10:23am
sungsamning

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/no-one-is-above-law-fbi-director-kash/
“No One Is Above the Law”: FBI Director Kash Patel Posts Photo of Judge Dugan Being Led Away in Handcuffs.
FBI Director Kash Patel posted a photo Friday night of the arrest earlier in the day of Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan by FBI agents for helping an illegal alien with a domestic violence case in her courtroom evade arrest by ICE agents last week. Patel captioned the photo, “No one is above the law.” [Its a good start. Many more please. Lets have Perp Walk of The Week, on Fox, and Truth Social.]
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April 27, 2025 10:56am
- Hard Cheese
  
  It would be good to see Donald “there are too many immigrants for due process” Trump and Pam “ICE officers can enter your home without a warrant” Bondi being led away in the same handcuffs
  
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  April 27, 2025 12:40pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Republicans suddenly deciding that the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments of their revered US Constitution don’t apply to them – a Constitution for thee but not for me. Perhaps some of Bondi’s ICE brownshirts will get a reminder of the 4th amendment by way of the 2nd
  
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  April 27, 2025 3:17pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lET2XleD1EE
23 States Endorse NEW AMENDMENT to Keep Outside Money Out of Local Elections.
No local county or state official should ever be allowed to take any money out of county or state they are running in . If running for city , no money from outside said city , county races no one out of county, state reps ,congressmen senators governors should not ever get money out of their respected places and it should be illegal to ask for it.
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April 27, 2025 10:57am
Bridgenag

judging the judges
legal and ethical dimensions on accountability

From comments “Well, it’s even more interesting. Judge Dugan was previously Executive Director at Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, and Catholic Charities has been one of the biggest beneficiaries of the illegal immigrant grift.

Her devotion to (purported but often breached) norms of American jurisprudence may be somewhat less than one can reasonably hope for.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/judging-the-judges?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 27, 2025 11:02am
Flossie

Congratulations to the Auckland Football Club for winning the premiere plate, particularly being their first season.
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April 27, 2025 12:28pm
- greybeard
  
  I agree, fantastic effort.
  And I see the Blues are back to normal after the blip of success last year !
  
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  April 27, 2025 1:48pm
  - pdm
    
    Hard to comprehend some Bllues starting selections. Two wings buggering up the midfield for starters.
    
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    April 27, 2025 3:22pm
Bevan

How is this for an example of media manipulating stories to benefit left wing parties.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-pensioner-loses-158000-after-accidentally-sending-life-savings-to-wrong-account/YGCBIVL5SVB7BDEQIOJ5XDSHCM/

Simple story about a pensioner who transferred money from UK to NZ where the money ended up in the wrong account. Short story, recipient spent most of it, Westpac doesnt admit responsibility.

Pensioner goes to local MP who is fromt he National Party – story has two very short paragraphs.

Manwhile local Labour list MP throws her two bits in resulting in five paragraphs and a large portrait to boot. There is no reason for there to be such a large imbalance in content from each party.

Seriously NZ Herald, you couldnt be more blatant in your promotion of Labour – you thought no one would notice, but we did.
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April 27, 2025 1:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Putting to one side the number of column inches given to the various politicians, I thought it was illegal to spend money obtained in such a manner?
  
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  April 27, 2025 5:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    The guy took seven weeks to notify the bank of the mistake?
    When I make international transfers I check every day until the money turns up, and that’s a lot of money.
    
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    April 27, 2025 5:38pm
  - rouppe
    
    Banking ombudsman office very waffly on this
    
    https://bankomb.org.nz/guides-and-cases/quick-guides/payment-systems/mistaken-payments
    
    But the thrust seems to be, there’s actually no legal obligation to return the money
    
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    April 27, 2025 8:41pm
Swifty

I see Stuff is back to their old tricks, now not a day goes by without at least one article, frequently more, making a meal out of a perceived Trumpian injustice.

And this is in the total absence of any articles whatsoever, that I’ve seen, giving any illumination to the good stuff Trump’s government is delivering or planning to deliver for US citizens.

A couple of other observations.

1. The articles are almost always the work of overseas writers, Stuff staff neither have the will or ability apparently.

2. This comes after what I perceived as a lull in their anti-Trump hit pieces immediately following the election, or at least they were balanced with a few positive stories. Good habits die hard it seems and they’re back to their old ways.

Stuff, as a private concern, are free to publish what they like of course – and at times I’m actually very pleased they do. Their rivers of anti-Trump pieces reveal even more the hypocrisy and latent authoritarianism of the Left, with Bonber Bradbury and many, many other lefties calling for some sort of government intervention to prevent the rumoured Board of Directors shake-up at NZME and change of editorial direction at the Herald etc. They’re happy when private media organisations take a lefty line, they have no complaints then, but object like screaming lunatics when another private media organisation is possibly moving to a more conservative viewpoint.

Then it’s all evil and sinister and must be stopped.

Anyway, just some observations.
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April 27, 2025 2:12pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360667340/truck-carrying-sheep-rolls-sh1-near-balclutha
Sheep Rolls?
I thought Southland was famous for Cheese Rolls ?
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April 27, 2025 2:13pm
Swifty

“Whereas in te ao Māori, [tamariki] are our most vulnerable, most precious taonga, and they deserve the absolute best that we can give them.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/547486/petition-launched-against-horrible-disgusting-and-inedible-school-lunches

Child abuse statistics, Lindsay Mitchell’s recent report, the levels of absentee fathers and numerous other key statistics suggest otherwise – and we need look no further than the statistics for the Chinese in New Zealand, or the Indians to see those families actually walking the talk with respect to treating their kids as precious taonga.

Just to be clear, this is not an anti-Maori hot piece, it is rather to point out the absolute crap being spouted by our so-called Maori community leaders, who are desperately doing everything they can to obscure and divert from the clear evidence that Maori need to step up themselves, and not look to blame others for their failings.
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April 27, 2025 3:04pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The school lunch thing has been politicised to such an extent that it now needs to be withdrawn and reassessed.
  At the moment, it would not matter what was in the lunches, whether they were hot, cold, cheap, expensive, tasty, delivered on time or anything else.
  It has been a godsend for the anti coalition activists who have used every aspect they can to
  undermine it for political gain.
  Unless there is an end to the current agitation, it will continue until the next election – and dopey, ungrateful adults who believe the hype will use it as a valid reason to vote socialist.
  
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  April 27, 2025 6:32pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    It was a government policy item – for whatever reason. They gave the job to Seymour who completely duffed it up. But we all cheer Seymour for duffing up a policy that we disapprove of that was supported by National. Or was it?
    
    And if it wasn’t, why did Luxon et al not just can it and push the Marmite sandwich solution … ? Or not even bother?
    
    Confusing …
    
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    April 27, 2025 6:39pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      While adults are making political capital out of this, the only losers are the children who really need the lunches.
      
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      April 27, 2025 9:24pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        What some children really need is parents who care for them, not losers who cant be bothered making meals.
        
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        April 28, 2025 2:10pm
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A joyous celebration of Filipino culture ended in devastation Saturday, after a speeding SUV plowed into a crowd at Lapu Lapu Day in east Vancouver, killing multiple people and injuring many more.

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