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Simon

Getting rid of Doyle on a Friday afternoon was interesting. International capital have humiliated the left for a long time. Having someone like Doyle in your ranks is an utter humiliation. Maybe capital has gone a little to far.

Could be capital wants to lend any incoming Green Labour govt trillions ( 6 yrs later ++) and want the left start to tidy the house a little.
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September 6, 2025 8:08am
- Wandering Star
  
  “International capital have humiliated the left for a long time. ”
  
  Wrong. International capital and “the left” go hand in hand. Despite the delusions of too many, international capital is anathema to “conservatism” Why? Because international capital benefits from, and requires, a borderless post-national global free market, where there are no “essential identities” (race, religion, clan etc.) and people “buy” their identities via having outwardly “desirable” lifestyles, heavily marketed “must have” products, and so on.
  
  Leftism has been used to clear the ground for profit-making by international capital, by wiping out traditional attitudes and practices that may reduce profit.
  
  In the age of mass consumption, the fewer barriers to profit-making the better. In another time, people didn’t care about “retail therapy” and buying stuff in lieu of any other aim in life. Why do you think there is mass immigration, for example, a policy that is supported and facilitated by all main stream parties, no matter where they nominally sit on the spectrum ? By another name, mass migration is free movement of labour. International capital demands this policy, so they get it. Opposition to this is branded “nativism” and “racism” (both of which “the left” oppose strongly), but this framework benefits international capital.
  
  So, we’ve got this odd situation where our system is an alliance between leftism and big capital. This is why genuine right wing politics (aka “far right”) is the common enemy to these parts of the whole, and they’re freaking out as far right politics gains traction.
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:59am
- I remember when
  
  ‘He’ll be gone by Friday!”
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:02am
Scott

The case of Graham Linehan, like Lucy Connolly, is another case of the UK police being more concerned about policing online speech than they are about fighting actual crime –
“Linehan has said his arrest at Heathrow was related to three posts on X from April.
The first post he wrote: “If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.”
Linehan has been bailed under investigation and has not been charged with an offence.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mx09l5297o.amp

The police in the UK don’t turn up for shoplifting and burglaries in many cases but they had the resources for 5 armed officers to arrest Linehan at the airport!

Two things stand out for me. First the police priorities are so wrong. For many years the police have not been concerned with actual crime and rape gangs and burglaries and knife crimes have just skyrocketed in the UK. Police have lost control. This happened before Labour. Boris Johnson was seemingly unconcerned about police priorities when he was Prime Minister.

Secondly if you can’t debate Trans and whether a man can become a woman then you are not a free people. You are living in a country that is resembling North Korea.

One can only hope this govt will fall. That new sensible voices can be heard in the UK parliament. Voices that value free speech and common sense and the rule of law.
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September 6, 2025 8:11am
- Paulus
  
  From what we hear the UK Government is already collapsing after the resignation of a corrupt Deputy.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:10am
- MCōs
  
  There’s no need to go to the UK or North Korea for draconian prison sentences. This happened in Thailand to a democracy activist the authorities wanted sidelined.
  I read about someone else who was jailed for two years merely for going to a protest.
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  If you go there as a foreigner steer clear of any protest activity. If you’re arrested you’ll get no sympathy from anyone.
  Translation of the tweet below
  “Urgent: Appeals Court reverses decision, sentences Ekkachai Hongkangwan to 21 years in prison for obstructing the royal procession in 2020”
  https://x.com/matichononline/status/1963837082574754045?s=61
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:13am
  - peterwn
    
    And their prisons are far more crappy than NZ prisons.
    
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    September 6, 2025 1:27pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      As in hell on earth “crappy”. You absolutely want to avoid ending up there.
      
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      September 6, 2025 4:23pm
- Wandering Star
  
  “For many years the police have not been concerned with actual crime and rape gangs and burglaries and knife crimes have just skyrocketed in the UK. Police have lost control.”
  
  True. So what is the explanation for a policy of allowing and actively promoting, with full knowledge, the negative impacts of mass immigration, but clamping down hard on anyone who notices the causal relationships and/or criticises the people doing it?
  
  Moreover, this has been happening under both major parties for at least a couple of decades, and has been allowed to get worse. This is not due to incompetence, it is due to malice.
  
  So, what are the native people of the UK supposed to do in the face of a political establishment that holds them in contempt and is enacting a malicious policy program? “Vote harder” next time? We’ve already seem that voting changes nothing, because there is a regime that is constantly in power, and all mainstream parties are, necessarily, acting in to advance the aims of that regime.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:30am
  - Wandering Star
    
    Am I wrong? I’m not getting any counter-arguments as to why I am wrong.
    
    Look at the facts: what began in earnest under a radically transformative Blair Labour government was continued, and even escalated, under 14 years of so-called Conservative governments. Now its being continued by the Starmer Labour government.
    
    In other words, replacement migration is a feature of the system, it is not a contingent policy of this or that party. They are all for it, because the money power is for it, and they are for it because they benefit. In this context, it doesn’t matter a damn that it is an extremely unpopular policy, because policies aren’t adopted because they are popular, they are adopted because they benefit the elite. If they happen to be popular, then that’s a bonus; if they aren’t popular, then that doesn’t matter.
    
    These facts demonstrate my contention that a) mass immigration is a consensus bi-partisan regime policy, and b) because of this, voting won’t change anything, short of voting for a radically reactionary alternative. QED.
    
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    September 6, 2025 2:16pm
  - Conservatarian
    
    Excellent comment. WS is 100% correct here, especially with his reference to the “uniparty” of Blairite government of both stripes. In the UK can’t currently vote our way out of the globalist open borders paradigm. We definitely don’t want to face to shoot our way out of it. Mystifying that so many down tick it.
    
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    September 6, 2025 2:24pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “This is not due to incompetence, it is due to malice. ”
    
    I think more likely cowardice. Same reason why otherwise sane and rational corporate leaders and “climate scientists” go along with highly destructive and irrational movements. They simply want to keep their careers and know that if they get booted they will have to grovel to woke sh*t to get back on the gravy train. This so they can have their plum house in a leafy safe suburb, supersized tank of a car and their holidays (not to mention the approval of their cowardly grifting social cohort).
    
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    September 6, 2025 4:28pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  How many armed police officers does it take to arrest an Irish comedian? Classical liberal Jonathan Sumption is worried that Trump might end US democracy, but has he said about the ongoing erosion of free speech (a vital pillar of democracy) in the UK?
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:34am
- Keith White
  
  If you look at the demographics of new police recruits as well as the demographics of the senior police management in both UK and NZ, we are in both countries getting the policing style that satisfies both those groups. And the general public can just sod off in their hiveminds.
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:21pm
- Notsofast
  
  From an email just in from our FSU which is the absolute truth. This organisation has rescued NZ from the abyss
  
  “Britain is at present recording 30 arrests per day for speech related offenses.
  This, quite literally, could have been us.
  Our FSU Council and staff in the course of defending speech rights in NZ have been targeted persistently by activists and opponents. But because the FSU in NZ got so many runs on the board in a remarkably short time through targeted, tireless advocacy and unflagging support from Kiwis like yourself, we’ve repeatedly seen off the threat. ”
  
  Join, donate.
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:46pm
David Garrett

A very cool 20C in the Kingdom this morning…Tongans going about in puffer jacket and beanies!
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September 6, 2025 8:12am
- lastmanstanding
  
  By gosh those Green MPs have a problem sticking around. I’ve lost count but no doubt DPF has the number. In proportion to their numbers they must lead the field in this statistic.
  
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  September 6, 2025 8:48am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Since the 2017 election:
    
    Turei went for benefit fraud.
    
    Kennedy Graham and his colleague resigned over this.
    
    GG went for 5 finger discounting.
    
    Tama went for immigrant abuse.
    
    Kerekere went because she texted something the girls didn’t like.
    
    Doyle has gone.
    
    That is 7, 2 went on principle and 5 under a cloud. Who will be next??
    
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    September 6, 2025 8:58am
    - David Garrett
      
      Fighting: If Doyle wasn’t a Green whatever other skeleton(s) he has in his closet would be all over the media…to a greater or lesser degree depending on whether he was Labour or Nat.
      
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      September 6, 2025 9:14am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Yes that had occurred to me. Imagine if an ACT MP had posted stories about weird and possibly illegal sex acts on social media.
        
        Just think back to another time. The media and th are left hounded John Key for months for lightly pulling a pony tail on a waitress.
        
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        September 6, 2025 9:58am
      - Wandering Star
        
        [Mod – take your obsession with David elsewhere]
        
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        September 6, 2025 10:08am
    - pdm
      
      ft. Was Kennedy Graham really that recent?
      
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      September 6, 2025 11:54am
      - David Garrett
        
        Pdm: Yeah, I thought it was longer ago than that…Graham and Clendon were – other than Shaw – the last “normal” male Green MP’s there were…
        
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        September 6, 2025 12:26pm
  - G152
    
    Yup.
    And its something that we should be thankful for.
    Green has always meant new and inexperienced
    
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    September 6, 2025 9:03am
  - R
    
    I get the impression that Greens aren’t real people!
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:33am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Every revolutionary is a closeted aristocrat – narcists and sociopaths. Big problem is that they lack any skills useful to the running of an effective govt, but have devoted their lives to exploiting young, ignorant and just plain stupid demographic who are excited by virtue signaling collective Narcissism of the Greens.
    
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    September 6, 2025 11:43am
Chuck Bird

Is the mad pursuit of net-zero world wide immoral, considering how this affects the third world?

Thumbs up for yes and thumbs down for no.
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September 6, 2025 8:20am
- David Garrett
  
  Chuck: Deduct one downtick;…mine made in error
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:51am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thank you.
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:24am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  They are not called the “third world” any longer.
  
  Anyway, you are spectacularly mistaken for two reasons…
  
  Firstly, developing countries are not required to reduce emissions under the Paris Accords. See India for example.
  
  Secondly, the Paris Accord requires 43 developed countries to pay developing countries $US 100 billion in “climate finance”. New Zealand is an enthusiastic participant.
  
  So you are worried about nothing.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:11am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Check Dr Steven Koonen.
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:25am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      No thanks.
      
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      September 6, 2025 11:19am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        As a theoretical physicist Dr Steven Koonin is well worth checking out if you doubt our media’s usual climate change narrative. A polymath, Koonin was Under Secretary for Science, Department of Energy, in the Obama administration and now works in The Hoover Institute, which employs those in the top three in their respective fields. He wrote a bestselling book “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters” (2021). He often offers to debate those of differing views but few take him on.
        
        https://www.hoover.org/profiles/steven-koonin
        
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        September 6, 2025 2:39pm
- Wandering Star
  
  We can know without a shadow of a doubt that we are being lied to about “reducing emissions” simply by considering the impact of another policy, being mass immigration into the high-emission developed world.
  
  If we want a “net-zero world” we should be keeping as many people as possible living in the third world. If we are really serious about it, we should also be sending immigrants from the third world back.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:12am
- Conservatarian
  
  The financial underpinning to net zero is pretty simple. One group of corporatists, using the covering fire provided by the nut job activists, have been swooping in on governments, private equity, and financial markets, attempting to hijack all the funds available. All they are doing is replacing fossil fuel billionaires with windmill billionaires.
  
  We know that energy equals work, and fossil fuel powered energy has led to tremendous productivity and wealth via the energy it reliably produces.
  
  They’ve got no such assurances with windmill powered energy.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:16am
Philview

It sounds like a ministerial bloodbath in the UK Government over night. Not a sign of a happy Labour Government.
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September 6, 2025 8:21am
- NothingLeft
  
  UK is pretty well screwed – socially and economically, there is skant hope of keeping their heads above the waves even if their govt falls, but far less if it stays in power for the next 4 years.
  
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  September 6, 2025 11:45am
- Keith White
  
  Moah, faster, please.
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:22pm
Chuck Bird

Great news

US Open: Erin Routliffe and Gabriela Dabrowski win women’s doubles title
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September 6, 2025 8:27am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I am not interested much in tennis. Could someone knowledgeable tell me why “doubles” champions get little recognition? If a New Zealand woman had won the women’s title at the US Open it would be the news story of the year.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:14am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am interested in tennis. I will be playing doubles this afternoon. The doubles players get less recognition as they do not get the same interest. The two winners get $1 million US to share. That is a lot less than singles. I suspect the tickets to watch live are a lot less for doubles.
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:35am
- Keith White
  
  If women are equal why do they have to have their own-gender tournaments?
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:23pm
  - Keith White
    
    Ah, really well-reasoned objections voiced there, downtickers 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2025 7:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m mildly surprised that the NZ media aren’t making more of this story. A New Zealander winning the US Open is quite a big deal.

Edit – Chuck – snap!

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/572261/tennis-wild-ride-nz-s-erin-routliffe-and-long-time-partner-win-second-us-open-title
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September 6, 2025 8:28am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  See my question above of why “doubles” champions don’t seem to get much attention.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:15am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s down the pecking order, I’m afraid
    The doubles winners team get 1/5 of the singles winners in prize money
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:29am
    - Spam
      
      If women’s tennis gets paid the same prize money as men’s (because equity), why don’t doubles get paid the same? And the boys & girls? And surely wheelchair tennis should command millions in prize money, too!
      
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      September 6, 2025 10:44am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Why do women play to the best of three matches while men have to play to the best of five?
        
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        September 6, 2025 11:11am
      - MCōs
        
        38yo Novak Djokovic is probably wondering why the blokes have to play five sets too
        
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        September 6, 2025 11:59am
- R
  
  NMTB……you must know by now, that NZ MSM never support or promote SUCCESS. Envy reporting is their Forte
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:39am
  - Ghost
    
    And yet it’s being reported in nz by the msm
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:51am
  - MCōs
    
    When it comes to sport high achieving Kiwis are constantly lauded by the local media, no matter how obscure the discipline
    
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    September 6, 2025 12:06pm
artemisia

The government has announced an extra $4 million for eating disorder services each year, bringing its annual contribution to more than $23 million.

Very sad story in the Herald today. A young woman with complex mental health challenges died and Parents speak out after Christchurch woman’s ‘horrible’ eating disorder death

Parents say she did not get the help she needed. She did however get a lot of help over years. Health interventions, mental or physical, are not always optimum or successful. It is not an exact science, and there are always more demands than budgets.
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September 6, 2025 8:31am
- David Garrett
  
  Art: Eating disorders are tragic and can be baffling. Someone close to be got hospitalized and still thought she was fat. She’s never fully recovered, and she’s now over 50.
  
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  September 6, 2025 8:44am
- pdm
  
  I am unconvinced that extra Government money will solve individual eating disorders.
  
  That is a role for families, GP’s, Dieticians etc and the current Billions spent on health should be enough to cover the problem.
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:02am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Well you would be wrong.
    
    The death rate from anorexia is the highest of any psychiatric disorder.
    
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8429328/#:~:text=Anorexia%20nervosa%20affects%20up%20to,years%20of%20the%20diagnosis1.
    
    You think a parent can fix it? A GP. 😩 You been to a GP in New Zealand recently?
    
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    September 6, 2025 10:19am
    - pdm
      
      `You been to a GP in New Zealand recently?’
      
      Yes I see my GP every 3 months. The price of have two lots of open heart surgery due to a genetic aortic valve condition.
      
      If I had a family member with an eating disorder my GP of 20 odd years would be my first port of call with them. and I would trust his advice to them implicitly.
      
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      September 6, 2025 12:07pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Pdm: Anorexia is a psychiatric illness…difficult enough for shrinks to treat successfully…your average GP would be completely out if his depth.
        
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        September 6, 2025 12:30pm
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Good grief. All your GP is going to do is find a good psychiatrist. If you are lucky.
        
        I don’t even know what point you are making.
        
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        September 6, 2025 2:05pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In this case, I feel sorry for Angela Rayner. The Brits have a 5% stamp duty on second properties. Her first property was in a trust, jointly owned with her ex husband, in which their disabled son lives (she and her husband take turn and turn about to live there, so their son does not have to move from one parent to another).

I expect she has breached the letter of the law, but this is not egregious.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80gr5emk43o
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September 6, 2025 8:50am
- MCōs
  
  Reading the UK news it seems to be a big deal over there especially for anti government types, which seems to be just about everyone at the moment.
  On the face of it it’s not as bad as Winston’s blatant benefit fraud of a few years ago.
  As I recall he shrugged it off and attempted to sue the whistleblowers!
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:24am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    That is a bit of a rewrite of history. He was advised of the error and repaid the difference.
    
    Some clown in MSD decided to let the National Minister Anne Tolley know in a clear breach of client confidentiality.
    
    Anne Tolley then used it for a cheap political shot.
    
    Even if Peters had been economical with the truth, or simply made a mistake, it wasn’t the error or the fix that was the court case, it was the leak of personal information.
    
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    September 6, 2025 9:53am
    - MCōs
      
      I’ve filled out the same form.
      Nothing difficult about do you have a partner? Yes/no
      Those forms are designed for people a lot less intelligent than Winston
      If he was bamboozled he could have phoned a friend.
      
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      September 6, 2025 10:35am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Concur MCos. Peters is, or was a lawyer. No one can tell me he “made a mistake”.
        
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        September 6, 2025 10:52am
      - David Garrett
        
        MCos: Me too…it was no mistake.
        
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        September 6, 2025 11:24am
    - Ghost
      
      The story Peter’s told sounds more like a fairy tale. He claimed that Seymour’s girlfriend overheard Tolley telling Bennett, the girlfriend told Seymour, who told bishop. I doubt Winston knows who it was or what happened.
      
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      September 6, 2025 10:54am
      - rjay
        
        I got it from Agnes and Agnes gave it to Jim
        
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        September 6, 2025 5:21pm
  - Mod88
    
    The Pension is Not a Benefit. It is a Social Contract between You & The Govt. They take money from you on the understanding that at Retirement Age you will be paid a stipend from earnings made by the Govt from said money. It is not your (our) fault every Govt since has mismanaged their side of said Contract.
    
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    September 6, 2025 12:28pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If it was to be paid from earnings from the money the gummint took from you over the years, one might expect to see some variation in the payments between people who had “contributed” lots, not a lot and not anything.
      
      Is that contract someplace? The one that says explicitly that the stipend will be paid from earnings on the taxes collected?
      
      Yawn. All good fun but noone is convincing anyone on the other side of this issue. Come to think of it, quite a bit of the stuff “debated” on KB is like that 🙂
      
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      September 6, 2025 12:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, the pension is a benefit. Just some oldies don’t want to admit they are on a benefit.
      
      NZ Super is a ‘tier 1’ benefit as it aims to protect from poverty in old age.
      
      Retirement commission
      
      New Zealand Superannuation (also known as the pension, National Super or Super) is a benefit paid by the Government to New Zealanders once they reach the qualifying age (currently 64 or 65).
      
      Treasury
      
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      September 6, 2025 12:38pm
      - MCōs
        
        Furthermore it doesn’t just pop up in your bank account when you turn 65. It must be applied for like most benefits.
        
        In Winston’s case he no doubt applied for to ward off poverty in old age. Presumably someone else’s old age because one doubts he’d be wallowing in squalor otherwise
        
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        September 6, 2025 3:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Oh dear. Not this crap again.
        
        Call it a pension. Call it a benefit. It doesn’t matter.
        
        Go and play outside boys and girls.
        
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        September 6, 2025 4:34pm
- David Garrett
  
  Nevermind: I am with you. She got some legal advice, but didn’t take expert legal advice on tax, as she was urged to do. Given that specialist legal advice can be very expensive, it seems like a omission many could make.
  
  If she was a New Zealand Labour/Green Minister it would be seen as a minor oversight.
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:54am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not an omission she could make though David. Her salary is around 160k GBP which means she can easily afford expert tax advice. Rayner’s problem is that she is Minister of Housing and should bloody well know better.
    
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    September 6, 2025 11:04am
    - NothingLeft
      
      She did know better. She’s a life long trougher who has always lived off the taxpayer – a fairly severe case of entitlitis.
      
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      September 6, 2025 11:47am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Cockup rather than conspiracy …
    
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    September 6, 2025 12:28pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Might well be Ian. But she was told to make sure she got taxation advice. A cockup is if the advice was wrong. Not getting the advice, and paying the wrong amount is negligent at best, dishonest at worst. Being Minister of Housing, neither of those is palatable.
      
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      September 6, 2025 2:09pm
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      See my rather long post about what she really did.
      
      That’s a lot of cock ups that if the rest of us were so unfortunate to suffer would likely result in a couple of court appearances.
      
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      September 6, 2025 5:55pm
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    The BBC report named the legal firm who advised her on this. However, the firm said they handled her property transfer but never advised her about tax payments. Whoops.
    
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    September 6, 2025 2:51pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  It’s far more than that. It’s a string of lies and evasion but what did for her is the hypocrisy. She’s made a career of attacking Tories – most famously calling them Scum – for their scandals and now she’s caught feathering her own nest. Again.
  
  Whats happened is:
  She’s evaded house buying tax while being the Housing Secretary
  The new home is 250 miles from her constituency (and she had a free home in London with the Dep PM job)
  And 250 miles from her disabled son in that constituency
  Yet just a couple of miles from the bloke she started shagging during Covid
  She got the deposit after ‘selling’ her 25 per cent of the marital home where the boy lives to the trust set up to take care of his life-long needs. The trust already owned 50% of the house
  This trust was established with a large amount of cash Big Ange and then hubby sued the NHS for due to negligence during childbirth
  The £165,000 the trust paid her values the house at £660,000 – reportedly hugely more than any other recent sale in that street (it’s in the north)
  Quite how the kid or trust actually benefit by having 75% of the house rather than 50% is unknown, raising questions of if the trust is being properly run for his interests
  There’s video of Ange praising the NHS care the child got to make her look good politically in 2020. She and the baby daddy were suing the NHS in 2020
  She claimed the new house was her primary home to get the lower rate of stamp duty. Yet for parliamentary expenses purposes she claimed it was former marital home, which was financially more advantageous
  She was also registered to vote at the old marital home
  We had two weeks of her office and fellow ministers telling us she’d done nothing wrong
  The admitted she had done wrong, blaming lawyers/conveyancers
  And they’ve quickly said they never provided such definitive advice – she’s telling porkies about them
  
  So not quite brave class warrior woman MP undone by a trifling life admin oversight. Short version is she got shacked up with a new bloke, manipulated the finances of son’s trust to buy a lovely seaside apartment in a nicer part of the country to be near him and then dodged a large tax bill.
  
  She’s got form too. Having left school pregnant, she got a council house. Here in the UK after a certain period tenants get the right to buy the property at a discounted rate. Thatcher brought it in and Labour have criticised it for decades.
  
  Yet our brave Labour MP took advantage of this policy to buy her council home. You can’t sell the house until a certain number of years have passed and you’ve had to live there the whole time.
  
  Big Ange did sell the council house after those years passed but this was several years into her marriage. She pocketed a lovely five-figure profit.
  
  Remarkably though, during this period husband and the kids lived in what had been his home a couple of miles away. According to Big Ange, for the first few years of her marriage, while having kids with this bloke, her primary residence was her pre-marital home and she just used to pop over to his.
  
  She only moved in full time after the required number of years for selling the old council house had passed, she claimed.
  
  And neighbours who told the media her brother actually lived there and she was renting him the house until selling it are completely wrong. Apparently.
  
  A long post but that’s due to the very murky conduct of Big Ange.
  
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  September 6, 2025 5:50pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    A long post. Indeed. Getting close to the TLDR thing.
    
    Why should we give a shit about the travails of a politician on the other side of the world? Did we get excited about all the shonky stuff that Boris’s crew got up to?
    
    Does this have any effect on the life of NZers? If it’s just because Starmer is Labour and there is a KB solidarity thing about bashing Labour pollies worldwide then I guess it’s fair enough …. 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2025 6:00pm
Scooter

Here’s the interview with Matt Doocey Minister for Mental Health on the Platform. At the end she asks him about where they are at with the puberty blockers legislation, and there’s no answers, just round and round and now passing it onto to Simeon Brown. He used to work at the Tavistock Institute, which was criticised in the Cass review. Why is it taking so long, is he up to the job or just pushing the can down the road?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-62335665.amp

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/matt-doocey-on-new-funding-for-eating-disorder-services

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/citizen-science-matt-doocey-doubles-down-on-trans-healthcare
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September 6, 2025 9:13am
Southern Raider

Read a good article yesterday questioning what’s behind the two most polar opposite groups (radical left woke liberals and jihadi muslims) joining up against Israel and Jews.

On face value it’s an impossible combination, except for the one thing they have in common hate of the West.

This also raises the question who is organising and funding this as no grass roots protests can self sustain for 2 years and be global.
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September 6, 2025 9:23am
- Wandering Star
  
  “On face value it’s an impossible combination, except for the one thing they have in common hate of the West.”
  
  How does these groups “joining up against Israel and Jews” relate to “the one thing they have in common hate of the West”?
  
  Your basic premise is false, which leads to your conclusion being suspect.
  
  As I have persuasively argued on several occasions, Israel is not part of the West (as candidly given away by many Zionists who, when pushed, admonish “Westerners” for not understanding the necessity for extreme barbarism against Arabs in the Levant) while the Jewish people have always been, at best, a minority and peripheral presence within Western societies (particularly before the early 19th century), but never essential to the development of Western culture and, in fact, have been quite clearly antithetical to, and even hostile to, Western (read heavily Christian-derived and motivated) culture.
  
  In terms of the latter point above, it is an easily verifiable fact that “radical woke liberals” have always taken their cues from what was, at bottom, an anti-Western intellectual tendency and movement spearheaded by a disproportionate number of Jewish thinkers.
  
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  September 6, 2025 11:25am
Fender

as I missed replying to Rodney yesterday
I think if a law states that euthanasia is an option then all hospices would be obliged to meet those needs, there would be ways this could be done with transfers etc if some were against it onsite.

Rodney I don’t understand your extension about people/prisoners etc not fitting the criteria. We are talking of somebody who is already dieing and nothing else. We follow this responsibility daily with pets in large numbers and consider it the right thing to do. It has nothing to do with life being valuable but more with having some dignity in death.
I have seen my mother pass in hospice and my father is in 10k monthly care with dementia and all four of us siblings talk constantly of somebody please take us out the back paddock or apply a pillow if we ever get in that situation. My mother actual told the doctors no more after saying all her goodbyes and they stopped medication and she passed within 48 hrs so doctors are basically doing this now anyway aren’t they.

Gulag1917 mentioned Golden Gate jumpers, suicide is nothing like euthanasia which is choosing a quicker dignified death over unavoidable upcoming suffering.

Perhaps Jason Isbell said it best, the discussion over the lyrics is always very deep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClugMhMbrRg
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Flossie

There’s a post on Bassett Brash and Hide this morning about an adult who has looked into learning the Maori language. (Sorry I don’t know how to link but it’s easy enough to find.) She found the prayers and singing overwhelmed the language part of the exercise and her experience reminded me of a recent happening at my house.
Primary school aged relatives were having a family meal here and before we ate they – completely uninvited – began a chant which we assumed was a type of grace as it ended with “amene” We politely sat through it. I then asked them what the words were, and what the meaning behind it was, and their response was a shrug and “dunno”.
Learned completely by rote with no comprehension, and adds absolutely nothing to their lives.

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JUDY GILL: TE REO– A PARENT’S JOURNEY
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- Flossie
  
  Thanks mod!
  
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  September 6, 2025 9:40am
- Yvette
  
  Flossie, from your linked article –
  
  For younger [school] children, the main focus is waiata and karakia. Both are taught by rote, drilled with perfect pronunciation, treated as sacred performance. Beyond that, the alphabet, colours, and numbers are introduced as token gestures.
  
  Why is a Maori religious world view and practices permitted to be taught in state schools when no provision, like for an Islamic or Jewish worldview, is catered for – rather than raising one ethic view above others.
  
  Where in the Treaty does it say the Crown must protect and develop Maori taonga rather than just saying, as it does, that their right to ownership will be maintained as long as they wish to keep such of what they regard as treasures or matters of value?
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:16am
  - PurplePen
    
    It’s that bugaboo, the meaning of taonga and protection in articles 2 and 3 respectively. My guess is their actual intention and meaning since 1840 has been expanded and combined to mean anything the trough-dwellers and their woke government agency managers want them to mean to widen the scope and depth of the trough.
    
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    September 6, 2025 11:40am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I can assure you that every day local and central government employees recite thousands of karakia. In many organisations they are mandatory before and after every meeting.
  
  These are learned by rote. Public servants are judged in their performance reviews on their pronunciation of te reo. Not their understanding.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:25am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Mostly correct, except I would say that many central govt agencies and departments don’t do performance appraisals. Instead, the requirement to say maori prayers and promote the language is an integral part of the career development plan for those seeking promotion. Typically this a progressive white woman who “goes on a journey” discovering some ancestry or culture as a means to be promoted. All of course detracting from her ability to perform her core job according to traditional, merit-based organisational concepts of performance.
    
    Those who don’t embrace the maori supremacy inherent in the public sector don’t enter into the promotion game have their careers stalled. Though they get typically get pay rises for each additional year of seniority up to a certain point.
    
    Of course, the many Indians recently employed in the public service remain mystified at the strange things they might be required to do in their employment in “Aotearoa”.
    
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    September 6, 2025 2:47pm
- Eastlander
  
  Indicative of how Maori is surviving as a language of ritual and ceremony – like Latin or Church Slavonic – rather than communication.
  
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  September 6, 2025 11:02am
  - Keith White
    
    “Yes I speak Te Reo – the primary i.e. Grift dialect.”
    
    That’s the fundamental linguistic driver.
    
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    September 6, 2025 12:43pm
- Ian Boag
  
  prayers and singing overwhelmed the language part of the exercise
  
  I think she had trouble finding the language part at all.
  
  So I asked chatgpt what sort of resources (books) exist for someone who wants to learn Maori. There are some that look quite reasonable and some on-line resources. If interested go and ask chatgpt yourself – the response was a bit lengthy to cut/paste into a post.
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:42pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Wot did I do for downticks?
    
    I found a source that pointed me at a list of books and online resources for people who might want to learn Maori. It is a relatively short list, but the stuff looked reasonable from the titles.
    
    I guess the surprise bit was none of the books seemed to be in use by Waiheke Is schools with Maori language on the subject list.
    
    I think her point was that if Maori is to be taught as a school subject (I’m agnostic on that one) it would make sense to use the same methods that are used teaching French, Japanese, Spanish etc etc.
    
    Go figure.
    
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    September 6, 2025 2:48pm
- rjay
  
  I learned “Maori” as it was called to 4th form level in the 1970s. There was a text book series we worked through. It was a Catholic school yet no karakia were performed.
  Ten years later as a relief teacher in a Catholic school I refused to read the karakia in the provided lesson plan as it was an animalistic prayer not suited to the school’s values.
  
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  September 6, 2025 5:27pm
I remember when

Oh dear! It’s our fault, again!
When will we ever learn?
So another diverse, Green soul departs Parliament, after discovering that discretion may be more important/necessary than they thought.
The 5th new Green MP enters Parliament since the election.
Brings back memories of the once popular song ‘Green Door’ – I wonder what’s behind the Green door.’
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September 6, 2025 9:41am
- Conservatarian
  
  Chloe’s magic word when talking to the normie media is “sustainability”. She repeats this word as though the concept actually means something. The normies lap it up and congratulate themselves for transmitting right on opinions to other normies.
  
  All these loony MPs self destructing, and the role of the party in selecting these trainwrecks, doesn’t seem very sustainable but.
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:27am
  - Flossie
    
    Lately it has seemed to me that Chloe is THE leader of the Green party. You hardly hear boo from the co-leader, Marama. I know she was away because of her medical treatment, but she’s been back a while now. Chloe is pretty much where I always thought she aspired to be i.e. top dog.
    
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    September 6, 2025 1:51pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      When the co-leader was a white man, they had to present Davidson alongside him to buttress the social justice view that “men are bad but we need them temporarily so they can get things done”. Davidson is, of course, particularly incompetent.
      
      Now that Swarbrick replaced Shaw, and is highly competent at communicating with mentally ill childless and / or single women, there’s no need to front with Davidson.
      
      I view Swarbrick as dangerously competent, in her own special way.
      
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      September 6, 2025 2:53pm
- Yvette
  
  [Mod – children are off limits]
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:59am
- PurplePen
  
  Death threats and abuse were referenced as a reason for leaving. What I don’t get is surely as an MP you don’t read every email or social media post. And if you happen to glance at one at it is obviously not to your liking, why would you then read it. Additionally, it’s not uncommon to have filters on work emails that redirects them to a folder or someone else.
  
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  September 6, 2025 11:45am
  - Keith White
    
    Those of us who did not want the jab copped a full range of public abuse from politicians (and many others) for years+. Remember which politico said “Get vaxxed, don’t be a dickhead!”? Also “Drop dead, you deserve to.” Remember that? Seems like politicians have even worse short term memory that their voters…
    
    And do you not remember all those Kiwis locked out of their own country and then imprisoned under Army and Police enforcement upon ‘winning’ the humiliating lottery, and then paying their jailers’ salaries out of their dwindling bank accounts, being jobless? Many if us do remember all that at first hand; and we do not consider that some whiny little perv being called out for religious slander – what else is ‘biblebeltbussy’, other than anti-Christian hate speech? – has been attacked anywhere nearly analogously.
    
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    September 6, 2025 12:47pm
I remember when

Th Paris Agreement.

Inflation.
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September 6, 2025 10:08am
- nathie
  
  And increasing energy costs.
  
  So why is it that the Leftie Green/Labour parties owe their allegiance to overseas CC advocates … rather than the people they purport to serve first i.e. Kiwis, particularly those that do not have the spare income to indulge in supporting endless virtue signaling?
  
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  September 6, 2025 10:26am
  - Quail
    
    The dysfunction in NZ politics is that political parties have too much power over the electorate, and elected members.
    If ALL candidates were scrutinised at the ballot box democracy would be served..
    At present 50% of sitting politicians can and sometimes do thumb their noses at voters.All they need to remain in parliament on their substantial salaries is their mates.
    This also devalues the choices and directions made by NZ voters, by electorate politicians who can not achieve their manifestos or promised reforms.
    In NZ the bureaucracy has filled the gap—- but they are usually change averse without necessary constraint.
    Accountability is rare.
    MMP is destroying this country!
    
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    September 6, 2025 11:27am
    - Steve Todd
      
      You have made similar comments before, Quail, but you don’t tell us what you would like MMP to be replaced with.
      
      So, I ask you now: Do you support FPP or PR/STV, or some other electoral system?
      
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      September 6, 2025 1:14pm
      - Quail
        
        S T.
        FYI,
        STV seems to work in Australia..
        Somehow the responsibility of Governance in NZ needs to lie with ELECTED politicians.
        Even FPP would be preferable to the NZ political condition at present.
        MMP has a very sorry record off shore , eg Germany.
        It seems all systems have their weakness’s ,but MMP is certainly one of the worst performers.
        
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        September 6, 2025 2:57pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Okay, thanks, Quail.
        
        Diasappointingly, you are once again non-committal — see https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2025/07/general_debate_07_july_2025.html/comment-page-1#comment-3735312. Why, I wonder?
        
        If you are going to tell us on a semi-regular basis that MMP is destroying New Zealand, then you should be able to tell us which electoral system you would want to see it replaced with, and why, if only so we know exactly where you’re coming from.
        
        I’ll drop the matter now.
        
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        September 6, 2025 3:24pm
I remember when

Maori Co-governance.

Inflation.
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September 6, 2025 10:11am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360815160/it-was-quiet-sunday-morning-then-rampaging-man-invaded-their-home-and-trashed-it

Yet another example of the failure of community based Mental Health Care. For those for whom it works, it works well. But for an intellectually disabled person to enter a house and cause $28K worth of damage, while the homeowners are home, from a care home that has been the subject of 55 emergency callouts over 3 years, it is only going to be a matter of time before an innocent person is injured, or worse.
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September 6, 2025 10:47am
I remember when

Ngai Tahu eyes Molesworth Station bid: Farmer’s Weekly.
“Iwi keen to preserve ‘a living embodiment of our history, identity and future.”
“Ngai Tahu is considering making a bid to run New Zealand’s largest farm, Molesworth Station.
The Department of Conservation, which manages the 180,000 hectare Rangitahi-Molesworth Station Reserve, will later this year seek expressions of interest for running the farming and other commercial ,operations when Pamu’s lease expires next June.
Te Runanga o Ngai Tahu chief executive Ben Bateman said the iwi will engage with DoC as it considers its options.
“It is important that we work alongside the Crown in genuine Treaty partnership to determine how this special place is cared for, now and into the future,” he said.

As much left unsaid as has been said?
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September 6, 2025 11:13am
- Keith White
  
  Racial Dictionary:
  
  Phrase: “Genuine Treaty partnership.”
  
  Meaning: “You pay us unearned $$$ with the money taken from you while you work, and you better bow low while doing it, as we sit back on the layabout couch because we can.”
  
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  September 6, 2025 12:53pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    This is the fantasy “partnership” that is nowhere to be seen in the actual treaty. For the purpose of unearned and unjustified wealth transfer. A wealth transfer from all citizens to a select minority based on racial heritage.
    
    “a living embodiment of our history, identity and future.”
    
    The usual meaningless psychobabble that tries to fluff up this kind of stinking con job.
    
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    September 6, 2025 4:54pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    How rassist
    
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    September 6, 2025 6:07pm
- wsk12345
  
  Yes it is a special place. I don’t think it was in 1840 though.
  
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  September 6, 2025 1:24pm
- rouppe
  
  Weren’t similar words used regarding Waikaremoana specifically and the Urewera forest generally?
  
  Look how that turned out.
  
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  September 6, 2025 3:44pm
- Quail
  
  IRW,
  It is a concern that Ngai Tahu Corporation are looking at obtaining NZ largest farm when, apparently, no one else appears to be included as possible purchasers
  At present there are three former large sheep stations that were amalgamated to form the Molesworth of today.There is opportunity
  Molesworth is presently owned by the Crown and managed by the Government
  If it is to be disposed of, ALL NZ residents must have the opportunity to purchase or negotiate.
  NZ is encouraging off shore investors as well.This property would fit in those parameters.
  A Treaty settlement with Ngai Tahu Corporates does not cut it. Commercial tules must apply
  This is a bellwether moment for this Coalition Government
  
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  September 6, 2025 4:41pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I read it that they were looking to possibly become the leaseholder when Pamu leave. Their deed of settlement does allow for this possibility. AFAIK (as always – open to correction) there has not been mention of them taking over the freehold ….
    
    The above courtesy of chatgpt …. so much easier than googling around a succession of websites.
    
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    September 6, 2025 5:37pm
cmm

This is some of the worst over-hyped reporting I have ever seen.

Headline: ‘Death immediate to those within 1km’

Actual text:
Advice from the EOD was that the blast radius from that bomb “would have been felt approximately up to 1km and death would be immediate to anyone in the close vicinity”.

Houses within 100m were evacuated.

Chances are that “close vicinity” would have been 10 metres or so. Since the blast effect falls off at approximately the square of distance, the Herald have over-hyped this by a factor of around 10,000 or so.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/warren-lee-his-undesirable-neighbours-and-the-pipe-bomb-he-built-to-scare-them-off/I5D5NAPZ7VCLTHMKY2PPMLOB6M/
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- Swifty
  
  MOABs and small tactical nukes have a blast radius of between 1 and 1.5km bringing instant death to those within the radius.
  
  You’re right, this is crap reporting from someone who hasn’t bothered to fact check what they’re writing.
  
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  September 6, 2025 5:08pm
rouppe

NZ First having their conference at the moment. The story talks about remits being discussed for the 2026 election campaign.

Remits – policy proposals for the upcoming election campaign – will be discussed and voted on throughout today and tomorrow.

The 55 remits feature policies central to NZ First’s core principles, including removing Treaty of Waitangi references, developing a migration strategy, legal protection to use natural health products, axing the Waitangi Tribunal, reforming local government, providing affordable energy and supporting regional development.

Removing Treaty of Waitangi references was in the 2023 NZF/National coalition agreement.

Clearly, for all the big talk by some, that policy commitment is never going to happen this term.

That leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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- Quail
  
  R,
  Yes, there are a lot of promised reforms we won’t see if we don’t return this Government.
  Think RMA as well!
  
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  September 6, 2025 6:31pm
- Philview
  
  That was an interesting interview with Nash on TVNZ tonight. Obviously a story in there somewhere. He was thrown to the wolves by someone.
  
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