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imalwaysright

Linda Clark, on behalf of the Philips family, has been granted an urgent High Court temporary suppression order in relation to aspects of Tom’s death.

Is that a usual thing to happen in police shootings?
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September 9, 2025 8:01am
- Ghost
  
  No, this was sought by his mother
  
  A lawyer acting for Julia Phillips, the mother of Tom Phillips, has been granted an urgent High Court injunction restraining the New Zealand Police, Oranga Tamariki and media from publishing or communicating some information until further order of the court.
  
  This interim order will remain in force until 2.15pm on September 11.
  
  Article
  
  [Mod – corrected]
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:50am
- Paulus
  
  Looks like it, but remember Linda Clark is desperate to get back into the media, so she can join such as Maiki Sherman and others in trying to take down the current Government.
  She is also defence Council for the prosecution of the ex Senior Policeman.
  Assume thatb she will go for all the publiciity she can just like the old days.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Er , you’ll find that clients for some strange reason will get legal representation for themselves , not for the sake of the lawyer they engage.
    
    ps What prosecution. Senior former policeman is innocent. No charges .
    
    We really don’t need trial by blog posters .
    
    Idda thunk kb was better than that.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:14am
    - hookerphil
      
      No charges in relation to the sexual harassment of the young woman police worker – the stuff on the computer is still alive.
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:21am
    - zulumonster
      
      kowtow – “What prosecution?” – I thought the charges for the allegation of sexual misconduct against a police staff member were dropped, but the charges for possessing naughty pictures are still live?
      
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      September 9, 2025 12:56pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Zulu: You insult the child victims – and they are victims whether the former deputy Commissioner is guilty or not guilty.
        
        “Naughty pictures” are what red blooded men have somewhere on their hard drives. These are vile images of depravity involving babies and animals.
        
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        September 9, 2025 1:57pm
      - kowtow
        
        OK I stand corrected re the computer but my basic contention still stands . He may be under investigation, but to date no charges have been brought , there date is as such no prosecution and so under our constitution the man is innocent .Until proven in a court of law .
        Not in the court of blog land!
        
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        September 9, 2025 3:14pm
      - zulumonster
        
        Can’t reply to your reply DG – but you are 100% correct – I apologise for appearing to downplay the seriousness of the charges. That was not my intention.
        
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        September 9, 2025 4:32pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Just wondering what would prompt Mrs Philips to engage that particular lawyer, and for what reason, on the same day her son was killed.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:51am
    - Keith White
      
      Maybe the lawyer ‘engaged’ with the widow… seeking more legal fame and fortune? It has happened…
      
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      September 9, 2025 1:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    Linda’s a bit far Left for me, but she’s bright and honest and fair, and you don’t blame her as a lawyer for clients’ views.
    
    Regardless of right or wrong, the NZ Establishment will surely be mounting the biggest PR drive since the Nottingham Borough Council defended the Sheriff for hunting that bush burglar Robin Hood.
    
    Some of our media stars today are working to be be seen as staying on the neutrality line in the Phillips saga.
    
    For example, poor Mike Hosking on ZBnewstalk, trying to square the circle — that is, be a neutral iconoclast.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:55am
    - ecco
      
      Linda [ You need to debate an issue rather than just explain that you don’t like someone… Mod ]
      
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      September 9, 2025 3:57pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Paulus: Clark is Counsel for the former Deputy Commissioner mate…Council is what you are voting for over the next few days – if you can be bothered
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:13am
    - Paulus
      
      David – yes sorry getting old !
      p.s. not voting as in already decided Tauranga.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:18pm
  - MCōs
    
    Why would Linda Clark be fighting tooth and nail to leave a career she gave an arm and leg to get in to?
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:31am
    - David Garrett
      
      MCos: Perhaps she is tired of the tyranny of the timesheet? No time keeping in six minute units as a journo. Mind you, the pay is much inferior to lawyering.
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:05am
      - Jack5
        
        DG, so you sacrifice at least 145 pa’anga for every post you make here?
        
        Thank you, thank you, thank you! 🙇‍♀️
        
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        September 9, 2025 3:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      It has been said by some of her legal colleagues, about time too that she moved on.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:19pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Maybe it’s to give time to review and question the narrative of how this happened.
  
  There seems to be some questionable tactics and unanswered questions around the order of events.
  
  Why were road spikes used when they knew a child would be on the back of the quad bike? It could have flipped and killed the child.
  
  Who engaged first with firearms?
  
  Why didn’t Tom just disappear into the bush on foot as initially was only 1 Police officer?
  
  Why hadn’t the Police actively engaged in using a neutral mediator ages ago to end this before there was a tragedy?
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:03am
  - Ghost
    
    No. Tom’s mother got the injunction. But hey, spin it how you like
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:21am
  - john1234
    
    “Who engaged first with firearms?”
    The police car windscreen shown in the newspaper has half a dozen bullet holes in it. As dead men don’t fire rifles that suggests that Phillips fired first.
    
    “Why were road spikes used when they knew a child would be on the back of the quad bike? It could have flipped and killed the child.”
    Road spikes are designed to deflate tyres slowly, not blow them out.
    
    “Why didn’t Tom just disappear into the bush on foot as initially was only 1 Police officer?”
    Because he was busy shooting at a police officer.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:25am
    - MCōs
      
      . . . . an unarmed police officer
      
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      September 9, 2025 12:34pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      “The police car windscreen shown in the newspaper has half a dozen bullet holes in it. As dead men don’t fire rifles that suggests that Phillips fired first.”
      
      What that could also indicate is that Tom wasn’t behind a windscreen of his own and therefore doesn’t have a visible record of near hits.
      We don’t know any facts except he’s dead.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:42pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It sounds like Philips may have had a simi automatic.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Chuck, a simi automatic?
        
        Are you saying a Finnish m/31 Suomi, like the gun at the following link? Where would Phillips have got that?
        
        https://www.forgottenweapons.com/suomi-m31-finlands-famous-submachine-gun/
        
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        September 9, 2025 3:05pm
  - AitchW
    
    Spiked tyres deflate slowly. Plenty of time to slow and stop.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:50pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Something needs to be done about our courts trying to cover everything in secrecy.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:40am
  - Ghost
    
    Tom’s mother got the injunction, so why attack the court?
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Banana’s probably alluding to the confidentiality of Family Court proceedings.
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:31am
    - BananaLlama
      
      [ Mod – you debating something here? ]
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:46am
      - BananaLlama
        
        What debate? attack the courts? they have issued an injunction restraining ALL media
        
        from publishing or communicating some information until further order of the court.
        
        So sorry I’m just not interested in his comments, he’s just being a troll.
        
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        September 9, 2025 12:48pm
      - Ghost
        
        Interesting, stating facts is trolling, but making up stories that aren’t factual is what, because that’s what you’ve been doing in an attempt to defend a person who kidnapped his children, involved them in crime, kept them from family, friends and their mother, and then tried to murder a cop.
        
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        September 9, 2025 6:57pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Agree Banana,
    There seems to be a default position to tell the public the absolute bare minimum.
    All that does is breed suspicion and conspiracy theories.
    Look at the recent name suppression for a convicted paedo referred to as a 49 yr old prominent business person. All that did was to put similar, innocent, people under suspicion.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:23am
    - BananaLlama
      
      [Mod – take a week off, I’ve already stated that we are not doing rumours on the mother]
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:09pm
- john1234
  
  There are some stories circulating about Tom Phillips that are not very nice… appalling in fact. The family would not want them reported.
  I have no idea if they are true, and generally expect such sensationalist gossip/rumour to be false but if they turn out to be true it will lead to most of his supporters changing their views.
  
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  September 9, 2025 11:22am
  - Notsofast
    
    This guy knew a confrontation with the police was a certainty and prepared accordingly, with every intention of killing one or more completely innocent men.
    He joins the most infamous criminals in our history.
    But Luigi Mangione has a massive fan base too.
    And probably Brenton Tarrant.
    
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    September 9, 2025 4:30pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    So rumours about rumours, what a wonderful web we weave.
    
    Looking forward to the book/movie!
    
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    September 9, 2025 5:03pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

While both Plunket and Hospices receive taxpayer money, neither are public sector organisations. Why then does the Nurses Union think that pay equity is appropriate?

Put another way, should any Plunket employee have pay equity? Should, say, a Plunket spokesperson receive the same pay as an equivalent at Health NZ? Of course not, the idea is a nonsense.

Whether Plunket and hospices should be public agencies is a different matter; same as with the ambulance service. But pay equity is not the lever to achieve this change.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/572480/hospice-plunket-nurses-fear-they-won-t-see-payout-even-if-pay-equity-claims-succeed
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September 9, 2025 8:02am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  I read Plunket as Sean Plunket and thought Wow! – that’s a development 😉
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Same here, and Sean would surely welcome capital support.
    
    But what of the other Plunket — the great agency founded by Dr Frederic Truby King in Dunedin more than a century ago? It helped generations of NZ families, and became a byword for young mothers’ help.
    
    What of it now? It’s another voluntary organisation taken over by the Woke Left. Here’s how it describes itself:
    
    “Whānau Āwhina Plunket is a charity and Aotearoa New Zealand’s largest support service for the health and wellbeing of tamariki under-five and their whānau.”
    
    Truby King and his fellow pioneers mightn’t understand that.
    
    It’s run by the Royal New Zealand Plunket Trust Board, but this now has, in addition to six general board members, three Maori board members.
    
    The pink icing on the Woke cake: the chairwoman is Fran Wilde, former Labour politician and Wellington Mayor.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:27am
    - Flossie
      
      A friend of mine was working there and all the peripheral nonsense caused her resignation. That is to say, less emphasis on babes and mothers, and more karakias etc.
      
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      September 9, 2025 12:36pm
      - KH
        
        Sorry. Downtick by mistake
        
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        September 9, 2025 12:43pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      In my experience, career politicians like Fran and others I know, go left and woke way more than when they first get elected.
      
      Pressure groups know how to steer such weak-minded individuals.
      
      I well remember after the cake tin in Wellington (under Frans watch) was flailing and not making any progress.
      
      The new project manager took the job on the explicit agreement that he was the boss. Starting to get everything back on track, he recalled a meeting which included Fran. Fran decided she wanted some changes…The Project Manager, cut cut her off. Thank you for your thoughts, Fran. But I am the project manager and it will be done my way.
      
      Needless to say, lots of yelling and screaming…ie the source of the original fkup was cause mainly caused by her interference.
      
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      September 9, 2025 5:12pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  “Pay equity” for people in different jobs is never a valid argument. It makes no more sense than arguing that oranges should cost the same as bananas because they are both fruit.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:10am
  - cmm
    
    And yet that distinction is what underlies the perpetual myth that women are paid less than men or Maori are paid less than others.
    
    The argument comes down to the crazy idea that white men constructed the current “system” and set it up to best advantage themselves. ie. white men decided that effort and learning should be rewarded – that an engineer should be paid more than a supermarket cashier.
    
    It comes down to the preposterous idea that value is a social construct and could have equally decided to have a world where cashiers are paid more than engineers and would have done so if brown women were engineers and white men were cashiers.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:06am
- R
  
  Pay equity is another avenue by unions to impliment the Universal Basic Income policies of the Marxist ideological Labour Party. An attempt by Unions to use the ‘back door’ approach to Nirvana. No such thing as value for productive effort.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    But wait unil after next years General Election now that Labour are talking into association with TPM, and the Greens will follow as long as they get what THEY want.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:23pm
- Bullion
  
  Because there is a monopsony, the Govt.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:27am
grumpy

Count NZ Herald, Stuff and TVNZ amongst the guilty. Reports of tennis crowd booing Trump false…fake news.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/oops-trump-hating-msnbc-host-sets-record-straight/
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September 9, 2025 8:06am
- Scott
  
  grumpy – I’ve basically given up on the NZ media when it comes to reporting about President Trump. I know that in his first term he didn’t do a single thing right according to the NZ media. That was in marked contrast to president Obama who in his eight years in office didn’t do a single thing wrong according to the NZ media.
  
  I’ve yet to see a positive Trump story in the NZ media this term either?
  
  I think the main thing to understand about the mainstream media of which the NZ media is a part, is that they have a predetermined narrative. All reporting must fit the narrative.
  The NZ media’s narrative was that Obama was a historic president and a wonderful example to the world. So according to the NZ media he didn’t do a single wrong thing in eight years in office.
  Whereas with Trump the narrative is, Donald Trump is a horrible person and totally unfit to be president of the United States. So to my knowledge he’s never had a positive story in the NZ media yet.
  
  The majority of NZers don’t trust the mainstream media and they are right not to do so.
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Obama was lauded all the time including the Nobel Prize in almost day one because he represented the Afro American.
    Nothing else of notice.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:04am
    - Wandering Star
      
      I’m a disillusioned former Trump “fan.” Eventually, I came to recognise that Trump has been generally hugely disappointing. Can you please explain what exactly Trump has done in his two terms to make America great again?
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:11am
      - Interested Party
        
        You sir have obviously not been following events, or only watch TV1 news, or it’s a bit of sarcastic humour – I can’t work out which one
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:51am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Interested Party
        Any specifics would be appreciated. Thank you.
        
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        September 9, 2025 1:49pm
    - Phronesis
      
      “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:14am
    - David Garrett
      
      Paulus: Obama survived two terms in office. For a black man, that was some achievement. I always expected some racist nut to assassinate him. Who knows how many attempts there were which were foiled either by the Secret Service or the FBI.
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:16am
      - Conservatarian
        
        We’d have heard ad nauseum about any plot to get at Obama.
        
        As opposed to the jaw-dropping incompetence (error upon error upon error) of the Secret Service in July 2024 at Butler, Pennsylvania, as they did all they could to allow Trump to be assassinated?
        
        Almost all details about Thomas Crooks, the would-be Butler assassin, have been tightly sealed.
        
        Trump’s political opponents, naturally, waited for just a few days until they restarted their campaign (calling Trump a Nazi and a fascist). A few months later, another man attempted to murder Trump on a golf course. The FBI released a few details about this crazed leftist just so the people felt they were being a bit more transparent.
        
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        September 9, 2025 10:29am
      - David Garrett
        
        Conserve: Yep, that was pretty serious incompetence at Butler Pa. I am not a conspiracy theorist, so I put what happened down to incompetence. I imagine some heads rolled at the Secret Service and/or the FBI.
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:11am
      - imalwaysright
        
        DG
        
        “I am not a conspiracy theorist”
        
        In the old days it was called “being suspicious” but that couldn’t be reinterpreted as a derogatory label.
        
        Therefore we have now a term that is not only derogatory, but also a term of ridicule which these days seems to carry more weight.
        
        There’s nothing wrong with being a conspiracy theorist as long as you stick to the facts…. ironically .
        
        I’m one, and I’m rarely wrong.
        
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        September 9, 2025 12:05pm
      - Sir Henry Morgan
        
        Obama is mixed race. He’s half black.
        
        Didn’t he change his name to something more ‘black’? He grew up as Barry or something.
        
        The whole fuss about Obama’s race is so overdone.
        
        Truly absurd though was his wife banging on about how she worries about her daughter (not only female – females are vanishingly unlikely to end up shot by police – but also daughter of the US President) being randomly shot by a racist police officer whenever she leaves the house. You just couldn’t make this stuff up. It’s comedy of the highest order.
        
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        September 9, 2025 6:50pm
  - Conservatarian
    
    Note that the Woke Era of social justice progressivism aka Gay Race Communism emerged into the mainstream under Obama. Many of the most egregious, objective reality-bending and West-hating movements of this era were birthed and / or mainstreamed after Obama’s re-election in 2012 e.g. Black Lives Matter and the trans ideology. His election platform went from a traditional concept of unity in 2008 to his multi-racial “coalition of the oppressed” in 2012 on the belief that “demographics is destiny” and the Democrats owned votes of the ascendant demographics (college educated women and all minorities, plus the population effects of illegals).
    
    He was injected into popular culture as the cool guy, but in reality was the first America hating president. Note that I don’t believe Biden hates America but he was never actually in charge. Those who were exercising power while wearing the “Biden Presidency” skin suit were also America haters.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:35am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Obama wasn’t in charge either. None of them are. But “his” agenda must have suited those who are, or else he wouldn’t have been allowed to be president for 8 years.
      
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      September 9, 2025 1:53pm
  - Philview
    
    I recently got a new laptop with an Msn browser and constant live feed of negative Trump stories. They are significant donors to Democrats. Whatever our thoughts on Trump we shouldn’t be subjected to the political inclinations of an IT company. How many other businesses sell you a product and ram their political bias down their customers throats? I have changed my browser to Google Chrome. They also donate to the Democrats but at least they don’t bombard me with political messaging.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:36am
    - Ghost
      
      In the top right of edge you will see a cog, click on it and turn the news feed off
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:02am
  - David George
    
    Reality is bigger than anything but the lies (AKA “The Narrative”) must be perpetuated, truth be damned.
    The trans shooter that killed those kids at a Catholic school had them compromised. For a few seconds.
    
    “Robert [Robin] Westwood had written ‘Kill Donald Trump’ on his gun. Now, how could they report that without pushing a characterisation that would help the current US President (aka ‘Hitler’)? Well, one of the terrestrial, long-standing main US TV networks tried to square that circle by reporting that the murderer had ‘Donald Trump’s name on his gun’. ”
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/09/our-doublethink-legacy-media/
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:42am
- Flossie
  
  There were thousands present at the tennis, and I imagine millions more would have seen what was happening on TV so pretty hard to pretend things did or did not happen.
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:45am
  - RoboRob
    
    Do you recall ‘lets go Brandon?
    
    On live TV from a large sporting event the reporter claimed the crowd was chanting ‘lets go Brandon’ when it was clear to all that they were chanting ‘Fuck Joe Biden’.
    
    What about the ‘mostly peaceful protests’ during black lives matters riots, where buildings burned in the background?
    
    What about the ‘There is no inflation’, then there ‘is some inflation but it is transient’.
    
    What about ‘there are no men competing in womans sport’, that changed to ‘Woman are as competitive as men so there is nothing wrong with trans woman in womens sport’. I believe we are now waiting on studies to determine whether men and woman are or are not equal in sport 🙂
    
    I don’t know anything about this tennis event but I guarantee you the media talking heads are perfectly happy to lie to your face even when they know you know better.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:06am
  - Bullion
    
    Yeah, its hard to believe booing didn’t happen when videos from people attending pop up in your social feeds
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:31am
- MCōs
  
  Trump may or may not have had a hostile reaction from the crowd, but I don’t really know what else him and his entourage were there for other than wind up New York, which is a strongly democrat
  https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/1964828902335082711?s=46&t=XZLqGbhN-xeYzprhTaktsg
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:38am
  - Scott
    
    Umm – normally it would be seen as a great honour for the president of the United States to attend. Now if it had been president Obama then the coverage would have been extremely positive and anyone who booed would be labelled a racist. 🤔
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:45am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Scott.
      
      I sense that you didn’t like Obama but think Trump is the goods and the MSM don’t understand. Possibly you might have mentioned something like this once or twice – or umpty gazillion times. Endless repetition of your own beliefs is not generally accepted as the kind of “debate” strategy that changes anyone’s opinion …. 🙂
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:23am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        [Mod – at least try debating Ian’s comment]
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:37am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Ian, is this like your oft-repeated view on tax that capital equals income?
        
        You know, despite several hundred years of jurisprudence confirming that capital and income are in fact EXACT OPPOSITES.
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:39am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @conso
        
        Touche.
        
        We can be proud of being one the small number of countries following these hundreds of years of jurisprudence (HOYJ). Not like them ignorant Marxists in the USA, Canada, UK, Oz etc ….
        
        Generally HOYJ doesn’t figure in the arguments from the anti-CGT folk – “inflation yadda yadda”, “envy tax yadda yadda” and “tax paid income yadda yadda”. We don’t account for inflation in PAYE or GST and I guess progressive income tax could have the “envy” label attached. BTW noone ever suggests that the rate should be 100% …. 🙂
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:59am
      - Scott
        
        Ian, my dear fellow. You might say my “endless repetition”. I might say my “admirable consistency”. 😁
        
        But yes I do think Trump is awesome, JD Vance heading towards awesome and Joe Biden, never awesome at all.
        
        [Mod – we are a political blog, not a church group].
        Chris Luxon not awesome but not terrible either. David Seymour doing a lot of awesome things. Also Winston!
        
        And my pick for the least awesome person in politics in recent times?
        I would have to go with Jacinda. 😎
        
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        September 9, 2025 12:41pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        I think it’s fair to say from the coverage I saw that some booed, and some gave hum a standing ovation. Given this was a Democrat stronghold, I’d say a pretty gutsy move.
        
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        September 9, 2025 1:25pm
      - Local Miller
        
        mods [take your complaint to DPF – Mod ]
        
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        September 9, 2025 5:10pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Thanks Ian. I have saved your comment, and will fire it straight back at you the next time (and every time thereafter) that you criticise anyone on the Right.
        
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        September 9, 2025 6:39pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Watched Trump at the uS open and no he was not booed, he spent the whole time signing hats and other wears
  
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  September 9, 2025 6:54pm
Cassandra

I’ve now read the Gluckman report on universities. Gluckman chaired a well-qualified committee and the Minister has accepted some of its recommendations.

I was struck by a consistent theme: every entity recommended included the appointment of a Maori. No other race is specified.

It seems to be a standard inclusion, a knee jerk – in NZ if you have a committee it’s got to include a Maori, often a representative of the local tribe. Article 4 of the ToW.
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September 9, 2025 8:07am
- Conservatarian
  
  Gluckman knows all too well how to ride the government gravy train in NZ: government dials up the approved expert to say an approved thing (Maori this, climate change that), state that the science on this issue is settled, watch the other approved heads solemnly nod, and then sit back and receive the sweet sweet moolah.
  
  We like to blame “diversity” for the crisis of competency in this country, but that’s only part of the problem. This the Expert opinion industry, where troughers are gonna trough.
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Diversity, except in thought
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:44pm
- JerJer
  
  Are you saying he is recommending this stupidity or consistently finding it in his review ?
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:25am
  - Cassandra
    
    The report recommends establishing a number of boards and committees. It recommends the membership. All of them include a Maori; no other qualifications. The person’s task is to be the Maori on the board. Some might say in the storefront.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:17am
  - R
    
    Glickman ‘s report is very clear, he is referring to entities which he consulted, many of which were of the opinion that there should always be a Maori member. An opinion is not the same as a researched fact. Remember that this was related to a University group, not the general public
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:06am
  - Keith White
    
    “And.”
    
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    September 9, 2025 8:41pm
- pdm
  
  Cass – there are often full voting rights but, no accountability for those virtue signalling, token, appointments.
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:37am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  “No other race is specified.”
  
  Yes well the Crown is not in “partnership” with any other ethnic group. The government had the opportunity to change this with the Treaty Principles Bill. That was rejected.
  
  Blame Chris Luxon. The author of this report is simply responding to a framework accepted by the government.
  
  It is now even money at best if the government will retain office next year. If they lose, Chris Luxon will be remembered as the PM who squandered golden opportunities to fix the nation. It may well have been the last chance if the Greens and the Maori Party heavily influence policy post 2026.
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:50am
  - pdm
    
    Niko – The Crown is not, or should not be, in partnership with any ethnic group.
    
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    September 9, 2025 9:12am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Well it is. Chris Luxon rejected a Bill to change that. That seems definitive.
      
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      September 9, 2025 9:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Nikola, we have a coalition-government system under the MMP electoral system.
        
        It’s pointless to blame Luxon, who’s doing a great but hard job in holding together a non-Left coalition.
        
        A Luxon replacement, probably Nicola Willis or Chris Bishop, would lead to decades of Left-Green government.
        
        One-party governments, like Ardern’s, will always be exceptions under MMP.
        
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        September 9, 2025 10:22am
      - cmm
        
        In theory, this “partnership” is with the individual tribes – not an ethnic group as a whole.
        
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        September 9, 2025 10:39am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Correct. His public stance was to reject the bill out of hand. Didn’t even want to support its basic premise.
        
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        September 9, 2025 10:40am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Seems, that if one believes the Polls, the Prime Minister is the Captain of a Coalition Titanic steaming straight towards the iceberg known as the 2026 election.
        
        If only he would listen to the “”lookouts”” voters and change course 15 degrees to starboard.
        
        But the silly billy is suffering Management Bias. ie I must be right so let’s keep crashing on.
        
        This is a noticeable fault from CEOS who drive their companies to failing hugely!!!
        
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        September 9, 2025 5:27pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        [ Mod – if you don’t want to debate stuff you will be directed to some other blog for a while … it’s fun to tell – but a bit tedious – to hear in colorful terms – about who you don’t like ]
        
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        September 9, 2025 6:55pm
- cmm
  
  C’mon we all know that Being Maori is a qualification in itself.
  
  Maori have a natural affinity with nature, water, balanced society, etc etc. They do not need bits of paper to prove this.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:06am
  - R
    
    Sadly, within our public this is a perceived fact. A display of a lack of lateral in depth thinking skills.
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:09am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Indeed… it was all poi dancing and stick games before the nasty honkey arrived and introduced violence into Maori society.
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:21am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, only the influence of Nasty White Man could have caused the peaceful haka to be turned into a war dance.
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:19am
    - Paulus
      
      And Cannibalism is a just a Maori myth !
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:29pm
      - NeonTeepee
        
        And they did have the wheel. No, honestly…. (they didn’t even have the wheel)
        
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        September 9, 2025 7:22pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Treating ethnic groups equally in spite of their differences was a noble idea that caught on briefly during the 20th century. Looks like we are going back to the old way of treating different ethnic groups on their merits. History shows us that every group ultimately finds its natural level in such hierarchies.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:31am
- ISeeRed
  
  The takeover is nearly complete.
  
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  September 9, 2025 12:54pm
Conservatarian

Leftist corporate press in the US studiously playing down (or ignoring) the black-on-white murder on a train in downtown Charlotte, North Carolina.

Local homeless mentally ill career criminal walks up to a young woman on a train and viciously stabs her in the neck three times. It’s brutal and appalling and all caught on CCTV. The poor girl is a Ukrainian refugee, so there’s even an angle there for the press to pretend that she’s not simply just a privileged white woman.

Left wing journactivists exercising their most powerful muscle: selective noticing.
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September 9, 2025 8:12am
- Hammie
  
  Sorry down ticked by accident
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:01am
- Wandering Star
  
  The only genuine category of open racial hatred and associated hate crimes in the US is anti-White, typically perpetrated by Blacks. It’s also the one that is the least talked about, and that’s just because it is genuine. All of the other alleged racial hatreds are extremely rare to non-existent, yet we frequently hear about them. Often in these cases, the blame is pointed at White people. In all but the rarest cases, this framing simply is not real.
  
  If a White guy had attacked and murdered a Black woman by brutally stabbing her in the neck for no reason on public transport, and there was a graphic video of the incident, it would be George Floyd on steroids. We all know this is the case.
  
  But because it’s a Black as usual and because the victim is White as usual (and a Ukrainian female, no less, which should firmly place her as a victim even before she was sacrificed on the alter of diversiy), nothing is done or said about it.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The biggest threat to safety of a black American is other black Americans.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:15pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Imalways: the same applies to Maori in NZ: A young Maori male is many times more likely to be assaulted by another young Maori male than anyone else.
      
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      September 9, 2025 1:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      In New Zealand it is different but is Women against Women, now that men have been subsumed.
      This the fact that over many thousands of years women have disliked men first, and then women.
      Life is a changing in New Zealand rapidly and currently and in years to come will hit the fan by those who have and those who do not.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:33pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    The fatigue is real.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:56pm
- kowtow
  
  Ah the media and other activists made damn sure the name of a drug addled career criminal would live forever , Iryna Zarutska , barely a mention.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:07am
- cmm
  
  13% of the wizards cast 80% of the spells.
  
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  September 9, 2025 11:22am
  - Conservatarian
    
    Great euphemism. Especially comprehensible to the young ‘uns for whom the only books ever written were the Harry Potter series.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:45am
- Allan
  
  A correction;
  
  He was sitting in a subway carriage seat.
  
  She boarded the carriage and sat in front of him.
  
  4 minutes into the journey, he pulls out and unfolds a pocket knife.
  
  He stands up behind her and murders her as described.
  
  Then removes his distinctive red hoody, conceals the knife and exits the train.
  
  Multiple previous offences.
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:48pm
Simon

Occupy Wall Street to LGBT. How international capital directed and controlled the left. Greens, with Doyle front and centre humiliated. He is gone now but Greens and left are broken by international capital.

International capital were threatened by Occupy Wall Street. So they influenced and promoted LGBT and the left become all about that.

“JPMorgan Chase demonstrates support for the LGBT community through its business practices, employee resource groups, and community partnerships, including perfect scores on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index, offering financial and educational resources to LGBTQ+ entrepreneurs, and partnering with organizations to honor and support the community.”

This is the level of the Greens.
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September 9, 2025 8:12am
- Conservatarian
  
  I listen to Tim Pool, who at the time of Occupy Wall Street made his name as a new media / citizen journo (you know, being honest) effectively live streaming and commentating on the demonstrations. Pool has become socially conservative as he has aged, married and become a father (he is nearing 40 now) .
  
  He has noted repeatedly that Occupy Wall Street itself quickly became divided by social justice progressivism (though this was before the “Golden Era” started for woke). To the point that some demonstrators camping out were raped by opportunistic criminals, and of course the victims sided with the criminals on race issues because of the fear of being accused of racism.
  
  Mentally ill communist women (such as the Greens’ primary constituency) are a wonderful example of Stockholm Syndrome.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:19am
- Boy Geoff
  
  All just part of creative destruction isn’t it…?
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:57am
Damocles11

Looks like there are quite a few latent or actual ‘sovereign citizens’ frequenting this site. The narrative goes that if you don’t like the government and its agencies and you don’t like the court system, at any time you can opt out of your responsibilities as a citizen and go rogue, arm yourself, and commit criminal acts with impunity. If you do feel the desire to no longer abide by the law as you feel personally that it is unjust, you ‘must be left alone’ and allowed to act without any regard for laws or any societal norms, so long as you personally feel that your actions are righteous and justified. If you want to forcibly take the property of another law abiding person, you should be allowed to do so completely unmolested by those charged with upholding law & order, so long as you personally feel that your cause is a good one.
Despite the unsavoury political and racial undertones being injected into this sorry saga by those latent ‘sovereign citizens’ that dwell on the fringe of mainstream politics, we don’t know a thing about the political leanings of the man at the centre of the whole business. We do, however, have the standard large helpings of rumour and innuendo that seem to invariably muddy the waters of every major criminal case in New Zealand. Kiwi’s will ignore mountains of hard evidence in favour of latching on to a juicy countervailing rumour.
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September 9, 2025 8:15am
- Southern Raider
  
  [Mod – we aren’t doing rumors on the mother, if you try again you will get a holiday]
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:59am
- RoboRob
  
  What makes you say that, I don’t see any posts here suggesting people stop following the law and become vigilantes?
  
  The sort of ‘ends justifies the means’ rhetoric is traditionally a leftwing view. I have no idea on the general leaning of sovereign citizens but I imagine the tend heavily towards the left. The ones I have seen are often hippies. Yes I am sure there are some extremists that identify as right wing.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:10am
- kowtow
  
  D11
  
  I couldn’t agree more.
  
  The outcome was a police officer , alone at night , doing his duty , shot .
  
  And yet a significant number of posters here couldn’t get past their deeply held and frankly weird prejudices .
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:22am
  - Allan
    
    Not sure he was alone. Somebody shot back, successfully.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:05pm
    - kowtow
      
      He was alone when setting up . Yes there was back up , thankfully . It appears the back up neutralised the murderous threat .
      
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      September 9, 2025 6:40pm
- R
  
  Agree with this accurate summary of the reality of the mindset of elements of our society. Very sad really
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:15am
- lifesgood
  
  Well that’s 10 people who support criminals, hate the police and don’t care about kids.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:44am
Scooter

I think I’ve worked out why Peeni Henare lost, it’s the Jacinda effect. She endorsed him in an Instagram post and previously when she endorsed Efeso Collins for the Auckland mayoralty and he lost. Poison chalice.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOIh7Dcgsgy/?igsh=MTJndHl4Y2Nzd3VuNw==
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September 9, 2025 8:23am
- RoboRob
  
  Labour are usually good at turning out reluctant voters. I am surprised he lost. A suggestion from a work mate is that perhaps Labour didn’t want to win it?
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:14am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Highly likely not all is as it seems with Willie Jackson’s Maori labour cartel in control of that party and very very good friend with Tamihere in TPM.
    Jackson is too cunning to have had a candidate lose like that unintentionally.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:22am
- pdm
  
  scooter – more than a few of us here said Ardern’s endorsement would be `the kiss of death’ for Henare.
  
  Perceptive weren’t we. lol.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:14am
- cmm
  
  Maybe that was a teenie contribution.
  Others might be:
  * Being useless.
  * Not being the incumbent. He’d already lost an election.
  * The opposition was replacing a like-for-like: Youngish female Maori with female Maori.
  * TPM support is up amongst the young female Maori who would be far more likely to vote for a another young female Maori.
  * Oriini Kaipara has good public recognition from her TV career.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:16am
- rouppe
  
  Personally, I think it was planned. Henare remains in parliament. The [Mod – deleted] party gets another (red beret wearing, therefore violence promoting, hard left Marxist) activist in parliament.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:27am
  - Quail
    
    Hanare still in Parliament.
    How can NZ voters pick someone to actually represent them?
    Answer they can’t!
    MMP is totally undemocratic.
    And also an absolute disgrace!
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Voter turnout for the election was 27.1 percent.’
  
  Perhaps it was cos basically not enough of ’em cared or could be even arsed.
  
  So much for the sacred race seats.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:29am
- Philview
  
  He lost because Labour voters stayed away. Maybe it was a sympathy thing given the nature of the by-election. Then again I am trying to apply a rational mind to this.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:41am
- AitchW
  
  Or was it because he was a dreadful candidate?
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps it was because he is the wrong kind of
    Maori !
    Male and no Moko.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:37pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Next October Chippie will be your PM and ruining the country with Chloe Swarbrick as your beloved Finance Minister according to Tax Payer Union poll… Go figure….
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September 9, 2025 8:39am
- cmm
  
  Chippie won’t win the election.
  Luxon will lose it.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The way ACT are dropping they won’t even be in parliament next term
    
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    September 9, 2025 7:02pm
- RoboRob
  
  Thats the fear. Some have been warning that the coalition government needs to change things up or risk losing next year.
  
  I heard Luxon on the radio this morning arguing against Act and NZFs suggestion of a ‘values statement for immigants’.
  
  ‘Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told Morning Report New Zealand already had a citizenship oath that migrants made upon citizenship.
  
  “Migrants make a great contribution to this country, I think we’ve actually managed immigration well under successive governments because it has been smart, it has been legal and it has been linked to the economic agenda,” he said’
  
  He may be right (I agree with him, this is more virtue signalling from the right) but why argue against something that likely has majority support? Poor politics, as usual.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:18am
  - Wandering Star
    
    A “values statement for immigrants”? The only value we need to assert and adopt vis a vis immigrants is that we’ve already got far too many of them. Packing as many different people from as many different places as possible into New Zealand is not a policy – its national suicide. This is an empirical, as well as an ideological, argument. There is abundant evidence that diversity makes our countries worse.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:04pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      Indeed. The conversation needs to be about reducing or stopping immigration, deporting criminal migrants, and enforcing assimilation – Indians in particular love arranged marriages, so that last bit should be very doable.
      
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      September 9, 2025 7:05pm
- Mod88
  
  Believe me you are more accurate than you know if Duncan garner’s National Party insider is to be believed….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BuJWU_XwxM
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:43am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wow that was brutal. No further comment needed.
    
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    September 9, 2025 3:05pm
- peterwn
  
  A swallow does not make spring. The show ain’t over until the fat lady has sung.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:50am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Then let us wait to hear Negan Woods sing….
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:04am
  - R
    
    Politically, Jim Bolger got into trouble with that true statement
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:17am
  - AitchW
    
    Wait for the government to start spreading the love next year. Lots of new initiatives and increased spending. Then watch the polls turn.
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:21am
    - cmm
      
      … while simultaneously tub-thumping about savings, being tough on crime, etc etc…
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:50am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    It’ll be a waiata.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:23am
Frank the tank

I sit with frustration every time I read commentary regarding the cost of living and/or the current economic conditions. Let’s be honest this was the entirely predicted outcome from our economic, political and social response during CovidCult.

Let’s summarise:
1). Printed money like a third world country such as Zimbabwe
2). Locked off the country from the world and thumbed our nose at any sort of immigration/tourism/economic investment by making it extremely difficult.
3). Massive increase in government (both local and central) spending – mainly on garbage or circular job creation (i.e. taxation dependent jobs)
4). Embarked on a number of investment projects without proper due diligence, costings nor management that didn’t have funding locking in for the life of the project.
5). Dramatically increased the minimum wage, public service salaries, increased sick leave and public holiday allowances without a corresponding increase in economic performance
6). Paid for all of this by increased debt.

Did people not see the Ambulance hurtling towards the cliff with no braking and why are we now surprised it is at the bottom of the cliff in a dumpster fire in a million pieces.

There is no silver bullet, there is no way to fix this mess. It is just a long-term workout coupled with lots of little improvements over at least a decade-level timeline.

And importantly, despite the faults of this government and the Prime Minister – NOT OF THEIR MAKING.
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- artemisia
  
  And the downstream impact of large retailers laying off staff, closing stores.
  
  Retail NZ chief executive Carolyn Young said the majority of New Zealand retailers were far from optimistic with two un-named large retailers preparing to lay off staff and cut costs. “We know through our advice line that we’ve had a lot of calls about restructures, stores closing, a lot of HR issues in terms of managing performance …
  
  Sounds like New Zealand is well over-shopped, but also note that last reference to what looks like a real problem for employers. ‘Managing performance ‘is HR speak for how do we get shot of below-average-heading-towards-hopeless employees. What took them so long?
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Good point: NZ is “over-shopped.”
    
    Still, Finance Minister Willis wants to bring in more retailers.
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:00am
    - peterwn
      
      Only supermarkets, she is not trying to bring in other retailers. A reason NZ is overshopped is the growth of malls to the detriment of traditional shopping areas. Arguably Auckland Transport and Auckland Council urban designers have struck the likes of Queen Street a serious blow with misguided planning and changes.
      
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      September 9, 2025 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    Retail hires the cheapest staff they can find to do the job.
    There is a payback curve of quality vs price.
    As the markets move, so do these curves and the quality of staff needed to provide value moves too. An employee that might have been just above the line might now be just below the line (or substantially below the line).Then you’re stuck with staff that are no longer valuable.
    
    An example might be if a retail area (eg. menswear in Farmers) was busy and needed 3 staff on the floor at a time. You could do that with one senior person and two less capable people who need a bit of supervision. Then the business drops off and you have too many staff. You still need a competent person, but the less competent people need to be managed out of the door.
    
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    September 9, 2025 10:01am
    - artemisia
      
      Back in the day there was a story doing the rounds about an employee in a chain dress shop in Auckland. The other shop assistants complained she was not pulling her weight and action was needed.
      
      The boss took a quiet look and very quickly discovered that the subject of the complaint far exceeded sales of the others. When the boss asked how come, the employee replied “I listen’.
      
      Who were the empty vessels?
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:11am
      - sirknz
        
        Apart from the dress shop aspect, you’re describing my experience at a store I once worked at when I was much younger.
        
        Had a manager once tell me that I wasn’t pulling my weight, he was right. I was carrying along about four or five other people in the store based off my sales figures and repeat customers alone, never mind that my specifc area of responsibility was selling through nicely. I thanked him by going to work for the opposition.
        
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        September 9, 2025 11:55am
    - kowtow
      
      but the less competent people need to be managed out of the door…….
      
      …….and find their way into the public “service”.
      
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      September 9, 2025 10:22am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Are we over-shopped or is it a case in point the economics of retail spending in New Zealand aren’t working due to relative high costs and low margins.
    
    Another lingering effect of our collective response during CovidCult.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps it is also because we we have one of the highest Minimum Wages in the OECD, and lowest productivity.
    Gosh, aren’t we clever ?
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:40pm
- Ultima
  
  7) A gullible, stupid, and brainwashed population voted for all of the above.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:29am
- Philview
  
  In 2022/23 inflation was running at crazy levels. I know it was reported by the media at the time but I think they are playing out an agenda to imply we are sitting in a worse cost of living crisis today. Inflation is under control and interest rates are coming down. Political polls indicate that on just about every metric people would trust Labour over National. The constant media attacks have worked and we are on the verge of an extreme Left wing Government coming to power next year.
  
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  September 9, 2025 9:48am
- R
  
  Frank! The ambulance was full of adherents, who were busy celebrating their imagined political victory; and didn’t know about the looming cliff in their road
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:21am
- AitchW
  
  All excellent and valid points. But when your groceries are over $300 a week and your income is static it’s hard to feel generous toward the gummint.
  Wait for the lolly scramble from the gummint mid next year.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:23am
  - R
    
    Aitch, ….stop reading, and/or listening to the MSM. You will feel a lot more relaxed and find some enjoyment in life, while the Luxon lead coalition govt manages the country out of the morass that the Ardern/Hipkins lead tribe left us with.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:21pm
    - AitchW
      
      R, on the contrary, I’m quite relaxed about the ability of the right to win next year. Their efforts to turn the juggernaut which is Labour’s appalling mis-management of the economy will finally start to near fruit, educational outcomes will improve and even the health system will show signs of improving.
      In the face of these improvements Labour, the Greens and TMP will become increasingly unhinged.
      NZF will try to distinguish itself from its 2 current coalition partners by becoming more xenophobic.
      All in all I’m pretty relaxed.
      
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      September 9, 2025 3:07pm
      - R
        
        Good to hear Aitch. For what it is worth, so am I
        
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        September 9, 2025 7:37pm
- JerJer
  
  Exactly, if you did/understood the following during the Jacinda years of the CovidCult you are sitting pretty right now.
  
  i) Didn’t take CovidHandouts (that you now have to pay back, with interest).
  ii) Ignored most of the rules and carried on life as normal.
  iii) Realised that borrowing heaps of money to pump into the housing market at low interest rates was a terrible idea (this would create fake market).
  iv) Understood that most economists have zero clues and low interest rates were not going to last forever.
  v) Fixed your mortgage at historic lows for the longest period possible and increased payments at the same time.
  vi) Invested in stocks when fear gripped the market.
  vii) Understand that massive borrowing and low interest rates mean high inflation and a low currency (leading to more inflation).
  
  Doing all or (or understanding) most of the above, you are fine right now.
  
  If you listened to the BS, borrowed heaps and are now underwater on a house (and maybe a car or boat too), and paying back Covid handouts ant high interest rates, you are stuffed, and that is on you for listening to idiots.
  
  I find it quite comical the comments I read on stuff where people bleat about the cost of living and somehow it’s all Chris Luxon’s fault. Some people have no clue (actually most people).
  
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  September 9, 2025 12:37pm
- mogg
  
  Borrowed billions and sprayed the money around like water, year to March 2023 12.1% food inflation,
  
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  September 9, 2025 3:24pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  The issues may not be of the current government’s making, but did the opposition act like an opposition during COVID? They seemed to eagerly support every idiotic policy, but just banged on about how they would do it all more efficiently. And what have their really done to reverse the nonsense? Nothing much from what I can see. Rates are out of control. The public sector is packed with useless people doing useless jobs when they could be picking fruit so we don’t need to import foreigners to do that. The government continues to communicate in a weird mix of Maori and English. Activist judges on the “Supreme Court” (whatever that even is. . . ) continue to thumb their noses at parliament, while more junior judges set criminals free to predate on normal people (stuff the human rights of crime victims, its all about the right of the criminals). A sleazily dishonest and sub-competent Reserve Bank runs rings around the finance minister and everyone pretends this is acceptable. Yeah, Luxon ponces around in his tight suit saying he’s “relaxed” about the ongoing dumpster fire and his top secret plan will soon be delivering results. Surely only idiots buy it? There have been so many areas where the government could have turned things around and they’ve done stuff all.
  
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  September 9, 2025 7:15pm
Sparrow

I realise that matters at the Family Court are private. However before the Family Court decision were the children living with Tom Philips ? Was he estranged from his partner ? Trying to understand the background to this tragedy.
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September 9, 2025 9:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Sparrow: I am not entirely sure on this, but IIRC Phillips had sole custody of the children. The reason for that most unusual departure from the norm is unclear, but there are rumours of drug use on the part of the mother. I have no idea if they are correct or not.
  
  She then apparently successfully applied to the Family Court for limited custody of the kids. Phillips wasn’t prepared to have them in her care for any length of time and that’s when he went bush.
  
  I stress I know no more about this sad affair than has become public knowledge.
  
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  September 9, 2025 11:47am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    DG – guess if the detective leading the case stated he had lawful custody initially your recall can’t be that bad, however circumstances somehow changed between then and Oct 2024.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-commissioner-richard-chambers-blasts-fugitive-tom-phillips-supporters-over-hero-claims/BODLDQKYBJBQFDUNTK5WOB42WQ/
    
    “Saunders said at the time that Phillips “had lawful custody” when he first went missing. He no longer had custody when Saunders spoke in October 2024.”
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some answers here:
  
  Before their disappearance, Tom Phillips lived in Ōtorohanga in New Zealand’s Waikato region with his three children.[1][2] They also spent much of their time at the family farm in Marokopa. Phillips had been separated from his wife Catherine for several years and was homeschooling the children
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_family_disappearances
  
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  September 9, 2025 2:24pm
- Southern Raider
  
  There is a news article from last October at the Police are quoted in which is clear Tom had full custody originally which is counter to what many online claim.
  
  Between what is reported and reading between the lines it seems
  – Tom had legal full custody for a couple of years
  – Something then going through Family Court which he didn’t agree with
  – He took the kids (he still had legal custody at this stage) into the bush for 3 weeks in 2021 and the mother reported to Police they were missing and Police started search party
  – At end of 3 weeks Tom and the kids walked out of the bush and Police charged him with “wasting Police resources”
  – He was supposed to appear in court on these charges and didn’t turn up.
  – He then went bush for 4 years and not sure if it was at this stage or when charged by Police that custody was moved to his parents
  
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  September 9, 2025 3:51pm
imalwaysright

Sean Plunket asked Stewart Nash live on the Platform an hour ago “What is a woman?”

Nash answered “Someone with a pair of tits and a pu**y ”

Nash rang back and said his wife was giving him grief and could Plunket edit it out.
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September 9, 2025 9:34am
- R
  
  Another ‘class’ politician from the Labour Party.
  
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  September 9, 2025 12:12pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, R
    
    I wonder if that’s how he considers his female relatives.
    
    He strikes me as the type who thinks a man has to shock people to give the impression that he is manly.
    
    If he said that in front of me, my wife, and daughter, he would suffer many variations of disdain.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:51pm
- wsk12345
  
  As she should. Reducing women to sexual organs is just offensive. Does he not want the female vote?
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:37pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    A culture of not wanting to upset women is one of the reasons for our predicament. Have you ever met a woman? Everything upsets them.
    
    The obvious solution is to deny women the vote, that way we can say what we like.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:10pm
- Conservatarian
  
  I’m just catching up with this. Nash’s comments were crass or inartful, however you want to describe them. Nash obviously consulted some wise counsel (his wife) who correctly told him that he looks like a plonker for the comments.
  
  A would-be politician who appears on The Plaform or RCR should know to expect such a query and should have a response ready to go. I suggest “adult human female” is a pretty safe option for Nash’s constituency as because it will annoy all the trans activist lunatics.
  
  Still, directionally, Nash is far more correct than Hipkins who stammered on about “anyone who says they are a woman” when asked the exact same question by Plunket.
  
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  September 9, 2025 3:49pm
Maggie's ex partner

I’m uncomfortable with how the Tom Phillips story has ended. It reminds me of the end of the Wellington protests – a sudden redefinition of how bad the “bad guys” were followed by decisive action to bring matters to a conclusion.
Yes, he shot a cop – but we will never know the full details of the circumstances surrounding that.
I’m not endorsing anything he did, I’m just uncomfortable with the conclusion
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September 9, 2025 9:34am
- alloytoo
  
  You are not alone.
  
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  September 9, 2025 11:39am
  - Maggie's ex partner
    
    the latest snippet of news, that he had a ‘stockpile of arms’ reeks of narrative – why not just detail the number of weapons? Stockpile sounds so much more substantial than 3 or 4.
    Mind you, back when journos were competent, they would have asked
    
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    September 9, 2025 1:21pm
    - Southern Raider
      
      That reference to guns in the campsite where the kids were found pissed me off. Media has made it out that it’s bad parenting to have guns around kids. They were living off the land, how else were they supposed to get meat? Chase rabbits with chopsticks?
      
      It might shock city folk but most kids growing up on a farm would still grow up around guns and would probably have fired a 22 and even a shotgun before they are 10 years old
      
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      September 9, 2025 3:55pm
    - GJM
      
      I am sure he had them all registered. After all, wasn’t the firearms register supposed to stop gun crime?
      In fact, it is compulsory to notify the police of a change of address. Why didn’t hey just look up the register and go there to arrest Mr Phillips in the last 4 years?
      
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      September 9, 2025 4:36pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Heard the commissioner on the radio he suggested he had an assault rifle
      
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      September 9, 2025 7:12pm
- Jethrod
  
  This is how conspiracy theories start. Comparing the Phillips case to something in Wellington that the divine Ambassador to Ireland(the former speaker) caused to happen in defence of his leader(JA), is completely wrong. A political stunt pulled off and spun to the Nth degree.
  The other is a family issue that obviously got out of hand and was being handled with kid gloves, until it wasn’t.
  The only uncomfortable thing to me is the comparison of the two.
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    In Jethrod’s 1.34 post …the divine Ambassador to Ireland(the former speaker)…
    
    Winston Peters fired Trevor Mallard as NZ ambassador to the Republic of Ireland.
    
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360795907/winston-peters-replaces-trevor-mallard-ambassador-dublin
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:15pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Thank you for that contribution, but however Maggie’s ex was referring to the Wellington protest which Mallard had control over. He was the Speaker who eventually became Ambassador before he did anything else shameful.
      I was attempting to be polite when referring to him as divine.//
      
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      September 9, 2025 4:16pm
- Wandering Star
  
  All I’ll add is that nobody loves an “unhinged nut” more than the authorities. The last thing they want is reasonable people with justified greivances. They can shoot and bury the former with no questions to be answered; they can’t do that with the latter.
  
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  September 9, 2025 2:14pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    Reminds one of the absurd decision to make possession of Tarrant’s cut-and-paste ‘manifesto’ illegal. Nobody was supposed to know he was a racial separatist more than a racial supremacist, and also an enthusiastic greenie.
    
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    September 9, 2025 7:31pm
- [email protected]
  
  It was always going to be the likely end because the system in NZ is getting increasingly inflexible. We seem to have lost any ability to find a pragmatic compromise to things anymore.
  
  Worse yet we don’t seem to have as much willingness to grant each other any grace at all. It is very much my way is the only way to see things and everyone else is wrong.
  
  Did Tom Phillips make bad choices? Yep.
  Did the cop who shot him have much choice? Not really.
  Did anyone deserve to be hurt or lose their life over this? No.
  
  But given he doesn’t seem to have been an unreasonable man before this blew up I do have questions about why he felt he had no choice. I strongly suspect he had concerns that simply were either ignored or over-ridden for some reason.
  
  So yeah, I am uncomfortable with how this ended. This wasn’t a good end for anyone really.
  
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  September 9, 2025 2:53pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    What I can’t understand is why a lone cop tried to stop him.
    
    It just doesn’t make sense to me as too why the cops would put a lone officer at risk. There was no immediate threat to the public and so not like they had to take out a serial killer at all costs.
    
    To me this seems like a major failing by the Police and claiming backup arrived “seconds later” seems like a cover up
    
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    September 9, 2025 7:16pm
  - MCōs
    
    So you don’t believe the police version of what happened?
    
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    September 9, 2025 7:25pm
    - Keith White
      
      Show us the body camera video so we can all see and are all sure what happened.
      
      Oh wait, we can’t, because Cahill’s troops won’t wear them.
      
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      September 9, 2025 8:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        The work looking into wearing body cameras was stopped in 2018 under Mike Bush. The police have been asking for body cameras, as has Cahill, for a long time. Good news is the current commissioner agrees they need them.
        
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        September 9, 2025 9:01pm
Chuck Bird

Thumbs Up if you think the Law Commmission is wrong and Thumbs down if you support the Law Commission.

Law Commission declares open season on girls’ rights

https://resistgendereducation.substack.com/p/law-commission-declares-open-season?publication_id=1390174&post_id=172839356&isFreemail=true&r=1c4uco&triedRedirect=true
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September 9, 2025 9:42am
- cmm
  
  Girls’ rights. Meh!
  
  Why should girls be called out for special rights vs boys, women, Maori, white people, etc etc?
  
  I frankly think the sooner we treat people the same the better. No tilting of the paying field for anyone.
  
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  September 9, 2025 11:16am
  - wsk12345
    
    It’s not special rights. It’s the right to use a women’s space without pedos flinging their penis around , creating a safety threat or making women uncomfortable Just as you have a men’s space where you can openly make offensive remarks about women and swing your dickds. (Nash obvs forgot he was not in the men’s changing room.)
    
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    September 9, 2025 1:40pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Chuck,
  I wonder whether the Law Commission would give equal recognition to “males with a ‘gender identity’” taking majority seats in their organisation and then subsequently excluding all of the previously sitting members.
  Surely they must…
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:02pm
Conservatarian

Good news guys. The UK’s new Home Secretary (a highly ranked minister in the government who is charge of immigration policy) is Shabina Mahmood. She is an elite-educated lawyer who will protect and advance “the system” of immigration in the Tony Blair paradigm i.e, mass uncontrolled immigration from the third world to rub the right’s nose in diversity.

More importantly, she is a devout and avowed Muslim who has professed her loyalty to Islam. She is Islam first and has no loyalty to the ancient nation of England nor the more recent country of the “United Kingdom”.

The purpose of a system is what is produces. Starmer has set the wheels in motion.
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September 9, 2025 9:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  “…mass uncontrolled immigration from the third world.”
  
  France.
  
  The infiltrators come from France.
  
  Then again, it won’t be much longer until they are a third world country.
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is it not so that the French do everything that can be seen to make sure the immigrants get out of France to the UK.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:45pm
- mandk
  
  Mahmood has been quoted as saying that she wants to see the establishment of a worldwide caliphate.
  
  What possessed Starmer to appoint her?
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:27pm
  - Paulus
    
    The UK Labour Party appointed her, not the git at the current top, but not for much longer.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:47pm
- cmm
  
  Tony Blair would never have been able to make visionary decisions like this without his Senior Advisor in the Cabinet Office: Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  September 9, 2025 1:30pm
- mogg
  
  Some polling is now showing Reform with more support than Tories and Labour combined.
  Starmer just loves the Labour DEI hires.
  
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  September 9, 2025 3:29pm
Tauhei Notts

I have read numerous articles about children’s bad health and how the public service need so much more taxpayer funding to sort out that mess. I get the impression that more funding will fix that problem.
Then I read about a man who had cared for his children for four years out the arse end of beyond, west of Waitomo and the police reported that his children are healthy.
It is a pity that the caring father has died. He had a great future providing assistance and guidance to the terribly under funded civil service who are unable to keep children healthy.
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September 9, 2025 10:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  TN
  Kids are sick because they sit inside, hardly seeing the sun, with their eyes glued to screens, eating junk and breathing their own bodily emissions.
  
  If they did that to the animals at the zoo the SPCA and the police would close it down.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:30am
  - MCōs
    
    Crikey!
    I need to get out more!
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:16pm
    - R
      
      There are many contributors who would appear to have a need to ‘get out more’, and become more aware of the real world; not just for the beneficial effect of sunlight
      
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      September 9, 2025 12:26pm
- cmm
  
  Probably also could have had an excellent future as an SAS trainer on survival, anti-tracking and other useful skills…
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:37am
  - MCōs
    
    Just a shame he was a thieving, murderous sort of chap
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:28pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  It is a bigger pity that a police officer has been seriously wounded.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:41am
- Ghost
  
  Caring father’s don’t involve their children in crimes, they don’t kidnap their children, they don’t commit armed robbery, and they don’t try kill a police officer.
  
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  September 9, 2025 10:49am
  - andrew davies
    
    Nor do caring fathers fill their kids with KFC etc night after night.
    
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    September 9, 2025 11:59am
    - Paulus
      
      No Mother’s do as they get much of the welfare and cannot cook.
      
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      September 9, 2025 2:49pm
  - Philview
    
    Ghost, that seems like a reasonable assessment. I am not sure why the downticks.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      Fanboys of this criminal that tried kill a cop. Good to see the police minister and commissioner coming out and saying this person was no hero.
      
      Top cop says fugitive dad ‘not a hero’
      
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      September 9, 2025 12:22pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      As seen yesterday, there seem to be several on here who are using this tragedy as a vehicle to air their own personal grievances and situations regarding family court cases.
      Mothers bad, family court bad, police bad, government bad.
      Not the time or place, I would have thought, to parade their own victimhood, but there we have it anyway.
      
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      September 9, 2025 5:42pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Why on earth would this get 6 downticks.
    
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    September 9, 2025 12:19pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I think that’s because we don’t know what motivated him to take his kids off the grid.
      
      If facts were known to everyone then people could see why it happened.
      
      Until then, anyone’s opinion as to why this happened is conjecture.
      
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      September 9, 2025 1:14pm
  - Eastlander
    
    If playing bushranger wasn’t enough to put off his sympathisers then bringing his child along to armed robberies should have done it.
    
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    September 9, 2025 5:46pm
- Burtland
  
  all will be good for the kids now
  theyve been put into the capable hands of Oranga Tamariki and a gaggle of caring government child psychologists – doubtless theyll be returned to the mother
  – NZ has become a scene from the Wilderpeople
  
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  September 9, 2025 12:17pm
  - grumpy
    
    Like you, I could not escape the vision that I had seen this all before in “Hunt For The Wilderpeople”
    
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    September 9, 2025 1:04pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Grumpy
      In a way you and Burt have exposed what is going on here.
      The general tenor is that we are trying to convert little or no factual information into the equivalent of a movie script.
      
      Until we know what motivated Tom we won’t know what the movie is really about.
      
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      September 9, 2025 1:42pm
      - Burtland
        
        the vultures are already picking over the bones
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider/media-insider-reality-tv-legend-dame-julie-christie-producing-tom-phillips-documentary-crew-receives-exclusive-access-behind-police-cordons-police-commissioner-questioned-on-whether-it-should-proceed/7JRSV2QXJ5DATFIJHHN4GVIOTU/
        
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        September 10, 2025 7:41am
  - Paulus
    
    No, no, no, not Oranga Tamariki – Court has appointed Grandmother currently, I understand.
    OT may well have been part of the cause in the beginning.
    
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    September 9, 2025 2:51pm
    - MCōs
      
      Cause of what?
      Tom Phillips had custody of his children before he disappeared for three weeks the first time to ‘clear his head’. For some reason the head clearing exercise required the presence of his three very young children.
      
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      September 9, 2025 3:10pm
  - AitchW
    
    God help them if OT has the final say.
    
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    September 9, 2025 3:09pm
hookerphil

No charges in relation to the sexual harassment of the young woman police worker – the stuff on the computer is still alive.
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September 9, 2025 11:42am
MCōs

How golf was invented
https://youtube.com/shorts/lXCHNBqjXLI?si=EtS57XS1KmSwbkzF
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September 9, 2025 2:58pm
imalwaysright

3pm news said Police said dealing with Tom Philips is “unprecedented”.

Really ? So?

What are they saying ? Is that they don’t have a form for “men who take their kids out of harms way and then get killed”?

Last time I heard “unprecedented” Ash and Jacinda were smiling at me knowingly …
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September 9, 2025 3:06pm
Paulus

Whilst on today can anybody find the outline of the internal Report of ACC by ACC that appear to have been hidden, except to the co operative media I suspect, as there are considerable problems we understand re what us called DEI/Personnel but the lady Chair and the lady CEO are sorting.
Am led to believe it stinks to high heaven, but hush !
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September 9, 2025 3:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This?
  
  https://www.acc.co.nz/assets/corporate-documents/Culture-review.pdf
  
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  September 9, 2025 4:02pm
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  Pretty damning of ACC leadership
  
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  September 9, 2025 6:37pm
Jack5

Indonesia is importing a million dairy cows over five years to quadruple its dairy production, and reduce reliance on imported milk powder.

Meanwhile, in contrast, New Zealand imports coal by the millions of tons from Indonesia while billions of tons of NZ coal will be unmined.

According to Reuters, Indonesia’s cow imports will cost about half a billion NZ dollars.

Indonesia has been asking private firms each to pay for importing 20 cows as part of a scheme to feed poor people.
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September 9, 2025 4:43pm
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  NZ coal imports are way down compared with a few years ago due to cost
  https://figure.nz/chart/xsaYQC7tnOX1W4uB
  
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  September 9, 2025 6:36pm
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    The Huntly power station is burning up to 10,000 tonnes of Indonesian coal per day.
    
    The big power companies are jointly building a stockpile of up to around a million tonnes of this coal for fuel when renewable-powered electricity is under pressure.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/568921/gentailers-agree-to-stockpile-coal-at-huntly-power-station
    
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    Also, from MBIE:
    
    “Electricity generation from [Indonesian] coal saw a large increase in 2024, driven by a combination of unfavourable hydro conditions and lower gas supply. Coal use in electricity generation rose by 225%, from 5.68 PJ in 2023 to 18.47 PJ in 2024, more than tripling year-on-year.”
    
    https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-publications-and-technical-papers/energy-in-new-zealand/energy-in-new-zealand-2025/coal
    
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    September 9, 2025 7:33pm
MCōs

Not an allegation I’m aware of. Maybe you could indicate where you saw this sensational tidbit
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  No such thing was asked. Here is the press conference
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6IukvxMwE
  
  A journalists asked if they were with anyone else, there was no mention of how many kids were found
  
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  September 9, 2025 8:03pm
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I think it was an overseas paper that reported that it was ‘thought’ that one of the 3 children was a very young child.
Very speculative.
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