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Nikola Donatello

I saw a story yesterday about this woman killed by her boyfriend.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/570455/final-act-of-violence-mum-killed-by-partner-in-suspected-murder-suicide

On average about 25 women are killed by boyfriends and husbands each year. Most of them are Maori. Thousands more are bashed and traumatised. Again, most of them Maori.

Over the last decade hundreds of millions of dollars have been invested in preventing family violence. Yet the deaths and harm seem persistent. The harm to Maori women are far, far, higher than for other ethnicities and the offenders are weighted heavily towards Maori.

The official narrative in government agencies is that colonisation and trauma are to blame. Hence the action plan within government up until 2023 was as follows. Maybe it has been replaced by the current government. I don’t have time to check that this morning.

So here is the plan formulated by the last government….

“Prioritising equity and inclusion in all spaces

Acting with aroha

All actions are tika and pono, where people act with fairness, integrity, and are accountable for their actions

People work together in an integrated way, reflecting kotahitanga

People practise kaitiakitanga – people understand their roles and responsibilities to ensure the safety and wellbeing of people and their families and whānau.”

…. and it goes on and on but you get the picture…

https://preventfvsv.govt.nz/national-strategy

I don’t know the answer, but the approach of the last decade does not seem to have made much difference.

Maybe the government could intensively educate young Maori women to delay marriage decisions until their early 30s when they may be less likely to marry violent criminals? Encourage them to focus on education, work experience and seeing the world. Then make careful marriage decisions.

The current situation is that early pregnancy of young Maori seems to be celebrated. It is not doing New Zealand or these women any good at all. Too many, of course not all, end up in violent situations and require the support of the state.

Maybe time for young Maori women to make better life decisions. Seems a better approach than “decolonisation”.
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September 11, 2025 8:01am
- cmm
  
  The point is never to really improve/solve the problem. The point is to virtue signal and to continue the situation to keep a dependent class.
  
  Robbing people of their agency is the very worst way to solve any problems. Telling people that they are victims of colonialism etc tells them that they have zero control over their own outcomes.
  
  Those with the Messiah Complex love that there are dependent people who they can play dolls with. Equity is part of that.
  
  The situation will only improve when Maori in particular are told, bluntly, that they have all the resources they need to get off their arses and make a life for themselves. They can choose to do so (and many do), or they can choose not to – in which case it is all on them.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Our government is literally paying young women to get pregnant. In order to keep getting paid, they need to: not work, not enter into a relationship with a guy who has a job, and not name the father (if he has a job). The result that they end up with loser guys who see the mother and child as a revenue stream, not as a family, is entirely a product of the incentives created by our welfare system.
  
  It is hard to get someone to change their behaviour when you are paying them not to change that behaviour.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:12am
  - NothingLeft
    
    A lot of them are farmed by gangs as a source of free accommodation and food for their members, as well as sex partners and occasional workers in their crime enterprises.
    
    This is of course great for their kids
    
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    September 11, 2025 9:14am
- cmm
  
  It is likely on no surprise to you that these Maori women are predominantly TPM supporters.
  
  In the previous Roy Morgan poll, about 70% of Maori women under 50 supported TPM, but that went down a bit in the last poll.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:14am
- Colville
  
  A young woman with no male role model or a poor male role model in her life will go looking for a better/stronger man and not really have any idea of what a “good” man is.
  So the daughter of a solo mum who has been subjected to violence is very likely to become a solo mum is subjected to violence.
  
  If you have a solution for that you will lead the world.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:15am
- Wandering Star
  
  “Too many, of course not all, end up in violent situations and require the support of the state.”
  
  Frequent dependence on the state is actually a consequence of an increased emphasis on individualism, not its opposite.
  
  Where once (if it even happened to begin with), these young pregnant women would have been supported by their family, the primary collective, now the family are off being individuals and satisfying their individual desires, while neglecting their own, one of the corollaries of an overly individualistic, disconnected, egoistic mindset.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:16am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Good point.
    
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    September 11, 2025 8:50am
  - Flossie
    
    The state does not allow parents to do parenting. Our young people have so many rights. For example, 14 year old goes to doctor and father doesn’t get told when or why when he queried the invoice for him to pay. Child admitted later it had been for the morning after pill. Child’s right to privacy supersedes all else.
    
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    September 11, 2025 11:24am
- artemisia
  
  I think it was Paula Bennett that referred to ‘feral’ men who serially moved in with solo mothers, got fed, housed and other ‘benefits’, until they got kicked out. Sometimes after fathering another baby. On to the next lonely mum hoping for love and marriage, maybe even the next baby carriage.
  
  How to counter that succession of events? Lord knows.
  
  But reverting to liable parents requiring to be named by beneficiaries, and child support back to offsetting welfare benefits would be a start. Currently it is double dipping.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:26am
- septic skeptic
  
  The bottom line IMO – Maori culture is the problem not the solution. Searching for a “by Maori for Maori” solution will not work. Look to the cultures that respect women and do not have major domestic violence problems. Learn from and emulate them.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:32am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “Searching for a “by Maori for Maori” solution will not work.”
    
    Correct, and the main reason is that what they refer to as Maori Culture is an artificial construct developed by academics over the past 50 years, which, predictably, bears no relationship to the culture or lifestyle of Maori today.
    
    Combine that with cmm’s “Those with the Messiah Complex love that there are dependent people who they can play dolls with.” and it becomes apparent why many Maori are rejecting current society.
    
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    September 11, 2025 11:00am
- H. Upmann
  
  I am sure Takuta Ferris is working on a solution to this, protecting women and children from violence and death by Maori men.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:50am
  - pdm
    
    H.U – I just saw a pink elephant fly past my window.
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:28am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO suppression orders are a weapon against the citizens. They are used with gay abandon ( for the young ones this is an old time expression) to defeat the basic governance princples of disclosure and transparency. They are applied unequally. Time and again I have seen the professional from a leafy suburb get suppression where a worker from a working class suburb is denied in the same circumstances. Except in exceptional and rare cases they have no place in a fully functioning democracy.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:12am
- Paulus
  
  Are we to assume that young Maori women (or any young women) actually marry ?
  Helen Clark and Margaret Wilson started the universal breakdown of the family as a unit in New Zealand, so marriage, as we know it, really doesn’t exist now anyway.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:18am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Helen Clark started universal family breakdown? Wot? Because she didn’t get married “properly” and breed?
    
    You need to go back to Mabel Howard 🙂
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:07am
    - rouppe
      
      He may be referring to the Property Relationship Act, which Helen Clark implemented. Which assigns all the same legal financial obligations as marriage.
      
      My then partner and I never got officially married. There was no point. She still had the diamond ring, and when we split we split the relationship property equally.
      
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      September 11, 2025 12:34pm
      - Local Miller
        
        A single example doesn’t prove much, especially when there are so many examples out there of failed “civil unions”.
        Paulus is partly correct, in the broad sense, marriage doesn’t exist as we know it, and the slippery slope started when the gay community fought for and gained the right to have civil unions. At the time claiming they weren’t interested in full marriage. We all know the lie now for what it was.
        Now marriage is between any 2 adults regardless. Except that in all bible based Christian circles, marriage is still very strong. Three of my children are either married or getting married in the traditional sense because of their strong Christian conviction. Every church I’ve attended in my ~20 years in NZ still believes marriage is between one man and one woman before God and their community, forever.
        While there are some churches that have given in to the LGBT+ demands, it’s clear these no longer hold to biblical principles.
        
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        September 11, 2025 4:54pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Better life decisions for these Maori women, would include rejecting Maori men that are not yet civilised or colonised.
  
  The problem is not colonisation, but a lack of colonisation which brings law and order and civilised behaviour.
  
  The solution is not “decolonisation”, but more colonisation and being made to live in a civilised manner.
  
  Maori men (and women) that resort to “the bash” to get their way, are living in the past, and still clinging to the tribal feral way of living. TPM included. TPM want to rule modern day NZ with tribal lawlessness.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:27am
- sirknz
  
  “Maybe the government could intensively educate young Maori women to delay marriage decisions until their early 30s when they may be less likely to marry violent criminals?”
  
  The Partly Maoris would liken this to genocide.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:45am
- stewmar
  
  How could you possibly know that most of them are Maori? Sounds like BS to me.
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:04am
- R
  
  The Maori activists are encouraging young maori to produce many children, with the objective of over populating the country with Maori for political purposes. The same activists don’t encourage young Maori to become educated and therefore employable in high paying careers, this is following ‘whitey’ and frowned upon. Same problem existed in the 1960’s, since then the Labour Party has taken the programme under their wing.
  
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  September 11, 2025 11:41am
- kowtow
  
  The “plan” can be summarised as ;
  
  putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
  
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  September 11, 2025 1:43pm
Im Right

Until getting $$$ for each baby (after having 2 of them) is stopped, and the fathers don’t need to be identified nor put on the birth certificate….how in God’s name will anything change?

And betcha bottom dollar if anything was proposed to change, the usual suspects would decry it as racist and stopping the maori population from growing blah blah blah

Nothing will change!?
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September 11, 2025 8:07am
- Local Miller
  
  How about also starting to track and sanctioning fathers on multiple birth certificates? So if you father multiple children to different mothers and aren’t supporting them, you don’t get support and the mother’s support is also limited.
  
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  September 11, 2025 5:10pm
artemisia

Mike Hosking this morning at 7.45 reckons Labour can’t realistically go into coalition with the Maori Party. Which Mr Hosking says doesn’t want to be in government anyway. Too much responsibility and associated scrutiny, public ridicule (qv Mr Ferrris)?

Why not just take the pay and perks, the grandstanding platform, access to white guilt funding. What’s not to like?
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September 11, 2025 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  Being leader of a party gets paid the same as a cabinet minister without all the extra work and responsibilities.
  It’s the sweet spot.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:16am
  - pdm
    
    cmm – apparently you can even take family trips and overseas holidays on the taxpayer dime.
    
    As arti says – what is not to like.
    
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    September 11, 2025 8:23am
- Colville
  
  Labour wont need TPM because they will have Winston grabbing the baubles and selling New Zealand down the road once again.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:17am
  - peterwn
    
    To my surprise Winston and his team (Casey Costello has been a real standout) have generally done pretty well and been a valuable support party to National. So Winston this term is definitely earning his baubles. I think the main thing is he is having fun while making a positive contribution as Foreign Affairs Minister. So I am not at all sure he would want to join a bunch of turkeys after the 2026 election.
    Chris Luxon has been criticised but one thing he has been very successful at is nutting out a workable coalition agreement and holding the troika coalition together.
    
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    September 11, 2025 9:28am
    - KH
      
      Luxon does great holding a coalition together. The two smaller parties get a look in.
      Compromises mean they work together, sometimes getting a win, sometimes not.
      You don’t always get what you want. But being able to work it out makes New Zealand a great country.
      
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      September 11, 2025 9:49am
  - Philview
    
    Bob McCoskrie had some interesting analysis on his Political Playback show last week. Surveys of voters indicated that most National Party voters don’t want to be in a Coalition with NZ First whereas a significant number of NZ First voters want to be in a Coalition with National. Labour voters were about as keen as National to be in a Coalition with NZ First. I can’t remember where TPM were placed but assume Labour voters preferred them to NZ First.
    
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    September 11, 2025 11:29am
  - R
    
    Don’t be surprised if much nearer to the election; Winston resigns, collects the Knighthood he craves, and is announced as the next High Commissioner to London or New York
    
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    September 11, 2025 11:47am
    - artemisia
      
      Mr Peters is more deserving of the Big K than some … no names no pack drill.
      
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      September 11, 2025 1:15pm
  - Notsofast
    
    He ruled out Hipkins, which adds greatly to his credibility.
    
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    September 11, 2025 12:13pm
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Ruling out Hipkins did not add to credibility as it means he may work with Labour if they ditch ‘Chippy’. Tell me Winston as you cast your eyes across a post-Hipkins Labour party, what has actually changed (apart from them being more radical) and who do you see as a stellar political heavyweight to hitch the NZ First bandwagon to?
      Peters has done well this Parliament but it will be a few more terms before he can erase the stench of the dirty deal to install Ardern.
      
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      September 12, 2025 1:15am
Taipan Pete

Charlie Kirk has been shot in the neck at a speaking event at Utah Valley University. Personally speaking I have a lot of time for him and his videos, and I hope he pulls through.
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September 11, 2025 8:14am
- Paulus
  
  He has died, sadly !
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:19am
Cassandra

Sadly Trump has become the boy who cried “Wolf” over Ukraine. He has repeatedly threatened Russia with dire consequence and then always chickened out. A tough guy in many respects but not on this. As the Telegraph says “Instead of paving the way for peace, Mr Trump’s uniquely feckless and incompetent diplomacy has created the conditions for yet more bloodshed.”
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September 11, 2025 8:20am
- Inandout
  
  Cass, I tend to think Trump has more pressing problems closer to home. Despite what he hopes for pales when compared with crime at home. All world leaders should place the welfare of its citizens as paramount.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:31am
  - kiwimike
    
    well Albanese has def failed Australians there then.
    did nothing to the paly mob outside the Oprah House on Oct 8th.
    sat on his duff since then
    demonised the Israelis and by extension all Jews.
    as each iteration of violence against Jewish Australians happened his words fell far far short and he sat on his duff.
    as he pouted to the world stage with his lemon sucking Foreign Minister.
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:27am
- Scott
  
  Cassandra – that’s a bad take on the situation. The war was going on whatever Trump did. The war started when Biden was president. Trump has tried to end the war using diplomacy. He even got all the European leaders meeting with him on Ukraine.
  
  What could Trump have done differently? He’s been trying to end the war. He really does hate war.
  
  Regarding him chickening out. Do you want him to start bombing Russia? A Russia with nuclear weapons?
  
  Trump deserves credit for trying to stop the war using diplomacy. If this had been Biden he’d be getting a Nobel peace prize by now.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:37am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The war started in 2014 under Obama with Russia invading Crimea and Donbass.
    
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    September 11, 2025 9:17am
    - KH
      
      Russia did not invade Donbass. The people there revolted against the Ukraine regime.
      
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      September 11, 2025 9:55am
      - kiwimike
        
        with FSB and Spetsnez help ……
        Duh!
        
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        September 11, 2025 10:28am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Read up on “Little Green Men” Russian troops operating undeclared to foment the conflict.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)
        
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        September 11, 2025 4:59pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Scott: I want Trump to do what he says he’s going to do. He has threatened all sorts of things, mainly sanctions, and then gives Putin another chance. You might find that sensible but give it some thought. “Selection and maintenance of the aim” is the first principle of war.
    
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    September 11, 2025 9:41am
    - cmm
      
      ““Selection and maintenance of the aim” is the first principle of war.”
      
      Yes, but if you zoom out a bit, war is just a form of diplomacy. If other methods can work then they supercede war.
      
      It is all very well threatening, and even applying, sanctions but those are not necessarily big enough levers. South Africa operated for decades under harsh sanctions and perhaps the only sanctions that people really felt was the lack of rugby playing opportunities.
      
      Ultimately Russia needs to be happy with whatever is decided too. USA is not in a strong enough position to just force its will unilaterally.
      
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      September 11, 2025 10:00am
      - Cassandra
        
        Clausewitz wouldn’t dither. Trump could motivate Europe even more and really put pressure on Putin. The world needs to get this war stopped and Russia caged qv the latest Polish incursion.
        
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        September 11, 2025 11:13am
    - R
      
      Lateral thinking….is the first rule of war, long before you start hurling bombs and missiles over the border. Russia has a legacy of fomenting dissent, and then riding to the rescue of the oppressed.
      
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      September 11, 2025 11:52am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Trump desperately wants to avoid escalation and cost to US military + US economy, and Putin is exploiting that.
      
      The secondary sanctions route that Trump has used could be pretty effective, but he really needs to stop dicking around and tighten the screws on India and Chinese trade with Russia.
      
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      September 11, 2025 5:05pm
  - newview
    
    BS Scott. What he tried to do was to show the US and the rest of the world what a powerful negotiator he is. How he could solve the worlds problem by cracking the whip and bullying other leaders to do what he wants using USA’s might to do it. That’s not clever that’s abusive. So far he’s failed miserably imo.
    
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    September 11, 2025 3:58pm
- septic skeptic
  
  His heart has never been in defending Ukraine, and Putin along with the rest of the world knows it. He expected a cheap PR win and didn’t much care what it cost Ukraine to get that.
  
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  September 11, 2025 8:38am
- cmm
  
  Let’s be real here… what can Trump really do?
  
  Threaten to put USA boots on the ground and open up a fullblown USA vs Russa war?
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:46am
- KH
  
  Nah Cassandra. I congratulate Trump for talking stopping the war. He is the only one.
  All the rest do evil talk like “peace through victory”. Mad.
  What makes you think stopping this war would be easy. Trump is giving it a go. It’s hard.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  “Trump has become the boy who cried “Wolf” ”
  
  Not sure about that.
  The boy who cried wolf used a non existent threat to get attention.
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:07am
Boy Geoff

Heh, I was in a public service environment the other day where some of those present were basically in tears over Benjamin Doyle’s resignation
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September 11, 2025 8:21am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Not tears of laughter then?
  
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  September 11, 2025 11:37am
- R
  
  Tells you a lot about the ‘calibre’ of the public service staffing, doesn’t it!
  
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  September 11, 2025 11:55am
Southern Raider

Charlie Kirk has been shot at a rally in Utah

Looks from the video it was neck shot and hit a major vein. Lots of blood.

Unfortunately I don’t think he will pull through.

What does a radical leftist do in a debate? Shoots the party they disagree with
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September 11, 2025 8:25am
G152

Remember remember 11 September when people went to work or travel
And never came home again.
Remember remember
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September 11, 2025 8:32am
- kiwimike
  
  NY haven’t in aiding Mondani an Islamist, the socialist tag is just a cover…
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:30am
- cmm
  
  The terrorists just wasted their time.
  24 years on and NYC is destroying itself without outside help.
  
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  September 11, 2025 12:01pm
G152

And what of [Mod – use correct names, thanks]
Where is he?
And what has he been doing?
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September 11, 2025 8:34am
- G152
  
  Kim dot Com then
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:18am
nova

Takuta Ferris still has his instagram post up from yesterday. Surprising, I thought this would have been covered widely in the media, and he would have been pressured to take it down. He is responding to critics of his original social media post about the Peeni Henare As he puts it, he was responding to a picture from the Labour party, of the Black community, the Asian community, the Pakeha community, all campaigning for Peeni. He says it is unacceptable for non-Maori to campaign to take a Maori seat away from the Maori people. And he goes a lot further, and the racial rhetoric he uses deserves to be widely condemned:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOYUZiOAV9V/?hl=en

The media did cover it, but didn’t promote it as the lead story which it deserves to be:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/572690/takuta-ferris-doubling-down-on-race-rhetoric-widely-condemned
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September 11, 2025 8:35am
- Southern Raider
  
  It’s one step from mandating only Te Maori Party candidates can be MPs in Maori seats
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:45am
  - pdm
    
    No No SR.
    
    That is exactly what the activist Ferris is saying!!!
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:33am
  - R
    
    ….can be MP’s in NZ ELECTORATE seats. The intent for 2040 !!!
    
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    September 11, 2025 11:58am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    But “Maori” only exists in law as a feeling or a belief one is a “Maori” so it seems any one can be a Te Maori party MP. And, when the main Maori spokesman for a major political party, Labour’s Willie Jackson has a DNA test showing he has only 2% Oceania or Maori DNA then it seems anyone here can belong to almost any race they wish.
    
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    September 11, 2025 5:59pm
- cmm
  
  The sad part is that a very large % of people, Maori in particular, agree with what he is saying.
  
  This is not some off-the-wall crazy talk. This is mainstream political thinking.
  
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  September 11, 2025 12:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Funny, really. I thought the Maori Party’s aim was to have the Whites, the Asians etc running around after (ie paying tax to) Maoris.
  
  On that basis, Ferris has got the wrong end of the stick. Maybe he’s just envious that he did not think of it first.
  
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  September 11, 2025 7:21pm
MCōs

It’s just one shock after another at the moment or maybe I should just join the bowls club down the road
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September 11, 2025 8:57am
- peterwn
  
  I once tried croquet, but I found the hoops are just too narrow.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:18am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Dunno, I can get my needles through them alright.
    
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    September 11, 2025 7:22pm
peterwn

The Dotcom situation carries on. Once the Supreme Court cleared his way for extradition, the responsible Minister had to sign off the formal extradition order (surrender order) which he did August 2024. The previous Labour Government for whatever reason did not sign off his extradition despite the Supreme Court clearing the way for it in 2020. I thought at the time he would seek judicial review of any Minister’s decision up to the Supreme Court and so it came to pass. The High Court has just rejected his application and no doubt he will appeal that. He needed a new ground not already covered previously and the one advanced was that the sentence he would face from a USA Federal District Court would be excessive compared with the equivalent sentence a NZ court would impose (and presumably he might think US Federal prisons would be crappier than NZ prisons, although he would likely serve any time in a Camp Cupcake type joint). To this end he then argued that the NZ Police should have charged him with the relevant offences as they did with two others but chose not to. If he was charged in NZ that would have removed any reason for extradition.
Kim Dotcom’s hope now would be that Labour etc win next years election and would not be inclined to progress his extradition.
See:
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2025/2025-NZHC-2634.pdf
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September 11, 2025 9:14am
- NothingLeft
  
  I thought he was claiming to have had a stroke to avoid deporation on medical grounds.
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:53am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ha! Criminal claims that the NZ Police discriminated against him by NOT charging him.
  
  That’s a ‘man bites dog’ story, if ever I saw one.
  
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  September 11, 2025 7:24pm
Ghost

Whoops, someone is telling lies, won’t be her first time

Greta Thunberg’s Gaza flotilla was not hit by a drone, Tunisian authorities have insisted, saying activists’ claims ‘have no basis in truth’ after the group alleged their boats had come under attack.

A dramatic video posted by fellow activist Yasemin Acar on Instagram showed the aftermath of a fire, as she declared: ‘The Family boat has been officially attacked – a drone came right above it, released a bomb and it exploded and the boat was on fire.

She added: ‘Everyone on that boat is ok. The fire is out.’

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September 11, 2025 9:15am
- G152
  
  Looks like their party flare misfired…. anything to get out of danger
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:20am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/greta-thunberg-reports-flotilla-struck-by-jewish-space-laser
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:34am
- Boy Geoff
  
  What’s her problem? She wasn’t home invaded/ram raided by some random, anonymous, angry CIS-white male.
  
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  September 11, 2025 9:39am
- cmm
  
  The device – whatever it was – exploded within 1 to 2 metres of people on the deck of a civilian please boat (not at all tough).
  
  If it had been a bomb from a drone (typically a small mortar, hand grenade, RPG7 warhead or equivalent) then there would be more than just a few scorch marks. There would be blast/shrapnel damage to both people and equipment and people missing body parts and needing serious surgery or burial.
  
  Complete hoax. Like climate change. Like starving children.
  
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  September 11, 2025 12:12pm
artemisia

Those public health academics tell us “Access to clean air should be treated as a basic human right, just like safe drinking water.”

Referring to indoor air quality, mainly. Better set up another tranche of government funding stat. Or the cheap options – open a window, step outside. Though likely hoping for more taxpayer funding for research for the next couple of decades to monitor and report.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/572704/poor-indoor-air-quality-costing-the-country-a-billion-dollars-each-year-researchers-say
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September 11, 2025 9:37am
- MCōs
  
  Leaving windows open isn’t always practical.
  When I was living in Twizel a bloke I worked with told me they went away for the weekend and left the toilet window open. When they came home the water in the toilet was frozen.
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:00am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I hope he didn’t find out the hard way…
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:12am
- cmm
  
  You have to wonder how these “researchers” figure out that a billion $ ($200 per person) is lost to poor air quality inside.
  
  It is all very well declaring something a “basic human right”. But what does that mean? Does it mean the taxpayer must provide it?
  
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  September 11, 2025 11:27am
- Local Miller
  
  Quote from the report: ‘indoor air quality which posed a “major but invisible” health risk across public spaces, such as hospitals, schools, workplaces and homes’
  Since when were homes “public spaces”? I thought my home was my private space!
  
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  September 11, 2025 2:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Meanwhile, researchers plucked the figure of $1b out of their collective arse.
  
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  September 11, 2025 7:27pm
peterwn

Shane Jones has produced a paper for his boss on the power industry. His main planks are:
* Re-nationalisation of the generation companies (Government still own 51% of three of them).
* Requiring participants
* Splitting the tailer from the gen which various groups have been advocating.
* Bring down power prices.
This can all be distilled down to one thing – that the Government should directly invest in the power industry and assume sovereign risk where others invest in the industry.
If he wants to nationalise the power companies the Government must either buy them out at market rates (which would seriously affect Government finances) or confiscate the assets (or a halfway house of buying the shares back at the original issue price – which would still be 80% or so confication). The Government would lose the dividends of the 51% share and many ordinary Kiwis (including NZF supporters) would be out of pocket since they are invested in the gentailers directly or via Sharesies or NZ Super and other funds.
That fundamental situation would need to be resolved somehow if the changes Shane advocates are to be implemented.
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September 11, 2025 9:53am
- cmm
  
  The biggest problem with nationalising the power generation is that they no longer operate in accordance with their primary need – generating power.
  
  Instead they get infected with the wokesters who want to build solar farms and BESS systems because they look cool – even though they are completely inappropriate for NZ.
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:04am
  - MCōs
    
    We don’t all live in the frozen south where there’s no sun for half the year
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:22am
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      Actually, the “frozen south” has better solar generation than most of NZ.
      
      Solar panels work by light. Heat actually makes them less efficient.
      
      But the poor thing with solar is that it does not generate power when we need it (evenings and mornings).
      
      BESS is a complete waste of time because we have hydro that can play the same role.
      
      https://solargis.com/resources/free-maps-and-gis-data?locality=new-zealand
      
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      September 11, 2025 10:30am
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        The lakes are the Energy Storage System for solar. When the sun shines we do not need to use as much hydro so extra water gets stored for when we do need it.
        
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        September 11, 2025 12:23pm
    - Ian
      
      There you go again with your throwaway assertions. That the south is frozen – obviously incorrect as frozen means below zero all the time. Today Auckland will have a high of 16, Dunedin 14. So if the south is frozen at 14, then Auckland is not far off being frozen either. And as for no sun for half the year, patently incorrect also. The only place on Earth that this occurs is at extreme southern or northern latitudes. We do know you used to live in Timaru – 14 today….
      
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      September 11, 2025 10:48am
      - sirknz
        
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole
        
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        September 11, 2025 2:53pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    The fundamental problem as I see it is that the gentailers have no “national interest” aims as part of their operation. If I was running one I would say current profit levels are fine and why should I bother sinking much capital into an asset (new generation) that won’t be 100% in use when it comes on line?
    
    On that basis I am not sure that the Wailkato hydro dams would have happened. It is interesting to look offshore and find a fair number of jurisdictions where a single state-owned generator is the main player (eg several Canadian provinces).
    
    Bradford had some belief about the benfits of competition from splitting and privatising Electricorp. Can any genuinely believe this is how it has played out?
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:23am
    - peterwn
      
      A few points here. The original hydro stations (Coleridge, Mangahao and Arapuni) did need Government sponsorship to make them happen and once they were successful and there was significant uptake of electricity – especially by dairy farmers and industry) this gave the Government and the people confidence to build further stations. Significant non Government hydro schemes were developed by Dunedin and Tauranga, ond Manapouri was originally a non Government scheme until the Smelting Company decided they did not want to take the commercial risk.
      As for comment that the Gentailers are commercially driven and do not have the national interest at heart, their managements are acutely aware of their responsibilities to the nation and do have a string of projects to meet NZ’s needs. It does not help when some industrial customers and minor retailers over-rely on spot prices with no contingencies – this does not send proper signals for development. However that does not extend to overinvesting – it is a narrow balance between meeting needs and overinvesting. If the Government wants overinvestment (as it did in pre Rogernomics days) then the Government needs to meet or at least underwrite the cost of overinvestment. The industry is also subject to heavy restrictions on development – no nuclear, no gas exploration, hydro almost impossible to develop (Meridian gave up on Project Aqua on the lower Waitaki). Also the Gentailers are expected to run commercially – they are not Mother Teresa.
      
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      September 11, 2025 11:04am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘they are not Mother Teresa.’
        
        Yer . MT wouldn’t have given $100 mil to the maoris.
        
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        September 11, 2025 1:37pm
- MCōs
  
  Renationalisation of the generation companies will never happen
  Diametrically opposed to everything Act and National stand for (supposedly)
  If they had remained in state ownership and power prices had gone up the cry would have been to sell them off because the government shouldn’t be in the power generation business
  
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  September 11, 2025 10:15am
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    It is exactly what Labour and Greens said they stand for when they sabotaged the partial asset sales.
    
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    September 11, 2025 10:32am
- wsk12345
  
  Or they could just aupport coal fired generation options plus LNG as a temp measure and set up a state owned gas exploration company.
  
  And start charging intermittent generators thr true costs they impose on the other generators. Or consider a capacity market fiven we now have a shortage of capacity not energy.
  
  There are many options before going Full Shane.
  
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  September 11, 2025 11:08am
  - kowtow
    
    No need for govt gas exploration when we have so much coal .
    
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    September 11, 2025 1:36pm
- R
  
  So Jones is just a shrill for Labour. Easy to see which party NZF would support after the next election. Voters you have been warned!
  
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  September 11, 2025 1:25pm
Rusty

Unfortunately when 9/11 is brought up I can’t help thinking of the conspiracy theories which people I know have bored the hell out of me over the years.

I once jokingly said to one of them that the two towers when they were standing resembled the number 11. It was taken literally as a conspiracy clue!

I’m over it.
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September 11, 2025 9:55am
- imalwaysright
  
  “I’m over it.”
  
  Clearly not.
  
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  September 11, 2025 12:08pm
- MCōs
  
  Apart from anything else being a Trade Center Truther (or whatever the expression is) could be very lucrative
  
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  September 11, 2025 3:15pm
- imalwaysright
  
  You brought it up…
  If you want to discuss it just say so, but don’t frame it differently.
  
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  September 11, 2025 3:35pm
Pope Punctilious II

A rousing speech from Chris Bishop, castigating the rogues and fools on the opposition benches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsiSCXBCk3s
More of this please. The government must go to the election next year with positive policies of their own, but they must also regularly remind voters just how bad the alternative is. And there’s no need to exaggerate – there’s so much free ammo provided by the likes of Willy Jackson (“we’re not in a majority democracy any more”), Peeni Henare (“ae, we’ll let gangs wear their patches again”), and the various TMP clowns.
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September 11, 2025 11:50am
- PeterTrentham
  
  Next election has been decided. Labour will go with Peters like 2017 with support from Greens.
  All Labour have to do, is shut up. Nats are in disarray with Willis being as bad as Robbo. Luxon, say no more.
  
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  September 11, 2025 1:15pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Can you seriously see Chloe and Marama sitting down to parly with Winston and Shane?
    
    The election has not been decided. But I agree the appointment of Willis as finance minister was baffling.
    
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    September 11, 2025 5:50pm
- Philview
  
  Most voters will not be in the sort of forums that inform them on such discussions. I learnt on Kiwiblog last night that 16 political candidates have died in Germany in the last 2 weeks. The first I had heard about such staggering news and turns out it is true but a series of unfortunate coincidences.
  
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  September 11, 2025 1:51pm
Notsofast

While labour and the greens position themselves to enact the mysogynist and anti child Law Commission report on trans, they might consider that in the UK at least it is a sex crime to conceal ones biological sex before romantically touching another person

From a KC in an interesting case:

“People who, for whatever reason, present in a way which conceals their sex should surely be protected from misinformation about where the legal boundaries lie. If CW was never told that a deliberate deception as to his sex risked conviction for serious criminal offences, then it is hard to shake the feeling that we have allowed a deficit to accrue in how we educate a generation for whom successful sex-deception will be an increased risk. Those who have taken puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will be far more likely to pass as the other sex than those who have not; this will not avail them of any legal protection if they do not disclose their sex to a partner. Indeed, the more successful a deception, and the more desired its success, the more culpable the deceiver is likely to be deemed. No one has the right to “go stealth” when it comes to sexual consent. When those who are in a position to educate decide to ignore, or promote confusion about, the law then it is most frequently going to be young, inexperienced people like CW and his victim who pay the price.

Sarah Vine KC”

https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2025/09/10/ciara-watkin-where-did-the-deception-start/
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September 11, 2025 12:19pm
- Taieri
  
  biological sex
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  Is there any other than “biological”?
  
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  September 11, 2025 5:05pm
Fender

Things not going well in nepal
Riots are getting very violent
https://youtu.be/eudthwwIycU?si=hcmaMLgqe2ZC6MKt
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September 11, 2025 12:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright blasted net-zero targets as a “colossal train wreck”. “It’s just a monstrous human impoverishment program”

Ain’t that the truth.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Energy-Chief-Calls-Net-Zero-a-Colossal-Train-Wreck.html
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September 11, 2025 12:32pm
Ghost

Well said Mark

“This man is not a folk hero, and let me be really clear about this. This is a guy that has taken his children into abysmal conditions. You’ve seen the state of the camps.

“None of us, if we were responsible parents, would inflict that on our children, especially in the middle of a cold, Kiwi winter,” he said.

Mitchell said Phillips is not a hero because he kept his children away from education and medical support since they disappeared in 2021.

“He has taken them and used them as shields in violent criminal offending, and he has put his daughter in harm’s way when he tried to kill a police officer. So this guy is in no way, shape or form a hero.

“Quite the opposite, he’s a monster.”

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September 11, 2025 2:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Too soon for a judgment on Tom Phillips and the tragedy for his family.
  
  Especially since it seems the final shooting may have occurred during a video venture, with police co-operating with a company associated with reality TV.
  
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  September 11, 2025 6:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    No, the camera crew were not there
    
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    September 11, 2025 6:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      But what role, if any, did the video company have in the over-all hunt for Phillips? Was it working with the police over several months?
      
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      September 11, 2025 7:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        None, just as they have no role in the police shows, the paramedic shows, and the hospital shows. They get the ability to ride along, and interview people, that’s it. They weren’t with the officers when Tom tried to kill an officer, they arrived later on. This is also not what the injunction is about. The camera crew doesn’t get any say or role
        
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        September 11, 2025 7:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ah, just like the film crews and reporters taken along with the D-Day invasion.
        
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        September 11, 2025 8:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        News media up and down the country need to think about their monitoring of police radio, after a warning today to those who allegedly recorded messages at the dramatic end to the Phillips hunt.
        
        News editors up and down the country often have someone listening to emergency radio, though the days of such monitoring are numbered.
        
        The police say publication of the Phillips message is a potential breach of the Telecommunications Act. The legislation says that, if a radio message isn’t intended for you, it’s an offence to knowingly make use of information derived from it.
        
        A year ago, Police Minister Mark Mitchell announced the trial in South Canterbury of new digital radio for police and emergency services. At least initially, digital radio should provide the police with more secure radio links than available from present analogue radio.
        
        The digital radio is encrypted, beating any snooping as in the Phillips case.
        
        Police radio roll-out announcement 12 months ago:
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-radio-network-first-responders
        
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        September 11, 2025 9:17pm
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        It sounds like they were given the recordings
        
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        September 11, 2025 9:34pm
tknorriss

I see Stuart Nash has resigned from his job at a recruitment agency after making an accurate if somewhat casual description of what a woman is.

It is very sad that he even felt pressured to take that step. If he had described a man as “a person with a cock and balls” I doubt he would have been forced to resign.
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September 11, 2025 3:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Nash is a chancer .
  
  Over egged the “blokey” hey vote for me NZF schtick .
  
  Ended up with egg on his mug .
  
  oh dear how sad never mind.
  
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  September 11, 2025 5:23pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  It’s probably just as well for NZF that this happened now. Nashy is a loose canon who’s repeatedly showed poor judgement, and would be an embarrassment to the party. They should distance themselves from him too.
  
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  September 11, 2025 5:52pm
- greybeard
  
  Don’t be silly: this person is very high-profile with famous family and political connections, is seeking yet another public position paid by the taxpayers, has years of political and public experience ( and some stupid public and political stuff-ups ), but still appears to have very little judgement and common sense. He has surely demonstrated that he would be a liability for any prospective employer .
  
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  September 11, 2025 6:33pm
- Scooter
  
  Not 100% correct, men have breasts and nipples too. Don’t feel too sad for him, he is an adult and should have known better and actually said it might get him in trouble, before he said it. He just couldn’t stop himself from self promotion and being a bit of a shock jock.
  
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  September 11, 2025 7:37pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360820441/takuta-ferris-defies-leaders-post-amid-te-pati-maori-shake
I reckon that this guy, who has about 1/128th maori blood, is simply rorting the whole maori thing for his own benefit. Let’s face it, to identify as a “maori” at present has enormous financial benefits, as well as guaranteed public exposure. Great for the ego as well as the pocket.
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September 11, 2025 6:40pm
Ghost

Māori party have changed their whip, now, strangely, it is Debbie Ngarewa-Packer

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  Dominatrix of the year: Debbie Ngarewa-Packer!
  
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