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Scott

I don’t know if people are following the election in California but something seems incredibly off. The top two candidates will go on to a run off election to see who will be mayor of Los Angeles.

Spencer Pratt has run a great campaign. Bass the incumbent has done a terrible job and LA is a complete mess. Raman is the 3rd candidate, a far left person.

On the day in person Pratt got 34% of the vote, Bass 29 and Raman 26. Raman gave a tearful concession speech.

But now the mail in votes are swinging heavily Democrat. Not to Bass but to Raman! Raman needs those votes to force Pratt out of the race.

And lo and behold, she gets 37% of the mail in votes received after election day. She only got 20% of the mail in votes received on election day.

They say mail in votes swing heavily Democrat but they didn’t swing to Bass. She got 38% of the mail in by election day and only 34% of the mail in after election day. They only swing to Raman.
(Source manny ottawa Instagram)

Pratt got 27% of mail in before election day and only 19% of mail in after election day.
How can Raman get so much of the late mail in vote and Bass numbers fall?
Basically the stats don’t add up. Raman suddenly gets surges of support for the numbers she needs to knock Pratt out of the race.

In California you can’t vote out the Democrat, no matter how bad a job they do. The elections are rigged in my opinion.
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June 10, 2026 8:04am
- rouppe
  
  Why would mail in votes not generally follow the percentages of in person votes I wonder…
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  “I don’t know if people are following the election in California”
  
  Not many people in LA apparently where less than 30% of registered voters bothered to vote.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:00am
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, and the candidates are the usual not worth voting for rubbish, including Pratt. Election isn’t rigged, it’s California. But fairy tales make a better story
    
    BTW, registered democrat voters in LA are 51%. Registered republican voters is 18% LA is a democrat stronghold
    
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    June 10, 2026 3:06pm
- RoboRob
  
  Ben Shapiro had a good talk around how the system can be gamed. For example California allows vote harvesting (you can go and collect votes from other people), they allow unlimited harvesting (you can get votes of 100s or 1000s or people). So you can, say go out to the homeless, tell them who to vote for, collect their votes and then mail them in.
  
  If you are smart, and these campaigns are, you know how many votes for each candidate you need to get. So without breaking any laws you can go to the 43,000 homeless and essentially vote on their behalf. If they want to vote Rep (unlikely) you can simply chose not to deliver their vote. All legal.
  
  So you can see why the vast majority of mail in votes might be for Dems. The Dems, in this state, have the money and infrastructure to vote harvest and a mass of potential Dem voters who would otherwise not vote.
  
  California also has a rule that if identification is poor you must accept the vote regardless, which opens up to easy law breaking.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Apparently the voter can track their mailed in ballot.
    One woman voted weeks ago and hers hasn’t been counted yet.
    Its possible that they are also binning votes the don’t like.
    
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    June 10, 2026 9:42am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes, but also California takes weeks to count so it is quite possible hers simply hasn’t been counted.
      
      I am not defending the system, its incredibly poor, but you can see how (almost by design) the system gives the impression of vote rigging. Certainly I would say ballot harvesting certainly is both dangerous as it could allow vote tampering etc.
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:52am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, we agree. Just pointing out that not counting a contrary vote is probably easier than mining pro votes.
        
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        June 10, 2026 10:57am
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    ” So you can, say go out to the homeless, tell them who to vote for, collect their votes and then mail them in. ”
    
    Not only can it be done, but it is being done.
    
    O’Keef (or whatever his name is) has video evidence of people going and signing up homeless people and getting them to “vote properly” for a few $ of inducements.
    
    This is a felony, but, obviously, only if prosecuted.
    
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    June 10, 2026 10:07am
    - RoboRob
      
      And its why you get 10s of 1000s of votes all for the same candidate.
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:53am
- NothingLeft
  
  California is now run by an organised crime cartel called the Democrats and has ceased being a democracy. This mafia own supermajorities of all branches of govt, including judiciary to rubber-stamp their malfeasance, they ballot stuff via mail in ballots to ensure their made-men get elected, and have gerrymandered Republican congressional seats down to about 6-7% (compared to 40% Republican votes), and squeeze every productive industry via tax and regulatory approvals to pay the operatives in their vast crime syndicate .
  
  California – and a few other blue states have designed electoral systems to enable mail in ballot fraud and prevent any auditability or tracking of it. There are $10’s to 100’s of billions per year in taxpayer funding being doled out to NGOs and various welfare fraudsters who are of course highly motivated to make sure that the Democrats enabling their income stay in power. They kick back funds to the politicians that deliver their funding and ensure they continue to be supported by their ballot fraud operations as their quid pro quo
  
  Most productive people are leaving – about 1% per year for last few decades, as every indicator of govt performance slides down to near worst-in-nation levels, with state Financial collapse clearly on cards in next decade or two, similar to other Dem cartel states New York and illinois. The Democrat kleptocrat cancer in California could only now be removed by external action from from Federal govt – which is unlikely to happen.
  
  Sensible people who want better will continue to leave, and California will continue to slide into shitter.
  
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  June 10, 2026 10:46am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Surely there must be some solid evidence of this fraud and/or kickbacks which can be detailed and presented to the media.
    
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    June 10, 2026 12:24pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      There is heaps. Endless witness testimony, but Dems own the bureaucracy, police and judiciary in California to prevent official investigation, and have constructed laws to make it impossible to collect documentary evidence via any sort of audit trail. They have made every rule change possible to introduce vast surpluses of mail in ballots into circulation via voting rolls that never remove old addresses or people who move out of state and add anyone with a pulse at every opportunity regardless of if they are entitled to vote or not, outlawing voting ID (more than just making it not required it is actively outlawed) and even make it possible to write in date you vote on a ballot – so you can submit a vote created a week after the election if you say you just write the day of the election on it as a manual ‘post mark.
      
      Most rental properties will now receive 5-10x as many mail in ballots as people who actually live there. Homeless shelters and other NGOs many thousands of ballots for people long since gone. These ballots are then filled in by Dem operatives, frequently getting homeless to sign the forms to become the official fraudsters, and then dumped into collection points to be added to tallys. There is no enforced mechanism for checking their validity because the Democrats wouldn’t benefit from that.
      
      Here’s a homeless women saying she gets $2 to fill in a ballot for an operative.
      https://patriots.win/p/1ASsrqaelq/homeless-women-living-on-skid-ro/c
      
      Raman the come-from-behind Dem LA Mayor candidate that has ‘found’ ~100k mail in votes to push Spencer Pratt of the November Ballot has financial ties into one of the largest homeless NGOs in LA
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:42pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Meet Doris, she lives in California, is registered as a 126 year old who has voted in 51 elections – and didn’t know!
      
      This is the same young guy who uncovered the massive Minnesota fraud simply by visiting places like the “Learing Centre”, which any MSM reporter could have done, but which resulted in them investigating him and his “Far Right” associations. Oh, and his racism, of course.
      
      Now that convictions have been obtained and official reports have torn apart the whole thing, the MSM, especially the Minnesota Star Tribune, has little to say.
      
      Meanwhile In LA it’s a start. Imagine if dozens of MSM reporters plus others were doing this across the entire city. 😅😅😅😅😅
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:50pm
      - RichardX
        
        There are reports that the age of 126 is derived from the same SQL issue that made DOGE look incompetent.
        Her birth date was shown 1 Jan 1900 which is used as a default in the case of data entry errors or omissions.
        
        No evidence she voted in 51 elections and not evidence of fraud.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:22pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I’m glad to see you support cleaning up the electoral roles in LA and California.
        
        Unfortunately the Democrat Party is not interested in doing so.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        So a bit younger than the labor party shadow leader, Ms Clark?
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:46pm
      - RichardX
        
        Tom Hunter
        I’m glad to see you support cleaning up the electoral roles in LA and California.
        
        Unfortunately the Democrat Party is not interested in doing so.
        
        June 10, 2026 2:46pm
        
        Rarely have I seen goal posts moved quite so fast.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:57pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s almost as if insane levels of corruption are not a prob for these lefties. As long as their self righteous backsides are warming institutional seats that’s all that matters.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:17pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Rarely have I seen goal posts moved quite so fast.
        
        Unfortunately deflection moves even faster.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:23pm
      - RichardX
        
        Who deflected away from the accusation of fraud that you raised?
        
        I offered no opinion on the state of the California electoral rolls, just that there was no evidence presented for the alleged fraud.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:48pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Another LA person paid to create a ballot to an operatives specs:
      https://x.com/TONYxTWO/status/2064543255686009327
      
      If you can find a few talking about it then there are vastly more who have done it. Operatives wouldn’t bother if it weren’t outcome determinative – which means at least tens of thousands of fraudulent ballots.
      
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      June 10, 2026 7:26pm
    - leoj
      
      presented to the vastly left-leaning Democrat -funded and supported media….
      
      Fixed it for you.
      
      The media is for all intents and purposes the Democrat Party.
      
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      June 11, 2026 7:05am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Two points on that.
    
    First, it means that the remaining Republicans will become ever more politically marginalised, even at proportions of 30-40%.
    
    Second, it will catch California in other ways, specifically a loss of seats in the House. There was some shock after the 2000 census when, for the first time since its creation in 1850, they gained no seats. People wondered if this was a brief pause in population growth, but then the same thing happened after the 2010 census, and since nothing was getting better economically the only other way was down. Which is exactly what happened after the 2020 census when they lost a seat. After 2030 they may lose 4-5 seats.
    
    BTW, that’s also why the Democrat Party in Washington D.C. fought tooth and nail against Trump 1.0 including the citizenship question in the census. Even if they can’t vote illegal aliens can thus save the Democrat Party from itself. Without that massive influx over the last twenty years they would have lost even more seats and power (it also affects the Electoral College for Presidential races).
    
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    June 10, 2026 12:46pm
    - Drone
      
      Spencer Pratt is a Reality TV Star, so he has a public profile, just not a good one..
      
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      June 10, 2026 6:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        yeah, he was an arrogant prick. Not a very good choice
        
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        June 10, 2026 6:20pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Compared to the appalling incumbent Bass and others like Raman so corrupt and lacking in morals that they would willingly attach their careers to the criminal Democrat kleptocracy that are clearly destroying California he is a godsend. But even a cheese sandwich would be an improvement on the Democrat status quo – as a cheese sandwich isn’t actively malevolent.
        
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        June 10, 2026 6:57pm
- virtualmark
  
  In the 2024 Presidential election Kamala Harris got 70% of the vote in L.A., and Trump got 26%.
  
  In the 2026 mayoral election the two top Democratic candidates combined are at about 63% and the Republican candidate about 26%.
  
  If anything I’m surprised that Pratt, who has much less name recognition than Trump, no track record of governing, and a somewhat dubious past, has equalled Trump’s vote share.
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:50pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Fun fact; Kamala rose to prominence as attorney general in California that she won in 2010 against a republican opponent, only after a protracted period of counting mail-in and provisional ballots in what was a suspiciously tight race. Dem cheating in California has been going on a long time.
    
    Karen Bass has been unbelievably terrible as mayor, Palisades fire – and (Dem) mismanagement that caused it were crime-level incompetence. But the LA NGO and public sector fraud machine needs a Dem Mayor to keep the spice flowing….
    
    Looking at how the vote tallies have been trending it is clear that there is colossal fuckery afoot. Bass and Pratt a bit more than doubling since election day with similar proportionality in mail in ballots, but Raman up more than 3x.
    https://x.com/SenEricSchmitt/status/2064112720220160147
    
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    June 10, 2026 5:07pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Reality check: California has twice as many registered Democrats as registered Republicans. https://independentvoterproject.org/voter-stats/ca
      
      So why is it so hard to believe that Democrats win elections in California? Do you have any proof that this election is rigged? Or just “feelz”? Or do you just stand up and bark like a trained seal when Fox News says you should? (you independent thinker you).
      
      I agree that Bass seems to be useless. I doubt I would vote for her if I lived in LA. But it doesn’t surprise me that she’s leading the LA mayoral race.
      
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      June 10, 2026 6:28pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I’m not surprised Dems are leading, but Raman’s mail in votes being hugely out of proportion to her on the day result compared to Prat and Bass sticks out like dog balls. Especially given her tie ins to homelessness welfare industry.
        
        We know there is large scale ballot harvesting happening, with reports from so many individuals across many election cycles – showing up numerous incidents where troves of hundreds of unused ballots have been found due to fraud operative screwups – an effort that would only happen if they were being put to use to win elections.
        
        DNC operatives wouldn’t do it unless it was delivering electorally significant results. The key thing they care about in the mayoral race is to prevent a non-Democrat winning who might endanger the $Billions flowing to welfare fraudsters and public sector unions so of course they needed to fraud their blackened little hearts out to lift #3 Ramen to displace #2 Pratt on the Nov election ballot just to be safe.
        
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        June 10, 2026 7:12pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Okay, well two simple questions:
        1) If this election is “rigged” then who is doing the rigging? Is it California Democrats as a whole? Karen Bass’ campaign? Raman’s campaign? Just who is screwing the scrum?
        2) If you were Karen Bass would you rather have the run-off election against Raman, where you would have to fight with her for the Democrat voter, or against Pratt, where you can draw on a 2:1 Dem:GOP voter advantage?
        
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        June 10, 2026 8:31pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  You do not have a single shred of fact to hang that on, other than your own bias, and a quick examination as to how this is quite plausible may be of value.
  
  First of all, the vote takes place on a Tuesday, which is a day that is a working day, so mail in ballots are a more likely outcome (unlike NZ, where we vote on Saturdays).
  
  Mail in ballots are more likely to come from people who are more politically engaged and actually wish to have their vote counted. As such, they are probably MORE representative of the majority than ballots cast on the day.
  
  Also, as has been clearly demonstrated in multiple jurisdictions in multiple cases, not a single accusation of electoral fraud has been proven or upheld in any single court in the US.
  
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  June 10, 2026 3:10pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    You can’t find proof of malfeasance when you prevent investigation and traceability, outlaw investigation, control the police and judiciary and can pay off or persecute potential whistleblowers. Absence of proof is a feature of a system of processes designed specifically to enable large-scale ballot fraud.
    
    It would be extremely easy to prevent significant fraud, using methods employed in every other democracy, real ID checks on ballot returns, and checks of valid enrollment, maintenance of properly curated voting rolls etc, but California and other Blue jurisdictions in the US go out of their way to write laws and create processes that prevent such verification methods being used and make auditing impossible, and are stone-walling highly popular (80-90% of all voters polled) initiatives like the SAVE Act to require such methods to be employed.
    
    That is the clearest signal possible that Democrats are cheating their arses off, and every honest person can see it. Only irredeemably tribal ends-justifies-means anti-democracy might-makes-right left try to defend it.
    
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    June 10, 2026 5:22pm
    - virtualmark
      
      There is rarely ever direct proof of a crime, such as “it’s captured on video”. But you typically have witness testimony, circumstantial evidence, bank records, phone data, security access records etc etc.
      
      Trump has had more than 60 opportunities to prove election fraud – including in Republican-run jurisdictions where the Democrats would be in no place to stop an investigation. But he’s never got close to demonstrating fraud. So either this is the tightest and best run conspiracy of all time, or Trump is just a bad loser who squeals like a pig.
      
      Just because a Republican loses an election doesn’t mean there must be fraud. It probably just means that the voter demographics don’t align with the GOP’s platform, and/or that the GOP candidate didn’t appeal to the voters.
      
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      June 10, 2026 6:33pm
Yvette

Lessening the status of UNDRIP by increasing its legislative power?
And who actually writes New Zealanders legislation?

With apparently no one in National or Act — including Trade minister Todd McClay and David Seymour — knowing how the UNDRIP clause entered the [India] trade agreement, an accusatory finger is being repeatedly pointed at bureaucratic meddlers …

“The Ministry of Foreign Affairs have a specific Māori partnership organisation. They have gone about inserting this, in spite of the minister, I suspect.” – David Seymour.
https://www.brashandmitchell.com/post/graham-adams-is-undrip-really-an-easy-win-for-winston

A test of political competence of National, ACT and New Zealand First will surely be whether the clause is passed or ruled out.
That simple.
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June 10, 2026 8:18am
- R
  
  Sounds a bit like politically driven corruption within our bureacracy. Who eould have thought!
  
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  June 10, 2026 10:28am
- JJ56
  
  The problem will be whether Labour will support the necessary legislation enabling the FTA without it.
  
  For my money something well worth testing them on, but is there the backbone?
  
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  June 10, 2026 12:22pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Looks like Labour will support the removal which makes me wonder how likely both China and America will go at each other within the next 10-15 years.
    That Indian FTA could go from a dog to an insurance policy that pays off.
    
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    June 10, 2026 3:15pm
- Damocles11
  
  Winston asleep at the wheel.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:32pm
Simon

No gay marriage in China. They hate us because of our freedoms. Increase defence spending so China may have gay marriage in God’s own time.
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June 10, 2026 8:23am
- leoj
  
  Why do gays even want to marry?
  
  What is the divorce rate?
  
  Would not be surprised if it’s higher than “normal” marriage.
  
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  June 11, 2026 7:08am
jp_1983

I have come across a whole bunch of Youtube Channels recently showing old documentaries that would otherwise go down the memory hole –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDTy5ivncw

This one covers the William Bell murders – I see that David Garrett and a few other commentators were featured. –

One question that escapes me was that did Tai Hobson ever get an ex gratia payment – I know that Susan Couch eventually got a payment.

Watching this today wonders has much changed?
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June 10, 2026 8:29am
- David Garrett
  
  jp: I was Tai Hobson’s lawyer back in the day. I can confirm he did eventually get an ex gratia payment – albeit years after Mary’s murder, and only because Ray Smith took over as head of Corrections – probably ten years ago now – and only after a huge amount of lobbying on our part.
  
  We also sued the Crown for inter alia misfeasance in public office for allowing Bell to be working at the RSA – and various other mismanagements of his parole – when because of his record he could never possibly have got a bar manager’s licence, and thus should never been allowed to work there. The deaths of three people – and the terrible injuries suffered by Susan Couch – are directly on the Mangere Probation office and the staff there at the time.
  
  The Crown threw everything against us – including the head of the litigation division of Crown Law at the time – and about three junior counsel. They were terrified that the goings on at the Mangere Probation office at the relevant time would come to light.
  
  It was quite literally unbelievable what was happening – including staff having sex with and smoking dope with parolees they were supposed to be supervising. Including William Dwane Bell.
  
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  June 10, 2026 12:06pm
  - jp_1983
    
    Thanks David for the reply, most appreciated. – Yes I recognized you in the feature – I thought you came across really well.
    
    I’m glad that he got a payout eventually in the end.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:37pm
    - David Garrett
      
      jp: I had never seen that doco…reminds me of when my hair was still light brown!
      
      But fuck…I was carrying a bit of weight!
      
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      June 10, 2026 3:04pm
Scooter

Michael Laws on MPs allowances, from about 11mins, how they loaded the MPs allowances and freezed the pay.
Back bench MP’s get $19,000 tax free for starters, wouldn’t that be nice for the average tax payer let alone an MP on $181,000 per year. Plus an allowance to stay in Wellington even though you own a home mortgage free.

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/the-shifty-ways-that-mps-pay-themselves-way-more-than-their-salaries
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June 10, 2026 8:38am
- pdm
  
  ` how they loaded the MPs allowances and freezed the pay.’
  
  Saw it last night Scooter.
  
  That was a Murray McCully ruse.
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:43am
- Albie
  
  Scooter, reminds me of my years in engineering at AirNZ. The unions used to declare “wins” by negotiating allowances like rain money or travel payments. The management generally held firm on minimal increases to wages and salaries. Over the years new employees progressively were not entitled to allowances enjoyed by existing staff. The management definitely outsmarted the unions IMHO.
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:52am
  - leoj
    
    All unions are a cancer on business.
    
    Public Service unions in particular should be banned because they hold the country to ransom while being funded by the tax payer.
    
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    June 11, 2026 7:11am
David Garrett

And another one:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360990490/police-arrest-sudanese-suspect-belfast-stabbing-st

It’s an attempted beheading – very much favoured by adherents of the religion of peace, and the attacker is Sudanese – but police “have no reason to suspect the attack is terrorism related”

At least it seems as if the British people – at long last – are finally waking up and saying “enough”.
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June 10, 2026 8:41am
- redeye
  
  I started to watch this video. It was sickening. The NZ Herald also reported it as sickening.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/appeals-for-calm-after-sickening-belfast-stabbing-spurs-protest-calls
  However one part caught my eye;-
  
  The video from Belfast shows a man straddling another man lying in a street and slashing him several times in the head and neck with a knife, in what far-right figures claimed was an attempted beheading.
  
  It’s difficult to deny this guy was trying to cut his victims head off. So watch the video and you’ll become ‘far-right’ as well.
  I asked AI to check how often the NZ Herald had used that term compared to far-left this year.
  Far Right – approx 20-25
  Far Left – approx 2-5
  Judge for yourselves.
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:47am
- Cassandra
  
  This guy moved from Dublin to Belfast to clim asylum, presumably because the Poms are even more generous than the Irish. UK vetting is hopeless. How do you vet someone from Sudan? The UK needs to review its immigration policy. So does NZ!
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:51am
  - kowtow
    
    And the response from the so called mainstream politicians is …….uh oh there’ll be a “far right” reaction. Instead of sorting out their border and insane asylum policies.
    
    ps it’s not the far right who’s reacting , it’s the ordinary , very long suffering middle and working classes. But then in many ways they too are to blame for voting for the so called centre , who long since abandoned any pretence of being normal or even remotely interested in the concerns of their own voter base.
    
    See “rivers of blood” speech.
    
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    June 10, 2026 9:00am
    - imalwaysright
      
      It is likely that the rest of the scumbag’s cronies will leave the North of their own accord if they have any sense of situational awareness.
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:29am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Yes, I’ve seen a bit of social scientific commentary basically blaming the uneducated working classes for ever wanting to vote for a party such as One Nation…
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:40am
  - David Garrett
    
    Cass: I find it deeply concerning that despite the overwhelming evidence from Europe that Islam is totally incompatible with European values, the issue is not even on the political radar here.
    
    Meanwhile the 1.5% of our population that are Muslim reproduce like rabbits, while our birth rate is much less than replacement – and there is no sign that that will change any time soon.
    
    And for the umpteenth time I make the point that no matter how well you vet Muslim “refugees”, you can have absolutely no idea how their children – born in the country which took in their parents – will turn out. Until we can accurately and reliably tell that, we shouldn’t be letting even one more in.
    
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    June 10, 2026 9:06am
    - Notsofast
      
      Chris Luxons annual craven fawning to Islam at the onset of the ridiculous Ramadan cult of malnutrition rules out National as a party to be voted for. There are alternatives that recognise the hazard of Islam, which is not a religion, but a cult.
      I wonder where Elliot Ikilei stands on this, not that I care particularly for any religion.
      
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      June 10, 2026 9:18am
      - Taieri
        
        the ridiculous Ramadan cult of malnutrition
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        Some of our compatriots could well join this cult…
        
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        June 10, 2026 11:31am
      - Prince
        
        Lent ?
        
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        June 10, 2026 12:44pm
    - cmm (semi-retired edition)
      
      DG: Not quite right mate…
      
      “you can have absolutely no idea how their children – born in the country which took in their parents – will turn out.”
      
      Actually, you can have some idea. Not in every individual case, but on average.
      
      There is a statistical concept called called reversion to the mean (or regression to the mean). Broadly speaking, that means that the children of outliers will tend to be much more like normal.
      
      In other words, if you are short, chances are your children are taller than you and more like the average you come from. If you are tall, chances are your children will be shorter than you and more like the average.
      
      If you are very stupid, chances are your children will be cleverer than you, if you are brilliant then chances are your children will be dumber than you.
      
      So if we we cherry pick just “clever Muslims” (ie. the engineers and doctors we want), chances are their children are far more like the average Muslims we don’t want.
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:15am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Overlooked is that aspects of human behavior are strongly genetically coded.
        
        Things that made your genes more likely to succeed in context of a polygamous parasite culture predating the silk road trade where most young men never had a chance of having kids – other than through violent action to overcome their lowly starts in life as a few rich men hoarded all the wealth and women don’t translate well to modern west. Specifically interest in and tendency to violence and banditry would be more likely to exist in their genes after a few millennia of that context.
        
        Contrast to west and east asia where rigid monarchies and govts with monopolies on violence governing primarily farming economies have been killing off bandits in a very systematic and organised way for millenia, And the genes for success were directed towards hard work and diligence rather than violence and banditry.
        
        Toss in cold climates that punished genes of people who didn’t plan ahead to store food for long winters and necessitate the creation of family structures where grandparents could continue to contribute to survival of children.
        
        Genetically coded behavioral norms and tendencies will be very different in these cultures.
        
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        June 10, 2026 11:05am
      - David Garrett
        
        cmm: Although I am not a numbers man, I think I understand what you are saying – in a nutshell, if I understand you correctly, you are saying if we accept “moderate” and well educated Muslims their children are more not less likely to become radicalized than the children of a working class Muslim? Even more reason not to take one more them.
        
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        June 10, 2026 12:26pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        DG: Yes, basically you hit the nail on the head.
        
        The child of that heart specialist we import from country X is very much an outlier and is very unlikely to also be a heart specialist and more likely to be a taxi driver.
        
        Lower IQ people in a high IQ country are far more likely to feel disaffected – making them prime material for being radicalized etc.
        
        And this is not just brain surgeons’ offspring either.
        
        Immigrants are far more likely to be organised and diligent (it generally takes some effort to get off your arse and move, do the paperwork etc). Immigration is in itself a filter of the more capable folk (ie. they are better than where they come from – not necessarily better than where they are going to).
        
        But their kids are less likely to have that immigrant spark. Thus children of immigrants are for more likely to feel lost in their new country and become ripe pickings for the radicals.
        
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        June 10, 2026 1:54pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        If you want immigrants who’s kids will be smart and good contributors then look mostly to global north; Europeans, Mongolians and other east Asians, add Persians as long as they’re irreligious.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:05pm
    - David George
      
      There’s no lack of courageous, competent and concerned people making those points, David. Maybe send your MP a copy of Dan Burmawi’s ‘Islam, Israel and the West’
      “If you get Islam wrong, you will get the Arab–Israeli conflict wrong. You will misunderstand the immigration crisis reshaping the West. You will be blind to how the greatest civilization ever created is slowly being erased and replaced. And you will fail to appreciate the Judeo-Christian faith, and the culture it built, that gave the world liberty, dignity, and order.
      
      In Islam, Israel and the West, Danny Burmawi makes sure you get Islam right. Writing as a former Muslim who left the Middle East for freedom in the West, Burmawi exposes what Islam truly is: not simply a private religion, but a political-theological system with global ambitions.
      
      He dissects the Arab–Israeli conflict from a perspective rarely heard, showing why Israel is not just a country in dispute but the frontline of a centuries-old religious war. He explains why Islam and Western civilization are fundamentally incompatible, why “Abrahamic religions” is a misleading framework, and why language games like “Islamism” exist to protect Islam from scrutiny while its influence spreads.”
      https://www.amazon.com/ISLAM-ISRAEL-WEST-Muslims-Analysis-ebook/dp/B0FP16RQW8
      
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      June 10, 2026 12:17pm
    - Paulus
      
      This is why the West, including Israel, can never succeed or win the Middle East as the Muslims who control almost everything, are synonimous with integrated death and violence to achieve it.
      
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      June 10, 2026 12:50pm
      - Taieri
        
        Why should the West succeed or win in the Middle East?
        Leave the Middle East to itself and half of the world’s problems will disappear. Arabs are lovely in Arabia and may they stay there.
        Should the West also “win” or “succeed” in China?
        
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        June 10, 2026 1:45pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Readers may be interested in this Substack piece by a former Muslim, The Habitat and the Specimen.
      
      There is a concept in ecology called the ecological release, the phenomenon that occurs when a species is removed from its native habitat, stripped of the predators, competitors, and environmental pressures that shaped its behavior over millennia, and placed in a new environment where those constraints no longer apply. The organism does not become a different species. But it behaves differently.
      
      And so…
      
      Your Sunni Muslim friend outside his habitat is not lying to you. He is genuinely warm, genuinely tolerant, genuinely committed to the pluralism he expresses in your company. Your Shia Muslim colleague at the office is not performing a deception when she treats her non-Muslim coworkers with respect, humor, and the full human complexity that makes her someone you would call a friend. The hijabless educated woman you know, funny, irreverent, entirely comfortable in Western social environments, is not a fraud. She is exactly who she appears to be. And she is not a representation of Islam.
      
      She is a specimen in ecological release.
      
      What she is not carrying into your office, your dinner party, your neighborhood, what the native habitat produces and the diasporic environment suppresses, is the full weight of the theological and social system that shapes Muslim behavior when the group is the majority, when the theology is the enforcement mechanism, when the mosque and the neighborhood and the family and the state are all pointing in the same direction, and when the individual Muslim who might personally prefer tolerance is no longer protected by the ambient pluralism of a liberal society but is instead embedded in a community where deviance from theological norms carries genuine social, familial, and sometimes physical cost.
      
      Observing Britain, France, Germany and Sweden it would seem that it requires only a local majority in enclaves to create the second situation.
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:42pm
      - Taieri
        
        it requires only a local majority in enclaves to create the second situation
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        The “enclaves” aka ghettos are the result of the “too many in a too short time”. You can’t expect successful integration let alone assimilation if you import a great number of similar people from a different culture into a previously homogeneous country.
        
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        June 10, 2026 1:49pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’ve known many Muslims as work mates, neighbours, tradies and casual acquaintances over the years and none of them are homicidal maniacs, far from it.
      I have two friends whose lives were forever effected by a non Muslim homicidal maniac in Christchurch
      
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      June 10, 2026 2:04pm
      - Cassandra
        
        Swallows, summers. It’s unfair but why take the risk? No Moslems. None. Nada.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:25pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I’ve known a few Muslims, as work mates only, over the years and none of them are homicidal maniacs, far from it.
        
        I have two friends whose lives were forever effected by a group of Muslim homicidal maniacs in New York City and another friend whose life is forever effected by a group of Muslim homicidal maniacs in London.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:48pm
      - David Garrett
        
        MCos” Oh dear…may I suggest that you carefull re-read cmm’s comment above, at 1.54 pm? And then read it a second time.
        
        Your argument – actually its a non argument – is a variation of what a commenter here known as Stupid Boy (by the rest of us) used to raise: “All the 55 Muslim refugees in Dunedin are lovely people” – and of course that may well be right. It is also totally irrelevant.
        
        It completely ignores what their children may end up being, and cmm’s point of “reversion to the mean”
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:15pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Many lives were affected by Muslim fanatics when they flew planes into the twin towers or drove trucks into crowds of people. You don’t get to make an excuse for that.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:34pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      A reference would be nice, David.
      Or is it just your opinion?
      
      Meanwhile the 1.5% of our population that are Muslim reproduce like rabbits,
      
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      June 10, 2026 4:29pm
  - Eastlander
    
    A critical first step would be withdrawal from the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. By signing the thing we gave away our right to have an immigration policy made for the country’s benefit and undertook to accommodate any filthy vagrant with a sob story we can’t hope to check.
    
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    June 10, 2026 9:15am
    - cmm (semi-retired edition)
      
      Clearly times are different. The refugee situation post WW2 is very different to 2026.
      
      The idea that 1951 principles and concerns should be driving modern refugee policy is beyond absurd.
      
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      June 10, 2026 11:20am
    - Paulus
      
      Trace what happend to the children of the vessel Tampa which Helen Clark took many Muslim refugees into New Zealand to satisfy the UN
      Parents probably still here sucessfully but chidren eg male all took citizenshion as offered and opted to Australia to the Communities in say Sydney where they expect everything and no jobs.
      No violence ???
      Oy Veh !
      
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      June 10, 2026 3:41pm
  - rouppe
    
    First he went to Paris. Then he FLEW to Dublin. Then he went to Belfast. Then he claimed asylum.
    
    That should render him ineligible for asylum in Ireland from the get-go
    
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    June 10, 2026 9:42am
    - kowtow
      
      And the great and the good go on about the international rules based order.
      
      There isn’t one .Due the the craven behaviour of so called mainstream politicians.
      
      And the “order” was restored in this instance by a civilian with a hurley stick , so I assume he’s Catholic.Well done that man. ( Starmer , hermer and Co will prolly wants him on charges)
      
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      June 10, 2026 10:46am
  - NothingLeft
    
    looks like the first stirrings of anti -immigrant pogroms are also happening in Ireland, bands of protestors walking streets evicting foreigners and burning their houses:
    https://xcancel.com/Worldsource24/status/2064444065140117998
    
    Kinda feels like there has been a sea-change of late, and this level of anti-immigrant response is now primed and waiting just under the calm-looking surface of society in Europe.
    
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    June 10, 2026 12:01pm
    - mogg
      
      For decades the UK has voted for less immigration, and what do they get mass immigration, refugees, fake asylum seekers and nobody knows how many illegals. Now they wonder why people ate rioting and burning.
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:51pm
- Scooter
  
  Why do they keep gaslighting by saying it’s not terrorism, as if it makes it less serious. Isn’t the fact that these people are just walking amongst us and wanting to attack randomly even more of a threat.
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:53am
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    Putting the emphasis on terrorism vs not terrorism is creating a strawman and confusion.
    
    The real issue is incompatibility of various cultures.
    
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    June 10, 2026 1:57pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Let’s understand what terrorism is… before we jump on one nutcase attacking another person.
    
    Terrorism is the premeditated use or threat of violence—usually against civilians—to create a state of fear for political, religious, ideological, or social goals.
    
    But of course the non rational thinkers & MSM will bleat terrorism when a “foreign”” nut job attacks somebody else.
    
    If this guy had been a white pom. Terrorism would not have beenmentioned.
    
    Because he is a Somali refugee, then it’s terrorism.
    
    I am looking forward to why this guy attacked somebody with a kitchen knife.!!!
    
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    June 10, 2026 4:35pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Here’s a video showing the attack with the reaction of residents.
  It took about 4 full whacks with a hurling bat to drop the scumbag.
  https://youtu.be/U1wowNB-j3g?si=edV8rbdlEIBV4FpE
  
  Its a Catholic neighbourhood with the Protestant neighbourhood close by.
  About 400 Protestants turned up to support the Catholic residents.
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:57am
  - David Garrett
    
    Imalways: That vid is very encouraging…sadly it will take 10 years – by which time I will be long past being “active” – before we begin to wake up here.
    
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    June 10, 2026 12:50pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      DG
      Unfortunately we in NZ see this as a problem that is a world away.
      
      I’m a citizen of both countries and have seen what people can do to each other.
      
      Thinking that it can never happen here is exactly what the people of Northern Ireland used to think.
      
      We thought that they would never try that crap here.. we’re ready, we’re tough, we took on the British army etc.
      
      NZ is a puppy in a zoo.
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:46pm
- yobi
  
  Whist those in Northern Ireland have British passports, they are still at heart Irish. Islam should leave the Irish alone, it will not end well for them.
  
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  June 10, 2026 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    The Irish govt is incredibly pro Pally , anti Israel, as is the so called nationalist “community” in NI ,whereas the Loyalists are very pro Israel.
    
    Broadly speaking.
    
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    June 10, 2026 3:41pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Indeed it is,
      If anything Ireland will be the Barometer / catalyst for the rest of Europe.
      They are not happy even before the recent event.
      
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      June 10, 2026 4:53pm
- Ruawai
  
  The Irish will be wishing they could go back to ‘The Troubles’ when it was Protestant Irish vs Catholic Irish and North vs South and shake hands rather than have these new troubles.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:27am
- lifesgood
  
  I hope you’re right, David, but we have been hearing the UK is finally waking up for a long time now and nothing has changed.
  
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  June 10, 2026 10:07am
- G152
  
  In Britain the muslims are so anti dog that could be where they destroy their attempt at taking over.
  
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  June 10, 2026 10:14am
- Philview
  
  The British police are probably weighing up charging the guy who ran in with the hockey stick. “Racially motivated assault”
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:43am
- Southern Raider
  
  Check out the Facebook posts of Labour MPs in NZ over the last couple of weeks. Heavily in election mode and a lot of the posts have been taken at Mosques or Islamic community centres.
  
  Not hard to see what ethnic group Labour is targeting for votes in NZ
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:00pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360990576/train-crash-was-fourth-run-red-light-wellington-past-year

It’s shouldn’t take 2 years to sort this out then??
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June 10, 2026 8:41am
rouppe

I don’t know if I’m late to this party but, the underlying cause of the train crash in Wellington has been identified:

The train that crashed into a concrete barrier on Wellington’s Johnsonville Line at the weekend was the fourth train on the capital’s rail network to pass a red signal in the past year, rail operators have revealed.

The driver ran a red light, and the safety systems worked properly diverting the train down the spur.

Transdev’s Tonia Haskell told Wellington councillors on Tuesday there had been four “signal passed at danger” incidents in 12 months. In railway terms, that means a train has moved past a stop signal.

Four. Train drivers get paid pretty well as far as I know. It is appalling this has happened four times in the last year.

So now 80% of the review is complete. We know the reason. Now it’s just a matter of investigating the driver.

Two years for the review my arse.
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June 10, 2026 8:42am
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes, two years to work out why a train crashed, but in the meantime the trains will be running…?
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:09am
Tauhei Notts

California must be a source of knowledge for our country’s legislators. Our country must learn from California’s mistakes and ensure that our election results are fair and PROPER.
I have found on a number of occasions that to learn from my mistakes is an expensive exercise. To learn from the mistakes that others make can be very cost effective.
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June 10, 2026 8:42am
- zulumonster
  
  I have always tried to laugh at, and learn from my mistakes. One example that I learned very quickly is to never laugh at my wifes mistakes.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:30am
artemisia

The widow of a high profile person is very unhappy with the coroner’s findings, telling the media the report did not deliver justice. She wants an inquest to be held “saying it was needed not only to rigorously test the evidence but also to honour the cultural and spiritual needs of the family and wider Pacific community”.

The coroner’s findings as reported in the media look to an outside observer to traverse the specific circumstances widely. Could it be this the widow is unhappy about?

The Coroner found Fa’anana died of cardiac disease arising from complications of diabetes, obesity and hypertension after suffering a cardiac arrest during the event at Te Komititanga Square.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/597572/former-green-mp-efeso-collins-family-devastated-and-disappointed-after-coroner-s-report
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June 10, 2026 8:55am
- David Garrett
  
  art: Spot on. Obesity and the diabetes that often follows it is a massive problem among Islanders. Every day in downtown Nuku’alofa I see people who are clearly morbidly obese – sadly some of them are children. They will not make old bones. Some won’t even reach 30.
  
  A visiting palangi doc of my acquaintance says that every single day he sees patients to whom he says “you are eating yourself to death”. Said patient(s) often return a month or two later and they are even bigger.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:10am
  - Paulus
    
    It would appear that South Auckland, as an example has the similar problem but just deliverd by now Air and not currently canoe, that many of the islands have and are passed on from generations to other ethnicities.
    Remember where Maori last came from too.
    
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    June 10, 2026 12:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Efeso Collins had had a stomach reduction operation
  and it’s more than possible he and his wife thought that he would be “healthy” when he lost weight.
  
  https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/efeso-collins-reveals-mental-and-physical-health-struggles-lead-up-to-auckland-mayoral-election-45573/
  
  Clearly they didn’t understand that a great deal of damage done to his heart & arteries while he was obese wasn’t reversible.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:28am
  - waikatosinger
    
    We have models in Hollywood on Ozempic who look like walking skeletons. The morbidly obese would benefit from this drug, but it is mostly taken by crazy women to help them starve themselves.
    
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    June 10, 2026 10:16am
  - Notsofast
    
    It is always sad to see people rail against the results following the medical process.
    There are countless unnecessary procedures and medications happening daily, in all fields, gender, knees and in dentistry too.
    The incentives are completely wrong. It is amazing the ability for the body to self correct.
    
    RIP all those who sucked the kumara.
    
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    June 10, 2026 10:16am
  - Sacha
    
    Most people are very ignorant about the functions of the human body, & especially about weight gain.
    And some are in denial of the way their behaviour affects their ability to control body weight and are too weak willed to follow dietary/exercise instruction.
    This was brought home to me a good few years ago when a very successful young (35-ish) businessman wanted to have a stomach reduction operation, which he had heard would solve his rather huge weight gain problems. Just a simple op, ok? And then all the weight would disappear.
    Several surgeons advised him that they would not operate until he he had lost a lot of weight (I can’t remember the exact numbers) due to the danger to his heart – this was a man who had to sleep sitting up because he couldn’t breathe – and managed to delay the operation until the day that it became obvious that he would die very soon if the heart problem wasn’t addressed, due to the over weight burden. So the op was performed, and the patient spent a couple of weeks in ICU. He hated it, because he had no control over his calorie intake, and we were all very relieved when he was transferred to a ward where he ran riot, ordered takeaway food and seemed to be on a path to self destruction because he expected to be able to carry on as he had before.
    In the end, everyone seemed to shrug their shoulders and he was sent home, mobile, but none the lighter for his experience. He died ‘unexpectedly’ a few weeks afterwards.
    My Mother used to say: moderation in all things for a long and healthy life, and I think she was right.
    
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    June 10, 2026 10:29am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Two friends have had stomach reductions.
    They have to go on a diet for the foreseeable future.
    
    I haven’t asked them why they didn’t go on the diet first and thereby not need surgery.
    And I’m not going to…
    
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    June 10, 2026 10:44am
    - RoboRob
      
      I believe the answer is simple.
      
      If you diet you are hungry, if you have a stomach staple you need less food before feeling full. So it is much easier to ‘diet’ afterwards. Also the diet is actually about not eating too much that your stomach expands again.
      
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      June 10, 2026 11:28am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Chicken or the egg….?
        
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        June 10, 2026 11:40am
      - pjams
        
        I had a friend who had one. All of their family was ‘big’ and this friend was very actively involved in exercise but still big. They are also very successful in their field of work so definitely not someone lazy or lacking in motivation. They paid for it privately. As part of it they had to show they could control their diet (and so lose X amount of weight before hand, it wasn’t a huge amount – TBH, most people can lose a couple of kg if needed – it is losing 50kg that makes it hard to maintain), and the cost included counselling which included seeing if there is any particular triggers for eating (such as a trauma earlier on in life). One of the things they were told in offside chatter during the process (ie not officially) is that it is suspected that the operation helps with a hormone reset in many people as well – I suppose like the GLP meds impact hormones – which helped with the weight loss. There are a lot of judgmental people in the world who just say ‘go on a diet’ – these are people that don’t have food noise in their head on a near constant basis. Probably the same people that tell alcoholics to just stop drinking and drug addicts that going cold turkey will be a piece of cake. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean everyone is the same.
        
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        June 10, 2026 1:41pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Fried chicken or an egg?
        
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        June 10, 2026 1:50pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        Well it’s a bit more than that.
        If your stomach has been reduced to the size of a golfball then you can’t physically eat what you did.
        If you tried, you would either immediately throw up or maybe rip up the operation.
        
        These are extreme procedures and require ongoing life-long careful management.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:02pm
      - Flossie
        
        I don’t think it’s quite that simple. There’s a lot of underlying psychology going on. If it were that easy nobody would get fat in the first place, as we’d stop eating when our original sized stomachs were full. Clearly obese people didn’t stop.
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:03pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Spot on Flossie
        
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        June 10, 2026 2:37pm
- rouppe
  
  Because what they want is to have some court say that the ~~taxpayer~~ government didn’t give him enough free access to expensive services because of his skin colour.
  
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  June 10, 2026 9:44am
- Handyman
  
  We see this all the time. There are always calls for government to regulate personal choices.
  This week, a young woman led the UK government to force social platforms (Google et al) to somehow stop young people sending nude photos to each other. Her argument was that Google should have prevented her from sending nude photos of herself to her boyfriend.
  In effect, the UK government has required Google et al to provide the AI technology for inspecting to flag/censor all emails according to criteria which may change from time to time. The only question is which Ministry will operate the system.
  
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  June 10, 2026 10:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  The GLP (glucogen like peptides) are absolutely revolutionary. Ozempic was the first, but there are many more being brewed and tested with even better results, and likely not easy to patent – as the feedstock chemicals are so cheap and easily synthesized and blended and there are many back-channel sources.
  
  We are now also finding that some have massive benefits in reducing not only cardiovascular risk and diabetes but also cancer and other chronic diseases too.
  
  New hot-thing is Retarutide – nearing FDA approval – that looks like it will basically end obesity, and even with some side effects the reduction in other damage and massive costs imposes on health systems etc by obesity makes these drugs a god-send
  
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  June 10, 2026 12:15pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    I am sure these help obesity, but what are the longterm implications?
    
    Do they rip your liver and kidneys to shreds?
    
    Ozempic etc seem reasonable for people who want a quick shortcut – so long as they then get off them and maintain their lowered wight through proper diet etc. If they’re going to keep eating the same and just go on an Ozempic binge every few months that hardly sounds like much of an improvement.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:05pm
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Authorship of UNDRIP clause in the India FTA
With apparently no one in National or Act — including Trade minister Todd McClay and David Seymour — knowing how the UNDRIP clause entered the [India] trade agreement, an accusatory finger is being repeatedly pointed at bureaucratic meddlers …
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The Speaker’s Powers
The Speaker of the House enforces the Parliamentary Rules. If a piece of legislation lacked a clear author or sponsor, the Speaker should immediately rule it out of order, halting its progress entirely.

Now that a portion of proposed legislation appears and Ministers involved (add Winston to those above) are ignorant of the authorship of the particular section should the Speaker not investigate and take appropriate action?
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June 10, 2026 9:13am
- Yvette
  
  As R comments above –
  Sounds a bit like politically driven corruption within our bureaucracy. Who would have thought!
  
  So, if that is accurate, Parliament now has two problems to correct –
  
  1 – That the UNDRIP clause should be removed, especially considering the Indian attitude to the matter (all Indians are considered indigenous people) and the National / New Zealand Coalition Agreement aspiration regarding UNDRIP status, and
  
  2 – locate and stop the apparent “politically driven corruption within our bureaucracy”
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:30am
- imalwaysright
  
  Very good point Yvette.
  
  Gerry or the GG should stop or repeal any progress of this agreement until the Parliament knows who wrote it.
  
  But this is NZ, the rules are only applied where convenient.
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:50am
- Ghost
  
  It’s not before the speaker he cannot do anything, it is in select committee. It will be up to the whole house. Still, there isn’t anything to really give a stuff about. A side letter will deal to it. This is a nothing burger, the actual story is who put it in there without govt approval and why wasn’t it in the ministers brief.
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:58am
Observant Octagenarian

Good to see Labour’s new transport policy released ($20 max per week on tickets).
I bet the consultants for the new ticketing systems are rubbing their hands with glee. This policy will require adding some significant new features to their systems.
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June 10, 2026 11:27am
- Handyman
  
  This is getting close to being more economic to just be free.
  Fire the ticket collectors and the accountants and the debt collectors. Fire the travel analysts and remove the tag on/off stations.
  Stop the $1 billion ticketing system devlopment.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:11pm
slightlyrighty

So Labour have announced that their new policy is to cap public transport fares at $20 per week.

Anything over that will be free.

They have costed this at $65,000,000.

$65,000,000 a year equals $1,250,000 per week, or $178,570 per day.

Based on an average fare of say $5.00 (Standard Peak Time Train from Petone to Wellington) this works out to 35714 trips, or 17857 return trips per day.

Auckland alone sees 200000 to 240000k public transport trips every day. How the hell can Labour claim a costing of $65,000,000 per year with a straight face??
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June 10, 2026 11:38am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  So the tax and rate payer is going to have to subside metropolitan public transport even more using their own wages thanks to the intervention to the hopeful next Labour money tree ?. Great policy Labour. I am sure the rural areas of New Zealand will give it the bigs thumbs up, they enjoy subsidising their city dwelling cousins.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:09pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  The SuperGold subsidy covers 15% of the population and only applies between 9am and 3pm, and after 7pm. Annual cost to the Government is $30m.
  
  When you remember that Kapiti and Wairarapa train commuters will hit the $20 cap on one return journey it doesn’t add up.
  
  It’s not just you that smells the BS.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:23pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Apparently the Kapiti train is included and the Wairarapa train is excluded, go figure.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:13pm
- mw
  
  The way I look at it is that they are subsidising more, and right now the subsidies are at 87%. That 87% costs about 1.1bn across the three main centres. If they are going to half the average/week cost then they have to go from 87% subsidy to 93.5% subsidy. That is 6.5% more they need to subsidise.. So 65 million is close to that 6.5% more of the 1.1bn already subsidised. That doesn’t cover the rest of the country, which will have much smaller numbers.
  They may be closer to the mark than I first thought.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:23pm
- greybeard
  
  “The policy has been costed at approximately $65 million per year, which was less than 1% of the National Land Transport Fund. Labour planned to use that fund to pay for the policy.
  The party estimated it would save commuters, on average, $25 per week – which could total $1200 per year.”
  $65m / $1200 = 54,166
  So this plan will benefit only 54,166 commuters per year ? I think that Labour ought to get a new calculator for Barbara Edmonds.
  From Google:
  “On an average weekday, roughly 100,000 passenger trips take place on Metlink buses in the Wellington region. Across all public transport options combined—including the commuter trains and East by West harbour ferries—there are typically around 120,000 to 140,000 trips made every single day.”
  For this exercise let us take the mid-point of 130,000 trips per day.
  If all passengers make a return trip then every day there are 65,000 passengers, each making 2 trips. For an average working year of 47 weeks that is an annual total of 130,000 x 5 x 47 = 30,550,000 trips.
  Example 1:
  If the average fare per trip is $5 this gives total fares of $152,750,000 / year.
  Or $10 / workday per passenger, or $50 / workweek per passenger.
  So, if Labour is going to cap the weekly total at $20 per passenger that means each passenger will save $30 / working week, or $1410 / year.
  That equals $91,650,000 / year, as opposed to Labour’s $65,000,000 / year.
  And that is just for Wellington Region!
  Example 2:
  If the average fare per trip is $4 this gives total fares of $122,200,000 / year.
  Or $8 / workday per passenger, or $40 / workweek per passenger.
  Each passenger will save $20 / working week, or $940 / year.
  That equals $61,100,000 / year. As opposed to Labour’s $65,000,000 / year.
  And that is just for Wellington Region!
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:54pm
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  That is $65M more than is currently already given to subsidise public transport.
  
  Public transport is already subsidised by around 85% already.
  
  Unfortunately this will only increase waste in the sector.
  The number of buses in Christchurch could be halved without any significant impact to the number of passengers carried.
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:10pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yes noted the same in Christchurch myself, in between peak hours a lot of buses could be replaced by minivans.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:22pm
    - cmm (semi-retired edition)
      
      … or not run at all…
      
      It is common to see buses with 3 or less people on them, and they come every 15 minutes or so.
      
      This situation only exists because of massive subsidies.
      
      And, worse, the massive subsidies prevent the creation and operation of better free-market alternatives.
      
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      June 10, 2026 3:53pm
- Southern Raider
  
  On a Labour Party post a commentator asked if the bus and rail companies had been engaged about this.
  
  The party faithful jumped in with “why do they need to be involved as they will still be paid”
  
  No comprehension about capacity planning and lead times and investment cycles for new buses, training drivers etc.
  
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  June 10, 2026 3:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    Do you need to plan capacity for busses? We’ve upgraded from on call minivans, to on-call small electric busses that carry more passages. Strangely have yet to see more than 3 people in them
    
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    June 10, 2026 3:21pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    The bus and rail companies will love it.
    
    There is even less connection between the services they supply and the money they get.
    
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    June 10, 2026 3:54pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Would be simpler to just make it all free.
  
  However last time Labour tried that we had all the ferals using free public transport to move around Auckland to conduct crimes.
  
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  June 10, 2026 3:16pm
Flossie

I see Hipkins has announced a policy to cap public transport fares. That is bound to be a big winner here in the Coromandel.
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June 10, 2026 11:39am
- pdm
  
  I bet they are excited at Mahia too – not to mention Ruatoria.
  
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  June 10, 2026 11:52am
mw

So Labour roll out public transport costs capped at $20 per week and I am not sure what to think about it.
First thought as they are the party I don’t want is its a bribe. It could also be a good idea. I wonder how it performs under a full analysis, they say they know the costs, I don’t know what $ will be diverted but also could there be savings in other places if it manages to divert people to public transport.
Hmm, they probably have a number of policies I could argue against without hesitation but without more information this is probably not one of their worst and unfortunately probably popular.
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June 10, 2026 11:43am
- imalwaysright
  
  It might be $20 per day perhaps?
  
  Don’t forget, 116% of New Zealanders can’t ‘do maths’…
  
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  June 10, 2026 12:04pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    It’s per week.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360990643/labour-reveals-public-transport-fare-cap-long-awaited-election-policy
    
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    June 10, 2026 1:05pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Something doesn’t add up…
      
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      June 10, 2026 1:56pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    “It might be $20 per day perhaps?”
    
    No, Christchurch already has a cap of around $6 per day ($30/week) and AFAIK, that’s about the same in Wellington and AKL too.
    
    So as much as people are squealing, this is just a slight change on a policy that National fully endorses.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:13pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      So given those highlighted existing caps has Labour actually done any research in this policy at all, all it seems they are doing is reducing the current cap from $30pw to $20pw ?
      
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      June 10, 2026 2:28pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        Yup, that is all it is: $30 to $20.
        But it is all soundbite isn’t it.
        
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        June 10, 2026 3:56pm
      - Dougal10
        
        And they will fund half of $10 reduction and regional council rate payers will have to fund the other half. There is always a catch that Hipkins never mentions.
        
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        June 10, 2026 4:02pm
    - rouppe
      
      I’m not aware of a cap on wellington public transport
      
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      June 10, 2026 2:34pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        There is apparently a 30-day all-you-can-eat bus pass for Wellington – which is most definitely a cap.
        
        $187 for 30 days. As much as you want. That comes out to $6 a day.
        
        That’s on top of the fact that about 85% of the Wellington bus and train fare is subsidised anyway.
        
        https://www.metlink.org.nz/getting-started/tickets-and-fares
        
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        June 10, 2026 4:01pm
- MCōs
  
  Personally I don’t these sorts of handout policies.
  It’s too much of a scattergun sort of approach and our society is already full of them.
  Top many of them miss the mark, but we’re stuck with them.
  
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  June 10, 2026 1:54pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Mcos, we are reaping the fruits of the destruction of our previously world class education system.
    The monkeys have taken over.
    
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    June 10, 2026 1:59pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    The ultimate goal is that everyone pays 100% tax, gives all their income to the government and the government gives you what you need.
    
    Nanny knows best.
    
    Of course these hand out policies have broad appeal because most people are not net taxpayers.
    
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    June 10, 2026 2:16pm
    - MCōs
      
      The big three government expenditure items are
      *Education and 95% of kids go to a state school and about half go on to state subsidized tertiary education. We all know which income demographic they are likely to be
      *About 86% of hospital beds are in state hospitals
      Private hospitals tend to do elective surgery.
      GPs are subsidized by the government
      *Welfare is the other big expenditure and half of that is pensions, which is paid to most residents over 65.
      *Government revenue is 50% from PAYE and 25% from gst.
      I expect there are a certain number of people who pay less tax than the momentary value of that which the system have given to them.
      
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      June 10, 2026 3:51pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        “Government revenue is 50% from PAYE and 25% from gst”
        
        GST is only revenue from net taxpayers. GST off beneficiaries really just reduces the amount of benefit they are getting. It is not really income.
        
        (ie. If someone is paying $100 in GST but getting $1000 in hand outs then they’re hardly paying tax. They’re just getting $900 of hand outs).
        
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        June 10, 2026 4:05pm
- surfing
  
  Just wait for the 500 million dollar software redevelopment to allow for this.
  
  Labour will screw this up , somehow, like everything else they do.
  
  On surface, seems reasonable but who pays? We all pay at the end of the day.
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:27pm
- rouppe
  
  The thing is, public transport is already highly subsidized by ratepayers. If the current fuel price isn’t enough to get you onto a bus or train, I doubt capping fares will change anything.
  
  It’s a concerning start too. Cap bus fares. Cap rents? Cap…? What’s next?
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:41pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Reducing bus fares is the going to change whether you can use PT. It just widens the gap in cost paid to move around if you can use PT vs if you can’t.
    
    I’m one that can’t. It simply doesn’t go where I need to go. My other family members live in towns with no PT. My partner is a tradie – PT is useless. But I’m sure it’s great for public servants.
    
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    June 10, 2026 7:17pm
- rouppe
  
  Quick calculation.
  
  Snapper fare from island Bay to the cbd is $3.74. So you can do that trip 5.5 times before hitting the cap.
  
  Which means if you work from home 2 days a week, you save nothing.
  
  Student fares are $1.87 for the same trip. Which means you have to do 11 trips to save anything. I assume students would only do 10 a week but I guess with all the teacher only days maybe not
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:49pm
- RoboRob
  
  As usual the maths don’t work. They are saying
  
  1) Saves an average of $1200 per year
  and
  2) Total cost $65m
  
  65m / 1200 means subsidies for 54,000 people. With a population of 5+m it seems highly unlikely that the number of people using public transport wont rise to much more then that AND that those super efficient transport services wont put their prices up.
  
  Oh and yes this is funded by reducing spending on infrastructure. Worse roads etc
  
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  June 10, 2026 2:53pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    It works because they keep changing what they are talking about.
    
    Let’s look at the situation in Church.
    Currently there is a cap of $30. Labour would change that to $20. That would mean the new saving for a traveller through capping would be around $100/month (vs say the $60/month saving at the moment).
    
    That would cost an extra $10 per week for the government for the people who make it to the cap. I expect Labour are only counting that extra $10 to make their $65M number.
    
    So by being selective/creative/deceptive you can make the numbers dance and make it appear that you’re getting more benefits for less costs.
    
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    June 10, 2026 4:13pm
Damocles11

“For seven years berth extensions have been held up at the Port of Tauranga. It is simply not good enough.
A local hapu requesting $475 million in direct compensation is completely unreasonable. Those costs would ultimately be passed on to Kiwi households.
This is the biggest, most important port in New Zealand by a long shot. It is how we get our delicious kiwifruit, dairy products, sheep and beef meat, and everything else out there to the world so we can pay for the schools, hospitals and infrastructure here in New Zealand.
The port is at capacity. We can’t bring in the big, new, global ships. It’s full. We need the berth extensions to enable our exports, create economic growth and to improve the lives of all New Zealanders.”

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1B9Crf8Qxp/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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M.Solvent

Since public transport is already heavily subsidised by ratepayers, how is Labour going to prevent local government from reducing subsidies, increasing the price so that the central government subsidy picks up a greater share of funding?
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- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  Easy. They only provide the subsidies if the local government comes on board.
  
  Remember that everyone wants this (other than the net tax payer): the transport companies want the extra subsidies as do central and local government.
  
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  June 10, 2026 4:15pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360990728/minister-defends-17k-airport-parking-spend-says-she-prefers-self-drive

Who parks their car in airport short stay carparks for long periods? That is, if you are paying the bill yourself!!

Short stay is usually if you are picking or dropping someone off right?

I guess if the taxpayer is paying, who cares?
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June 10, 2026 2:24pm
- kowtow
  
  I love when the fearless , so called 4 th estate hold power to account.
  
  Now $1uffed could do the big maori “charity” in Auckland , climate ‘franchises’ , oh and how about a little accounting for the billions their mates in Labour blew on the sniffles ……..
  
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  June 10, 2026 3:36pm
- Dougal10
  
  The article probably should be about D O’Conner spending more on travel than a minister.
  
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  June 10, 2026 4:11pm
- RoboRob
  
  Her argument is that the parking fees for her own car work out as less then the crown limo / taxis. Possibly true if she is doing lots of trips that are a few days each. So she is actually saving the tax payer money.
  
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  June 10, 2026 4:14pm
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  Let’s rather focus on the big ticket items and not lose our shit over $17k a year.
  
  Assuming she travels 200 times a year, that’s $85 a trip. Tiny compared with all the big costs.
  
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  June 10, 2026 4:19pm
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Five men charged after assault at West Auckland Mosque. The religion of peace in action locally: –

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/five-men-charged-after-man-injured-in-west-auckland-masjid-as-salam/WM2NGTOUMREYXEUKTYVY357VN4/

[Mod – link fixed. Please don’t shorten Herald links, it kills the link]
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- NZer In Exile
  
  Crap on the end is so they (creeper internet robber barron orgs) know who posted the link. All so you can be targeted by shitty ads and/or later censored/doxxed/cancelled/imprisoned for wrong-think.
  
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  June 10, 2026 3:48pm
Swifty

Have Labour booked a stand at Fieldays and not bothered to show up?

https://x.com/jordnz/status/2064556189317492942?s=46
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June 10, 2026 4:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  They ain’t paying for it, eh.
  
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  June 10, 2026 6:33pm
Swifty

Pimp my charity!

https://www.facebook.com/share/18k2e4yW9G
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June 10, 2026 4:24pm
Ghost

The Government’s upcoming changes to Warrants of Fitness (WOF) requirements will result in an increase in fatal crashes ‒ but would still be worth it, according to official advice.

Article

Well that’s great, more people will die, but hey, their deaths are worth the savings.

But the officials said the efficiency benefits of allowing people to go longer without a WOF easily outweighed the potential increase in crashes, with a net benefit monetised at $2.6 billion to $4.1b over the next 30 years.
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June 10, 2026 5:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Lives are valued in dollars. Actuaries do it for a living.
  
  You may complain about the value assigned, but not about the principle.
  
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  June 10, 2026 6:36pm
Ghost

another day in the cease-fire….

The US launched strikes against Iran after the country shot down an American army helicopter near the Strait of Hormuz, but Trump insisted a peace deal would be reached soon

Live updates
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June 10, 2026 5:27pm
- Drone
  
  Iran did not claim to have shot down the chopper, in fact they claimed they were not carrying out any attacks at the time. The chopper did as many choppers do just fell from the sky due to possibly an act of god. The American response was as usual disproportionate, despite DJT saying the peace treaty was only two or three days away from being signed (for about the Nth time in the last two months).
  
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  June 10, 2026 6:38pm
Ghost

Lawmakers and UAP whistleblowers gather at the Capitol to renew calls for greater government transparency.

YouTube

A lot of support for trump, and calls for him to help more
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June 10, 2026 5:41pm
Swifty

What to make of this?

Armed insurrection imminent or Maori blowhards pulling their puds?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18naoCYdKw
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- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not sure that the Police gun inspector would be too happy with all those guns & ammo sitting on the couch.
  
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