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NeverMindTheBollocks

How about those ‘Canes!
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June 21, 2026 8:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, very good.
  But how many of them will make the All Blacks?
  Coach Rennie is a Chief.
  Suspect the All Blacks will be full of Chiefs and Blues -as planned.
  
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  June 21, 2026 8:42am
Damocles11

‘Iran has said it is closing the strait of Hormuz after waves of Israeli strikes in Lebanon in a move that threatens to derail the fragile interim peace deal with the US, signed just days ago.
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps warned ships not to approach the strategic waterway, which before the war carried a fifth of global oil and liquid gas supplies, citing what it called Israeli crimes in Lebanon and a US violation of commitments to establish a ceasefire there.’
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June 21, 2026 8:04am
- David George
  
  How the hell is it OK for Hezbollah to continue operating in Lebanon against the wishes of the Lebanese government and as a clear and continuing threat to Israel? Never capitulate to Islam.
  
  Dan Burmawi: “if you are not informed, if you do not understand geopolitics, the history of Islam, the actual nature of the Arab–Israeli conflict, then when the assault comes you will not have what it takes to hold your ground. You will feel weak. And eventually you will break.”
  
  “Israel is an example. It is the shadow of the West’s own future. It is fighting a war the West will eventually have to fight. It is being condemned for standing firm, for refusing to capitulate to the forces of darkness, condemned by the very people who will one day have to stand exactly as Israel stands now, or vanish like every nation before them that vanished under Islam.”
  
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  June 21, 2026 9:05am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Prior to the war oil was around US$70. Now its around US$80 so around 14% higher. When fuel prices increased sharply the oil companies told us that was because the price at the pumps was based on their replacement costs. Fair enough. I was paying around $2.35 a litre. Now Im paying around $3.10 an increase of 32%. Not 14%. And now the oil companies have changed their tune and are saying oh well there is other factors that determine the pump price. Go figure.
  
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  June 21, 2026 9:06am
Scott

There are lots of important things going on in the world but I think it’s worthwhile to take a moment to salute the mighty Hurricanes who comprehensively beat a very good Chiefs side in the Super rugby final last night!

I’ve watched rugby for 50 years and I would have to say this was one of the the most brilliant displays of attacking rugby I’ve ever seen.

A big shout out to the Hurricanes coach, Clark Laidlaw, who had the boys humming and they peaked for the final. Someone tell the Wellington mayor. He can hand that man the keys to the city!
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June 21, 2026 8:05am
Yvette

■ Hauraki-Waikato MP Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke has confirmed she is committed to continuing under Te Pāti Māori in the upcoming election, putting rumours and speculation of another split to bed.
She told Te Karere’s Scotty Morrison that the biggest challenge she’s faced over the past three years hasn’t been legislation or facing off with the “most racist government” – but tribalism politics.

Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke decries “tribalism”
She said listening to what’s being said at the ground level, she didn’t know what people were more scared of: The Government returning or division among Māori.

They are scared of tribalism and division?
• So am I

■ Two for one …
In the Hauraki-Waikato electorate, Maipi-Clarke faces a formidable opponent in Labour’s Kingi Kiriona, a popular and well-respected leader in education, broadcasting, te reo Māori, and kapa haka.
… “I think Kingi would be a great advocate for our people and I’m willing to work alongside, under the guidance of Te Arikinui kia whakakotahi ai a Hauraki-Waikato. [meaning “For Te Arikinui (the Māori Monarch) to unify Hauraki and Waikato”] which is why Maipi-Clarke says “We can get two people in there”– strategy for Hauraki-Waikato

She adds: “We have the youngest electorate in the country and we also have a diverse way where we can get two people in but at the same time. Kei roto i ō mātou ringaringa (It’s in our hands), we can literally decide who the government is, not only just get seven Māori seats in.”

“I think what’s devastating is that ko ngā kupu ōhākī, ko ngā tongikura a Kingi Tuheitia i tōna Koroneihana whakamutunga, ana, ko te whakakotahi i te iwi Māori (King Tūheitia’s last words, his proverb spoken at his final coronation celebration, that is, for Māori to unite)… we’ve seen it deteriorate, we’ve seen it divide for various reasons – and for valid reasons

So Maipi-Clarke hopes people will vote for her, by saying she wants to work with the Labour candidate for her Electorate! – meaning ‘vote for me, and I will work with the candidate you didn’t vote, unless you think this bat-shit mad idea works’.
And that to help reunite the Maori Nation as urged in unity speeches by the Late Maori King –
• Unity to oppose what?
Unity in opposition to the Government, or democratic process, which saw the demise of the Treaty Principles Bill?
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https://www.1news.co.nz/2026/06/19/hana-rawhiti-maipi-clarke-confirms-party-decries-tribalism/
The “two for one” proposal – isn’t there something legally wrong with that: against Electoral Commission rules and law, or Parliament’s Standing orders or Cabinet Manual?
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June 21, 2026 8:11am
artemisia

A tick for RNZ journalist Lillian Hanly for decent coverage of National Party member thoughts and opinions at the AGM this weekend.

National members ‘nervously optimistic’ about election campaign

Interesting to see different views in the one article, albeit supportive of the Party, of course.

And a starring role for Mr Farrar, including in the headline.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politics/609082/national-members-nervously-optimistic-about-election-campaign
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June 21, 2026 8:22am
- Gravelroad
  
  From the article:
  “one member told RNZ she could not understand “how people can have either forgiven or forgotten the damage that Labour did.”
  Left wing voters don’t care about that.
  They are looking forward to what the next Labour government is going to do for them by way of free stuff and support for woke activism of and for various kinds.
  The National Party might do better to stop drawing attention to what many see as the generosity and wonderfulness of past Labour governments and focus on running a country fit for purpose for all citizens.
  
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  June 21, 2026 8:55am

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