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Yvette

ACTs simple re-statement of rights
Luxon said there was nothing he liked about ACTs Treaty Principles Bill and that it was too simple.
And had binned it even before getting elected in 2023.

Now has any “journalist” asked Luxon what he thinks of ACTs simple re-statement that the Government governs, private property is protected, all New Zealanders have equal rights and responsibilities, and the state and all it services are secular, not treating any spirituality above any other, leaving those adhering to particular religious beliefs to practice them freely within the law.

It is required that these four freedoms and responsibilities be reaffirmed because of the uncertainty, and division which all parties have contributed to, and given, as has been said several times now, that of three consecutive Prime Minsters, there is ‘one for’, ‘one against’, and ‘one don’t know’ whether Maori ceded sovereignty to the Crown or not. Also given other blurring of definition coming with –

Te Pāti Māori released a proposed programme that goes far beyond vague references to “partnership” or “co-governance”. Its Te Tiriti Entrenchment policy includes a $220 million Mātike Mai Fund over 4 years to resource Māori-led constitutional transformation, an independent Te Tiriti Commission capable of investigating Crown breaches and issuing compliance orders, and making Waitangi Tribunal recommendations binding on the Crown.

Then there is also the Waitangi Tribunal’s determination the Maori did not cede sovereignty, the Greens policy relating to Maori and democracy (or lack thereof) and Opportunity being opportunistic.

If a referendom on MMP costs about $27 million, that expense is halved if you add ACT’s “universal democratic rights” question to it. And a third by adding a “MMP continuation” question.
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September 17, 2026 8:01am
- KKNZ2025
  
  …& quartered if you add abolishing the racist Maori seats
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:04am
- pb
  
  Yet he is in lock step with Labour in removing our freedoms with the new Big Brother social media crackdown, being carried out by all Globalists in unison. In thrall to BIG Media and friends of Mendelson.
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:11am
- Damocles11
  
  National’s entrenchment and defence of the status quo has consolidated the gains of the socialist / racial separatist alliance, and so this alliance continues on its merry way towards even more extreme racial separatism and maorification. There is no counter-balancing force. National lilts left by maintaining the co-governance / maorification status quo, and ACT is portrayed as a right wing outlier simply by trying to push back against the co-governance forces and the race grifters who are milking this country for billions of dollars.
  This is all the result of National betting the farm on a house price recovery fuelled by lower interest rates. It hasn’t materialised, which leaves them bereft of any wins. The 11th hour copying of the NZ First policy on breaking up the supermarket duopoly looks desperate and deeply cynical. They had 3 years to do something but chose to do nothing. Likewise they had 3 years to partially privatise KiwiBank so it had more capital, but chose to do nothing. Willis is still just talking about it. The buck stops with CEO Luxon. It’s his inept handling of all these issues that has seen Nationals support ebb away.
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:21am
BarryB

Driving license rules in NZ have changed to remove cognitive test from check for 70s and over.
But in Australia if you have, for example Autism – you are required to advise the appropriate licensing body of this – at any age!
If you are keen you can check it out in the 251 page manual:
https://austroads.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0037/498691/AP-G56-22_Assessing_Fitness_Drive.pdf
I assume it includes that all forms of mental abnormality require notification. As we know almost all humans are on some sort of ‘spectrum’ (the only 2 people in the world who are not are Me and the greatest EV salesman of all time – D.J.Trump…..although I’m starting to have doubts about him)

So what you may ask? Well we recently got a notice from our local Medical Practice that they can now diagnose adult ADHD – who knew some adults had ADHD – I just thought they were a bit stupid, or members of the Green party…..
World wide there has been an incredible growth in people suddenly requiring to have, or to be diagnosed with, some disability. It gives them an individual identity apparently. We have lots of identities already – skin colour, gender (facebook had 70+ genders at one stage), physical disabilities, religion etc, etc. But that still leaves a lot of people feeling lost in the crowd even though the helpfulprofessor.com website list 65 identities and 82 genders.
This summer we are apparently going to see some weird fashion accessories in the form of funny footwear – it provides another identity. They will be expensive.
But one of the greatest growths of this lack of an identity is among women 25-40 and that’s adult ADHD. Its as though it’s a virus in uncontrolled spread.
This gives rise to three thoughts:
1.I just hope that if they live in Australia they know the rules about driving with a mental disability……and
2. No doubt there is some bureaucrat who has been made jobless due to the change of rules re cognitive test and who is looking for some way to annoy people in general and might try to adopt the Australian rules – but then they would have to be able to read the manual – no easy task.
3. They should never have closed Porirua mental facility and others like it.
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September 17, 2026 8:03am
Scott

Very good analysis from Duncan Garner about the trends heading towards the election:

https://youtu.be/xxyO3ypFjT4?si=xmmUKg0-Saf2ZRfe

What we see according to the rolling averages of polls is that National has lost support. In 2023 they won 38% of the vote, now in 2026 they’re polling at 29%.

But it’s not gone to Labour. Labour in 2023 won 26.9% of the vote, now they’re polling at 27.5%. Pretty much the same.

On the centre right we see that Act has gone from 8.6% in 2023 to polling at 9.4% now. And with a strong campaign featuring Paul Henry who has been well received around the country and David Seymour being disciplined and on message.

But the big winner is NZ First who in 2023 won 6.1% of the vote and now are polling at 10.2%. Yes kiwibloggers, Winston’s vote is going to be crucial in any centre right govt.

Now I just think it’s time for any centre right person to come to terms with the situation. If you don’t want another left wing govt then NZ First is crucial. Act is also going to be important. It’s going to be a coalition with a weaker National and much stronger coalition partners. That’s just the reality of MMP.

As for me I like Winston and I’m over 2017.
There is no scenario in which the right forms a govt without Winston. You may not like it but those are the facts. 😎
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September 17, 2026 8:10am
David Garrett

A pleasant morning at Rancho Garrett…colder than the Kingdom but quite bearable
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September 17, 2026 8:11am
kowtow

From the “Why your rates are so high” file.

‘City council parks staff have been working with the council’s Te Tiriti team and Lynne Te Aika from Ngāi Tūāhuriri to correct the spelling mistakes at about 30 parks as part of a rolling programme of signage renewal.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/canterbury/christchurch/misspelt-signs-being-corrected-at-parks-across-the-city-t2c0p56s

Christchurch , but this type of treaty tokenism will be happening across the country.
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September 17, 2026 8:12am
Yvette

Overhung Maori Party
Explainer: What is an overhang and how could it change NZ’s election result?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politics/1409899/explainer-what-is-an-overhang-and-how-could-it-change-nz-s-election-result

A problem of MMP and overhang seats seems illustrated by the Maori Party recommending ‘tactical voting’ to their followers – to get say 4 Electorate Seats but by their Party Vote be entitled to only 2, would result in an overhang of two. Overhang seats are an accommodation of unusual circumstances, but to consciously engineer the unwelcome circumstances is deceit. (they propose it because it gives unearned advantage)

So why should Electoral law not be amended to actual proportional representation, as it is officially called?

If the Maori Party has 4 Electorate Members and is party-vote-entitled to only two, give each of those 4 a half vote. Four half votes of course amount to the two seats their party vote entitles them to in this example. But allows the four Electorate Members to serve their electorate as voted in to do.
That could apply across all parties to achieve precise proportional representation. Conscience votes, which are reasonably rare, would still be 1:1.
In fact most of the time just use the Party Vote percentages. Do away with List MPs.

And if you don’t understand this get a 10 year old kid to explain it. If the kid doesn’t understand it, then blame my command of English – I might improve in English Week.
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Government doesn’t know how much MMP referendum may cost, won’t rule Māori seats question.

If the first fact means they may promise the second, then GOOD
A WIN / WIN situation
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September 17, 2026 8:15am
- Damocles11
  
  I have warned for many years that the maori seats will at some stage cause a perversion of democracy whereby the centre-right will lose an election despite having the majority of votes – because of these racist race-based electorates. It is now very close to coming to pass. National had the chance to scrap these racial seats but, as usual, chose to preserve the status quo. They will rue the day they made this awful decision.
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:27am
- Cassandra
  
  Better to separate the two categories. 60 electorates (or whatever, more has appeal) and 60 list (or less). Best of both worlds and reasonably proportional.
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:29am
  - Yvette
    
    Cassandra, why not just vote for electorates and apply the party vote to those?
    
    Say Labour wins 30 electorate seats and a party vote of 40 percent
    And National 40 seats and party vote also of 40 percent
    
    Each Labour MP would have a vote of 1.3 [40 ÷ 30]
    National MP = 1 [40 ÷ 40]
    
    For party votes in Parliament each member retains the percentage that voters gave the party, and usually vote in set blocks anyway.
    For conscience votes they are each 1
    
    It might seem complicated, but just needs understanding, and where the mind-load is too much for MPs employ a 10 year of kid with a Warehouse calculator.
    
    Oh, well – back to the coffee and other morning medications :o)
    
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    September 17, 2026 8:56am
Simon

Interest rates are heading up, globalism dying in the Strait of Hormuz. Neolib trash National & Labour are lost. Just watch these clowns flail about.
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September 17, 2026 8:16am
imalwaysright

A stange item on TV1 news last night.
Some immigrants were protesting against the immigration rules when a bystander apparently told them to go back to their own country.

Then a scuffle broke out and was blurred by TV1, but you could see 3 or 4 people surrounding and throwing punches and kicks at an individual and the individual doing the same.

The presenter didn’t elaborate on who was who, even though the reporter was a few metres away, but instead said Police decided not to take any action.

Did these immigrants take to a New Zealander exercising free speech?
And did the Police allow it?
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September 17, 2026 8:19am
kevn

The bros having a bit of fun/competition…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2026-labour-candidate-says-hell-only-return-to-new-zealand-if-elected-to-parliament/PS6TTONXJRCTDEMZRYDTWUNDT4/
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September 17, 2026 8:24am
- pdm
  
  Just when one thought Labour could not be any more stupid – they exceed all expectations.
  
  As Kevn’s post shows.
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:27am
MCōs

Tom Phillips, an alleged dictatorial alcoholic, was approved to homeschool his children
Well they got that wrong
From a briefing to Stanford last November entitled Education Review Office: Homeschooling
“ERO is concerned that most homeschooling arrangements are not monitored or reviewed,”
“The quality of the education most homeschooled children receive is going unchecked.”

His appalling behaviour is a smack in the eye for homeschoolers who are doing a fine job, often out of necessity
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September 17, 2026 8:27am
- MCōs
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/homeschool-saga-ero-warned-education-minister-erica-stanford-months-before-tom-phillips-revelation/premium/HRTKJXTZSRC2RL4NG3SA2DOJOA/
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:28am
- David Garrett
  
  MCos: I’m curious…how are some home schoolers doing it out of necessity? I presume the correspondence school still exists?
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:30am
  - MCōs
    
    I should imagine way out in the South Island backcountry school kids that are homeschooled use material from the correspondence school
    There must be some degree of in person adult input
    In fact quite a high degree, I’d say
    
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    September 17, 2026 8:58am
Positan

Can I ask what happened to General Debate 16 September 2026.

I’ve never before seen any of the debates removed before, so why was this one pulled?
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September 17, 2026 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  It’s still there, but slightly difficult to find.
  Go to an adjacent thread and scroll passed the comments
  
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  September 17, 2026 8:41am

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