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Yvette

Waitangi Tribunal
Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith has stated that the New Zealand Government rejects Treaty of Waitangi settlements containing an “agree-to-disagree” sovereignty clause, because under the 1840 Treaty Maori ceded sovereignty to the Crown.

The Waitangi Tribunal has previously concluded in historical inquiries (such as the Te Paparahi o Te Raki inquiry) that Māori chiefs did not cede sovereignty when signing te Tiriti o Waitangi
Minister Paul Goldsmith labeled the wording “constitutional adventurism” and refused to progress settlements that dispute the Crown’s current authority and sovereign status.

So, has the Tribunal now “painted itself into a corner” in that it must, in its own consistency and honesty, agree with tribal sovereignty clause claims, but also knows full well that the Crown will not accept them.

• Would a Left Coalition agree with “agree-to-disagree” sovereignty clauses?

• Those wanting to dis-establish the Tribunal need a cut-off date, when possible settlements, that become “hung” by sovereignty clauses, are dismissed.
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September 29, 2026 8:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This goes to my comment yesterday. New Zealand cannot be a stable democracy if we cannot even decide whether parliament is sovereign. It must be resolved.
  
  Certainly in the far north of New Zealand, Maori sovereignty or independence, declared in 1835, is presented widely. Certainly within local government and by iwi.
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/declaration-of-independence-taming-the-frontier
  
  Well that’s interesting but what does it mean for modern New Zealand?
  
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  September 29, 2026 8:20am
mike

Random election question:
Does the National Party campaign team really think Christopher Luxon’s picture on billboards will win votes?
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September 29, 2026 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t care.
  
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  September 29, 2026 8:21am
- Yvette
  
  Will Christopher Luxon’s picture on billboards win votes?
  Not unless he changes his shirts from the almost straight across, full cutaway collar line, to classic.
  The first, or wide spread, is not feng shui for people of Christopher Luzon’s overall dimensions and shape.
  
  The collar height needs to be proportionate to your face, while the spread mitigates the overall shape, and stops it looking too extreme. In other words it doesn’t help to look like a stuffed shirt.
  
  Refer to
  https://www.permanentstyle.com/2020/08/the-guide-to-shirt-collars-and-what-suits-you.html
  
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  September 29, 2026 8:29am
David George

The British police have now “released on bail” the five suspected terrorists of RAF Fairford.
No explanation given only that they were “British nationals” and that investigations were continuing.
In this interview with the farmer that first reported them she says there were nine or ten of them and that the police hadn’t even spoken to her yet.*
It’s all so bizarre; what’s going on?
*https://x.com/PeteBritish/status/2104591253140594867/video/1
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September 29, 2026 8:24am
- Gary Benner
  
  I’m sure the Americans will be watching this closely, given they use this base.
  
  Or was this the local dogging campsite busted instead?
  
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  September 29, 2026 8:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Barbara Edmonds or Chloe Swarbrick for Minister of Finance?

https://newsroom.co.nz/2026/09/18/chloe-swarbrick-why-wouldnt-i-want-to-be-finance-minister/

https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/barbara-edmonds-sacrifice-and-success/
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September 29, 2026 8:41am

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