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Cassandra

Who won the debate? The media all have Hipkins in front, sometimes only marginally, but still in front. Was I watching a different channel or do you see what you want to see?

I thought Hipkins looked unwell and was on the back foot most of the night. Luxon was on top of his brief, confident and prime ministerial.

Even Audrey Young had Hipkins way in front. Perhaps we’ll get Party Vote ACT after all?
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October 7, 2026 8:00am
- Southern Raider
  
  What got me was the “100 undecided voters” in the studio.
  
  I just looked at them and went there is no way they are actually undecided and they all looked to swing Labour. Also the 20 always in camera shot behind Jack Tame were all women.
  
  Then they miraculously find two “undecided” voters who previously have been staunch “national and ACT” and apparently Hipkins swayed them into voting Labour based on that debate?
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:38am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    I well remember the undecided voters when Jim Bolger was in an election year debate with the “worm”. We were polling. The thing about the undecideds was that they were undecided about whether to vote Labour or Alliance. They were certain they weren’t voting National! Every timne Bolger spoke, the “worm”: went down and he was declared the loser. It’s a total set up.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:56am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Ah, that’s right, Alliance – I remember them…
      
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      October 7, 2026 9:58am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Met 2 young fellas at a “meet the candidates” thing, from the newly formed alliance party (700 members)..nice fellas, not much else…just nice.
        
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        October 7, 2026 12:20pm
  - Boy Geoff
    
    Heh, a little bit like those Facebook campaigns during COVID – “I’ve always been a National voter, but Jacinda’s just doing such an amazing job…”
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:01am
    - I remember when
      
      A job where it wasn’t possible to offer an alternative strategy.
      
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      October 7, 2026 11:33am
    - R
      
      Comments from the Duty Troll in the basement of Fraser House.
      
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      October 7, 2026 12:58pm
  - pdm
    
    SR I said much the same to mrspdm after the first progress vote came up.
    
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    October 7, 2026 12:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are you suggesting that in New Zealand it is woman’s vote who elect a Government ?
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:29pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Luxon’s problem is that his record of achievements in office is such that he is being forced to explain.
  
  Hipkins gets virtually a free run as a glorified heckler.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:55am
  - Isobar
    
    To be fair that is one of the benefits of being in opposition i guess.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:49am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      It is one of the benefits of being in opposition when people like Luxon and Willis are running the country.
      
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      October 7, 2026 10:41am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So the great financial wizard, Barbara Edmonds,
        That can’t actual get here numbers on the correct side of the ledger.
        Debits become credits and vise versa.
        So borrowing must be income.
        As per Grant Robertson, who borrowed billions, gave out contracts to companies and then bragged about the increased tax take.
        
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        October 7, 2026 12:24pm
      - R
        
        Sitting in opposition wondering how such people could unravel and begin repairing the damage we (Labour) left behind
        
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        October 7, 2026 1:01pm
- Simon
  
  People should take some time away from this election garbage. It’s still 4 weeks + away.
  
  MSM driven drivel. Given the extent of violent crime across the country the election is a break from NZs cultural crime problems. But there must be some sports on or something.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:57am
  - Paulus
    
    You mean that this election is like all the others a form of media Sport.
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:32pm
- Philview
  
  The media euphoria that will come with the Left block winning the election will be hard to stomach.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:03am
- Positan
  
  In essence, Hipkins is a “university-educated” incompetent, in that he’s never attempted to exercise whatever intellectual qualifications he gained as they relate to real life.
  
  It’s the application of how one learned “how to think” as all of it relates to real-world practical circumstances that develops instinctive judgment – and, as Hipkins has demonstrated so many times, there’s a constant, vacuous quality to his utterances and observations.
  
  It’s especially emphasised in Hipkins’ attitude towards childhood education and to charter schools. Irrespective of the positive results achieved by Stansford’s directions – in literal pursuit of brainlessness, Hipkins would see them demolished.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:04am
  - R
    
    Does Hipkins have an academic qualification, or any experience, that would make him employable outside the publicly taxpayer funded trough.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:46am
    - peterwn
      
      He was reportedly going to jump ship after the last election, but it seems he had nowhere to jump.
      
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      October 7, 2026 1:00pm
      - R
        
        Probably can’t seem, particularly in the real world, looked exhausted and confused during the debate.
        
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        October 7, 2026 1:04pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Was part of the team running against him in 2008.
      From his profile.
      “• Education: Graduated from Victoria University of Wellington with a bachelor’s degree in politics and criminology.
      • Student Politics: Served twice as president of the Victoria University of Wellington Students’ Association (VUWSA) in 2000 and 2001.
      • Early Career: Worked as a policy advisor for Labour education ministers, worked in the office of Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark, and spent time working in the oil and gas industry.
      • Political Affiliation: Joined the New Zealand Labour Party in 1996, influenced by politician Trevor Mallard.
      To add to this
      He was 30 when he ran, about 6 years after he left University.
      He had been on an OE for about 4 years (I believe)
      and spend I think 2 years in Helen Clarks office.
      He, at the time claimed to have 9 jobs in the time since university, one in the oil and gas industry.
      Summary, a political hack
      He made a big deal about working in the oil and gas industry at the time.
      As I said at the time, doing what???
      Pumping petrol??
      With 9 jobs including 2 years in Clark’s office, what experience could he possibly have had in anything else???
      
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      October 7, 2026 4:05pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        He was a training manager at Todd Energy. Training what is the big question.
        Certainly not how to drill.
        Probably how to fit in with the company ethos.
        
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        October 7, 2026 4:31pm
  - Paulus
    
    Mummy would anyway !
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:33pm
- Isobar
  
  Tbh the debate went as it usually does.
  
  Both side’s fans proclaim their side won and blames the media for not reporting that accurately.
  
  I doubt it would have moved the dial for voters on either side… and tbh might have even turned more off from the two parties!
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Tonight is the TV3 debate, with a much better moderator (Ryan Bridge), lets see how they go, with one under their belt.
    
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    October 7, 2026 4:08pm
KKNZ2025

Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll: In September National-led Government increases lead over Labour-led Parliamentary Opposition (52% vs. 41.5%)

“This is the largest lead (10.5%) for the National-led Government for two years since September 2024.”

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/10351-nz-national-voting-intention-september-2026
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October 7, 2026 8:01am
- MCōs
  
  Proceeding the last election Roy Morgan was the most inaccurate of the polling companies
  1 News–Verian took the chocolate fish
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_New_Zealand_general_election
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:46am
- Bullion
  
  They are the only major public polling company that has that big a split between National and Lab – consistently in Nats favour.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2026_New_Zealand_general_election
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:57am
Tomtoddy

The Leaders TV Debate – some random thoughts.

1. TV is primarily an entertainment medium. The basic idea of the debate, format, style and delivery is much more about creating a “show” or “performance” that will attract an audience who will pay their ‘license’ (through taxes) and that will satisfy advertisers than it is educational or instructional.

2. As such it focuses on the individual leaders “performance” rather than the content of their statements as it applies to the governing of the country. There is no evidence that a winning “performer” will necessarily provide sound government.

3. Gotcha or “yes”, “no” questions give substance to point one above and belittle the importance and seriousness of the subject matter. It is a demeaning stunt.

4. The “attacker” versus “defender” (who has to try and vindicate the last three years) will almost always favour the attacker such is the psychological balance. Attackers roam free. Defenders are confined.

5. Similarly, attackers can make extravagant promises and offers with fewer constraints because the defender is caught in the “why aren’t you already doing it” syndrome.

6. Someone called the “director” controls camera shots and therefore can determine which person, which expressions, which reactions get seen. It’s a narrow viewing not a whole room view.

“Independent experts” commentating is a joke. Again, simply a weird form of entertainment. The so-called debate winner is simply a person, more telegenic, who manages a better theatrical performance.

I am not a National supporter but I felt Luxon had more useful content about running the country wisely.
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October 7, 2026 8:01am
- Dougal10
  
  Because of all the above why would you even think about watching .
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    We are political tragics , that’s why.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:13am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Can’t argue there.
      
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      October 7, 2026 4:09pm
  - R
    
    Boredom perhaps. No sports programmes to watch, Mrs wont allow the naughty channel?
    
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    October 7, 2026 1:06pm
  - AitchW
    
    I didn’t watch for all the above reasons.
    
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    October 7, 2026 1:46pm
- Homeworker
  
  After Luxon being PM for 3 years and Hipkins being the public eye for over 9 years what is the point of the debates? If we haven’t worked out what these 2 stand for by now a superficial debate is not going to help. I have made my decision who to vote for, electorate National and party ACT, so the political debate is now just noise to me.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Likewise. Have done for the past 6 elections
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:36am
  - Paulus
    
    What will you achieve by Party Voting ACT with National Led Coalition ?
    How much do you think Act will get what they want ?
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:35pm
- Scott
  
  I found it impossible to watch. I tried and then Jack Tame harangued the prime minister about when would prices come down? Like the PM should name a date when prices would come down. As opposed to the direction of travel and policies that would lead to lower inflation. Tame appears to believe he is the important person and haranguing the prime Minister of NZ is just all OK?
  
  I took a break. Turned back to the debate and Tame was again haranguing the PM about renewable energy and when would we get 100% renewable and informing the PM that renewables are much cheaper than fossil fuels.
  
  So two things stand out for me. The insufferable attitude of the interviewers.
  And the narrow limits of debate among the liberal elite media. Renewables in my opinion will never replace fossil fuels. They are an unreliable power source and Spain is an example of a country where more renewables has made the power grid unreliable. There is not even a village anywhere in the world that is 100% renewables.
  
  What about debates where the interviewer just asks questions and let’s them answer? Maybe we’ll learn something?
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:38am
  - R
    
    These so called ‘debates’ are an opportunity for TV to increase its viewer rating, promote its desired political party and fill a weekday space when no one is interested in TV.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:50am
  - leoj
    
    You weren’t aware that Tame had puppy dog eyes for James Shaw?
    
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    October 7, 2026 12:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    He never let Luxon answer without interruption more than once on anything.
    The other twit only ever answered agreed questions with a yes or no.
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:37pm
- Paulus
  
  Gosh, why did I not bothere to watch this TVNZ Fiasco ?
  I had better things to do.
  My wife said that at least Shortland Street had some sex.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:58am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Hipkins would make Dr Ropata Health Minister…
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:27am
  - MCōs
    
    Interestingly enough I watched Shortland St once a couple of weeks ago and thought it was appalling
    I watched the debate last night out of a sort of civic responsibility
    I can understand your resentment at being reminded that plenty of countries don’t have elections let alone political debates
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:01am
- Simon
  
  “Luxon had more useful content”. Up against Hipkins right?
  
  That’s like the choice between drinking 1 week expired milk vs eating salmonella chicken.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:01am
- R
  
  The ‘YES-NO’ style of question answers is a demonstration of a lazy mind, that doesn’t actually understand the subject breadth of the question. This sentence also applies to the composer of the questions. No breadth of subject knowledge.
  As for the undecided audience, I read this morning that it was basically an in-house gathering of staff and compliant journalists.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep the format and presentation was very “unserious” .Childish even.
    
    Embarassing that that’s the best state tv can do .
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The problem with open ended questions is that politicians are media-trained to waffle. Many political issues are nuanced and deserve a thoughtful answer that may include a level of future uncertainty.
    
    But, that’s not what happens in our political environment. Instead, we get the snappy.
    
    Having said that, yes/no questions have their place, and one benefit is that you either get an answer or there’s no answer, which is an answer in itself.
    
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    October 7, 2026 12:40pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Predictably, Wellington City Council are crying crocodile tears. Blaming the forthcoming rates cap, they’re saying that they’ll have to cut the subsidy to Te Papa, restrict the opening hours on galleries and libraries et al.

Not going ahead with the immensely unpopular and expensive buses switch to the Quays route seems to be off the cost saving agenda.

Or, as one wag remarked, simply dispensing with the services of a few of the Council execs paid more than the Mayor does not seem to have been considered.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/regions_wellington/1756754/nasty-decisions-for-wellington-councillors-looking-to-find-60m-in-savings
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October 7, 2026 8:01am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks I thought Te Papa was New Zealands National Museum so the Government would fund it.
  
  Is it a joint funding venture with Govt and the Council?
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:06am
  - MCōs
    
    Te Papa receives $1.8 million annually from Wellington City Council
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington/library-closures-pool-charges-and-te-papa-funding-cuts-proposed-as-wellington-city-council-prepares-for-rates-capping/IZDMTVNN2ZCRRMVBYFHJ2UV4QM/
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:38am
- KKNZ2025
  
  The historical go to tactic of overpaid overstaffed jobsworth bureaucrats is virtue signaling their opposition to anything that questions their empire building excesses funded by other people’s money.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:19am
- Libertarians are right
  
  When Councilors do this they should be forced to resign. They should not be threatening to reduce core business instead of their pet projects. That is extreme bad faith. There is plenty of fat to cut so this is just game playing.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:43am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    What sort of result did you expect from progressive-dominated councils when the government just imposes a blanket 4% ceiling? Government needs to impose more specific restrictions on councils. Luxon’s “cut the dumb programs” exhortation is useless – woke councils will never give up their ideological projects willingly.
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:40am
    - Paulus
      
      Tauranga’s woke Maori named new Civic Centre, including the Library, and the special Museum, is an example – with no parking of what the wokes have done, and who is going to pay for it.
      Blame the previous Commissioners !
      
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      October 7, 2026 2:42pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In Yemen, children brave snipers and mortars on their way to school.

They are a living reproof to NZ kids who can’t be arsed to turn up to class.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c670pzpv9gk4o
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October 7, 2026 8:02am
- Southern Raider
  
  And were are the Pro Pal protesters about this. I’m sure they would claim it’s all Israel’s fault.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  Kids don’t think that way.
  When I was a kid if I turned my nose up at something mother had cooked I didn’t like she would say, think of the starving children in Africa
  All that does is cause resentment
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:10am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Really? Kids tend to have a lot more empathy (generally) than adults.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:48am
  - Countrygirl
    
    My Dad used to mention the starving Ethiopians. My response was they can have the food I didn’t like, probably rice pudding.
    
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    October 7, 2026 6:37pm
- imalwaysright
  
  In NZ about 10 infants/children get murdered each year in their own homes.
  
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  October 7, 2026 11:18am
Yvette

Can over-hang become under-hung?
So if the Maori Party have miscalculated things and win perhaps only two electorate seats but have a party vote of 4 percent, they are likely to loose one seat because their party list has only 1 person on it?

In a standard 120-seat Parliament, securing 4% of the Party Vote entitles a party to approximately 5 total seats. The party first fills in its 2 electorate seats. To reach its 5-seat entitlement, the party needs 3 list candidates, but because their official Party List contains only 1 person (General Secretary, Lance Norman) he takes 1 list seat.
The party has zero candidates left on its Party List to claim the remaining 2 seats. So under Section 193 of the Electoral Act 1993, unfulfilled list seat entitlements cannot be allocated to other party members or transferred. Those 2 seats are permanently forfeited, reducing the party’s total caucus size to 3 MPs and shrinking the overall size of Parliament down to 118 seats.

Conclusion: with only one person on their Party List, is the Maori Party indicating their expectancy that their party vote will be about zilch?

“He that lives by the sword shall die by the sword” and all that stuff
Should voters not disappoint the Maori Party?
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October 7, 2026 8:18am
- Damocles11
  
  TPM are almost certain to win 3 electorates: Waititi, Debbie Packer, and Maipi-Clarke will be returned to Parliament. They will likely win the Maori electorate centered on Auckland as well. The very strong probability is that they will 4 electorates, possibly more.
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:36am
- MCōs
  
  Te Pāti Māori has never won 4% of the party vote and won’t this time
  They have had one list MP twice; otherwise all their seats have been electorate MPs
  Their best party vote showing was in 2023 when they won 3.08%, which resulted in a two seat overhang because they won six of the Maori seats.
  I don’t think this time they’ll be looking for a new General Secretary because despite all the trauma I still think they’ll win some seats at the election.
  Somebody has to win them!
  
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  October 7, 2026 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    They can also win a seat in the special race electorates with an average of only 14000 votes per seat ,while the rest of the field needs an average 22000 votes to win a seat.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:01am
    - Yvette
      
      Kowtow, do you base your information on the last Election results?
      
      Apparently Stats NZ calculates quotas for each electorate type to ensure populations are roughly equal.
      
      Māori Electorates Quota: 74,367 people per electorate (across 7 total Māori electorates, representing a total Māori electoral population of 520,569).
      
      General Electorates Quota:
      North Island General: 69,875 people per electorate (48 electorates).
      South Island General: 70,037 people per electorate (16 electorates—fixed by law).
      Average General Quota: Roughly 69,900 people.
      
      In terms of total population assigned by census quotas, Māori electorates are actually larger than general electorates (roughly 74,400 vs. 69,900) because there are only 7 Māori seats representing a nationwide population.
      
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      October 7, 2026 12:21pm
      - kowtow
        
        Votes cast.
        
        87973 votes got 6 seats.
        
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        October 7, 2026 12:49pm
      - KH
        
        Kowtow has a good point Yvette. You preferred stat is correct, but it’s a different one.
        Kowtow correctly identifies fewer vote in those seats, so they have more MPs for the voters than others do.
        By a big and consistent margin actually.
        
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        October 7, 2026 2:43pm
- RoboRob
  
  Not going to happen. TPM doesn’t win 4% of the vote, especially not this year.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:35am
  - pdm
    
    Agreed – they will be lucky to get 2%.
    
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    October 7, 2026 12:36pm
RW Capitalist

Hipkins came across as a shouty teenager, trying to argue that he should be allowed to borrow the car…
Luxon at least had some of the numbers and facts
Hipkins tried to shout him down, but started to run out of steam in the 2nd half.
Mr Hipkins…
Just saying you have funded your promises, doesn’t actually mean you have, no matter how loud and often you say it.
But I expect no less from a socialist.
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”
― Vladimir Lenin
But the funny thing is another socialist (National Socialist) said the same thing
“The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.”
Joseph Goebbels
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October 7, 2026 8:23am
- MCōs
  
  PM Luxon certainly seemed to have some numbers, as did his beleaguered campaign manager following along on X
  Whether they had the facts is problematic
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:14am
  - R
    
    Luxon is a numbers matter man, do is his campaign manager; both have real world business experience
    
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    October 7, 2026 1:11pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Statistics, statistics, and damn lies.
    
    Quoting numbers (cherry-picked and massaged) is standard politician bullshit.
    
    Winston Peters is a master at it.
    
    He once said that in political preaching. You start by quoting one outrageous but easily confirmed stat, and the audience will believe any other numbers you throw around.
    
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    October 7, 2026 4:39pm
Damocles11

Left wing activists always find ways to infiltrate studio audiences during political debates, and the group of ‘undecided voters’ would have been no different. Why do they do it? Precisely because they are activists, political zealots. The Left wing movement is, if it is anything, a restless movement of highly motivated agitators who desperately want to change things. They think the world is unfair and changing that is the raison d’être for their very existence.
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October 7, 2026 8:41am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Their problems exist in their heads of course. When the change they dream of comes thy oft find themselves lined up against the very wall they wanted broken down.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:34am
- R
  
  Dragging the motivated element of the population down to you own level of motivation is the ‘go to’ option for the lazy.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  Allegedly national party fanatics were shown beforehand outside the TVNZ bunker
  I would have expected solid sensible types. Surely they were from central casting paid to ham it up!
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:25am
Southern Raider

In the debate Hipkins without any actual legal or international justification stated Israel is committing genocide. As with the rest of his policies he wouldn’t want facts to get in the way of an offering to the radical left. Just shows what a terrible statesman he would be.

To be fair though Luxon just did his normal fence sitting.
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October 7, 2026 8:44am
- SoloView
  
  @ Southern Raider
  re Israel and genocide legal or international justification
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_UNHRC_Commission_of_Inquiry_report_on_Gaza_genocide
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:22am
  - David George
    
    You do realise that the UNHRC is dominated by some of the World’s worst human rights violators of human rights – including the brutal, misogynistic, murderous and totalitarian Iranian Islamic regime.
    No one sane takes them seriously.
    
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    October 7, 2026 12:11pm
- Bullion
  
  Israel have a case with the ICJ on their genocide. Both Chris’s were adamant in their support of the ICJ and the ICC (which has arrest warrants for Nethanyahu and some of his colleagues)
  
  A ton of humanitarian and human rights groups have labelled it a genocide, like Amnesty International and the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) etc.
  
  “A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel’s conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human_rights_groups_accusing_Israel_of_genocide_in_Gaza
  
  If you actually looked at the article 2 and 3 of the genocide convention, it doesn’t paint Israel in a good light.
  
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  October 7, 2026 11:18am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Israel has always warned the local populations when they are going to strike, but Hamas force the people to stay in the civilian areas where they have set up camp, so that if Israel’s strike kills civilians they cane scream “Genocide” – & the UN numpties believe them.
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:38pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      where they have set up camp, so that if Israel’s strike kills civilians
      
      Like they have someplace else to go …. ?
      
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      October 7, 2026 4:09pm
    - Bullion
      
      don’t worry, they’ve also committed war crimes.
      
      just one of many:
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/05/phone-footage-appears-to-contradict-israeli-account-of-killing-of-gaza-paramedics
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/idf-unit-killing-palestinian-paramedics-golani-brigade
      
      During the Rafah attack, the Golani troops were under the command of the reservist Armoured 14th Brigade. The 14th Brigade is part of a division led by Brig Gen Yehuda Vach, who former officers say designated an unofficial “kill zone” elsewhere in the strip which resulted in the arbitrary killings of Palestinian civilians. Soldiers also alleged Vach’s “lack of operational discipline” endangered soldiers’ lives.
      
      Vach has also told troops “there are no innocents in Gaza”, according to an investigation by the Israeli daily Haaretz.
      
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      October 7, 2026 4:20pm
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    “International Association of Genocide Scholars”
    
    WTAF!
    
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    October 7, 2026 5:58pm
- David George
  
  Hipkins would be on the side of the Islamic supremacists – probably endorse total lies and hypocrisy like this:
  “On October 6, 2026, Iran’s Foreign Ministry summoned France’s ambassador to Tehran, Pierre Cochard. Officials, including Hamid Ahmadi (acting director general for human rights affairs), conveyed concerns over the French security forces’ handling of ongoing student protests, which Iran described as involving excessive force.”
  
  You read that right; this is the outfit that machine gunned tens of thousands of innocent protestors now complaining about others using water cannons and teargas to disperse rioters.
  
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  October 7, 2026 12:03pm
- KH
  
  I don’t care to debate definitions of Genocide, but with up to 80,000 deaths and counting, it outrageous and murderous.
  And it’s done by Israel.
  Folk here identify with Israelis as they think they are like us. But make no mistake, these murderous people are nothing like us at all.
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:53pm
imalwaysright

Bomb planted at Auckland train station.
Isn’t that an act of terrorism?

Mangawhau Station IED: NZDF team removes and disposes of device https://share.google/f4jeYlSAADjbnClbx
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October 7, 2026 8:47am
- Blog-aholic
  
  We need to ask Rhys Bassett.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:36am
- Spam
  
  I was in Auckland recently, and went to that outlet mall by the airport. I was surprised to see on the TV advertising displays some signs advising what to do if there was an active shooter event (hide, phone on silent etc). I know that the schools have regular lockdown drills, but this sort of advertising is new to me. Is this just a “where society is headed” thing, or driven by unspecified security threats / chatter or what?
  
  Honestly, an IED planted at a train station should be much bigger news than the media pontificating on the debate and the other useless stuff currently dominating headlines.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:42am
  - R
    
    It’s called being prepared, and aware. The Boy Scouts had this motto back in the 1940’s. Our modern society is just catching up.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:58am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Played down by the media because the precious lefties want us all to go on trains.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:58am
  - Ian
    
    I love trains – as a boy went many a times on the Dunedin to Christchurch express. A slow journey and as a boy, it didn’t matter. But today here’s no way they could run said train at a fare that’s cheaper than the plane. And if the fare on a plane is cheaper, you’d also take the plane because of the time savings. The only time I go on trains these days is the tourist trains for a holiday. Yes, the lefties, mainly the Greens in this instance, are deluded….
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:37am
    - Countrygirl
      
      I love trains too. As a child we caught the steam train from Shannon to Levin for our weekly school Manual lessons. Then at college it was the railcar to Stratford. I’d do a rail journey any time if I could afford it.
      
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      October 7, 2026 6:43pm
- Paulus
  
  Dont know where that so called rail station is – ?
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:46pm
tknorriss

I thought it was weird that they stopped giving the undecided voter ratings after Luxon had closed the gap dramatically.
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October 7, 2026 8:58am
- R
  
  The truth is unpalatable to some.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:59am
peterwn

Herald article discusses the impact of the policies of the different parties on Kiwisaver and who may be better off or worse off. The presumption seemed to be that taxation policies remained the same. However there seemed to be no discussion on the elephant in the room – promised changes in taxation. These could have a significant effect on Kiwisaver performance and the net proceeds after money is available at retirement. The pot of money a retiree could have could be at risk of being walloped by new taxes. Any discussion of the impact of election policies on Kiwisaver should surely include potential taxation changes.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/personal-finance/kiwisaver/kiwisaver-election-policies-how-party-plans-could-change-retirement-balances-greg-smith/UXPOUTW4RBDJJA6IQXEQTP2VJI/
(not paywalled).
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October 7, 2026 9:00am
- rouppe
  
  If earnings are tax exempt, then in time when the pots of gold are bigger someone will say “that’s not fair” and they will impose tax on withdrawal.
  
  So tax treatment will go from TTE to TEE to TET.
  
  There’s an overview of this here.
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:45pm
surfing

I could not abide voting for National so will switch entirely to Act.

National’s pre-election ‘coup’ , failure to address co-governance (e.g, real estate agents required to learn maori prayers and superstitions to sell houses), and failure to reduce the size of government are some determining factors for me.

If Labour win, so be it. Large tax rises, increased borrowing, ruination of education, the return of pot holes and ram raids. Government employees will go to sleep again and nothing will get done.

I think a Labour win would result in the worst government in history. They are absolute clowns.

But, a Labour win will force National to reinvent themselves which will be better in the longer term.
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October 7, 2026 9:15am
- Ghost
  
  a very stupid stance to take where you want to vote to damage the country. The REINZ issue was more than dealt with, not only through legislation but through REINZ being told their courses had to deal with their job. Boohoo, you wanted him rolled and he wasn’t, which would mean losing the election. your whole post reads like an immature child throwing a Tantrum. Don’t pretend you support the right when you are obviously just a leftie pretending.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:23am
  - RoboRob
    
    Way to win friends and influence people! Perhaps instead of insulting people you could just debate the post.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:34am
    - Ghost
      
      If you are that precious hop in your safe room
      
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      October 7, 2026 9:36am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You get that surfing is voting ACT right? They’re just saying that if the Right loses there will be a silver lining hopefully.
    
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    October 7, 2026 9:53am
    - Ghost
      
      there is no silver lining in the left wining, that is the moronic thinking that in 2020 caused the vote labour to keep the greens out of government. If you want to see the destruction that will take place because you stupidly want to punish National, then you are leftie through and through.
      
      IF you are this stupid then what you will get in the next three years will make the Ardern years look minor, and there will be no recovering from it. Mr Garrett is right in looking at Tonga as an escape from what is coming, far more will follow in fleeing. Pull your heads out of where ever you have them and make sure there is a right government, or this country is fucked beyond repair, get that into your heads right now.
      
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      October 7, 2026 9:59am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        I’ll be fine either way, I vote ACT because I believe they are actually better for everyone, not just me. National have stuffed up this term. They’ve done plenty of good and have probably rescued our economy but as politicians they also need to ensure they get votes to stay in power and they haven’t really done that. The Left is very good at the political game because that’s all they have. And we pay for it every time.
        John Key’s greatest asset was the ability to stay in power, yes he didn’t do as much good as he should have but losing would have hurt a lot of people.
        
        Again, we’re voting ACT not for the Left. National has problems and do need, no matter what happens, to fix them.
        
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        October 7, 2026 10:51am
      - Don Beckett
        
        He said he’s voting ACT – last time I looked that means a vote for the Right block. Take a deep breath & calm down.
        
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        October 7, 2026 10:52am
      - Ghost
        
        Actually don, it’s not the first time he has said he wants to punish national and that a labour win would help the right, he does it enough to show his true colors. But hey, enjoy the damage this mentality will cause, oh you probably won’t be around long enough to, but your grandchildren will
        
        BTW, are you still claiming to be an expert that knows the fire at the hospital carpark was caused by an electric car? You went silent on that when the facts came out. Expert, lol. I pretty much wouldn’t believe someone who wants to causedamage to this country honestly votes for act. People don’t always tell the truth on this blog, some claim they vote for parties they don’t, some claim to be experts in car fires.
        
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        October 7, 2026 10:58am
  - zulumonster
    
    I think you have misinterpreted Surfing’s post … he is clearly not a leftie, he is voting ACT.
    The only one throwing a tantrum appears to be you!
    
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    October 7, 2026 11:02am
  - leoj
    
    If the left win, Luxon will be the reason.
    
    The weak link should have been rolled a year ago but The Nats are not that bright.
    
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    October 7, 2026 1:10pm
- Damocles11
  
  I will give my electorate vote to National. The aim of strategic voting is to keep the Left out. This is absolutely vital. To achieve this, people on the right will have to do the things that ensure this objective. If some people are absolutely pig-headed and dig their heels in and say “no, I will do what I have always done” then that makes the paramount objective that much harder to achieve. And if some people say that they just will not vote National in the electorates then, that also makes the paramount objective harder. If the Left win the election it won’t be because of me. I am electorate voting National and am hoping that they win between 37 and 40 electorates. I am party voting ACT to help the right coalition win the maximum number of party list seats to go along with the National electorate seats.
  TPM are going all-out with the overhang strategy. A left wing win in this election will destroy the country, of that I am certain. So please vote accordingly. Please do not let this happen.
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:28am
- Fender
  
  Tend to agree with your thinking
  We havnt hit rock bottom and it seems the only way to make alot of people actually take notice of politics and think things through is if we do and it really effects them
  Lecturing and explaining is never going to work,
  People will figure it out eventually so just make yourself safe as you can and wait it out
  The country will survive another 3 years regardless of who gets in and the more they stuff it up the quicker people will awaken
  Trump winning did a reset in USA and made a lot of people actually have an opinion and they finally realised what had been happening to them quietly under Obama and Biden
  
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  October 7, 2026 12:43pm
- Paulus
  
  But full voting ACT what will you achieve as ACT will remain a small part of thye Coalition whatever.
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:49pm
I remember when

Surely the answer to the growing student debt is an incentive to get borrowers to repay as quickly as possible.
All incentives should be added to actual payments made by the students, discounts.
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October 7, 2026 9:19am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Bonding (not bondage).
  
  For selected degrees, some form of discount off the loan for being in full time employment; bonus discount for working in selected occupations in remote areas.
  
  For other degrees, no discount – and no discount for public sector roles in Wellington head offices.
  
  We need to recognise that we get the outcomes we incentivise.
  
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  October 7, 2026 6:08pm
RoboRob

My wife did the following and got interesting results, they count her as a National, Act or TOP voter.
https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz

That seemed strange so I did it. I must say it seems somewhat rigged, with various parties not at all on spectrum where I would have expected them to be. TOP are more center then Labour, National or NZF. TOP more economically conservative and right wing then labour! NZF more economically conservative then National or Act!

I think it is broken. My results, in order ….

NZF 83%
Act 80%
Nat 75%
TOP 38%
LAB 35%
Green 12%
TPM 9%

I am certainly NOT a NZF voter and have never voted for them, despite personally knowing (and liking) some NZF mps.

I think the whole thing is broken, as all it does is ask you questions and who you vote for. It then just says, other people who selected the same answers as you voted for these people. With people very confused around parties like TOP it is going to be recommending TOP to a lot of people.
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October 7, 2026 9:29am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s a joke. It treats ACT as Socially Conservative. The issue is that the policies it uses to gauge Social Liberalism are almost entirely based on the Left’s social hierarchy (i.e. if you don’t think trans women should be playing women’s sport you’re treated as socially conservative when in fact, you could be concerned with sex based rights rather than gender based rights – the Left regards gender based rights as more important than sex based rights).
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:59am
- Damocles11
  
  Vote Compass is a gimmick, a shallow set of questions without supporting information such as costings, trade-offs, and the actual effectiveness of the potential solutions being offered up. As a critical thinker, it is shocking to me that the vast majority of people will not be researching who created the thing & finding critiques of the methodology it uses to determine where you sit on the spectrum. Society has lost the ability to think. Things are just accepted at face value. It is not ‘broken’, it was fundamentally flawed from the get-go. On-line critiques of it are not hard to find, but – sadly – many gullible people will base their voting decision off of what it ‘tells’ them.
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wasn’t it established by TV One ? – say no more.
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:55am
    - Damocles11
      
      No it wasn’t. It takes mere seconds to find out who created it and which media organisations they work with. Most people are too lazy, or lacking in the ability to think, to even to this basic bit of research. Vote Compass was created by Vox Pop Labs, founded and owned by political science academic Clifton van der Linden.
      Here’s one criticism of Vote Compass from an Australian leftist, though it could apply to the centre-right as well: ‘ Vote Compass fails to assess the level of the voter’s pragmatism in achieving policy outcomes. Even though my responses qualify me as a Green, I’ll vote for my local Labor candidate because I want to see progressive reform implemented, not just feel good talking about it.’
      
      More information below –
      
      https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=K3iwBzEAAAAJ&hl=en
      
      https://philarchive.org/archive/ELOTFO
      
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      October 7, 2026 11:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Was a gimic before and is again as pushing forward the lefties of TVNZ
    
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    October 7, 2026 2:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Why is your postcode relevant to the process?
  
  Its the first thing they ask for.
  
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  October 7, 2026 11:21am
- nz_aj
  
  Its rubbish, not worth clicking on and much worse than the past, all the parties on a line only, and with all “right” parties being conservative, National being more than 1/3 into the right spectrum (when they should be in the centre or left of centre), and TOP not out with greens/TPM.
  
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  October 7, 2026 12:25pm
I remember when

Climate lawsuits have their day in Supreme Court:
NY Times.

Sign carried by supporters:
” Climate Change is not an Opinion.”
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October 7, 2026 9:29am
- MCōs
  
  That’s actually a very good sign.
  Similarly
  One’s age is not an opinion
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:35am
tknorriss

From a purely objective perspective, and I am definitely not voting Labour.

But excluding the content, I thought Hipkins seemed a bit calmer, spoke a bit slower, and generally looked a bit more confident. Hipkins also used a few more personal anecdotes that would have helped him connect better.

I noticed that Luxon appeared more likeable when he was doing that as well.

But Luxon did tend to gabble a bit, and I think often used language that would have gone over people’s heads, sometimes using boardroom speak.

These are all things he can fix for the next one.
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October 7, 2026 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  These are all things he can fix for the next one.
  
  Last night’s was the only Leaders’ debate being run by TV One this election.
  
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  October 7, 2026 9:59am
  - Nobby2
    
    Thanks goodness for that.
    
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    October 7, 2026 10:06am
    - MCōs
      
      Why?
      
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      October 7, 2026 10:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Looks like TV3 and Stuff will also run a Leaders’ debate
    
    Christopher Luxon has two more head-to-head debates with Chris Hipkins before voting begins, on Three next Wednesday and on Stuff the following Tuesday.
    
    https://www.democracyproject.org.nz/p/democracy-briefing-what-luxons-debate
    
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    October 7, 2026 5:54pm
- rouppe
  
  Luxon gabbles to avoid committing to anything.
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:33pm
- Paulus
  
  Tame fixed it to show is own ineptitude.
  
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  October 7, 2026 2:53pm
- Philview
  
  The same two men had extensive debates 3 years ago. Neither should be showing signs of inexperience.
  
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  October 7, 2026 3:03pm
Flossie

I’m pleased to read that David Tamahere will not be re-tried for the Swedish couple’s murder. It would just be a huge waste of court time and public money, as even if he was found guilty no doubt the resulting sentence would equate to time served. After 36 plus years how many original witnesses are still available and how good are their memories? I know one personally and as he now lives in another country he would have to be brought here at yet more expense. There would probably be others too.
Of course I have to mention that the accused should have the opportunity to be found not guilty and clear his and his family’s reputation.
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October 7, 2026 10:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and clear his and his family’s reputation
  
  David Tamihere was found guilty of the manslaughter of Mary Barcham in 1972.
  
  He hit her on the head with a rifle.
  
  He has a string of other convictions including for rape, assault of female, theft, etc.
  
  He had a prior conviction for the manslaughter of Mary Barcham, a 23-year-old woman in Auckland, whom he killed in 1972 when he was aged 18 by hitting her on the head with a rifle. In April 1986, Tamihere broke into an Auckland house, where he raped and threatened a 47-year-old woman for over six hours. He pleaded guilty but fled while on bail,… Tamihere was not found until 1989, after which he was jailed for six and a half years for the 1986 offences. In 1992, he was found guilty of assaulting a 62-year-old woman in her home in 1985.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Urban_H%C3%B6glin_and_Heidi_Paakkonen
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:43am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    David Tamihere has no reputation to salvage.
    
    Is he guilty, in this case? There must be some serious doubt, given the evidence of the watch.
    
    Should he have been out of jail at the time? No, he’s clearly a scumbag, who should have received much longer sentences for the offences listed by Maggy. But, sheet that home to the Sentencing Act.
    
    Has he committed other offences, for which he has never been prosecuted, let alone convicted? If I were a betting man, I’d say highly likely.
    
    Am I concerned that he has been denied his day in court? Not really. The taxpayer has spent a gazillion on him down through the years. There are limits.
    
    The best thing Tamihere can do is to find something meaningful to do to pay something back to society, and the second best thing he can do is to pipe down and trouble the rest of us no more.
    
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    October 7, 2026 6:22pm
- MCōs
  
  The guy may be guilty for all I know, but I’d find it had to believe a retrial would find him so.
  Where does that leave him?
  The police must be fuming. The obviously cocked the whole thing up, but you can be sure they still think he was the murderer
  
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  October 7, 2026 10:50am
  - kowtow
    
    So did the juries.
    
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    October 7, 2026 11:13am
    - KH
      
      So do I.
      
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      October 7, 2026 2:59pm
Philview

I have read Christa Pike is awake and speaking. It would be bizarre to wake up from an execution. Would you think you are on the other side?
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October 7, 2026 11:24am
- mw
  
  You open your eyes after an execution to find yourself handcuffed to a bed with tubes in you.
  Do you think you are alive or in hell? Would be very interesting to know the first thoughts of someone that is wondering if they have discovered there is in fact an afterlife or if things were just botched.
  
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  October 7, 2026 3:16pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There’s a dozen PhDs there, just waiting to be written.
    
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    October 7, 2026 6:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Only if there was a fire on and the room very hot.
  
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  October 7, 2026 3:23pm
rouppe

Looks like Putin is more stupid than I thought.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/drone-strike-sinks-ship-nato-waters-zelenskyy-warns-looming-massive-strike
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Why I am retiring from political blogging
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