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November 22, 2006 4:51pm by David Farrar

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The Investigate Blog says they will be breaking a major story in the near future. Hopefully not while I am on a plane!

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Inventory2

Gone by the end of lunchtime! No surprise really, but the question now is, how soon will he be followed by DBP? The parallels between what Wishart is alleging now, and the assaults for which the police found a prima facie case are startling, to say the least. If Wishart’s allegations are not challenged, it seems to me to be totally unrealistic that BP could remain as Social Development minister, with responsibility for the Children, Young Persons and their Families Service – after all, you can hardly call his “leanings” compatible with family values – then again, this IS the Labour Government we’re talking about!
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November 23, 2006 1:33pm
Take2CupsofFlour

Am I missing something here?

How does his being into BDSM suddenly make him bisexual?
Posted by Rachel

No one claimed that simply by virtue of him being in BDSM that makes him automatically bi-sexual.

Read the article. A witness documents his bi-sexual behaviour.
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November 23, 2006 1:39pm
Inventory2

Just as aside – just read the NZ Hreald article about DBP, and was intrigued by the statement “Mr Benson-Pope said that he had taken legal advice about Investigate editor Ian Wishart and his lawyer had been in contact with television networks.” If DBP has nothing to hide, why would he be getting his lawyers to “heavy” TV networks?
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November 23, 2006 1:39pm
Take2CupsofFlour

Well he’s not going to say “yip, you got me” as he is a Labour MP afterall – they are pathalogically allergic to the up front, honest response.

When you don’t want to deny it outright or risk later being caught in a lie when all cards are played you say and do things that sound like denials. A tried a true tactic is to trot out the legal threats – remember Peron promising to set lawyers onto all who highlighted his dirty past? Nothing came of it.

Wishart isn’t stupid. His livlihood, his professional success is centred around the success of Investigate. He wouldn’t have printed such an obvious case for a claim of defamation without ensuring he could successfully defend such a charge with a defence of truth.
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November 23, 2006 1:46pm
Razork

And here was me thinking you had to be Bi to be a Labour MP
You mean he might get in trouble for this?
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November 23, 2006 1:48pm
red

some how i think this story will be completely ignored thanks to the other major story tonight.

wishart couldn’t have picked a worse day for this story.
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November 23, 2006 1:51pm
sonic

But surely Don Brash was going to lead National to triumph in the next election? (copyright Insolent Prick 2006)
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November 23, 2006 1:52pm
Andrew

With respect jamie, you’ve misread my post. The existence of the EB’s is no more or less a secret than Southern Kinx. Your or I could probably join both on the same day.

I’m referring to the personal value systems of individuals voted to represent us in parliament. In that regard, and on the assumption that the DBP story is corroborated, his personal value system is confirmed as quite different from the happy family man image he presented on polling day. Some voters will feel misled by that.
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November 23, 2006 1:53pm
Thrash Cardiom

Brash has gone. Resigned effective as of Monday
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November 23, 2006 1:54pm
andrew llewellyn

” If DBP has nothing to hide, why would he be getting his lawyers to “heavy” TV networks? ”

You tend to do that too, if unsavoury & libellous accusations are made against you.
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November 23, 2006 1:59pm
Jamie

I’m referring to the personal value systems of individuals voted to represent us in parliament. In that regard, and on the assumption that the DBP story is corroborated, his personal value system is confirmed as quite different from the happy family man image he presented on polling day. Some voters will feel misled by that.

aha. well, yes.

And the same might have been said for ‘mainstream’ Don Brash. Even more so, I suppose, because there Brash was presumably/allegedly deceiving his wife, whereas Pope appears to have been partaking in his ‘deviant’ past-time with the knowledge of his spouse (correct me if I’m wrong).

but I suppose Brash’s indiscretion is now moot.
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November 23, 2006 2:03pm
Poll-driven fruitcake

Poor DPF, he was so looking foward to the PBP story hogging the headlines tonight 🙁
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November 23, 2006 2:06pm
Poll-driven fruitcke

Poor DPF he was so looking forward to the PBP story hogging the news headlines tonight 🙁
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November 23, 2006 2:09pm
Andrew

jamie – Agreed. My regard for Brash was impacted by his alleged affair. Deceitful as that behaviour may have been, few would label it deviant. DBP is not likely to be so fortunate.
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November 23, 2006 2:11pm
Cassius

I think DPF knew, hence The Flight. What will be interesting is how he will sit with the new appointee and regime. We may see the formation of “New” National, or the money men may well be able to afford to keep the Old afloat.

Most of all, we need an Opposition.
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November 23, 2006 2:17pm
Poll-driven fruitcke

Poor DPF he was so looking forward to the DBP story hogging the news headlines tonight 🙁
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November 23, 2006 2:22pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

I think DPF knew, hence The Flight

Nah – he’s been blogging about this trip for a while. He’s meeting Thatcher in the UK and I doubt even Dr Brash’s misfortunes will be able to pour cold water on his current mood.
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November 23, 2006 2:27pm
Cassius

I thought Maggie was gaga? The money men will want Key, but unless he has the power to withstand the smiling internal knives, he’s toast.

Either way it’s hard to press forward when you’re constantly having to watch your back.

National Party Leader #5 in 9 years…beware the Ides of March.
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November 23, 2006 2:43pm
dime

hope they move brash to finance if key steps up.
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November 23, 2006 2:52pm
Insolent Prick

As we all know, the Labour Party doesn’t have any internal politicking or machinations; every member is squeaky-clean, there is no conniving, no manipulation, no special interest groups, no fringe organisations with any influence over the Labour Party, no large donors making anonymous or “arms-length” transactions, no special dealing…

You pinkos must wake up every morning with a constant sense of wonder as to how moral and proper your democratic party organisation is.

Don Brash is a very good man, who brought National to the brink of a historic win in 2005. If Labour hadn’t corruptly misappropriated public funds to outspend everybody else in the election campaign, Don Brash would be Prime Minister right now. He has more personal integrity in one strand of his combover than every Labour caucus member who has served as an MP in the last twenty years.

Fascinating how the Labour Party can dish the worst kind of political smear in recent history against a man they consistently had confidence in to run the New Zealand economy for 14 years, and the most you pinkos can do is gloat about doing him in.

I’m not surprised that Don Brash is quitting politics. The Labour Party carried out an act of political assassination using the filthiest tactics.

Bring on John Key. Fuckers.
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November 23, 2006 3:00pm
Don

When I read that it was Nicky Hagar writing the book with those emails I laughed.

Then I cried and quit my job.
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November 23, 2006 3:00pm
Psycho Milt

You seem confused, IP. Don Brash needn’t look outside his own caucus for the assassins, and I believe none of them are members of the Labour Party. Perhaps if National MPs could stop stabbing their leaders in the back for more than 5 minutes, they’d get one that lasted more than a couple of years – just a thought.
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November 23, 2006 3:11pm
sonic

It is insolent Prick, the notradamus of NZ politics. Who could forget that only yesterday he posted

“Every time you have tried to demonise Don Brash, he has bounced back higher in the polls. He doubled National’s vote at the last election. He leads National at a time when the Nats are continuing to thump Labour in the polls, by even wider margins every week.

Look out for Orewa III. Brash’s next speech will make you toast. As much as Labour wants to collude with nut-jobs like Nicky Hager–who blamed Brash for Rod Donald’s death just last year–Brash will be our next Prime Minister.”
Posted by Insolent Prick | November 22, 2006 11:36 AM”

Now he is backing John Key, poor John!
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November 23, 2006 3:13pm
Jamie

I’m not surprised that Don Brash is quitting politics.

You’re not? Yesterday you were predicting a glorious Don Brash-led victory for National at the next election. Orewa III! How does that reconcile with not being surprised at his departure?
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November 23, 2006 3:14pm
sonic

Being a Tory means never having to say you are sorry Jamie.
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November 23, 2006 3:16pm
Insolent Prick

Jamie:

Don Brash would have led National to a whalloping victory, if he had chosen to stay on. I’m not surprised that all the sleaze and smear that Labour has thrown in his direction has led him to the personal decision that he’s far too good a man to put up with that shit.
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November 23, 2006 3:17pm
sonic

IP redefines the word smear. It used to mean lying about someone, now it means quoting them verbatim.
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November 23, 2006 3:20pm
Andrew

Tut tut, Bullying IP are we? He made a prediction based on his gut-instinct, and he got it wrong.

Will those of you who never make mistakes please continue to posting your gloating. The rest of you should try to find something constructive to say.
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November 23, 2006 3:20pm
sonic

Andrew if you make a whopper like that on a forum like this you get called on it. I’m sure if the boot was on the other foot IP would be leading the charge.

Still ok, somthing constructive, how long before Key resigns?
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November 23, 2006 3:24pm
Insolent Prick

Sonic,

You are actually gloating that you and the Labour Party have personally destroyed a man for no reason other than that he was a threat to Labour holding onto the baubles of public office.

Don Brash would have thrashed you next election. That was my prediction yesterday; that hasn’t changed. What has changed is that Don Brash is no longer prepared to put himself and his family on the line.

I really don’t think New Zealand will reward you for that.
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November 23, 2006 3:30pm
Cassius

How long before Key resigns?
Oh, round about The Ides of March, I’d say.
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November 23, 2006 3:30pm
Russell Brown

He has more personal integrity in one strand of his combover than every Labour caucus member who has served as an MP in the last twenty years.

Be a bit careful not to get too far up the creek, IP. I gather (on the account of people who have seen it, none of whom are in the Labour Party) that at the least, Hager’s book will contain evidence that Dr Brash has not been entirely and at all times upfront with the public.
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November 23, 2006 3:32pm
Insolent Prick

Come on, Russell. You must have seen one of Johansson’s copies, along with three other members of the Government who received stuff from him.

I’m not about to congratulate the Labour Party on achieving what they set out to do: to deliberately destroy a man they consistently supported as Reserve Bank Governor for fourteen years, for no reason other than that he was a direct threat to Labour retaining its baubles of office.

And I don’t really think it’s very tasteful for pinkos to be crowing about a deliberate and cynical plan to destroy somebody actually working.

http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10401688
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November 23, 2006 3:37pm
james.c

Hi I/P, do you remember your ‘pinko’ comment to me yesterday (i prefer apricot if you’re interested)? You were responding to my assertion that Brash would not make the next election (not a particularly difficult prediction on my part, no great suprise really).

What was it, ah yes, you said DB -will- thrash Labour, man I thought you would stop digging!
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November 23, 2006 3:42pm
sonic

Breaking news, political party campaigns against its opponents, is this the end of civilisation as we know it?

Save a little bit of your ire at the plotters inside National IP.
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November 23, 2006 3:42pm
dimebag

Well it’s late at night
And I’m all alone
And I can hear her boots
As she’s near her home

Well you can’t refuse
and you just can’t choose what she’s gonna do
Well you can’t refuse
and you just can’t choose what she’s gonna do
Scratch, scratch
She’s clawing at the door
Oh no I can’t take it anymore
Crack, crack
I’m feelin’ so sore
I never should’ve asked for
Black Leather
Black Leather
Ooh Black Leather
Black Leather
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November 23, 2006 3:44pm
Peter S

Its a pretty simple equation really.

Even if, by the most warped type of partisan twisting of fact, you were able to make Brash & National out to be equally corrupt, dishonest & sleazy as Clark & Labour, there is one quite startling difference.

Brash has kept some vestige of personal honour by resigning.

DBP, Clark & Field have shown that they have none.

If this is a victory for Labour, then it really is a very sad indictment on the moral and ethical state of not only our politicians, but the country as a whole.
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November 23, 2006 3:44pm
sonic

Lets see how many of you are still praising Dr B when his emails are released.

On Tuesday there was nothing to them, 48 hours later he gone.

Must be pretty toxic stuff.
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November 23, 2006 3:46pm
Cassius

Key has stepped up to the poisoned plate. I wonder who really rolled Don, or if, as it seems, the National Party is really winging it?
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November 23, 2006 3:49pm
Jen Campbell

Sonic, how do you think your Dear Leader would fare, if all her personal correspondence was leaked to a journalist? The only thing ‘toxic’ about Brash is his treatment by the Govt.
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November 23, 2006 3:56pm
tim barclay

There is absolutely no public interest factor in Benson Pope’s sex life at all what ever it happens to be. I find Wishart sleezy even though his target is hideous and ugly.
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November 23, 2006 3:59pm
sonic

Lets wait and see what the emails say Jen. Don tried to cover them up but when that became impossible he had to walk the plank.

Must be bad.
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November 23, 2006 4:04pm
Jen Campbell

Sonic – I suspect that the worst case scenario is that he may have had some contact with the EB’s, or the Roundtable. Big f’ing deal – everyone seems to forget that we do actually live in a free country, and that organisations are allowed to support particular policital parties. Just ask your Union mates! Why is Union involvement in politics OK, and not a ‘vast left wing plot’.
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November 23, 2006 4:10pm
Jamie

I suspect that the worst case scenario is that he may have had some contact with the EB’s, or the Roundtable.

Oh come on, that’s your “worst case” scenario? He’s already had some contact with the EBs and the Roundtable – further revelations on this front are hardly going to cause Brash to jump ship.
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November 23, 2006 4:17pm
Andrew

National have to contend with the blend of fact and fiction that Hager is serving up and help get Key up to speed and resume attacking Labour for their corrupt governance. Thinking labour supporters (the minority) will be hoping the first two tasks occupy all National’s bandwidth, because there’s no shortage of corruption mud available for slinging at H1 Inc. The bulk of Labours supporters don’t care, don’t understand or can’t read.

Yes indeed, this is going to be interesting. And DBP gets to live and whip another day.
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November 23, 2006 4:17pm
Insolent Prick

Keep spinning, Sonic.

Labour has conducted a personal smear campaign against Don Brash, and made it impossible for him to function.

I’m pleased that we live in a country where that kind of cynical contempt and manipulation isn’t rewarded by the voters.

Your beloved Labour Party is fucked now, Sonic. Good riddance, you pathetic little shit. And get a fucking job.
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November 23, 2006 4:47pm
sonic

“Your beloved Labour Party is fucked now”

Another prediction?

You think he would have learned his lesson by now, but no on he goes. Any chance you could predict I’m not going to win the lottery this week mate?
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November 23, 2006 4:50pm
Pascal's Bookie

Don may well have handed Key a poisoned chalice. The timing of his resignation is a final example of his political club foot. He says he is going to fight Hagars claims, then he resigns in the face of them, lending credence to whatever Hagar has on Key. The facts of it no longer matter politically, Hagar has been proven right by Dons surrender.

As far as Hagars book goes I’m interested in seeing if the ‘neocon’ stuff will turn out to be a misnomer. Hagar may have mislabled the American faction the Nats have been working with, as I doubt the neocons don’t give a rats about NZ. I’m guessing it’s christian coalition types and all around nice guy Grover Norquist, who has of course never been associated with corruption or electoral shennagins at all. no sir.

This from the washington post in Jan 04 (around the time of the emails Hagar has I’m guessing)….

“And after Norquist purges the United States, there is the rest of the world. He says this with the confidence of a man who uses a black laundry marker as a pen. He has helped start Wednesday meetings in Canada, New Zealand, England and Japan. He has learned to be patient: “I now understand you can’t just explain to the idiots how to do it and to see it your way, because they’re too foolish to see it.”

I/P
I know your’e probably upset (i’m not being snarky here) it’s been a shitty day for you. You are not making any sense These are Don’s emails leaked by Nats, all Labour has done is get wind of it and snigger. That’s politics. Sure they kept in on at the RB, but he also stayed on there quite happily under them so I’m not sure what your point is.
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November 23, 2006 5:02pm
Pascal's Bookie

sheesh
“as I doubt the neocons give a rats about NZ”

preview is my friend
preview is my friend
preview is my friend
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November 23, 2006 5:07pm
Pascal's Bookie

sheesh

“as I doubt the neocons give a rats about NZ”
and
“Sure, they kept HIM on at the RB”

preview is my friend
preview is my friend
preview is my friend
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November 23, 2006 5:08pm
dime

i love how the left always speak for “the people”.

apparently there is no public interest about DBP and yet ive spokent o a dozen people about it today and they seemed interested haha

the guy likes to be tied up & gagged. when he was a teacher he tied up and gagged a student. can ya see where im going with this?
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November 23, 2006 6:03pm
Fred

What a pasty receding chinned bed wetting mob are the conservatives that subsist in NZ.

Bet ya Don ran screaming from the room cos he once got pissed, kicked the dog and plotted using all means possible to beat Hulun or equivalent.

NZ conservatives buy their plastic spines at K-Mart.
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November 23, 2006 6:28pm
Jamie

i love how the left always speak for “the people”.

i love how the right always generalise about “the left”.
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November 23, 2006 6:31pm
Andrew

What I love is watching Labour supporters overlook rampant ethical depravity in blind support of socialist ideology. This Labour government will go down in history as a record-breaking liars, thieves & cheats despite such support.
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November 23, 2006 6:52pm
Raddish

Halfdone has the best quote I have seen in ages which sums up what is really going on in NZ:

“”Obsession with holding a Government to account is a sign of a successful democracy.

Obsession with holding an Opposition to account is a sign of an emerging dictatorship.””
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November 23, 2006 6:52pm
Andrew Bannister

I am not sure us lefties should be celebrating Brash’s resignation. I think John Key will be far more formidable than Brash, although I am unsure if Key will have a decent wingman.
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November 23, 2006 7:05pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

So what will the Leftist splutterers have to say abour Wishart when Abu-Dope resigns tomorrow?
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November 23, 2006 7:27pm
mara

Jesus wept…256 comments already on this wretched man’s alleged sexual proclivities.I know that crastner thinks I should be knitting booties and baking scones and this is after all a political site;OK,but I have to say that you folk seem to be enjoying this far more than is healthy.
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November 23, 2006 7:38pm
andrei

Adolf you know only too well if Ian Wishart is correct an DPB resigns he will do it for family reasons and will be painted as a victim of a vicious right wing smear campaign.

Thats what the lefties will say – and who know they may even come to believe it
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November 23, 2006 7:44pm
dfr

The charges against Benson-Pope and Brash are not deviant sexual practices / affairs / whatever. The charges are hypocrisy.

Dr Brash paraded his marriage, but had an affair on the side. And yes, that fact that his affair was with a major right wing political lobbyist is important.

Mr Benson-Pope paraded his ‘normal heterosexual’ marriage when he was fronting for the civil unions legislation (which BTW, I support, as being better than nothing, but not nearly as good as it should have been i.e full marriage for same-sex couples).

I don’t like the sound of Mr Benson-Pope’s alleged sexual activities, but it does sound very much as though all the participants were consenting adults.

However, if the BDSM allegations are true, then there’s a rather nasty feel about Mr Benson-Pope’s treatment of school children. They were not, by any definition, consenting adults.
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November 23, 2006 8:25pm
kiwi_donkey

Good call DFR. I wonder whether the police should revisit their decision not to prosecute, in the light of this new information. Some historical crimes are worse than others.
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November 23, 2006 8:29pm
TIC

“Now that I’m thinking along these lines, isn’t it noticable how often those on the religious right become obsessed with other peoples sex lives?”

For the most part, whether you like it or not, “fundie” Christians tend to have a very traditional view of sex and those views are one of the distinctive elements of the Christian worldview and lifestyle.

The world by and large teaches that a person’s private life and their public behaviour can be kept separate. I don’t agree with that at all. Hence Christian views on matters such as this are relevant because, in this case, the subject’s private life is likely to spill over into his public life.
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November 23, 2006 8:44pm
spector

Yep. Well said DFR.
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November 23, 2006 8:44pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

God help New Zealand if some you brainless people ever get involved in government, governance or positions of minor responibility. Do you mean to tell me you would be quite happy for the person who is teaching your children to be a closet donkey fucker so long as the donkey did not say ‘no’?
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November 23, 2006 8:50pm
TIC

James C
“Wishart, and all the scum posters on this thread are an embarrassment. What a person does in private is of no consequence, provided it is legal, which is true for both Brash and Benson-Pope.”

Why is it “of no consequence”?

What a person does in their private life spills over into their public life, inevitably.

This fellow has been accused of engaging in public practices that indicate a connection between his attitudes supposedly in his private life and in his public life. The inference is plain.

Mr Mark Peck, another Labour member, fell from favour because in his private life he drank too much. This spilled over into his public life quite inevitably.

It’s simply naive and stupid to suggest that one’s private life can be so compartmentalised that it has no relevance to one’s public life.
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November 23, 2006 8:51pm
TIC

“God help New Zealand if some you brainless people ever get involved in government, governance or positions of minor responibility. Do you mean to tell me you would be quite happy for the person who is teaching your children to be a closet donkey fucker so long as the donkey did not say ‘no’?”

Well said Adolf. Who really believes that someone’s private life is irrelevant?

Though I suppose for Labour as the vanguard of sexual liberalisation with all the laws they have pushed through DBP is all perfectly acceptable and he would make a great role model in classrooms with whatever the next new agenda that the socialist unions can dredge up.
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November 23, 2006 8:59pm
kiwi_donkey

Just as a wee reminder, watch the video from March 2006, with Chris Trotter and Rodney Hide both saying Benson Pope should resign and that Labour were absolute hypocrites in their treatment of him. Bear in mind, this is before all this other stuff came out.

So remember. He is still here because Helen Clark stood by him, just as she stood by Philip Field at the post-Ingram press conference.

See the first video on:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/671475
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November 23, 2006 9:04pm
dfr

Do you mean to tell me you would be quite happy for the person who is teaching your children to be a closet donkey fucker so long as the donkey did not say ‘no’?

Well, as long as the donkey was a consenting adult.

And as long as the teacher did not behave in ways that implied that the activities she engaged in in her private life were influencing the way she behaved towards my children in her capacity as their teacher.

And as long as she didn’t hold herself out to be happily married, in a standard heterosexual union, for political reasons.

I might find donkey fucking to be distasteful, just as I find brussels sprouts and Sing-Star to be distasteful, but not immoral.
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November 23, 2006 9:08pm
kiwi_donkey

You know, I find all these comments about donkey-fucking a bit, well, personal.
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November 23, 2006 9:13pm
Ben Wilson

Yup, I really wouldn’t give a stuff if someone fucks donkeys. If they fuck kids I might worry.
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November 23, 2006 9:20pm
andrei

If they fuck kids I might worry.

And if they get their rocks of by gagging and bondage and they indulge in that with kids under their charge in a classroom? Where does that sit with you Ben Wilson?
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November 23, 2006 9:32pm
Andrew

So continuing the current theme, and with the deepest respect to donkey’s everywhere (incl our own dear kiwi_donkey) I have a question for animal rights folks (he ventured… hoping to attract the attention of a greenie or two)

If the sexual preferences of whips, group orgies and all things anal are simply private matters and should in no way limit said MP from holding public office of, say, minister social development, then what of barnyard”>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52120″>barnyard sex by the same person in the role of minister of agriculture? Surely the latter is cruelty to animals and would make the perpetrator unsuitable for such a ministerial post?
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November 23, 2006 9:34pm
Andrew

doh! http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52120
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November 23, 2006 9:37pm
TIC

“‘In the public interest’ is not ‘whatever the public are interested in’.

Wishart, and all the scum posters on this thread are an embarrassment. What a person does in private is of no consequence, provided it is legal, which is true for both Brash and Benson-Pope.”

It’s all fair game for the audience of Investigate magazine, most of whom tend to look outside the mainstream media. Wishart is giving this group what they expect from him.

You never know, because there could now be pressure from those conservative Dunedinites for DBP to retire quietly at the next election.

This sort of thing does smell – as a former National candidate John Connelly found out to his considerable discomfort.
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November 23, 2006 9:38pm
Andrew

TIC – you make the assumption that legal=acceptable. Some of the scum posters here don’t agree with that.
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November 23, 2006 9:41pm
TIC

“some how i think this story will be completely ignored thanks to the other major story tonight.

wishart couldn’t have picked a worse day for this story.”

You mean Brash has committed his final gaffe, specifically
– releasing his decision today while his advisors must have known that this DBP business was on the go
– having his press conference at 1 pm, ensuring the afternoon session of Parliament would be overshadowed by the announcement.

Parliament has just risen for two weeks. The damage potential is thus limited.

Brash could have left his announcement to Friday morning.
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November 23, 2006 9:46pm
randominanity

Y’know if Wishart’s story is right then DBP is a “sub” and not a “dom”. Sub’s take punishment not dish it out. So by that logic the kids should have been beating him not the otherway round.

Just a thought.

Oh and another thought how does Wishart’s article reconcile with this one he wrote in July 2000?

Sex, drugs, a horse, and a teenager. IAN WISHART wants to know whether the media realise they’re in a glass house.

Sex sells. And nowhere more so than on the desk of some bored news editor whose own life is so tedious they have to get their titillation from writing about other people’s pecadilloes.

So what if Mark Todd uses cocaine? If the Sunday Mirror had revealed that his horse had snorted the Colombian marching dust I’d probably be more concerned, but I can’t just get excited about Todd’s personal habits, if any.

In my career as a radio/TV/print journalistI have seen so many of my colleagues stoned, drunk or both in varying stages of moral decay. I don’t need to name names. They know who they are.

Narcotics are not something I’ve ever wanted to indulge in – apart from a brief fling with marijuana as a 20 year old radio reporter, which I quit because I felt it was fuzzing my short term memory.

But my fellow journalists not only went with dope, they progressively got stuck into harder narcotics like speed, ecstasy, cocaine, and even heroin.

In some places I worked, the sight of manic reporters with horribly glazed eyes and sinus problems was one of the amusing highlights of my day.

Hell, at Radio Hauraki in 1984 I came to work one day only to find that half of my fellow employees had been picked up in a dawn raid by police investigating a cocaine ring – the same investigation that saw a National MP left untouched by police because arresting the MP would have upset the Muldoon Government’s one seat majority and caused a snap election.

Now in the latter case had I known of the the MP’s involvement at the time I would have run it as a news story for obvious reasons – but not simply because the MP was using cocaine. The only news value in the story for me was that police allowed political pressure to influence their judgement.

And so back to Mark Todd. I, and I’m sure most New Zealanders, don’t want to know what he does in his spare time or who he does it with. The only legitimate news value in the Mirror story was whether or not any alleged drug taking would affect Todd’s equestrian performance.

As for the Dover Samuels affair, spare me! Regardless of whether he showed stupidity in getting involved with a teenage girl, unless it is shown that she was underage then he has done nothing illegal, no matter how much any of us may find it repugnant.

For the Prime Minister to sack him, before all the evidence is in and without allowing due process to be followed, shows how hollow the Government’s words are on our employment law – any employment lawyer worth his salt would have a field day with this on a personal grievance/unjustified dismissal basis.

Given that some MPs have paid out sums of $90,000 or more to extortionists to cover up sexual misdeeds, one wonders how long before the lid blows on that one.

Again the news value is not the sex, it is the fact that some of our MPs have been compromised and could be blackmailed into committing treason or corruption.

It is time for the media to watch the ball, not the balls.

Investigate Magazine,
July 2000.
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November 23, 2006 10:04pm
Anon

– “…by that logic the kids should have been beating him not the other way round” –

Ever tried being a teacher? Those heroic folks take regular beatings – psychological, verbal and in some cases physical. Hey maybe the kids drove DBP to it, he’s probably safer at the kinx club than in the classroom!
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November 23, 2006 10:22pm
james.c

Adolf, “when abu-dope resigns tomorrow”

You are a piss-take eh? I mean, you are near legendary for having a warped political compass, yet you do not desist, (and statistically you should get at least one right).

I mean, ‘Adolf’ and all, you are a left winger just taking off a half-baked tory, yeah? You seem stupid enough at first glance (to pass as one), but that’s the problem, you seem too stupid under closer inspection.

Apologies if not, very funny (albeit overdone) if I’m right.

Good luck with the DBP prediction (seriously), i think the guy’s a liability for Labour, and the story won’t likely be on the front page tomorrow if he does, so the timing would be perfect.

And to all the sheet sniffers, a person’s private business is just that, private. Grow up you sad simple losers.
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November 23, 2006 10:32pm
Anon

And to all the sheet sniffers, a person’s private business is just that, private.

And to all the A4 email sniffers, a person’s private email is just that, private.

Right?
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November 23, 2006 10:36pm
Andrew

Hey james.c, so what about a person’s private religious beliefs. They’re private – yes?

No chance that they might be seen as threatening by a government?

No need to call on the MSM to help demonise any particular group?

Private is private and there’s no prospect of anything private impacting ones suitability to hold public office.
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November 23, 2006 10:41pm
Ben Wilson

Andrei

“And if they get their rocks of by gagging and bondage and they indulge in that with kids under their charge in a classroom? Where does that sit with you Ben Wilson?”

If they gagged or tied up kids these days it would be a crime, and it would sit poorly with me, whether they got their rocks off or not, which is an irrelevance.

In days of greater permissiveness about violence towards children for disciplinary purposes, something heavily advocated by twits here, it would have sat badly with me too, but I probably wouldn’t have been able to do much about it. Again, not because of anyone secretly getting their rocks off, an unknowable unprovable assertion, but because I have never liked any form of corporal punishment or humiliation of children, because I didn’t like receiving it when I was a child, and not being a hypocrite is important to me.

I don’t claim to like DBP, but I still wouldn’t really care what he did in his spare time, other than as a form of mild amusement. If he was a good teacher, he’d still be a good teacher. Many who dealt out such things were – their classes had a lot less time-wasting larakin dicks acting the goat in there. Doesn’t mean I approve of their methods, but that was a different time, and a different kind of school to what I attended.
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November 23, 2006 10:51pm
james.c

Anon, “a person’s private emails are private, right”, yes, I agree.

Andrew, “a person’s private religion is private”, yes, I agree.

Yet, you seem to be disagreeing with me (or pointing these statements at me for some reason)? Are you guys not the sharpest, or are you both just high?
What on earth is your point?

Ben Wilson, “If he gagged and tied kids up it is a crime, and would sit poorly with me, whether he got off or not, which is irrelevant”, that statement is 100% accurate. I wonder why you bother with such reasoned responses to people who will just never get it though Ben.
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November 24, 2006 9:16am
spector

Jimminy! Things are looking worse for DBP… this just off the Investigate website….

SECRET RECORDING HOLDS KEY TO BENSON-POPE SEX ALLEGATIONS

NEWS RELEASE FROM INVESTIGATE ONLINE

24 NOVEMBER 2006

“SECRET RECORDING HOLDS KEY TO BENSON-POPE SEX ALLEGATIONS”

Investigate Online confirmed today it was in possession of a secret recording of a conversation involving members of a Dunedin sado-masochism group that confirmed David Benson-Pope’s involvement in the sadism ring and also discussed how to protect other members of the group by simply lying to the media.

The story broke on Wednesday evening when Investigate published a detailed article on its website alleging, among other things, that the Minister for Social Development, in charge of CYFS, had a sado-masochism fetish that included adult-child sexual discipline.

In the secret recording, one member of the “Southern Kinx” group can be heard confirming they had fed a journalist making inquiries about Benson-Pope “bullshit”, and that they had denied knowing other key members of the group as well.

The members can then be heard discussing how to combat the out-ing of “Panty”, which is short for Benson-Pope’s bondage nickname “Panty-slut-boy”, and its implications for the rest of the group.

The members refer to Benson-Pope by his proper name at times, and parts of the recording disclose extremely angry exchanges about the fact that the information has made it into the media.

There is also anger that “Panty’s” treatment of Bayfield High School students has brought attention on his involvement in the sado-masochism community.

Investigate Online is not releasing its extensive tapes and recordings for a number of reasons, including because they may become highly relevant to any court case, but has played the particular recording in question to selected media purely to confirm its bona fides, who have described it as “compelling”.

Investigate confirms it has further extensive information on Benson-Pope and a number of prominent Dunedin people and their partners who have been involved in the sado-masochism ring – some of them with Benson-Pope.

Investigate Online also has independent confirmation of a deliberate campaign by members of the Southern Kinx group to lie to the media – that confirmation has also been caught on tape.

Although websites run by the bondage groups have been either firewalled or shut down since the story went online, Investigate had already collected numerous photos and emails from the “members only” sections of those websites which are relevant to the investigation.

To date, David Benson-Pope has failed to issue any denial of his involvement in sado-masochism. We encourage Benson-Pope to issue a point by point denial of the detailed allegations in the article on Investigate’s website.

Posted by iwishart on November 24, 2006
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November 24, 2006 12:15pm
Take2CupsofFlour

The secret recording stuff does sound bad for DBP.

Still no sign of a denial from him?
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November 24, 2006 8:00pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

Benson-Pope does not deny things, you fool. He refutes them.
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November 24, 2006 8:17pm
Take2CupsofFlour

It will be interesting to see if this issue gets aired in the house this week.

When DBP was absent at the end of last week a couple of Nats were heard asking where panty-boy was.
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November 26, 2006 12:45pm
theardri

Oh come on. I’ve been a member of that group. I know for a fact mr Benson Pope was not a member. How does one PROVE it is members of a close doored group?

No it is garbology at it’s finest. Oh and it’s lies 😉

Plus who cares what a MP likes to do in their off time if it’s LEGAL (and BDSM/D/s IS legal)
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November 29, 2006 9:30am
theardri

Oh come on. I’ve been a member of that group. I know for a fact mr Benson Pope was not a member. How does one PROVE it is members of a close doored group?

No it is garbology at it’s finest. Oh and it’s lies 😉

Plus who cares what a MP likes to do in their off time if it’s LEGAL (and BDSM/D/s IS legal)
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November 29, 2006 9:31am
Jess

Is that you with the pegs on theardi?
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November 29, 2006 10:19am
James

If a persons private sexual matters are his/her own business,and I think it is as long as its consensual,Im not forced to fund it and it doesn’t cause a conflict of interest etc…then therefore does it not follow that all of a persons private consenual activities that meet the above criteria are also no ones elses business ? Such as your income and what you choose to do with it…>

Come on Lefties and Righties.. be consistent
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November 29, 2006 5:27pm
Brown

I would consider DPB a risk to the countries security. It is well known that this sort of behaviour leaves public figures open to blackmail.
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November 29, 2006 10:55pm
Brown

I would consider DPB a risk to the countries security. It is well known that this sort of behaviour leaves public figures open to blackmail.
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