All women to be questioned
July 31st, 2007 at 9:04 am by David FarrarThe sentiments are good, but I really have to question the value judgements behind the decision to ask every woman in hospital aged 16 – 65 if they have ever been beaten up, threatened or sexually abused (or repeatedly criticised!).
If they were to be standard questions for all women with any sort of injury, then that would make sense. But they are going to ask cancer sufferers, women with ingrown toenails, women having their tonsils out etc.
Why stop at hospitals? Why not employ people to visit every home in NZ every six months, to ask the same thing?
Reducing domestic violence and child abuse is a good thing. There is something wrong with those who hurt those they are meant to love. But to start questioning women about such things, when there is not even a skerrick of evidence to suggest they are being abused seems over the top. As I said, if they restricted it to those with any injury (no matter how innocent the explanation) then that would be more sensible targeting.
As an example of how this works, I presume then that if Helen Clark went into hospital to have her appendix out, she would be questioned as to whether her husband beats her up, whether he always criticises her and has she even been asked to do anything sexual she didn’t want to do.
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July 31st, 2007 at 9:14 am
perhaps in answer to the last question Helen Clark may respond ” Yes, have sex.”
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:20 am
Here we go again.
Again we have a policy that assumes that all members of a group are guilty, (in this case men). We had the same with Parents and the repeal of section 59, and dog owners with compulsory microchipping.
Personally, I feel feminism, while a great step forward, must bear some level of responsibilty for issues such as these.
Women have been subjugated for decades, this situation was untenable and the role of women in society had to be redressed. The work of women in the 60′s, 70′s and 80′s to advance the cause of women in society should be praised. We all remember the phrases, girls can do anything etc.
But in all that, we have forgotten that men, particularly young men, have had the traditional roles of their fathers removed, and not replaced. They have become aimless, and we are in part seeing the results.
Young men are seeing older men removed from their lives. They have no role model of what it means to be “a good man”. A woman may say that they don’t need a man, but their sons do.
This step, where all men are to be suspect in maltreatment of their partners, should they go to hospital, is a kneejerk reaction which will only make the problem worse.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:23 am
Eve bites again – is there no end to her appetite?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:30 am
Dave, you answer though silly is scarily close to the truth.
* Have you ever felt controlled or always criticised?
Umm, only all the time, often one person in a relationship is the assertive one who drives matters of the house, leading to the other feeling controlled or excessively critisised; but some people are so damn lazy that they need this level of “support” from their partners.
* Have you been asked to do anything sexual that you didn’t wat to do?
Can anyone who reads this blog honestly say that they have not been pressured for sex or pressured their partner for sex, in an otherwise loving and fulfilling relationship.
And why the sexist approach, I am outright offended, a large chunk of family abuse perpetrated on children is by Women.
This is just stupid policy, its offensive and if you catch a women with bad PMS or even just on a bad day and she ticks the wrong box you will have CYFS stuck in your family life until “they” are satisfied things are alright.
Soon we will need permits to ask each other for intimate contact.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:34 am
The energy is also focused in the wrong place – at the hospital bed. The problem is that this is later than probrably desirable anyway. It would be better at a G.P office. Also the issue is that women will fear of reprisals from thier husbands if they go to the hospitals so they wont get the treatment they need, leading to an exasperation of the problem. Its well meaning in many ways but I have similar reservations to David. This is an issue that needs to be talked about and dealt with, but it is also an issue with no quick fixes.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:35 am
The solution is simple.
These animals have generally racked up 90+ convictions apiece. For a variety of offences.
How difficult would it be to sift (or CYFt) through justice system records and remove such people from the company of children? If these people were in prison where they belong, then they could only harm each other.
Sitting around talking about “what can we possibly do?” while these devils are loose in society is shameful.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:48 am
I’ve been told of girl aged 14 being seperated from her mother so they could ask her if she’d been molested by their fathers.
How this relates to the sprianed wrist I’m not sure.
The mother was told this was part of standard hospital procedure.
They won’t operate on you but they will managed to locate every teenager who is pissed off at her father.
Anyone want to give the stats on who many teenagers that would include?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 am
“Have you been asked to do anything sexual that you didn’t wat to do?” Yes, I have been forced to listen to endless stories of sexual exploits and sexual innuendo, even though I don’t want to hear it.
“Has anybody hurt or threatened you?” Yes, I have had my own personal money stolen from me, repeatedly, without redress.
“Have you ever felt controlled or always criticised?” Yes, I have felt constantly abused for daring to be a high income earner, with my life increasingly subject to oppressive controls over more and more of the choices I want to make.
Empowered by these questions, I am willing to name my abuser: The Labour Government!
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:59 am
“These animals have generally racked up 90+ convictions apiece. For a variety of offences.”
I agree with Colonel Masters. There has been a pattern with the offenders of late. It’s an Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff policy.
Not only that, but this policy is another intrusion into the private lives of New Zealanders, it’s over the top. Next they will be adding the questions to the general census.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:03 am
“Soon we will need permits to ask each other for intimate contact.”
No but perhaps its time to have a permit to have children?
I agree with many of the posts. This BS is just more transparent feminist social engineering hogwash.
Lets target the resources to the profile of the abusers:
- check criminal record, how many other children they have, how many different fathers the children have
- if the want a beneefit they must dob in the fathers
- check father’s criminal record, how many children they have to how many different mothers
If they fit the profiel then come down on them with early intervention to break the cycle of dependency/criminality/violence/abuse especially with education for the children because olnly about 10% of the prison population have SC and above.
Dealing with the parents is harder because we haven;t got in early due to the namby pamby state telling people it is their god given right to drop sprogs all over the country with no responsibility (remmber Mikus? – 9+ kids!). these parents have already been brought up in homes where the cycle is in full operation and have no boundaries, morals or remorse. They are a severe threat to their children, relatives and society.
So we need a long term plan of strict supervison/imprisonment if the put a step out of line/3 strikes and your aout and state handouts contingent on proper social behaviour (exemplary! social behaviour even).
Until we as a country have the guts to tackle this problem full on we are lost.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:03 am
60% of all reported child abuse is committed by maori, 15% of the population (or thereabouts) identify as maori. NZ does not have a child abuse problem any greater than other developed countries if maori are excluded from the stats.
Rather than interrogating sick women I would like to suggest an alternative action plan.
Massive govt media campaign targetted at all of NZ infoming them that Maori are the worst child maimers and killers in the world. Shame all maori, only then will they stop blaming and avoiding and actually get off their butts and fix it.
I am sick to death of being told this is my problem
The phrase “white mans burden” never rang truer when you look at the immense amount of money being wasted on a small group of people that will not stop breeding and then maiming and killing their young.
If you are Maori and reading this think on. What are you doing to stop this happening? Are you happy to be labelled as the worst ethnic group on the planet for beating and killing your young?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:12 am
The weirdest thing is that this only applies to women. So do we assume that men don’t get criticised by women, have never been the victim of unwanted sexual attention, or subject to violence by a woman, etc? The person responsible for this is plain nuts.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:13 am
Doctors and nurses are already overloaded with work and weighed down by the demands of an ever expanding Labour party promoted bureaucracy and they just don’t have time for this kind of politically correct commie bullshit.
This is just one more manifestation of the fact that idiots are running the health system and the country. Billions more dollars being spent, huge increases in manpower, waiting lists still growing. Hopeless.
…and on top of all that, politically correct crap like this bogging the system down. Get all this crap out of the system (including bi-lingual signage, another costly wasteful politically correct arsehole of an idea) and start focusing on Health care.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:18 am
Here we go again with the next installment of Lowest Common Denominator Governance. But fear not!! It’s for our own safety, and the safety of our children, so what complaint can we possibly have. Besides, if you’ve done nothing wrong – you’ve nothing to fear…..
Vote:Just keep an eye on the list of things that are “wrong” as it can change without warning.
G
July 31st, 2007 at 10:19 am
Barnesly on a true continuous ethnicity scale (100% ethnicity) Maori may be a bit over-represented but it would pale by comparison to the real demographic that most of these people fall into.
Firstly it needs to be emphasised that women, often the mothers, have bee comlicit or participated in many of these cases. The real deomgraphic is
- intergenerational crime and violence
- intergenerational welfare dependence
- multiple kids to multiple partners
- birth father long gone
- long criminal record often going back to pre-teen years
- indicating they have been let off and excused numerous times by namby pamby judges, social workers and other feeders at this growth industry’s trough
This is not a Maori thing it is:
1. a criminal thing
2. combined with a large self serving feeding trough with little interest in genuine solutions – judges, social workers, health, social development, kids commission, womens affaris bureacrats all writing discussion documents and spamming their own websites to make it look like there is “public consultation”
I repeat here the post of the breakdown of the prison population in NZ – and remember because of our excusing judges these are the worst of the worst:
Violence and sex offenders make up > 60% of the prison population and 80% of them have more than one prior conviction (see below)
Violence Sex Property Drugs Traffic Misc
36.4% 21.7% 22.2% 8.8% 8.2 % 2.7%
70% if you assume most of the traffic is violence with a car category.
Number of prior sentences of inmates:
0 1-10 11-20 21-200+
21% 24% 14% 41%
Age of first sentence
14-16 17 – 19 20-24 >25
10% 49% 17% 24%
http://www.corrections.govt.nz/public/research/census/
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:20 am
One good place to find abuse is via the education system, I bet the teachers can pick the problem kids out on the first day of school, this will highlight any abuse in the home. even if not perpetrated on the child.
The costs would be small, and teachers want to help. they must see this all day every day and feel helpless. Its all there in place and is an active approach.
‘And why the sexist approach, I am outright offended, a large chunk of family abuse perpetrated on children is by Women.’
thank for your honesty, this is the biggest scandal in our society. look at all the child murders, women enable the violence and some participate. But our media and PTB perpetuate the myth that abuse is a ‘male’ problem. If we have fatherless men who hit women and children where do they learn this behaviour?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:21 am
And men who beat up their wives will now be making sure that no-one calls the ambulance.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:30 am
Lefties love child abuse and domestic violence, it gives them another excuse to intrude further into people’s lives. That is why they push policies that encourage it, (stand back for the avalanche of abuse coming my way).
Thirty five years of trendy middle class, wishy washy liberalism is only starting to bear fruit and there is a lot more to come. The elevation of rights over personal responsibility, the blame culture, a warm fuzzy welfare state, a playschool justice system, dumbed down state education and the deliberate demolition of marriage and sexual morality are only beginning to take their toll.
The chattering classes still have enough moral, intellectual and financial capital to enable them to muddle through but increasing pressure is coming on them with successive generations. The poor however do not generally have such defenses and suffer first and hardest.
Do we really want to do something about these shameful statistics? I do not think so. Much easier to continually beat our chests, call for “more funding” and intrude even further. When things continue to slide we can always beat our chests again. At least it makes us feel better.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 10:37 am
With a Social Welfare department that has been ideologically hijacked and is now as much use as tits on a bull, this is typical of our rudderless Labour government’s thrashing around – blindly searching for any sort of solution.
First they passed DSW’s failings to the power companies, this time its the A&E dept at the hospitals…shifting the “solution” to the problem around and blaming all the bystanders does nothing to solve the problem.
The Labour government is at a loss as to what to do. Their social experiment is failing – spectacularly. Unfortunately Labour’s legacy, the failed results of their unfortunate experiment, will be with us for years – perhaps generations.
Labour must be kicked out next election – they have done enough damage already.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:02 am
Yes, this will solve the domestic violence problem overnight. Its a brave new initiative that is destined to take New Zealand one step closer to a perfect utopian society on earth. Other countries should take note and emulate us, for obviously we are destined to be shining social role models in future years.
Along with cycle helmets, random roadside breath testing, fireworks banning, toothless dog laws (pun intended), water safety initiatives for non swimmers, OSH stepladder rules, sifting through rubbish like Bombay dump dwellers and a myriad of other initiatives, this will undoubtedly finally see the problem licked once and for all.
Congratulations to the person who thought of this. Its truly a master stroke.
I am looking forward to the time when dairy owners will ask a full questionnaire about obesity awareness before selling a newspaper, when cellphone owners are told at random to type ‘fuck me baby’ onto their keybords to measure if their typing speed indicates a vulnerability for sexual predation, when train travellers are asked about their gastric history to weed out the farters. It all makes perfect sense.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:07 am
And where is the Commissioner of Equal Opportunities on this one If (hopefully not) I am admitted to hospital as a pale male and stale I will demand equal treatment I will threaten to complain to the Human rights Commissioner The United Nations et al that I am being discriminated against.
But the question I want to be asked is “Has the Government ever fiscally abused you in the past’
And the answer is YES I have been fiscally abused by successive Governments for the past 35 years. I am deeply truamatised and sever a severe case of OTS Over Taxed Syndrome. It manifests itself with uncontrolled urges to commit axe murder on politicans and the Commissioner iof Inland Revenue. I am only able to control these urges by self medication of the very best quality Marlborough Savuignon Blanc in large quantities
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:12 am
Lefties love child abuse and domestic violence, it gives them another excuse to intrude further into people’s lives.
That’s right. It’s just so much better to leave people to abuse children in private, so they don’t have to be worried about interference while they get on with the daily bash.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:12 am
Andrew W – good post, saves me writing other than to suppoort your comments.
Being a white middle class male, I am starting to feel like an endangered species. My self esteem is being attacked at every quarter. The govt. didn’t trust that I could raise my kids without violence, so it intervened. Now my my daughter and wife will get the 3rd degree should they go to a doctor with a bad cough.
The femi-nazi’s (I love that) really hate those that pee standing up don’t they.
When asked, I am sure my wife & daughter will tell the busy bodies to mind their own freakin’ business. But this is still a ridiculous invasion of privacy.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:31 am
Andrew, you hit the nail squre on the head.
The highest incidence of these occurances would come from those with the highest incidence of state dependance. This is enabled by the DPB, and other handouts that reduce the level of personal responsibilty.
Well, if the State wants to take fiscal responsibilty, maybe the state needs to step up and take responsibilty for the children such policies create? fat chance.
The Community at large needs to take back responsibilty at an individual level. The best step forward can be taken in election year.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:48 am
I thought the anti smacking Bill was going to stop all this. Now this is their big bold new initiative asking Doctors to be police officers. I am getting sick of pointless measures aimed at getting through todays’ headlines. Whatever happened to the “cluster” investigation following on from the Kahui case and all the other half baked measures.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:52 am
I agree that the sentiment behind the idea is good, but on top of all the questions you already get asked when you go to hospital this is just a few more, and completely unnecessary. Medical staff are pretty good at assuming when a women (or child) has been abused and deal with that accordingly.
Furthermore, should I woman present in ED with her partner or friend or other family member being asked such question could easily be interpreted by someone as suggesting that it is happening, rather than just a routine question, like when they ask your name and age.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:54 am
This current Labour-led Government will lead to a great series of PhD’s for post graduate University study in the future.
Can you think of any other period of time, other than say WW2, where so much harm has been done to so many people(in NZ), in such a short time.
The personal responsibility, close family support, peer example thing has been damaged at an astonishing rate.
It was all started by a few people setting about to fix a few “injustices”…..
Started out boldly and quite well.
But incomplete thought, and “unintended consequences”, have created a huge heap of shit that nobody in the present administration has the will or indeed the courage to address.
This will take atleast a generation to fix.
That’s 30 plus years to fix what has emerged so quickly. Heh, I will be long dead and buried, you poor barstards.
It’s not much use expecting the Government to change course overnight, too much momentum, no brakes and defective steering.
Vote:Individual voters will have to recognise the balance between self sufficieny and self worth.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pm
If these sexist fundamentalists (feminists) didn’t define violence in purely sexist terms then they would be asking men if they are the victims of domestic violence also. Typically feminist, they’re too damn dense to be even capable of understanding that women are as likely to perpetrate domestic violence as men.
To feminists, domestic violence isn’t a problem with violent *people* – it’s a problem with *men as a group*.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Perhaps they should hypnotise all the patients to see if they get some “recovered memory” of abuse.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Spot on Dave Mann !
Gave me the best laugh of the day – very funny and yet how sad the truth is !
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Another interesting question is whether oh great ones sympathy will extend to making a special visit to the starship to see the results of her social engineering experiment.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Next thing you know hospitals will also be asking their patients about their medication, diet, allergies and medical history! Where will all this madness end?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Why stop there DM?
Vote:They could also ask what they like to eat, their favourite sexual position, their pet’s gender, and the name of the nag that’s likely to tie for 3rd in the first race at Te Rapa while they’re at it.
In case you dont get it, they questions you list above are what one would expect a hospital staffer to ask. “* Have you ever felt controlled or always criticised?” simply isnt.
G
July 31st, 2007 at 1:36 pm
“Why stop at hospitals? Why not employ people to visit every home in NZ every six months, to ask the same thing?”
Argueably, this was done by Plunket, who used to do home visits on a regular basis until their funding was cut
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pm
The problem of child abuse in this country rests squarely on the shoulders of many in our society, who insist in the belief that “their children are effectively their property”.
We can see this attitude expressed repeatedly in mention of custody battles, and in opposition to the “anti-smacking legislation” – “I’ll discipline “MY” children how I like” for example.
What is very interesting is that when the government tries to suggest a solution, the same people that cry out “PC brigade” when speaking of the Labour-led government, have their own politically correct objections – “stereotyping males”. When it is overwhelmingly true that fathers and husbands are more likely to be the abusers.
I commend the government for actually trying to come up with solutions, however, as has been stated previously, it is tremendously difficult to get abused partners or children to speak about domestic violence due to the fear of further retribution.
My message to women, and I am a man is, don’t get pregnant to losers who will beat you!
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Why doesn’t Helen recruit all the shoe shop salespersonages to interrogate these poor defenceless wimmin?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Anybody else feel like Klarke would be happier if she could just build her very own stasi
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 2:17 pm
bloody sexism
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Danyl – if I am being treated for a broken arm I don’t expect the doctor to ask me about my diet. Likewise if a woman is in to have her tonsils removed, asking her about potential sexual abuse seems somewhat removed from why she is in.
Now if a woman is in for a broken arm, yes doctors should ask about domestic abuse. But not if she is in for breast cancer.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Perhaps now and only now, some of the smart arse, holier than thou, weepy eyed, liberal, bleeding heart, do-gooders might just start to understand why the Australian Government in the 50s and 60s took Aboriginal children away from the hell holes some people called home and had them brought up by non violent families.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Honestly, John F if you can’t see the transparent pathetic politicing and pandering to liberal/feminist voters, and its uselessness then I feel very very sorry for you.
Where is helen clark’s heart? No emotion was shown on breakfast when she condemed this latest atrocity. Not a flicker. Just a dead pan robotic face uttering the words that the public want to hear, but not ranting in fear of getting off side with her limpo voters.
No jumping up and down, and hand wringing like went on for the Muliagis. No working the case to death like the feminists and the 9th floor is still culturing Louise Nicholas like a prize rose, with yet another spurious court case.
No emotion like the rest of us – like the Queen when Dianna died – Oh how irritating for her that this came along.
Has she visted the starship?
“don’t get pregnant to losers who will beat you!”
- the gene pool is limited and you can’t afford to miss the gravy train.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Danyl wrote: “Next thing you know hospitals will also be asking their patients about their medication, diet, allergies and medical history! Where will all this madness end?”
Danyl, have you stopped beating your wife?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 3:19 pm
They forgot one question: Have you smacked your kids?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 3:28 pm
John F, what is overwhelmingly true? If it means true can you produce any evidence that fathers are more likely than mothers to abuse children?
In the majority of high profile cases of serious child abuse and child murder the perpetrator is the mother’s boyfriend or live-in lover.
In this recent case the child’s mother certainly contributed to the child’s abuse. She chose to shack up with a 15 year old boy. He is 17 now but she started the relationship two years ago. She should have been monitoring her daughter. She would have noticed the abuse earlier. I understand there has been gang involvement. If she chose to shack up with a gang member she contributed to the abuse.
There was recently a case where a woman’s P addicted boyfriend murdered Coral Burrows. Her real father’s complains to CYPS were ignored.
If you as a man are a child abuser then accept responsibility for your actions but do not make baseless accusations against fathers in general.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 3:29 pm
John F – FYI straw poll in our office (of 10) this afternoon:
9 had been struck by their mother
3 had been struck by their father
None of the 10 feels they were beaten or abused.
This case is not about “discipline” – these morons were not disciplining this poor wee girl. This was gratuitous torture, it was for their “entertainment”.
This is no doubt the hangover from the deliberate misinformation spouted by Clark and co. during the runup to Sue Bradford’s Anti-Smacking Bill – you cannot interchange smacking/disciplining with beating/torturing.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Danyl – if I am being treated for a broken arm I don’t expect the doctor to ask me about my diet.
I think you’ll find they’ll ask you about your diet, drinking habits, whether or not you smoke or are HIV positive and a raft of other things when you’re filling out your admission form.
Anybody else feel like Klarke would be happier if she could just build her very own stasi
Yes – today asking women admitted to hospital if they’ve been abused, tomorrow the Gulag Archipelago.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 4:14 pm
How about this gem from John F.
“What is very interesting is that when the government tries to suggest a solution, the same people that cry out “PC brigade” when speaking of the Labour-led government, have their own politically correct objections – “stereotyping males”. When it is overwhelmingly true that fathers and husbands are more likely to be the abusers.”
Really John? Why is it acceptable to stereotype men in general but not stereotype Maori?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 4:19 pm
John F – FYI straw poll in our office (of 10) this afternoon:
9 had been struck by their mother
3 had been struck by their father
None of the 10 feels they were beaten or abused.
What better way to study child abuse than to publically ask your co-workers if they were raped by their parents? Have a Marsden grant!
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Papakura Horimia blames the neighbours. I wonder if that was the conscensus that the enquiry he led into the Kahui outrage came to.I agree with others the proposed questions will be largely valueless unless there are corroborative injuries, and a waste of nursing time.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Bring back voluntary organisations. When volunteers deal with social problems they are a nuissance which takes the volunteer away from their families and their leisure time and so there is an incentive to find a real solution. For government departments and quangos these problems are their livelihood!
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 5:04 pm
I think where many have it wrong is that they beleive the fucking lunatics that govern us really want to solve the child abuse problem. What would the control freaks in government want with a population that takes responsibilty for it’s actions, cares for it’s young and is generally law abiding. If society was to get it’s shit together what need would we have for nanny state and the guiding hand of these socialist fucking arseholes!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 5:45 pm
the stunning 3 questions
Vote:Think about it
DID you have sex last night(yes)forced, yes by a bottle of merlot
DID you enjoy the raping MALE arsehole(yes)SCRATCHED MY BACK
Should we arrest this raping WHITE bastard(yes) so the maori can SPIN DRY their kids, before going to collect the DPB,prior to the P purchase
so dont be a white child loving arsehole BE A CHILD KILLING maori(NOT)
July 31st, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Danyl – Hira may not have copped a sweet little number like you, sucking at the public tit but still having all day to blog, but at least try to understand the point being made. Did it touch a nerve for you? John F is trying to blame the NZ child abuse situation on teh opponents of Bradford’s antismaking bill Thats a bit rich, or do you agreee?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 6:03 pm
well said SSB. Exactly the point I was making in my earlier post. I’ll say it again, lefties love child and domestic abuse. Already Bradford is calling for more intervention and “education”. Her words were that the anti smacking bill was just the beginning. Bitch.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Further to redneck’s comments…..
“We’re you forced to have sex or perform sexual acts?”
“Yes”
“Ok collect your ACC cheque on the way out”
“We’re you forced to have sex or perform sexual acts?”
“Yes”
“Ok collect your ACC cheque on the way out”
“We’re you forced to have sex or perform sexual acts?”
Vote:“Yes”
“Ok collect your ACC cheque on the way out”
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July 31st, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Hey, first I couldn’t understand it – these questions woman entering hospital A & E are to be asked – have to watch SHORTLAND STREET to see how that really works, meshing in with “Bleeding from the uterus: BP 160 over 90, MVA:punctured lung I think, and left arm ripped off in impact, and by the way . . .” – what do the questions have to do with actual child abuse? It’s like the answer to dog attacks on children was to micro-chip the dogs – that worked. Like George Bush – nearly all of the 9/11 terrorists are Saudi Arabians, so go and invade Iraq.
Vote:But TV ONE NEWS this evening mentions that the delegation of women, who are going to complain to the UN about conditions in New Zealand, apparently do it tomorrow. So there you go. The feminist agenda that seems to have bugger all to do with child abuse – especially because statistics show women to be involved in it pretty much as males – is just being pushed in here under the guise of being an answer to child abuse. In fact the use of this issue in this way is an extension of the child abuse. Great one Labour, you’re screwing with us again. And if you’re not – scepticism is what you get for your continual lies and deceit. You reap what you so, and you certainly are a bunch of so and soes.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Being a white middle class male, I am starting to feel like an endangered species. My self esteem is being attacked at every quarter.
Don’t worry that is how you are supposed to feel. All this proves is that your sentiments are as maliable as the next white male.
Fortunately for you the evidence doesn’t support your “feelings”. You are still at the top of the food chain and there is not much in danger of that changing.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Even as a card carry member of the vast rightwing conspiracy I find some of the comments here to be a bit off the deep end. Was there some drug fueled blog commenting party that I wasn’t invited to?
In general I agree with DPF – we should be encouraging medical professionals to ask questions about abuse where injuries may be related to abuse. Asking medical professionals to become social workers and ask questions when the illness is clearly not related to abuse is not a good idea. It makes a mockery of the judgement we usually ask medical professionals to exercise.
As I understand it pretty much all govt professionals (medical, education etc) are obliged to report any suspected abuse to the appropriate agency – either CYF or to the Police. I don’t see any evidence that failure of these groups to report suspicions is an aggravating factor – I think they do this reasonably well at present. The people that I think aren’t reporting are neighbours, family, friends etc. That is where effort should be being spent by the govt.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 8:22 pm
We intervene better on animal cruelty than we do for child cruelty.
Not only do the vets and SPCA do a great job but we have all these organisations as well:
Bayvel DA. ALTEX. 2006;23 Suppl:157-60.
The role and evolution of independent government advisory committees: the new zealand experience from 1985 to 2005.
Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, Wellington, New Zealand.
In the New Zealand national animal welfare infrastructure, the National Animal Ethics Advisory Committee (NAEAC), the National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee (NAWAC) and the Australian and New Zealand Council for the Care of Animals in Research and Teaching (ANZCCART) all play important and discrete roles in ensuring that the New Zealand government receives independent, broadly-based advice regarding the use of animals in science, in agriculture and for other purposes. This paper covers the genesis, legal status and management disciplines associated with the New Zealand NAEAC/NAWAC system, including the role of the scientific community, Government and NGOs. PMID: 17492169 [PubMed - in process]
All we have for children is a criminal apologist child commissioner.
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Given that independent statistics (e.g. studies by Otago and Canterbury Universities) show that men are just as likely as women to be victims of domestic violence – and that men are more likely than women to be victims of other violence – why does this policy apply to women only and not to men as well?
Vote:July 31st, 2007 at 11:28 pm
This is going to make the witch hunts of the middle ages seem like a kindergarten picnic!
It will also facilitate the process of false accusations in relationship breakdowns and we all know who the guilty party will be until proven innocent (which is well nigh impossible once the accusation is leveled)
But if you aren’t with ‘em you’re agin’ ‘em – so be very circumspect about arguing against this strategy.
God help us from such lunacy.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 7:06 am
New screening questions in South Auckland clinics are finding that one in every five women has suffered domestic violence in the past year.
Tests in Counties-Manukau have found that 21 per cent of women attending Middlemore Hospital’s adults’ and children’s emergency departments, and 23 per cent of female patients at a Raukura Hauora o Tainui health clinic, answered “yes” to at least one of three questions about recent family violence.
None of 67 women interviewed two to eight weeks after they were asked the family violence questions in Counties-Manukau found them offensive. Many wished they had been asked about family violence earlier.
Family abuse queries reveal one-in-five toll
Vote:New Zealand Herald
1 August 2007
August 1st, 2007 at 7:19 am
This is a radical feminazi government guilty of sexism and the rapid rise in fatherlessness .
The Labour marxist matriarchy has over stepped the mark this time !!
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 8:27 am
Further to Daryl Ward’s post about gender equality in abuse stats, did anyone hear the woman (women’s welfare league or somesuch) on ZB this morning quoting the oft repeated statistic that 90% of domestic violence is violence perpetrated by men on women.
who is right?
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 8:56 am
* Has anybody hurt or threatened you?
* Have you ever felt controlled or always criticised?
* Have you been asked to do anything sexual that you didn’t want to do?
3 little questions. Anyone who has been in any long term relationship would be able to answer in the affirmative to most, if not all of these questions.
Most Men would be able to as well. Have I been hurt in a relationship? Yes. I have had a woman take a swing at me. I have felt marginalised in relationships. I have been cheated on, insulted, dumped, sworn at etc. (admittedly not by my current partner who I love dearly and who loves me in return).
As to being controlled or criticised, What kind of question is that? If one partner does something that was a bit stupid, and we are all capable of that, we can expect to be criticised for it. God knows I get it at home, and I’m sure most men do to a certain point.
I do not set out to control my wife. she does not set out to control me. But in ANY relationship there will be an element of compromise. This is part and parcel of a marriage. I accept that I cannot do everything that I want to, because I am part of something greater.
As to the third question, I have asked my wife for sex when she was not in the mood. So yes, she could answer yes to question 3, however, She politely declines my advances, or feigns a headache. That is the end of the matter.
Given the stats mentioned earlier in this post, at least 75% of men do not beat their wives, yet this questions are to be asked of 100% of women in hospital! This is like questioning all motorbike riders regarding the activities of the Highway 61 gang, or All Maori about the activities of Black Power.
And if 10% of domestic is carried out by women on men, why are these men not to be assisted in this way?
This is a Militant feminist policy and must be challenged by decent people.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 9:30 am
Hi David W:
A lot of the answer to that question depends on how you measure violence and how objective this measure (and indeed the researcher) is. A lot of the controversy centres around the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) used to measure violence and whether the perpetration of violence should be counted or the receipt of violence.
I haven’t got the answers at my fingertips but you may be interested in this series of articles. Although NZMJ is fairly well slanted the liberal side at least it is still a peer review medical journal and hopefully more balanced that sensationalist media.
however, you question does highlight the straw man that the feminists have thrown up – in a response to killing of children the discussion has been totally diverted to partner violence!
You will see in one of those articles that an estimated 1/3 of domestic murders is children. while I dispute the absolute figures a bit I think that ratio is probably about correct.
Giles J (2005) ‘Woman bites dog’–making sense of media and research reports that claim women and men are equally violent. N Z Med J 118: U1731
http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/118-1225/1731/
Goodyear-Smith F (2005) Response to the ‘woman bites dog’ article on domestic violence. N Z Med J 118: U1767
http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/118-1226/1767/
Giles J (2006) ‘Woman bites dog’ article on domestic violence: author’s reply to Dr Goodyear-Smith’s letter. N Z Med J 119: U1813
http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/119-1228/1813/
If you can’t open them, let me know and I’ll email them to you.
Cheers
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:04 am
A hospital is a safe place for a woman to be asked these questions – women can be talked to alone by memebers of a profesion which are very highly trusted, a hospital can provide physical potection from an abuser if need be, as well as any necessary medical care.
Most women questioned in the pilot programme thought the questions were a good idea
Obviously, one can stretch any of these questions to include perfectly normal events that are not abusive, but they are framed broadly to encourage any abuse to come to light – women are not going to be saying ‘he criticised my cooking’ or ‘he wanted some the other night when I didn’t’ – anyone realises those are not the circumstances bieng asked for, grow up.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:08 am
slightyrighty -
if your figures are correct and as many as one in four men hit their partners, then asking 4 women if they have been abused gives a liklihood that one will say yes – uncovering that abuse could then save lives, see a wrongerdoer punished, and lead to a better life for victims -
Asking all women 3 simple questions to start a process that can deliver such dramatic positive results seems pretty worthwhile to me
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:24 am
Asking all women a standard set of questions with yes/no answers is an economic decision. The health system does not have the resources to train and pay staff to recognise possible victims and to respond appropriately. It is far easier and cheaper to give all staff a little pledge card with 3 standard questions and to ask all women those questions – no skill required.
The bureaucrats get statistics to show that they are addressing the problem and the “abuse response” staff get further overworked as every women answers “yes” to at least one of the questions
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:35 am
“women are not going to be saying ‘he criticised my cooking’ or ‘he wanted some the other night when I didn’t’ – anyone realises those are not the circumstances bieng asked for, grow up.”
eeerrr but many christchurch parents walked away with ACC cheques just for sayig their poopsy was interferred with by Peter Ellis. Perhaps women are more honest these days?
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:37 am
Dany wrote:
“New screening questions in South Auckland clinics are finding that one in every five women has suffered domestic violence in the past year”.
No, 1 in 5 women have REPORTED that they suffered domestic violence. A subtle difference that is obviously lost on some.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 11:46 am
Sam.
The point that I am trying to make here, which is the point that a lot of people are missing, is that it is not necessary to put a policy in place that has at it’s heart the assumptions that only men carry out domestic violence and that all men are to be regarded with suspicion in these matters.
It is difficult enough to raise good young men in this society without those in charge promulgating policy such as this.
There are other ways to reach more people than asking these questions of the few women who present at hospital.
As to the stats I have used, they refer to stats posted earlier in this blog.
“Tests in Counties-Manukau have found that 21 per cent of women attending Middlemore Hospital’s adults’ and children’s emergency departments, and 23 per cent of female patients at a Raukura Hauora o Tainui health clinic, answered “yes” to at least one of three questions about recent family violence.”
These results refer to those who went to hospital. What about the wider community?
Personally, I am of the opinion that we need a widespread campaign promoting the type of family we want. Push the positives, give men something to aspire to. We all know that Good Men do not beat their wives. We need to promote the best in men, not highlight the worst.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 1:19 pm
DavidW:
“Who is Right?”, you ask.
My figures are based on scholarly research carried out by the Universities of Otago and Canterbury.
The figures quoted on the radio came from the abuse industry.
Go figure.
Kind regards
Darryl
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Read the ‘Myth of Male Power’ by Warren Farrell for an excellent critique of the myths surrounding violence.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Can you post the references for those studies, Darryl?
Thanks.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Dear Deborah
Here is one reference:
‘Domestic violence and mental health’
Christchurch school of medicine and health sciences
http://www.chmeds.ac.nz/newsevents/media_release/dom_violence.htm
Also worth noting is the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health & Development Study, which found that domestic violence is neither exclusively
nor even predominantly a male problem, but generally takes the form of
low-level brawling involving both men and women.
Do you want any more? There are plenty of them!
Kind regards
Darryl
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 9:58 pm
One other thing that has been forgotten in the discussion is another aspect of the fundamental cause of child poverty and abuse. And that is the lefts decade old fanatical doctrinaire revulsion at the idea that a nice kind middle class couple might adopt a child.
Vote:August 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Thanks, Darryl. As always, it’s great to get empirical evidence. Yes, it would be good to see more. It would be interesting to see if there are any studies on the severity of the violence, and whether there’s a gender difference, and if there’s any empirical research on the impact on children. But there’s a limit to how much it would be polite to post on DPF’s blog!
Cheers, Deborah
Vote:August 2nd, 2007 at 10:12 am
Deborah, I have a word doc with a table of the info I think you are looking for. It probably would not line up to well if I cut and pasted it. I also agree with your point about DPF’s blog. I also have scanned a relevant article by Cathy Young. If you post a hot mail address I will post the items to you. If you prefer you can email me at chuckbirdnz@gmail.com. Let me know if you do as I don’t check my gmail account that often.
Vote:Cheers
Chuck
August 9th, 2007 at 3:23 am
pregnancy…
pregnancy…
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