Sounds like United Future is voting against
December 18th, 2007 at 4:35 pm by David FarrarPeter Dunne is saying the perception it is anti-democratic has become the reality and they no longer think it should be pushed through.
UPDATE: Yes Dunne has confirmed he is voting against.
UPDATE 2: I have very mixed feelings about the sincerity of what Peter Dunne has done. I am glad he has voted against, but at every stage where his vote was actually important he has gone with the Government. He never once protested the 11 month regulated period. He voted against many amendments which would have improved the Bill. I am not sure one vote flipflop at the last possible moment, knowing it will make no difference to the outcome, really means he does not continue to share liability for the law.
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December 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Has announced hUF will not support it.
Has he seen the light or does he really know that he cannot change the outcome but can have two bob each way?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Yep, Awesome.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Full credit to John Boscawen. That’s the sign of a successful disinformation campaign. The perception becomes the reality.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Hide congratulated Dunne.
He also called the bill State Censorship. Interesting.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
He is a self serving weasel and he needs to be tossed out with the rest of them. He knows that changing his mind does not make any difference to anything.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
too little too late. Labour will be pissed as this exposes them. only a few MPs need to cross the floor (gutless wonders on the left will not do so) and the Bill is history.
The poll results must have made him freak out. Will Helen be pissed with him as well? and how much coverage will this get in the media? and what are the numbers now 58 to 63?
What an overwhelming majority for electoral law change.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Labour are so ashamed of this legislation that, not only are almost the entire front bench absent, but everybody else have removed their red “Labour” boxes from the Chamber. They don’t want the TV coverage to pick them up and associate the Labour brand with this bill.
Ha ha! Too late!
So come on Labour, if this is such a great bill, why are you so ashamed of it? Why no Labour imagery on this TV debate?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Jill Pettis is the sort of bitch domestic violence arose to counter….shes mad!
[DPF: James - 20 demerits]
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
I think the Dunny just ensured his defeat. People will see through him quicker than Starship saw through Winston Peters.
Oh Tane, the media and most people are a lot smarter than you and your scurvy Labour mates thought. The reality of Labour’s dirty tricks, thievery and generally skulduggerous behavior is rapidly becoming the widely held perception.
Now you’ve got at least two convicted criminals on your front bench. One who is a piss head and one who is a pub brawler.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Peter Dunne has spent so long fence sitting he just cannot bear to be on one side or the other. It also explains his complete lack of balls.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Guess Peter won’t be receiving one of Helen’s air brushed Xmas Cards this year….
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
James – did you just suggest that domestic violence is a good response to a woman whose opinion you disagree with, or who you otherwise dislike?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
So, just another empty gesture from Dunne. Where’s the news?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
James – that’s pretty offensive. Could you leave it out please. Both the personal attacks and the attempting to justify violence.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Jill Pettis is the sort of bitch domestic violence arose to counter….shes mad!
Yet more Kiwiblog misogyny. James, this kind of shit is just sick.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
The most interesting thing from my point of view is that this makes it much more plausible that National would be able to change this bill when in power. It would have been much less likely if it had only been them and ACT and the Maori party who voted against it. Now it seems more likely that post-2008 election there could be a majority of parties in government who voted against this bill.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
The wind must have blown his cowlick the other way this morning…Most will see this as typical handwringing nonsense by this complete tosser and his half witted assistant.
Neither of them know their own minds, and can’t make a decision to stand by on their own account.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Heh…..bites…..too easy.
Im just saying the mad ranting she engaged in during Rodneys speech deserved a smack in the gob if only to teach her some manners and self control….
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Anyone watching this debate cant possibly think that Labour is winning. Also they seem to be able to say is exclusive bretheran this, big money that, buying the elction. They really have nothing in terms of the actual content of this bill.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Interesting to hear Peter Dunne going through his pontius pilae “hand washing” exercise. Would have been better seeing this hypotite in action.
Pillay, Chairperson of the EFB, referred to the transparency of the Bill and was proud of it.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Hey Tane – don’t tar me with that stuff please.
James – piss off.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Im just saying the mad ranting she engaged in during Rodneys speech deserved a smack in the gob if only to teach her some manners and self control….
James, stop digging. You’re only making it worse.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
I agree with Frank that this is just Peter Dunne doing some Pontius Pilate hand washing.
He’s been a Labour lapdog driving this Bill through all its crucial votes and is just voting against it now as a cynical ploy so that in next years election he can claim that he didn’t support the EFB. National should aim to hold his balls under a torch on this self-serving flip-flop … but I suspect they may want to play the longer game and try to position a coalition deal with UF post the 2008 election.
Peter Dunne’s self-serving man-of-common-sense act really gets on my goat.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
The EFB passed.
Bye Labour.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
What was with Winston Peters challenging Hone over using his laptop to read his speech. What a luddite. He is well beyond his use by date
At least the Greens could have commended him for saving paper
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Milo, you’re one of the better ones. I wasn’t referring to you.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Sorry Peter, too little too late – you had your chance to kill the Bill at the Select Committee stage, and you cast your lot with the government. You stand condemned with them.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Third reading. 63 – 57. Gordon Copeland was not present.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
I think we have just seen in Parliament this afternoon, the next coalition government of NZ in action,opposing the EFB.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Chauvel just spoke of his vision for a Government office that sorts out all these electoral worries and oversees all things political. Its not a new idea of course, they had one in Hitlers Germany called the RSHA. I think Heydrich ran it till he got the chop then Himmler took direct control.
Does Dunnes about face have anything to do with Chauvel standing in Ohariu-Belmont?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Go Hone! I used to think he was a tosser but I sense a new force on the horizon. Hope he can make Helen cry as much as his mum did1
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Tane – thanks.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Cullen now patronising on about sustainability. Well, they sure have electoral sustainability. Maybe.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Too little too late Mr Dunne.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Re Chauvel’s vision
We need a Government office such as that. NO.
There should be a standing Royal Commission which is statutorily independent of Parliament which oversees all changes to election law, until such time as we have clear, guaranteed protection from the likes of this pernicious rabble.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Tane….I’ll take advice from a socialist lying piece of crap like you the same day I ask a pedophile to babysit my kids…..mmmmm?
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Tane:
Would be nice if your righteous indignation was directed at the lefty troll population just once.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Man that Dunne is really some kind of arsehole.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Tane,
why don’t you tell me you’re not Annette King ??
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
hinamanu
After today why would he make himself/herself a public joke and be ready for the s…t to be dished up.
Perhaps he/she should and make our Christmas
On second thoughts he/she is already a public joke so no need to fess up.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
In the wonderful words of Idiot/Savant, “Democracy won, plutocracy lost, eat that.”
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
“Why don’t you tell me you’re not Annette King ?”
Actually, Tane IS Annette King,
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Redbaiter Says:
“Man that Dunne is really some kind of arsehole.”
No RB he is just your standard run of the mill, small mans disease afflicted,
Vote:shortarsehole politician with myopic vision focussed entirely on next years election results (that of course represent his meal ticket for the following three years).
I do however think that he has one redeeming characteristic which was that wonderful description on kiwiblog a while ago of how he could sit on the fence with a foot on either side.
An obvious gymnast whose skill we saw exhibited today in the house.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
“Actually, Tane IS Annette King,”
Nah Tane is much better looking.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Okay Dunny, we’ll make sure you’re only a little bit fired next year.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
“Okay Dunny, we’ll make sure you’re only a little bit fired next year.”
Yea, sack Judy and leave him there alone.
Hang on, it would be better if we could sack him and keep Judy on…
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Look on the bright side people, now that this bill has passed we can consider tomorrow to be the first day in the tenure of the outgoing government.
It is 332 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 18 seconds until Saturday, November 15, 2008
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Ah yes, the old Clayton’s vote.
Vote:Dunne’s mindset: “They’ve still got the numbers if Judy and I pull out, so fuck it. I’ll still be Minister of Fuck All and get to ride in a Crown car. And I got my Xmas card from Helen, so I’m sweet for a long break.”
December 18th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Dunne decided that if he supported this bill his party vote will be pretty low at the next election – an election which he wants to say “I did not support the Electoral FInance bill because it was undemocratic.” Had the NZ Herald not published those two editorials, informing the wider public of this bill, public opinion would not have turned against the bill to the extent that it did, and Dunne and his sidekick Turner would have voted for the bill.
What he should have done was voted on principle against the wording of the bill, not the public perception of it. He should have killed the bill at select committee, of which he was a member. I for one will be reminding him of both until the election – and pointing out to him that if it was good enough to use the “court of public opinion ” excuse to vote against the EFB, to be consistant, he should have done so for the anti-smacking bill as well.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
I think we have John Boscawen to thank for Dunne’s change of heart.
The last minute switch will ensure that the Electoral Finance Act will be gone in 12 months time.
Take a bow that man (Boscawen, not Dunne)
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Why should we be surprised at Dunne’s “common sense” change of mind?
He has changed parties and political allegiances with tedious regularity.
Vote:December 18th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
The worm will turn for Peter Dunne.
His speech was full of admiration for the bill, which luckily for him was not picked up by One News. Others will ensure the good folk of Ohariu get the message.
John Key gave the best speech I’ve seen him make since budget night, and received a standing ovation from not just his own party, but many in the gallery, including Tim Shadbolt.
Hone Harawira was very strong. His best line: “Money talks, but nothing talks quite like the truth.”
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Agree re. mixed feelings although having sent Dunne and the Greens an e-mail saying “last chance to do the right thing” (didn;t bother wiith Winston, baubles, First and Labour) I feel vaguely obligated to give Dunne a grudging tick. Although no doubt he got permission from she who must be obeyed.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 1:55 am
Tane:
Would be nice if your righteous indignation was directed at the lefty troll population just once.
Craig, do you think it’s okay to make jokes about domestic violence? Or are you just too smarmy to give a shit?
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 2:33 am
Since when did Tane have any authority to tell others how to behave? For somebody who wallows quite openly in the sewer that is Labour I find that hilarious.
Dunne pulled out because his “supporters” would kill him in 08 and he has probably had a lot of flak from the Nats who would pull the plug on his career when he comes sniffing around for a coalition partner after the next election.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 4:45 am
James W at 7.45pm said:
“I think we have John Boscawen to thank for Dunne’s change of heart.”
Dunne has not had a change of heart.
Vote:He has cast of vote of expediency.
He voted for the EFB at the select committee where his vote mattered.
At this stage his vote does not matter, the Bill becomes law.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:05 am
Has become law. But yes, this is all political expediency. I’m wondering now if by their long association with other fools politicians begin to believe that the rest of NZ have the same mental capacity that they do? Or did he think nobody would see through his rather transparent gambit?
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 5:06 am
democracymum at 5.06pm said:
“Guess Peter won’t be receiving one of Helen’s air brushed Xmas Cards this year….”
Why not?
Dunne’s loyalty to Labour was essential at the Select Committee level.
He delivered.
The socialist left needs the EFB to limit opposition in election year.
The EFB is now law.
Dunne’s survival is important to Labour.
It costs Labour nothing for Dunne to win the Ohariu-Belmont seat.
But Dunne is an essential number in a Labour-led coalition.
Labour supporters will vote for Dunne in the Electorate, while they Party Vote for Labour.
Gullible voters in Ohariu-Belmont are being suckered.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 7:47 am
“Gullible voters in Ohariu-Belmont are being suckered.”
Well a strong campaign should be mounted against him, starting now.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 7:48 am
GerryandthePM: You’ve summary is exactly right.
Dunne could of “killed the bill” at the SC, but didn’t, in order to assist in the salvage of Labour’s constitutional rort
He then chooses to oppose it in the the 3rd Reading to attempt to resurrect his democratic credentials in the eyes of the voters of Ohariu-Belmont.
He now has a foot on each side of the “electric fence” public odium and is sinking slowly in the “quicksand” of cute duplicity!
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Too little, far too late on Dunnes behalf. The sooner him and Winnie the poodle are gone the better.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Peter Dunne may have changed his vote at the final hurdle, but the gesture is a hollow one. Enough people will see this gesture for what it is and Peter will be scouring the situations vacant ads come Dec ’08.
Kudos to the Maori Party. I never knew what to make of them as a political organisation when they first came to parliament. They harbour a few “radical” elements. Lets be honest, the name of Harawira does tend to raise a few hackles in centerist NZ. Hone’s actions in parliament and outside (such as his aussie walkabout) have not been what some of us are used to but he is a man of principle. I have suprisingly more respect for him than I would have thought and I would doubt I am alone in that. Pita Sharples also has a great deal of Mana. While his comments about the raids in Tuhoe country may have been ill founded by and large both have been tireless workers for their own people.
I would doubt they would be part of a formal coalition with National but I have been suprised before. I would think the Maori Party might find National easier to work with than Labour. The Maori Party do not fight National for the maori seats and might see national as their best chance for a seat at the Cabinet table.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Since when did Tane have any authority to tell others how to behave? For somebody who wallows quite openly in the sewer that is Labour I find that hilarious.
I’m just amazed at the number of people on here who are willing to tolerate that kind of talk about domestic violence. It’s frankly sick, and call it a moral highground if you like but sometimes you need to stand up and point out that it’s not okay.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 10:05 am
I’m just amazed at the number of people on here who are willing to tolerate that kind of talk about domestic violence.
I think you’ll find quite a few people pulled him up on that comment before you decided to join in the gangbang. DPF, BeShakey and milo all told him how offensive his comment was, it doesnt require every damn poster here to second the motion. Your like a wimpy bully jumping in after everyone else has already, but too scared to do so on your own.
Vote:December 19th, 2007 at 11:10 am
Hear hear Bevan, I can just see Tane bouncing up and down o his seat screaming “me too, me too”.
Tane, you’re boring and your party is dead meat. A lot of us find what you regurgitate here as offensive too.
Vote: