A whopper lie from the PM

February 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pm by David Farrar

Helen got all bitter on Tuesday and lashed out at the warm reception John Key got at Waitangi. She went on to say:

“I am waiting for the National Party to vote for a single treaty settlement negotiated by us.”

So has National been voting against all the treaty settlements this decade? Let’s look at the record:

Pouakanui Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2000
Te Uri o Hau Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2002
Ngati Tama Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2003
Ngati Ruanui Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2003
Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi Claims Settlement Act – voted for first and second readings and against third reading in 2005
Ngati Tuwharetoa (Bay of Plenty) Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2005
Ngati Awa Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2005
Te Arawa Lakes Settlement Act – voted against in 2005
Ngati Mutunga Claims Settlement Act – voted for in 2006
Te Roroa Claims Settlement Bill (second reading) – voted against in 2007

Incidentially National initiated and settled 10 claims in the 1990s. Of the ten claims settled since 2000, only the Ngaa Rauru Kiitahi settlement was initiated and settled by Labour. ~~And that was voted for by National~~. So 19/20 settled claims were initiated by National.

So National has voted for ~~eight~~ seven out of ten claims negotiated and settled by Labour. For Clark to claim she is waiting for National to vote for a single settlement is a lie of mammoth proportions.

UPDATE: See correction.

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89 Responses to “A whopper lie from the PM”

Oscars Grouchy Mum (83) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Helen, can you say “liar liar pants on fire”.

Michael, can you say “flip flop, flip flop”
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Does anyone in the MSM bother to check so-called statements of fact from the soon-to-be former PM anymore?
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helmet (803) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
So what, a socialist leader lies?

How the hell did this make breaking news DPF?
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PaulL (5,197) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Heh. That goes well with the last comments on the “not a push poll” thread.

Is this poor research by Labour’s researchers, or is Helen so rattled that she is ad libbing things that she isn’t confident about? Her minders should be making sure she doesn’t get into this situation – it looks bad.

I seem to recall the usual way to do things was for the leader to not do the attack dog thing, instead trying to look Presidential whilst their crew did the attacking for them. Is Labour so short of talent that Helen has to do this herself now? If so, the teflon will wear off very quickly.
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virtualmark (1,355) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I’m with Buggerlugs … when is someone in the MSM going to take a critical look at Helen’s sourpuss statements and then challenge her on them.

I’m afraid the MSM are only capable of regurgitating press releases. They don’t seem capable of any independent research, and they don’t seem to have any balls.
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Captain Crab (351) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Will we see a segment on the six o’clock News called “The Lies and Hypocrisy of Helen Clark and the Labour Party”?
Of course not, an hours not long enough.
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cubit9f (345) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
No the MSM are far too busy making the news rather than investigating and reporting it.

Too busy making sure that Tame Iti is put in the spot light. And that he brings the whole damn family.

Too busy beating up stories about Maori Sovereignty flags flying over Auckland.

Too busy worrying about Heath Ledger (who I hear you say?)

Just not enough time or money to worry about the government. No issues there, time to move on.
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john (478) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
old helen there are really bad hair days comming at you REALLY FAST, pd. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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dime (6,247) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
sad thing is.. the soundbite in tvnz/tv3 news will be helens lie..
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ben (2,366) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
That’s a whopper alright. Good catch.
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george (398) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
This is quite unbelievable. With an opponent prepared to lie so blatantly as this, National needs to establish a US-style war room to respond to all comments by Klark within an hour of them being made. They must be shown to be lies and corrected before they make it into the media.
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
sad thing is.. the soundbite in tvnz/tv3 news will be helens lie..

what? as opposed to “pathological flip-flopper announces more imaginary tax cuts dependent on moon being in seventh house and jupiter aligned with mars” etc?
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
VM – quite funny you should mention that. A group of PR flacks got together last week (with firearms, whisky, and other assorted anti-social stuff) and did a quick run-through of recent releases they had penned on things Governmental.

Of the 45 releases they had collectively put out over not-so-short a period, 41 made the papers almost verbatim.

Sad, really. Horrifying too.
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Lee C (4,499) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
iMAGINE THE OUTRAGE IF kEY HAD MADE A SIMILAR UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENT
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Lee C (4,499) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Does this mean that some politicians are under special scrutiny, and some allowed to make it up as they go along?
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Is this the Standard 2.0? You’ve clearly been fed this by the Nat research unit
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PaulL (5,197) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
ViewAskewNZ: clearly? I suspect you’ll find that DPF can run a query on some parliamentary website pretty quickly. Are you projecting your level of talent onto DPF?
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
ViewAskewNZ – prove it, you dropkick in search of a boot.
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john (478) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
opps every one , our leader lies casually, the result of a uni education.never worked , a life out of a leftist textbook?????
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Kimble (3,696) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
ViewAskewNZ, the Standard isn’t even the Standard 1.0.
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Adolf Fiinkensein (2,447) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I’ll be interested to see how quickly the Northern Advocate, Maori TV, Watea news and other Maori media get on to this and give it a bit of exposure. Not for nothing was John Key chatting to Hone Harawira at Waitangi. It’ll be ‘Hey Hone, you scratch my back on this one and I’ll do the same for you when you need a hand.’

I can’t believe that Clark could be so stupid.
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side show bob (3,660) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
David do you fear for your safety ? I doubt you are on Dear Leaders Christmas card list now. Please don’t disappear into the night never to be seen again or it could get even worst the state might send around the auditors from the beloved IRD.
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The Double Standard (72) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Remarkable double standard from Helen Clark. Sadly unsurprising though.
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pdm (841) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Apart from the inane comment by VArseNZ, or whatever he calls himself, the lefties seem to have disappeared on this one.

Embarrassed perhaps.
Shamed perhaps.
Given up on Clark perhaps.
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Tauhei Notts (1,259) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
It is because of the terrible service provided by the main stream media, that I spend so much time on this site.
DPF, kindly keep up the good work.
Actually, I do not believe that the moll lied. She made an outrageous statement, but it would be wrong to label it a lie.
And with such piss poor M.S.M. she will continue to make outrageous statements and the only prople who will be aware of it will be readers of this site.
That is sad.
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The Double Standard (72) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
VNZ – Another lame attempt. Typical standard poodle behaviour to believe that no one outside a mythical research unit cannot use the internet tools available to research politicians voting records these days.

Here’s a starter for you to try: http://www.parliament.govt.nz
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Lee C (4,499) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Tauhei – It is because of the terrible service provided by the main stream media, that I spend so much time on this site.
DPF, kindly keep up the good work.

hear hear
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Rex Widerstrom (4,965) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I can only echo other commenters’ disbelief that that MSM let this stuff slide past unchallenged and unexamined.

Of course that could have a lot to do with the fact that most of them haven’t been in the job long enough to remember Doug Graham, let alone who voted for what all of seven years ago.

At the risk of enraging some of the purists who comment here, however, the reason for this is the failure of the free market. The media has a ready supply of wide-eyed graduates who think that a reporter’s job is either a ticket to television autocue-reading stardom or a well-paid sinecure in a government department or Minister’s office.

And all too often, it is. Thus by the time they’ve developed any news judgement at all, they’re no longer reporting the news but, as cubit9f says, busy making it.

I learned the trade at the feet of cynical gnarled old hacks who taught me to question everything. My generation could have passed that skill, and others, onto the next. But when the media are offering a pittance for senior roles, why on earth would anyone stay?

There’s an entire generation of reporters missing from newsrooms in NZ and unless the media raise salaries to keep the present juniors (or at least the half-decent ones) locked into reportage as a career, things will never improve.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
The research unit spend all day working on this sort of information and it just seems a tad unlikely that the busiest man in NZ has time (or inclination) to do such research when he would know full well that the Nat Research Unit will have been working on this from the moment she said it.

The research unit would have then asked themselves – what’s the quickest way to get this out? And amazingly it appears on here. Anyway back to your echo-chamber lads.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
The NRU spend all day working on this sort of information and it just seems a tad unlikely that the busiest man in NZ has time (or inclination) to do such research when he would know full well that the Nat Research Unit will have been working on this from the moment she said it.

The research unit would have then asked themselves – what’s the quickest way to get this out? And amazingly it appears on here. Anyway back to your echo-chamber lads.
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Billy (121) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Good one ViewAskewNZ. The PM puts lies her head off, and it’s DPF’s fault for pointing it out. Tell you what, pretend DPF didn’t point it out. Pretend Chris Trotter did. Now, care to comment on the fact that she’s so out of ideas that she’s just lying?
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
interesting how adolf is still clinging to his national/maori party ‘dream’..

you are being ‘played’..adolf..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Inventory2 (8,808) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Going, going, gone – three words to describe the PM tonight. What’s more, she’s turned the spotlight away from Labour’s tax cuts, tunnells,and right onto her own inadequacies. Helen Clark is toast!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/02/helen-tells-porkies.html
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
the maori party..the greens..and labour..

will be the makeup of the next government of new zealand..

we can all expect you nattys to get nastier and nastier..

as that realisation/reality sinks in..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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boomtownprat (281) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
VAZ you numpty,

“all day working”

fuck even a lefty troll could find these facts out in 5 mins with a laptop and a connection.

Fact is, there is another addition to Clark’s compendium of half truths, deception and outright lies….its a pretty heavy edition.
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helmet (803) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Sheesh Phil, how was that on topic?
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boomtownprat (281) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
phil……

remember “last cab of the rank”….eh

remember…….”wreckers and haters”…….eh?

remember that bit of………..legislation……..eh?

Tariana………eh?

Or don’t you remember much………….?……………….Eh?
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
it was on topic because adolf

floated his maori party/mational delusional balloon again..

that’s why..

ansd it needed pricking..

phil(whioar.co.nz)
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Adolf Fiinkensein (2,447) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
The only prick around here is the dipshit who watches but can’t see what is happening, right before his eyes.
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
you’re being a tad harsh on yourself there..adolf..

(cf..yr global/economic meltdown ‘denial’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Grant (344) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Slightly on topic, I haven’t noticed too many leftist commentators remarking on Fran O’Sullivan’s revelation re Clark and co beggaring our economy prior to losing the 1990 election. Remember guys, how she blamed the current outbreak of lawlessness on the 1991 mother of all budgets? And remember how FOS explained the need for the budget? A comment would be nice please chaps… Phil, View, RN,……
Another vacuous statement from Clark designed to be taken at face value by the masses.
G
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Pascal (2,015) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
What is an individual’s legal rights should somebody lie in such a fashion about them? I’ve never looked into this sort of thing, so I’m curious. If the statement has a malicious intent, with the truth obviously known and can be shown to harm someone – what can happen?
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Inventory2 (8,808) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Grant said “Slightly on topic, I haven’t noticed too many leftist commentators remarking on Fran O’Sullivan’s revelation re Clark and co beggaring our economy prior to losing the 1990 election. Remember guys, how she blamed the current outbreak of lawlessness on the 1991 mother of all budgets? And remember how FOS explained the need for the budget? A comment would be nice please chaps… Phil, View, RN,……”

Apologies to DPF for blatant link-whoring, but the list of culprits is here for all to see, and I will remind anyone who needs reminding any time they need reminding!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/02/hollow-woman.html

DPR – while I apologise for the link-whoring, I make no apologies for the spirit of public interest which leads me to abuse your hospitality!!!
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Captain Crab (351) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
PhilU ,
you are in denial. Clinging to the faint hope of a troika whereas the Greens, biggest hypocrites of them all, are the democracy deniers. And now they are fiddling the list to get your leader Norman, into parliament.
You must be so…….embarrassed. But hey, theyve kicked you out so what do you care? No more BBQ invites eh…?

No comment about Clarks lies either. I guess you must be getting used to lies from Green HQ by now.Standard proceedure from the left when in danger of losing. Now run along back to frog blog and tell them how you are “kicking righties over”. Riiiight.
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francis (711) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I’m waiting with bated breath for the explanation in which she explains, irritated, what she MEANT to say.
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Ross Miller (1,539) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I am just sad that the leader of my country is revealed once again as a proven liar.
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Gee, VeryAskewNutbar, and what does the Labour Party unit do all day? Get a life, you sad troll.

PS I’ve worked out PhuckU’s typing problem – he’s using a Commodore 64 with an 8″ screen…
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natural party of govt (461) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Probably it was the excitement of the new record low in unemployment released today that went to her head.

Excellent news from the Labour Government.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Exactly the same thing duh – that’s my point. You lot got all up in arms when the links between Labour and the Standard were exposed – this is no different and you know it.

I love the witty plays on my name too. Did everyone see what he did there? He took my web nickname and made it hilariously funny. So clever, your brilliant comedy mind is wasted here, I mean how did you possibly come up with something so witty and only in roughly an hour? Im in awe – no really.
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Barnsley Bill (855) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
He got the research unit to think it up?
why can’t the red team ever answer a direct question. It is always Deny X 3 and then when that fails desperately try to distract everybody .
What we are seeing is Clark failing when asked things off the cuff. This never used to happen.
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Oh no, VANZ, let’s get back to the topic. Helen Clark told porkies. You immediately attacked the owner of this blog. You seem to have a poorly-utilised talent for trying to divert attention away from anything that might be nasty to the aforementioned porkie-teller.

How about you discuss Helen’s porkies? Or is that not on the talking points?
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
ViewAskewNZ

Exactly the same thing duh – that’s my point. You lot got all up in arms when the links between Labour and the Standard were exposed – this is no different and you know it.

You really are trying very hard and it’s good to see. But you miss a few vital point in your attempt to distract the thread.

1. Irrespective of who told DPF that the PM told a fat porkie – she told a fat porkie. If he remembered it or if somebody from the National party research unit told him that she had no frigin clue what she was talking about it makes no difference. She got it wrong – either because she was telling lies trying to smear National or because she’s got no idea what she is talking about.

2. DPF has this page: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Something that is clearlt missing from the standard.

3. DPF has never denied his involvement with Labour – the same cannot be said for the standard who still don’t disclose their links with unions and the Labour party.

All in all – you have shown yourself to be a complete twat. Go back to crying into your PSA publication about how pathetic the Labour party has become.
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
ooops

3. DPF has never denied his involvement with National.
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Burt -
VA seems to have the same doofus operandi as one woger nome. Make threadjacking statements, get a kicking, then disappear.

Kerrist, why can’t they just stick to one moniker?
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
LOL exactly which bit of your witty banter was on topic? Was it the very clever “VeryAskewNutbar” or was it that other piece of genius – “Get a life, you sad troll”??

I’m not going to apologise for Clark’s failings, but she’s not the first PM to lie in their last year (Who was it that “made it up” during a Linda Clark interview?) and I doubt she will be the last. But its obvious that there are some similarities between this blog and the Standard- thats what I was pointing out.
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Buggerlugs

VA is one of the dim-bulbs who thinks that denigrating the person who tells us the truth about another persons lies will make us forget that the other person has told lies. Foolish – childish – and a waste of space.
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
inventory..did you want me..?

or phil-the-inferior..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
ViewAskewNZ

I’m not going to apologise for Clark’s failings, but she’s not the first PM to lie in their last year

You are a Labour supporter aren’t you? It’s obvious from your “they did it too” justification.

I teach my kids that when they are caught doing something they have been told not to do that pointing at their brother/sister and shouting “they did it too” is not going to change anything.

You should try the “other also did it” defense next time you are caught speeding – see how far it gets you.
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MarkS (78) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Hmmm, I seem to recall hearing on National Radio (I think) that Helen Clark’s comment was about settlements <b>started</b> by Labour (not just negotiated). Perhaps NZ Herald got the words slightly wrong? It would make a difference, perhaps, to whether she is telling the truth. Of course, it would be conveniently ignoring a large number of settlements that National started and then went on to vote for, and reducing the equation to a very small number of settlements achieved in their entirety by Labour in their past 8 years in office (as previously pointed out by DPF).

[DPF: Only one settlement started by Labour has been passed, and National voted for it]
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Bullshit you were pointing anything out. You were shit stirring. Go one better than Helen and admint it, woger.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I never said I was – you assumed I was since i criticised the obvious sources of the blogfathers material – that doesnt mean im defending Clark for lying.
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boomtownprat (281) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
VAwotsit

said….”But its obvious that there are some similarities between this blog and the Standard- thats what I was pointing out.”

Answer: Yes there are some similarites. They are blogs, partisan etc.

But

One lied about their hollow covert political funding from the Labour party machine

The other is open and transparent

ironic in it?.
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
MarkS

Helen is free to publish a correction if she was wrong and she is free to ask the Herald to be more accurate if what you say is correct and not some fabrication to try and hide the fact that the Helen is in a flap and loosing it.
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
ViewAskewNZ

you assumed I was since i criticised the obvious sources of the blogfathers material

The source of his material is immaterial to the facts behind it. If I had pointed it out to you it wouldn’t change the substance of the matter any more than if the standard had pointed it out. DPF has a disclosure statement on this blog – I pasted the link in before for you. Read the disclosure and then go have a look at the sub standard and see how close a resemblance to it you can find.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
The similarity isnt so much that they’re partisan – its that they’re being fed lines.

But anyway you guys keep convincing yourself that theres a difference between Labour and National…
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Grant (344) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
“But its obvious that there are some similarities between this blog and the Standard- thats what I was pointing out.”
Bollocks.
Apart from the fact that both blogs are written in English, there is very little similarity between the two.
DPF makes no bones about where his sympathys lie and neither do most of the commentators, but the reason I read this blog rather than that one, apart from my own political preferences, is that I know WHO he is and this gives the whole site a sense of reality totally missing from the VDS. I have even called him using information supplied here, but I dont notice Tane’s cellphone number on that site. Mmmm perhaps I’ll chat to Bill… nope, no contact info… no one called “I. Bill” in the phone book. Wonder who they can be?
Get the drift….
G
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MarkS (78) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
OK, couldn’t find anything on National Radio. I did find the following quote from HC as reported on http://www.nit.com.au:

“We’ve gone through eight years in government with treaty settlement legislation coming to Parliament.

“I’m scratching to think of a single case where the National Party actually voted for such settlement legislation.”

http://www.nit.com.au/breakingNews/story.aspx?id=13862

She’s probably uttered similar words a number of times in the last couple of days. I expect that the MSM will pick up on this shortly (they appear to spend a fair amount of time “researching” by reading kiwiblog). And of course I doubt National will let it lie.
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virtualmark (1,355) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
philu

you may be right! might it be labour, maori and the flakey greens ..?

but perhaps more likely is that the greens just aren’t there ..?

that not enough people value their contribution ..?

for me, i think that’s much more likely!

how about it, jeanette, russell, sue, metiria … all with much more time on their hands ..?

and with national in power, courtesy of 4.5% of the votes not counting for anything!

phoar!!!!!!!!!

or should that be phhhhhhttttttt (as the air leaves the green balloon)
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
ViewAskewNZ

But anyway you guys keep convincing yourself that theres a difference between Labour and National…

So when did it jump from kiwiblog being the same as the standard to Labour being the same as National?

You can say: OK I got it wrong – the disclosure statement on DPF’s blog is something I hadn’t seen…..

You don’t need to keep digging yourself in deeper.
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virtualmark (1,355) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Seriously though phil … I expect the Greens are going to really struggle to get over the 5% threshold.

You only just got there at the last election, but this time round you’ve lost Rob Donald (a huge loss) and Nandor (who brings his own unique voter base). I just don’t see Russell Norman being the same voter drawcard, he’s far too divisive and argumentative.

I think falling short of 5% is much more likely than finding the Greens in power alongside Labour and the Maori.
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Burt its the same point – the blogs operate in the same manner, and the old parties do too.

The disclosure statement doesn’t go into too much detail on being fed lines from a Parliamentary research unit. Funny that eh.
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greenjacket (173) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I just cannot believe that Audrey Young has bought such an obvious and outrageously barefaced lie. For the past eight years, despite pleas from Maori, Helen Clark has allowed the settlements process to grind to a halt. And now Clark comes out with crap like this.

I look forwards to Audrey Young writing on why she apparently bought such an absurd lie!
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
ViewAskewNZ

I think you are now making a valid point. You could have spared yourself and others of lot of noise posts if you had just initially expressed yourself as clearly as you just have.

Denigrating the blog author on a thread of factual, recent and topical information for being a partisan puppet isn’t the best way to get people to listen to you. You could have picked a different thread and perhaps had a better response.
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Kimble (3,696) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“The disclosure statement doesn’t go into too much detail on being fed lines from a Parliamentary research unit. Funny that eh.”

What is funny is that you imagine something then get all pissy when the fact is pointed out to you.

I dont see much on Rodney Hides blog about him being a socialist. Which is odd because he is one. In fact, not saying he is a socialist proves that he is.
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Jesus Crux (123) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
# ViewAskewNZ Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

The NRU spend all day working on this sort of information and it just seems a tad unlikely that the busiest man in NZ has time (or inclination) to do such research when he would know full well that the Nat Research Unit will have been working on this from the moment she said it.

The research unit would have then asked themselves – what’s the quickest way to get this out? And amazingly it appears on here. Anyway back to your echo-chamber lads.

Hey fucktard, what’s your point?
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The Double Standard (72) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
It’s pretty funny that the standardistas reckon I’m fed lines by a research unit for doing much the same stuff in comments there. It’s a pretty lame approach vanz if that’s the best that you can up with in response.

Any comment on Helen’s blatant lie? Or are you working on greater things?
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philu (13,393) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
um..!..his name was rod donald..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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ViewAskewNZ (14) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
“Hey f**ktard, what’s your point?” Lol Is that biblical Jesus?

Double Standard and Jesus – read the other comments and you might well work out my ‘point’.
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Buggerlugs (1,609) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Do try and keep up, Philip. We’re talking about the PM telling lies.
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burt (5,933) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
ViewAskewNZ

The only valid point you have made is that kiwiblog and the standard are partisan and so are the National and Labour parties. Apart from that you’ve made a f-ing mess of this thread. Put a tick in the [Did disrupt effective transfer of unwanted publicity] box and sign off – your blog duty shift is complete.
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thehawkreturns (162) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I thought the Settlements were in 1944.

When are these ones going to need to be renegotiated?

Can someone stop this madness?
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Right of way is Way of Right (1,043) Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Hmm, making statement of cuff that can, or cannot, be verified?

Methinks Dear Leader might be losing her grip!
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GK (95) Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am
A great silence from the PM and Labour on this one.

But…behind the scenes it must be like a barrel full of stoats, frantic activity, fighting and stench.

Time they went.
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Right of way is Way of Right (1,043) Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I think the Tangata Whenua might be realising that as far as fair treatment goes, Labour may have sold them a seriously over-rated bunch of policies.

Doug Graham can certainly hold his head up a lot higher than Parekura Horomia! And it appears that Maori have certainly woken up to the fact that Labour has bought thier votes rather cheaply! This has made the Maori party quite a key political force come the next election. Now if only they can get Tariana Turia to keep quiet for a while!
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PhilBest (5,060) Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
And the MSM response so far has been…………?
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Tauhei Notts (1,259) Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Right of Way suggests that the tangata whenua may now think that Labour have sold them over rated policies.
There is somebody in the Labour Party who obviously thinks that tangata whenua is a Maori lesbeian.
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PhilBest (5,060) Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
WEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL SAAAAAIIIIID, Tauhei Notts.
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Jesus Crux (123) Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Lol Is that biblical Jesus?

Double Standard and Jesus – read the other comments and you might well work out my ‘point’.

Yes it is Biblical, why do you ask? I did read your other comments – they were absolutely pointless, you just came in here and took a shit in public.
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iiq374 (262) Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 9:29 am
I would think National would have a pretty good case against Helen for defamation over that one – given that she slipped up and made the statement outside Parliament unlike Cullen is normally careful to do…
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